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 DEPARTMENTS OF VETERANS AFFAIRS AND HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT AND 
        INDEPENDENT AGENCIES APPROPRIATIONS FOR FISCAL YEAR 1998

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                                HEARINGS

                                before a

                          SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE

            COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS UNITED STATES SENATE

                       ONE HUNDRED FIFTH CONGRESS

                             FIRST SESSION

                                   on

                           H.R. 2158/S. 1034

 AN ACT MAKING APPROPRIATIONS FOR THE DEPARTMENTS OF VETERANS AFFAIRS 
AND HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT, AND FOR SUNDRY INDEPENDENT AGENCIES, 
  BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, CORPORATIONS, AND OFFICES FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 
           ENDING SEPTEMBER 30, 1998, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES

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        American Battle Monuments Commission
      Consumer Product Safety Commission
      Corporation for National and Community Service
      Department of Defense--Civil
      Department of Health and Human Services
      Department of Housing and Urban Development
      Department of the Treasury
      Department of Veterans Affairs
        
      Environmental Protection Agency
      Executive Office of the President
      Federal Emergency Management Agency
      General Services Administration
      National Aeronautics and Space Administration
      National Credit Union Administration
      National Science Foundation
      Nondepartmental witnesses
      Selective Service System
      U.S. Court of Veterans Appeals

                                     
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                      COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS

                     TED STEVENS, Alaska, Chairman
THAD COCHRAN, Mississippi            ROBERT C. BYRD, West Virginia
ARLEN SPECTER, Pennsylvania          DANIEL K. INOUYE, Hawaii
PETE V. DOMENICI, New Mexico         ERNEST F. HOLLINGS, South Carolina
CHRISTOPHER S. BOND, Missouri        PATRICK J. LEAHY, Vermont
SLADE GORTON, Washington             DALE BUMPERS, Arkansas
MITCH McCONNELL, Kentucky            FRANK R. LAUTENBERG, New Jersey
CONRAD BURNS, Montana                TOM HARKIN, Iowa
RICHARD C. SHELBY, Alabama           BARBARA A. MIKULSKI, Maryland
JUDD GREGG, New Hampshire            HARRY REID, Nevada
ROBERT F. BENNETT, Utah              HERB KOHL, Wisconsin
BEN NIGHTHORSE CAMPBELL, Colorado    PATTY MURRAY, Washington
LARRY CRAIG, Idaho                   BYRON DORGAN, North Dakota
LAUCH FAIRCLOTH, North Carolina      BARBARA BOXER, California
KAY BAILEY HUTCHISON, Texas
                   Steven J. Cortese, Staff Director
                 Lisa Sutherland, Deputy Staff Director
               James H. English, Minority Staff Director
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           Subcommittee on VA, HUD, and Independent Agencies

                CHRISTOPHER S. BOND, Missouri, Chairman
CONRAD BURNS, Montana                BARBARA A. MIKULSKI, Maryland
TED STEVENS, Alaska                  PATRICK J. LEAHY, Vermont
RICHARD C. SHELBY, Alabama           FRANK R. LAUTENBERG, New Jersey
BEN NIGHTHORSE CAMPBELL, Colorado    TOM HARKIN, Iowa
LARRY CRAIG, Idaho                   BARBARA BOXER, California
                                     ROBERT C. BYRD, West Virginia
                                       (ex officio)

                   Jon Kamarck, Clerk to Subcommittee
                          Carolyn E. Apostolou

                             Minority Staff
                            Sally Chadbourne




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                      Thursday, February 25, 1997

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Executive Office of the President: Council on Environmental 
  Quality and Office of Environmental Quality....................     1
Department of the Treasury: Community Development Financial 
  Institution....................................................    27
National Credit Union Administration.............................    63

                         Tuesday, March 4, 1997

Corporation for National and Community Service...................    81
U.S. Court of Veterans Appeals...................................   109
American Battle Monuments Commission.............................   121
Department of Defense--Civil: Cemeterial Expenses, Army..........   139
Selective Service System.........................................   145

                        Tuesday, March 11, 1997

Consumer Product Safety Commission...............................   155
General Services Administration: Consumer Information Center.....   165
Department of Health and Human Services: Office of Consumer 
  Affairs........................................................   169

                        Tuesday, March 18, 1997

Federal Emergency Management Agency..............................   193

                         Tuesday, April 8, 1997

Environmental Protection Agency..................................   247

                        Tuesday, April 22, 1997

Executive Office of the President: Office of Science and 
  Technology Policy..............................................   433
National Science Foundation......................................   457

                         Thursday, May 1, 1997

Department of Veterans Affairs: Office of the Secretary..........   511

                          Tuesday, May 6, 1997

National Aeronautics and Space Administration....................   601

                         Tuesday, May 13, 1997

Department of Housing and Urban Development......................   665
Nondepartmental witnesses........................................   723
    Department of Veterans Affairs...............................   723
    Department of Housing and Urban Development..................   732
    Environmental Protection Agency..............................   830
    Federal Emergency Management Agency..........................   889
    National Aeronautics and Space Administration................   896
    National Science Foundation..................................   909
    Miscellaneous................................................   923




 DEPARTMENTS OF VETERANS AFFAIRS AND HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT AND 
        INDEPENDENT AGENCIES APPROPRIATIONS FOR FISCAL YEAR 1998

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                      THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 25, 1997

                                       U.S. Senate,
           Subcommittee of the Committee on Appropriations,
                                                    Washington, DC.
    The subcommittee met at 9:38 a.m., in room SD-192, Dirksen 
Senate Office Building, Hon. Christopher S. Bond (chairman) 
presiding.
    Present: Senators Bond, Burns, Stevens, Bennett, Mikulski, 
and Lautenberg.

                   EXECUTIVE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT

  Council on Environmental Quality and Office of Environmental Quality

STATEMENT OF KATHLEEN MC GINTY, CHAIR

                OPENING STATEMENT OF CHRISTOPHER S. BOND

    Senator Bond. Good morning, and welcome to the VA, HUD, and 
Independent Agencies Subcommittee meeting. We will come to 
order.
    My apologies. I have spent the better part of the morning 
stuck in traffic. If this were the D.C. appropriations 
subcommittee, I would have questions on the construction 
schedule. But all I can do now is apologize to the witnesses, 
guests, and fellow members.
    This is the subcommittee's first hearing on the fiscal year 
1998 budget. I welcome the new members of the subcommittee, and 
I look forward to working with our ranking member, Senator 
Mikulski, and she probably has a story about traffic on the 
Baltimore-Washington Parkway which will exceed my story.
    I welcome our witnesses and guests.
    We will face another year of very difficult budget 
decisions as Congress continues to focus on its priorities and 
seeks to balance a budget by the year 2002. I must emphasize 
the need to continue to be proactive in consolidating and 
reforming our many Federal programs, including many under the 
jurisdiction of this subcommittee. There was much to be done 
over the last several years, but there is a lot of work still 
to be done.
    In particular, after 4 years of sharp decline, the Federal 
deficit is likely to begin to increase again, so that by 2010, 
when some of us, past baby boom and baby boomers, begin to 
retire, the deficit is going to skyrocket unless Congress makes 
meaningful policy and spending changes. It took us more than 
200 years to acquire our first trillion dollars of debt. We are 
now increasing our outstanding debt by $1 trillion about every 
5 years. This is a mortgage on America's future that is going 
to be difficult to sustain.
    I note, with interest and some concern, the President's 
budget proposes some $92 billion in budget authority for the 
departments and agencies under the VA, HUD, and Independent 
Agencies Appropriations Subcommittee jurisdiction, of which $72 
billion is discretionary spending. I would note that this 
amount represents a proposed increase of approximately $8 
billion over the current level. As I understand it, there are 
discussions underway between leaders, the Congress, the White 
House, and OMB about reaching a budget agreement. We have some 
very important spending priorities to meet in this 
subcommittee, and I will fight to assure that all of our 
programs are adequately funded, but I would have to say that 
unless some agreement is reached that is a very ambitious goal 
for our 602(b) allocation.

                           prepared statement

    This morning we will hear testimony from four of the 
independent agencies under the subcommittee's jurisdiction, 
Council on Environmental Quality, the National Credit Union 
Administration, the Neighborhood Reinvestment Corporation, and 
the community development and financial institutions fund. 
While programs covered by today's hearings are small relative 
to others in the subcommittee's portfolio, they are very 
important programs and activities that impact millions of 
Americans.
    [The statement follows:]

                   Prepared Statement of Senator Bond

    The VA, HUD and Independent Agencies Appropriations Subcommittee 
hearing will come to order. This is the Subcommittee's first hearing on 
the fiscal year 1998 budget. I welcome the new Members to the 
Subcommittee, and, as always, I look forward to working closely with 
our Ranking Member, Senator Mikulski. I also welcome our witnesses and 
guests this morning.
    The Appropriations Committee and the VA/HUD Appropriations 
Subcommittee will face another year of very difficult budget decisions 
as the Congress continues to refocus its priorities and seek to balance 
the federal budget by the year 2002. I cannot emphasize enough the need 
to continue to be proactive in consolidating and reforming our many 
federal programs, including many under this subcommittee. We have done 
much over the last several years, but there is still a lot of work to 
be done.
    In particular, after four years of sharp decline, the federal 
deficit is likely to begin to increase again so that by 2010, when the 
babyboomers begin to retire, the deficit will skyrocket unless the 
Congress makes meaningful policy changes. While it took us more than 
200 years to acquire our first trillion dollars of debt, we are now 
increasing our outstanding debt by a trillion dollars every 5 years, 
with the total national debt now standing at some $5.3 trillion. This 
means that every man, woman, and child in our Nation has an individual 
debt of almost $20,000. This is the mortgage on America's future that 
we must begin to pay off now.
    In particular, I am concerned that the President's budget proposes 
some $92 billion in budget authority for the departments and agencies 
under the VA, HUD and Independent Agencies Subcommittee, of which $72 
billion is discretionary spending. The amount proposed represents an 
increase of approximately $8 billion over the current level. And I must 
tell you, absent some very compelling reasons, it is going to be very 
difficult for this subcommittee to provide any increases over our 1997 
budget levels.
    This morning we take testimony from 4 of the independent agencies 
under the subcommittee's jurisdiction: the Council on Environmental 
Quality, the National Credit Union Administration, the Neighborhood 
Reinvestment Corporation and the Community Development Financial 
Institutions fund. While the programs covered by today's hearing are 
small relative to others under the subcommittee's portfolio, they are 
important programs and activities that impact millions of Americans.
                                panel i
    We will hear first from Ms. Kathleen McGinty, Chair of the Council 
on Environmental Policy or CEQ, which is responsible for coordinating 
federal policy on environmental issues as well as primary 
responsibility for implementation of the National Environmental Policy 
Act (NEPA).
    The Administration is requesting a budget for CEQ for fiscal year 
1998 of $3.02 million and 23 Full-Time equivalent employees. This 
Budget Request represents an increase for CEQ of $584,000, a 24 percent 
increase over the fiscal year 1997 Appropriation and an increase of 4 
FTE's.
    I look forward to your testimony this morning.
                                panel ii
    The second panel consists of Mr. John Hawke, Jr., the Under 
Secretary for Domestic Finance for the Department of the Treasury, and 
Ms. Kirsten Moy, Director of the Community Development Financial 
Institutions fund program. The Administration's Budget Request for the 
CDFI Fund asks for an increase of $75 million from $50 million for 
fiscal year 1997 to $125 million for fiscal year 1998. I also 
understand that the President also plans to ask for increases each year 
to bring the 5-year total to $1 billion by fiscal year 2002.
    The CDFI fund was established in the Community Development and 
Regulatory Improvement Act of 1994 to provide equity investments, 
grants, loans, and technical assistance to new and existing community 
development financial institutions such as community development banks, 
community development credit unions, community development loan funds, 
community development venture capital funds and micro-loan funds.
    CDFI funds are intended to enhance the capacity of these 
institutions to finance economic development, housing, and community 
development in distressed urban and rural communities.
    I am very concerned about the amount of the CDFI funding request, 
especially as we prioritize the funding needs of some of the primary 
programs and activities under this subcommittee, such as the renewal of 
expiring section 8 housing assistance contracts and the additional cost 
of Veterans medical care. The CDFI fund is the new kid on the block--it 
has no track record and looks like a number of other programs and 
activities that are designed to revitalize distressed communities.
    In addition, we need to see how well the CDFI funds will leverage 
other public and private investment in distressed communities and also 
to what degree any leveraged investment is being drained from other 
activities and programs currently serving distressed communities. I 
also am interested in understanding the extent to which CDFI's 
discourage traditional financial institutions from opening branches and 
lending in distressed communities. Opening special banks for distressed 
communities is not necessarily the best way to revitalize and 
incorporate these communities into, hopefully, the overall economic 
growth and revitalization of our urban and rural areas.
    I look forward to hearing your testimony

                               PANEL III

    The third panel consists of Mr. Norman D'Amours, Chairman of 
National Credit Union Administration (NCUA), and Mr. George Knight, 
Executive Director of the Neighborhood Reinvestment Corporation.
    NCUA is responsible for the chartering and regulating of federal 
credit unions. In addition, NCUA administers an insurance fund to carry 
out a program of insurance for member accounts in federal credit unions 
and State-chartered credit unions which apply and qualify for 
insurance. There are currently some 7,200 federally chartered credit 
unions and it is estimated that approximately 4,500 State-chartered 
credit unions will be insured by NCUA by the end of 1997.
    The NCUA is self-funded through an operating fee on its member 
institutions and from reimbursements from the insurance fund for 
administration of the insurance fund.
    Second, Mr. Knight will testify on the Administration's budget 
request for the Neighborhood Reinvestment Corporation which calls for 
flat funding of $50 million for fiscal year 1998. Neighborhood 
Reinvestment was created in 1978 to help local communities establish 
working partnerships between residents and representatives of the 
public and private sectors through nonprofit entities which include 
neighborhood housing services, mutual housing associations and 
apartment improvement programs. Collectively, these nonprofits are 
known as the NeighborWorks' network.
    Neighborhood Reinvestment and the NeighborWorks' network 
have a long track record and have become a good model of how the 
federal government can spend a small amount of money and reap 
tremendous benefits. For example, as the written testimony ably states, 
$38.7 million in fiscal year 1996 appropriations allowed the 
Neighborhood Reinvestment and NeighborWorks' to leverage 
$420 million in affordable housing investments.
    Again, I look forward to the testimony.

                    STATEMENT OF FRANK R. LAUTENBERG

    Senator Bond. In the absence of Senator Mikulski, I will 
call on Senator Lautenberg for his opening statement.
    Senator Lautenberg. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will be 
relatively brief, and relatively brief around here may have 
different meanings for different people, but we will try. 
[Laughter.]
    I thank you for calling this hearing. I welcome Ms. 
McGinty. If I may be so familiar, Katie, you have made many 
important contributions here. We are glad to see you here 
making the case for your small department--small, but 
important.
    Mr. Chairman, the Federal Government may have a single 
agency devoted to environmental protection, but every agency 
has environmental responsibilities and interests. The 
Department of Energy spends more money on hazardous waste 
cleanup than EPA. The Navy has taken dramatic steps to reduce 
pollution at sea. And NOAA's weather satellites have provided 
dramatic scientific information on the ozone hole and global 
warming.
    Additionally, although EPA enforces Superfund, the largest 
responsible parties are not Fortune 500 companies. They are the 
Department of Defense and the Department of Energy. Given the 
many agencies involved in environmental protection, it is 
important that some organization coordinate environmental 
policy. And the Council on Environmental Quality performs that 
critical task. And it generally does a good job.
    One area where there have been problems is the processing 
for reviewing disputes under NEPA, the National Environmental 
Policy Act. I have some concerns about the process, and I am 
pleased that the President has proposed to review it, to 
reinvent it perhaps. For one thing, we need to ensure that 
environmental impact statements are easier to understand so 
that public participation can be more meaningful. It is also 
critical that the environmental impact statement process become 
a real tool in agency decisionmaking rather than a paperwork 
exercise, to justify an agency previous intention.
    I understand that the President's budget would provide 
increased funding for four new staffers, to establish primarily 
a new NEPA process. And I hope that we can find the funds to 
make that happen. I think it is a very important step. I think 
that it needs to be attended to, and I think it is a relatively 
small request to take this important step.
    So I look forward to Ms. McGinty's comments on these 
issues, and I, once again, Mr. Chairman, thank you for holding 
this hearing.
    Senator Bond. Thank you very much, Senator Lautenberg, and 
since we have been joined by the chairman of the full 
committee, I would like to call on Senator Stevens for any 
comments.
    Senator Stevens. Thank you. I have no comment.
    Senator Bond. Thank you.
    I will now welcome and turn to our ranking member, and say 
that we are looking forward to working together in another 
challenging year, and hope that we can pass one good VA, HUD, 
and Independent Agencies bill, and move on with the business.
    Senator Mikulski, welcome.

                    STATEMENT OF BARBARA A. MIKULSKI

    Senator Mikulski. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, and 
again, I apologize for my tardiness today. We oversee the space 
program, and I wish I could do as good a job getting down from 
Baltimore on the Baltimore-Washington Parkway as our astronauts 
do fixing the Hubble.
    I would like to welcome our new members to the panel, 
Senators Craig, Harkin, and Boxer, who I know will be active 
participants, and in this, today's hearing. I am looking 
forward to hearing what Ms. McGinty has to say about the CEQ's 
effort to study the effectiveness of its authorizing 
legislation, the NEPA, and to examine proposals aimed at 
reinventing the interagency process to carry out that statute. 
As we look at so many of the issues impacting on the 
environment, interagency coordination is absolutely essential.
    I will also be looking forward to listening to Mr. George 
Knight of the Neighborhood Reinvestment Corporation, which is 
really one of the best little agencies I think we have in the 
Federal Government. It has a modest budget of $50 million, and 
really does help communities empower themselves. I think you 
and I appreciate its self-help initiatives.
    Also on the issues of the community development, the CDFI, 
we look forward to hearing what they have to say, particularly 
leveraging Federal dollars, and the role that they will play in 
microenterprise initiatives, which I know will be crucial to 
economic development in our own country. We have seen how they 
work abroad. I would like to see how they work in our inner 
cities, and hopefully they can be a tool to welfare reform.
    And last but not at all least, I welcome an old colleague, 
Congressman D'Amours, on behalf of the National Credit Union 
Administration. I am worried about the credit unions. There are 
a lot of lawsuits about credit unions. Some are in fragile 
condition. I just want to be sure that they again are a tool 
for empowerment at local levels, but yet do not leave us with 
another unfunded fiasco.
    Senator Bond. Thank you very much, Senator Mikulski. We 
will now hear first from Ms. Kathleen McGinty, Chairman of the 
Council on Environmental Quality [CEQ], which is responsible 
for coordinating Federal policy on environmental issues, as 
well as the primary responsibility for implementation of the 
National Environmental Policy Act [NEPA], which has already 
been mentioned here today.
    I note the administration is requesting a budget for CEQ in 
fiscal year 1998 of $3.02 million and 23 full-time equivalents. 
This budget request represents an increase for CEQ of over $\1/
2\ million, or a 24-percent increase over fiscal year 1997 
appropriations and an increase of four full-time employees.
    I look forward to your testimony. Welcome, Ms. McGinty.

                     STATEMENT OF KATHLEEN MCGINTY

    Ms. McGinty. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman and members 
of the committee. It is a pleasure to appear before you today 
to present the President's request for CEQ for fiscal year 
1998. I want to start by thanking all of you, and especially 
your staff, who have been very much available to CEQ in the 
last years to really help us do our job.
    I would like to focus today on three things: First, 
briefly, the level of our request; second, our work over the 
past year; and third, I'd like to turn to our top priority for 
the coming year, which is the reinvention of the National 
Environmental Policy Act. First, the level of our request.
    As you know, Mr. Chairman, CEQ currently operates at a 
staff level of 19 FTE's and a budget of $2.4 million. Our 
request today is for 23 FTE's, which would be $3,020,000. As 
you noted, Mr. Chairman, especially in these budget times, this 
increase in percentage terms is significant. However, I would 
like to emphasize to the committee that even at 23 FTE's, CEQ 
would still be significantly below the average in the Bush 
administration, which was 31 FTE's, and very significantly 
below CEQ's peak staffing level of nearly 70 FTE's during the 
Nixon administration.
    These resources are critical, Mr. Chairman, if CEQ is to 
take on what I will describe in a moment as our very first 
priority, the comprehensive reinvention of NEPA. Many, 
including the Western Governor's Association, industry, 
nongovernmental organizations, and others, have urged us to 
undertake this effort, and I agree with them, it is a top 
priority. But I do need resources to get that job done, 
resources that could be taken out of the daily fire fights that 
we find ourselves constantly involved in and consumed by, 
people who are senior, professional, dedicated staff who really 
can get this job done.
    As I noted, I will return to the substance of this endeavor 
in a moment. Before doing that, I want to turn briefly to some 
of CEQ's work over the past year that we anticipated in our 
meetings last year. As this committee is aware, CEQ has 
responsibility both for immediate oversight of the 
environmental impact assessment process conducted by every 
Federal agency, as well as in our capacity as the President's 
senior environmental policy advisers, policy coordination, and 
dispute resolution among agencies on environmental matters.
    First, environmental assessments. CEQ has worked hard over 
the last year to use NEPA as it was intended, to improve agency 
implementation and decisionmaking. For example, CEQ used NEPA 
to design a process that will allow us to conclude even the 
most complex habitat conservation plans, and these are the 
plans that we have developed under the Endangered Species Act 
that provide for species protection but also gives certainty to 
landowners. Through NEPA we will complete those processes for 
even the most complex HCP's in 10 months or less.
    I recently returned from Washington State, where I signed 
our latest HCP with the Governor of Washington. That HCP will 
cover 1.6 million acres, and gives the State of Washington 70 
to 100 years certainty that it has fulfilled its Federal 
Endangered Species Act obligations. We achieved that through 
NEPA.
    In addition, CEQ responded to the request of Gov. Tony 
Knowles, the Alaska delegation, members of the oil industry, 
and others, to launch a process to identify lands for possible 
oil production and environmental protection in the national 
petroleum reserve in Alaska. Because of our efforts and because 
of NEPA's ability to integrate various statutes, we will be 
able to see that process through to completion in 18 months or 
less. This builds on our effort that we achieved in just 6 
months to allow for the export of oil from the Alaska North 
Slope.
    Through NEPA, CEQ has also worked, for example, to cut 
processing times for timber salvage sales. Now, we complete 
them in 1 year instead of the 3 years that was previously 
required. We worked recently to resolve a longstanding dispute 
between the Air Force and the FAA that now allows military 
training activities again to be commenced in Alaska. And we 
provided most recently for the transfer of the Homestead Air 
Force Base in Florida to Dade County, FL, but in a way that 
will ensure that Everglades restoration is not impaired. So we 
are improving the environmental assessment process and 
implementation.
    On the policy front, CEQ has worked hard coordinating the 
agencies and resolving disputes. CEQ developed, for example, 
targeted reforms to RCRA. These reforms will avoid duplication 
between RCRA and the Clean Water Act. They were developed and 
signed into law last year, and in their implementation industry 
will save tens of millions of dollars. CEQ also worked to 
achieve an agreement that will ensure the financial viability 
of the Bonneville Power Administration, while also securing 
significant resources and sufficient resources to protect and 
restore salmon in the Columbia and Snake Rivers. This agreement 
was significant not only in substance, but also for the first 
time it opened up Federal salmon decisionmaking to the tribes 
and to State and local governments. That had not been done 
before.
    Working with the States' Attorneys General and the 
International Association of Police Chiefs, CEQ also designed a 
bill to take on environmental crimes. This bill, among other 
things, will provide for enhanced partnerships and the sharing 
of resources between Federal and State and local law 
enforcement officials.
    Finally, CEQ worked to craft significant reforms in a 
wetlands program, and now with OMB to ensure that nonstructural 
options are offered to flood victims in the wake of the recent 
flooding experiences we have seen. So CEQ has worked hard to 
ensure coordination, coherence, and efficiency in environmental 
policy matters. NEPA is an effective tool to that end.
    Turning briefly now, Mr. Chairman, to our proposal to 
reinvent NEPA, we hope to build on the progress we have made 
and that I have just discussed, as well as the new learning and 
insights we have gained as a result of our NEPA effectiveness 
study. We are already underway, working with the Western 
Governors Association; Governors Geringer and Kitzhaber most 
particularly have launched working groups in three areas: 
timber, oil and gas, and grazing. But as the committee knows, 
NEPA applies to every major Federal action, so there is much 
more to be done.
    We can use NEPA better to integrate environmental concerns, 
and we know for sure that NEPA is the tool through which we can 
provide much more access to citizens and State and local 
government. I would like to launch a multistakeholder process 
to get this done. I would like to bring in our universities and 
our best scientists and academic talent. It is indeed my top 
priority, but, Mr. Chairman, I do need additional resources to 
get the job done. I look forward to working with the committee 
to that end.
    Thank you.
    Senator Bond. Thank you very much, Ms. McGinty. Your full 
statement, of course, will be made a part of the record. We 
appreciate your summaries.

                           ELIMINATION OF CEQ

    Ms. McGinty, the first year President Clinton was in office 
he proposed eliminating CEQ as part of a streamlining effort, 
and later reversed his decision and decided to support CEQ, but 
to keep staffing at a modest level. I would note that CEQ is 
not at the lowest historical staffing level, which was 13, from 
1984 to 1989. In fact, the average staffing level, as opposed 
to the authorized level for the past 16 years, has been just 
below 19 FTE's. Can you provide us any specific examples from 
last year which would illustrate where your staffing level fell 
short?
    Ms. McGinty. Throughout the course of the last several 
years, Mr. Chairman, our staffing level has fluctuated. As you 
noted, in the beginning of the administration the proposal was 
to establish a new office in the White House to handle these 
matters. That office would have been staffed at 10 FTE's.
    Over the course of the last several years, CEQ has been 
built back up from 10 to the current level of 19 FTE's, so we 
have been on average in that range of staff, from 10 to now we 
have built back up to 19.
    Senator Bond. What work was not getting done?
    Ms. McGinty. I am sorry. For example, on the lesser levels 
of staffing we are about to present to the committee a combined 
CEQ annual report. As the committee is aware, Senator Mikulski 
has often looked to this report for the data, very important 
data, it contains.
    CEQ fell behind in preparing that report. But now we are 
finally on the verge of catching up, and we have done that by 
combining 2 years' worth of analysis into one single report.
    In addition to that, we also have just recently finished 
the NEPA effectiveness study, but that, too, was delayed by 
1\1/2\ years because of reduced funding levels.
    Senator Bond. How much of your time do you spend on putting 
out these reports? Senator Mikulski has suggested making it 
biannual. Is there that much new information every year that 
you have to come up with a new report? How much time and effort 
do you put in on that?
    Ms. McGinty. It is a significant investment of time and 
effort. What we have found, however, and we found it when we 
were lapsed 1 year in providing the report, is that 
particularly in academia and many scientists really rely on 
that annual series of data. They use it for their own studies, 
their own reports, and again, we found that out as we fell 
behind in producing that volume of data.
    It is a significant investment for us. We do take it very 
seriously, and what we have found is that there are many people 
who rely on it.

                               PROJECT XL

    Senator Bond. You mentioned project XL in your written 
testimony, and you say it is the centerpiece of the 
administration's effort to reinvent environmental regulation, 
and the President has indicated his strong support, saying it 
marks the end of one size fits all Government regulations. When 
we look at the reality as opposed to the rhetoric, we are a 
little concerned about it.
    You testified 2 years ago the administration would be 
launching 50 initiatives in 1995. Yet today, as I understand 
it, there have only been three project approvals, and, in fact, 
of the eight original pilot XL projects announced in November 
1995, only one has been given final approval, and only three 
additional projects are in negotiation. Three of the original 
project participants have withdrawn completely, and industry 
executives have told us that EPA is too enforcement oriented 
for a voluntary program to succeed. The senior director for 
environmental affairs for Annheuser Bush, one of the eight 
pilot projects which later withdrew, said, ``we could not seem 
to get the out of the box thinking we wanted to get out of 
them.''
    What lessons have you learned over the past 2 years from 
project XL? Why have there been so many problems, so little 
progress, and specifically, what are you doing to see the 
President's commitment for alternative compliance approaches is 
carried out?
    Ms. McGinty. Senator, the project XL, as you indicate, has 
been a comprehensive effort to really try to produce a whole 
new way of achieving environmental excellence. Now, in setting 
that ambitious of a target for ourselves, we also have run into 
some significant difficulties in getting the job done. I think 
the difficulties speak really to the newness and the magnitude 
of what we are trying to take on.
    What we have done to continue to work through the program 
is to reconvene a series of meetings with various stakeholders 
to really understand the issues that they are encountering with 
the program. And they seem to boil down to two. The program 
requires that there be stakeholder participation in 
implementing the environmental performance plan. The program 
also requires that in ``throwing away the rule book,'' that a 
company be willing to achieve superior environmental 
performance.
    Both of those phrases--stakeholder participation and 
superior environmental performance, have not been well enough 
understood so that as each project has moved forward there has 
been confusion with regard to those elements of the program.
    Recently, a Federal Register notice was issued to help 
flush those conflicts out, and a stakeholder process convened 
to comment on the new suggestions that have been made. Now, 
over the next several weeks what we will do is reissue that 
Federal Register notice, taking in the comments now of 
participants in the program and try to help provide some 
clarity with regard to those two concepts that do seem to have 
proven to be difficult.
    Senator Bond. I will come back to that, because I have a 
couple of more questions on that. But let me turn now to 
Senator Mikulski.
    Senator Mikulski. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Ms. McGinty, the NEPA effectiveness study identified 
certain areas, in which there was poor interagency 
coordination, conflicting regulations, inadequate public 
participation, too much paperwork, and so on. And having 
identified those, which can be true of almost any organization 
in America, your report had no navigational chart or no series 
of recommendations on how to address those individual issues. 
Do you have a specific list that you want accomplished and 
defined timetables that you want? In other words, some of these 
are more pressing than others. Would you outline your tasks and 
timetables on addressing the effectiveness study, because 
resources and staff should define mission and purpose, and 
mission and purpose is dealt with in these issues. Do you want 
to comment?
    Ms. McGinty. Yes; thank you. Starting from the 
effectiveness study and the five or six themes that came out of 
that that you just articulated, we have moved from those themes 
to try to apply them now in the first phase of this reinvention 
effort to three specific areas. The first one is timber, the 
second is oil and gas production, and the third is grazing. And 
what that means is that we want to look in those three sectors 
to see what the experience is of whether there are conflicting 
regulations, whether the public is not sufficiently involved. 
Yes?
    Senator Mikulski. Just to continue a conversational 
approach here, so rather than saying I am going to address too 
much paperwork, what you are doing, then, is taking a topic 
that actually affects a private sector, like grazing and 
timber--of which our colleagues here have intense interest in, 
and then take these four problem areas and look at a topic that 
affects private sector environmental concerns and does direct 
impact on the local community. I think that is an excellent way 
to go about it, rather than something called--not good 
coordination.
    Ms. McGinty. Instead of just generalities, we really wanted 
to get very specific, and one specific thing, for example, that 
we would like to do, and the timing and the paperwork problems 
that you mentioned, we want to give people who are seeking 
Federal leases the opportunity, the right, to come in and 
negotiate a timeframe, so that they know that the permitting 
process will take x amount of time. But they have the right to 
come in and be given that certainty. They do not have that now.
    Senator Mikulski. Let us just take the grazing issue. I 
know Senator Burns will probably have followup questions in 
this, but that is what I hope we can do, a more conversational 
approach.
    Grazing is one of your tasks to be dealt with. Do you have 
a timetable where you say at the end of this period we then 
hope we will have resolved our internal management processes to 
have dealt with creating procedures. Not necessarily to make 
everybody happy with the decisions, but at least our internals 
and our mechanisms will be in place.
    Ms. McGinty. Yes; we hope, actually, over the next several 
months, in a short timeframe, to be able to produce several 
very concrete recommendations, in the grazing sector for 
example. We will take those recommendations, and then open the 
process up. I visited extensively with Governors Geringer and 
Kitzhaber about this. The University of Wyoming and the 
University of Montana will be engaged in providing a forum for 
us to have our recommendations aired by the folks who are most 
affected.
    Senator Mikulski. Is it reasonable to expect that those 
three topics could have been dealt with by the beginning of the 
fiscal year, October 1?
    Ms. McGinty. Oh, I believe so, yes. In terms of very 
specific concrete recommendations, yes.
    Senator Mikulski. Well, I'd like to ask, Ms. McGinty, that 
when we are actually at our markup stage we would like to have 
a progress report, and then what you need to do that, because 
then, one, we will see if you have made progress, with all due 
respect, and then second, what it took to make the progress.
    Ms. McGinty. OK.
    Senator Mikulski. The second thing is FEMA. You know we are 
a FEMA-obsessed committee here because that is where all the 
natural disasters come in. FEMA, as you know, has raised 
concerns and yellow flashing lights that often environmental 
mandates, particularly emergency rehabilitation, often impede 
their efforts. We are not talking about long-range restoration. 
I wonder if you could talk about your coordination with FEMA, 
not that we waive or cavalier or swashbuckle over these regs, 
but when they are out there and we have got floods on the 
Missouri or like what we faced in Western Maryland, the 
Potomac, et cetera, you have got to make decisions and you 
cannot go through a lot of complicated environmental stuff.
    Ms. McGinty. Yes; absolutely, especially in the context of 
emergency response. We very recently were faced with this, 
especially in the wake of the flooding in California. I was 
contacted by Senator Feinstein and Congressman Fazio, who laid 
out to me that they thought their constituents were very 
concerned and confused about this, not certain that they could 
take emergency actions to respond to the flood.
    We called the relevant agencies together--FEMA, the Fish 
and Wildlife Service, the National Marine Fishery Service, EPA, 
all of them--and quickly got an analysis done that yes, in 
fact, there are emergency provisions in each one of these 
statutes, and that the conditions in California warranted the 
invocation of those emergency procedures. Within 36 hours we 
put out statements in California and the Pacific Northwest to 
make clear that the environmental statutes in no way slowed 
down or would impede emergency actions to respond to the flood.
    Senator Mikulski. I am going to offer two suggestions to 
you, and I know my time is up. It would be wonderful to spend 
the whole morning talking about this. But two things: First of 
all, hats off on the California response. But this is going to 
happen everywhere. And I am going to suggest two things. One, 
that you might want to think about SWAT teams from these 
agencies to work with FEMA exactly on that, at a significant 
senior level where decisions will have validity.
    The other is that when FEMA does its maneuvers, and they do 
them in States, and they do them in special situations, the 
earthquake maneuver and so on, their simulations, that you be 
part of that simulation. And, I think, it would be very 
innovative, so that when they simulate how to respond to save 
lives, then you are there to talk about what you would do to 
follow up to save communities. And think about that, talk to 
James Lee Witt, and, I think, it could be very innovative, and, 
I think, it would be very energizing for your staff.
    Ms. McGinty. That is an excellent suggestion. I will do 
that.
    Senator Mikulski. To have SWAT teams and maneuvers.
    Ms. McGinty. Sounds exhilarating.
    Senator Lautenberg. It sounds like they will be out there 
with flack jackets. [Laughter.]
    Senator Mikulski. I have seen several environmental issues 
in Maryland where we have had horrendous national disaster 
years, as has Senator Bond. Senator Lautenberg has very serious 
issues in New Jersey relating to chemicals.
    Anyway, enough said.
    Ms. McGinty. Thank you.
    Senator Bond. Thank you, Senator Mikulski. I feel like we 
are almost in the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee.
    Senator Mikulski. Senator Stevens is having a profound 
impact on my psyche.
    Senator Bond. That is a good idea, and you will want to go 
to Alaska, like the rest of us do this year. It is not 
required, but it is not a bad idea.
    Now let me turn to Senator Burns.

                   PREPARED STATEMENT OF CONRAD BURNS

    Senator Burns. I have a statement that I want to put in the 
record, Mr. Chairman.
    Senator Bond. Without objection, it will be so ordered.
    [The statement follows:]

                  PREPARED STATEMENT OF SENATOR BURNS

    Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Mr. 
Chairman, I would like to take this opportunity to commend you on your 
prompt attention to appropriation matters this Congress. We have a lot 
of work to accomplish this year and, considering our present fiscal 
situation, it might not be easy to choose which projects to fund. 
Therefore, it is important that we begin our work quickly with close 
attention not only to the needs of Federal agencies individually, but 
to the needs of the Nation.
    For example, Mr. Chairman, I have noticed that some agencies are 
requesting more than double the amount they requested in fiscal year 
1997. Mr. Chairman, with the economy in the shape that it is, each 
Federal agency should be trying to limit their expenses, not increase 
them, because if we increase the funds for one agency, it means that 
another agency will have to accept higher cuts than it would have 
normally expected.
    And, unfortunately, Mr. Chairman, we will have to determine if each 
Federal agency is really a needed organization in today's economy. We 
must do all that we can to ensure that we do not have two or three 
agencies performing the same tasks--this only leads to confusion and/or 
double billing the Federal Government for essentially the same work. It 
is our job to ensure to the American people that we are spending their 
hard earned tax payer funds with due diligence.
    Again, thank you, Mr. Chairman, for the opportunity to comment on 
these proceedings and for your timely attention to these vital matters 
to our Nation.

    Senator Burns. Ms. McGinty, I was going to have you give me 
10 reasons why you should be funded at all. Now, I want you to 
give me 19 reasons why you should be funded at all.
    Ms. McGinty. OK. I guess I can try. One, I think that we 
need better coordination among our agencies on environmental 
matters, and that is CEQ's role.
    Two, I think we need to streamline and cut paperwork, and 
that also is CEQ's role.
    Three, I think that in many different Federal decisions 
environmental impact should be taken into account, and that, 
again, is CEQ's role.
    Four, NEPA is the statute that provides for State and local 
government participation in Federal decisionmaking.
    Senator Burns. Let us stop right there now. I will let you 
make 15 of them in writing to me.
    It just seems to me if we have, and EPA, they do not want 
to visit with any other agency, you do not want to visit with 
any other agency, no other agency wants to visit with you, I 
just feel like, because you all went to Montana and made a 
little deal, and that ain't going to fly, is it?
    Ms. McGinty. I believe we are on track with that, although 
I am very respectful of your views on this subject.
    Senator Burns. Well, you tell me how it is going to fly, 
because I will tell you what, Plum Creek has pulled out.
    Ms. McGinty. Yes; that is right. The Governor, as you might 
know, is still very much engaged, and has been working with us 
closely on it. The company is still very much engaged, and has 
worked in good faith from the beginning of this process, and 
continues today. The agencies, I think, are producing a lot of 
good work on this front.
    Senator Burns. But your groups--in other words, your 
environmental groups in Montana--are not going to allow this 
thing to move forward, and I think I said at the git-go that 
this was a pie in the sky, that it just jerks people around, 
that their lives are in the balance locally. This is policy 
that was made on a feel-good methodology, and then to come in 
here and ask for more money and more people to do more crazy 
things, it is absolutely--I do not see how you can justify it, 
Katie. And I will tell you what, and I love your smile and I 
think you are a bright young woman, but I will tell you what, 
as far as any value to the American people or to the community 
of Montana or Wyoming or Idaho, and Utah will love you, you 
tell me what value--and you go out there and you say things to 
the press that sound good, but it is just not like that. And 
you made this deal, and then you ask for more money. Boy, I 
will tell you one thing. I thought I was pretty brazen as an 
auctioneer, but I am not near as brazen as this.
    Ms. McGinty. Well, Senator, I certainly respect your 
opinion, and I certainly understand, and you have made very 
clear, and have been clear to us from the beginning with regard 
to the New World Mine proposal about your views on that. But I 
do believe that CEQ has performed a very valuable role, and 
continues to, on issues that, I believe, are also very 
important to your constituents.
    Senator Mikulski and I were just discussing what we have 
done, already, to help streamline things like grazing 
practices, and to make it easier to provide----
    Senator Burns. How many people do you have there in that 
CEQ that knows one thing about grazing? Do you have anybody 
down there from the Society of Range Management?
    Ms. McGinty. No; I do not.
    Senator Burns. That is right. You do not have one soul down 
there that can tell us diddly doo about what a cow will eat and 
what they will not, what a sheep will do and what they will 
not. Now, you might have some people down there who know the 
difference between clean water and bad water, but that is about 
all. And this is what I am saying. We have got an Agriculture 
Department. In other words, all of this is redundant.
    I am going to be right honest with you. I am going to vote 
to defund this whole thing, because you have not been honest 
with people, and I am just to the point of frustration like you 
cannot believe. People's lives are in the balance. And that is 
what I am saying. We have got people that are making policy 
that do not know diddly doo about nothing. And I am probably 
one of them.
    Ms. McGinty. Senator, it is true that CEQ is not an 
institution that has specific substantive expertise in the 
various areas. What CEQ works to do, though, it is the statute 
that says that people with expertise have to be brought into 
the decisionmaking process. NEPA is the statute that says you 
have to open the doors, you have to let the public in, you have 
to disclose what your intentions are.
    I would not presume to second-guess the technical judgment 
of a particular agency. But when you have two agencies with 
clashing technical judgment, or when you have an agency that 
does not want to let State or local government or private 
citizens participate, that is when we get involved, to try to 
help repair where there are differences or to ensure that 
people have an opportunity to participate.
    But you are exactly right. It is not an institution with a 
cadre of scientists or a cadre of economists in specific 
disciplines.
    Senator Burns. But you put a lot of weight on NEPA. Yet you 
went out there and interjected your own decision before the 
NEPA process was allowed to be completed. You do not even have 
faith in your own law in NEPA. You made that decision on the 
New World Mine before the NEPA process was completed.
    Ms. McGinty. That is absolutely true, Senator.
    Senator Burns. Well, then why?
    Ms. McGinty. Because the NEPA process is invoked when a 
Federal Government agency is going to undertake an action and/
or when a citizen requests that a Federal Government agency 
takes an action.
    Senator Burns. But the process was in progress. Let it be 
completed.
    Ms. McGinty. The requesting company in this instance asked 
that that action cease and desist because they wanted to pursue 
an alternative course.
    Senator Burns. They are just as wrong as you are.
    Ms. McGinty. Well, the action was undertaken at their 
instance.
    Senator Burns. Well, but I am saying that they are just as 
guilty as you are.
    Senator Bond. Thank you very much, Senator Burns.
    Senator Burns. I will go upstairs and jump on Babbitt. He 
is upstairs. I will vote to pull all of your funds on this.
    Senator Lautenberg. Mr. Chairman, may I?
    Senator Bond. Senator Lautenberg.
    Senator Burns. I have no use for it.
    Senator Lautenberg. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.
    Ms. McGinty, when did you write the NEPA law?
    Ms. McGinty. Senator, it was written in 1969, and signed 
into law by President Nixon.
    Senator Lautenberg. Oh, so you did not write it.
    Ms. McGinty. No; I did not, sir.
    Senator Lautenberg. So, are you here defending what you 
think is a legitimate process?
    Ms. McGinty. Senator, I have come to see it as invaluable.
    Senator Lautenberg. I do not think you are so brazen. I 
think you have got to do it. You are the lawyer in this case. 
You are defending an agency in which you have deep belief. So 
stick with it.
    Now, I would like to know how many of those who made 
decisions here--perhaps you can help me--make decisions about 
defense who have never seen war. I would like to know how many 
scientists have been up in the ozone hole who are making 
decisions here? What the devil do they know about ozone holes? 
They have not been there.
    Ms. McGinty, stick to your guns. You have an important 
function to maintain there. We have agencies all over the place 
who are involved in environmental decisions. And Lord knows 
that we will save more lives and make lives more pleasant for 
millions of people if you and the others who are involved in 
environmental questions here can solve the problems that we 
have.
    I do not want my grandchildren drinking toxic or 
contaminated water or breathing toxic air. Neither do I want my 
aunt or my uncle, elderly people, breathing toxic air. You have 
got to do what you have to do. You are on the side of right. 
You are saving lives, and you have got to stick with it.
    Do you know the TRI process and the TRI program?
    Ms. McGinty. Yes; I do.
    Senator Lautenberg. You know I have some involvement with 
it. Are you aware that the toxic release inventory, on a 
voluntary basis, has saved, in the period from 1989 to present 
day or last year, 44 percent--reduced by 44 percent--toxic 
emissions in the air. It is a voluntary program.
    I can tell you in my State, which Senator Mikulski 
acknowledged, we have very serious environmental problems, 
because we are a crowded State. We have a proud industrial 
past. Unfortunately, that past has caught up with us in the 
wrong way, and as a consequence we are flooded with Superfund 
sites and toxic air problems. Our neighbors to the west are 
very generous. They deposit their contaminants all over our 
soil with no charge, by the way, I might add. The fact of the 
matter is that companies in New Jersey sprung to the idea of 
participating in this voluntary program.
    The success was enormous. Some companies save 90 percent--
reduced by 90 percent--the toxic emissions that they were 
putting previously into the air, and many of them found that 
they had a recoverable asset going out of those smokestacks, 
and they brought them back into the shop and used them to make 
paints and other solvents and things of that nature. And they 
found out not only did they contribute to the neighborhood and 
the community, but they also contributed to their bottom line. 
So then, why should not an XL program work, if we can enlist 
the support of the private sector?
    Ms. McGinty. Senator, I have every confidence that it will, 
and, in fact, it has. There are three agreements that have been 
reached under project XL already, and some of them are huge. 
One of them in particular is the difference between the 
economic cutting edge competitiveness of an industry and 
falling behind, and that is the one with Intel. The Intel 
Corp., as you know, is involved in the development of 
semiconductors. And with computer technology constantly 
changing, the competitiveness of that industry depends on being 
able to change their production processes very rapidly. They 
can do that under XL. If it were not for XL, they would face a 
very serious competitiveness challenge.
    Now, the chairman does point to some of the challenges we 
are having in broadening the program, but I really do believe 
that is because it is a very ambitious program, and it is going 
to be tough.
    Senator Lautenberg. I want to say, for the chairman of this 
subcommittee, who has many times mentioned his interest in 
securing a budget that balances and making certain that we 
reduce our expenses wherever we can, but Mr. Chairman, I have 
got to compliment you, because you have stuck with some of the 
programs that I know you had some questions about because you 
were persuaded by the evidence that these were decent programs, 
and I commend your objectivity even as you focus on the budget 
reductions that you obviously advocate.
    Ms. McGinty, I close by just saying that I hope you 
continue doing what you do. I think you have to make the case a 
little more clearly. I think it does look redundant. We have 
EPA, and people are not quite sure in the outside world--I am 
not even sure if we on the inside world are certain about it, 
but what are the functions. But when you lay it out, and you 
say yes, there is defense, and yes, there is energy, and yes, 
there is agriculture, all these departments performing what I 
think are fundamentally excellent and required services. Can 
they do them cheaper? Perhaps. Can they do them better? 
Certainly. But I think coordination of all of these departments 
is essential, and I hope that CEQ can achieve the mark that it 
was originally designed for.
    Thank you.
    Ms. McGinty. Thank you.
    Senator Bond. Thank you, Senator Lautenberg. I appreciate 
your kind comments. I believe that we must work toward a 
balanced budget. I think there is bipartisan agreement there. I 
happen to think, as I have stated on many occasions, that this 
subcommittee has taken more than its share of cuts. We have 
some very, very important priorities with costs that are 
continuing to escalate. The housing area is one that we will be 
discussing later.
    Senator Mikulski. That is going to be a big balloon.
    Senator Bond. Is that a big enchilada?
    Senator Mikulski. The section 80 spiraling contracts.
    Senator Lautenberg. I was stuck in traffic that day.
    Senator Bond. We all may be stuck in traffic. [Laughter.]

                          SPENDING PRIORITIES

    Senator Bond. But there are some difficult problems. I 
raised the question about the budget in the beginning because I 
am not sufficiently optimistic to think that we will get a 
602(b) allocation which would accommodate all of the spending 
priorities the President recommended.
    Ms. McGinty, I want to come back to project XL. I believe 
in the concept of project XL. I do have some problems with how 
it is being implemented, and I noted in your testimony you 
seemed to think that the problem was primarily with 
understanding by the other non-Federal Government agencies that 
they just did not get it as to how XL would work. And I note 
that when 3M withdrew from project XL, the Minnesota Pollution 
Control Agency said--we were all there, it was clearly stated--
there were elements at EPA who had not weighed in, powerful 
elements. Intel, itself, you cited as one of the examples. The 
Governors affairs manager said there were too many EPA offices, 
too many levels of regulators, they were negotiating with 
people who were not making the decisions.
    I wonder, are you listening to the people who are getting 
out of the program, the States and the private sector? Because 
frankly, there has not been a lot of progress, and there have 
been a lot more dropping out than are staying in the program. 
So there is a problem. Are you listening to the people?
    Ms. McGinty. Yes; and I think fair enough, Mr. Chairman, in 
terms of pointing not only to those who might participate in 
the program not understanding the elements of it, but the 
agency itself trying on a new suit here, and one that does not 
necessarily fit exactly right the first time around. That is 
certainly involved here, too.
    One of the things that we have seen in the program, again 
listening to participants, is that it is uneven. Some regions 
of EPA have taken this issue up and have implemented it much 
more smoothly than other regions. There seems to be some 
regions who kind of get the idea more quickly than others. So 
there are internal difficulties.
    Senator Bond. Let me ask this, and I apologize that we are 
short on time, the global environmental management initiative 
received a draft report which said that both CSI and project XL 
suffered from a lack of clear ground rules, raising serious 
questions about the viability of the programs without 
fundamental statutory reforms. The President's Council, 
Presidential Congressional Commission on Risk Assessment and 
Risk Management, says EPA needs the legal authority to provide 
flexibility. The President's Council on Sustainable Development 
says that it needs a new regulatory system with greater 
flexibility and alternative compliance legislation. In the past 
we have raised this question. It has been the position of the 
administration we get the job done without new statutory 
authority.
    It looks like the evidence is beginning to come in that 
there does need to be some statutory changes. Are you ready to 
support any such changes in alternative compliance legislation? 
Where do we stand on those issues?
    Ms. McGinty. Well, we did feel, Mr. Chairman, that it was 
important to road test some of these issues, and that is what 
we have been doing over the last year.
    I think we will get further evidence in as this work that I 
mentioned before continues, to try to elucidate, as you just 
pointed to, what are the ground rules. Frankly, it has been a 
little surprising to us that in trying to eliminate some of the 
rules, to allow people to choose their own way and get there as 
efficiently as they can, they have come back and said but we 
need at least a few more ground rules.
    So we do have some experience now, and I would look forward 
to working with you and your staff and talking about that and 
see what we might do now with this information that we have in 
hand.

                 SMALL BUSINESS REGULATORY ENFORCEMENT

    Senator Bond. Would you please let us know about the people 
who want more ground rules? I had not heard that. I would be 
interested to see that. But I really think we have gotten to 
the point where we need legislation, Amoco, Yorktown, and 
others.
    Let me ask you about the ozone fine particles. You know 
that this has raised a great deal of concern. Senator Chafee, 
chairman of the EPW Committee has even suggested EPA should 
delay the fine particle standard. We passed a little measure 
last year that I played a role in called the Small Business 
Regulatory Enforcement Fairness Act, which requires the 
participation by small business in the process, plus other 
standards to take care of the concerns of small business.
    No. 1, I am concerned about the process. Have you looked 
at, from the administration's standpoint, whether EPA's rule is 
subject to the Small Business Regulatory Enforcement Fairness 
Act? And No. 2, do you see a need for further scientific 
evidence on the benefits of the proposed standards? Everybody 
recognizes there is a scientific concern about the health 
risks. The second part of the question is from a substantive 
standpoint and an impact standpoint, do you see need for the 
delay that Senator Chafee has suggested?
    Ms. McGinty. Mr. Chairman, let me step back for a second 
and describe CEQ's role in the context of this pending 
rulemaking. What we have worked to do and will continue now as 
the comment period is still continuing but will come to a close 
in the middle-end of March, is to work with the other offices 
in the White House, and particularly OMB and the National 
Economic Council, to ensure that as comments are coming in that 
they are made available in real time to the other agencies that 
have an interest in this and that have technical expertise 
themselves to be able to review and comment.
    The second thing we will do is to provide a forum, whether 
it is State or local governments or various interested parties, 
to be able to come in and comment personally on the proposed 
rules.
    Separate and aside from that process, we will ensure that 
there is adequate time for review of the rule before it goes 
final. But at this point in time, while we are still in the 
comment period, I do not have a separate substantive judgment. 
I can assure the committee that I will be engaged as those 
reviews and judgments come in, but the rule is still pending 
and the comment period is still open on it. And so we are 
awaiting those comments coming in.
    Senator Bond. I did not catch your answer to the question 
about small business.
    Ms. McGinty. On the small business SBREFA, in terms of the 
applicability of SBREFA to a particular standard--first of all, 
let me say that SBREFA is a statute the administration 
wholeheartedly supports, and we very much welcome your 
willingness in letting us work with you last year and your 
staff working with us to put that together. So we are very much 
supportive of it.
    In terms of the applicability of the statute to a 
particular standard, to a particular proposed standard or rule, 
that is a determination that is economically involved, legally 
and technically involved. It would be on this issue as on other 
issues that are a matter of such technical expertise, I would 
not normally form a separate opinion of it. I would look to the 
agency that has expertise in that area. In this instance it 
would be a combination of EPA and the office in the White House 
that is charged specifically with these kinds of matters, which 
is the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs. And I know 
that they have reviewed that question, and I know that they 
have come up with a determination about it. I have not 
undertaken to make a separate determination of it myself.
    Senator Bond. Senator Mikulski.
    Senator Mikulski. Ms. McGinty, again, there are many topics 
that we could cover in our conversation with you. But I think 
what is arising here is first of all there is a lack of clarity 
about what CEQ does. This is no-fault with you. Please do not 
misunderstand me. And, therefore, what are the models? Are you 
the EPA czar? Are you the equivalent of McCaffrey on the 
environment? Are you supposed to be the EPA czar? That is a 
different function.
    Are you to be more like the Office of Science and 
Technology Policy, which coordinates on certain topics like 
ozone or science education, and an advisor to the President, 
but you are not the science czar for America?
    I think we need a clarification on this, because I think it 
is more the latter model. You were not meant to be the 
environmental czar, therefore, not be held accountable for 
every environmental perceived screw-up, whether it is Interior 
or EPA or agencies within Interior or Agriculture or whatever.
    The second point here is that I recall when I first chaired 
the subcommittee, all the work with CEQ was spent producing 
this report, and often they were late, and that is what they 
did. That is all they did. And more often than not, they did 
not do it that well or in a timely fashion. And that is when 
there began doubts on what the function of CEQ was.
    Now, I believe your predecessor under Mr. Bush laid new 
groundwork and things began to move more smoothly, and now this 
is what you are doing. I think as we move forward here we need, 
and I think it is appropriate, that you articulate what your 
role is.
    If we look at the models, first of all we love czar. We 
think that somehow or another that is going to accomplish it. 
If czars worked so well we would not have had revolutions. 
[Laughter.]
    Ms. McGinty. Senator, in terms of those models, the more 
apt one, and a very apt one, is the Office of Science and 
Technology Policy. The role is to coordinate the various 
agencies, and every agency has some environmental mandate or 
mission.
    To take the Superfund Program, for example, I do not 
implement it. I do not enforce specific remedies at specific 
sites. However, I have to be concerned with the fact that we 
have got a Department of Energy and a Department of Defense 
that are themselves responsible for Superfund cleanups.
    Senator Mikulski. But Dr. Gibbons, and we will talk to Dr. 
Gibbons, neither proposes new legislation or new regulatory 
frameworks, but essentially just more efficiently coordinates 
the resources, particularly topical when they go across agency 
lines.
    Ms. McGinty. Yes; exactly. Exactly right. That is exactly 
the model.
    On Superfund, again, the reforms that we have seen to take 
land use into account when planning a cleanup, that is the kind 
of thing that comes out of a process that CEQ chairs, and we 
hear from a DOE and a DOD to share their experience under the 
Superfund Program, and we get insights. So we have ideas as to 
how to reform the programs.
    Senator Mikulski. Well, I think this is what we need to 
talk about in terms of your funding and expectations of you, 
and not hold you accountable for every faulty decision or 
perceived faulty decision in these particular areas. And I am 
afraid this is where we are drifting to, because as I 
understand, the Office of Science and Technology proposed no 
new legislation, no new regulatory framework, it did not solve 
the science problems. Dr. Gibbons is not out there finding a 
cure for cancer, for prostate cancer, but essentially advising 
the President and the Vice President on how we should organize 
our resources on life sciences, am I right?
    Ms. McGinty. Exactly right, yes. That is the model.
    Senator Mikulski. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Senator Bond. Thank you, Senator Mikulski.
    Senator Bennett.
    Senator Bennett. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate your 
willingness to let me visit a subcommittee that I very much 
enjoyed. I am sorry I had to leave because of other priorities.
    Senator Bond. Well, we miss you, and we are delighted to 
have you as a member emeritus.
    Senator Bennett. All right.
    Ms. McGinty, you and I have had some exchanges, both in 
hearings and in writing, and I appreciate the chairman's 
willingness to let me use this forum to pursue some of those 
exchanges.
    It will come as no surprise to you that I want to talk 
about the monument in southern Utah, and to lay the predicate 
again for this record. The decision to create this monument was 
made without any consultation whatsoever with any elected 
official in the State of Utah. The Governor was kept out of any 
considerations. Senator Hatch and I were both kept out of any 
consideration. Congressman Orton, in whose district it was, was 
kept out.
    I asked you in a hearing before the Energy and Natural 
Resources Committee if you would provide us, and provide me 
specifically, with all of the written background relating to 
this decision, because, as I rehearsed there, while we had the 
conversations prior to the designation of the monument, people 
from your office kept insisting this was being handled by the 
Interior Department. My conversations with the Secretary and 
people in the Interior Department show they insist that this 
was being handled by the White House and no one would admit to 
having been the lead agency or the lead staff group to advise 
the President.
    So I asked you to give me all of the background that was 
used in the decisionmaking process. And on Valentines Day I 
sent you a letter that was not necessarily a valentine saying 
that almost 6 months had gone by and I had heard nothing. And I 
received back from Shelly Fidler, Chief of Staff, a letter 
saying you were traveling but they wanted to be responsive 
immediately and apologizing for the delay, and this is what I 
got as the substance of what went into the President's decision 
to create 1.7 million acres of a national monument in Utah 
without any consultation from any elected official in Utah:
    A manual entitled ``The Ecosystem Approach, Healthy 
Ecosystems and Sustainable Economies,'' dated June 1995; a 
legal description of the Antiquities Act and what you could do 
under it; a speech given by Ray Clark, Council of Economic 
Quality of the United States, in Quebec City, dated June 16, 
1994; and then written answers to questions from other Members 
of Congress--James Hansen, that was useful, he is from Utah; 
here is a letter signed by Bruce Babbitt written to Carol 
Browner dated May 29, 1996; and questions for the record for 
Ms. McGinty from Senator Thomas and other members of the 
committee, and your response to Senator Thomas.
    Frankly, I do not consider that responsive to my letter, 
and I wanted to come here and raise this with you.
    Second, I will tell you if you do not know that a number of 
publications in Utah have submitted freedom of information 
requests for the same information and have been denied. They 
are anxious about that. They are pursuing their rights under 
the Freedom of Information Act, and feel that they have a right 
to more information about the process that was followed in the 
creation of this.
    Further, people in the press--and we all learn what we 
learn about the press, have reported names of people who were 
involved, who were consulted, who were part of the 
decisionmaking process, including people from the Southern Utah 
Wilderness Alliance and other environmental groups, the Sierra 
Club, et cetera, who were allowed access to information that 
was denied elected officials. That is, they were part of the 
process of drawing maps and making decisions concerning land 
use in this monument.
    I am not going to attack anybody. I am not going to send 
somebody to break their knees or knock out their windshields or 
scratch up their cars or do anything. I simply want to know to 
whom the President turned, or you as the President's agent, to 
whom did you turn for information on this?
    This is a very, very significant issue. It affects a very 
large number of my constituents. It is a major environmental 
effort on behalf of all of the people of the United States, 
creating one of the largest, if not the largest, national 
monument in the country, and we have no official idea who did 
it. And yet we are faced with a 3-year management plan to try, 
in the words of Leon Panetta when he called me to tell me about 
it, to pick up the pieces after the fact. It will be much 
easier for us to pick up the pieces after the fact if we have 
some understanding of the pattern, the thoughts, the 
motivations, that went into the creation of this thing in this 
particular fashion.
    So I am here to ask you once again if you will review my 
letter of February 14 where I get very specific in the things 
that I ask for, and do your best to be responsive to those 
specific requests, and however well-meaning your staff was to 
try to get you off the hook and get me something in a hurry, I 
am not really interested in copies of speeches that were 2 
years old prior to the decision the President made.
    Ms. McGinty. Thank you, Senator. There are three or four 
points I think you made. I will do my best to respond to them.
    First, in terms of the materials that were sent to you 
after your February 14 letter, they were the exact and complete 
set of materials that we sent to the committee immediately 
after the hearing, which was September 26, including in the 
hearing record, because your request was part of the hearing 
record to have those materials submitted, we submitted that 
stack of papers that is specific to the monument that you 
pointed to. That outlines the analysis. That is the complete 
analysis that was done supporting the designation of the 
monument. I tried to deliver that immediately. It was part of 
the hearing record.
    We were told at that time that the committee separately 
would make it available to each member. I suppose that did not 
happen, and so what my staff did 1 week ago was to resubmit 
those materials to your office directly. And so what you have 
there is both the materials that were directly responsive to 
your question, but just in order to not leave anything out you 
have the entire set of materials that were offered to close the 
hearing record.
    Senator Bennett. If I may, I do not consider this 
responsive to my question. I can understand why the committee 
did not circulate all of the materials to me.
    I want to know the specific analysis that went into this 
monument. I do not want general statements about the 
Antiquities Act, I do not want general statements about 
ecosystems, this was a very significant act taken by the 
President of the United States deliberately keeping a number of 
people in the dark with respect to what was going on. It 
obviously did not burst full blown from the head of Zeus. There 
was obviously a great deal of staff work that went into it.
    I want to know the names of the people who participated in 
those sessions, and I want to see the memos they created. And 
as I said to you, and will repeat again, as far as the press is 
concerned, they are now quoting people outside of the 
administration as saying they were part of the process, and I 
want either confirmation or denial of that, and the only way I 
can get that is to get a list of the names of the people who 
really were involved.
    Again, I am not going to put out a contract on somebody who 
was involved. Nobody has anything to fear. I just want to know 
the process that was followed and the people that were 
involved. This is clearly not responsive to that request.
    Ms. McGinty. Fair enough. Let me mention two things, if I 
might. One is the materials that you have there are not just 
generalities about the Antiquities Act. That package of 
materials includes the complete itemization of all of the 
archeological, geological, and cultural factors that were 
identified in the monument area, and as you know, that is 
required to be identified pursuant to the Antiquities Act. So 
the materials are very specific in terms of where those 
archeological sites are and what they are.
    Senator Bennett. I do not disagree, but they are very 
incomplete.
    I am sorry I have taken so much time, Mr. Chairman.
    Senator Bond. Senator, I apologize. We have two very 
important panels to follow. Let me just say that I think that 
Senator Bennett has made a reasonable request. To the extent 
that you and CEQ have knowledge and participated, I will be 
interested personally in reviewing your response to his 
question to, the extent that CEQ was there, who did what, and 
when. I am sure that Senator Bennett will enjoy reading about 
the Antiquities Act. I believe he wants to know who did what, 
and that will be of interest to us.
    Senator Mikulski, any further questions to Ms. McGinty?

                     ADDITIONAL COMMITTEE QUESTIONS

    Senator Mikulski. No; and I will look forward to hearing 
the followup on this conversation, and particularly the FEMA 
part, which I think offers a great opportunity for saving lives 
and saving communities.
    Ms. McGinty. Yes; thank you.
    Senator Bond. Thank you very much.
    Ms. McGinty. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    [The following questions were not asked at the hearing, but 
were submitted to the Council for response subsequent to the 
hearing:]
                  Questions Submitted by Senator Bond
    Question. NEPA Effectiveness Study. Recently CEQ released its 
``NEPA Effectiveness Study.'' CEQ found that while the NEPA process 
overall is sound, at times its implementation fell short of goals. For 
example, ``interagency coordination is hampered because agencies often 
have different timetables, requirements, and modes of public 
participation;'' and ``citizens sometimes feel frustrated that they are 
being treated as adversaries rather than welcome participants in the 
NEPA process.''
    While deficiencies with the NEPA process were identified, the 
report contains no specific recommendations for change. Why?
    Answer. On the occasion of the 25th anniversary of the National 
Environmental Policy Act (NEPA), CEQ initiated a study to examine the 
effectiveness of NEPA and prospects for improvements in the NEPA 
process. In January 1997, CEQ released the findings of this study, 
``The National Environmental Policy Act: A Study of its Effectiveness 
After 25 Years'' (hereinafter referred to as the NEPA Effectiveness 
Study).
    To summarize briefly the findings of the Study; first, NEPA works. 
Agencies must now take a ``hard look'' at the environmental 
consequences of proposed actions before they make a final decision. 
They must consult with other federal agencies and tell the public what 
they are proposing to do, invite public views on their proposals, and 
respond to those views. NEPA also calls for agencies to tell state, 
local, and tribal governments of their plans, and provides agencies 
with a mechanism to coordinate overlapping jurisdictional 
responsibilities. In large part due to NEPA, federal agencies today are 
better informed about the consequences of their actions on communities 
and are more likely to take community views into consideration. Used 
well, agency implementation of NEPA reduces conflict and saves scarce 
resources.
    Despite these successes, however, as you noted, NEPA's 
implementation at times has fallen short of its goals. In some cases, 
the NEPA process takes too long and costs too much. Agencies produce 
documents that are overly long and sometimes too technical for most 
people to use. Training for agency officials, particularly senior 
officials, is at times inadequate. Some agencies confuse the purpose of 
NEPA, acting as if the detailed statement called for in the statute is 
an end in itself, rather than a tool to enhance and improve decision 
making.
    The purpose of the NEPA Effectiveness Study was not to provide a 
detailed blueprint for change, but to give an overall assessment of the 
statute and to provide a starting point for our reinvention efforts. 
Instead detailed recommendations will be forthcoming as part of our 
NEPA Reinvention effort.
    CEQ believes that many of the deficiencies identified in the 
application of NEPA can be corrected through improvements in agency's 
NEPA processes. The first phase of the our Reinvention effort focuses 
on the grazing, timber, and oil and gas sectors to determine what types 
of process changes can be effected to increase the efficiency of NEPA. 
If we find barriers that require regulatory change, we will pursue such 
changes.
    Question. Will it be up to the individual agencies to devise 
improvements to the way they carry out the NEPA process? What guidance 
will CEQ provide to the agencies to streamline and improve the process, 
and what exactly will CEQ's role be in improving NEPA's effectiveness?
    Answer. Inasmuch as each agency has different missions and 
different planning processes, it is unlikely that a ``one-size-fits-
all'' approach from CEQ would be productive. It is more likely to be 
successful if agencies understand the opportunities for improvement and 
make those improvements within the context of their own mission.
    Agencies are currently responsible for their NEPA compliance and 
their management of the NEPA process. Improvements will necessarily 
come from within. Reforms can be institutionalized in each agency's 
NEPA procedures, and CEQ is encouraging all the agencies to review 
their procedures with an eye toward streamlining. CEQ will consult with 
each agency as they review their NEPA procedures.
    Question. Two years ago, you testified that one of your priorities 
was reinvention of the NEPA process, including cutting processing time 
and consultation time. What specific improvements--such as the numbers 
of duplicative or inconsistent regulations which have been eliminated--
have been made in the last two years?
    Answer. One of the most important steps in this regard was the 
elimination of duplication between the processes for complying with 
NEPA and the Endangered Species Act for Habitat Conservation Plans 
(HCP's). These are plans that permit landowners to conduct certain 
activities over a long period of time, with the certainty and stability 
of a site-specific tailored agreement. Previously, applicants were 
going through two separate processes to comply with the two statutes. 
This resulted in duplicative analyses and public hearings for the same 
actions. This duplication has now been eliminated, significantly 
reducing permit processing time for private applicants. In fact, even 
the most complex HCP can now be completed in under ten months.
    CEQ has also expended considerable effort in working with the Food 
and Drug Administration (FDA) over the past two years to streamline 
their NEPA process and reduce unnecessary submissions. According to the 
FDA, the changes being made as a result of that effort will result in 
an annual cost savings to industry of approximately $15.7 million, as 
well as improve FDA efficiency by eliminating unnecessary agency review 
costs of approximate $1 million. Equally important is that the 
regulations do not compromise the FDA's efforts to promote NEPA's 
policies and goals for better, more informed decision making.
    Similarly, CEQ worked with the Department of Energy (DOE) as they 
developed proposed revisions to their NEPA regulations. DOE's final 
rule includes several streamlining features such as: establishing new 
categorical exclusions; expanding existing categorical exclusions; and 
eliminating the preparation of extensive documentation prior to 
preparation of an environmental impact statement (EIS). In consultation 
with CEQ, DOE simplified public notification requirements and 
streamlined the requirements for the content of Findings of No 
Significant Impact. These changes, and others like them, focus 
available resources on significant environmental issues, and reduce 
costs and staff time while ensuring the environmental assessment 
process is useful to decisionmakers and the public.
    CEQ is currently working with the Air Force to find streamlining 
opportunities. One clear opportunity to save time and money is to 
eliminate the necessity to have public hearings instead of informal 
public meetings. We have pointed out to the Air Force that public 
hearings are more expensive and not required by CEQ regulations. We are 
also reviewing additional categorical exclusions which will reduce the 
amount of documentation associated with Air Force NEPA compliance. We 
are also jointly exploring opportunities for integrating analytical 
requirements, eliminating duplication of effort. We expect that these 
revised regulations will be final this summer.
    As you may recall, CEQ and the Federal Highway Administration 
(FHWA) cosponsored a conference in 1995 which focused on methods to 
streamline the NEPA process used in the development of highway 
projects. As a result of this very productive conference, the 
Department of Transportation (DOT) is developing a proposed rulemaking 
that will link NEPA and its principles to DOT's decision making 
process. The proposed rules will affect the Federal Highway 
Administration (FHWA), the Federal Railroad Administration (FRA), the 
Federal Transit Administration (FTA) and the Coast Guard. The objective 
of these DOT agencies is to develop a single NEPA regulation that will 
reduce paperwork, streamline and expedite transportation planning and 
decision making, and lead to one overall public interest decision that 
integrates social, economic and environmental effects and 
considerations, including economic development, health and 
environmental protection and community and neighborhood sustainability.
    CEQ is also working with other agencies as they amend their NEPA 
procedures, including the Department of Housing and Urban Development 
and the U.S. Army. I want to reiterate that CEQ will continue to take 
advantage of these reinvention opportunities but we hope to institute 
even more sweeping changes through our NEPA Reinvention initiative.
    Question. What specifically do you anticipate to be accomplished 
this year through the new NEPA reinvention initiative?
    Answer. We have already begun a process to examine current NEPA 
practices with regard to grazing, timber and oil and gas. Federal 
agencies that have responsibilities for NEPA issues in these three 
sectors are working cooperatively to suggest areas where improvements 
can be made.
    As you may know, the lead CEQ staff member on NEPA Reinvention is 
currently on maternity leave. As I mentioned to your staff, CEQ has 
brought on Robert Cunningham to lead our NEPA Reinvention Team. We also 
expect Ms. Mesa to return to resume her work after her leave is 
completed.
    The University of Wyoming will host a conference this week to help 
us identify additional activities we can cooperatively engage in to 
broaden the dialogue and to help us make additional progress. The 
University of Montana, as well, has offered to help us contact 
stakeholders and to use the University as a resource in our project. 
The Western Governors' Association and the Western States' Foundation, 
as well, have expressed interest in working with us to accomplish NEPA 
Reinvention.
    In addition, we are shortly to begin meetings with stakeholders to 
review the product of the initial interagency discussions and to 
solicit stakeholder input. Within several months, we also hope to begin 
discussions with the leadership of the federal agencies with 
responsibilities in our three sectors to educate them about the 
opportunities for reform that we have identified.
    Needless to say we will bring the products of all of these 
discussions with interested Senators and House Members and their 
staffs.
    By the end of this fiscal year we expect to have specific 
recommendations for some significant changes to current NEPA practices 
in the three sectors we have identified as our targets of opportunity--
grazing, timber and oil and gas. The kind of improvements we would 
consider a success would reduce the time necessary to make decisions; 
result in more cooperation between federal agencies; reduce costs; make 
processes more transparent for the user communities; improve public 
participation; as well as other efficiency improvements that are 
identified through the examination of options.
    Question. FEMA has told my staff of their frustration of meeting 
NEPA requirements in projects resulting from Presidentially-declared 
disasters. Staff who administer disaster programs often have limited 
expertise or time to evaluate effectively and document environmental 
considerations. NEPA is often seen as significantly slowing the funding 
and construction of these very critical repair, renovation, rebuilding 
and mitigation projects following disasters. FEMA tells my staff that 
the most important support CEQ can provide to FEMA is guidance on 
measures FEMA can undertake to expedite the NEPA process. What are you 
doing to help FEMA in this regard, and will you report back to the 
Subcommittee on progress made?
    Answer. FEMA recently consulted with CEQ and we provided guidance 
to clarify that a project that has already been categorically excluded 
from NEPA documentation under FEMA's NEPA procedures can proceed 
without further documentation. We are consulting with FEMA regarding 
procedures related to several particular projects, including the Rodeo 
Channel Stabilization in Hesperia, California, the Rolling Hills storm 
drain and slope restoration in Yorba Linda, California, and certain 
projects in Hawaii. In addition, we are reviewing FEMA's NEPA program 
related to disasters generally, so as to identify possible 
opportunities for streamlining. We will be happy to report back to the 
Subcommittee on our progress later this spring.


                       DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY

              Community Development Financial Institutions

STATEMENTS OF:
        JOHN H. HAWKE, JR., UNDER SECRETARY OF TREASURY FOR DOMESTIC 
            AFFAIRS
        KIRSTEN MOY, DIRECTOR

                            opening remarks

    Senator Bond. The second panel consists of Mr. John Hawke, 
the Under Secretary for Domestic Finance with the Department of 
Treasury; and Ms. Kirsten Moy, Director, Community Development 
Financial Institutions Fund Program. The administration's 
budget request for CDFI asks for an increase of $75 million, 
from the $50 million for fiscal year 1997 to $125 million to 
fiscal year 1998, and the President has indicated the intent to 
include increases for a 5-year total to $1 billion.
    This fund was established in the Community Development 
Regulatory Improvement Act in 1994, and to provide equity 
investment grants and loans, and the purpose is to enhance the 
capacity of these institutions to finance economic development 
housing and community development.
    I am concerned about the amount of funding in the CDFI 
request as we have to prioritize and deal with the other 
competing needs I am also concerned that CDFI does not have 
much of a track record. I need to understand to what degree 
leverage investment is being drained from other activities 
serving distressed communities, and how and whether CDFI is 
discouraging traditional financial institutions from opening 
branches and lending in distressed communities.
    I look forward to hearing your testimony.
    Mr. Hawke, I guess if you would begin.

                    STATEMENT OF JOHN H. HAWKE, JR.

    Mr. Hawke. Mr. Chairman, thank you very much for affording 
me the opportunity to make a brief statement in support of the 
community development financial institutions fund. CDFI has 
been a high priority of the President since the time he took 
office. It is a program with great potential for bringing the 
residents of our inner cities into the economic mainstream, an 
effort that I believe is vitally important to all of us.
    The fund's aim is to expand access to credit and financial 
services in poor urban, native American and rural communities, 
areas in which one of the biggest obstacles to economic 
development is a lack of access to private sector capital. 
Access to financial institutions is fundamental to the efforts 
of residents of these economically distressed areas to lift 
themselves out of poverty.
    When CDFI was assigned to the Treasury Department, it was 
established as an independent office reporting to the Under 
Secretary for Domestic Finance. In October 1965, Kirsten Moy 
was brought on board as Director of the fund.
    She brought to the fund a wealth of experience from her 
work as senior vice president of the real estate subsidiary of 
the Equitable Life Assurance Society of the United States, and 
portfolio manager of Equitable's Community Mortgage Fund, a 
pension fund vehicle for investments in affordable housing and 
economic development. I believe that everyone who has observed 
the great skill that she has brought to bear on this task would 
agree that we are extremely fortunate to have her in this 
position.
    In January 1996, CDFI received 268 applications for CDFI 
awards, with requests for funding 10 times the amount 
available. After a rigorous review by the fund, 32 CDFI's were 
selected to receive nearly $37 million in financial and 
technical assistance. The CDFI Fund also received 50 
applications under the Bank Enterprise Award Program, and 38 
banks and thrifts were selected to receive bank enterprise 
awards.
    Last month, the President announced the winners of the 
Presidential Award for Excellence in Microenterprise 
Development to highlight the accomplishment of entrepreneurs in 
this area. The fund has effectively promoted partnerships 
between community-based financial institutions, banks, and 
other private sector sources, leveraging scarce Federal 
resources to attract private dollars into credit-starved 
communities. That, in turn, fosters cooperation and synergy in 
efforts to revive economically distressed areas.
    For example, Senator Bond, in your State, Douglass 
Bankcorp, the oldest African-American owned bank west of the 
Mississippi is receiving $1.9 million in equity and technical 
assistance from the fund to support its expansion to serve 
Kansas City. In partnership with Kansas City Neighborhood 
Alliance, they are developing a comprehensive plan to promote 
affordable housing and small business development to foster 
market activity in low-income neighborhoods.
    In addition, Senator Mikulski, in Maryland the Bank 
Enterprise Award Program helped trigger a $10 million 
investment by NationsBank in the employment opportunities fund, 
which invests in small businesses located in or employing 
residents of the Baltimore empowerment zone.
    In this era of scarce budgetary resources, we must choose 
our priorities carefully and focus on those that have long-term 
payoffs for our economy and our society. The fund is a top 
priority of the President precisely for that reason. It uses a 
very modest amount of Federal funding as a base for attracting 
private capital, and its payoff is in the long-term health of 
our national economy by helping break the cycle of poverty, 
make our Nation more productive, and fostering higher economic 
growth.
    We have been and continue to work diligently to make the 
CDFI and the BEA programs a success.

                           PREPARED STATEMENT

    Mr. Chairman, I appreciate this opportunity to speak to 
you, and Mrs. Moy will now discuss the program in greater 
detail.
    [The statement follows:]

                PREPARED STATEMENT OF JOHN D. HAWKE, JR.

    Mr. Chairman, distinguished members of this Subcommittee, I thank 
you for the opportunity to testify this morning on the President's 
fiscal year 1998 budget request for the Community Development Financial 
Institutions Fund.
    CDFI has been a high priority of the President since taking office. 
It is a program with great potential for bringing the residents of our 
inner cities into the economic mainstream, an effort that I believe is 
vitally important to all of us--no matter where we live or what our 
incomes may be.
    The Fund's aim is to expand access to credit and financial services 
in poor urban, rural and Native American communities, areas in which 
one of the biggest obstacles to economic development is a lack of 
access to private sector capital. Access to financial institutions is 
fundamental to the efforts of residents of these economically 
distressed areas to lift themselves out of poverty.
    When CDFI was assigned to the Treasury Department, it was 
established as an independent office reporting to the Under Secretary 
for Domestic Finance. In October 1995, Kirsten Moy was brought on board 
as Director of the Fund. She brought to the Fund a wealth of experience 
from her work as Senior Vice President of the real estate subsidiary of 
the Equitable Life Assurance Society of the United States and Portfolio 
Manager of Equitable's Community Mortgage Fund, a pension fund vehicle 
for investments in affordable housing and economic development. I 
believe that everyone who has observed the great skill she has brought 
to bear on this task would agree that we are extremely fortunate to 
have her in this position.
    Since it began operating in October 1995, the Fund has already made 
a significant contribution to increasing access to private sector 
capital, by catalyzing interest in this program. In January of 1996, 
CDFI received 268 applications for CDFI awards, with requests for 
funding ten times the amount available. After a rigorous review by the 
Fund, 32 CDFI's were selected to receive nearly $37 million in 
financial and technical assistance. CDFI also received 50 applications 
under the Bank Enterprise Award program, and 38 banks and thrifts were 
selected to receive Bank Enterprise Awards. Last month, the President 
announced the winners of the Presidential Awards for Excellence in 
Microenterprise Development to highlight the accomplishments of 
entrepreneurs in this area.
    The Fund has effectively promoted partnerships between community 
based financial institutions, banks and other private sector sources, 
leveraging scarce Federal resources to attract private dollars into 
credit starved communities. That in turn, fosters cooperation and 
synergy in efforts to revive economically distressed areas. For 
example, Douglass Bancorp, the oldest African-American owned bank west 
of the Mississippi, is receiving an investment from the Fund to support 
its expansion to serve Kansas City, Missouri. In partnership with 
Kansas City Neighborhood Alliance, they are developing a comprehensive 
plan to promote affordable housing and small business development to 
foster market activity in low income neighborhoods. In addition, the 
Bank Enterprise Award program helped trigger a $10 million investment 
by NationsBank in the Employment Opportunities Fund, which invests in 
small businesses located in, or employing residents of the Baltimore 
Empowerment Zone.
    In this era of scarce budgetary resources, we must choose our 
priorities carefully, and focus on those that have long term payoffs 
for our economy and our society. The Fund is a top priority of the 
President precisely for that reason: It uses a very modest amount of 
Federal funding as a base for attracting private capital, and its 
payoff is in the long-term health of our national economy, by helping 
break the cycle of poverty, making our nation more productive and 
fostering higher economic growth. We have been and continue to work 
diligently to make the CDFI and the BEA programs a success.
    Mr. Chairman, members of the Subcommittee, I appreciate this 
opportunity to speak to you today. Ms. Moy will now discuss the program 
in greater detail.

                        STATEMENT OF KIRSTEN MOY

    Senator Bond. Ms. Moy.
    Ms. Moy. Chairman Bond, Senator Mikulski, distinguished 
members of the subcommittee, this is my first opportunity to 
testify before you, and I appreciate it very much.
    The CDFI fund, as you mentioned, was authorized by the 
Riegle Community Development and Regulatory Improvement Act of 
1994, and its purpose was to address the critical problems of 
capital access in urban, rural, and native American 
communities.
    To this committee, the problems of access to capital are 
surely no stranger. Access to capital is an essential 
ingredient for creating and retaining jobs, developing 
affordable housing, revitalizing neighborhoods, and building 
local economies.
    The fund runs two programs. The first of these, the CDFI 
Program, stimulates the creation and expansion of a diverse set 
of private community-based for-profit and not-for-profit 
financial institutions. These CDFI's, as they are known, 
complement the role of traditional financial institutions by 
filling market niches which such institutions are not well 
positioned to serve.
    The CDFI's themselves include a broad range of 
institutions. They include community development banks, 
community development credit unions, loan funds, 
microenterprise funds, community development venture capital 
groups, and these CDFI's provide a wide range of financial 
products and services to distressed urban and rural communities 
and underserved populations. They do not only housing or 
consumer loans, but commercial loans, loans for small business, 
loans for community facilities, and many other things.
    The Bank Enterprise Awards Program, which is designed to 
work hand-in-hand with the CDFI Program, recognizes the key 
role that traditional financial institutions, banks, and 
thrifts, have played in community development lending. They 
complement the CDFI Program by strongly encouraging these 
institutions to support CDFI's, and they also incentivize 
increased lending in distressed communities by these 
organizations.
    Of the institutions recognized in the first round of the 
Bank Enterprise Award Program nearly two-thirds supported 
CDFI's, with a total of nearly $66 million in support. For many 
of these organizations, it was their first effort to support a 
community development financial institution.
    The Treasury Department, we believe, is uniquely situated 
to carry out the CDFI initiative. As the executive branch's 
leading agency in setting financial institutions' policy, the 
Treasury Department is strongly committed to increasing access 
to capital and investment in distressed communities.
    The Department does this through the efforts of the CDFI 
fund, but also through its commitment and the commitment of the 
Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, and the Office of 
Thrift Supervision, to a strong and effective Community 
Reinvestment Act.
    The Treasury Department is also strong in its support of 
Federal tax policy for such efforts as the low income housing 
tax credit.
    During the first year, as Under Secretary Hawke mentioned, 
we received and reviewed 268 applications, undertook a rigorous 
and comprehensive look at all of them, announced the selection 
of 32 CDFI's to receive approximately $37 million in awards, 
and announced the selection of 38 banks and thrifts to receive 
approximately $13 million in bank enterprise awards.
    Just last month in January, President Clinton announced the 
award winners for the Presidential Awards for Excellence in 
Microenterprise Development, a nonmonetary award program 
implemented by the fund which is designed to recognize the best 
in the business of microentrepreneurship, a growing phenomenon 
in the United States.
    I would like to remind the committee that in the midst of 
all these activities, the fund, as a startup organization, also 
managed the challenge of developing almost from the ground up 
internal controls, financial management systems, monitoring and 
evaluation functions, and a host of other organizational 
development issues. These systems we feel are critical to 
ensure the effective use of scarce public resources.
    Though the fund is young, its impact can already be seen. I 
believe that the fund has been proven particularly effective in 
six areas: Leveraging of private resources, forging linkages 
with the financial services industry, creating viable self-
sustaining institutions that will not need to be assisted or 
subsidized forever, expanding access to the economic 
mainstream, restoring healthy marketing activity, and 
catalyzing new community development activity.
    You have already heard Under Secretary Hawke talk about 
initiatives in Kansas City and in Baltimore to forge 
partnerships and restore healthy market activity. Let me 
mention a few more examples.
    The fund's ability to leverage private sector funds in 
distressed communities is truly dramatic. The fund first of all 
requires, at a minimum, that every dollar awarded under the 
CDFI Program be matched by at least $1 of non-Federal moneys. 
But it does not stop there. In the near term over the next 2 to 
3 years, the $37 million awarded to CDFI's will, in our 
conservative estimate, leverage three to four times the amount 
of the original awards.
    Over the long term, the fund's investments are expected to 
support lending and investment in these communities of 10 to 20 
times the amount awarded.
    The CDFI fund is very focused on creating viable, self-
sustaining institutions. The Vermont Community Loan Fund, for 
example, which is a relatively small organization at $2.5 
million of assets, finances housing, small business, and 
community facilities.
    Very importantly, the Vermont Community Loan Fund, through 
its good business practices and track record, has achieved 
notable success in attracting investments from a diverse array 
of private sector players, including individuals, religious 
institutions, foundations, and corporations. The fund's 
investment in Vermont will help the loan fund build on its 
record to expand its services to communities across the State.
    The CDFI fund is also focused on catalyzing new activity, 
we seek to use our scarce resources to jump-start new 
initiatives, not permanently subsidize them. For example, the 
fund's investment of a $1 million loan in Tlingit-Haida 
Regional Housing in Alaska will begin home mortgage lending in 
Alaska's three urban areas. These will be among the first 
sources of mortgage loans that are available and affordable to 
lower-income Alaska Natives.
    I see my time is up.

                           PREPARED STATEMENT

    Senator Bond. Ms. Moy, we will be delighted to make your 
full statement a part of the record, and we apologize if we 
have run longer than we intended.
    [The statement follows:]

                  PREPARED STATEMENT OF KIRSTEN S. MOY

    Chairman Bond, Senator Mikulski, and distinguished members of the 
Subcommittee, I would like to thank you for the opportunity to testify 
this morning on the President's fiscal year 1998 budget request for the 
Community Development Financial Institutions (CDFI) Fund which is 
within the U.S. Department of the Treasury. The President's budget 
requests $1 billion over the course of the next five years for the CDFI 
Fund. In fiscal year 1998, the request proposes $125 million to support 
the Fund's initiatives.
    The CDFI Fund, which was authorized by the Riegle Community 
Development and Regulatory Improvement Act of 1994, was created to 
address the critical problems of urban, rural and Native-American 
communities that lack access to capital. Access to capital is an 
essential ingredient for creating and retaining jobs, developing 
affordable housing, revitalizing neighborhoods, and building local 
economies. Over the past decade, much evidence has been presented that 
there are significant capital gaps in distressed communities. Given the 
unique character of the credit market in low-income communities, this 
market niche is often not recognized or well understood--making it 
difficult for conventional market players to meet the needs of this 
market without local partners. Thus, in many communities, needed 
financial products and services may be entirely lacking or may not be 
available or offered at prices that low-income people can afford.
    The CDFI Fund represents a new direction for community development 
initiatives. It leverages limited public resources to invest in and 
build the capacity of private sector institutions to finance community 
development needs in distressed communities. The Fund's efforts are 
designed to help turn dysfunctional markets in distressed communities 
into well functioning local economies--thereby stemming the tide of 
disinvestment and creating economic opportunity for residents. The Fund 
accomplishes its mission by working with community based financial 
institutions and conventional banks and thrifts. The partnerships 
formed by these players will play a key role in helping to restore the 
functioning of distressed markets, enhance capital access for these 
communities, and enable them to join the economic mainstream. The 
Fund's investments are targeted to organizations that emphasize market 
discipline and performance as a strategy for restoring markets.
    The Treasury Department is uniquely situated to carry out this 
initiative. As the Executive Branch's lead agency in setting financial 
institutions policy, the Treasury Department is strongly committed to 
increasing access to capital and investment in distressed communities. 
The Department does this through the efforts of the CDFI Fund, its 
commitment and the commitment of the Office of the Comptroller of the 
Currency and Office of Thrift Supervision to a strong and effective 
Community Reinvestment Act, and Federal tax policy including strong 
support for the Low Income Housing Tax Credit. Nearly seventy-percent 
of the Fund's awardees under the CDFI and Bank Enterprise Award 
Programs are credit unions, banks, thrifts, or bank holding companies. 
The commitment of the Department to integrate distressed communities 
into the greater financial services industry and the economic 
mainstream is key to future viability of neglected and disinvested 
neighborhoods.

                       FIRST YEAR ACCOMPLISHMENTS

    Calendar year 1996, the first full year of the Fund's operations, 
was a very exciting and significant year:
  --In January, the Fund received 268 applications for the CDFI Program 
        and more than 50 applications for the Bank Enterprise Award 
        Program in response to its interim regulations and Notices of 
        Funds Availability issued in October 1995.
  --The Fund undertook a rigorous review process of the CDFI Program 
        applicants including a thorough analysis of an applicant's 
        financial and programmatic track record, financial strength and 
        stability, management capacity, business development strategy, 
        matching funds, and projected community development impact.
  --Secretary Rubin announced the CDFI Fund's selection of 32 CDFI's to 
        receive nearly $37 million in financial and technical 
        assistance.
  --Secretary Rubin announced the CDFI Fund's selection of 38 banks and 
        thrifts to receive $13 million in Bank Enterprise Awards.
  --In January 1997, President Clinton announced the award winners for 
        the Presidential Awards for Excellence in Microenterprise 
        Development, a non-monetary award program implemented by the 
        Fund which is designed to recognize the best in the business of 
        entrepreneurship.
  --In the midst of these activities, the Fund also managed the 
        challenges of starting up a new organization including 
        developing financial systems, internal controls, monitoring and 
        evaluation functions, and other organization development 
        issues. As a new organization, the Fund has built many of its 
        management systems virtually from the ground up, or has been in 
        the process of converting transitional, temporary systems to 
        permanent ones, and creating and refining needed control 
        systems. These systems are critical to ensure effective use of 
        scarce public resources.

                            NEED AND IMPACT

    The capital needs of urban, rural and Native-American communities 
are indeed great--but very difficult to quantify. I believe that the 
dramatic response of the private sector to the initiatives of the Fund 
provide a clear illustration of the vast unmet capital needs. In its 
first funding round, the Fund received 268 applications for the CDFI 
Program from community based organizations in need of investment 
capital and technical assistance. The requests for funding exceeded 
$300 million--approximately 10 times the amount of resources initially 
made available for the first funding round. It should be noted that 
applicants that submitted requests represent only a portion of the 
universe of organizations that are likely to be eligible for the 
program and represent only those communities that are fortunate enough 
to have a community based financial institution. The Fund also received 
applications from over 50 banks and thrifts--an excellent start for a 
program relatively unknown among the banking industry.
    Although the Fund is young, its impact can already be seen. The 
Fund has proven effective in leveraging resources, forging linkages 
with the financial services industry, creating viable self sustaining 
institutions, expanding access to the economic mainstream, restoring 
healthy market activity, and catalyzing new community development 
activity.

Leveraging Private Resources

    The Fund's ability to leverage private sector funds into distressed 
communities is dramatic. The Fund requires, at a minimum, that every 
dollar awarded through the CDFI Program be matched by at least one 
dollar of non-Federal monies. In the near term--over the next two-to-
three years--the $37 million in equity and debt capital awarded to 
CDFI's will conservatively leverage three-to-four times the original 
awards. Over the long term, the Fund's investments are expected to 
support lending and investment of 10-to-20 times the amount awarded.
    Self-Help of North Carolina is a national leader in community 
development finance. Yesterday, the Fund executed a $3 million grant to 
Self-Help. Over the next five years, it is conservatively projected 
that the CDFI Fund's grant and matching funds will enable Self-Help to 
provide more than $100 million to finance affordable housing and small 
business loans over and above what they could have done without the 
Fund's assistance.

Forging Linkages with the Financial Services Industry

    In a short period of time, the Fund has been successful in forging 
key partnerships between banks, thrifts and CDFI's through the Bank 
Enterprise Awards Program. The $13.1 million in Bank Enterprise Awards 
generated nearly $66 million in equity investments and other financial 
support to CDFI's. In addition, the program generated $60 million in 
direct lending and financial services in some of the nation's most 
distressed neighborhoods. For example, the Bank Enterprise Award 
Program helped catalyze a $10 million investment by NationsBank in the 
Employment Opportunities Fund which invests in small businesses located 
in or that employ residents of the Baltimore Empowerment Zone.
Creating Viable Self-Sustaining Institutions
    The Fund is distinctive from many other Federal initiatives because 
it focuses on the development of viable, self-sustaining institutions 
to carry out the work of financing community development. The Vermont 
Community Loan Fund, a small organization that finances housing, small 
businesses and community facilities, has achieved notable success in 
attracting investments from a diverse array of individuals, religious 
institutions, foundations, and corporations. The Fund's investment will 
help the Vermont loan fund build on its highly successful track record, 
expand its services to communities across the state, and provide new 
investment in Burlington's Old North End Enterprise Community where 
over thirty-percent of its residents live in poverty.

Expanding Access to the Economic Mainstream

    The activities of the First American Credit Union illustrates how 
the Fund's resources will help bring under served communities into the 
economic mainstream. The credit union, which serves Native-American 
reservations throughout Arizona, New Mexico and Utah, provides basic 
financial services. These basic financial services include checking and 
savings accounts and consumer and home improvement loans--for people 
that otherwise would have no access to these services. The Fund's 
assistance will be used to expand lending and introduce ATM services to 
rural, sparsely-settled low-income communities.
Restoring Healthy Market Activity
    Douglass Bancorporation, the oldest African-American owned bank 
west of the Mississippi, will receive an investment from the Fund to 
support its expansion to serve Kansas City, Missouri. Douglass, in 
partnership with the Kansas City Neighborhood Alliance, has developed a 
comprehensive plan to restore healthy market activity to low-income 
neighborhoods by promoting affordable housing and small business 
development.

Catalyzing New Activity

    The Fund's philosophy is to use its scarce resources to catalyze 
and jump start new initiatives--rather than permanently subsidize them. 
For example, with the Fund's investment of a $1 million loan, Tlingit-
Haida Regional Housing will begin home mortgage lending in Alaska's 
three urban areas. This will be among the first sources of mortgage 
loans that are affordable to low-income Alaska Natives in these 
markets.
                    SUMMARY OF FIRST FUNDING ROUNDS

    The CDFI's selected to receive investment from the Fund represent a 
broad array of institutional types--both non-profit and for-profit--and 
provide a broad range of financial products and services including 
consumer loans, affordable housing loans and investments, small 
business development, and community facilities such as day care and 
health care facilities. The group of selected CDFI's serve communities 
in 46 states and the District of Columbia. Approximately half of these 
initiatives serve predominantly urban areas, 25-percent serve 
predominantly rural areas, and the balance serve a combination of both. 
Twenty-four of the 32 awardees serve an Empowerment Zone or Enterprise 
Community.
    Through the Bank Enterprise Award Program, the Fund has made awards 
to 38 banks and thrifts located in 18 states and the District of 
Columbia that ranged in asset size from a small community bank of $21 
million to a major money-center bank of $320 billion. The awardees 
include national banks, Federal savings banks or thrifts, state-
chartered commercial banks, and one state chartered mutual saving bank.
            the president's fiscal year 1998 budget request
    The President and Secretary Rubin strongly support the increased 
funding for the CDFI Fund. The $125 million requested for fiscal year 
1998 is proposed to be allocated as follows: $80 million to be invested 
to support CDFI's; $40 million for the Bank Enterprise Awards Program; 
and $5 million for administrative related costs. Most of the $80 
million to be used to support CDFI's will be invested directly in such 
institutions in the form of equity investment, loans, capital grants, 
and deposits. As part of its provision of assistance to CDFI's, the 
CDFI Fund intends to launch an important training initiative which will 
significantly enhance the capacity of private sector organizations to 
provide a full range of training and technical assistance services to 
CDFI's at affordable prices. In addition, a new secondary market 
initiative that the Fund will implement has the potential to leverage 
substantial new sources of private capital to support CDFI's.

                             CDFI PROJECTS

    Senator Bond. I am going to turn to Senator Mikulski for 
questions after asking just one question to begin. We have 
heard all of these glowing reports. It is no surprise to me 
that everybody is anxious and making applications for funds, 
but--maybe my staff is not up to date--I do not find any 
evidence that a single dollar of the $32 million in CDFI funds 
has actually been obligated or leveraged on a single project. 
Has anything happened yet on this?
    Ms. Moy. Indeed it has, Senator. First of all, the money 
has all been obligated.
    Senator Bond. I mean, has any money gone out to a project? 
Has it been spent?
    Ms. Moy. Yes.
    Senator Bond. Is something happening?
    Ms. Moy. First of all, we run two programs, Senator, so 
that in the Bank Enterprise Award Program, which is a very 
important program, 75 percent of our moneys have actually been 
disbursed in that program to the participating banks, who have 
already completed their activities and who have already showed 
the impact of what they have done.
    Under the CDFI Program, we have closed one transaction to 
Self-Help in North Carolina for $3 million. We have spent the 
first year putting the systems and procedures in place to make 
sure that as we disburse this money we can monitor the impact 
and trace the actual use of the moneys.
    We now have in place our infrastructure to disburse these 
moneys. For instance, we have all the appropriate legal 
documents. In the next 4 to 6 weeks we expect to disburse all 
of the money that we can to organizations that are ready to 
receive them, which is approximately one-half of the 
organizations.
    Senator Bond. So you are saying no money under CDFI has 
actually gone out.
    Senator Mikulski.
    Senator Mikulski. Mr. Hawke, good morning. Ms. Moy, first a 
cordial welcome to you from the committee.
    I would like to just say, looking at your background, that 
we are very fortunate to have someone of such strong private 
sector experience managing the CDFI fund. I know that the whole 
issue of access to credit for low-income communities has been 
part of my life for more than 30 years, and yet, at the same 
time, I had enormous skepticism about creating the CDFI fund.
    Just very quickly, when I was a young social worker in 
Baltimore I helped start a credit union in an African-American 
community. Of course, all they had was the opportunity to 
borrow money from, really, street-corner or store-front usury 
programs. Then, working as a city councilwoman and then a 
Congresswoman, I dealt with the red-lining provisions, and then 
came the famous Community Reinvestment Act.
    When the CDFI fund was proposed, my question was, why do we 
need this? Why don't we just push the big banks to do community 
reinvestment, that was the big concern, rather than create new 
Government entities where we played banker, instead of letting 
the banks who know how to be banks be banks in communities.
    Do you follow all that?
    Ms. Moy. Yes; I think so.
    Senator Mikulski. Now, you present this really excellent 
testimony, and I have been looking at the WEB Program, the 
Women Entrepreneur Program in Baltimore, as well as the 
NationsBank effort to work with the Baltimore empowerment zone.
    Could you just tell me very briefly, because we must move 
ahead. Your testimony essentially answers many of the fears and 
concerns that I had. But if you could: These issues of linkage, 
leverage, and availability to people, like $6,000 level loans 
for women, could you tell me how this actually worked in 
Baltimore? Maybe take one of those projects on linkage and 
leverage, and tell me why the Community Reinvestment Act would 
not have met that need, or are we playing bank when maybe we 
should pursue other options?
    Ms. Moy. Those are excellent questions, and they are truly 
intertwined. The whole concept of CDFI's is that they are 
specialized, private institutions that fill niches that 
traditional financial institutions cannot fill.
    Why can't these banks fill these niches? It would be too 
easy to say that they simply do not want to do it, though in 
some cases that is true.
    Capital gaps often arise not because of risk or return, and 
not even perception. They arise for very nitty-gritty reasons 
and for very unglamorous reasons. For instance, the size of a 
transaction--you mentioned the $6,000 loan. It is not economic 
for most traditional financial institutions to make investments 
in that size because of their infrastructure and because of 
their overhead.
    Size is a common problem. Volume is a common problem. 
Financial institutions look to cookie-cutter their investments 
in order to do large volumes, which improves their profit 
margins. This is not possible with many types of community 
development loans, I have found. I have not been at it as long 
as you, Senator, but I am older than I look, and I have been at 
it for some 20 years.
    Senator Mikulski. I am not. [Laughter.]
    Ms. Moy. In the 20 years that I have been doing this in the 
private sector, I have been able repeatedly to build products 
for my company that capitalized precisely on those capital 
gaps, areas they could not serve well.
    I think the real way to make an impact is to push banks to 
do as much as they possibly can, and to work in partnership 
with CDFI's to cover the areas that they cannot.
    In virtually every instance, our CDFI's are working with 
traditional banks, and with the Bank Enterprise Award Program, 
many of them are beginning to get more support from these banks 
than they ever have.
    Senator Mikulski. So you are not in lieu of the bank?
    Ms. Moy. Oh, absolutely not. I think the private sector 
works because people specialize. People do what they do best, 
and that is what they should be doing in the private market 
system. Our CDFI's in many cases are second to none in 
delivering certain types of credit.
    In many cases, they develop an innovative product, show the 
private sector how to do it. And there are actually banks that 
are beginning to do small amounts of microenterprise lending, 
based on some of the models that have been pioneered by the 
CDFI's. The fund made a $450,000 grant to FINCA, which is a 
microenterprise organization working in Washington, DC, and in 
Baltimore. FINCA works with different local community-based 
organizations, one of them being WEB, and they have pioneered 
the peer lending----
    Senator Mikulski. Which is the Women Entrepreneurs Program.
    Ms. Moy. In Baltimore, exactly, with a peer lending model, 
and they are adapting that international model, which has had 
so much success overseas, to the domestic market, and WEB is 
one of the first groups they are working with.
    Senator Mikulski. What do they do?
    Ms. Moy. In this country, microenterprise groups do not do 
just lending. They provide significant amounts of technical 
assistance. They do a lot of handholding. They train people in 
sound business practices. They help them actually startup their 
businesses. They provide peer and other group support to small 
organizations, which inevitably run into challenges during 
their first year, and they are there to provide additional 
capital as these organizations grow.
    Mr. Hawke. If I could add just one comment, Senator 
Mikulski, the CDFI fund also functions to leverage private 
capital from sources other than ordinary banking institutions, 
so it does tap into a broader range of leveraging.
    Senator Mikulski. Like what?
    Ms. Moy. Individuals, religious organizations, 
corporations, foundations.
    Senator Mikulski. Well, thank you. I look forward to 
learning more about this. I know that my time has expired. You 
have answered many of my questions. I mean, my questions first 
of all about the CDFI fund. This is why these hearings are so 
important.
    I knew WEB was important, and I knew NationsBank was coming 
into Baltimore, but they needed a trade group, a channel, a 
fiscal channel to get the resources down to the right level. 
The reason WEB is working is not only because of the money, but 
the technical assistance. A local credit union in a church 
might be able to give microloans, but they would not have done 
the technical assistance for someone who might be opening a 
home-based business like sewing and alterations.
    Ms. Moy. Yes; many of them are in home-based businesses, 
actually.
    Senator Mikulski. I really look forward to learning more 
about it. I have a great passion for microenterprise, I've seen 
how it has worked around the world. It really fortifies me to 
hear that it is now working in Baltimore and other communities. 
I think we need to closely monitor this with lessons learned, 
but I think the fact that it is beyond the Community 
Reinvestment Act, which was kind of a mandate, this is really 
helping them fulfill a social responsibility, but in a way that 
is most effective at the street corner or neighborhood level, 
is that right?
    Ms. Moy. That is correct.
    Senator Mikulski. Well, thank you very much.
    Ms. Moy. Thank you, Senator.
    Senator Bond. Thank you, Senator Mikulski.
    I have been very much impressed by the testimony, as 
Senator Mikulski was, but I am very much concerned about the 
performance. As we put out the first $3 million, we will be 
waiting to see if it works.

                         PERFORMANCE STANDARDS

    I am going to have a series of questions about your 
standards, about how we know if it is going to work. You 
present a great vision for something that might work, and 
before we go down the path of building this $50 million to $125 
million to $1 billion, you have got to show me that this thing 
works.
    I mean, nobody can argue with the glowing testimony. It 
sounds great. But there is an awful lot I want to see about how 
this works, what the standards are. I will submit that for the 
record.
    Let me ask you here one nasty little question. How are you 
regulating CDFI to ensure that the funds are being used 
appropriately, that these entities will pose no financial risk 
to the taxpayer, and what happens to a financially troubled 
CDFI?
    Ms. Moy. Senator, I do not regard that as a nasty question. 
I think it is a fundamental question that is a very important 
one.
    The time that we have spent putting systems in place is 
precisely for this reason. I do not think anyone wants another 
program that does not work or has a troubled record. Our 
statute requires us to negotiate with each CDFI a set of 
performance goals that go right into the legal document that 
becomes the legal vehicle by which we award them moneys. They 
are required to report to us quarterly and annually on these 
goals, and we can take sanctions if they do not satisfy them.
    Among the performance goals that are negotiated are 
financial and programmatic goals, and financial covenants of 
various sorts.
    In doing so, the fund is cognizant of the individual needs 
of each organization and how it is different. At the same time, 
we require performance from everyone. The organizations that we 
selected we selected because of their impressive financial 
situation, condition, stability, management capacity and so 
forth.
    Senator Bond. Will you be doing examinations of them?
    Ms. Moy. Absolutely.
    Senator Bond. And Treasury is responsible for that? When it 
goes bad, who do we hang, you? [Laughter.]
    Mr. Hawke. Senator, I am confident that we will be 
insisting on systems being in place to achieve the objectives 
you have right from the beginning of this program.
    Senator Bond. But who do we hang out to dry?
    Mr. Hawke. This is an operation of the Treasury Department, 
Senator Bond.
    Senator Bond. So you are volunteering? You are the one? You 
are the belly button we point at?
    Mr. Hawke. Yes, sir; this is one of our bureaus. We do not 
interfere with the independence of the decisionmaking of the 
CDFI fund, but the one thing that Director Moy and I have 
talked about again and again from the very beginning of this 
program was the need not only to have systems in place to 
assure that the process of making grants was transparent and 
had integrity to it, but that the followup process was 
demanding.
    Senator Bond. You are responsible for what happens if one 
of them gets troubled. What do you do with it?
    Ms. Moy. It depends on why they are in trouble. I mean, it 
is possible for people to get into trouble through no fault of 
their own. When you constantly monitor an organization and look 
at their financials on a quarterly basis, you are generally not 
surprised by things that happen. You see trends.
    The best answer, actually, the best solution is to 
intervene before you have a problem. We certainly do not want 
to be surprised by a problem.
    Senator Bond. I just realized--do you take it over? I tell 
you what. Let me ask that you send me those answers, because we 
do have a series of questions that we would like to find out 
about, the goals, the standards, the performance objectives, 
and I am going to ask our staff, both sides of the staff to 
monitor what is actually happening, and I thank you very much 
for your testimony.
    You present a great vision of what might happen, and we 
want to see that it does.
    Senator Mikulski. And as you can see, there is both support 
and skepticism here. The skepticism is not harsh. We want to 
know what are we getting into, what our obligations are, and 
make sure it is not another hollow opportunity.
    Perhaps in following up with our staffs, you could do it in 
a case example tracing through microenterprise, what happens if 
an individual defaults, what happens if the organization is in 
trouble, et cetera, et cetera. But also, how do you work in the 
first place: The anatomy of the good news, and then what would 
happen if there is bad news. This is asked in a no-fault way, 
but we need to get to know each other.
    Ms. Moy. We would be happy to do that. Thank you, Senator.
    [The information follows:]

                               OBJECT CLASSIFICATION SCHEDULE--DIRECT OBLIGATIONS                               
                                             [Dollars in thousands]                                             
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                                                                                  Fiscal year                   
                                                              --------------------------------------------------
                    Object classification                                        1997 proposed     1998 budget  
                                                                 1996 actual    operating level      estimate   
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Personnel compensation: Permanent positions..................             590            1,500            2,700 
                                                              --------------------------------------------------
      Total personnel compensation...........................             590            1,500            2,700 
                                                              ==================================================
Civilian personnel benefits..................................             137              375              725 
Travel and transportation of persons.........................              97              100              200 
Transportation of things.....................................               8               25                5 
Rent, communications and utilities:                                                                             
    Rental payments to GSA...................................  ...............             340              45O 
    Rental payments to other agencies........................             163              100   ...............
    Communications, utilities and miscellaneous charges......  ...............              80               60 
Printing and reproduction....................................              71               80              100 
Other services...............................................           1,336              975              900 
Supplies.....................................................              48               75               80 
Equipment....................................................             346              350              280 
Grants, subsidies and contributions..........................          46,701           71,000          119,500 
                                                              --------------------------------------------------
      Total obligations......................................          49,497           75,000          125,000 
                                                              ==================================================
Unobligated balance available, SOY...........................         (49,878)         (45,000)         (20,000)
Unobligated balance available, EOY...........................          45,000           20,000           20,000 
Unobligated balance expiring.................................             381   ...............  ...............
                                                              --------------------------------------------------
      Total enacted appropriations and budget estimate.......          45,000           50,000          125,000 
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             ANALYSIS OF FISCAL YEAR 1997 APPROPRIATED LEVEL            
                         [Dollars in thousands]                         
------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                FTE           Amount    
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fiscal year 1997 Proposed Operating                                     
 Level..................................              23         $75,000
Fiscal year 1998 Estimate...............              35         125,000
------------------------------------------------------------------------


                             DIGEST OF FISCAL YEAR 1998 BUDGET ESTIMATES BY ACTIVITY                            
                                             [Dollars in thousands]                                             
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                                                                 Fiscal year      Fiscal year      Fiscal year  
                                                                 1996 actual     1997 proposed     1998 budget  
                       Budget activity                        ----------------- operating level      estimate   
                                                                               ---------------------------------
                                                               FTE    Amount    FTE    Amount    FTE    Amount  
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Management and administration:                                                                                  
    Administrative services..................................  ...     $2,760   ...     $3,650   ...     $4,500 
    Administrative expenses for Direct Loan Program \1\......  ...         35   ...        350   ...      1,000 
                                                              --------------------------------------------------
        Total management and administrative expenses.........  ...      2,795   ...      4,000   ...      5,500 
Assistance to CDFI's (other than direct loans)...............  ...     30,560   ...     43,150   ...     59,500 
Direct loan subsidy..........................................  ...      3,003   ...     12,850   ...     20,000 
Incentives for depository institutions.......................  ...     13,139   ...     15,000   ...     40,000 
                                                              --------------------------------------------------
      Subtotal, operating level..............................  ...     49,497   ...     75,000   ...    125,000 
Unobligated balance available, SOY...........................  ...    (49,878)  ...    (45,000)  ...    (20,000)
Unobligated balance available, EOY...........................  ...     45,000   ...     20,000   ...     20,000 
Unobligated balance expiring.................................  ...        381   ...  ..........  ...  ..........
                                                              ==================================================
      Total enacted appropriations and  budget estimate......   10     45,000    23     50,000    35    125,000 
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
\1\ The amount for fiscal year 1998 is a ``not to exceed'' amount that may be used for administrative expenses  
  for the Direct Loan Program.                                                                                  

                                 ______
                                 
           COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS FUND
       Summary Justification of Fiscal Year 1998 Budget Estimates

                           GENERAL STATEMENT

    The CDFI Fund represents a new direction for community development 
initiatives, by using limited public resources to invest in and build 
the capacity of the private sector to address the community development 
financing needs of distressed urban and rural communities. The CDFI 
Fund's initiatives are designed to unleash large amounts of private 
capital, emphasize private sector market discipline, and take full 
advantage of private sector human talent, energy and creativity. 
Decisions about which specific projects and businesses to finance are 
left to the private sector. The effect of these efforts will be to 
address market inefficiencies which exist in distressed communities, 
restore healthy private market activity, promote entrepreneurship, 
revitalize neighborhoods, generate tax revenues, and empower local 
residents.
    Through the CDFI Program, the CDFI Fund stimulates the creation and 
expansion of a diverse set of specialized, private, for profit and 
nonprofit financial institutions known as community development 
financial institutions (CDFI's). These specialized institutions 
complement the role of traditional financial institutions by filling 
niches in the market which traditional financial institutions are not 
well positioned to serve. CDFI's cover a broad range of institution 
types, such as community development banks, community development 
credit unions, community development loan funds, community development 
venture capital funds, and microenterprise loan funds. They provide a 
wide range of financial products and services to distressed urban and 
rural communities and to low income populations, such as commercial 
loans and investments to start or expand small businesses, loans for 
first time home buyers, loans to rehabilitate rental housing, and loans 
for community facilities. The CDFI Fund will: (1) invest directly in 
CDFI's that satisfy high quality standards and raise private matching 
funds; (2) provide training and technical assistance to improve the 
capacity of CDFI's; and (3) implement secondary market initiatives 
which draw in new sources of private institutional capital to support 
the activities of CDFI's.
    In its first round under the CDFI Program, the CDFI Fund selected 
32 organizations to receive a total of $37.2 million in equity 
investments, loans, capital grants and technical assistance. But this 
barely scratches the surface of what needs to be done to achieve the 
full potential of CDFI's.
    Interest and demand for the CDFI program has dramatically exceeded 
expectations, with requests for assistance last year exceeding $300 
million. The interest demonstrated by the initial pool of applicants, 
plus continued growth and interest in new CDFI formation, indicate the 
dramatic potential for future investment for the CDFI Fund to stimulate 
expansion of the diverse CDFI industry.
    In addition to making increased direct investments in CDFI's, the 
CDFI Fund is planning to take full advantage of the potential of the 
diverse and growing CDFI field by implementing new initiatives to 
expand the Fund's tools for assisting CDFI's, and keeping the Fund on 
the cutting edge of innovation. An important new training initiative 
will significantly enhance the capacity of private sector organizations 
to provide a full range of training and technical assistance services 
to CDFI's at affordable prices. This initiative will emphasize quality 
and market discipline in the training and technical assistance services 
delivered by private sector providers. By using its resources to 
enhance capacity in this way, the CDFI Fund will build on the existing 
marketplace for these services, which will be a much more effective 
approach than if the Fund were to provide these services directly. In 
the long term, this initiative will also help ensure the maximum 
effectiveness of the CDFI Fund's future investments in an increasing 
number of CDFI's.
    While supporting the creation and expansion of new types of 
specialized private financial institutions, the CDFI Fund's programs 
also recognize the key role being played by traditional financial 
institutions--banks and thrifts--in community development lending and 
investing. In recent years, many such traditional financial 
institutions have increased their efforts to lend and invest in 
distressed communities. By offering incentives to such traditional 
financial institutions through its Bank Enterprise Awards (BEA) 
Program, the CDFI Fund builds on these trends and assists traditional 
financial institutions in enhancing their direct community development 
lending, as well as in investing in CDFI's.
    In the first round of the BEA Program, the CDFI Fund made a total 
of $13.1 million in incentive awards to 38 insured depository 
institutions. These awards supported more than $120 million in total 
community development investments by banks and thrifts. By making 
improvements in the program and by engaging in increased outreach to 
the banking and thrift industries, use of the program can be 
dramatically enhanced.
    As a new organization, in addition to refining its programs and 
developing new initiatives, the CDFI Fund is working to develop a full 
set of performance goals, measures and numerical targets in time for 
the fiscal year 1999 budget presentation. Included in this year's 
presentation is some initial thinking on possible performance measures.
                                 ______
                                 
               activity: 1. management and administration
    Functions: Provides management, staff and other services which 
enable the Fund to develop and implement policies and programs, monitor 
investments, and provide support functions for these activities.
    Mission Statement: Management and Administration is intended to 
develop and implement the initiatives of the CDFI Fund with the highest 
possible quality and professionalism to maximize the capacity of the 
Fund to achieve its objectives.

                        [In thousands of dollars]                       
------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                  Fiscal year           
                                     -----------------------------------
                                         1996        1997        1998   
                                        actual     estimate    estimate 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Budget Authority \1\................       2,795       4,000       5,500
------------------------------------------------------------------------
\1\ These amounts include administrative expenses for the Direct Loan   
  Program.                                                              

    Performance Goal: To build a strong staff with skills and 
experience appropriate to the fund's unique activities.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Objective                            Performance measure (indicator)                Type of measure
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Emphasize quality, relevant          Number of staff hired to fill targeted positions that      Output.         
 experience and record of             have the desired skills and professional experience.                      
 achievement in hiring.                                                                                         
                                     Contribution of staff in meeting overall performance       Outcome.        
                                      goals of CDFI Fund through meeting of goals in                            
                                      individual performance plans.                                             
Build a staff reflecting             Number of staff sorted by diversity characteristics......  Output.         
 appropriate diversity that can                                                                                 
 serve as a model for other                                                                                     
 organizations.                                                                                                 
Ongoing training and skills          Number of CDFI Fund staff members that attend training     Output.         
 development of existing staff.       sessions or other educational and developmental                           
                                      opportunities.                                                            
Design and implement system to       Implement internal data collection and retrieval system    Output.         
 evaluate impact of Funds' programs.  on participating CDFI's.                                                  
                                     Design CDFI performance evaluation process and complete    Output.         
                                      paper setting forth approach to long term impact                          
                                      evaluation.                                                               
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

   activities: 2 and 3. assistance to cdfi's (including direct loans)
    Functions: The Fund makes investments in quality CDFI's, by 
providing assistance in the form of equity investments, loans, capital 
grants, and deposits or shares. The form of financial assistance 
depends on the individualized needs of a CDFI as reflected in a 
realistic business plan, consistent with its ability to raise private 
matching funds in a comparable form. The Fund will also assist CDFI's 
through training and technical assistance initiatives, and by providing 
assistance to organizations that enhance the liquidity of CDFI's.
    Mission Statement: Assistance to CDFI's is intended to spur the 
creation and expansion of these specialized private financial 
institutions and to enhance both immediate private sector capacity to 
address community development financing needs in distressed 
communities, as well as to strengthen the long term capacity of these 
institutions to serve such needs and help restore healthy private 
market activity in distressed communities.

                                             [Dollars in thousands]                                             
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                                                    Fiscal year                 
                                                                 -----------------------------------------------
                                                                    1996 actual    1997 estimate   1998 estimate
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Budget Authority (Other than Direct Loans)......................         $30,560         $43,150         $59,500
Budget Authority (Direct Loan Subsidy) \1\......................          $3,003         $12,850         $20,000
Direct Loan Level \2\...........................................          $6,660         $33,316         $52,521
Direct Loan Subsidy Rates \3\ (Percentage)......................           45.09           38.57           38.08
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
\1\ For fiscal year 1997 and fiscal year 1998 these are upper limits. The actual mix between loans and other    
  forms of financial assistance will depend on the individualized needs of CDFI's as reflected in realistic     
  business plans, consistent with their ability to raise private matching funds in a comparable form.           
\2\ For fiscal year 1997 and fiscal year 1998 these are upper limits, based on the assumed direct loan subsidy  
  rate.                                                                                                         
\3\ The 45.5 percent subsidy rate for fiscal year 1996 that appears in the President's fiscal year 1998 Budget  
  should actually be 45.09 percent.                                                                             

    Performance Goal: To strengthen and expand the network of private 
financial institutions to address the community development financing 
needs of distressed urban and rural communities and underserved 
populations.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Objective                           Performance measure (indicator)                Type of measure 
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
To increase the cumulative number   Number of CDFI's which receive financial assistance from  Output.           
 of CDFI's to which the Fund         the CDFI Fund which have not previously received such                      
 provides financial assistance       assistance.                                                                
 while maintaining high quality                                                                                 
 standards and promoting diversity.                                                                             
                                    Cumulative number and percent of participating CDFI's by  Output.           
                                     geographic region, institution type, urban v. rural                        
                                     focus.                                                                     
To implement a secondary market     Issuance of regulations and Notification of Funding       Output.           
 initiative to bring increased       Availability (NOFA).                                                       
 liquidity for CDFI's.                                                                                          
To implement effective training     Number of participants in training and technical          Output.           
 and technical assistance            assistance programs.                                                       
 initiatives which enhance the                                                                                  
 capacity of CDFI's now and in the                                                                              
 future.                                                                                                        
                                    Number of CDFI's which report improved capacity as a      Output and        
                                     result of participating in training and technical         outcome.         
                                     assistance programs.                                                       
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

          activity: 4. incentives for depository institutions
    Functions: Through the Bank Enterprise Awards (BEA) Program, the 
Fund makes cash awards to banks and thrifts that increase their 
community development lending, investment, and provision of financial 
services. The Fund will use up to one-third of program funds for BEA. 
All insured banks and thrifts are eligible to participate.
    Mission Statement: The BEA Program is intended to provide 
incentives and rewards which assist traditional financial institutions 
in prudently enhancing their activities in distressed urban and rural 
communities, by direct lending and investing and also by investing in 
CDFI's.

                                            [In thousands of dollars]                                           
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                                                    Fiscal year                 
                                                                 -----------------------------------------------
                                                                    1996 actual    1997 estimate   1998 estimate
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Budget Authority................................................          13,139          15,000          40,000
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Performance Goal: To increase the general effectiveness and 
community development impact of the Bank Enterprise Award (BEA) 
Program.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Objective                            Performance measure (indicator)                Type of measure
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Simplify and reform regulation to    Incremental and cumulative number of awards..............  Output.         
 improve program participation.                                                                                 
                                     Reforms proposed.........................................  Output.         
                                     Incremental and cumulative dollars awarded...............  Output.         
Develop and propose legislative      Legislative improvements proposed........................  Output.         
 improvements to the program.                                                                                   
Expand the awareness of the BEA      Implementation of effective outreach program to            Outcome.        
 program by working with the          appropriate regulatory entities, trade associations and                   
 appropriate regulators and trade     others as appropriate.                                                    
 associations.                                                                                                  
                                     Number of applicants in program..........................  Output.         
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                       DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY
       Community Development Financial Institutions Fund Programs
                             federal funds
    General and Special Funds:
    For grants, loans and technical assistance to qualifying community 
development lenders, and administrative expenses of the Fund, 
$125,000,000, to remain available until September 30, 1999, of which 
$20,000,000 may be used for the cost of direct loans, and up to 
$1,000,000 may be used for administrative expenses to carry out the 
direct loan program: Provided, That the cost of direct loans, including 
the cost of modifying such loans, shall be defined as in section 502 of 
the Congressional Budget Act of 1974: Provided further, That these 
funds are available to subsidize gross obligations for the principal 
amount of direct loans not to exceed $53,000,000: Provided further, 
That not more than $40,000,000 of the funds made available under this 
heading may be used for programs and activities authorized in section 
114 of the Community Development Banking and Financial Institutions Act 
of 1994.

                     Additional committee questions

    Senator Bond. Thank you very much, Ms. Moy and Mr. Hawke.
    [The following questions were not asked at the hearing, but 
were submitted to the Institutions for response subsequent to 
the hearing:]
                  Questions Submitted by Senator Bond
                no track record and rushing the product
    Question. The President's Budget is requesting a substantial 
increase (150 percent in the funding for the CDFI Fund including the 
CDFI program and the Bank Enterprise Act) from $50 million in fiscal 
year 1997 to $125 million in fiscal year 1998, with an overall target 
of $1 billion by fiscal year 2002. This is a substantial increase for a 
new program, especially a new program without a proven track record or 
any experience. How do you justify this large increase?
    Answer. The requested increase in funding is justified by the great 
demand and need for the types of assistance provided by the CDFI Fund. 
The dramatic response to the CDFI Program during its first funding 
round provides an illustration--and good proxy--of the demand and unmet 
needs for the Fund's products. The Fund received 268 applications for 
the CDFI Program from organizations in need of investment capital and 
technical assistance. The requests for funding exceeded $300 million--
approximately 10 times the amount of resources initially made 
available. The applicants that submitted requests represented only a 
portion of the universe that are likely to be eligible for assistance. 
Moreover, the Fund has received inquiries from a substantial number of 
groups expressing interest in the formation of new CDFI's. Finally, it 
should be noted that because of limited resources available to the 
Fund, those applicants that received funding received, on average, only 
60 percent of the amount requested.

                      CURRENTLY AVAILABLE FUNDING

    Question. I understand that the CDFI Fund actually obligated 
approximately $37.2 million for the CDFI program and approximately 
$13.1 million for the Bank Enterprise Act (BEA) program. How much 
additional funding does the CDFI Fund currently have available for 
funding new awards during fiscal year 1997 and when does the CDFI Fund 
plan to make this funding available?
    Answer. For funding new awards during fiscal year 1997, the Fund 
currently has available $95 million in appropriated funds. The Fund 
recently published notices in the Federal Register for its second 
funding rounds of the CDFI Program and the BEA Program (see Attachments 
1a and 1b). The CDFI Program notices indicate that the Fund intends to 
make available up to $40 million for this program which is expected to 
be fully obligated by September 30, 1997.
    By the summer, the Fund plans to issue funds availability notices 
for funding rounds for training (authorized pursuant to Section 103 of 
the Riegle Community Development and Regulatory Improvement Act of 1994 
(Public Law 103-325)) and for a secondary market initiative (authorized 
pursuant to Section 119 of the Riegle Community Development and 
Regulatory Improvement Act of 1994) totaling approximately $20 million. 
The Fund anticipates obligating the funds for these two new initiatives 
by the end of calendar year 1997.
    As required by the Fund's authorizing statute, one-third of all 
appropriated program monies must be made available under the BEA 
Program. Thus, the Fund must make available $30 million for the BEA 
Program. On March 7, 1997, the Fund published a notice in the Federal 
Register announcing the availability of $16.25 million for the second 
funding round of the BEA Program. However, if requests exceed $16.25 
million during the second funding round, the Fund intends to obligate 
as much of the $30 million as possible by September 30, 1997. The 
balance of the unobligated BEA monies will be rolled over into next 
funding round which is expected to be announced in the Federal Register 
in October 1997.
    Question. In addition, the testimony seems clear that not a single 
dollar of the $37.2 million in CDFI program funds have actually been 
obligated or leveraged on a single project or activity. If this is 
true, how do you measure the success of the CDFI program for which 
there is not data?
    Answer. The Fund has obligated $37.2 million in equity investments, 
grants and loans under the CDFI Program and disbursed or initiated 
disbursements of $13.6 million--or 37 percent--of such obligated funds. 
The Fund expects to disburse nearly all of its fiscal year 1995 monies 
by September 30, 1997. The Fund is working diligently to disburse the 
remaining awards as expeditiously as possible after the Fund and each 
awardee enters into a formal agreement that requires the institution to 
comply with performance goals that are rigorous and tailored to the 
unique elements of the institutions and the needs of the communities 
they serve and abide by other terms and conditions pertinent to the 
award. The requirements for the formal agreement are set forth in 
Section 108(f)(2) of the Riegle Community Development and Regulatory 
Improvement Act of 1994. As discussed the Fund recently published 
notices in the Federal Register for the CDFI Program and the BEA 
Program announcing the availability of funding rounds for fiscal year 
1996 and fiscal year 1997 appropriated dollars most of which it expects 
to obligate by September 30, 1997.
    Some data currently exists that allows the Fund to measure the 
success of the CDFI Program. For example, the CDFI Program has already 
demonstrated a significant ability to leverage funds from non-Federal 
sources. More than $50 million of such matching money has already been 
raised and received by the 32 organizations selected for funding in the 
first funding round of the Program. This money has, in turn, leveraged 
additional funds and resulted in a total of over $100 million raised 
and made available to finance community development activities. In 
several cases, actual development transactions have already occurred. 
For example, one of our awardees reports that the Fund's $3 million 
grant has already enabled it to effectuate $24 million in home mortgage 
and commercial lending transactions. Over the next two to three years, 
the $37.2 million in CDFI Program awards are expected to leverage three 
to four times that amount in total capital raised for these 
institutions.
    Question. In addition, how many grant agreements have actually been 
signed or entered into under the CDFI program? Please provide a list 
that describes each grant, each grant agreement, and the date on which 
the grant agreement was signed or executed, and the date and amount of 
the disbursement of any funds. Please list each BEA award by award, 
date of award and by activity.
    Answer. The Fund enters into an Assistance Agreement with each 
awardee prior to providing any assistance to such awardee. The Fund may 
provide assistance in the form of an equity investment, deposit, loan, 
grant, technical assistance, or some combination of these instruments. 
To date, the Fund has entered into ten Assistance Agreements with 
awardees under the CDFI Program. Under the BEA Program, the Fund must 
enter into an Award Agreement with each awardee prior to providing an 
award to such awardee. All awards are in the form of a grant under the 
BEA Program. To date, the Fund has entered into Award Agreements with 
all of the 38 institutions selected to receive assistance under the BEA 
Program. Please see Attachments 2a and 2b which describe each form of 
assistance provided under the CDFI Program, the date on which each 
Assistance Agreement was executed, the amount of disbursement of each 
CDFI Program award and each Bank Enterprise Award, the date on which 
each Bank Enterprise Awardee Agreement was executed, the amount of 
disbursement of each Bank Enterprise Award, and the activities for 
which such award was granted.

                 SUCCESS OR FAILURE OF THE CDFI PROGRAM

    Question. When will there be enough data and program experience to 
analyze the strengths and weaknesses and the successes and failures of 
the CDFI program? What benchmarks have you established for analyzing 
the use of CDFI program funds? What steps have you taken for program 
integrity to prevent fraud and abuse by CDFI program grantees? Has the 
CDFI Fund established post-award audit review requirements for each 
CDFI grant? If not, why not?
    Answer. The Fund will collect financial and performance data from 
CDFI Program awardees on a quarterly and annual basis. This information 
will be compiled and reported to Congress as part of the Fund's annual 
report. The Fund is taking great care to design and implement the 
systems and procedures necessary to effectively monitor and evaluate 
the use of its assistance, impact of its investments, and the financial 
and managerial soundness of the organizations it funds. To this end, 
the Fund requires awardees to report at least annually on the manner in 
which Fund assistance has been used. The Fund negotiates with each 
award winner specific performance goals and financial soundness 
covenants for non-regulated financial institutions. In this manner, the 
Fund attempts to ensure program integrity and prevent fraud and abuse 
by awardees.
    In addition, the Fund has worked closely with the Treasury 
Department's Office of Inspector General and has sought the assistance 
of consultants in developing its internal quality control systems and 
procedures.
    The Fund's Assistance Agreements with each unregulated CDFI awardee 
requires such awardees to submit audited financial statements to the 
Fund each year. In the case of regulated institutions, the Fund 
requirements seek to conform, to the greatest extent possible, with the 
financial reporting requirements of each awardee's Federal regulatory 
agency.
                          LEVERAGING OF FUNDS

    Question. What are the yardsticks used to determine whether a CDFI 
grant applicant can leverage other funds successfully? What do you look 
for in a CDFI grant applicant in assessing the ability of the grant 
applicant to meet the needs of a distressed community successfully 
(i.e. Do you look for roots in a community? Do you look for a track 
record of community development experience? Do you look for a firm 
commitment of funds?)
    Answer. CDFI Program awardees are required to raise a one-to-one 
match for each dollar of funds requested. Applicants must submit 
evidence of their ability to leverage such matching monies as part of 
their application for assistance. Firm commitments are the best 
evidence of such ability, but other factors such as strength of the 
applicant's fund raising strategy and track record are also considered. 
However, the Fund will not disburse any assistance until the requisite 
matching funds are raised. The selection criteria provide that the Fund 
give additional consideration to applicants that have firm commitments. 
The CDFI Program Regulations, at 12 C.F.R. Sec. 1805.902, state that 
``at a minimum, a firm commitment must consist of a binding written 
agreement between an Awardee and the source of the matching funds that 
is conditioned only upon availability of the Fund's assistance and 
other such conditions as the Fund, in its sole discretion, may deem 
appropriate. Such agreement must provide for disbursal of the matching 
funds prior to, or simultaneous with, receipt by the Awardee of the 
Federal funds.''
    The matching funds represent only the initial leverage resulting 
from a CDFI Program award. Applications are evaluated, in part, by 
evaluating the potential for ongoing sources of funds that will be 
leveraged by the Fund investment. Potential sources of leverage include 
any excess match over the minimum required match, leverage of net worth 
infusion through borrowing and recycling of loan funds, and attraction 
of additional investment into specific deals to be financed by the 
CDFI.
    The Program's evaluation criteria are designed to ensure that 
Federal resources are invested prudently and in a manner that maximizes 
the potential of investing in organizations with long-term viability 
that will serve their communities on a long-term self-sustaining basis. 
CDFI awardees are selected based on track record, management capacity, 
skills and experience, quality of the business plan, ability to raise 
matching funds, and community development impact.

                      REVIEW PROCESS AND REVIEWERS

    Question. What is the review process for applications for CDFI 
program funding? What is the specific criteria used for assessing 
applications? Describe the scoring/ranking system used for reviewing 
the applications. Was the criteria applied consistently and uniformly 
for all applications?
    What was the review process for the CDFI program applications?
    Answer. The review process used to select CDFI award recipients in 
the first funding round was described in the regulations and applicable 
notice of funds availability notice (see Attachment 3), published in 
the Federal Register on October 19, 1995. The regulations and notice 
did not prescribe a scoring/ranking system for evaluating applications; 
instead those documents set forth a process similar to an investment 
analysis methodology utilized by private sector investors. CDFI award 
recipients were chosen on the basis of a wide range of factors 
including track record, management capacity, skills and experience, 
quality of the business plan, ability to raise matching funds, and 
community development impact. These criteria were applied fairly and 
consistently to all applicants.
    Winners were chosen as a result of a tiered review process. In an 
effort to conduct the review in an efficient manner, the Fund conducted 
different ``tiers'' of the process simultaneously. Tier 1 of the review 
process was intended to ensure that each applicant met the eligibility 
requirements and submitted complete application materials. Tier 2 of 
the review process was intended to ensure that each applicant meeting 
the Tier 1 requirements possessed the financial and organizational 
capacity to be a successful CDFI. The Fund actually performed each Tier 
2 review as part of a Tier 3 review since each factor under Tier 2 was 
thoroughly examined under Tier 3. Tier 3 of the review process 
considered additional factors and ultimately resulted in the selection 
of award winners.
    The selection criteria listed in the regulations were also 
reflected on the guidance sheet given to contractors and Fund staff 
that performed the qualitative reviews of applications (see Attachment 
4). The evaluation process and criteria aimed to ensure that the Fund 
invested prudently in a manner that maximized the potential of 
investing in organizations that could continue to provide capital in 
their communities on a long-term self-sustaining basis. As part of the 
Tier 3 review, 59 organizations were determined to be sufficiently 
competitive to be invited by the Fund for an interview with the final 
review panel. Of those interviewed, 32 were selected to receive an 
award. In conducting the reviews, the Fund used permanent staff, as 
well as outside experts, to supplement and complement internal staff.
    On April 4, 1997, the Fund published revisions to its interim 
regulations in the Federal Register that made modest changes to the 
review process (see Attachment 5). Sections 1805.800 through 1805.802 
of those regulations outline the evaluation and selection process. 
Without eliminating any of the evaluation factors, the revised interim 
rule restructures the process of evaluating applications described to 
expedite the process and improve efficiency.
    The current revised interim rule consolidates what had been Tier 2 
(financial and organizational capacity) and Tier 3 (other qualitative 
criteria) reviews into one set of substantive review criteria. However, 
the selection criteria originally set forth on October 19, 1995, are 
retained. The current regulations clarify that the criteria to be 
considered include the quality of the applicant's business plan and the 
extent and nature of the applicant's potential community development 
impact that will be catalyzed relative to the amount of assistance to 
be provided by the Fund. While ensuring fairness and consistency, the 
Fund will seek to implement the evaluation and selection process in a 
manner that takes into consideration the unique characteristics of 
applicants that vary by organizational type, total asset size, and 
stage of organizational development.

                        UNBIASED AWARD STRUCTURE

    Question. What safeguards have the CDFI Fund implemented to ensure 
an unbiased grant award system? For example, have any of the reviewers 
or panel reviewers for the CDFI program ever been employed by any of 
the applicant organizations or their affiliates or ever sought or 
maintained client relationships with such organizations? If yes, please 
provide details including the names of individuals, organizations and 
the dates of the affiliation or the employment.
    Answer. The CDFI Fund established a selection process with respect 
to all CDFI Program applications that was unbiased, fair, thorough and 
rigorous and included safeguards to ensure that no one person possessed 
a dispositive influence over which entities were chosen as winners. All 
Awardees under the CDFI Program were chosen by a unanimous decision of 
a panel composed of five people. The CDFI Fund evaluated factors 
including track record and financial strength; capacity, skills and 
experience of the management team; quality of the applicant's business 
plan; ability to raise non-federal matching funds; and community 
development impact.
    The CDFI Fund staff and outside contractors were used in the 
initial review stage, with each contractor reviewing one or two groups 
of applications, with groups defined on the basis of type of 
organization (and in some cases, further defined by region of the 
country). The tasks for these reviewers during the initial review stage 
was to review each application carefully in order to make 
recommendations about those applications that were potentially 
competitive and therefore should be given further consideration by the 
second-stage review panel.
    The second-stage review panel reached all of its decisions 
unanimously. This review panel made evaluations, performed due 
diligence, and unanimously determined which applicants would receive 
assistance. The decisions of the second-stage review panel were subject 
to the approval of the CDFI Fund Director.
    The Fund's Deputy Director, Steve Rohde, was an employee of the 
Local Initiatives Support Corporation (LISC), an award recipient, prior 
to joining the Fund. Mr. Rohde has not had any financial interest in 
LISC since leaving his position with the organization. Like all other 
CDFI Program winners, LISC was chosen as a result of a rigorous 
selection process in which no one person had dispositive influence. The 
review panel that ultimately selected LISC as a winner made a unanimous 
decision with respect to LISC and all other winners.
    Prior to joining the CDFI Fund, the CDFI Fund Director Kirsten Moy 
served as a member of an advisory committee in connection with the New 
York activities of the Low Income Housing Fund, a CDFI Program winner. 
As a volunteer advisor, Ms. Moy was not compensated for her service on 
the committee.
    The Deputy Director of the CDFI Fund, in consultation with 
individual reviewers, identified actual and potential conflicts of 
interest that reviewers had with respect to any applications, and the 
Deputy Director made the determination that a particular set of facts 
could lead to a conflict and, therefore, prevented an expert from 
reviewing a particular application, as follows:
    (a) Dan Lopez was a member of the Board of Directors of the Low 
Income Housing Fund and was not assigned that application.
    (b) James Paquet was on a detail from the State of Michigan to the 
CDFI Fund under the Intergovernmental Personnel Act. Mr. Paquet was not 
assigned any applications from Michigan. Instead, he was assigned a 
group of applications consisting of business loan funds in the 
Northeast region.
    (c) In the early to mid 1980's, Laura Henze Russell had been 
Executive Director of an organization now known as the Local Enterprise 
Assistance Fund, based in Boston. Ms. Russell was not assigned the 
application of Local Enterprise Assistance Fund. She was assigned a 
group of applications consisting of business loan funds from the 
Midwest and West regions.
    (d) Fredric Cooper formerly worked for The Enterprise Foundation, 
which had a relationship with the San Antonio Housing Trust Foundation, 
an applicant. Enterprise Foundation was not an applicant. Mr. Cooper 
was assigned a group of housing loan funds from the Northeast and 
Midwest.
    (e) Alan Okagaki had been an employee and subcontractor of 
Shorebank Advisory Services and a consultant to Southern Development 
Bancorporation. After an initial look at the Albina Community Bancorp 
application Mr. Okagaki informed the CDFI Fund that there was 
significant material in that application that Mr. Okagaki recognized as 
having been previously prepared by Shorebank Advisory Services. He was 
excluded from reviewing the applications of Shorebank Corporation, 
Douglass Bancorp, Louisville Development Bancorporation, Southern 
Development Bancorporation, and Albina because Shorebank Advisory 
Services had had a consulting relationship with these institutions.
    (f) In the second stage review panel, Paul Pryde, who did not 
participate in the initial stage review, recused himself from two 
applications, McAuley Institute and Community Bank of the Bay, because 
of an appearance of a conflict.

                             GRANT REVIEWS

    Question. Did the CDFI Fund accept revisions to applications from 
certain applicants? What rules did the CDFI Fund establish with regard 
to revisions to ensure a fair process for all CDFI applicants? If 
revisions were permitted for any grant application, please provide the 
details of each revision, including all dates and contacts between the 
CDFI fund and the applicant?
    Answer. The Fund does not accept revisions to applications from any 
applicants. The Fund's regulations, at 12 C.F.R. Sec. Sec. 1805.700 and 
1806.206, provide that the Fund ``may request clarifying or technical 
information'' with respect to any application submitted to the CDFI or 
BEA Program, respectively. Consequently, when the Fund determines that 
it is appropriate and necessary for its decision making, it requests 
clarifying or technical information from applicants.
    In addition, the Fund accepts from all applicants supplemental 
information that updates previous submitted material or otherwise 
informs the Fund of changes in information previously submitted.
    Question. Did any reviewer or panel reviewer provide assistance to 
any of the applicants or their representatives with respect to the 
preparation or revision of any part of an application or for 
supplemental information provided to or requested by the CDFI Fund? If 
yes, please provide the date and details of each occurrence.
    Answer. The Fund or its reviewers did not provide assistance to any 
of the applicants or their representatives with respect to the 
preparation or revision of any part of an application or for 
supplemental information provided to or requested by the Fund. Section 
105(c) of the Riegle Community Development and Regulatory Improvement 
Act of 1994 (Public Law 103-325) states that

        [t]he Fund shall provide an outreach program to identify and 
        provide information to potential applicants and may provide 
        technical assistance to potential applicants, but shall not 
        assist in the preparation of any application.

    Accordingly, the Fund provided an outreach program to applicants. 
Such outreach was accomplished through workshops, publications and 
other means and included general information about the Fund's programs 
and their requirements. The Fund provided outreach services to all 
interested parties on an equal basis.

                            FEDERAL REGISTER

    Question. On March 18, 1996, the CDFI Fund published in the Federal 
Register a waiver of the deadline for receipt of an application under 
the CDFI and BEA programs for certain applications. What was the nature 
and reason for this waiver? Please provide a detailed list describing 
all application materials and information which were received by the 
CDFI Fund between the original deadline of January 29, 1996 at 4:00 
p.m. and March 13, 1996.
    Answer. On March 18, 1996, the Fund published a waiver in the 
Federal Register of its January 29, 1996, 4 p.m., application deadline 
for the CDFI and BEA Programs. The Fund determined it would accept an 
application if: (1) the application was actually received by the Fund 
on January 29, 1996; (2) the application was mailed with a postmark 
date on or before January 29, 1996; or (3) the application was 
delivered to a professional courier service on or before January 29, 
1996. This waiver was based on the determination that such waiver 
promoted the achievement of the purposes of the CDFI Program and the 
BEA Program and their underlying statutes. Several factors contributed 
to the Fund's determination to grant this waiver. First, in the first 
year of implementation of these programs, it was determined to be in 
the Fund's interest to seek the broadest possible participation. 
Second, preparing an application required an extensive amount of work 
which, without the waiver, might have gone to waste merely because of a 
technical failure in the mail or delivery process. Third, given the 
fact that these programs are new, and some of the applicants had never 
previously applied to the Federal government for funding, there 
appeared to have been some confusion about the precise requirements for 
delivery of an application in a timely fashion. Finally, the effect of 
the requirement that the Fund be in receipt of an application by a 
specified time appeared to have had a disproportionate effect on 
applications from geographically remote places. Thus, strict 
enforcement of the deadline could have hindered the Fund in achieving 
its geographic diversity objectives. See Attachment 6 for a list of 
items accepted between January 29, 1996, 4 p.m., and March 13, 1996.

                             FUTURE FUNDING

    Question. When will the CDFI Fund announce the next round of 
funding? You appear to be 4 to 5 months behind the schedule of your 
first round.
    Answer. On March 7, 1997, the Fund published a Notice of Funds 
Availability for the second round of the BEA Program (see Attachment 
1b). On April 4, 1997, the Fund published Notices of Funds Availability 
in connection with the CDFI Program (see Attachments 1a).
              financial safety and soundness requirements
    Question. How will CDFI entities be regulated to ensure that CDFI 
funds are being used appropriately and that these entities will not 
pose a financial risk to the American taxpayer. What happens to a 
financially troubled CDFI?
    Answer. CDFI Program awardees are required to comply with numerous 
federal requirements and reporting mandates that are intended to 
protect the taxpayers' interest. In the event that an awardee does not 
comply with the aforementioned requirements, the CDFI Fund has a range 
of remedies that it may employ. These mandates or requirements include:
    (1) Compliance with government requirements including all Federal, 
state and local laws, regulations, ordinances, applicable Office of 
Management and Budget Circulars, and applicable Executive Orders;
    (2) Mandatory reporting to the U.S. Department of the Treasury 
Inspector General of the existence or apparent existence of fraud, 
waste or abuse of Federal assistance;
    (3) Provision of financial and activity reports, records, 
statements, and documents as may be requested to ensure compliance with 
the assistance agreement. An Awardee is required to provide full and 
free access to its officers and facilities and all books, documents, 
records, and financial statements relating to the use of assistance;
    (4) Compliance with all record retention requirements set forth on 
OMB Circular A-110 and, pursuant to such Circular, retention of all 
financial records, supporting documents, and statistical records 
pertinent to the assistance;
    (5) Maintenance of records necessary to disclose the manner in 
which assistance provided is used and demonstrate compliance with the 
requirements of the CDFI Program regulations and the assistance 
agreement;
    (6) Submission of quarterly reports after the end of each fiscal 
quarter in a form that is prescribed by the CDFI Fund in the assistance 
agreement;
    (7) Submission of an annual report that includes, among other 
things, information regarding the manner in which assistance or 
matching funds were used, financial condition and financial 
performance, activities and initiatives engaged in which enhance the 
awardee's ability to promote community development, the awardee's 
strategy for achieving its performance goals or enhancing its financial 
performance, and the ethnic, racial or gender composition of its 
borrowers or investees;
    (8) Compliance with the Equal Credit Opportunity Act, where 
applicable; and
    (9) Compliance with restrictions on certain insider activities.

                            DISPLACING BANKS

    Question. There has been some concern that CDFI's could indirectly 
discourage more traditional financial institutions may not feel welcome 
or may conclude that their presence is not needed. Couldn't this result 
in isolating distressed communities even more from access to mainstream 
financial resources and opportunities for economic revitalization? How 
are you monitoring this concern?
    Answer. The roles of CDFI's and traditional financial institutions 
are mutually reinforcing. CDFI's are not a substitute--and should not 
be considered a replacement--for traditional financial institutions. 
CDFI's complement the strong and active role that banks and thrifts 
should play in providing credit within distressed communities. CDFI's 
are specialized, private financial institutions that fill niches that 
traditional financial institutions cannot fill--or will not fill on 
their own. The credit needs in distressed communities are often unique 
and require innovative solutions. CDFI's are distinct from traditional 
financial institutions because they have developed specialized 
expertise in delivering certain types of credit--such as micro loans, 
financing day care or public health care facilities, or financing 
housing for people with AIDS or other special needs. In many 
communities, CDFI's have pioneered innovative new products that were 
later adopted by local banks or developed partnerships with banks to 
address unique local needs. For example, many microenterprise programs 
work with low income entrepreneurs that have credit problems or that 
don't meet standardized underwriting criteria. In these cases, the 
micro enterprise programs work with these individuals to build their 
business skills and history as credit-worthy business borrowers. After 
the borrowers have developed a track record, they are often 
``graduated'' to become borrowers of traditional financial 
institutions. Many traditional financial institutions see their 
partnerships with CDFI's as a vehicle to reach into markets that they 
could not otherwise reach. In fact, the CDFI Fund's Bank Enterprise 
Award Program recognizes the importance of these relationships and is 
designed to foster partnerships between CDFI's, as well as promote 
increasing lending and service provision within very distressed 
neighborhoods. (Attachment 7 describes the impact and activities 
generated by the BEA Program.) In summary, CDFI's help to integrate--
not isolate--distressed communities into the economic mainstream.
          draining of existing economic development resources
    Question. There is often a concern that there is only so many 
dollars in the private market available for economic development and 
affordable housing resource. Since there are such expectations for the 
CDFI program to leverage significant non-federal funds, has there been 
any review of where this capital is coming from, and whether it is 
likely to be drained from other funding sources traditionally used for 
community development and housing projects?
    Answer. The vast majority of matching funds received by assisted 
CDFI's are from private sector sources of capital. Of the 31 
organizations selected to receive CDFI assistance, 72 percent derived 
all of their matching funds from private sources (e.g. banks, 
corporations, foundations, individuals) and 19 percent derived between 
99 percent and 70 percent of their matching funds from private sources. 
Only three awardees raised less than 70 percent of their matching 
monies from private sources.

                          BANK ENTERPRISE ACT

    Question. The Bank Enterprise Act (BEA) has been implemented as a 
separate account under the CDFI Fund. Under BEA, traditional financial 
institutions are encouraged through BEA awards to invest, lend and 
provide other financial services in distressed communities. Isn't it 
better to encourage through the BEA the availability of traditional 
financial services and credit in distressed communities than to 
establish a new and separate banking system for these communities?
    Answer. CDFI's and traditional financial institutions both play 
complementary and important roles in serving the credit and financial 
service needs of distressed communities. In fact, the CDFI Program and 
BEA Program were crafted by Congress to work together. Specifically, 
the CDFI Program requires award recipients to obtain matching funds 
from non-Federal sources and permits monies committed by banks and 
thrifts under the BEA Program to assist in meeting that match. In 
addition, under the BEA Program, banks and thrifts that provide support 
to CDFI's are given priority consideration for BEA funding. Hence, the 
CDFI Program and the BEA Program are both critically important to 
improving access to credit and promoting revitalization and deserve 
support. Please also see answer to Question 12.

                             STAFFING NEEDS

    Question. Please describe your staffing needs for administering the 
CDFI program. Since there are so many types of entities and activities 
involved, how will you ensure program integrity?
    Answer. The CDFI Fund is in the process of adding staff in certain 
critical areas to ensure that key functions are and/or will be 
adequately covered. Among these critical areas are program operations, 
finance and administration, and awards management. The CDFI Fund is 
seeking to hire an individual to oversee these areas as its Deputy 
Director for Operations/Chief Financial Officer. In addition, the CDFI 
Fund plans to hire, among other professional and technical staff, the 
following in each of these areas: program operations--a program manager 
who will focus exclusively on the CDFI Program and possibly someone to 
manage the CDFI Fund's training and technical assistance initiatives; 
finance and administration--a comptroller as well as a staff 
accountant; awards management--an award administrator and possibly a 
portfolio analyst.

                 GOVERNMENT PERFORMANCE AND RESULTS ACT

    Question. What are you doing to comply with the Government 
Performance and Results Act? What is your timetable to develop your 
goals, strategic plan, performance measures and outcomes?
    Answer. In the implementation of GPRA, the CDFI Fund is ahead of 
schedule for compliance. Although the first annual performance plan is 
not due until fiscal year 1999, the CDFI Fund submitted its first plan 
as part of the fiscal year 1998 budget justification which included 
performance goals, measures and outcomes--a year ahead of schedule. It 
is the policy of the Department of the Treasury to integrate the annual 
performance plan with the annual budget justification.
    In regards to the 5-year strategic plan, the CDFI Fund intends to 
have a final draft of the 5-year strategic plan in the coming weeks and 
looks forward to consultations with Congress and other stakeholders in 
developing a final plan. The CDFI Fund plans to submit its 5-year 
strategic plan to the Department and OMB in the near future. The CDFI 
Fund looks forward to utilizing this important tool to measure the 
impact and effectiveness of its programs.

                     CRITERIA FOR SELECTING CDFI'S

    Question. The testimony indicates that a wide variety of CDFI's--
new, old, rural, urban--have been awarded assistance under this 
program. What were the most critical criteria used for selecting CDFI's 
for assistance? What is the most common weakness in an application for 
denying CDFI assistance?
    Answer. The key evaluation criteria used for selecting CDFI's for 
assistance include track record and financial strength; capacity, 
skills, and experience of the management team; quality of the 
applicant's business plan; ability to raise non-Federal matching funds; 
and community development impact. Attachment 8 discusses factors that 
tend to separate successful from unsuccessful applicants in the first 
funding round. Through the review process, the CDFI Fund found a wide 
variety of institutions working to serve the community development 
finance needs of their communities. These institutions are diverse in 
type (banks, credit unions, non-profit loan funds, microenterprise loan 
funds, venture capital organizations, lending consortia, and others), 
the types of communities they serve (urban, rural, Native American), 
the types of products and services they provide (small business loans 
and equity investments, housing loans, community facility loans, 
training and technical assistance, and others), and, finally, their 
strategies for promoting economic opportunity and revitalization.
    What these organizations have in common, however, is a deep 
commitment to serve their communities by building stronger local 
markets and catalyzing new economic activity; leveraging resources of 
private, public and non-profit sectors; building linkages with the 
financial services industry; and developing viable, self-sustaining 
financial institutions.
    Common problems shared by these institutions include: (1) 
difficulties in raising investment capital to support their activities 
because, in part, their returns may not be as high as some other 
private sector investment opportunities; and (2) the need to develop 
further their institutional capacity to expand their activities within 
the needy communities they serve. In evaluating applicants that were 
best poised to make the greatest community impact, the CDFI Fund 
observed several critical factors, including good management; the 
importance of strategic assessment and planning in charting an 
institution's activities; having sufficient net worth and a capital 
structure appropriate to the nature of the activities the institution 
is engaged in; the existence of well-functioning internal financial 
systems; and a solid portfolio review system for managing risk.
                                 ______

                                 
                              Attachment 7
 profiles of the first round awardees under the bank enterprise award 
                                program
         community impact of the bank enterprise award program
    The Bank Enterprise Award Program (the ``BEA Program'') was 
designed to provide incentives to insured depository institutions 
(banks and thrifts) to invest in community development financial 
institutions (CDFI's) and to increase their lending and provision of 
financial services in economically distressed communities throughout 
the nation.
    Awards are determined based on the increase of eligible activities 
between two designated six-month evaluation periods. To ensure 
appropriate use of limited Federal resources, awards are disbursed only 
after the activities proposed by the institutions have been completed. 
Collectively, the bank and thrift awardees have provided nearly $66 
million in support to CDFI's and $60 million in new lending and 
financial services in economically distressed communities. The 
activities for which each of the institutions received an award are 
described in the following profiles.
    There are no statutory or regulatory restrictions or requirements 
on institutions with respect to the use of their BEA award dollars 
after the completion of proposed activities. The CDFI Fund is happy to 
report that the vast majority of the institutions receiving awards in 
the first round have indicated that they plan to use their awards to 
expand their existing community development work. These activities 
would enhance the impact of the BEA Program and are described in the 
profiles.
Bank of America Community Development Bank, Walnut Creek, California
    Award: $1,585,510
    Rewarded activities.--Bank of America Community Development Bank 
was awarded $1,585,510 for increasing its commercial real estate, 
multi-family housing, and business lending in distressed communities 
across California. The bank made nearly $25 million in loans in 
targeted neighborhoods. Bank of America Community Development Bank 
projects that its activities will generate more than 185 units of 
affordable housing and 300 jobs.
    Post award activity.--Bank of America Community Development Bank, 
together with Bank of America, F.S.B., has pledged to invest its entire 
combined award back into the community. $1.1 million of their award 
money has been used to establish the Bank of America Leadership 
Academy, a nine-month program that provides training for senior 
management of community development organizations. The Leadership 
Academy is funded jointly by Bank of America Community Development 
Bank, Bank of America, F.S.B., and the Local Initiatives Support 
Corporation (a certified CDFI and a 1996 CDFI Program awardee); it is 
conducted by the Development Training Institute. The Academy is 
expected to run for three years and train 105 leaders of community 
organizations across the nation. An additional 20 percent of the 
combined awards will go to the Low Income Housing Fund, a certified 
CDFI and a 1996 CDFI Program awardee which provides loans for very low-
income housing development across the country. Bank of America 
Community Development Bank is currently considering the designation of 
the balance of its award.
Bank of America, F.S.B. Portland, Oregon
    Award: $521,735
    Rewarded activities.--Bank of America, F.S.B. was awarded $521,735 
for increasing its commercial real estate and business lending in 
targeted neighborhoods in Denver, Las Vegas, and San Antonio. The Bank 
made nearly $6.2 million in loans in needy communities. Bank of 
America, F.S.B. projects that this activity will create or retain more 
than 150 jobs.
    Post award activity.--Bank of America, F.S.B., together with Bank 
of America Community Development Bank, has pledged to invest its entire 
combined award back into the community. $1.1 million of their award 
money has been used to establish the Bank of America Leadership 
Academy, a nine-month program that provides training for senior 
management of community development organizations. The Leadership 
Academy is funded jointly by Bank of America Community Development 
Bank, Bank of America, F.S.B., and the Local Initiatives Support 
Corporation, a certified CDFI and a 1996 CDFI Program awardee; it is 
conducted by the Development Training Institute. The Academy is 
expected to run for three years and train 105 leaders of community 
organizations across the nation. An additional 20 percent of the 
combined awards will go to the Low Income Housing Fund, a certified 
CDFI and a 1996 CDFI Program awardee which provides loans for very low-
income housing development across the country. Bank of America, F.S.B. 
is currently considering the designation of the balance of its award.
Bank of America, Illinois, Chicago, Illinois
    Award: $514,815
    Rewarded activities.--Bank of America, Illinois was awarded 
$514,815 for increasing its affordable housing and small business 
lending activity in distressed communities on the near north, west and 
south sides of Chicago. The bank also made loans of nearly $3.7 million 
to Neighborhood Housing Services (NHS) of Chicago, Community Investment 
Corporation (CIC), and the Illinois Facilities Fund (IFF), all 
certified CDFI's. The bank's loan to NHS will be used to finance home 
improvement loans to low- and moderate-income homeowners in distressed 
neighborhoods. The loan to CIC will be used to finance multi-family 
apartment buildings in low- to moderate-income communities. The bank's 
loan to IFF will be used to support mortgages to non-profit social 
service agencies.
    Post award activity.--Bank of America, Illinois is using $150,000 
of its award to make grants to low- and moderate-income home-buyers for 
downpayment assistance. In addition, the bank made $155,000 in grants 
to NHS, CIC, and IFF, and the Southland Community Development 
Corporation, a new loan fund in the Chicago area. The bank has also 
made available a total of $75,000 in grants to smaller community 
organizations--in particular, those focused on affordable housing, 
economic development, and education of disadvantaged youth. The bank 
will also make available grants up to $500 to community organizations 
nominated by bank employees.
Bank of Louisville, Louisville, Kentucky
    Award: $15,000
    Rewarded activities.--Bank of Louisville was awarded $15,000 for 
making an equity investment of $100,000 in the Louisville Development 
Bancorp. The Louisville Development Bancorp is a newly-established 
community development bank corporation and a certified CDFI that seeks 
to revitalize the Louisville Enterprise Community and surrounding 
neighborhoods.
    Post award activity.--Bank of Louisville plans to use its award to 
benefit the Louisville Development Bancorp in the form of a grant to 
its non-profit subsidiary.
Central Bank of Kansas City, Kansas City, Missouri
    Award: $99,869
    Rewarded activities.--Central Bank of Kansas City was awarded 
$99,869 for increasing its deposit-taking activities and consumer and 
commercial real estate, housing, and business loans in distressed 
neighborhoods. During the first six months of 1996, this bank provided 
more than $8.3 million in loans and services. In addition to 
facilitating neighborhood redevelopment through its single- and multi-
family housing activities, the bank made a significant loan to help a 
major manufacturer and employer remain in the community.
    Post award activity.--Central Bank of Kansas City is using its 
award to finance revitalization efforts in its neighborhood, which 
includes the distressed community designated in its BEA application. 
These efforts are focused on home improvement and rehabilitation 
lending. The award is, in part, being used to finance the 
rehabilitation of a former drug house in the neighborhood. The bank's 
$70,000 loan to a non-profit group at a concessionary interest rate 
accounts for 70 percent of the financing for this project. The bank 
expects to use the returns from this loan for other community 
development activities.
The Chase Manhattan Bank, New York, New York
    Award: $2,699,625
    Rewarded activities.--The Chase Manhattan Bank was awarded 
$2,699,625 for making nearly $18 million in investments in 14 
organizations that finance community development. The organizations 
receiving assistance are Low-lncome Housing Fund, Greater Jamaica Local 
Development Company, Community Loan Fund of New Jersey, Capital 
District Community Loan Fund, Nonprofit Facilities Fund, Leviticus 
25:23 Alternative Fund, Bethex Federal Credit Union, Lower East Side 
People's Federal Credit Union, New Community Federal Credit Union, 
Homesteaders Federal Credit Union, BHA Residents Community Development 
Federal Credit Union, Central Brooklyn Federal Credit Union, Parodneck 
Foundation, and Enterprise Social Investment Corporation.
    Post award activity.--The Chase Manhattan Bank is using its award 
to make grants to CDFI's in its service area through its CDFI Support 
Program. These grants can be used for capital and operating expenses 
and to serve as matching funds for CDFI's applying to the CDFI Program.
Citibank F.S.B. California Marketplace, San Francisco, California
    Award: $412,270
    Rewarded activities.--Citibank F.S.B. California Marketplace was 
awarded $412,270 for increasing its multi-family housing lending in a 
distressed neighborhood by more than $5.1 million. Citibank's efforts 
focused on financing two multi-family projects in Los Angeles developed 
by FAME Housing Development Corporation, a non-profit affiliate of the 
First African Methodist Church. Citibank also provided technical 
assistance to FAME Housing in structuring these transactions.
    Post award activity.--Citibank F.S.B. has established a loan pool 
with its award. This pool will loan funds at concessionary terms to 
community organizations for initiatives such as affordable housing and 
childcare centers in low-income communities.
Citibank N.A., New York, New York
    Award: $227,250
    Rewarded activities.--Citibank N.A. was awarded $227,250 for 
providing investments totaling $1,515,000 to 13 organizations serving 
distressed communities throughout the United States. The organizations 
receiving investments are ACCION New York, ACCION Texas, Chicago 
Community Loan Fund, FINCA, Florida Community Loan Fund, Illinois 
Facilities Fund, Institute for Community Economics, Leviticus 25:23 
Alternative Fund, Low-Income Housing Fund, McAuley Institute, New 
Jersey Community Loan Fund, Nonprofit Facilities Fund, Northern 
California Community Loan Fund, Washington Area Community Investment 
Fund, and the National Federation of Community Development Credit 
Unions.
    Post award activity.--Citibank N.A. is using its award for 
activities that help build the capacity and skills of CDFI's. Among 
these activities is a grant to the National Association of Community 
Development Loan Funds to launch a series of courses for CDFI staff and 
board members.
City National Bank of New Jersey, Newark, New Jersey
    Award: $162,065
    Rewarded activities.--City National Bank of New Jersey was awarded 
$162,065 for increasing its lending commitments in distressed 
neighborhoods by nearly $2 million. In the first six months of 1996, 
the bank committed loans totaling $3,367,000 to consumers and for 
commercial real estate, single-family housing, multi-family housing, 
and small businesses. City National Bank of New Jersey is a minority-
owned national bank.
    Post award activity.--City National Bank of New Jersey has not yet 
determined the use of its award. Currently, City National Bank of New 
Jersey is applying in the second round of the BEA Program for its 
increased loans for the purchase and renovation of one- to four-family 
homes.
Coast Federal Bank, West Hills, California
    Award: $149,709
    Rewarded activities.--Coast Federal Bank was awarded $149,709 for 
providing loans, grants, and technical assistance to the Clearinghouse 
CDFI and Los Angeles Neighborhood Housing Services. These CDFI's both 
promote the development of affordable housing in distressed 
neighborhoods throughout Southern California.
    Post award activity.--Coast Federal Bank is using its award as a 
reserve fund for affordable housing loans and is further supporting 
affordable housing in Southern California through its close 
relationships with the Clearinghouse CDFI and Los Angeles Neighborhood 
Housing Services. Bank officials serve on the governing board of each 
of the CDFI's; the bank has helped in fundraising and has made 
operating grants and in-kind contributions to each. Additionally, the 
bank is encouraging other financial institutions to support CDFI's by 
disseminating information about the BEA Program.
Cole Taylor Bank, Wheeling, Illinois
    Award: $115,500
    Rewarded activities.--Cole Taylor Bank was awarded $115,500 for 
making $1,050,000 in loans to the Illinois Facilities Fund (IFF) and 
Chicago Community Loan Fund (CCLF), both certified CDFI's. IFF makes 
real estate loans to non-profit social service agencies. The proceeds 
from Cole Taylor Bank's loan to IFF will be used to finance projects in 
Chicago's near west and lower west sides and Humbolt Park. CCLF 
finances affordable housing and economic development projects.
    Post award activity.--Cole Taylor Bank's award has acted as an 
encouragement of further community development activities. The bank is 
currently contributing toward Neighborhood Housing Services of 
Chicago's goal of opening 20 new offices in the city. Specifically, 
Cole Taylor Bank is supporting the office in the Back of the Yards 
neighborhood by providing operational support, participating in a 
revolving loan fund for flexible and low-cost home improvement 
financing, and developing a new affordable homes construction project.
Community Capital Bank, Brooklyn, New York
    Award: $215,461
    Rewarded activities.--Community Capital Bank provides business, 
housing, and commercial loans to projects in distressed communities 
throughout New York City. In the first six months of 1996, Community 
Capital Bank provided nearly $2.6 million in loans for small business 
development and affordable housing construction and support for 
entrepreneurial development initiatives among public housing residents. 
Community Capital Bank was awarded $215,461 for increasing its lending 
activities during this period.
    Post award activity.--Community Capital Bank, a certified CDFI, is 
using its award to increase its capacity to make loans in distressed 
communities. Activities toward this end include increasing loan staff 
and improving accounting controls with the assistance of an outside 
consultant. In addition, the award has helped the bank maintain its 
preferential interest rates on loans made to non-profit organizations.
First National Bank of Chicago, Chicago, Illinois
    Award: $322,230
    Rewarded activities.--First National Bank of Chicago was awarded 
$322,230 for making a $1,998,200 investment in The Shorebank 
Corporation (Shorebank) and a $150,000 capital grant to Neighborhood 
Housing Services (NHS) of Chicago, both certified CDFI's. Shorebank, 
based in Chicago's south side, is a bank holding company that serves 
numerous distressed communities. First National's investment enabled 
Shorebank to acquire Indecorp and expand its service area to nine new 
neighborhoods in the south and mid-south sides of Chicago. The grant to 
NHS of Chicago will serve as a capital infusion for its revolving loan 
fund to support home improvement and rehabilitation loans and loans to 
people unable to obtain traditional mortgage financing.
    Post award activity.--First National Bank of Chicago will use 
$150,000 of its award to make ``equity-equivalent'' investments in the 
Chicago Community Loan Fund and the Chicago Association of Neighborhood 
Development Organizations' Self-Employment Loan Fund, both certified 
CDFI's. The bank expects that these investments will leverage an 
additional $300,000 for the community groups.
First Union National Bank of D.C., Washington, District of Columbia
    Award: $274,550
    Rewarded activities.--First Union National Bank of D.C. (First 
Union) was awarded $274,550 for increasing its multi-family housing 
lending in several distressed neighborhoods. In partnership with local 
community development corporations, the bank made loans totaling more 
than $5.6 million, including financing a 177-unit apartment building.
    Post award activity.--First Union plans to use a portion of its 
award to make a loan to a local CDFI. This loan will be unusual for 
First Union but, because of the availability of the BEA award, will be 
feasible at an interest rate favorable to the CDFI. Through the CDFI, 
loan funds will be made available to other community groups for 
predevelopment costs.
Fullerton Savings and Loan Association, Fullerton, California
    Award: $39,600
    Rewarded activities.--Fullerton Savings and Loan Association 
(Fullerton) was awarded $39,600 for increasing its single-family and 
multi-family housing lending in three distressed communities. Fullerton 
made a total of $520,000 in loans to neighborhoods located in Santa Ana 
and elsewhere in Orange County.
    Post award activity.--Fullerton used its award to make a grant to a 
local housing development non-profit organization. The grant will be 
used for the operating costs of developing affordable single-family 
infill housing in Anaheim. It will also be used, if needed, to provide 
second mortgages for the new housing.
Gateway National Bank of St. Louis, St. Louis, Missouri
    Award: $26,038
    Rewarded activities.--Gateway National Bank, the only minority-
owned bank to be incorporated and operated in the state of Missouri, 
was awarded $78,116 for increasing its deposit-taking and lending 
activities during the first six months of 1996. Gateway National Bank 
is located and serves neighborhoods in the northern portion of St. 
Louis.
    Post award activity.--Gateway National Bank has used its award to 
expand its capital base to meet community needs, including business and 
housing lending.
Great Financial Bank, Louisville, Kentucky
    Award: $22,500
    Rewarded activities.--Great Financial Bank was awarded $22,500 for 
making an equity investment of $150,000 in the Louisville Development 
Bancorp. The Louisville Development Bancorp is a newly established 
community development bank corporation that seeks to revitalize the 
Louisville Enterprise Community and surrounding neighborhoods.
    Post award activity.--Great Financial Bank has used its award to 
benefit the Louisville Development Bancorp in the form of a grant to 
its non-profit subsidiary.
Hibernia National Bank, New Orleans, Louisiana
    Award: $5,875
    Rewarded activities.--In late 1995, Hibernia National Bank 
(Hibernia) adopted two neighborhoods as part of the City of New 
Orleans' Impact Neighborhood Program. Hibernia was awarded $5,875 for 
increasing its small business lending, loans to non-profit 
organizations engaging in affordable housing activities, and technical 
assistance activities in these neighborhoods during the first six 
months of 1996. As part of this effort, Hibernia provided financial 
support to three non-profit organizations that conduct home-buyer 
training programs for residents of these targeted neighborhoods.
    Post award activity.--Hibernia has made its award available to five 
community development corporations to use as matching funds for a grant 
program sponsored by the Federal Home Loan Bank of Dallas. The $500 to 
$2,200 grants made by Hibernia will be leveraged up to a total of 
$29,900 for non-profit organizations in Baton Rouge, New Orleans, and 
Shreveport focused on affordable housing and homebuyer training.
Household Bank, f.s.b., Wood Dale, Illinois
    Award: $88,090
    Rewarded activities.--Household Bank, f.s.b. was awarded $88,090 
for making a $588,000 investment in Sable Bancshares, a certified CDFI. 
The investment enabled Sable Bancshares to acquire the Community Bank 
of Lawndale, an African American-owned bank which serves distressed 
neighborhoods in Chicago, for the purpose of converting it into a 
community development bank. Sable Bancshares has also established a 
subsidiary, REG Community Development Corporation, to promote housing 
and business development.
    Post award activity.--Household Bank, f.s.b. plans to use its award 
for community development purposes. The use of the award is currently 
being determined through a strategic planning process.
Key Bank of Maine, Portland, Maine
    Award: $37,500
    Rewarded activities.--Key Bank of Maine (Key Bank) was awarded 
$37,500 for making a $250,000 investment in Coastal Ventures Limited 
Partnership (CVLP), a subsidiary of Coastal Enterprises, Inc., a 
certified CDFI. The bank's investment will create jobs by providing 
venture capital to small businesses for start-up and expansion.
    Post award activity.--Key Bank plans to use its entire award for 
community development purposes. Part of the award is being used to 
support a Small Business Information Center in Lewiston, Maine in 
partnership with the U.S. Small Business Administration. An additional 
part is being used to capitalize an affordable housing loan pool in 
conjunction with other lenders.
National City Bank of Columbus, Columbus, Ohio
    Award: $275,000
    Rewarded activities.--National City Bank of Columbus (National 
City) was awarded $275,000 for providing a $2.5 million line of credit 
to the Columbus Growth Fund, a certified CDFI, to be used to provide 
gap financing for businesses. This financing will enable businesses to 
expand and create jobs for residents of targeted neighborhoods. 
National City was the lead bank in a partnership with four other 
financial institutions to establish the Columbus Growth Fund. The City 
of Columbus is also supporting the effort by capitalizing a loan loss 
reserve for the Columbus Growth Fund.
    Post award activity.--National City has used its award to make a 
grant to the Columbus Growth Fund. The grant serves as additional 
equity for the Columbus Growth Fund, allowing it to leverage additional 
funds in the form of bank loans.
National City Bank of Kentucky, Louisville, Kentucky
    Award: $37,500
    Rewarded activities.--National City Bank of Kentucky was awarded 
$37,500 for making an equity investment of $250,000 in the Louisville 
Development Bancorp, a certified CDFI. The Louisville Development 
Bancorp is a newly established community development bank corporation 
that seeks to revitalize the Louisville Enterprise Community and 
surrounding neighborhoods.
    Post award activity.--National City Bank of Kentucky has used its 
award to benefit the Louisville Development Bancorp in the form of a 
grant to its non-profit subsidiary.
Nationsbank, N.A., Charlotte, North Carolina
    Award: $1,614,690
    Rewarded activities.--Nationsbank, N.A. was awarded $1,614,690 for 
making nearly $10.5 million in investments in the National Community 
Investment Fund (NCIF) and the Enterprise Social Investment Corporation 
(ESIC) and a $420,000 loan to the Low-income Housing Fund (LIHF). NCIF 
will use its support to invest in community development banks. The ESIC 
investment will expand and improve employment opportunities by 
encouraging investments in businesses that employ residents of the 
Baltimore Empowerment Zone. LIHF, a certified CDFI funded in the first 
round of the CDFI Program, will use its loan proceeds to finance non-
profit sponsors of affordable housing.
    Post award activity.--Nationsbank, N.A. is using its award to 
expand its existing community development programs throughout the 
franchise in 16 states and the District of Columbia. These activities 
include using funds to purchase and demolish a low-rise apartment 
building in Atlanta's Martin Luther King Historic District so that 
affordable, single-family homes can be constructed to complete the 
revitalization of the block. It will also be used to establish 
community development activities in new markets including St. Louis, 
Missouri and Tampa/St. Petersburg, Florida and to subsidize below-
market rate lending to CDFI's.
Nationsbank, N.A. (South), Atlanta, Georgia
    Award: $1,199,275
    Rewarded activities.--Nationsbank, N.A. (South) was awarded 
$1,199,275 for making $7.8 million in investments in the National 
Community Investment Fund (NCIF) and the Enterprise Social Investment 
Corporation (ESIC) and a $312,000 loan to the Low-Income Housing Fund 
(LIHF). NCIF will use its support to invest in community development 
banks. The ESIC investment will expand and improve employment 
opportunities through encouraging investments in businesses that employ 
residents of the Baltimore Empowerment Zone. LIHF, a certified CDFI 
funded in the first round of the CDFI Program, will use its loan 
proceeds to finance non-profit sponsors of affordable housing.
    Post award activity.--Nationsbank, N.A. (South) is using its award 
to expand its existing community development programs throughout the 
franchise in 16 states and the District of Columbia. These activities 
include using funds to purchase and demolish a low-rise apartment 
building in Atlanta's Martin Luther King Historic District so that 
affordable, single-family homes can be constructed to complete the 
revitalization of the block. It will also be used to establish 
community development activities in new markets including St. Louis, 
Missouri and Tampa/St. Petersburg, Florida and to subsidize below-
market rate lending to CDFI's.
Nationsbank of Texas, N.A., Dallas, Texas
    Award: $1,036,035
    Rewarded activities.--Nationsbank of Texas, N.A. was awarded 
$1,036,035 for making $6.7 million in investments to the National 
Community Investment Fund (NCIF) and the Enterprise Social Investment 
Corporation (ESIC) and a $270,000 loan to the Low-Income Housing Fund 
(LIHF). NCIF will use its support to invest in community development 
banks. The ESIC investment will expand and improve employment 
opportunities through encouraging investments in businesses that employ 
residents of the Baltimore Empowerment Zone. LIHF, a certified CDFI 
funded in the first round of the CDFI Program, will use its loan 
proceeds to finance non-profit sponsors of affordable housing.
    Post award activity.--Nationsbank of Texas, N.A. is using its award 
to expand its existing community development programs throughout the 
franchise in 16 states and the District of Columbia. These activities 
include using funds to purchase and demolish a low-rise apartment 
building in Atlanta's Martin Luther King Historic District so that 
affordable, single-family homes can be constructed to complete the 
revitalization of the block. It will also be used to establish 
community development activities in new markets including St. Louis, 
Missouri and Tampa/St. Petersburg, Florida and to subsidize below-
market rate lending to CDFI's.
North Shore Bank, Brookfield, Wisconsin
    Award: $6,036
    Rewarded activities.--North Shore Bank was awarded $6,036 for 
increasing its single-family housing acquisition and rehabilitation 
loans in distressed neighborhoods in central Milwaukee. During the 
first six months of 1996, the bank made a total of $373,000 in loans 
for activities undertaken as part of the Milwaukee Affordable Housing 
Initiative.
    Post award activity.--North Shore Bank plans to use its award to 
assist low-income first-time home-buyers in its distressed community. 
It will do this through grants to help with downpayments and closing 
costs or by helping new homeowners purchase needed equipment to 
maintain their homes. Additionally, the bank has continued its support 
of the Milwaukee Affordable Housing Initiative and has shown further 
commitment to the central city through the completion of a new, full-
service office on King Drive.
Northern Trust Company, Chicago, Illinois
    Award: $88,090
    Rewarded activities.--Northern Trust Company was awarded $93,713 
for making a $624,750 investment in Sable Bancshares. The investment by 
Northern Trust Company enabled Sable Bancshares to acquire the 
Community Bank of Lawndale, an African American-owned bank which serves 
distressed neighborhoods in Chicago, for the purpose of converting it 
into a community development bank. Sable Bancshares has also 
established a subsidiary, REG Community Development Corporation, to 
promote housing and business development.
    Post award activity.--Northern Trust Company has committed its 
award as part of a package of support to Neighborhood Housing Services 
of Chicago, a certified CDFI, to open a new office in the Auburn-
Gresham neighborhood. Northern Trust Company's support includes a $3.5 
million loan, $1.5 million in subordinated debt, and a three-year 
$150,000 grant to help meet the operating costs of the office. The new 
office will focus on renovating single-family homes in this 
neighborhood in transition.
Northwest Bank, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
    Award: $3,918
    Rewarded activities.--Northwest Bank was awarded $3,918 for 
providing operating grants totaling $35,618 to Neighborhood Housing 
Services (NHS) of Oklahoma City. NHS of Oklahoma City, a certified 
CDFI, promotes homeownership in targeted neighborhoods through 
assistance with downpayments, closing costs, and other administrative 
expenses.
    Post award activity.--Northwest Bank is using its award to fund 
community development activities through its Near Northwest Community 
Development Corporation. The bank participates in community development 
activities in Oklahoma City through partnerships with the city and 
local organizations. The bank is also lending in the Paseo area, a 
historic district with a large number of small multi-family housing 
units.
Norwest Bank, New Mexico, Albuquerque, New Mexico
    Award: $5,750
    Rewarded activities.--Norwest Bank, New Mexico was awarded $5,750 
for making a $50,000 loan and a $5,000 capital grant to the New Mexico 
Community Development Loan Fund (NMCDLF). Through its partnership with 
the bank, NMCDLF will make loans to small businesses and 
microentrepreneurs.
    Post award activity.--Norwest Bank has provided its award dollars 
as a grant to NMCDLF for small and micro-business lending.
PNC Bank, Kentucky, Inc., Louisville, Kentucky
    Award: $75,000
    Rewarded activities.--PNC Bank, Kentucky, Inc. was awarded $75,000 
for making an equity investment of $500,000 in the Louisville 
Development Bancorp. The Louisville Development Bancorp, a certified 
CDFI, is a newly established community development bank corporation 
that seeks to revitalize the Louisville Enterprise Community and 
surrounding neighborhoods.
    Post award activity.--PNC Bank, Kentucky, Inc. donated its award to 
the LCDB Enterprise Group, a non-profit affiliate of the Louisville 
Community Development Bancorp. The grant will help fund a business 
center to assist new and emerging small businesses in western 
Louisville.
Regency Savings Bank, F.S.B., Naperville, Illinois
    Award: $77,250
    Rewarded activities.--Regency Savings Bank, F.S.B. was awarded 
$77,250 for making a $515,000 equity investment in The Shorebank 
Corporation (Shorebank). Shorebank is a bank holding company, a 
certified CDFI, that serves numerous distressed communities and is 
based on the south side of Chicago. The bank's investment enabled 
Shorebank to acquire Indecorp and expand its service area to nine new 
neighborhoods in the south and mid-south sides of Chicago.
    Post award activity.--Regency Savings Bank, F.S.B. has used its 
award to partially offset its equity investment in Shorebank.
Republic National Bank of New York, New York, New York
    Award: $519,659
    Rewarded activities.--Republic National Bank of New York (Republic) 
was awarded $519,659 for providing loans and operating grants totaling 
$5,196,592 to 21 community development organizations. The institutions 
assisted include Bethex Federal Credit Union, Central Brooklyn Federal 
Credit Union, Corporation for Supportive Housing, Greater Jamaica Local 
Development Company, Homesteaders Federal Credit Union, Leviticus 25:23 
Alternative Fund, Local Initiatives Support Corporation, Lower East 
Side Peoples Federal Credit Union, Nonprofit Facilities Fund, Parodneck 
Foundation, Union Settlement Federal Credit Union, Washington Heights 
Inwood Development Corporation, Enterprise Foundation, and Upper 
Manhattan Community Development Credit Union.
    Post award activity.--Republic will use its award to leverage an 
additional $5 million in economic development and small business 
lending in low- and moderate-income communities. In this way, its BEA 
award will be leveraged nearly 10 times over in the form of new 
lending. The award dollars will be used to provide below market rates 
or act as a loan loss reserve for loans Republic will make to non-
profit economic development organizations over the next few years.
St. Francis Bank, F.S.B., Milwaukee, Wisconsin
    Award: $11,498
    Rewarded activities.--St. Francis Bank, F.S.B. was awarded $11,498 
for increasing its single-family housing acquisition and rehabilitation 
loans in distressed neighborhoods of central city Milwaukee. During the 
first six months of 1996, the bank made a total of $675,000 in loans 
for activities undertaken as part of the Milwaukee Affordable Housing 
Initiative.
    Post award activity.--St. Francis Bank, F.S.B. has used its award 
to expand its community lending efforts, including outreach to the 
Milwaukee area's Spanish-speaking residents. These efforts include 
developing new programs, marketing, and offering home-buyer seminars.
Stock Yards Bank & Trust Company, Louisville, Kentucky
    Award: $3,750
    Rewarded activities.--Stock Yards Bank & Trust Company was awarded 
$3,750 for making an equity investment of $25,000 in the Louisville 
Development Bancorp. The Louisville Development Bancorp is a newly 
established community development bank corporation, a certified CDFI, 
that seeks to revitalize the Louisville Enterprise Community and 
surrounding neighborhoods.
    Post award activity.--Stock Yards Bank & Trust Company donated its 
award to the LCDB Enterprise Group, the non-profit affiliate of the 
Louisville Community Development Bancorp. The grant will help fund a 
business center to assist new and emerging small businesses in western 
Louisville.
Troy Savings Bank, Troy, New York
    Award: $389,859
    Rewarded activities.--The Troy Savings Bank was awarded $389,859 
for increasing its lending within distressed neighborhoods of Troy, 
Albany, and Schenectady by $4.8 million. In the first six months of 
1996, the bank made over $8 million in loans for housing, small 
businesses, and consumer products. The bank's efforts also included 
grants and technical assistance to support first-time home-buyers in 
the region.
    Post award activity.--Troy Savings Bank has created a Small 
Business Investment Company (SBIC), whose license is currently pending 
with the U.S. Small Business Administration, to foster the growth of 
small businesses in the capital region. Through the SBIC, the bank will 
set aside $500,000, capitalized in part with its BEA award, for 
investment in businesses that agree to locate in the distressed 
communities designated in the bank's BEA application. Additionally, the 
bank is active in promoting affordable housing in its service area; it 
is one of the first institutions to participate in the Federal Home 
Loan Bank of New York's First Home Club Program, which provides funds 
to match the savings of low-income prospective home-buyers.
Vine Street Trust Company, Lexington, Kentucky
    Award: $55,000
    Rewarded activities.--Vine Street Trust Company was awarded $55,000 
for making a $500,000 loan to Community Ventures Corporation (CVC) to 
serve Lexington's highest poverty area. Vine Street Trust Company and 
CVC will serve this area by focusing on helping low-income people 
access financing for affordable housing.
    Post award activity.--Vine Street Trust Company has decided to pass 
the award on to CVC to serve as a loan loss reserve and to cover a 
portion of CVC's operating overhead expenses.
Wells Fargo Bank of Texas, N.A. (formerly First Interstate Bank of 
        Texas), Houston, Texas
    Award: $97,500
    Rewarded activities.--Wells Fargo Bank of Texas, N.A. was awarded 
$97,500 for making investments totaling $650,000 in the Southern Dallas 
Development Corporation and the Greater Houston Small Business Equity 
Fund, Inc. Both of these certified CDFI's provide financing and 
technical assistance to small and minority-owned businesses.
    Post award activity.--Wells Fargo Bank of Texas, N.A. has not yet 
determined how it will use its award. The bank's community development 
activities include support to organizations in communities in which 
they do business, including Alliance Capital of Houston, Austin 
Community Development Corporation, Dallas Inner City Development 
Corporation, and Fort Worth Community Development Corporation. The bank 
has also supported the Local Initiatives Support Corporation's National 
Equity Fund.
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                              Attachment 8
 first round experience--issues that often separated competitive from 
                      non-competitive applications
Track Record, Financial Strength and Current Operations
    Is there a pattern of positive net operating income?
    Is net worth as percentage of assets reasonable in context of 
institution's activities?
    Are delinquency rates under control, in the context of type of 
lending?
    Are loss rates under control, in the context of type of lending?
    What is the fund raising track record?
    Does the organization have a good process for strategic assessment 
and planning?
    Is there a periodic portfolio review, with risk rating?
    Does organization consistently generate monthly internal 
financials?
    Are audit opinions clean, or are they qualified?
    Is there demonstrable track record of development impacts?
    Is there a track record of innovation in the marketplace?
Capacity, Skills and Experience of Management Team
    What is the track record of accomplishment of individual management 
team members?
    What is the relationship of skills and experience to tasks of 
business plan?
    Is appropriate staff identified for new activities?
    Is there an appropriate mix of skills?
    How well do management team members work with each other?
    Is staff adequate or is it stretched too thin?
    Is there an appropriate compensation structure for attracting and 
retaining needed staff?
    What is the level of personal commitments of management team 
members?
    What is the contribution of Board?
    Are relationships between staff end Board effective?
    What is the track record and capacity of management team members to 
adapt to change?
Quality of Business plan
    Is the business plan clear, well developed and internally 
consistent?
    What is the quality of market analysis?
    Is there clarity about future products and services?
    Is development strategy well thought out?
    Are there appropriate links between products/services, market 
analysis, and development strategy?
    Are future staffing plans adequate, with respect to number and 
skill level?
    Is there appropriate meshing between lending and technical 
assistance?
    Is pricing strategy well thought out?
    Is process and criteria for evaluating deals appropriate?
    Is risk appropriately included in evaluation?
    Is there a reasonable balance between financial and social 
objectives?
    Are projections reasonable or too aggressive?
    Are assumptions for projections clearly delineated?
    Are loss assumptions reasonable?
    Are future staffing needs appropriately reflected in projections?
    Do financial projections reconcile?
    Are projections consistent with business plan narrative?
    Do realistic projections show ongoing viability?
    Is plan viable if performance varies from projections?
    Is proposed capital structure appropriate?
    If consultant is used, is use appropriate?
Matching Funds
    Are commitments in hand, or if not, is there a viable fund raising 
strategy?
    Are matching funds comparable in form and value to financial 
assistance requested?
    Is business plan dependent on unrealistic match?
    Does prior fund raising track record provide confidence about 
prospects for securing match?
Community Development Impact as Return on CDFI Fund Investment
    Are community development objectives well defined and clearly 
focused?
    Is there clarity on how CDFI Fund can enhance impact?
    Is there a realistic plan to sustain impact of CDFI Fund 
investment?
    What is the prospective leverage of other resources?
    What is the scale of activity?
    What are prospects for innovation?
    What is the level of distress of target market, and are products 
suitable to address needs?
    Is institution well connected to community?
    What does track record, management, business plan quality suggest 
about development impact?
    What is the ``bang for the buck?''


                  NATIONAL CREDIT UNION ADMINISTRATION

STATEMENTS OF NORMAN E. D'AMOURS, CHAIRMAN

                 NEIGHBORHOOD REINVESTMENT CORPORATION

STATEMENT OF GEORGE KNIGHT, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
ACCOMPANIED BY MARY LEE WIDENER, PRESIDENT, NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSING 
            SERVICES OF AMERICA, INC.

                            OPENING REMARKS

    Senator Bond. Our third panel, Mr. Norm D'Amours, Chairman 
of the National Credit Union Administration, and Mr. George 
Knight, Executive Director of the Neighborhood Reinvestment 
Corporation. As we all know, NCUA is responsible for chartering 
and regulating Federal credit unions, itself funded through an 
operating fee. Second, Mr. Knight will testify on the 
administration's budget request for Neighborhood Reinvestment 
Corporation for a flat funding of $50 million, these funding 
not-for-profits known as NeighborWorks' Network. 
They have a long track record and have become a good model of 
how the Federal Government can spend a small amount of money 
and reap tremendous benefits. As the written testimony so well 
demonstrates, $38.7 million in fiscal year 1996 allowed the 
Neighborhood Reinvestment and NeighborWorks' to 
leverage $420 million in affordable housing investments.
    I look forward to the testimony. Mr. D'Amours.

                    STATEMENT OF NORMAN E. D'AMOURS

    Mr. D'Amours. Thank you, Chairman Bond and Senator 
Mikulski. Thanks for the opportunity to present our request 
today for funding limits on the NCUA's central liquidity 
facility, called the CLF, at current levels. As you know, the 
CLF is a liquidity source for credit unions. It is funded by 
its members, and can borrow from the Federal financing bank, 
even though no such borrowing has occurred in the last year.
    For fiscal year 1998 we request a $600 million limit on new 
loans, and a $203,000 limit on administrative expenditures. The 
requested loan limit has remained constant for 17 years. It 
should be noted that NCUA is not requesting an appropriation 
for the CLF, merely a limit on its borrowings.
    I am pleased to report to the subcommittee that we continue 
to streamline the CLF. The result is cost savings for Federal 
credit unions.
    Our expenses in fiscal year 1996 of $346,000 were 
significantly less than our budget limitation of $546,000. The 
fiscal year 1996 expenses are more than 50 percent below the 
CLF expenses of $767,000 for fiscal year 1993. All of CLF's net 
income in 1996 was returned to member credit unions in the form 
of capital stock dividends.
    In our estimation, the $600 million loan limit we are 
requesting is adequate to address unexpected liquidity needs in 
what is a very healthy and viable credit union system today. 
The request is less than 3.55 percent of the limit set by 
statute, which is 12 times paid in oncall capital or an amount 
of approximately $17 billion. The borrowing authority is not 
used to build up loan volumes, because by statute the proceeds 
from CLF cannot be used to expand credit union loan portfolios. 
Rather, these funds are advanced strictly to support the 
purposes stated in the Federal Credit Union Act, and in 
response to circumstances dictated by market events.
    Loan demand over the years has resulted in wide variances 
in the amount of outstanding CLF loan balances and individual 
advances. The relatively low utilization of our total authority 
can be viewed as a positive sign of credit unions' present 
financial condition. By the end of 1996, all loans were repaid 
and no direct loans were outstanding. However, because of a 
liquidity shortage involving one of the corporate credit 
unions, the CLF became an active liquidity center from December 
1994 through February 1995. In that time, we made 601 loans 
totaling $389 million. The majority, 509 of them, were 
overnight loans.
    As intended by Congress, the CLF acted successfully to 
provide liquidity and to maintain financial stability during a 
temporary liquidity shortage.
    Mr. Chairman, Senator Mikulski, we respectfully request 
that you support our authorization request in order to continue 
the NCUA's and CLF's ability to respond to such adverse 
liquidity situations. And that completes my oral statement. I 
would ask that my full statement be included in the record.
    Senator Bond. Without objection, it will be made part of 
the record.
    [The statement follows:]

                Prepared Statement of Norman E. D'Amours

    Mr. Chairman and Subcommittee Members. I want to thank you for the 
opportunity to present our request for funding limits on the NCUA 
Central Liquidity Facility (CLF) at current levels. Appearing with me 
today are Herbert S. Yolles, President, Central Liquidity Facility; 
Robert M. Fenner, General Counsel; David Marquis, Director of our 
Office of Examination and Insurance; and William C. Poling, our Budget 
Officer. Mr. Chairman, as you know, the CLF is a liquidity source for 
credit unions. It is funded by its members and can borrow from the 
Federal Financing Bank, even though no such borrowing has occurred in 
the past year.
    For fiscal year 1998, we request a $600 million limit on new loans 
and a $203,000 limit on administrative expenditures. The requested loan 
limit has remained constant for the last 17 years. It should be noted 
that NCUA is not requesting an appropriation for the CLF, merely 
limits.
    I am pleased to report to the subcommittee that we continue to 
streamline the CLF. The result is cost savings for credit unions. Our 
expenses in fiscal year 1996 of $346,000 were significantly less than 
our budget limitation of $546,000. The fiscal year 1996 expenses are 
more than 50 percent below the CLF expenses of $767,000 for fiscal year 
1993. All of CLF's net income in 1996 was returned to member credit 
unions in the form of capital stock dividends.
    In our estimation, the $600 million loan limit is adequate to 
address unexpected liquidity needs in credit unions. The request is 
less than 3.55 percent of the limit set by statute--12 times paid-in 
and on-call capital or $17 billion. The borrowing authority is not used 
to build up loan volumes because by statute the proceeds from CLF loans 
cannot be used to expand credit union loan portfolios. Rather, the 
funds are advanced strictly to support the purposes stated in the 
Federal Credit Union Act and in response to circumstances dictated by 
market events.
    Loan demand over the years has resulted in wide variances in the 
amount of outstanding CLF loan balances and individual advances. The 
relatively low utilization of our total authority can be viewed as a 
positive sign of credit unions' present financial condition. By the end 
of 1996, all loans were repaid and no direct loans were outstanding. 
However, because of a liquidity shortage involving one of the corporate 
credit unions, the CLF became an active liquidity lender from December 
1994 through February 1995. The CLF made 601 loans totaling $389.8 
million; the majority (509) were overnight loans.
    As intended by Congress, the CLF acted successfully to provide 
liquidity and maintain financial stability during a temporary liquidity 
shortage. Mr. Chairman, we respectively request that you support our 
authorization request in order to continue the NCUA's and CLF's ability 
to respond to such adverse liquidity situations.
    Mr. Chairman and members of the subcommittee, the credit union 
movement continues to focus on its mission of involving more people in 
America's free enterprise economy. By instilling habits of thrift and 
teaching the value and workings of financial discipline, credit unions 
are still fulfilling the mandate Congress gave them over 60 years ago. 
At NCUA, our strong commitment to the future of credit unions serving 
people of limited means remains as resolute as when I last reported to 
the subcommittee.
    For fiscal year 1997, the subcommittee approved a $1 million 
appropriation to be utilized by the Community Development Revolving 
Loan Program (CDRLP), which NCUA has administered since 1987. By any 
objective standard, the CDRLP has been an overwhelming success and 
deserving of continued Congressional support. A $2 million 
authorization, the last of a four year $10 million authorization 
(Public Law 103-325), remains for fiscal year 1998.
    Since NCUA began making loans from an original $6 million 
appropriation (now a $7 million total), we have revolved $14.4 million 
in 113 separate loans to 79 low-income credit unions. In 1996 alone we 
approved $2.9 million in loans and currently we have 6 loan 
applications for $1.4 million in funding.
    The credit unions use these loans for a variety of different 
purposes from housing rehabilitation and consumer loans to micro-
enterprise lending. We expect loan demand to increase smartly as the 
year proceeds. We have had one loss in the Revolving Loan Program for 
$35,000.
    At mid-year 1996 we recognized 298 low-income credit unions, which 
translated to a 27 percent annualized growth rate. I am proud to say 
that 13 newly state and federally chartered credit unions in 1996 
gained the low-income designation. Total assets in these financial 
cooperatives are $1.8 billion at mid-year 1996 and loan growth was 13.2 
percent. The capital ratio is a strong 11.1 percent and loan 
delinquencies (loans 60 days and more overdue) are within reasonable 
bounds at 2 percent.
    In May 1994, the NCUA adopted a new chartering and field of 
membership manual for credit unions replacing our previous version. 
These changes are set forth in Interpretive Ruling and Policy Statement 
(IRPS) 94-1 that became effective in July 1994. Changes contained in 
IRPS 94-1 allow greater flexibility for credit unions wishing to expand 
into low-income areas and make it easier for low-income credit unions 
(LICU's) to expand their fields of membership and associate themselves 
with other credit unions.
    This initiative has been one of the more important actions taken by 
the Board to encourage larger, healthy credit unions to directly reach 
out into low-income communities to give residents a non-profit 
alternative to pawn shops, check cashing outlets and the like. In this 
way people are brought into the mainstream of the U.S. economy in a 
self empowering and responsible manner.
    From July 1994 until October 1996 NCUA had granted 73 federal 
credit unions permission to open branches in these distressed 
neighborhoods and make their services available to a potential of 1.4 
million low-income residents. However, following a decision from the 
U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia and then an 
injunction from the District Court, NCUA has had to halt this 
innovative approach for providing low cost financial services to those 
who need it the most.
    The ability of credit unions to add low-income groups to their 
field of membership arises from an interpretation of the Federal Credit 
Union Act NCUA made in 1982 to allow more than one group with each 
group having a common bond be part of a credit union. The banks have 
successfully challenged this interpretation of the Act and we are 
currently waiting to see if the Supreme Court will take up an appeal.
    As I will testify before the Financial Institutions Subcommittee of 
the House Banking Committee tomorrow, NCUA believes Congress should not 
wait for the Supreme Court to rule, but change the Federal Credit Union 
Act to allow initiatives, like the one described above, to move 
forward. In doing so, Congress will also codify two essential purposes, 
or rather benefits, of the 1982 policy change: (1) by permitting 
diversity within the membership of federal credit unions, the policy 
provides a strong measure of protection against difficult economic 
conditions that affect particular groups, industries or the reality of 
military downsizing with the abatement of the cold war; and (2) it 
makes credit union service available to individuals who otherwise do 
not have access to it, such as members of groups too small to run and 
support a viable credit union on their own.
    The NCUA Board continues to explore ways to bolster low-income 
credit unions. Early last year, the Board voted unanimously to adopt a 
new interim rule permitting LICU's to immediately accept secondary 
capital funds from institutional investors. The additional capital will 
be used to support increased lending and services and provide 
additional ``matching funds'' for credit unions applying for assistance 
from the Community Development Financial Institutions Fund (Public Law 
103-325).
    The rule includes safety and soundness measures to ensure that 
depositors and participating credit unions are aware of the nature and 
risk associated with these accounts. For instance, the secondary 
capital is not insured by the federal government and this fact must be 
disclosed to investors.
    In September 1996, the NCUA Board adopted a change to our Rules and 
Regulations that removed the current cap of $120,000 for technical 
assistance, which is drawn from the earnings of the Revolving Loan Fund 
to aid LICU's. The Board believes that technical assistance is a vital 
component of the Revolving Loan Program and since 1992 we have 
disbursed 216 technical assistance grants totaling some $500,000.
    I am particularly proud of the credit union movement coming 
together for a conference held last August in Chicago. The gathering, 
known among credit unions as the ``Serving the Underserved'' 
conference, was dedicated to bringing together credit unions of all 
sizes to learn how to break down the barriers keeping people from 
becoming a part of the American, free enterprise system. The conference 
was a tremendous success.
    Mr. Chairman, I want to briefly update you on the overall condition 
of our nation's credit unions and their federal insurance fund. 
Overall, the credit union industry continues to be in excellent health.
    The National Credit Union Share Insurance Fund (NCUSIF) had its 
best operating year in its 26-year history during 1996. For the second 
consecutive year (and the third year in its history), the Fund paid 
credit unions a dividend on their 1 percent deposit into the Fund. The 
equity level at October 1996 exceeded the statutory ceiling of 1.3 
percent or $1.30 per $100 in insured shares (deposits), so NCUA 
returned a dividend totaling $102.8 million to federally insured credit 
unions. We returned a $103.9 million dividend during 1995.
    Meanwhile, the number of problem credit unions (CAMEL supervisory 
rating 4 or 5) has continued to decline each year from 1,022 in 1988 to 
a record low 286 at yearend 1996. Deposits in these problem credit 
unions represented just 0.67 percent of total insured deposits in 1996, 
compared to 6 percent of the total in 1988.
    The number of credit union failures during 1996 fell to a record 
low for the third consecutive year, dropping to 19, and requiring the 
Fund to payout $2.3 million, also a record low. The previous lows were 
22 failures in 1995, requiring $11 million in member payouts.
    Since Congress established federal share insurance for credit 
unions, the insurance fund has never had a losing year. Moreover, since 
credit unions voluntarily recapitalized their insurance fund in 1985, 
its equity level has ranged between 1.25 to 1.30 percent. The current 
level is 1.28 percent, and we are projecting that it will again climb 
to 1.30 percent by yearend 1997.
    During 1996, federally insured credit unions performed admirably by 
all objective standards. The yearend 1996 call report data have just 
arrived at the agency and the preliminary data show that total industry 
assets at the 11,429 federally insured credit unions rose 6.9 percent 
to $327 billion. Capital accumulated at the rate of 11.1 percent during 
1996, the tenth consecutive year of strong capital growth. The ratio of 
capital to assets of federally-insured credit unions, now averaging 
11.4 percent of assets, is at a record-high level; net capital is 10.8 
percent--the former minus allowance for loan losses.
    Loan delinquency and net charge-offs remain very low, actually at 
or near historic lows. The delinquency rate is 1 percent of total 
loans, while net charge-offs are 0.5 percent. Profitability, as 
evaluated by the return on average assets ratio, was a healthy 1.1 
percent for last year. This gauge of profitability has remained 
unchanged over the last year; and the loan-to-share ratio now stands at 
74.6 percent compared to 71.1 percent at yearend 1995.
    In general, corporate credit unions (which act as bankers' banks to 
the 12,000 natural-person credit unions) are also in good health. The 
risk in their investment portfolios that concerned us two years ago 
when I last appeared before this panel has been reduced significantly. 
Between September 30, 1994, and September 30, 1996, corporate credit 
unions' total holdings of Collateralized Mortgage Obligations declined 
from $10.2 billion to $4.7 billion.
    There are currently 41 corporate credit unions, of which 36 are 
federally insured. While capital in corporate credit unions remains low 
compared to that in natural person credit unions, there has been an 
increasing trend toward capital accumulation, perhaps in anticipation 
of new proposed standards the NCUA Board plans to finalize in the near 
future. The ratio of reserves and undivided earnings to assets grew 
from 2.1 percent as of December 31, 1994, to 2.65 percent as of 
December 31, 1996. During that same period, total capital to assets 
rose from 4.9 percent to 7.38 percent.
    Meanwhile, our ``conflict of interest'' regulation took effect in 
January 1996. This rule eliminated any real or perceived 
inappropriateness in the relationship between the boards of directors 
at corporate credit unions and their state and national trade 
associations. I believe that significant progress has been made in the 
condition of corporate credit unions, and that proposed revisions to 
the corporate credit union regulation will provide additional 
improvements.
    Mr. Chairman, thank you again, for the opportunity to appear before 
this subcommittee and present our requests for the Central Liquidity 
Facility. I would be pleased to answer any questions.

                       STATEMENT OF GEORGE KNIGHT

    Senator Bond. We thank you for the good news request, the 
success and the no need for appropriations.
    Let me turn to another good news story: Mr. Knight.
    Mr. Knight. Thank you.
    Mr. Chairman and members of the committee, I want to 
especially thank you for last year's appropriation. As you 
noted in 1996, the $38.7 million that you appropriated was 
leveraged, in part, into $420 million, directly impacting the 
lives of 16,000 families. Of those, 4,400 were new homeowners, 
having the opportunity to start an equity stake not only in 
their homes, but also in their families' lives, their 
neighborhoods, and their cities.
    In the past I have talked a great deal about the 
neighborhood revitalization work of the 
NeighborWorks' network. During the past year we have 
focused on looking at who else benefits, and we looked 
particularly beyond the resident-borrower to the block on which 
they live, the lender, the insurer, and the city government, 
with a real focus on the local tax base impact. I am pleased to 
report we also found that the city treasurer benefits as well. 
As property values rise, the tax base strengthens, and so do 
tax revenues.

                            LESSONS LEARNED

    Looking at what we have learned in the past 20 years, I 
wanted to summarize it for you in several quick points. First, 
raising the amounts of social investment capital currently 
needed by our secondary market, Neighborhood Housing Services 
of America--and I am delighted to have Mary Lee Widener, the 
president of that unique institution here with me--is 
challenging. We are now operating at volumes of $20 million to 
$30 million a year. We need social investments that are low-
market rate, but perceived as high risk--even though we have 
never missed a payment in 20 years. The effort to raise that 
capital is indeed prodigious.
    Second, after only 4 years of the NeighborWorks' 
Campaign for Home Ownership we have reached the 5-year goal of 
10,000 new homeowners. But I think more importantly, we have 
shown that lower-income families not only can, but want to be 
homeowners. While the portfolio is still early on those first 
8,300 owners for which we have delinquency records, the 
delinquency reports are coming in looking quite normal, if you 
will.
    Third, NeighborWorks' organizations do extend 
credit. It is an essential strategy in revitalizing a 
neighborhood. But they also are involved in a wide ranging 
number of social-service activities. And those activities are 
equally important to revitalizing a neighborhood.
    Fourth, training is terribly important, and the demand is 
tremendous. In 1993, the total of participants at the four 
neighborhood reinvestment training institutes totaled 
approximately 1,300 participants. In 1996, we had almost 2,600 
participants. Last week in Atlanta we had 750 participants 
alone.

                          EFFICIENCY MEASURES

    Fifth and finally, my board, Neighborhood Reinvestment's 
board, recently asked if we were being efficient with the 
Federal resources we are given. We looked at three issues. The 
first was were we continuing to meet the mission between 1990 
and 1996? We could have become more efficient by serving higher 
income people. However, we held the income level of the people 
served by NeighborWorks' organizations about the 
same. So we met the mission test.
    Senator Mikulski. What is that income level?
    Mr. Knight. It ranged from around 56 percent to 66 percent 
of median family income. That translates into the low $20,000 
for a family. Since many of the families we serve are single 
heads of household, that really represents a very considerable 
strain if you have a poor educational background to make 
$20,000 to $22,000 a year. That requires a $10 or $11 or $12 
an-hour job.
    Second, we looked at the leverage of the appropriation over 
the past 6 years, and indeed the private dollars leveraged have 
increased. I am pleased to report it has almost doubled from 
1990 to 1996.
    Third, we inquired into the secondary market: Were they 
able to handle and manage more aggregate assets for each dollar 
that we gave them in 1996 than in 1990? And again, the answer 
was yes, and I think a great deal of credit goes to Mary Lee, 
and to her marvelous board of trustees and the day-to-day 
operating board for that achievement.
    With that, I look forward to your questions.
    [The statement follows:]

                  Prepared Statement of George Knight

    Mr. Chairman and Members of the Committee, thank you for the 
support you have given the NeighborWorks' network and the 
Neighborhood Reinvestment Corporation. I am pleased to present the 
Corporation's request for fiscal year 1998 for $50 million. We are 
especially grateful for the fiscal year 1997 appropriation of $49.9 
million.
    In fiscal year 1996, the $38.7 million you granted Neighborhood 
Reinvestment and the NeighborWorks' network leveraged $420 
million in investment. This is a 17 percent increase over the previous 
year. The network produced almost 16,000 total units of housing, in 
addition to owning 11,000 units of affordable Mutual and rental 
housing. Of the 16,000 families, more than 4,400 families became new 
homeowners, earning an equity stake in their neighborhoods. The 
security of owning a well-insured home and the pride in paying back the 
loan creates a sense of ownership and control over the quality of the 
community. This frequently leads to action in solving the ``front-
door'' issues of crime, cleanup, education and other quality-of-life 
concerns.
    A national system for community revitalization that focuses on 
addressing the disinvestment and decline in the nation's urban, 
suburban and rural communities has been built over the last 20 years. 
Currently, we are serving more than 420 communities. The heart of this 
system is the 172 local partnerships of residents, members of the 
private sector, and public officials that constitute the 
NeighborWorks' network.
    These NeighborWorks' organizations utilize the full 
range of community development tools to positively engage the social, 
economic and real-estate dynamics of their communities. Their mission 
is focused on turning communities once shunned into neighborhoods of 
choice for the benefit of current residents. This isn't about 
demographic change; this is about engaging lower-income families in the 
mainstream economy and engaging the mainstream financial mechanisms--of 
lenders, insurance firms and Wall Street--in lower-income communities.
    NeighborWorks' organizations serve communities 
characterized by low household income--61 percent of median for African 
Americans, 66 percent for Hispanics. NeighborWorks' 
communities are also characterized by low rates of home ownership--only 
44 percent compared to the national rate of 67 percent.
    Who else beyond families and lenders and insurance firms benefit 
from this reinvestment activity? Local taxpayers benefit as 
neighborhood real-estate markets and, thus, tax bases strengthen. In 
Savannah, Georgia's Dixon Park neighborhood, the 
NeighborWorks' organization tackled a block with 23 
properties, seven of which were severely dilapidated and unoccupied. 
After purchase, rehabilitation and sale to new homeowners, the 16 
occupied properties now show tax assessment increases of over 65 
percent. Needless to say, the seven previously dilapidated properties 
show a dramatically higher increase, with tax assessment increases 
averaging 337 percent. As a whole, tax assessments for all 23 
properties on the block increased by 109 percent--from $777,000 to $1.6 
million. Everyone benefitted. More dramatically, in declining markets 
such as New Haven, Connecticut, the NeighborWorks' 
neighborhood held its own in property values between 1990 and 1995, 
even as the city's fell 25 percent.
    Beyond the resident owner, the city treasurer and lenders, the next 
generation of families in NeighborWorks' communities also 
benefits. The assets built by lower-income families who invest in home 
ownership are a key ingredient for their future success. Children who 
grow up with a stable place to live have improved educational 
achievement,\1\ and when the time comes for college, the inter-
generational asset transfer mechanism of a home equity loan is 
available for tuition.
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    \1\ Richard Green and Michael White, Measuring the Benefits of 
Homeowning: Effects on Children, cited in ``Housing Policy Debate,'' 
Volume 7, 1996.
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    Does this always happen? No. It can easily be derailed by local 
organizational failure, local economic collapse and a host of other 
external macro reasons. Our experience, however, is that a difference 
can be made and measured.
    How do we sustain and increase this? Neighborhood Reinvestment's 
role is four-fold:
    (1) To work with organizations that meet basic programmatic and 
financial health thresholds to expand their capacity;
    (2) To offer intense nuts-and-bolts training to the housing and 
community development field;
    (3) To support Neighborhood Housing Services of America, Inc. 
(NHSA) with low-cost capital so that it remains a strong financial 
backstop to the NeighborWorks' system. This enables every 
responsible homeowner or would-be homeowner--no matter how poor--to 
borrow the necessary resources to maintain or secure a safe home; and,
    (4) To monitor each local NeighborWorks' organization 
for continued responsible financial and programmatic results.
    What hampers vastly greater impact?
    For local NeighborWorks' organizations, the main 
impediment is insufficient amounts of: (1) Flexible, low-cost, equity 
capital; and, (2) Funds to put loan counselors, rehab specialists and 
community intervention specialists on the streets.
    For Neighborhood Housing Services of America, the ongoing struggle 
is to create and extend multi-year social-investor incentives and 
mechanisms that will assure vastly greater sums of low-market-priced 
capital.
    What have we learned?
    (1) First, that raising social-investment capital for NHSA--
especially in the volumes now needed--is difficult. The low market 
financial return combined with a perceived high risk, even though NHSA 
has never missed a payment, results in laborious capital-raising 
strategies. I'd be remiss to not thank the Trustee and Board leadership 
of NHSA for their incredible success in raising more than $250 million 
in investment funds.
    (2) Lower-income families want to be homeowners--and can be. Four 
years ago I informed you that a group of NeighborWorks' 
organizations were setting out to create 10,000 new homeowners, 
resulting in investment of $650 million in the subsequent five years. 
But when the tally is finalized at the end of four years, the five-year 
goal already will have been met: 10,100 new homeowners backed by at 
least $625 million invested in their homes and neighborhoods. More 
importantly, the 30-60-90 day delinquency rate is 4.70 percent, 
compared to about 3 percent for the conventional markets and 6-to-7 
percent for government loans.
    (3) Social service activities--reducing crime, providing 
alternative recreation and learning opportunities, cleaning up streets 
and vacant lots, enforcing building and health codes--all help to 
create confidence in the neighborhood as a place of choice. These 
``front-door'' issues, when addressed, lead to spontaneous sociability 
so that the ill neighbor is cared for and not ignored, so that doors 
are knocked on for block celebrations, so that the local school is 
supported.
    (4) Training works and is in tremendous demand. Three years ago the 
four Training Institutes attracted 1,268 participants for 31,696 
contact hours. In fiscal year 1996 that had increased approximately 105 
percent for participants (2,595) and 85 percent for contact hours 
(58,606).
    (5) Financially and most importantly, this work is being done 
efficiently with federal resources. Our board of directors requested a 
report on multi-year efficiency. Balancing many factors, three measures 
were utilized (charts follow):
  --The first is the mission test: Over five years, has the 
        NeighborWorks' system continued to serve lower-
        income families? The answer is yes: median incomes were 58 
        percent in 1990 and rose slightly to 66 percent by 1996, 
        primarily because of an increased emphasis on recruiting new 
        homeowners into these distressed communities.
  --The second efficiency test measured the total investments by 
        NeighborWorks' organizations against the 
        Congressional appropriation. That grew from a 5:1 ratio in 1990 
        to a 9:1 ratio in 1995. And the investment ratio measures only 
        the real-estate-related parts of a NeighborWorks' 
        organization's efforts: it ignores local social-service 
        activities and does not directly capture our training efforts. 
        Overall, the amount of private-sector investment leveraged by 
        public-sector investment has increased steadily since 1993.
  --The third efficiency test looked at NHSA in terms of total assets 
        managed compared to operating costs. That also nearly doubled 
        from 1990 to 1995.
    We are grateful for your support and energetically look forward to 
a successful completion of 1997 and continued opportunities in 1998. I 
look forward to your questions.

  NHSA's Total Assets vs. Neighborhood Reinvestments's Administrative 
                              Grant to NHSA

                                                           Dollars:Ratio
1990..............................................................27.7:1
1991..............................................................26.4:1
1992..............................................................29.9:1
1993..............................................................35.8:1
1994..............................................................33.3:1
1995..............................................................45.9:1
1996..............................................................48.6:1

NeighborWorks Organizations Total Investment vs. Neighborhood 
                      Reinvestment's Appropriation

                                                           Dollars:Ratio
1990.............................................................. 5.3:1
1991.............................................................. 5.8:1
1992.............................................................. 6.4:1
1993.............................................................. 7.4:1
1994.............................................................. 8.5:1
1995.............................................................. 9.2:1
1996..............................................................10.8:1
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  NHSA's Clients Median Household Income--As a Percentage of National 
                         Median Household Income

                     [1996 National Median=$35,200]

                                                              Percentage
1990..............................................................    58
1991..............................................................    59
1992..............................................................    60
1993..............................................................    62
1994..............................................................    61
1995..............................................................    65
1996..............................................................    66

    Senator Bond. Thank you very much, Mr. Knight.
    I will turn to my ranking member, Senator Mikulski, for her 
questions.
    Senator Mikulski. Senator Bond is being very generous to 
let me go first. I have to leave for a leadership meeting, and 
I really will have some written questions for you, Mr. 
D'Amours, and again, welcome. We were colleagues on merchant 
marine and fisheries and oceanography in another life.
    Mr. D'Amours. Thank you, Senator. It is good to see you.
    Senator Mikulski. I would like to go directly to the 
Neighborhood Reinvestment Corporation. Mr. Knight and your 
staff, you know I have been a big fan of Neighborhood 
Reinvestment, and in my stewardship worked to see it move 
ahead. As it moved ahead, I became concerned about a couple of 
things. One, could your institution keep its entrepreneurial 
approach in place to meet the needs of communities, and then 
second, could you avoid becoming a comfort or complacency zone 
because you were successful.
    Now, what I would like to do is use southeast Baltimore as 
an example. Tell me how Neighborhood Reinvestment continues to 
follow the same mission, of entrepreneurship in working with 
local community leaders? Could you tell me what are the three 
goals for your involvement in the southeast Baltimore project? 
What measures are you using to determine whether you are 
successful or not?

                      GOALS FOR SOUTHERN BALTIMORE

    Mr. Knight. Our three goals are somewhat simpler to state 
than they are to achieve in a short period of time. The first 
is to strengthen home ownership; that is, to increase the 
percentage of home ownership in southeast Baltimore. We can 
look at two kinds of measures, process and absolute change. We 
can look at the process measures of how many new homeowners, 
such as the 50 new homeowners since last June, as well as what 
kind of funds we have available. USAA has put forward funds, in 
addition to many, many local institutions in Baltimore at a 
rate of about 6.5 percent. The long-term measurement, however, 
will come over time, and we have a database in place to start 
tracking the absolute change in ownership.
    Second, stabilize the community. This includes a wide range 
of activities to increase the confidence of individuals in the 
neighborhood. Among the actions to date has been to create a 
large coalition of organizations tackling a wide range of 
things. For example, encouraging local institutions to help 
finance their employees to purchase homes in the neighborhood, 
rewarding homeowners for purchasing in a neighborhood by 
providing scholarships to the local school, working with 
realtors to promote the neighborhoods and to cleanup and fix-up 
kinds of things. Again, the measurement over time will be the 
absolute change in market value.
    Third, to decrease, significantly decrease, the number of 
specific eyesore properties. At this point there are almost 100 
properties individually identified. We have, through one of our 
partners there, begun to prioritize legal action. A number of 
individual buildings have been purchased and are under 
construction. We are seeking funds to purchase more buildings. 
The absolute measurement will be the decrease in the number of 
eyesores.
    I think on all three measures, frankly, from my perspective 
we will know first from the residents whether they think it is 
going well or not.

                          HOPE VI IN BALTIMORE

    Senator Mikulski. Well, Mr. Knight, I am interested in what 
was the Neighborhood Reinvestment Corporation or the 
Neighborhood Housing Services of Baltimore's intervention. Just 
for the committee, southeast Baltimore is a wonderful 
community. I represented it as a city councilwoman, and it 
faced two converging influences, one by problems created by 
sheer demography, meaning a population aging in place, and also 
undergoing both an economic and ethnic change. But, second, it 
was steadily and gradually moving from primarily a European 
ethnic community to a multiethnic, multiracial community, and 
very nicely.
    Then, along came a HOPE VI project in Baltimore called 
Lafayette, and when the public housing came down, the Public 
Housing Authority did not stand sentry. They simply dumped 
everybody from public housing into this area with no screening 
for section 8 assistance, and, therefore, the very role of 
Government became a significant and forceful aspect of 
destabilization. Section 8, because of its inappropriate use, 
was also a tool for destabilization. And you had neighborhood 
organizations going through heartbreak, and also deinvesting 
and also leaving the community.
    Am I right in summarizing that?
    Mr. Knight. Absolutely correct.
    Senator Mikulski. And the city took no action to correct 
itself, yet the community organizations were being quite 
gallant in trying to fortify the neighborhood.
    Now, it was our suggestion that Neighborhood Reinvestment 
Corporation come in to deal with this. Could you just very 
briefly say how you have stopped the destabilization? What 
organizations from Neighborhood Reinvestment stopped the 
destabilization, and what community organizations have you 
worked with, and what were your methods?
    This was a very melancholy situation in Baltimore, Mr. 
Chairman, when the very program that I helped create called 
HOPE VI had become a destabilizing tool for one of the 
neighborhoods that I had represented--a neighborhood that had 
moved very gracefully and effectively toward racial 
integration.
    Mr. Knight. The organizations including the 
NeighborWorks' organization, the Baltimore 
Neighborhood Housing Services, to the Able Foundation, Johns 
Hopkins, a series of community based CDC's, such as east 
Fayette, SDI, a whole series of smaller property-owning or 
would-be property-owning organizations, have formed a loose 
coalition in which each continues their activity but becomes 
identified under a unifying visual umbrella, if you will, 
called Southeast Partners at Work. Working together has really 
helped to focus broader attention on this southeast 
revitalization initiative.
    Senator Mikulski. Did you create that?
    Mr. Knight. It certainly was an idea that came up in the 
meetings in southeast Baltimore that we convened, yes. We 
really see our role as the catalyst to get those kinds of 
activities moving forward.
    Mary Lee has managed to raise several million dollars in 
low-market rate interest money that has enabled a number of 
stalled construction projects to plunge forward with rapidity. 
We have also succeeded in raising some first mortgage money, 
again through the secondary market, at a rate of 6.5 percent, 
that is enabling a very attractive incentive, if you will, to 
those who would move into the neighborhood as homeowners.
    Senator Mikulski. Well, I know my time is up.
    I also understand you have been working with local realtors 
in the private sector. But as I understand it, then the major 
force from Neighborhood Reinvestment to pull together different 
groups and help these groups empower themselves by being a 
loose federation or coalition, was Neighborhood Housing 
Services. Is that not the major tool?
    Mr. Knight. Neighborhood Housing Services of Baltimore, 
yes, is the major point, around which local organizations were 
convened to take the action. Neighborhood Reinvestment staff's 
role is to convene groups, just as we did on the Navajo 
Reservation to start a new organization on the Navajo Nation.
    Senator Mikulski. Well, we could elaborate. I want you to 
know I continue to be a great supporter of Neighborhood 
Reinvestment Corporation. Going through this hopefully was 
informative for the chair, because it really shows how 
Government itself is both a tool and also a problem. And 
Neighborhood Reinvestment Corporation came in and worked with 
what was already there, and organized it in a way that began to 
stabilize it. There are lots of interesting stories, including 
men organizing midnight barbecues. You know, we had drug 
dealers, so instead of midnight basketball, the men of the 
community just would go out on weekends and barbecue. They 
would have friendship and fellowship and push those drug 
dealers off the streets.
    Mr. Knight. Thank you for your support.
    Senator Bond. Thank you, Madam Chair. I would be far more 
interested in a midnight barbecue than midnight basketball. I 
have gotten past the age when basketball is that appealing to 
me.

                            THE HOME PROGRAM

    Senator Bond. Mr. Knight, would you not say that your model 
really is one that should be a model for every community in 
administering the HOME Program? Is this not a test case for 
what we would hope that local governments would be doing with 
the flexibility we are giving them. It seems to me you are 
bringing it all together.
    Mr. Knight. We would hope so, and that is why we spend so 
much effort training others to share these techniques, with 
people from a wide variety of backgrounds. Our training events 
bring together representatives of the public sector, private 
sector, community based groups, and church groups to learn from 
each other. We think this approach is far more effective than 
vastly larger sums of money that would be spent.
    Senator Bond. Do not worry about the vastly larger sums of 
money. To the extent that we get any money, it has already been 
claimed.
    Have you worked with communities? Are there people from 
local housing authorities or appropriate community development 
people from areas which do not have a NeighborWorks' 
Program coming in to see what you are doing?
    Mr. Knight. Yes; absolutely.
    Senator Bond. Are you able to train these people and show 
them what you are doing works?

                     NAVAJO PARTNERSHIP FOR HOUSING

    Mr. Knight. Yes; we have just completed a little more than 
\1/2\ year's work with the Navajo Nation, creating the Navajo 
Partnership for Housing. It will, we hope, over the next 
several years lead to the production of 10,000 units of 
moderate housing on tribal lands, which is desperately needed. 
It is a partnership composed of many local financial 
institutions, several national institutions, including Fannie 
Mae Federal Home Loan Bank of Seattle, Zion National Bank, 
Northwest, and many local institutions and the nation, itself. 
Residents of several of their subgroupings--chapters, as they 
refer to it inside the nation--created an environment in which 
people could talk, work, and come to local solutions 
themselves.

                         rural housing concerns

    Senator Bond. Outside of the native American Nation, I am 
very much concerned about some of the problems we have in rural 
areas, and Missouri has a lot of these. I do not know if you 
have the same problems in Maryland.
    Senator Mikulski. Yes.
    Senator Bond. But rural housing needs are very challenging 
in many parts of Missouri. What is Neighborhood Reinvestment's 
experience in rural areas? Do you see the problems and the 
solutions differing, and any special approaches for addressing 
unique needs of affordable housing and community development? 
The chicken and egg problem, do you need the jobs first or the 
housing? Can you get the jobs without the housing, can you get 
the housing without the jobs? That is something that community 
and the town I live in is facing, and it has been a tough one.
    Mr. Knight. Sometimes it's a chicken and egg problem--and 
some of our responsibility, I believe--is to step forward and 
take the risk. In Colorado, in the intermountain area, we are 
affiliated with an organization called Colorado Rural Housing 
Development Corp., that works in smaller towns to basically 
create subdivisions.
    Now, that may be a glorified term for a group of 10 houses 
that are built, but someone has to assemble the land, get the 
infrastructure in, and at that point, with either local or 
statewide is financial backing, a contractor will come in and 
build those 10 homes, particularly if that organization is 
working with individuals who will purchase the homes. Once this 
process starts it gives confidence to smaller industries and/or 
employers to say now that there is housing, we will invest in 
this community.
    I just returned from Dimmit County, TX, which is about as 
rural as one can get. It is one of the poorest counties in the 
Nation, and they are doing exactly this and meeting with great 
success. Frankly, it may help one of their last private 
employers there, because now they will be able to purchase--
this is not a giveaway--purchase a home that would meet the 
contemporary living standards of Eagle Pass, the next nearest 
town.
    Senator Bond. We will be interested to find out about that 
experience.

                                  CDFI

    I will address a question to you and Mr. D'Amours. Just 
before you testified, we heard about a new idea, the CDFI, and 
based on your experience, what kind of direction, guidance 
would you give to CDFI? What kind of pitfalls do you think they 
ought to be aware of?
    Mr. Knight. Our experience is in working with 
NeighborWorks' organizations which make basically 
the nonconventional, uneconomic loan. Our tandem lending 
approach and small rehabilitation loans allow the private-
sector loan to work. The NeighborWorks' loan gets 
paid back, but its small size and low return makes it not 
feasible for a financial institution.
    We think there is a great need for these niche kinds of 
lending efforts. There is really at this point insufficient 
capital to do them. We do as much as we can.
    I think the ability of a secondary market like NHSA is 
frankly part of the genius in helping a local rural area. Rural 
organizations may be able to raise a pot of money once, but it 
is awfully hard the second time. If they can make loans and 
sell those loans, then they have funds to keep lending and 
reselling. Frankly, the innovation of the secondary market, has 
made a great deal of our success possible.
    Senator Bond. Thank you, Mr. Knight.
    Mr. D'Amours, I know that the NCUA administers a $7 million 
community development revolving loan program not unlike the 
CDFI. I wonder if you have any words of wisdom or suggestions 
on how the CDFI can be achieved, and how is the program working 
in your area?
    Mr. D'Amours. Thank you, Senator. As a matter of fact, the 
community development revolving loan program was passed in 
1979. I was on the House Banking Committee when we approved 
that.
    The CDFI bill, or the Riegle bill, so-called at the time, 
when he was chair of the Senate Banking Committee----
    Senator Bond. And that is a good way to get your name on a 
bill.
    Mr. D'Amours [continuing]. Passed in 1994. Right. That is a 
good way to become internalized.
    The recommendations I would have, frankly, without having 
any real authority to make them, but since you have asked, 
would be to simplify the application procedure. We know, for 
instance, out of the 268, I believe Mr. Hawke testified, 
transactions last year, 50 of them were credit unions and only 
a small handful received anything.
    At NCUA, we operate the community development revolving 
loan program very simply. The application is simple. It is only 
available to the low-income credit unions. These are credit 
unions 60 percent of which are below $10 million, a near 
majority of which are below $2 million.
    Our administrative costs at NCUA are nil. We administer 
this program as an agency program. We absorb whatever 
administrative costs, which are not very high, are connected 
with it. In the credit union situation the money gets right 
down to the people who need it most. It is done as a loan, not 
as a grant. Money of the CDFI programs are grants for credit 
unions rather than loans. Our money is repaid. We use the 
interest of that money for technical assistance aid to credit 
unions.
    I think probably in my experience, I know that a lot of the 
credit unions which could really make use, small, low-income 
credit unions which are in the inner city or in that isolated 
rural area that you are concerned about, Senator, are not 
applying for CDFI moneys because the application process is a 
little too complex, a little too complicated for their very, 
very limited resources.

                SUPREME COURT DECISION ON CREDIT UNIONS

    Senator Bond. I appreciate your views on that.
    As I indicated, we congratulate you on the situation you 
find yourself in, that the insurance fund had its best 
operating year in its 26-year history, and the number of 
problem credit unions has continued to decline, and they show 
strong capital growth.
    As we noted, the Supreme Court granted certiorari yesterday 
on the U.S. Court of Appeals decision. What do you see the 
impact on credit unions being should the Supreme Court uphold 
the court of appeals decision?
    Mr. D'Amours. The impact over the long term would be very, 
very serious, if not devastating, depending upon how the 
district court ultimately would implement the court's decision.
    There is a partial stay in existence as to the district 
courts, Judge Jackson's injunction, which allows credit unions 
to continue serving those members they now have even though 
those members may share a single common bond.
    That injunction could conceivably and logically under the 
original court decision of the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals be 
expanded so that they cannot serve even extant members. That 
would be absolutely devastating.
    But even if that does not occur, Senator, over the long 
period of time, what I think most people forget when they look 
at credit unions is that whatever their size, whatever their 
location, there are people in that credit union serving 
disconnected groups, perhaps, in terms of common bond, each of 
these groups being unable on their own to form sufficient mass 
to operate a separate and distinct credit union.
    These can be very low-income people, minimum-wage people, 
janitors, secretaries, part-time workers and the like, who 
would be deprived of credit union services, which are the only 
alternative these people have to the loan shark, the pawn shop, 
the rent-to-own store, and in some cases check-cashing 
operations.
    So we are very hopeful that we will prevail in the Supreme 
Court, and if we do not, or even while we are in that process, 
that both the House and Senate would look very seriously at the 
financial empowerment that credit unions provide that will be 
lost unless this challenge to the credit union common bond 
system is handled properly.
    Senator Bond. So you are saying the justification is that 
this is a necessary service that can be provided, this ability 
to go beyond what has traditionally been called a common 
association. I am a little sensitive of the term, common bond. 
[Laughter.]
    But a common association is for low-income, disadvantaged 
individuals. This is a strong justification for that.
    Mr. D'Amours. Absolutely. Common bond is nothing endemic to 
the definition of credit unions. It is something that happened 
topsy-ish as credit unions developed. It is not a part of the 
credit union definition. It is not necessary to achieve their 
purposes.
    It is being used by some, trying to be used by some as a 
limiting factor. It was never intended in our view to be a 
limiting factor, and if this effort succeeds, the effort of 
credit unions and their ability to bring people into the 
American economic free enterprise system would be lost, because 
the banks are not going to do it unless they are required to 
under CRA, and only to the extent they are required to under 
CRA.
    It would be shameful. It would be sad for America if this 
ability of the credit union financial system to reach out and 
empower people in isolated rural areas or in the inner city 
were lost.

                  MODERNIZATION OF FINANCIAL SERVICES

    Senator Bond. As Congress and the banking leaders work 
toward a modernization of financial services, and they are 
going to address the Glass-Stiegle fire walls that is going to 
be in for revision, what do you see as the future role of 
credit unions?
    Mr. D'Amours. I do not think the two are related 
whatsoever.
    Senator Bond. There will not be any impact on the members 
you serve?
    Mr. D'Amours. No, sir.
    Senator Bond. If there are broadening and consolidating 
financial services through permitting securities firms to own 
banks and banks to own securities firms, if that comes about, 
there will not be any area in which the credit unions would 
wish to participate?
    Mr. D'Amours. No, sir; credit unions are prohibited from 
investment in these kinds of areas from commercial investments, 
for the most part, from securities investments. Credit unions 
operate in an investment perspective within a narrow niche. 
Their job is to make loans, and we have been stressing that at 
NCUA.
    Senator Bond. So you would not, from a credit union 
standpoint, if a larger financial institution wanted to set up 
a credit union to serve a target area of need, you would not 
see any justification for expanding existing authority to make 
that service available?
    Mr. D'Amours. We would not want credit unions to start to 
get into the banking business, if that is what the question 
implies. Absolutely. Credit unions have their niche. They have 
filled that niche. They have been doing the job they were 
supposed to do very, very well. We do not want to be banks.
    We would welcome banks if they wanted a credit union 
charter to do what credit unions do, but we have no ambition to 
take over their work.

                     Additional committee questions

    Senator Bond. Thank you very much, Mr. D'Amours.
    Mr. Knight, we appreciate your testimony. We will leave the 
record open in case there are additional questions that members 
of the committee want to ask. Your full statements will be made 
a matter of record.
    [The following questions were not asked at the hearing, but 
were submitted to the Administration for response subsequent to 
the hearing:]
                Questions Submitted by Senator Mikulski
    Question. What is the status of the Baltimore Progressive Federal 
Credit Union situation?
    Answer. Baltimore Progressive Federal Credit Union was liquidated 
on January 30, 1997. Its members are now eligible to receive services 
from Citadel Federal Credit Union, which offers services less than one 
mile from Baltimore Progressive's location.
    Question. What is the National Credit Union Administration doing in 
low income communities today?
    Answer. I enclose our 1996 Yearend Report on Low-Income Credit 
Unions, which describes our efforts to expand financial services to 
low-income Americans, and respectfully request its inclusion in the 
hearing record.
    Question.What is the potential impact of the pending case between 
the NCUA and the banking industry?
    Answer. As you know, the Supreme Court is hearing arguments on 
October 6, 1997, on the case challenging NCUA's interpretation of the 
Federal Credit Union Act's field of membership provision. After the 
banks suffered a number of losses at various U.S. District Courts, the 
U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia, in July, 1996, 
reversed the District Court and determined that all members of an 
occupational credit union must share a single common bond. The Appeals 
Court remanded the case for implementation to the District Court. That 
Court enjoined NCUA and all federally chartered credit unions in the 
U.S. from enrolling new groups and new members from existing groups 
that did not share a common bond with the credit union's core 
(original) membership.
    In December, the Appeals Court stayed an important part of the 
District Court's injunction. Federal credit unions, for now, can 
continue enrolling new members from existing membership groups with 
differing common bonds so long as those groups were affiliated prior to 
the District Court's October 25, 1996, injunction. However, federal 
credit unions remain barred from adding to their charters any new 
groups which do not share a common bond with their core group.
    This (in our opinion) erroneous interpretation of the common bond 
provisions of the Federal Credit Union Act could severely limit the 
viability of a federal credit union whose membership includes the 
employees of one sponsor organization, if that organization downsizes, 
relocates or goes out of business. The limitation places these credit 
unions at an unnecessary risk occasioned by a downturn in a single 
industry or sector of the economy. The NCUA Board believes that 
Congress should act now to clarify the Federal Credit Union Act on the 
question of common bond and to obviate the negative safety and 
soundness implications of court actions crippling the ability of credit 
unions to serve different groups that each have a common bond.
    Should the courts ultimately decide to force a complete roll-back 
of our 1982 policy by ordering credit unions to divest existing members 
from unrelated groups, the potential for substantial losses would be 
significant and immediate for some 3,586 federally insured credit 
unions serving 157,000 groups.
    Many of these groups have fewer than the 500 potential members 
needed, as a minimum, to organize and maintain a viable credit union. 
Thus, millions of Americans would lose or be deprived of the financial 
services they have chosen or desire, financial services Congress has 
for 63 years directed NCUA and its predecessors to make available to 
them.
    There are limited regulatory steps NCUA may be able to take in 
order to alleviate the problem for some credit unions. However, if the 
court's decision stands, only Congress can completely fix the problem.
    Since small businesses, which are usually defined as having fewer 
than 500 employees (the critical mass needed for credit union 
viability), represent the largest and fastest growing segment of the 
United States economy, a significant portion of the workforce could be 
denied access to credit union services if the Court of Appeals decision 
is not reversed. Prohibiting small business employees from joining 
existing credit unions would hamper credit unions' efforts to meet 
their statutory mandate to provide financial services to low- and 
moderate-income workers.
    According to Commerce Department data, the 6.18 million businesses 
in 1990 employed 93.48 million people. Of these 6.18 million 
businesses, 99 percent employed fewer than 500 employees (a total of 75 
million people).
    As we enter the 21st century, the changing nature of our national 
and world economies make it reasonable to expect continuous 
downsizings, mergers, and the complete elimination of companies and 
whole industries. Occupational credit unions remain extremely 
susceptible to these economic changes.
    Federal credit unions have remained healthy and have grown because 
they invested substantial capital in achieving economic strength and 
diversity through the addition of select groups. Deprived of this 
option, even without the draconian order to divest existing groups, 
many credit unions over time will suffer unbearable losses and their 
members will lose needed services. Their liquidation or merger would 
significantly affect the federal insurance fund and the health of the 
entire industry.
    The assets, shares and loans of the 3,586 multiple-group federal 
credit unions at year-end 1995 comprised a substantial portion of the 
industry's total:
    Assets.--$150 billion (approximately 78 percent of $190 billion in 
total assets held by federal credit unions.)
    Loans.--$94.6 billion (approximately 78 percent of $120.5 billion 
in total loans held by federal credit unions.)
    Shares.--$132.8 billion (approximately 79 percent of $170.3 billion 
in total shares held by federal credit unions.)
    These statistics illustrate the potentially devastating impact of 
preventing federal credit unions from continuing to add new groups or 
new members from existing select groups. As the remaining employees of 
existing select groups become older, they borrow less and save more. 
Therefore, the inability of a credit union to add sufficient numbers of 
new members will dry up the pool of younger members who tend to borrow. 
The higher rates of income generated from loans will be reduced, making 
it difficult to maintain existing rates paid on savings. The result is 
an ultimately fatal asset-liability mismatch.
    Moreover, in reliance on NCUA's 15-year multi-group field of 
membership policy, many federal credit unions have invested substantial 
sums to create an infrastructure to support select group expansion. 
Credit unions have spent millions of dollars on branch offices, data 
processing, personnel and other enhancements allowing credit unions to 
service the additional members of these groups. As people change jobs, 
move away, retire and die, and the credit union is prevented from 
adding additional members or groups, it will lose its ability to 
sustain the cost of these enhancements, adding yet more costs to an 
already deteriorating income stream.
    We expect to win the Supreme Court case, but if the case comes out 
against us, we will continue to work for a legislative solution.

                          SUBCOMMITTEE RECESS

    Senator Bond. We appreciate your patience in waiting for 
us, and with that the hearing is recessed. Thank you.
    [Whereupon, at 11:50 a.m., Thursday, February 25, the 
subcommittee was recessed, to reconvene subject to the call of 
the Chair.]


 DEPARTMENTS OF VETERANS AFFAIRS AND HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT AND 
        INDEPENDENT AGENCIES APPROPRIATIONS FOR FISCAL YEAR 1998

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                         TUESDAY, MARCH 4, 1997

                                       U.S. Senate,
           Subcommittee of the Committee on Appropriations,
                                                    Washington, DC.
    The subcommittee met at 9:37 a.m., in room SD-138, Dirksen 
Senate Office Building, Hon. Christopher S. Bond (chairman) 
presiding.
    Present: Senators Bond, Burns, Stevens, Shelby, Campbell, 
Mikulski, and Boxer.

             CORPORATION FOR NATIONAL AND COMMUNITY SERVICE

STATEMENT OF HARRIS WOFFORD, CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER
ACCOMPANIED BY DONNA CUNNINGHAME, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER

                OPENING STATEMENT OF CHRISTOPHER S. BOND

    Senator Bond. Good morning. The VA, HUD, and Independent 
Agencies Subcommittee will come to order. This is the 
subcommittee's second hearing on the fiscal year 1998 budget 
and I welcome our witnesses and guests this morning. The 
Appropriations Committee and the VA-HUD Appropriations 
Subcommittee in particular will face another year of very, very 
difficult budget decisions as Congress continues to refocus its 
priorities and seeks to balance the budget of the Federal 
Government by the year 2002.
    I emphasize our continuing need to stay focused on 
balancing the Federal budget, including the need to continue to 
be proactive in consolidating and reforming our many Federal 
programs, including many under this subcommittee's 
jurisdiction. We have done much over the last several years, 
but there is still much to be done.
    The President's fiscal year 1998 budget in my view has not 
yet set forth a blueprint for fiscal responsibility, and 
without meaningful policy changes now the deficit will 
skyrocket by the year 2010, when many of the baby boomers begin 
to retire.
    As it applies to the current year, the President's budget 
optimistically proposes some $92 billion in budget authority 
for the departments and agencies in the VA, HUD, and 
Independent Agencies Subcommittee, of which $72 billion is 
discretionary spending. The amount proposed represents an 
increase of approximately $8 billion over the current year's 
level, and certainly we could spend all of that and more. There 
is no question that many of the activities that we have in this 
subcommittee are under great pressure.
    I would love to have available the kinds of funds the 
President proposes. But given the very real problems elsewhere 
in the budget, the significant problems faced in the defense 
budget with the costs of our ongoing activities and Bosnia, 
Kuwait, and elsewhere, the fact that the deficit in the 
President's request actually goes up for the coming year, the 
fact that our FEMA moneys are proposed to be off budget when we 
fought so hard in the past couple of years to be responsible 
and include the emergency spending authority and outlays in the 
budget and account for them, I would say that it is very, very 
optimistic to think that we would have anything like the budget 
authority that the President has proposed under the 
congressional resolution.
    I would say, therefore, absent some compelling reasons, it 
is going to be very difficult for this subcommittee as a 
practical matter to provide any increases over our 1997 budget 
levels. We will work to obtain as much authority as we can 
find, but I would have to say that this does not appear 
optimistic and does not appear promising at this point.
    This morning we take testimony from five of the independent 
agencies under the subcommittee's jurisdiction: The Corporation 
for National and Community Service, the Court of Veterans 
Appeals, the American Battle Monuments Commission, the 
cemeterial expenses for the Army, and the Selective Service 
System. These are important programs and activities and I look 
forward to their testimony.
    We will call as our first witness Mr. Harris Wofford, our 
former colleague, now Chief Executive Officer of the 
Corporation for National and Community Service. The 
administration's budget request for the Corporation for fiscal 
year 1998 totals some $546.5 million, an increase of $146 
million or 36 percent from the Corporation's enacted 
appropriation for fiscal year 1997 of $400 million.
    As we all know, the Corporation was established by the 
National and Community Service Trust Act of 1993 to provide 
opportunities for national and community service and to provide 
national service education awards. The Corporation makes grants 
by formula, competitive, and national direct, to States, 
institutions of higher education, public and private nonprofits 
and others to create service opportunities for a wide variety 
of individuals, such as students, out of school youth, and 
adults, through a variety of full time and part time national 
and community service programs.
    National service participants may receive educational 
payment awards for higher education, vocational education, job 
training, or school to work programs.
    The Corporation has many laudable and important goals, and 
certainly no one has been a stronger champion of these goals 
than my colleague, friend, and ranking member, the 
distinguished Senator from Maryland, Senator Mikulski. 
Nevertheless, there remain significant issues concerning the 
implementation of the program and the financial management of 
the controls that are being exercised.
    First, funding of what is essentially still a new and 
unproven program at $546 plus million in fiscal year 1998 is 
problematic, especially when the Congress, as I said, is 
confronting the budget deficit, especially when the 
subcommittee may be short of adequate funds for a number of 
longstanding funding priorities, such as veterans medical care 
and the renewal of section 8 contracts for low-income families, 
including the elderly and the disabled.
    In addition, there are some significant financial and 
management issues facing the Corporation. For example, the 
Corporation has submitted only one annual report, including one 
financial statement, and that report covered activities for 
fiscal year 1994. Moreover, as I understand it, the Corporation 
is currently unable to reconcile its financial accounts for 
fiscal years 1994, 1995, and 1996, to the degree that as of 
December 1996 some $38 million in AmeriCorps funding could not 
be accounted for.
    If I am wrong in that supposition, I would be pleased to be 
corrected.
    Finally, I have concerns about the mission of the 
Corporation and how it is being carried out. While the 
AmeriCorps Program has been touted as a program designed to 
help young people who perform public service pay for college, 
the program continues to have problems with the dropout rate in 
the program, the educational usage, and, most important, the 
final cost to the taxpayer of an educational award under the 
AmeriCorps Program.
    For example, a recent February 1997 GAO study on the role 
of State commissions in implementing the AmeriCorps Program has 
raised several significant concerns for me. First, the overall 
rate for the programs reviewed under the GAO study indicates 
that the median dropout rate for the program participants was 
39 percent. In other words, almost two out of every five 
participants in the program did not complete the program.
    In addition, the GAO report identified a number of concerns 
in each of the individual programs reviewed. For example, in 
the Casa Verde Builders Program in Texas, at a cost of $2.5 
million, 38 of the 64 participants, or 59 percent, ended the 
program early, with less than one-third of the participants 
earning an award and only 4 participants using an award. This 
means the program paid over $600,000 per education award.
    Using these funds for Pell grants or some other kind of 
education assistance obviously could serve a far greater number 
of families and young people in paying for education. Moreover, 
in the Casa Verde Builders Program, even if all eligible 
participants used their educational award, it would still cost 
over $106,000 per person plus $4,725 for the educational award, 
for a total cost of over $110,000. This means, excluding 
private sector contributions, the taxpayer still would end up 
paying approximately $102,000 per educational award.
    The bottom line is I am very much concerned the AmeriCorps 
Program is turning into another expensive jobs program, in 
which we are not getting any bang for our buck.
    Finally, I know that the Corporation can tell some 
impressive success stories, heartwarming stories that are 
obviously worthwhile and show laudable achievements. 
Nevertheless, there are open issues and concerns that need to 
be addressed, and unfortunately the Corporation does not have 
the tracking or accounting systems to demonstrate the successes 
and the failures of the Corporation.
    Without these systems in place to assure the controls and 
to assure that there will be successes and that there will be 
accountability for taxpayers' dollars, I would find it 
difficult to support the increase in the investment requested.
    I look forward to hearing the testimony of Mr. Wofford and 
I am optimistic that he can allay our concerns in many areas as 
we begin to address these questions.
    Now it is my pleasure to turn to my ranking member for her 
comments. Senator Mikulski.

                     STATEMENT OF BARBARA MIKULSKI

    Senator Mikulski. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Good 
morning to both you and also to two members of this 
subcommittee, dear colleagues from the House, Senator Ben 
Nighthorse Campbell and Senator Barbara Boxer. We welcome them 
and their participation.
    I want to extend my welcome to our former colleague Senator 
Wofford, the Chief Executive of the Corporation for National 
Service, and welcome the other witnesses who will be testifying 
today.
    I know this morning we are going to have three panels to 
deal with five agencies, and I will address the agencies 
related to the Department of Defense later during their 
questioning. But we do want to give a most cordial welcome to 
General Herrling of the Battle Monuments Commission, Steve Dola 
representing DOD and the cemetery issues, and Gil Coronado, the 
Director of Selective Service, and, of course, the Chief Judge 
of the Court of Veterans Appeals.
    I would like to begin my opening statement, very briefly, 
to talk about our first panel. I believe that the chairman has 
outlined some yellow flashing lights about national service, 
but I would hope that it would not be a red light to the 
program. Yellow flashing lights are a metaphor that I use where 
we say we have to pause, proceed with caution, and analyze the 
risk as we look over the intersection and where we find 
ourselves.
    I think that national service, like any new program that 
focuses primarily in a decentralized approach, State and local, 
will have a lot of bumps on the road in terms of management. 
What we want to talk about is get back to the mission of the 
program, which was to deal with two issues: one, to rekindle a 
sense of the civic virtues that we needed around duty, 
obligation, and sense of community. But the other was to deal 
with the fact that for many young people the American dream was 
no longer available and that there was not a real opportunity 
ladder to afford higher education.
    For those of us who helped create national service, we did 
not want another program; we really wanted to launch a social 
movement. We did not want another giveaway, but we wanted to 
say for every opportunity there was an obligation. We did not 
want to talk about an entitlement society; we wanted to talk 
and function on an empowerment society.
    The whole role of national service is that by performing 
community service you earn a voucher to reduce your student 
debt, a voucher to pay for higher education. So it was based on 
essentially opportunity and obligation linked.
    The work that the volunteers do is not glamorous. It does 
involve cleanup and it focuses on public safety, the 
environment, helping with education, and focusing on many 
areas. I know that not only are heartwarming stories told, but 
that there are other issues around it.
    What I want to be sure is that we have a national service 
program. The President has talked about stimulating 
voluntarism, and later on in April there will be a bipartisan 
and I hope a nonpartisan summit on voluntarism in Philadelphia. 
Who will be there? Not only President Clinton, but President 
George Bush, who founded the Points of Light concept that our 
subcommittee under both stewardships have funded. It will have 
Colin Powell, who certainly knows what duty, obligation, a call 
to service meant, and how we can translate that into civilian 
society.
    But I believe we need to have a mechanism to operationalize 
good intentions and where there is a Federal role, but not a 
federally restrictive set of mandates. So we look forward to 
that summit and how we can continue to stimulate voluntarism, 
not only through this program but through others.
    The GAO report does raise some issues and concerns, but 
what they talk about is, though the State commissions vary, 
they are meant to vary. What we wanted to have is that each 
Governor could decide how to run this program according to 
local need. It was to be Federal resources and a State and 
locally run program, tailored to local community needs and not 
a cookie cutter approach.
    So I think that we have gotten off to an uneven start, and 
we thank Senator Wofford for ironing out a lot of the wrinkles 
that we had: No. 1, acknowledging the validity of the concerns 
that the Congress had; No. 2, taking corrective action; No. 3, 
to try to put this program on track where it is not a program 
only for today, but a program for tomorrow, that the values 
learned by participating in the program carry on long after 
someone leaves the program.
    Last, but not at all least, when we talk about the 
attrition rate we are talking about two things. One, that you 
have to be fit for duty to stay in this program, and we wanted 
the restrictions to be tough, so that if anyone had reasons for 
cause to be dismissed for, say, drug abuse, then so be it.
    The other is that we are recruiting not only yuppie college 
kids to pay off their student debt--a very worthwhile endeavor, 
I might add--by creating a sense of obligation, but we were 
also recruiting among the poor. In many instances, deep 
compelling personal reasons meant that people had to leave the 
program. So, therefore, the attrition rate is in many ways to 
be expected.
    Well, I sound like I am giving the testimony that maybe 
Senator Wofford is going to give, but I do think we really need 
to, and through this appropriations cycle, to look at where 
national service has been and correct the problem and look at 
where national service could go, and really in a bipartisan, 
nonpartisan way focusing on some clear objectives and strong 
management controls.
    So with that, I will conclude my statement.
    Senator Bond. Thank you very much, Senator Mikulski.
    Senator Campbell.

                  STATEMENT OF BEN NIGHTHORSE CAMPBELL

    Senator Campbell. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    I am pleased to see our former Senate colleague, Senator 
Wofford, here, the Chief Executive Officer of the Corporation 
for National Service.
    In my home State of Colorado I visited the location at our 
former Lowry AFB on a couple of occasions and I believe it has 
a great deal of potential. I know that there has been some 
growing pains with it and I know it has come into some 
criticism, but generally this group in our State has helped 
low-income communities. It has tutored at-risk youth, for 
instance, and it has monitored students, helped with antigang 
initiatives, and a number of things. Similarly, I think it has 
helped homeless veterans on many occasions and I certainly 
support that.
    I guess that I have got some concerns that some of the 
other committee people have, too, that I guess could be best 
described as Senator Mikulski has. There are some yellow lights 
going off about how the budget is being handled. But I think 
generally it is a new program and generally doing very good.
    I just wanted to tell our former Senator that I am 
certainly supportive of it and hope we can iron out those 
problems and get on with it.
    Senator Bond. Thank you very much, Senator Campbell.
    Senator Boxer.

                       STATEMENT OF BARBARA BOXER

    Senator Boxer. Thank you so much, Mr. Chairman. It is 
certainly a pleasure for me to be here today. As a new member 
of this committee and this subcommittee, I am very honored.
    I wanted to mention, if I have to get up and leave in the 
middle of something, I have got a conflicting hearing on 
Superfund sites going on elsewhere in the building. So forgive 
me.
    But I really wanted to come by to extend a special welcome 
to Harris Wofford, our former colleague, who is now CEO of the 
Corporation of National Service. He is a hero of mine and his 
interest in this goes way back. I remember when I was a junior 
at college President Kennedy urged our Nation's young people to 
ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do 
for your country, and I remember that resonating with me, and 
here we are so many years later with those same words having 
tremendous meaning.
    Once again, this challenge has been made to our Nation's 
young people through this program, and once again I am happy as 
well to see young people responding. I hope that we will not 
take away this opportunity. I believe that we can get to the 
bottom of whatever the problems are and have some strong 
bipartisan support for it.
    The Corporation for National Service plays a key role in 
helping our country and our communities address unmet needs, 
while ushering in a renewed commitment to civic responsibility. 
In my State we have over 2,300 AmeriCorps members in 48 
different sites. Members tutor children K through 12, they 
mentor teens at risk of dropping out or becoming teen parents, 
they assist local community organizations in reducing juvenile 
crime. They support local residents in identifying and 
addressing the most critical needs.
    Like Senator Campbell, I have had the privilege of visiting 
some of these programs and seeing our young people at work. 
They have become heroes in many communities, and it is just a 
joy to see that. Then they get the opportunity to go to 
college.
    So I think it is a program that has a vision, and if we are 
careful and if we do it right I think it should meet everyone's 
expectations.
    As a former local elected official, I appreciate the fact 
that there is not a cookie cutter approach to this program, 
because every community has different needs, and that is what I 
like about this program.
    So I am pleased to be here today and I look forward to 
hearing about the future plans.
    Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, for this time.
    Senator Bond. Thank you very much, Senator Boxer.
    Senator Burns.

                       STATEMENT OF CONRAD BURNS

    Senator Burns. Move on.
    Senator Bond. Thank you very much, Senator Burns. That is 
one of your best statements yet. [Laughter.]
    Senator Burns. Coming from you, I will accept that as a 
compliment.
    Senator Bond. That is how it was meant, Senator.
    Senator Wofford, we are delighted to have you with us 
today. As you will understand, we will make your full statement 
a part of the record and would welcome your highlighting those 
items which you think ought to be called to special attention 
for this subcommittee.
    Please begin.

                      statement of harris wofford

    Mr. Wofford. Mr. Chairman, Senator Bond, Senator Mikulski, 
Senator Boxer, Senator Campbell, Senator Shelby, Senator Burns: 
I look forward to reading Senator Shelby's remarks and anything 
Senator Burns has to say now or in the future.
    I appreciate this opportunity to discuss the progress and 
the plans of the Corporation for the coming year. Our budget 
request is for $548 million for the programs authorized under 
the National and Community Service Trust Act, and these funds 
would support approximately 29,500 AmeriCorps members through 
the grant program and 1,600 members in the National Civilian 
Community Corps.
    The request includes $53 million to support the Learn and 
Service America, K through 12, and higher education programs, 
and $6 million for the Points of Light Foundation initiated by 
President Bush, which has become a special partner of ours both 
in the summit and in many other ways.
    By the way, Senator Mikulski, I am delighted to introduce 
Marilyn Smith of Maryland, who is just taking over as the 
director of the Learn and Serve America Program.
    Senator Mikulski. I was going to introduce her when I do my 
questions.
    Mr. Wofford. She was executive director of the State 
Commission in Maryland and a pioneer in service learning.
    Now, my testimony does not address the VISTA section of 
AmeriCorps or the Senior Corps programs funded under the 
Domestic Volunteers Service Act. Mr. Chairman, I appreciate 
very much your support over the years for VISTA and its 30-year 
track record as the first domestic Peace Corps, of helping 
people and communities help themselves.
    By the way, I hope the VISTA approach is, in fact, going to 
be a larger proportion of the overall AmeriCorps scheme.
    I want to make three points: First, that national service 
works. It is a proven way to leverage volunteers and help to 
solve community problems; especially the critical problems of 
children and youth.
    Second, that we are committed to achieving the highest 
levels of integrity and efficiency. We have already taken 
important steps to cut costs, increase efficiency, and develop 
a sound financial management system.
    Third, I want to outline briefly three initiatives--America 
Reads, National Service Scholars, and the Presidents' 
Philadelphia Summit, Presidents plural, as Senator Mikulski 
pointed out, to be chaired by Gen. Colin Powell. Those 
initiatives can help unleash a new wave of voluntary citizen 
action aimed at solving some of our country's most serious 
problems in a decentralized, nonbureaucratic way.
    There are very few programs that have received the same 
level of scrutiny as AmeriCorps. The conclusion of the 
evaluations and reports and the experience of communities 
across America, reflected in so many Governors' support for 
Corporation programs, is that national service works, helping 
to solve the toughest problems of education, crime, drugs, 
illiteracy, homelessness, environmental problems.
    As I detail in my written testimony, Aguirre International, 
an evaluation firm headed by President Ford's Education 
Commissioner, found significant accomplishments in every area 
in which AmeriCorps members serve. Nowhere is AmeriCorps having 
a more profound effect than in education. More than one-half of 
all AmeriCorps members work with children and youth. They 
teach, tutor, run after school programs, do drug prevention 
work, create safe havens and safe corridors, and organize 
secondary, middle school, and university students themselves to 
serve.
    Thousands of AmeriCorps members serve as mentors or are 
recruiting mentors to work one on one to help children do 
better in school. AmeriCorps members are also in the front 
lines in the fight against crime. They organize crime watch 
groups, work to reduce gang violence and help crime victims. 
Their efforts have won extraordinary praise from police chiefs 
and sheriffs around the country.
    A key to understanding AmeriCorps is the degree to which it 
leverages unpaid volunteers. Originally there was some concern, 
and there is still in some people's minds, that there is a 
contradiction between full-time service with living allowances 
and traditional unpaid volunteering, when exactly the opposite 
is the case.
    Very often, in most cases you cannot use large numbers of 
unpaid volunteers without a cadre of full-time people to make 
it possible. Right now today there are two teams of the NCCC, 
National Civilian Community Corps, who have gone right away on 
the call of FEMA, as they also do on the call of the Red Cross, 
to the disaster area in Arkansas. They help organize unpaid 
volunteers. They come quickly. They work night and day. They 
stay until the job is over.
    Because members serve full time every day, they help the 
nonprofits in which they serve to multiply the number and 
effectiveness of unpaid volunteers. Habitat for Humanity is a 
case in point. At the Habitat site in Miami, 2 dozen AmeriCorps 
members helped recruit, and worked alongside, thousands of 
community volunteers to build 50 new homes.
    Aguirre International found that each AmeriCorps member 
recruited, trained, and supervised an average of 12 unpaid 
volunteers. The hundred projects in our Learn and Serve America 
Higher Education Program have generated the service of an 
additional 27,000 volunteers. These numbers will continue to 
grow as we put extra emphasis on volunteer generation.
    National service is cost effective. Three separate 
independent evaluations have examined the costs and benefits 
and have concluded that it is a wise investment that returns 
from $1.54 to $3.90 for every dollar invested. That is one 
reason Massachusetts Gov. Bill Weld has said it is the wisest 
investment of taxpayers' money he could think of.
    On another front, AmeriCorps is living up to its GI bill 
promise of expanding educational opportunity for those who 
serve, especially those from America's hardworking middle 
class. Last year 55 percent of AmeriCorps members came from 
households with incomes of from $10,000 to $50,000. Another 21 
percent come from homes with less than $10,000 income. The 
National Service Trust has already made more than 26,000 
payments totaling $44 million to over 6,000 education and loan-
holding entities.
    The Corporation is a lean, decentralized, and responsive 
public-private partnership that is locally based. Grants go to 
local nonprofit groups--schools, colleges, universities, faith-
based groups--more than 430 such through AmeriCorps alone. 
These groups decide what service will be performed and they 
select and enroll the members.
    Two-thirds of these grants are made by Governor-appointed 
State commissions. The other one-third go to national 
nonprofits, such as Habitat, the Red Cross, and the Boys and 
Girls Clubs.
    National service is competitive. States compete for 
Corporation resources and local programs compete for AmeriCorps 
members. Programs that do not perform get eliminated. Since 
AmeriCorps started, 70 programs have not been renewed for 
additional funding.
    National service uses rigorous evaluation to improve 
quality. Right now 14 separate studies related to AmeriCorps 
are being conducted or planned, most by outside evaluators. In 
addition, we require every AmeriCorps program to design annual 
objectives based on measurable outcomes--reading scores raised, 
children immunized--and check their progress through the year. 
This is a cutting edge initiative in the nonprofit sector.
    All the programs of the Corporation are nonpartisan in 
spirit and in construction. By law, State commissions are 
comprised of a balance of Democrats and Republicans. 
Commissions are appointed by Governors, three-fifths of whom 
are Republican. Bipartisanship is built in.
    Perhaps no other issue has generated so much confusion and 
misinformation as the issue of costs. AmeriCorps members who 
serve their community full time for a year receive a living 
allowance that averages about $150 per week or $7,800 per year, 
going up under cost-of-living formulas to a little over $8,000 
in the coming year--not $18,000, not $27,000, not $50,000, as 
some critics have stated.
    After the corpsmember completes a year of full-time 
service, he or she earns an educational award of $4,725 to be 
used at some point over the next 7 years. There is an 
additional allotment for health care. The total base support 
for the AmeriCorps member amounts to about $13,000 in living 
allowance, health insurance, and education award.
    The total average cost from the Corporation's 
appropriations per AmeriCorps member has been a little over 
$18,000 and it is going down. The steps we have taken to cut 
costs include eliminating grants to Federal agencies, planning 
grants, and member relocation costs. We have raised the local 
match from 25 percent to 33 percent, requiring grantees with 
above-average costs to cut costs by 10 percent this last year 
and expanding the number of education awards only--a good idea 
that Senator Grassley has strongly pressed for.
    In this program, the Corporation provides education awards 
to nonprofits, religious organizations, colleges, and others 
who agree to provide the AmeriCorps member's living allowance. 
We have already approved 2,000 of these assignments, including 
a new partnership with the Boys and Girls Clubs of America to 
support 800 AmeriCorps members. The National Council of 
Churches will sponsor more than that number.
    Furthermore, last May I announced an ambitious plan for 
reducing AmeriCorps costs. We are reducing the average cost per 
member to $17,000 in program year 1997--that is including 
education award and everything--to $16,000 in 1998 and to 
$15,000 in 1999.
    This includes all of the items that I have listed above 
including recruitment, training, and all our program support.
    Senator Bond. Mr. Wofford, we turned off the light and let 
you go a little longer than the 5 minutes we had forecast. We 
do have four others to do. It has been about 15 minutes and I 
hate to do this, but we have a heavy schedule today. If you 
could wrap up.
    Mr. Wofford. I will try to wrap up fast. Thank you, Mr. 
Chairman.
    The handling of the Corporation's financial management 
problems demonstrates our commitment to change and reform. My 
top priority, shared actively by our Corporation's Board of 
Directors, is getting our financial house in order. Under the 
leadership of our new chief financial officer, Donna 
Cunninghame, we are making steady progress toward producing 
auditable books and correcting deficiencies. Our goal is to 
build a sound financial management system and make the 
preparation of auditable financial statements a routine 
operation.
    The $38 million, Mr. Chairman, that you mentioned a little 
earlier, in fact, is money that Ms. Cunninghame, tells me has 
been brought down to the neighborhood of $28 million. With some 
further adjustments it will come down more.
    Last, the three initiatives. The America Reads campaign 
launched by President Clinton, endorsed by so many Governors 
and mayors, is----
    Senator Mikulski. Senator Wofford, just to help you out 
here and move along with the chairman, and not to interrupt 
your testimony, but I have two questions related to America 
Reads and also to the Presidents', the multiple Presidents' 
summit, the Colin Powell, and perhaps we could come to those 
two issues in my question.
    Mr. Wofford. Very good.
    Senator Mikulski. And you could brief us on that and 
through that question.
    Mr. Wofford. I will await your question. That help is 
welcome, Senator Mikulski.
    I might say that the one other initiative other than the 
American Reads and the Presidents' summit is the National 
Service Scholars Program for which we are asking $10 million. 
In his commencement speech at Penn State, the President called 
for service to become part of the ethic of every school in 
America. To help make this happen in every high school, he 
announced the National Service Scholars Program, which will 
reward high school juniors and seniors who do outstanding 
service with a $1,000 college scholarship, $500 of which will 
come from the Corporation and $500 from local sponsors.
    The Corporation has contracted with a private foundation to 
administer this program, which will begin making its awards 
this spring.

                           PREPARED STATEMENT

    I will conclude by saying that national service fits the 
era in which big Government is over because the era of big 
citizens is beginning. The other side of reinventing Government 
is reinventing and reinvigorating citizenship. National service 
reduces our reliance on Government by mobilizing citizen 
action. It helps communities solve problems in their own 
ingenious ways. It strengthens the building blocks of civil 
society. It is a smart and wise investment and there are 
compelling reasons why it should be continued, not despite 
tight budget times but because of them.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    [The statement follows:]
                  Prepared Statement of Harris Wofford
    Mr. Chairman and members of the Subcommittee, I appreciate the 
opportunity to appear before you today to review the Corporation's 
progress over the last year and to report about our plans for the 
future.
    The total fiscal year 1998 budget request from this Subcommittee 
for programs authorized under the National and Community Service Trust 
Act is $546,500,000. In addition to this amount, we are seeking a 
separate appropriation of $2,500,000 from this Subcommittee for the 
Office of the Inspector General.
    These funds will provide for approximately 29,500 AmeriCorps 
members through grant programs and approximately 1,600 AmeriCorps 
members through the National Civilian Community Corps (NCCC) program. 
(Participants in the AmeriCorps*VISTA program, funded through the 
Subcommittee on Labor, HHS, Education, and Related Agencies, will bring 
the total to 35,000 AmeriCorps members.)
    The amounts requested represent an increase of $146,500,000, or 36 
percent over the fiscal year 1997 funds appropriated by this 
Subcommittee for national service. The increase is targeted to the 
America Reads initiative, the challenge to Americans to help all 
children read well and independently by the end of the third grade. 
National service's role will be specifically outlined in legislation to 
be presented to the Congress later this month.
    The budget request will cover the costs of making the current 
District of Columbia NCCC deployment site a permanent campus, expanding 
other campuses, and establishing a new campus in a region of the 
country not currently served by the NCCC. In addition, these funds 
provide an increase in support to service-learning initiatives in K-12 
schools, community organizations, and institutions of higher education 
through the Learn and Serve America program.
    For three years, national service has had proven, positive results 
in improving America's communities. National service programs have been 
``getting things done'' and expanding educational opportunities, 
improving the environment, enhancing public safety and meeting other 
human needs. Outside experts have found that representative programs 
have achieved positive cost-benefit ratios that merit and justify your 
continued support.

                          GETTING THINGS DONE

    In the three years since the program was created, 70,000 AmeriCorps 
members have served in over 1,800 non-profit operating sites.
    A 1996 independent evaluation of AmeriCorps programs by Aguirre 
International--headed by President Ford's Commissioner of Education--
examined the activities of one out of every ten AmeriCorps members then 
serving. Aguirre found that this small-but-representative sample of 
individuals:
  --Taught, tutored, or mentored almost 64,000 students.
  --Collected, organized, and distributed 974,000 pounds of food.
  --Helped 2,550 homeless people find shelter.
  --Developed and distributed 38,500 sets of information about drug 
        abuse, HIV/AIDS, street safety, health care, and other issues.
  --Ran violence-prevention after school programs for 50,000 youth.
  --Performed energy audits for more than 18 million square feet of 
        buildings.
  --Planted more than 210,000 trees.
    AmeriCorps members have similar achievements in every state over 
the last year.
    The 78 AmeriCorps sponsored by the Montana Conservation Corps 
repair the homes of elderly and low-income residents, restore and 
protect natural resources, improve the habitat of wildlife, and 
increase the public's access to natural sites. The AmeriCorps members 
also mentor at-risk youth while engaging them in service.
    The Fort Belknap Community Council's New Vision Youth Serve is a 
program supported by a Learn and Serve America K-12 grant, run by and 
for this Montana tribe. The Fort Belknap Tribal Education Department, 
College Safe Future Program, Housing Authority, Youth Council, and 
Tribal Health Department are developing a network of community service 
centers on the tribe's reservation to address public safety, human and 
environmental needs.
    The Blue Hills AmeriCorps program engages 18 AmeriCorps members in 
partnership with the Kansas City, Missouri Police Department to help 
close drug houses, reduce crime by reporting drug activity, establish 
safety corridors, and train youth and adults in conflict resolution. 
This year, Blue Hills AmeriCorps members recruited and trained 734 
volunteers to serve as school bus stop guards at 62 school bus stops. 
Over the last three years, more than 50 drug houses were closed down, 
some of which have been taken over by the city and are being 
rehabilitated as affordable single-family housing for low income 
families.
    In Birmingham, Mobile, and Montgomery, Alabama and 17 other cities 
in nine southern states--the Alliance for Catholic Education (ACE) 
provides teachers and other resources for under-resourced parochial 
school systems through a Learn and Serve America: Higher Education 
grant. ACE and the University of Notre Dame are matching every 
Corporation dollar with 13 dollars for the 1996-97 program year. ACE 
Learn and Serve members are graduates of several top college 
institutions of higher education, including Notre Dame, Duke, 
Georgetown, and Boston College.
    The 28 AmeriCorps members sponsored by the American Youth 
Foundation's St. Louis Partners for Service Education tutor and assist 
teachers in developing projects related to literacy, the environment, 
first aid, and substance abuse prevention. The AmeriCorps members have 
recruited more than 100 parents to assist in classrooms and other 
educational support activities.
    Twenty AmeriCorps members sponsored by the Notre Dame Mission 
Volunteer Program and the Sisters of Notre Dame are serving at eight 
schools, community centers, and soup kitchens across Baltimore, 
Maryland. Sharonne Henderson, a Notre Dame--AmeriCorps member who 
tutors children at City Springs Elementary School, recognized that one 
of her students had significant trouble seeing. The child was tested, 
diagnosed as having a cataract, and fitted with glasses. Ms. 
Henderson's presence, attention, and concern led to the early detection 
and treatment of this very serious condition. The Notre Dame Mission 
Volunteer program also sponsors 48 other AmeriCorps members who serve 
in Boston, Massachusetts, Cincinnati, Ohio, and Apopka, Florida.
    The 173 AmeriCorps members of the United Youth Corps of Maryland 
maintain and restore 15 state forests, parks, and wildlife management 
areas. Members rehabilitate abandoned houses and construct community 
parks in low-income Baltimore neighborhoods, tutor students with 
special needs, and serve as teachers' aids.
    In Alaska, AmeriCorps members serve in more than 30 communities to 
improve environmental education, recycling, sanitary waste management, 
early childhood education and tutoring. Members serve in rural areas 
such as Hooper Bay and Nulato.
    Students at the Cape May County (New Jersey) Technical High School 
in New Jersey are working with Habitat for Humanity in a program 
sponsored by Learn and Serve America K-12. The students build houses on 
the school property which are then transferred to lots throughout the 
area. The program was recently named a Best Practice/Star School in the 
category of Public Engagement by the New Jersey Department of 
Education--the only one of 1,000 programs under consideration to win 
that distinction.
    Twenty-four AmeriCorps members sponsored by Vermont's Northeast 
Kingdom Initiative Program are serving youth, unemployed or under-
employed adults, and the elderly in a three-county area--one of the 
poorest and most rural areas in the nation.
    Twenty-two Kern County School District AmeriCorps members in 
California's Central Valley are tutoring 600 students in the 1996-97 
school year. Over half of the students tutored are now reading at or 
above the standard for their grade levels.
    Twenty-two AmeriCorps members in the Idaho TRIO AmeriCorps program 
have leveraged the assistance of 369 volunteers to tutor 1,997 at-risk 
K-12 students. Seventy percent of the students tutored showed 
improvement of their school performance by at least one grade. The 
AmeriCorps members have also advised 863 students regarding career 
choices and assisted 338 Idaho teachers through in-class and other 
support. AmeriCorps members were able to encourage AmeriCorps host 
agencies to contribute more than 2,169 hours to support the service of 
members. One student said of the program, ``I can feel good about 
myself. I'm proud of myself. I feel even better about my dream to go to 
college.''
    Now in its third year of operation, twenty AmeriCorps members in 
the Iowa Coalition Against Domestic Violence Program, a statewide 
AmeriCorps program, have made 12,464 contacts with victims of domestic 
abuse (250 percent of their goal), assisted over 1,000 women in 
obtaining pro se protective orders (133 percent of their goal), and 
provided 371 educational programs for Iowans ranging from elementary 
school children to senior citizens (77 percent of their goal). This 
program has been very effective in engaging another 400 non-AmeriCorps 
volunteers to provide 160,000 hours of additional services to victims 
of domestic violence. AmeriCorps members serve in similarly effective 
programs across the country, including the New Hampshire Coalition 
Against Domestic and Sexual Violence's AmeriCorps Victim Assistance 
Program. This program, and others, in New Hampshire prompted former 
Governor Stephen Merrill to state that ``the national service program 
has been a great success in the state of New Hampshire and I anticipate 
it will continue to be in the future * * *. These motivated individuals 
make AmeriCorps work for New Hampshire and I am pleased to be a partner 
in this process.''
    In addition to environmental and disaster relief work across the 
region, AmeriCorps National Civilian Community Corps (NCCC) members 
based at Colorado's Lowry Air Force Base have achieved significant 
results in Denver schools. Over the last year, the 14 corpsmembers who 
served at Denver's Capitol Hill Children's Center helped kindergarten 
students improve their language-skills test scores by an average of two 
years. Thirteen other corpsmembers served as mentors to the first-
through fifth grade students at the Smith Renaissance Academy. 
Together, the students and corpsmembers produced a school newspaper, 
which allowed the students to develop reading, writing, and research 
skills while preparing stories about their community. An additional 14 
AmeriCorps*NCCC members served at the Columbine Elementary School, 
where they helped set up a new school building designed to house a 
program focusing on the first- and second-grade students' literacy 
skills. These NCCC members tutored students who needed special 
assistance and designed an after-school program for primary students 
and their parents.
    These examples quantify the immediate effects of national service. 
While we can measure the value of the bridge AmeriCorps members helped 
repair or estimate the cost to society had AmeriCorps members not 
tutored children in need, some benefits of the Corporation's programs 
are not immediately measurable. By instilling a sense of pride in a 
community, by establishing community volunteer programs, and helping 
prepare children for their first days of school, AmeriCorps members 
help to crack the atom of civic indifference creating a chain reaction 
whose effects transcend quantification and are felt in a myriad of 
ways.

                              DEMOGRAPHICS

    The strongest links in this chain are the AmeriCorps members. 
AmeriCorps members mirror the diversity of the communities in which 
they serve and look like a cross-section of 21st century American 
cities. Preliminary demographic information on current participants in 
AmeriCorps grants programs and the NCCC are similar to those of the 
first and second years of the program. Approximately one in two 
AmeriCorps members are white, slightly less than one in three is 
African American, and one in six is Hispanic. Initial data shows 
approximately four percent of these current AmeriCorps members are of 
Native American, Asian or Pacific Islander heritage.
    Data about the levels of education already achieved by AmeriCorps 
members suggests an important trend: in each of the three years of 
AmeriCorps, the percentage of participants who already earned their 
bachelor's degree, spent some time in graduate school, or earned a 
graduate degree has increased. In the 1994-95 program year, these three 
categories comprised 29 percent of AmeriCorps members. The sum grew to 
35 percent in 1995-96, and preliminary data for the 1996-97 program 
year indicates another increase, to 36 percent.
    AmeriCorps expands opportunity in exchange for responsibility for 
the broad middle class. In the 1995-96 program year, 56 percent of the 
AmeriCorps members came from households with annual incomes of less 
than $30,000. (The Corporation receives no information about the 
household family income of AmeriCorps members until the end of the 
program year.)
    The Subcommittee should note that for the current, 1996-97 program 
year, all of these figures may reflect a shift in the balance between 
urban and rural communities because the Corporation has eliminated 
AmeriCorps grants to other federal agencies. Some rural programs that 
utilized AmeriCorps members and worked with local offices of the United 
States Department of Agriculture or other agencies no longer exist. The 
Corporation is making a concerted effort to restore and increase rural 
representation in the AmeriCorps program.

                          EXPANDED OPPORTUNITY

    Over the last three years, AmeriCorps has enabled 70,000 Americans 
to serve their communities in exchange for expanded opportunity. 
Approximately 45,000 of these individuals were participants over the 
first two years of AmeriCorps, and are eligible to earn national 
service education awards. The remaining 25,000--who are currently in 
the midst of their year as AmeriCorps members--will earn education 
awards when they complete their terms of service. Those who have 
completed their terms of service have seven years within which to use 
their education awards.
    The National Service Trust has already made over 26,000 payments 
totaling approximately $44 million to over 6,000 education and loan-
holding entities. Currently, the Trust is averaging over $600,000 in 
payments weekly. This number will increase as more and more members 
avail themselves of their education award.

                             COST--BENEFIT

    Independent evaluators have repeatedly proven that national service 
yields a positive return on investment. The authors of each study have 
cautioned that their findings probably underestimate the benefits of 
national service significantly, because the full value of safer 
streets, stronger schools, cleaner rivers, and the like are difficult 
to quantify and not seen immediately.
  --In the ``Cost-and-Benefit Study of Two AmeriCorps Projects in the 
        State of Washington,'' the Northwest Regional Educational 
        Laboratory concluded that every dollar invested in these 
        Washington State projects yielded a return up to $2.40 in 
        addition to less-easily measured benefits.
  --To analyze their significant investments as AmeriCorps private 
        sponsors, the Charles A. Dana, IBM International, and James 
        Irvine Foundations commissioned a team of noted conservative 
        ``Chicago School'' economists to examine more than 70 
        AmeriCorps sites in Austin, Texas; Columbus, Ohio; Atlanta, 
        Georgia; Charlotte, North Carolina; New York City; and northern 
        California. In their report called ``The Benefits and Costs of 
        National Service,'' Kormendi/Gardner Partners predict that for 
        every dollar AmeriCorps invests, the public will realize up to 
        $2.60 or more in direct, measurable benefits.
  --The University of Minnesota, in the ``Youthworks-AmeriCorps 
        Evaluation First Year Report'' on projects across Minnesota, 
        found benefits up to $3.90 for each dollar invested in these 
        programs.
    A study of the Learn and Serve America: K-12 completed by Brandeis 
University and Abt Associates concluded that ``on average, the programs 
in the intensive study sites produced about $3 in direct community 
benefits for every dollar in program costs.''
    When Massachusetts Governor Bill Weld swore in his State's 
AmeriCorps members this fall, he explained how ``every taxpayers' 
dollar we spend on AmeriCorps comes back threefold, when we add up the 
value of your innovative ideas, your physical labor, and all of the 
skills you'll bring to the workforce when you finish your education.'' 
That's why he calls AmeriCorps ``one of the most intelligent uses of 
taxpayer dollars ever.''

                             AMERICA READS

    These demonstrated successes led President Clinton to give national 
service a major role in the America Reads Challenge. The America Reads 
Challenge is a national campaign to ensure that every child can read 
well and independently by the end of the third grade. The President has 
proposed that money from the Corporation's budget be used so members of 
AmeriCorps may play a key role in recruiting, training, and organizing 
the new army of 1,000,000 volunteers who will tutor young children.
    The increasing complexity of today's jobs and society amplifies the 
importance of literacy. Research shows that if students cannot read 
well by the end of third grade, their chances for later success are 
significantly diminished--including a greater likelihood of dropping 
out of school and other delinquent behavior.
    Poor literacy skills are one of our nation's most serious problems. 
Recent testing by National Assessment of Educational Progress found 
that 43 percent of America's fourth grade students in public schools 
scored below the basic reading level. Education outside the classroom 
is essential to improving reading skills. A U.S. Department of 
Education study, ``Reading Literacy in the United States'', found that 
fourth-grade average reading scores were 46 points below the national 
average where principals judged parental involvement to be low, but 28 
points above the national average where parental involvement was high--
a difference of 74 points. Reading is a skill that is developed not 
only in the classroom, but also outside of school in the home. To this 
end, America's Reading Corps will mobilize tutors to work with reading 
teachers, principals, libraries and community-based organizations to 
provide individualized after-school, weekend and summer reading 
tutoring for more than 3 million K-3 students and their parents.
    There are several parts to the America Reads Challenge, including: 
the Reading Corps, which will tutor children in grades K-3 who need 
extra help; the Parents as First Teachers program, which will assist 
parents in helping their children; expansion of Head Start programs; 
and a challenge to the private sector to work with schools as they have 
with the Department of Education's Partnership for Family Involvement 
in Education and the READ*WRITE*NOW! initiative. The Reading Corps is, 
the heart of the program that is proposed to be funded at almost $2.5 
billion over 5 years, will provide reading specialists and tutor 
coordinators to train and supervise the tutors.
    The President has asked for national service's participation 
because we are well equipped to handle this challenge. Many of our 
programs have strong track records helping children improve their 
reading skills and assist parents in becoming an essential part of 
their children's education.
    For example, the Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youngsters 
(HIPPY) has had a remarkable record of preparing children for success 
in school before their first day of kindergarten. AmeriCorps Members in 
16 States and 43 HIPPY Sites serve as resources for parents, especially 
single mothers on welfare. They make home visits every two weeks to 
help young mothers improve their basic parenting skills and provide 
their children with an enriched preschool experience. In doing so, 
AmeriCorps Members often instill in parents an interest in their 
children's education, and this interest spurs them to be more effective 
partners with their children's classroom teachers. Programs like HIPPY 
that ensure children have basic learning skills before entering the 
classroom make it more likely that the children will be able to read 
well by the end of third grade.
    In another program, Parents and Children Together in Learning 
(PACT), Learn and Serve America members through Harcum College, in Bryn 
Mawr, Pennsylvania bring parents back to school to teach them how to 
help their child read. Working with School District of Philadelphia, 
PACT trains inner-city parents to be volunteer tutors in their 
children's classrooms. PACT enrolls parents who participate in the 
program in Bryn Mawr classes for two weeks to teach them how to be a 
tutor. As a result, nearly 450 parents have improved their own skills 
while tutoring more than 4,000 children. The parents earn college 
credit for participating in the program.
    In Simpson County, Kentucky, 25 AmeriCorps members work directly 
with elementary school students to boost reading comprehension and 
nurture a love of books. The program is called SLICE (``Service 
Learning Impacting Children's Education'') and it gets results. By the 
end of the first year of the program more than 100 of the 122 tutored 
students in the county had improved their reading scores by at least 
two grade levels.
    The SLICE program exemplifies some less obvious benefits of 
AmeriCorps literacy programs. The program has been successful in 
improving the reading ability of students, and has helped develop 
community involvement in the process. Small business owners, local 
members of the American Association of Retired People (AARP), a retired 
teachers group, and even the entire staff of the local city hall have 
pitched in on the reading effort. Each SLICE AmeriCorps member recruits 
an average of 16 unpaid volunteers.
    By fostering community support, SLICE has achieved what we strive 
for in every national service program--a sustainability that is not 
dependent on any one individual or even a core group of original 
volunteers. This is how service can take root and grow to become a 
natural part of the life of a community.

                   NATIONAL SERVICE SCHOLARS PROGRAM

    The President announced the National Service Scholars Program in 
his June, 1996 commencement address at Pennsylvania State University. 
To qualify for the National Service Scholars Program, students must be 
juniors or seniors in high school who have performed community service 
for at least a year and who have been nominated by their principals. 
Recipients will receive a check for at least $1,000 for college costs, 
of which $500 will come from the National Service Trust and at least 
$500 will come from local scholarship sponsors.
    The Administration's 1998 suggested appropriations language sets 
aside $10 million for the National Service Scholars program. This is 
consistent with the mission of the National Service Trust, which was 
established as a repository for education awards for participants in 
national service programs.
    In accord with our commitment to reinventing government, a private 
501(c)(3) foundation, the Citizens' Scholarship Foundation of America, 
will administer the National Service Scholars Program. A competitive 
announcement was made in the Federal Register for this cooperative 
agreement, and the Citizens' Scholarship Foundation of America was 
chosen from a pool of seven highly qualified applicants. The Foundation 
has a 35-year history of encouraging and rewarding community service by 
youth through its Dollars for Scholars and other programs. Last year, 
the Citizens' Scholarship Foundation of America distributed close to 
$40 million in scholarships. The Corporation for National Service is 
pleased to rely on the talents of the Citizens' Scholarship Foundation 
of America to administer the National Service Scholars program.

              THE PRESIDENTS' SUMMIT FOR AMERICA'S FUTURE

    The Presidents' Summit for America's Future will, with the 
sponsorship of private foundations, bring together people from all over 
the nation who are committed to stimulating service and community 
volunteerism to ensure our youth have access to the resources that will 
help them lead healthy, fulfilling, and productive lives. It is a 
bipartisan endeavor convened by President Clinton and former President 
Bush as honorary Co-Chairmen, retired General Colin Powell as Chairman, 
and former Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Henry Cisneros as 
Vice Chairman.
    Summit sponsors include the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, the 
Ewing Marion Kauffman Foundation, the W.K. Kellogg Foundation, the 
David and Lucille Packard Foundation, and the Pew Charitable Trusts.
    Community delegations from more than 100 cities and rural 
communities, state delegations led by the nation's governors, and 
leading citizens from the public and private sectors will come to this 
summit with concrete commitments to increase young people's access to 
one or more of five critical resources: An ongoing relationship with a 
caring adult: mentor, tutor, or coach; safe places and structured 
activities during non-school hours to learn and grow; a healthy start; 
a marketable skill through effective education; and an opportunity to 
give back through community service.
    Commitments that have already been made include:
  --Big Brothers/Big Sisters has committed to doubling their mentoring 
        relationships, reaching 200,000 matches through the year 2000. 
        More important, service will become an integral part of the 
        mentoring relationship and a key activity for current and 
        future ``Bigs and Littles.''
  --LensCrafters will provide one million needy people, especially 
        children, with free vision care by the year 2003.
  --AT&T has committed $150 million to connect the country's 110,000 
        public and private elementary and secondary schools on the 
        Information Superhighway by the year 2000.
  --The United States Army is taking the lead in encouraging a joint 
        effort among the military services to expand opportunities for 
        active-duty, reserve, and retired military personnel to 
        volunteer their time as mentors and tutors in their local 
        communities.
  --The National Association For Equal Opportunity in Higher Education 
        (NAFEO) has promised that half of the approximately 140,000 
        students enrolled in 117 Historically and Predominantly Black 
        Colleges and Universities will volunteer as tutors and mentors.
  --The presidents of 21 colleges and universities, including San 
        Francisco State University, the Vermont State Colleges System, 
        the University of Montana, the University of Maryland College 
        Park, the Community College of Denver, and the California State 
        University System have committed half or more of their 
        increases in work-study funds to community service initiatives 
        focusing on youth literacy.
    The Corporation for National Service is working alongside the 
Points of Light Foundation in initiating and planning the Summit to 
promote the goals of the National and Community Service Trust Act, the 
mission of the Corporation, and the vision set forth in the 
Corporation's Strategic Plan.
    The Presidents' Summit for America's Future has already created a 
surge of interest from the media, community service organizations, and 
corporate sponsors nationwide. We are looking forward to working 
alongside those who will participate in the efforts coordinated at this 
Summit to increase youth's access to fundamental resources and real 
opportunity.

                          MANAGEMENT CONCERNS

    As Chief Executive Officer, my top priority--shared by the 
Corporation's Board of Directors--is putting our financial house in 
order. We are making steady progress in doing so. Our new Chief 
Financial Officer, Donna Cunninghame, and her staff are in the process 
of improving business processes and implementing appropriate management 
controls.
    Ms. Cunninghame is a Certified Public Accountant. She and her staff 
have experience in both public and private sector accounting. Ms. 
Cunninghame served as the first full-time Chief Financial Officer of 
the Resolution Trust Corporation, and achieved three clean financial 
audits from the United States General Accounting Office (GAO) during 
that time. As Chief Financial Officer of the University of Maryland 
System, Ms. Cunninghame was directly responsible for all of its 
treasury, accounting, and financial operations. Ms. Cunninghame's staff 
also has expertise developing and implementing the type of corrective 
action necessary to resolve the Corporation's problems.
    The Corporation's Inspector General, based on the work done by two 
independent auditing firms, found our fiscal year 1994 financial 
statements to be inauditable. The difficulty stemmed from the unusual 
creation of the Corporation, which merged existing service programs 
with the new service initiatives. The Corporation inherited 
organizations that had never before been required to present their 
financial data in the manner now required under the Government 
Corporation Control Act. The difficulties we had are common to most 
federal entities required to produce auditable financial statements in 
a corporate style. Though initial inauditability may be common, it is 
unacceptable. We are aggressively working to produce auditable books.
    Arthur Andersen, hired by the Corporation's Inspector General, 
produced an audibility report which identified 99 problems. Arthur 
Andersen reviewed our efforts to implement their recommendations--they 
looked at our progress on 62 issues and found 28 to be completed.
    By the time the written report of the review was issued in December 
of 1996, Ms. Cunninghame, based on her experience producing clean audit 
reports, determined that 57 items were then corrected or in the process 
of implementation. The remaining 5 of the 62 reviewed items were 
related to activities that require substantial time and effort to 
complete. We are working on correcting those problems.
    By March 1, 1997 we expect to have corrected or be in the process 
of implementing an additional 31 of the 99 items. Ms. Cunninghame has 
expressed to me her expectation that by May 1 of this year, all but two 
of the 99 problems will be corrected or in the process of 
implementation. One of those two corrections is the implementation of 
the new financial management system which we are preparing to do in 
1998. The second is a minor item that is difficult to correct now but 
will be easy to correct when the new system is in place: a process by 
which the budget obligation to pay for a purchase is entered into the 
system before a purchase order is entered. When implemented, this will 
be an automatic part of the process.
    I can report that the Corporation is making steady progress in 
establishing financial order. We are eschewing ``quick fixes'' in favor 
of systematically cleaning up data integrity problems while 
implementing appropriate managerial controls. By the time we install 
our new financial management system in 1998, the goal is that the 
underlying data will be scrubbed and reliable, business practices will 
be improved and effectively controlled, and fully auditable statements 
reflecting the Corporation's financial status should become routine.

                    CUTTING COSTS AND OTHER CHANGES

    When I spoke with you last year, I outlined an early version of the 
Corporation's agreement with Senator Grassley to reduce costs and 
address other issues of concern to our critics. Working together, we 
improved AmeriCorps by reducing expenditures and expanding the number 
of individuals who will benefit from the opportunity to serve. The 
Corporation has committed itself to lowering its cost-per-member in the 
AmeriCorps grants programs by $1,000 in each of the next three years, 
starting with the programs set to begin this fall. The AmeriCorps 
budgeted average cost for programs supported with fiscal year 1998 
funds will be $16,000, including the education award. By the fall of 
1999, the cost will be down to $15,000 per member.
    This figure includes all Corporation costs, including the 
Corporation's share of members' living allowance and benefits, the 
grant for program support, and the administration directly attributable 
to AmeriCorps grants by the Corporation and our support of the 
Governors' Commissions on National Service. (These numbers are indexed 
for inflation and assume that there will be funds appropriated to 
support no fewer than 25,000 AmeriCorps members each year.)
    Over the last year, the Corporation has made many other changes to 
improve our efficiency. We have made improvements in our grant review 
process and increased the control the Governors' Commissions on 
National Service have over program decisions.
    The Corporation has also increased our collaborations with national 
non-profit organizations, particularly by expanding the AmeriCorps 
``education-award-only'' program.
    In this program, the Corporation provides education awards to 
individuals who are serving in traditional non-profits and whose 
service qualifies them for education awards. These non-profits include 
religious organizations, colleges and universities, and other 
institutions which have applied to the Corporation and shown they are 
able to provide living allowances and other resources for these 
AmeriCorps members.
    For example, the Boys and Girls Clubs of America are now supporting 
800 AmeriCorps members in this way, using them to engage the youth in 
Boys and Girls Clubs in community service. Currently, 2,000 AmeriCorps 
members are sponsored through this program, and the Corporation plans 
to announce agreements with non-profits which will sponsor up to 3,000 
more AmeriCorps members in coming weeks.

                      THE CAP ON NATIONAL DIRECTS

    Currently, 43 national non-profits sponsor 2,500 AmeriCorps members 
through National Direct grants. Millard Fuller, founder and President 
of Habitat for Humanity International, explained that ``as AmeriCorps 
members gain in construction skill, our Affiliates are able to expand 
the number of occasional volunteers through increased capacity to 
supervise and manage volunteers.'' Fuller later announced at a 
Washington, DC press conference that ``I want you to know that we at 
Habitat for Humanity feel privileged and honored to have the AmeriCorps 
people with us, and we want more of them, as time goes on. We love to 
be partners with you in this work, and I salute all the AmeriCorps 
people.''
    Under the Corporation's authorizing statute, one third of the 
AmeriCorps grants funds are directed to National Direct programs. In 
fiscal year 1997, this corresponds to $71.7 million; for the proposed 
fiscal year 1998 budget, this corresponds to $98.7 million. If the 
fiscal year 1997 $40 million cap on national directs is not removed, 
the shortfall of funds will prevent as many as 13 of these non-profits 
from sponsoring AmeriCorps members this fall. All current national 
direct programs--including Habitat for Humanity, the U.S. Catholic 
Conference, the National Council on Aging, the I Have a Dream 
Foundation, the Enterprise Foundation, and City Year--will have to 
compete against each other for the remaining funds. No new AmeriCorps 
national direct grants to national non-profits--such as Big Brothers/
Big Sisters--will be possible.
    We are requesting that the fiscal year 1997 cap be eliminated and 
that no cap be put in place for fiscal year 1998.

                            REAUTHORIZATION

    The Corporation for National Service's authorization expired on 
September 30, 1996. We are now operating under the authority of the 
General Education Provisions Act (GEPA) that will expire at the end of 
September, 1997. I have met with Chairman Goodling and representatives 
of the House Committee on Education and the Workforce to begin the 
formal reauthorization process, and am scheduled to meet with Chairman 
Jeffords and members of the Senate Committee on Labor and Human 
Resources in coming weeks.
    Though it is too early to outline specific details about 
reauthorization, I expect that any plan to improve national service 
through this process will build on the key principles of the current 
national service network: flexibility, including the ability to 
redirect resources to meet new needs using proven techniques; stream-
lining, including the importance of constantly improving efficiency; 
coordination, including maximizing cooperation among programs in a 
community; and devolution, including significant state-and local-
control.
    I look forward to working with the Congress through both 
appropriations and reauthorization to make national service a program 
in which all Americans can take pride.
    I will be happy to answer your questions.


           AMERICORPS MEMBERS BY RACE/ETHNICITY, 1994-1997 \1\          
                          [Percent of members]                          
------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                   Fiscal years         
             Race/Ethnicity             --------------------------------
                                          1994-95    1995-96    1996-97 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
African-American.......................         32         27         29
American Indian........................          2          2          1
Asian/Pacific islander.................          3          3          3
Hispanic...............................         15         18         16
White..................................         49         48         42
Other..................................  .........          2          9
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\1\ 1996-97 enrollment is still underway, therefore, those data are     
  incomplete.                                                           


       EDUCATIONAL ATTAINMENT BY AMERICORPS MEMBERS 1994-1997 \1\       
                          [Percent of members]                          
------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                   Fiscal years         
            Education level             --------------------------------
                                          1994-95    1995-96    1996-97 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Less than high school..................          9          5          8
High school diploma....................         21         22         20
AA degree/some college.................         41         39         36
Bachelor's degree/some grad school.....         26         30         28
Graduate degree........................          3          5          8
------------------------------------------------------------------------
\1\ 1996-97 enrollment is still underway, therefore, those data are     
  incomplete.                                                           


        HOUSEHOLD FAMILY INCOME OF AMERICORPS MEMBERS, 1994-1996        
                          [Percent of members]                          
------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                        Fiscal years    
                   Income range                    ---------------------
                                                     1994-95    1995-96 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
$5,000 or less....................................          8          6
$5,001 to $10,000.................................         12         15
$10,001 to $20,000................................         16         19
$20,001 to $30,000................................         18         16
$30,001 to $40,000................................         12         13
$40,001 to $50,000................................         11          7
$50,001 to $60,000................................          7          6
$60,001 to $70,000................................          5          5
Over $70,000......................................         11         12
------------------------------------------------------------------------


               AMERICORPS MEMBERS BY GENDER, 1994-1997 \1\              
                          [Percent of members]                          
------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                   Fiscal years         
                 Gender                 --------------------------------
                                          1994-95    1995-96    1996-97 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Female.................................         61         65         68
Male...................................         39         35         32
------------------------------------------------------------------------
\1\ 1996-97 enrollment is still underway, therefore, those data are     
  incomplete.                                                           


                AMERICORPS MEMBERS BY AGE, 1994-1997 \1\                
                          [Percent of members]                          
------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                   Fiscal years         
                  Age                   --------------------------------
                                          1994-95    1995-96    1996-97 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Under 21...............................         38         27         26
22-29..................................         42         47         53
30-37..................................          9         10         10
38-45..................................          7          9          6
Over 45................................          4          6          5
------------------------------------------------------------------------
\1\ 1996-97 enrollment is still underway, therefore, those data are     
  incomplete.                                                           


           FULL- AND PART-TIME TERMS OF SERVICE, 1994-1997 \1\          
                          [Percent of members]                          
------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                   Fiscal years         
                                        --------------------------------
                                          1994-95    1995-96    1996-97 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Full time..............................         70         78         78
Part time..............................         30         23         23
------------------------------------------------------------------------
\1\ 1996-97 enrollment is still underway, therefore, those data are     
  incomplete.                                                           

                        Chief Financial Officer

    Senator Bond. Mr. Wofford, in last year's budget hearings, 
you stated you expected to shortly bring on a Chief Financial 
Officer and, in fact, you only recently filled the position. 
More recently, Arthur Andersen issued a report on December 9, 
1996, which raised serious concerns regarding your 
Corporation's progress in correcting deficiencies in financial 
systems and management controls. The report concluded, better 
than 8 months after our hearing last year, that the 
Corporation's internal controls were not adequate--I quote from 
the report:

    The Corporation's internal controls were not adequate for 
an independent auditor to perform an effective and efficient 
financial statement audit in accordance with generally accepted 
auditing standards for fiscal year 1995,

    and that

    an audit of the Corporation's fiscal year 1996 financial 
statements may not be possible because many significant 
deficiencies remain uncorrected throughout the year.

    At what point do you expect the Corporation to have 
established adequate internal controls for the independent 
auditor to perform an effective and efficient financial 
statement audit of the Corporation's financial statement, and 
when do you anticipate having auditable financial statements 
for 1995 and 1996?
    Mr. Wofford. Ms. Cunninghame came aboard as a consultant in 
October.
    Ms. Cunninghame. I came on board as a consultant August 5.
    Mr. Wofford. And in October you received a----
    Ms. Cunninghame. Recess appointment.
    Mr. Wofford [continuing]. Recess appointment, because her 
nomination did not get through in time, though the Senate 
worked hard to try to get her nomination through. She received 
a recess appointment in October and has been aggressively 
pursuing all 99 items in the Arthur Andersen auditability study 
since then.
    Her nomination is before the Senate Labor Committee this 
very week and we hope very much she will be confirmed very 
promptly.
    By May 1 we expect to have 97 of the 99 items completed or 
in the process of implementation. We expect to have the 
remaining two items completed in 1998. One relates to the 
implementation of a new financial management system and the 
other is an improvement in the procurement process which can 
occur simultaneously with the financial management system 
implementation.
    The inspector general and the Chief Financial Officer have 
discussed having an audit performed for the 1997 financial 
statements. Statements are going to be prepared for 1996 in 
order to provide beginning balances for 1997 and the auditors 
will be asked to perform a review of these balances in 
connection with their audit.
    I am very pleased that the inspector general of our agency 
and the Chief Financial Officer have established a professional 
working relationship which allows them to work together to 
strengthen the Corporation's management controls. I would be 
happy to give you a further detailed report.

                          FINANCIAL STATEMENTS

    Senator Bond. My question was when do you anticipate having 
auditable financial statements for fiscal year 1995 and 1996. 
Given the answer, I gather that you are not expecting one. Do 
you have a date when you are expecting to be able to give us 
financial statements for those 2 years?
    Mr. Wofford. We are hoping to have beginning balances for 
1997 that will permit an auditable statement for the 1997 year.
    Senator Bond. So you are not going to have one for 1995 and 
1996?
    Mr. Wofford. We are going to at some point have to have an 
agreement on the beginning balance that will permit an 
auditable statement.
    Senator Bond. Thank you.
    Mr. Wofford. We think it will be for 1997.
    The problems related to this in our Corporation were like 
those of many other Government agencies. They are compounded by 
the fact that one of the agencies, the ACTION agency, goes back 
over many years. Until very recently, as you know, Government 
agencies were not asked to produce auditable financial 
statements under the generally accepted accounting principles.
    Senator Bond. Mr. Wofford, all I asked was about the 1995 
and 1996 statements.
    I will submit the rest of my questions for the record.
    Senator Mikulski.
    Senator Mikulski. Thank you very much here.
    Mr. Wofford, could your Chief Financial Officer join you at 
the table for a moment, please?
    Mr. Wofford. Yes; indeed. Donna Cunninghame.
    Senator Mikulski. Ms. Cunninghame, good morning and we 
welcome you. We know very much that the Corporation needs a 
Chief Financial Officer. What I am going to request is not a 
detailed description of the problems that we find ourselves in, 
but I think we owe it to the committee and to the taxpayers, 
essentially a description of why we have this situation, No. 1; 
and No. 2, what is your kind of workout or work plan to resolve 
this situation, really, and presenting it to us the way an 
accountant would present it.
    We know you come from the Resolution Trust. Senator Bond 
has had extensive experience in that and we all recall with 
great melancholy what a fiasco it was and how much that cost 
the taxpayer because the financial institutions, who were 
supposed to be financial institutions, were not standing 
sentry. So it is a little intense to place the same kind of 
criterion on this nonprofit.
    Could you then essentially give us a description, not an 
excuse, an explanation, a no-fault one, about why this 
situation existed? But then, having said that, what is your 
work-through or workout plan? Is that possible for you to do?
    Ms. Cunninghame. Yes; Senator, it is. And I appreciate 
having an opportunity to share it with the committee. The 
Corporation, of course, was started October 1----
    Senator Mikulski. Remember, I have 5 minutes, so I really 
need to move on.
    Ms. Cunninghame. The basic problem is taking together a 
group of existing companies who had different accounting 
records. Whatever financial management systems they had varied.
    Senator Mikulski. Ms. Cunninghame, I am not asking you to 
describe your plan today. I am asking you to submit your plan 
in writing to the committee. I think there was a slight 
miscommunication.
    Ms. Cunninghame. I am sorry. I misunderstood that. I would 
be happy to.
    [The information follows:]
          Work Plan To Address Auditable Financial Statements
    Many concurrent efforts comprise the Corporation for National 
Service's plan for producing auditable financial statements. A brief 
review of these efforts follows.
    1. The auditability survey resulted in 99 recommendations dealing 
with five broad categories of concerns: the management control 
environment, integrity of financial data, data security, segregation of 
duties, and budgetary controls. An aggressive and sustained effort has 
been underway at the Corporation to respond to recommendations and to 
implement necessary changes that improve the Corporation's 
auditability. Arthur Anderson is conducting reviews of the Corporations 
efforts. A major phase of that review effort is just being initiated, 
and we expect to have positive responses from the auditors.
    2. A Management Control Committee has been established at the 
Corporation and the first draft of a Management Control Manual has been 
prepared and distributed to the Board of Directors for review. Training 
has begun for staff including all staff of the CFO's department, and 
exposure to the issue of management control is now part of the new 
employee orientation program.
    3. Cash reconciliation, updated above, proceeds as an important 
process for achieving the goal of auditable statements.
    4. A recommendation codifying the Corporation's approach to grants 
accounting, including issues of advances, expense recording, grant 
closeout, and grant liability calculations is being prepared for CFO 
review. This work includes a review paper by Price Waterhouse which 
offered advice on many of the issues.
    5. Information system changes have played a major part in our plan 
for auditable statements. With the current efforts to implement a grant 
review and award system within the Corporation, we are implementing a 
movement away from two separate systems for grant activity. Part of 
this effort will be the movement of all Corporation grants to the HHS 
Payment Management System (PMS) with which we are also implementing an 
electronic interface to our general ledger (GL). This all should 
greatly improve the consistency and accuracy of information in the GL 
and reduce the reconciliation burdens. At the same time, we have 
implemented an electronic interface to the GL for all payment 
transactions from the National Trust. We also are improving the process 
and the supporting documentation for the calculation of liability in 
the National Trust and the subsequent recording of that liability on 
the GL.
    6. We postponed the effort to implement a new financial management 
system, originally intended for implementation with the start of fiscal 
year 1998, by one year in order to ensure that we have an opportunity 
to improve the underlying business processes which provide a foundation 
for what is recorded in the system and because we did not feel the 
schedule could be met with the competing demands on the organization's 
resources, many of which relate to other issues of auditability and 
related system development efforts. In Conference Report H. Report 104-
537 which accompanied H.R. 3019 making appropriations for fiscal year 
1996, Congress approved report language suggested by the Senate 
committee which ``urges the Corporation to submit a reprogramming 
proposal for up to $3,000,000 to carry out financial management system 
reforms if the Chief Financial Officer determines such additional 
resources are needed.'' We have formally requested the reprogramming of 
these funds, and we are planning the implementation of a new financial 
system during 1998.
    7. We have put a significant effort into improvements of the 
process for cost share arrangements that underlie a number of our VISTA 
programs. Weaknesses in this area had resulted in understated 
receivables in the past. We believe that this will result in 
improvement to this important area of the financial statements.

    Senator Mikulski. When do you think it would be a 
reasonable expectation for you to be able to present this 
background brief and work-through plan to the committee?
    Ms. Cunninghame. I could do that within 1 week easily, 
depending on the necessary requirements.
    Senator Mikulski. Well, I think it would be very useful if 
we had that as quickly as you could produce it with efficiency 
and accuracy for both the chairman and myself, so we can see 
this, because part of what is being discussed is not only to 
continue the existing program and expand it, but some pretty 
new programs. I think the committee will feel that before it 
can undertake anything new there has to be confidence on these 
workout issues. We thank you for that.
    Also, for the record we would need a description also about 
why the attrition rate. Again, we are not looking for excuses, 
but we are looking for crisp, clear explanations so that we 
could have this, because as appropriators we really need to 
know is our money being well spent and are we getting the 
outcome for which the program was created.
    I think if we had those two reports we could among 
ourselves discuss next steps. So we thank you and we look 
forward to that.
    [The information follows:]

                        Attrition in AmeriCorps

Program Years One, Two, and Three

    The rate at which Members complete their term of service, or 
conversely, the rate at which they fail to do so, can be a valuable 
indicator of program health. The Corporation for National Service is 
well aware of the value of attrition rates and systematically analyzes 
program attrition and its causes. Low attrition can be indicative of 
high Member satisfaction, which in turn, suggests careful recruitment, 
good training, meaningful service projects and adequate supervision, 
among other strengths. While a high attrition rate does not point to a 
specific problem, it may be a symptom of underlying factors that 
deserve consideration.
    That said, in some cases, Members leave their service program early 
for reasons that are not indicative of programmatic problems. In the 
data provided here we provide attrition rates adjusted rates to exclude 
early exits that are not reflective of program quality.
    AmeriCorps programs, at the discretion of the program director, are 
permitted to make the determination that a Member is departing early 
because he or she faces compelling personal circumstances that make 
completing the program an unreasonable hardship.
    In addition, some Members leave their program early to take 
advantage of significant opportunities for personal development or 
growth, for example, educational or professional advancement. Although 
AmeriCorps is not a jobs program, persons who leave their service 
program to enter school, obtain employment or join the military 
constitute a positive outcome for the nation as well as for themselves. 
Because individuals in the circumstances described above do not reflect 
upon the effectiveness of their programs, we believe it appropriate to 
exclude them in determining a meaningful attrition rate.
Overall Attrition in AmeriCorps*State/National
    Attrition in Year One (1994-1995).--Attrition in Year One was 20 
percent. This rate compares favorably with attrition rates for college 
freshmen, the Peace Corps, youth Corps and HUD Youth Apprenticeship 
programs.
    Attrition in Year Two (1995-1996).--Year Two attrition is currently 
about 18 percent, adjusted as described above. Enough Members remain 
``on the books'' for 1995-1996 that we cannot yet provide a final 
accounting. As the attached chart suggests, the overall pattern of 
attrition has remained constant.
    Attrition in Year Three (1996-1997).--Year Three attrition is 
difficult to estimate because most programs are still in their fourth 
quarter and some are in their third. At present, nearly 90 percent of 
those who enrolled in Year Three are still serving.
Additional Attrition Issues
    The socio-demographic patterns reported last year in our attrition 
data remain visible, as demonstrated by the two-year attrition rates by 
educational attainment. Beginning in Year Two, we began collecting 
Member income data by sample only and cannot make direct comparisons to 
the attrition x income data provided last year. However, data from our 
sample survey, which included Members who had left early, suggests 
strongly that their remains a strong relationship between family income 
and attrition, with Members from lower income backgrounds being more 
likely to leave early.

   ATTRITION RATE BY EDUCATIONAL ATTAINMENT--PROGRAM YEARS ONE AND TWO  
                          [Percent of members]                          
------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                        Fiscal years    
                Education attained                 ---------------------
                                                     1994-95    1995-96 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Less than high school.............................         34         36
GED...............................................         31         32
Technical school..................................         21         19
HS graduate.......................................         18         20
Some college......................................         18         19
Associate degree..................................         16         15
College graduate..................................          9          8
Graduate study....................................         12         10
Graduate degree...................................         17         12
------------------------------------------------------------------------


    Senator Mikulski. Which then takes me, Senator Wofford, to 
the America Reads Program and the national summit. Could you 
tell me what is the purpose of the national summit and what you 
think, what will be the outcomes and what is the purpose and 
what role this committee or national service will play in it?
    Mr. Wofford. The President's summit was proposed originally 
by George Romney as a way to take the idea of national 
service--both large scale volunteering and national service of 
the AmeriCorps variety--out of the political football field and 
move it into a true nonpartisan structure.
    The summit is assembling delegations from some 130 
communities, cities and rural areas as well as delegations from 
all 50 States chosen by their Governors.
    Senator Mikulski. What will it do?
    Mr. Wofford. The summit is starting a 3-year campaign to 
achieve five goals for children and youth in this country that 
every parent and every grandparent wants for their children: 
one, that there be a caring adult in the life of every child 
that needs one, a tutor, a mentor, a coach, including the 1 
million tutors needed for the America Reads campaign; two, 
structured activities in safe places for every child and young 
person in this country in the nonschool hours; third, a healthy 
start--immunization and access to health care and incentives 
for healthy behaviors; four, effective education, including the 
ability to read and marketable skills acquired through school 
to work experience; and fifth, that every young person gets 
asked and has the opportunities themselves to serve.
    The process of the summit is commitments by major 
organizations of all the sectors of society and by individuals 
and communities for new action--quantum leaps and value added--
toward those five goals.
    Senator Mikulski. That is what they are going to do?
    Mr. Wofford. Yes.
    Senator Mikulski. And then after the summit is over, who 
will be in charge or overseeing that all of this happens in 
some organized way, so we do not have just volunteer chaos?
    Mr. Wofford. We expect the Presidents to continue to work 
together. General Powell will be a very active chairman.
    Senator Mikulski. What will be the mechanism to 
operationalize----
    Mr. Wofford. The mechanism will be an organization that 
General Powell will lead, with the continuing support, we 
trust, of the Presidents. It is an organization that will both 
seek to develop large scale resources to apply to local 
organizations around the country.
    Senator Mikulski. Senator Wofford, will that be an 
organization not created by Government?
    Mr. Wofford. It will not be created by Government. I am 
personally not taking any part in the organization of that 
organization.
    It will be a new national organization created to be 
essentially an umbrella organization to coordinate those 
volunteer organizations, and the private sector entities that 
are making a substantial commitment.
    It will be a campaign based in the private sector, led by 
General Powell not trying to compete in offering service but 
trying to assemble resources from commitments from corporations 
and organizations for local groups. The community delegations 
at Philadelphia are coming with a commitment to go back to 
their communities to organize local summits to coordinate those 
campaigns locally.
    Senator Mikulski. Let me just go back to what I was trying 
to ask, Mr. Wofford, which is, I have been through good 
intention rallies before and we have some of the finest 
participants leading this, and so we just do not want it to be 
a rally where, I am going to make sure that I deliver 2,000 
meals on wheels to the elderly homebound. All of these are good 
intentions, and then if we are going to have that, like the 
commitment of a Motorola, an IBM, local corporations, scouts, 
Boy Scouts, then all I was asking was how that will be followed 
up so it is just not a photo op, it is just not a pep rally, 
and so on, and that we have a sustained saturation effecting 
communities.
    So what you are saying is that there will be an 
organization created that a very distinguished American, 
General Powell, will chair, and this will be an entirely new 
entity not created by Government or funded by Government, is 
that right?
    Mr. Wofford. He is saying that, and he is going to do that. 
It requires that same spirit----
    Senator Mikulski. But are you not the President's person on 
that?
    Mr. Wofford [continuing]. Senator Mikulski, that----
    Senator Mikulski. Are you not the President's point person 
in organizing the summit?
    Mr. Wofford. The two organizations that jointly carried the 
ball with George Romney's idea are ours, the Corporation and 
myself actively, and the Points of Light Foundation.
    Senator Mikulski. Excellent.
    Mr. Wofford. And the two of us have worked together. Ray 
Chambers, founder of the One to One Partnership, is chairman of 
our joint board steering committee for this. But General Powell 
will be carrying the ball from the summit on.
    Senator Mikulski. General Powell is saying that. Are we all 
saying that before we go to the summit?
    Mr. Wofford. General Powell said it very strongly when he 
accepted the chairmanship at the White House. In fact, he now 
says it is at least a 5-year campaign, that he will throw a 
good part of his life into seeing that we follow through.
    Senator Mikulski. And that is his commitment?
    Mr. Wofford. That is his commitment.
    Senator Mikulski. It is an extraordinary commitment.
    Mr. Wofford. And he is driving the commitment process. He 
has what he calls the sweat test. When a corporation or 
organization makes the commitment required to come to 
Philadelphia, he notches it up until he sees sweat on the 
forehead of the CEO who has offered for example to adopt 100 
schools. He says, well, what about 1,000? And until there is a 
little sweat on the forehead of the person, he has not reached 
the right notching-up point.
    Senator Mikulski. Well, that sounds great. Of course, we 
are sweating here about how we are going to fund all the 
agencies, and, therefore, we want to then be clear on what is 
the role of national service, how we can be a facilitator in 
this. I think we are looking forward to this and what will be 
the followup.
    I see that my time has expired and we will look forward to 
other conversation on the America Reads Program. Thank you very 
much and this sounds like a very, very exciting opportunity.
    Mr. Wofford. Thank you, Senator.
    Senator Bond. Thank you, Senator Mikulski.
    Senator Boxer.
    Senator Boxer. Mr. Chairman, I simply want to highlight 
something that Senator Wofford did not get a chance to go into 
in detail. As one of the authors of the Violence Against Women 
Act, I note that in Iowa 20 AmeriCorps members in the Iowa 
Coalition Against Domestic Violence have made 12,464 contacts 
with victims of domestic abuse, assisted over 1,000 women in 
obtaining protective orders, and provided 371 educational 
programs for Iowans ranging from elementary school children to 
senior citizens.
    I wanted to point out something that Steve Merrill said, 
the Governor of New Hampshire, where you took that basic idea 
and instituted it there. He said:

    The national service program has been a great success in 
the State of New Hampshire and I anticipate it will continue to 
be in the future. These motivated individuals make AmeriCorps 
work for New Hampshire and I am pleased to be a partner in the 
process.

    I think there are certain issues that just cry out for 
attention in our Nation, and with a friend helping you get 
through it it means a great deal, because when a woman is 
feeling that there is no one to help her through--and it is 
usually a woman; sometimes it is a man who is on the other end 
of violence, but about 98 percent of the time it is a woman--
and the children are impacted and so on, you do need that 
helping hand.
    So it sounds to me like you have come up with some idea 
here. I was wondering if you had any plans to extend that 
program to other States as well.
    Mr. Wofford. You can view the whole of national service, 
Senator Boxer, as the Corporation's work as a kind of R&D--
research and development program--in which programs are being 
tried in all 50 States. One of our jobs is to find what works 
and what does not work; to try to spread what works and to 
share the state of the art. When there is a pilot program that 
really works, such as the 11th and 12th grade kids in 
Philadelphia schools being taught to tutor 2d graders three 
afternoons a week a couple of hours one on one and it works to 
raise the reading level of the second graders and it works to 
raise their own reading level, the 11th, 12th graders----
    Senator Boxer. Talking about domestic violence, I was just 
asking you on that one because my State----
    Mr. Wofford. I am with you.
    Senator Boxer. There are so many calls from California from 
our cities to the hotline, and it seems to me we could really 
use this type of program.
    Mr. Wofford. New Hampshire is one of the very best 
programs. We convened the State executive directors of the 
State commissions. We convened, we are about to convene, the 
chairmen of those commissions.
    We try to spread the programs that work through 
publications, E-mail, etc., so that pilots perform the function 
of a pilot and you ignite the furnace. The New Hampshire 
Program is one of them we would like to spread around the 
country.
    Senator Boxer. So in our State, so if our State wants to 
have this program then they could initiate it?
    Mr. Wofford. Indeed. The executive director of your 
commission in California, Linda Forsyth, is very aware of that 
program. I am sure she has thought about it. She is in town 
right today. I know she is very interested in that subject. 
California has one of the most inventive and aggressive 
commissions, and they are the source of many of the best pilot 
programs that we are trying to spread to other parts of the 
country.
    Senator Boxer. Good, because a couple of our cities had the 
most calls to the domestic hot line.
    Thank you very much.
    Mr. Wofford. It is a major issue, and if we could 
contribute more to it, that is good.
    Senator Boxer. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Senator Bond. Thank you very much, Senator Boxer. Thank you 
very much, Senator Wofford.


                     U.S. COURT OF VETERANS APPEALS

STATEMENT OF HON. FRANK NEBEKER, CHIEF JUDGE

                opening statement of christopher s. bond

    Senator Bond. Next, panel No. 2. I would like to welcome 
the Hon. Frank Q. Nebeker, Chief Judge of the U.S. Court of 
Veterans Appeals. Chief Judge Nebeker will be testifying on the 
administration's fiscal year 1998 budget request for the Court 
of Veterans Appeals, which totals $9.4 million, of which 
$850,000 is for the pro bono program to provide legal 
representation to veterans without counsel.
    The overall increase of $150,000 from fiscal year 1997 is 
attributable entirely to the pro bono program. The operational 
costs of the court would be held at the fiscal year 1997 level 
by cutting costs in such areas as travel and security and 
maintenance contracts.
    I am most interested in hearing the court's assessment of 
actions being taken at the VA to address the backlog of 
benefits claims and the court's appraisal of the pro bono 
program.
    Again, Judge, as I said before, we would appreciate your 
submitting a full statement for the record. Unfortunately, we 
are growing short of time in a busy day and would welcome your 
summary and your comments.
    Judge Nebeker. I will be very brief.
    Senator Bond. Thank you very much, Judge.
    Judge Nebeker. You have obviously summarized this budget 
situation for the court and the pro bono program and I will not 
repeat it.

                              CASE BACKLOG

    Your question was, I think, with respect to the delay or 
the backlog caused in the court's processing of cases, and 
indeed the problem has surfaced. The delay is in the area of 
getting the record on appeal together and in filing the 
Secretary's brief after the appellant has filed his or her 
brief.
    Group VII of the General Counsel's Office is the one that 
represents the Secretary before the court. They have been 
decimated by vacancies. They have been troubled by other 
personnel problems and their morale is low. They have got to 
have help. The resources were not given to them by the general 
counsel, but that matter has been brought to her attention and 
I am assured that the situation will be remedied as rapidly as 
is possible.
    Senator Bond. Thank you, sir.

                             BUDGET SUMMARY

    Judge Nebeker. As I observed in my written statement, the 
court's budget is flat this year, the same as it was last year. 
We have to maintain--though we are cutting back on the FTE's, 
we have to maintain good service for the many pro se appellants 
who appear before the court. That is somewhat of a labor 
intensive, if you will, undertaking.
    The only other point I would like to make this morning is, 
that again we ask that in your minds as you make the 
appropriations decision, keep the court's operating budget 
separate and apart from the pro bono program, until such time 
as the pro bono program, can be authorized and made 
independent.
    We understand that must be done before the appropriation 
process does not run through the court. But the court can act 
as a conduit, provided there is not a conflict in its operating 
budget over what the program needs.
    I will not address the merits of the pro bono program, as 
they are capable of doing that themselves.
    That would conclude my comments.
    [The statement follows:]

                 Prepared Statement of Frank Q. Nebeker
    Mister Chairman and distinguished members of the committee: On 
behalf of the Court, I appreciate the opportunity to present for your 
consideration the fiscal year 1998 budget of $9,379,804 for the United 
States Court of Veterans Appeals.
    The Court's total fiscal year 1998 budget request contains the same 
dollar amount for personnel and operations as in the Court's fiscal 
year 1997 appropriation. It also includes $850,804 requested by the Pro 
Bono Representation Program (Program), which is 121.5 percent of the 
$700,000 appropriated for fiscal year 1997. The Program has provided 
its own supporting statement for its budget request.
    Last year I urged that the Pro Bono Representation Program be 
authorized and funded outside the Court's appropriation. I outlined the 
reasons for the Court's concerns with the continued inclusion of the 
Program's funding in the Court's appropriation. The Court continues to 
be of the view that such a funding method impermissibly links the Court 
to one class of litigants, and thereby exposes the Court to an 
appearance of partiality and a consequent erosion in the public's trust 
and confidence in the judicial review of veterans' claims. I ask again 
that the funding for the Program be separated from the Court's 
appropriation, not only in the budget deliberations in Congress, but in 
the actual budget enactment. To that end, I urge the authorization of 
the Program and legislation permitting its independent budget.
    Notwithstanding these reservations, and consistent with Congress' 
direction, the Court is forwarding the Program's fiscal year 1998 
request for $850,804 as an appendix to the Court's submission and, 
consistent with that direction, is including that amount in the Court's 
total fiscal year 1998 budget request. The Legal Services Corporation 
administers the grants for the Program and, according to its 
evaluations, the Program is working the way it should. The Program has 
provided its own supporting statement for its budget request, which, as 
noted, represents a 21.5 percent increase over the $700,000 
appropriated for fiscal year 1997.
    The Court has kept a flat budget by continuing a number of cost-
saving measures, including a 25 percent reduction in the budget 
allotted for travel, with no funding requested for Court hearings 
outside Washington. Also, as I stated in my testimony last year, the 
Court now is holding its judicial conference every other year, rather 
than annually. This event focuses on continuing education for the 
Court's practitioners and is held locally. Of even more significance, 
the Court is requesting funding for only 79 full-time equivalent (FTE) 
positions in fiscal year 1998 which is a voluntary reduction of 2 FTE 
positions from the fiscal year 1997 authorized FTE level, and matches 
the fiscal year 1998 FTE target level recommended by the Office of 
Management and Budget in its implementation of the National Performance 
Review. The requested 79 FTE positions are required to maintain high-
quality service to litigants seeking judicial review, particularly 
those who come to the Court unrepresented.
    As the Court's budget statement illustrates, in a chart the Clerk 
has compiled, after a drop in the number of appeals in fiscal year 
1994, the numbers have continued to climb in fiscal year 1995 and 
fiscal year 1996, and the upward trend seems to be continuing. The 
number of denials by the Board of Veterans' Appeals, from whose 
decisions the Court's appeals derive, increased from 6,400 appeals in 
fiscal year 1995 to 10,455 appeals in fiscal year 1996. Furthermore, as 
noted in the Court's budget submission, the statistics kept by the 
Board of Veterans' Appeals (Board) on ``denials'' do not include Board 
decisions that deny some, but not all, of the benefits sought. The 
denials in such cases are also appealable to the Court. Thus, the 
number of pending cases may continue to increase at an even greater 
rate than is predictable as a set percentage of the number of full 
Board ``denials.'' The percentage of unrepresented appeals has fallen 
from 80 percent in fiscal year 1995 to 72 percent in fiscal year 1996. 
However, this rate remains much higher than the 46 percent 
unrepresented civil appeal rate in U.S. courts of appeals. While the 
Court has, voluntarily, kept pace with the recommendations of the 
National Performance Review, which propose an 11.5 percent FTE 
reduction over six years, further reductions in staff may need to be 
re-evaluated based on the likelihood of an increased caseload and a 
percentage of pro se appellants that continues to be relatively high.
    It is my understanding that the Independent Budget Veterans Service 
Organizations (IBVSO's) have reached similar conclusions as to 
increasing caseload in the chapter on the U.S. Court of Veterans 
Appeals in their Independent Budget for Fiscal Year 1998. The IBVSO's 
document a presently rising caseload and oppose downsizing of the Court 
for that reason.
    On another matter, I am appending to this testimony a copy of my 
letter to Chairman Specter emphasizing the importance of passing Title 
II of the legislative proposal submitted last year to make the Court's 
retirement/survivor program comparable to the systems of other Article 
I Courts. As I point out in my letter, the legislative proposal was 
initially submitted in response to Congressional inquiries regarding 
the Court's caseload relative to the requisite number of judges on the 
Court and regarding the comparability of the Court's judicial 
retirement/survivor program.
    Following last year's transmittal, there was an increase in the 
number of notices of appeal filed with the Court, and a consequent 
increase in the number of pending cases. Some veterans service 
organizations have either opposed enactment of Title I or, more 
cautiously, favored a ``wait and see'' approach to it. Based on the 
increase in notices of appeal, the ``wait and see'' approach has been 
shown to be the wiser course as to Title I, and the Court recognizes 
its merit. Accordingly, the Court does not press consideration of Title 
I by the Committee.
    I am aware of no negative comments with regard to the provisions of 
Title II. I ask for your active support in obtaining enactment of Title 
II to make the Court's retirement/survivor program more comparable with 
other Article I Court programs. Because of Judge Hart Mankin's death in 
May 1996, his widow, Ruth Mankin, is now a survivor under the Court's 
survivor annuity program. Survivors under the Court's annuity program 
are at a considerable disadvantage, over time, in comparison to the 
survivors of other deceased Article I judges covered by the Survivors' 
Annuity Systems enacted to provide such benefits to them. I ask that 
you take expeditious action to enact Title II, which is estimated to 
have an actuarially insignificant cost impact.
    In conclusion, I appreciate this opportunity to present the Court's 
budget request for fiscal year 1998. On behalf of the judges and staff, 
I thank you for your past support and request your continued assistance 
and favorable report to the Appropriations Committee on our budget 
request.
                                 ______
                                 
                The Veterans Consortium Pro Bono Program
                    revised fiscal year 1998 budget
    The Veterans Consortium Advisory Committee has revised the proposed 
fiscal year 1998 budget, to reflect the fact that we have found 
ourselves able to fill, through personnel donated by one of the 
Consortium's constituent veterans service organizations, a position 
that we had expected to have to fund out of fiscal year 1998 grant 
funds. We have also adjusted the Program budget to reflect the 
additional cost of $5,000 for an audit in compliance with OMB Circular 
A-133, required for the first time next year by LSC. The result of 
these adjustments is that the overall budgeted expenditures for fiscal 
year 1998, set in the original budget at $850,804, are reduced by 
$57,487, to a total of $793,317.
    A spreadsheet setting out the revised budget in detail is attached 
hereto as Exhibit A; a summary of significant statistical information 
regarding the Program is attached as Exhibit B. This memorandum will 
first provide an overview of the budget as revised, and then address in 
some detail the increases contemplated over the current fiscal year 
1997 budget and the changes from the fiscal year 1998 budget as 
originally proposed.

                                OVERVIEW

    The revised budgeted expenditures of $793,317 represent an increase 
of 13.3 percent over the $700,000 appropriation for fiscal year 1997; 
but only a 6.65 percent increase over the budget on which the Program 
is currently operating, which calls for expenditures of $743,838. That 
budget figure was the amount of the appropriation we sought for fiscal 
year 1997; and although the appropriation was for a lesser amount, we 
have been able to operate on the basis of the original budget because 
there were unexpended funds from the previous fiscal year, largely the 
result of curtailed operations in fiscal year 1996 resulting from 
uncertainties as to whether the Program would be able to continue to 
operate at all.
    It is pertinent to note that the level of expenditures contemplated 
by the revised fiscal year 1998 budget happens to correspond quite 
closely to the amount of the appropriations for the Program in fiscal 
year 1994 and fiscal year 1995, namely, $790,000--and without any 
adjustment for inflation for the four-year interval from fiscal year 
1994 to fiscal year 1998. Indeed, that figure was the amount that the 
Court of Veterans Appeals contemplated would also be provided for the 
Program for fiscal year 1996: the Court requested an appropriation for 
the Program for that fiscal year of $678,000, but that lesser figure 
took into account $112,000 that had been conserved by the Program in 
prior years, and that remained available for Program expenditures in 
fiscal year 1996. The Court observed, in submitting the fiscal year 
1996 request, that ``this is a nonrecurring reduction [in the requested 
appropriation] that could not be maintained in future years without 
programmatic changes that the Court does not now anticipate would be 
desirable.''
    By reason of the overall budget reductions in fiscal year 1996, 
however, the Program wound up operating on a revised budget, covering 
both the ``A'' and ``B'' grants, of $633,931. This revised budget was 
$34,278 less than the amount actually expended in the previous fiscal 
year, $44,069 less than the $678,000 in new appropriations for the 
Program that had been in the Court's budget submission, and $156,069 
less than the $790,000 contemplated by the Court's fiscal year 1996 
budget submission. As we pointed out in our fiscal year 1997 budget 
submission, the amount on which we were operating in fiscal year 1996 
was insufficient for the Program to operate as originally envisioned, 
and we needed to make up for that year's shortfall if the Program was 
to resume operating at full steam. Mindful of budgetary exigencies, 
however, we did not then ask that the Program be restored to its full 
prior level of appropriated funding. That is, however, what we are 
asking now.
      detailed explanation of the revised fiscal year 1998 budget
    The proposed increase in expenditures from the fiscal year 1997 
budget reflects both the need to deal with the backlog of cases in the 
Case Evaluation and Placement Component, resulting from a period when 
that component was understaffed, and an anticipated continuing increase 
in the number of BVA decisions and consequent appeals to the Court and 
a corresponding increase in the Program's caseload. Thus, in the first 
six months of fiscal year 1997 we received 294 PRF's (Participation 
Request Forms), compared to 217 in the comparable period in fiscal year 
1996, and placed 120 cases with volunteer lawyers as compared to 93: 
increases of 35 percent and 29 percent, respectively.
    Since personnel costs--the salary and benefits of some of the 
individuals performing services for the Program that are reimbursed out 
of grant funds--account for the major part of the Program budget (they 
were 70.2 percent in fiscal year 1997, and are 74.5 percent in the 
revised fiscal year 1998 budget), they account for most of the increase 
as well. These personnel costs relate to a portion of the time of the 
personnel who staff the Outreach and the Education Components, and the 
entirety of the time of most of the personnel who staff the Case 
Evaluation and Placement Component (the services of the other staff 
being provided free of charge to the Program). In all instances the 
staff are actually employees of one or the other of two of the 
Consortium's four constituent organizations--National Veterans Legal 
Services Program (NVLSP) or Paralyzed Veterans of American (PVA)--which 
are reimbursed from grant funds for the appropriate portion of their 
salary and benefits. Table A shows in summary form the number of 
persons providing services for each component, and the number of Full-
Time Equivalent (FTE) positions to be paid out of grant funds in fiscal 
year 1997 and fiscal year 1998.

                            TABLE A.--PRO BONO PROGRAM PERSONNEL AND FTE DISTRIBUTION                           
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                                                             Total No. of                                       
                                                               personnel        Total FTE       Total FTE to be 
                         Component                          providing some    reimbursed by      reimbursed by  
                                                            service to the    grant, fiscal      grant, fiscal  
                                                                program         year 1997          year 1998    
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Outreach..................................................               6               0.17               0.21
Education.................................................              10               0.96               1.05
Case evaluation and placement.............................              10               7.5                8.0 
                                                           -----------------------------------------------------
      Total...............................................              26               8.63               9.26
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    A fuller breakdown by component follows.
I. Case Evaluation and Placement Component--$575,383
    The revised fiscal year 1998 budget contemplates an increase of 
$39,262 over the fiscal year 1997 budget for the Case Evaluation and 
Placement Component (referred to in the budget spreadsheet as the 
``Screening'' component). This is in place of the $99,249 increase 
reflected in the original fiscal year 1998 budget.
    A. Personnel.--There are three categories of personnel staffing 
this Component: lawyers, non-lawyer veterans law specialists, and 
support staff.
    Two lawyers, the Director and the Deputy Director, function full 
time as such in the Case Evaluation and Placement Component, and the 
entirety of their personnel cost is reimbursed by the Program--in one 
instance to PVA and the other to NVLSP. Thus, the lawyer FTE for this 
Component reimbursed from grant funds, in both fiscal year 1997 and 
fiscal year 1998, is 2.0.
    Veterans law specialists review the VA claims file and BVA decision 
to determine whether or not each case contains an issue that warrants 
referral to a lawyer. Veterans law specialists come from the 
constituent Veterans Service Organizations and are among the most 
experienced non-lawyer service officers these organizations have to 
offer.
    It was originally contemplated that there would be four full-time 
veterans law specialists, plus part-time help equivalent to half the 
time of a fifth, in the Case Evaluation and Placement Component in 
fiscal year 1997--two of the full time specialists being supplied, on a 
reimbursable basis, by PVA, and the other two donated by Disabled 
American Veterans (DAV) and The American Legion, respectively. However, 
in late fiscal year 1996, The American Legion recalled its specialist 
to the organization's national office and could not furnish a 
replacement until midway through the fiscal year. As a result of this 
and other personnel difficulties, the Component operated with only 3 
FTE veterans law specialists for the first five months of the year. 
This fact, combined with increased filings, had created a backlog of 
some 141 cases as of May, 1997. At the time the fiscal year 1998 budget 
was prepared, this Component had a total of 3.5 FTE veterans law 
specialists, 2.5 of them reimbursed by the Program and the other 
donated by DAV. The original fiscal year 1998 budget contemplated an 
increase of 1.5 FTE, to bring the total number of specialists 
(including one donated specialist) to five. Since the restoration of 
the American Legion's donated specialist, however, the need for one 
additional reimbursed specialist has been eliminated, and the budget 
has been reduced accordingly.
    There are three full-time administrative support staff in the Case 
Evaluation and Placement Component, all employees of NVLSP, and all 
reimbursed out of Program funds.
    The levels of salaries and benefits paid to the personnel who staff 
the Program are of necessity governed by the general personnel policies 
of the constituent organizations of which they are employees--i.e., PVA 
and NVLSP--and to which they may return in the event of termination of 
the Program or rotation of personnel by the organizations involved. 
Both of those organizations expect to increase their staff salaries 
generally by 5 percent, of which 3 percent will be an across-the-board 
cost of living increase and 2 percent will be allocated for merit 
raises. The increases are reflected in the personnel costs of all three 
Components of the Program in the fiscal year 1998 budget.
    B. Travel/Continuing Legal Education.--The revised fiscal year 1998 
budget, like the original one, includes an increased allocation of 
$1,500 for travel/CLE (to $2,500) to be used for continuing legal 
education for lawyer staff of this Component. This is largely offset by 
a reduction of $1,000 in the amount allocated for travel/CLE for the 
Education Component.
    C. Audit.--Audit costs have been increased by an additional $2,500 
in the revised fiscal year 1998 budget to reflect the Component's share 
of the increased cost of the annual audit by reason of the new LSC 
requirement, mentioned above.
    D. Property Acquisition and Contract Services.--These will decrease 
by $10,000 from the amount budgeted for fiscal year 1997. Major 
improvements to the databases will be completed in fiscal year 1997.
II. Outreach Component--$25,157
    The revised fiscal year 1998 budget calls for a $6,537 increase 
over the fiscal year 1997 budget for the Outreach Component: $500 more 
than the original fiscal year 1998 budget. As indicated below, all but 
$1,776 of the increase is in personnel costs.
    A. Personnel.--These costs are budgeted to increase by $5,349 
because we anticipate a continued increase in recruiting needs. We 
assume a greater need for volunteer lawyers in fiscal year 1998 because 
of the known and anticipated increase in the number of BVA decisions; 
the budget also assumes that we will continue outreach efforts outside 
the Metropolitan Washington area. Personnel costs include an increase 
of 5 percent, as discussed previously under Case Evaluation and 
Placement.
    Three NVLSP lawyers devote a portion of their time to the Outreach 
Component; and that portion of their personnel cost is reimbursed by 
the Program. The aggregate lawyer FTE for the Outreach Component 
reimbursed from grant funds in fiscal year 1997 is 0.07; the FTE 
contemplated for fiscal year 1998 remains at 0.07.
    Three NVLSP non-lawyers also function for part of their time in the 
Outreach Component; and that portion of their personnel cost is 
reimbursed by the Program. The aggregate non-lawyer FTE for the 
Outreach Component reimbursed from grant funds in fiscal year 1997 is 
0.10; the FTE contemplated by the fiscal year 1998 budget is 0.14.
    B. Other.--The only change from the original fiscal year 1998 
budget to the revised one is an increase of $500 in the audit line to 
reflect the Outreach Component's share of the increased cost of the 
annual audit. The remainder of the $1,776 difference in non-personnel 
expenses between fiscal year 1997 and fiscal year 1998 reflects line 
item adjustments based on past experience.
III. Education Component--$126,545
    The revised fiscal year 1998 budget calls for an increase of 
$12,998 over the fiscal year 1997 budget: $2,000 more than the original 
fiscal year 1998 budget.
    A. Personnel.--Personnel costs are budgeted to increase by $8,934.
    A total of 6 NVLSP lawyers function in the Education Component, and 
a portion of their personnel cost is reimbursed by the Program. We 
anticipate an increase in mentoring duties, due to the cumulative 
effect from previously assigned but still pending cases. We plan to 
contain this cost, however, by assigning more mentoring duties to 
personnel with lower personnel costs. The aggregate lawyer FTE for the 
Education Component reimbursed from grant funds in fiscal year 1997 is 
0.51; the FTE contemplated for fiscal year 1998 is 0.54.
    Four NVLSP non-lawyers function in the Education Component, and all 
four of them have a portion of their personnel cost reimbursed by the 
Program. The cost of grant administration has been increased to 25 
percent of the time of both the Grant Administrator and the 
Administrative Assistant, based on past experience and an anticipated 
increase in the Grant Administrator's time required for audit 
preparation and contract reporting. The aggregate non-lawyer FTE for 
the Education Component reimbursed from grant funds in fiscal year 1997 
is 0.45; for fiscal year 1998 it will be 0.51.
    B. Other.--As with the Outreach Component, the only change with 
respect to the Education Component, from the original fiscal year 1998 
budget, is an increase in the audit costs, by $2,000, to reflect the 
Education Component's share of the increased cost of the annual audit 
pursuant to the new LSC requirement. The remainder of the difference 
from the fiscal year 1997 budget reflects various adjustments based on 
past experience.
IV. ``B'' Grant--$44,232
    This line assumes a total of 24 cases at a cost of $1,843 per case. 
This represents a 3 percent per case increase over the fiscal year 1997 
budget figure of $1,785 per case; it also reflects a reduction from the 
total number of budgeted cases (30) in both fiscal year 1996 and fiscal 
year 1997, as we continue to fine-tune this requirement.
V. LSC Oversight--$20,000

                            DONATED SERVICES

    The vast majority of services rendered to the Pro Bono Program are 
donated.
    The most impressive contribution is the value of the legal services 
provided by volunteer lawyers recruited by the Program. For fiscal year 
1996, for example, the value of the pro bono representation provided by 
volunteer attorneys under the Program was estimated to be $2,255,618--
providing, when combined with the contributions of the participating 
organizations, a return of some 3 to 1 on the appropriated federal 
funds.
    The American Legion and the DAV receive no reimbursement for the 
salary or related expenses for the full-time veterans law specialists 
they provide to the Program. Those two organizations have not reported 
the cost of providing these specialists, but it is obviously comparable 
to that of the two specialists whose costs are reimbursed from grant 
funds.
    Neither DAV nor PVA receives any reimbursement for the time spent 
by its lawyers in providing mentoring services for the Education 
Component. Together, these contributions can be conservatively 
estimated at $20,000 annually.
    None of the participating organizations receives any reimbursement 
for time spent by their representatives in connection with the 
activities of the Consortium's Advisory Committee. (The fiscal year 
1996 estimated value of that time was $101,524.)
    The total value of contributions by the participating organizations 
(with the exception of the unreported value of the contributions by the 
American Legion and DAV, mentioned above) in fiscal year 1996 was 
estimated at $202,580.

             CONTRIBUTIONS OF EAJA FEE AWARDS BY LAW FIRMS

    As previously reported, the Program has on seven occasions since 
late 1995 received unsolicited donations from law firms (four of the 
donations being from one firm), in each case representing part or all 
of an Equal Access to Justice (EAJA) fee award recovered by the 
donating firm in a case taken under the Program. (We have also received 
a $20 contribution from a grateful veteran.) All four of the 
contributing firms are large firms; among such firms it is quite 
commonly firm policy to give away to one or another pro bono cause fee 
awards recovered in pro bono cases--generally to the organization at 
whose behest the matter was taken on. The total of such donations 
(including the $20 one) to date is $45,054.08.
    The Advisory Committee has established a special account to which 
all such contributions will be earmarked, to be used for Program 
activities for which grant funds have not hitherto been sought or 
applied. It is the Committee's view that the uses made of such donated 
funds must be ones that the donating firms would deem appropriate, and 
that would tend to elicit other donations by participating firms: thus, 
it would be counterproductive to treat the donated funds as an offset 
for appropriated funds. The Committee has decided that initially the 
earmarked funds will be used for three purposes: to fund outreach 
activities in other jurisdictions; to fund presentation of the lawyer 
training program in other jurisdictions; and, in selected cases, to pay 
expenses incurred by solo practitioners who wish to take cases under 
the Program and who would find it more feasible to participate if 
certain essential costs are defrayed by the Program.

                               Exhibit A

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                               Exhibit B

                             PRO BONO PROGRAM AT THE U.S. COURT OF VETERANS APPEALS                             
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                                                                             Fiscal years                       
                                                              ------------------------------------------        
                                                                1993    1994    1995    1996   1997 \1\  Program
                                                                (9/1/  (10/1/  (10/1/  (10/1/  (10/1/96-  total 
                                                                92-9/   93-9/   94-9/   95-9/  9/30/97)         
                                                               30/93)  30/94)  30/95)  30/96)                   
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Total appeals filed at CVA \2\...............................   1,265   1,148   1,204   1,561      798     5,976
Appeals filed Pro Se \2\.....................................   1,044     918     957   1,141      547     4,607
Pro Bono Program application forms sent......................     853     648     812     936      565     3,812
Veterans who filed applications for program consideration....     580     450     609     493      295     2,427
Veterans who received free attorney..........................     231     187     201     181      120       920
Veterans who received some form of legal assistance (but no                                                     
 representation due to program ineligibility)................     343     262     327     287      186     1,405
Percent of program eligible veterans who received                                                               
 representation (percent)....................................     100     100     100     100      100       100
Program cases completed during fiscal year \3\...............      52     147     199     156       88       642
Program cases in which VA error found \3\....................      45     112     158     125       64       504
Percent of cases in which veteran prevailed in litigation                                                       
 through program efforts (percent)...........................    86.5    76.2    79.4    80.1     72.7      78.5
                                                                                                                
Recruited attorneys who have received training \4\...........     236     100     121     160       93       710
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\1\ Figures through 2nd quarter fiscal year 1997 only.                                                          
\2\ Figures supplied by the Court (through 2/28/97 only).                                                       
\3\ Figures do not include cases where representation was declined by the appellant, nor cases where the        
  appellant died during pendency of appeal.                                                                     
\4\ Does not include 43 attorneys for whom training was waived.                                                 
                                                                                                                
Note: Figures subject to minor revision.                                                                        

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                      Letter From Frank Q. Nebeker
                            U.S. Court of Veterans Appeals,
                                  Washington, DC, February 4, 1997.
Hon. Arlen Specter,
Chairman, Committee on Veterans' Affairs,
U.S. Senate, Washington, DC.
    Dear Mr. Chairman: On June 10, 1996, I transmitted to the Chairmen 
and Ranking Minority Members of the Senate and House Committees on 
Veterans' Affairs a proposal to downsize the number of the Court's 
associate judges (Title I of the proposal) and to make the Court's 
retirement/survivor program comparable to the systems of other Article 
I Courts (Title II of the proposal). The proposal, a duplicate of which 
I again transmit with this letter, was submitted in response to 
Congressional inquiries regarding the Court's caseload relative to the 
requisite number of judges on the Court and regarding the comparability 
of the Court's judicial retirement/survivor program. The 104th Congress 
took no action on either Title I or Title II.
    With respect to Title I, I indicated in my transmittal letter that 
case filings during the fiscal year 1990-92 period had averaged 1,942 
per year but had dropped in the fiscal year 1993-95 period to an annual 
average of 1,224. At the time of my transmittal, case filings for the 
first 6 months of fiscal year 1996 were estimated to be 595 which 
suggested that fiscal year 1996 filings would be less than average 
annual filings for fiscal year 1993-95. During the last 6 months of 
fiscal year 1996, filings rose so that total fiscal year 1996 filings 
reached 1,620. For the first quarter of fiscal year 1997 the Court 
received 457 filings. I further indicated in my transmittal letter that 
cases pending at the end of each year of the fiscal year 1990-92 period 
had averaged 1,865 but had dropped to an average of 1,182 at the end of 
each year of the fiscal year 1993-95 period. At the time of my 
transmittal, it is estimated that 1,438 cases were pending. At the end 
of the first quarter of fiscal year 1997, 1,707 cases were pending. It 
should be further noted that the Board of Veterans Appeals, from which 
the Court's appeals derive, denied 6,400 appeals in fiscal year 1995 
and 10,455 appeals in fiscal year 1996.
    Several veterans service organizations either opposed enactment of 
Title I or, more cautiously, favored ``a wait and see'' approach to it. 
Enactment of Title I would result in estimated net annual savings of 
$660,900.
    With respect to Title II, my June 10, 1996, transmittal letter 
stated:

          In the matter of the retirement/survivor program, I have 
        received several letters from past chairmen of the Senate 
        Veteran's Affairs Committee regarding the comparability of the 
        Court's program with those established for other federal courts 
        and have twice responded to the invitation to provide comments 
        on a Congressional Research Service Report (Dennis W. Snook & 
        Jennifer A. Neisner, ``Congressional Research Service Report 
        for Congress, Income Protection for Judges of Selected Federal 
        Courts,'' dated December 29, 1993) (CRS report), that was 
        prepared on that subject. The Court was asked to continue to 
        review the matter and to advise the Committee of its findings. 
        Enclosed also is a copy of the CRS report, annotated so that it 
        may be used in conjunction with a memorandum dated November 14, 
        1994 (Memorandum), also enclosed, prepared by the Court's 
        Committee on Legislative Matters, which addresses certain minor 
        deficiencies in the CRS report. The Court's review has revealed 
        that each judicial retirement/survivor program has unique 
        features and also that the retirement programs of other Article 
        I federal courts have generally been enhanced over the last 7 
        years, whereas this Court's program has generally remained 
        static since its creation in 1989. The Court believes that 
        certain aspects of this resulting disparity should be addressed 
        in corrective legislation to make the Court's program more 
        comparable with other Article I federal court retirement 
        programs. Accordingly, the Proposal also provides for systemic 
        reforms in the Court's retirement/survivor system that are 
        designed to put the Court on a more equal footing with the 
        systems provided for other Article I courts.

    I ask for your active support as Chairman in obtaining enactment of 
Title II to make the Court's retirement/survivor program more 
comparable with other Article I court programs. Because of the death of 
Judge Hart Mankin, on May 28, 1996, his widow, Ruth Mankin, is now a 
survivor under the Court's survivor annuity program. Over time, she 
will be at considerable disadvantage in comparison to widows of 
deceased Article I judges covered by the Joint Survivors' Annuity 
System. In this regard, I am hopeful that you will respond with 
expeditious action to enact Section 204 of Title II which is estimated 
to be without actuarially significant cost impact and without any 
appropriations impact. Enactment of all sections of Title II other than 
Section 204 is estimated to be without cost or appropriations impact.
    I would also ask that you consider enacting legislation that would 
change the Court's name to the United States Court of Appeals for 
Veterans Claims. Many veterans and attorneys believe that the Court is 
an administrative tribunal of the Department of Veterans Affairs rather 
than an independent judicial entity. The present name of the Court 
appears to add to that belief especially in view of the fact that the 
name, ``United States Court of Veterans Appeals'', is often reduced to 
the acronym ``CVA'', which is not readily distinguishable from ``BVA,'' 
the acronym for the Board of Veterans Appeals which is an 
administrative tribunal of the Department, or ``DVA,'' the common 
acronym for the Department. It is important that the Court be perceived 
as both judicial and independent. Adoption of the name ``United States 
Court of Appeals for Veterans Claims'' should promote that perception. 
Such a change would also be consistent with action in recent years with 
respect to the names of other Article I Courts. The United States Court 
of Claims became the United States Court of Federal Claims in 1992. The 
United States Court of Military Appeals became the United States Court 
of Appeals for the Armed Forces in 1994.
    Finally, I bring to your attention one additional matter. The Court 
was created in 1988 without any antecedent structure and with no judges 
in place (Veterans' Judicial Review Act, Public Law No. 100-687, Div. 
A., 102 Stat. 4105 (Nov. 18, 1988)). All 6 of the Court's original 
associate judges assumed office within a period of approximately 1 year 
of each other. Assuming that Title I of the proposal is not enacted, 
the 15-year terms of the Court's remaining 5 original associate judges 
will expire within a period of approximately 1 year of each other. As a 
consequence, and again assuming no downsizing, I recommend that 
consideration be given to attempting to eliminate the undesirable 
dislocating effect of such a rapid turnover by permitting early 
retirement of remaining original associate judges who meet certain age 
and service requirements which, in turn, could space the sequencing of 
retirements so as to assure continuity of experience in the Court's 
judicial component. Implementation may be achievable, pursuant to 38 
U.S.C. Sec. 7298(2)(A), within existing appropriations. It should be 
noted that several Article I Courts have early retirement programs 
applicable to all their judges.
    Thank you for your consideration. I am sending the same letter and 
enclosures to Chairman Stump, and Ranking Minority Members Rockefeller 
and Evans.
            Sincerely,
                                          Frank Q. Nebeker,
                                                       Chief Judge.

                          va decision process

    Senator Bond. Thank you, Judge.
    Senator Mikulski will be rejoining us shortly.
    The committee has been concerned for a long time with the 
whole process of adjudicating claims at the Department of 
Veterans Affairs, both in terms of the time it takes and the 
quality of decisions. The VA has undertaken some initiatives to 
make improvements, such as business process reengineering.
    First, do you see any evidence that the quality of 
decisionmaking is improving at the VA?
    Judge Nebeker. Not in the cases that come before the court. 
The error rate is still approximately 50 percent. That is, 50 
percent of the cases that come to issue and are decided by the 
judges are remanded because of prejudicial error in the 
decision somewhere.
    Senator Bond. Well, 2 years ago you said the rate was in 
excess of 60 percent, so while 50 percent is not great, I guess 
there is progress, going from 60 percent to 50 percent.
    What needs to be done?
    Judge Nebeker. Well, I wish I knew. Obviously, more 
resources at the Board level, but they have got the resources. 
They have been augmented tremendously in an austere budget 
period. They have cut back to one member panel, that is, single 
member decisions, and they are putting out more decisions. As a 
matter of fact, the denial rate before the Board has gone from 
6,000 last year to 10,000 this year. We can expect that 
reverberation to affect the case load of the court in the next 
year, 6 months to 1 year.
    Senator Bond. In October 1994 at the court's third judicial 
conference, you called upon Secretary Brown to make unequivocal 
use of the powers invested in his office to ensure that 
precedent opinions are followed and the judgments in specific 
cases are met with full and prompt compliance.
    Has there been any action on that recommendation?
    Judge Nebeker. There have been a number of committees 
studying it.
    Senator Bond. Studying it?
    Judge Nebeker. Yes, sir.
    Senator Bond. Thanks.
    In addition, a commission authorized by Congress, the so-
called Melidosian Commission, recently finalized its report on 
improving claims processing. It said the claims adjudication 
system was created by the VA to process the benefits legislated 
by Congress, but that layer upon layer of changes have been 
added to the benefits and, therefore, to the processing system 
and that there has never been a wholesale revision to bring all 
changes into a harmonious whole. Therefore, the nature of the 
product's benefits have helped lead to a system which is 
perceived as inefficient, untimely, and inaccurate.
    Do you believe Congress needs to legislate an overhaul to 
the claims processing system as contemplated, or could it be 
achieved by regulation? What is your view on the needed 
reforms?
    Judge Nebeker. Mr. Chairman, I am not in a position to 
offer an opinion respecting the operations of an executive 
branch Department, particularly one of the size of the 
Department of Veterans Affairs. I note that that Melidosian 
report pretty well echoed what I suggested 2 years ago at the 
judicial conference, which you just mentioned.
    But insofar as a court entering into the political arena of 
what ought to be done to make a particular executive branch 
program work, I am totally unqualified to do that.

                    PRO BONO REPRESENTATION PROGRAM

    Senator Bond. With respect to the proposed reprogramming of 
$950,000 to initiate the pro bono representation program, your 
testimony says:

    The court's judges continue to believe that this funding 
method links the court to one class of litigants and exposes it 
to charges of lacking impartiality, thereby degrading the 
public's trust and confidence in the judicial review of 
veterans' claims.

    The court has altered its position on the pro bono 
representation program last year after supporting its inclusion 
in the budget for several years. Would you explain what the 
status is and where this program stands and what the trust and 
confidence level may be in the judicial system?
    Judge Nebeker. Well, the program is a successful program. 
It not only--well, its major purpose is to help the pro se 
veterans. To the extent that it thereby helps the court, that 
is a windfall and a desirable windfall. We are a conduit for 
their funding and as long as we can be assured and the public 
can be assured that the court is not funding the program out of 
its own operating budget, then I think there is no real 
concern.
    But if the idea is that the court is funding a particular 
side of the litigation that appears before it, it is not unlike 
the court funding a public defender service or a prosecutor's 
office to the exclusion of the other side. It is that problem 
that we think needs to be solved, because there is an 
appearance that the court is in a position of being compromised 
where it should not be.

                                CLOSING

    Senator Bond. Thank you very much, Judge.
    Let me see if Senator Mikulski wants to ask any questions. 
In the interest of time, I will submit the remainder of the 
questions I have for the record. I think you have covered very 
well the things we have discussed and I appreciate your 
responsiveness to the questions, as well as to the concerns 
that we have expressed.
    Senator Mikulski has said that she will submit her 
questions for the record. I appreciate very much your 
testimony.
    Judge Nebeker. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I do try 
to be responsive to questions when they are asked.
    Senator Bond. It is a very pleasant trait. I certainly 
enjoy it.
                  AMERICAN BATTLE MONUMENTS COMMISSION

STATEMENT OF GEN. JOHN P. HERRLING, U.S. ARMY 
            (RETIRED), SECRETARY
    Senator Bond. I welcome our final panel: Gen. John P. 
Herrling, Secretary of the American Battle Monuments 
Commission, will be testifying on the administration's budget 
request for fiscal year 1998 for the ABMC of $23.9 million, an 
increase of $1.6 million over fiscal year 1997's appropriation 
of $22.3 million. Mr. Steve Dola, the Deputy Assistant 
Secretary for Management and Budget for the Department of the 
Army, Cemeterial Expenses, will be testifying on the 
administration's budget request for fiscal year 1998 of $11.8 
million, a $200,000 increase over to $11.6 million appropriated 
for fiscal year 1997. This funding would cover the maintenance, 
operation, and improvement of Arlington National Cemetery and 
the Soldiers and Airmen's Home National Cemetery. Finally, Mr. 
Gil Coronado, Director of the Selective Service System, will 
testify on the administration's budget request for fiscal year 
1998 of $23.9 million for the Selective Service, an increase of 
$1 million over the $22 million appropriated for fiscal year 
1997 for the Selective Service.
    With that, General Herrling.
    General Herrling. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. On behalf of the 
Commissioners of the American Battle Monuments Commission, I am 
pleased to appear before you today. Let me begin by thanking 
you and the members of this committee for the support that you 
have provided our Commission over the years.
    The special nature of the American Battle Monuments 
Commission places it in a unique and highly responsible 
position with the American people. The manner in which we care 
for our honored war dead is and should remain a reflection of 
the high regard in which we as a Nation memorialize their 
service and sacrifices.
    As you know, the American Battle Monuments Commission was 
established by Congress in 1923. It is a small, one-of-a-kind 
organization responsible for commemorating the services of the 
Armed Forces where they have served since April 6, 1917. We do 
this through the construction and maintenance of memorial 
shrines, monuments, and military burial grounds on foreign 
soil.
    The American Battle Monuments Commission operates and 
maintains 24 permanent memorial cemeteries and 28 monuments, 
memorials, and markers in 15 countries around the world. We 
have 8 World War I and 14 World War II cemeteries located in 
Europe, the Mediterranean, North Africa, and the Philippines. 
All of these cemeteries are closed to burials. In addition, we 
are responsible for the American cemeteries in Mexico City and 
Panama.
    Interred in these cemeteries are approximately 31,000 World 
War I dead, 93,000 from World War II, and 750 from the Mexican 
war, for a total of 125,000. Also we have approximately 5,000 
American veterans and others buried in the cemetery in Panama. 
In addition, we have honored another 94,000 service members on 
the Walls of the Missing, dedicated to those missing in action 
or those lost or buried at sea.
    The care of these cemeteries and memorials requires a 
significant annual program of maintenance and repair of 
facilities, equipment, and grounds. The care and maintenance of 
these facilities is labor intensive. Therefore, personnel costs 
amount to 72 percent of our budget for fiscal year 1998. The 
remaining 28 percent is required to fund our operations which 
include engineering maintenance, utilities, horticultural 
supplies, equipment, and administrative costs.
    Also, because of the permanent nature of our operations, we 
do not have the option of closing or consolidating cemeteries 
or memorials. In light of this, we have increased our efforts 
to achieve greater efficiency and effectiveness through 
automation in the operational and financial management areas.
    In addition to our overseas mission, we have been mandated 
by the Congress to construct two memorials in Washington, DC.
    On July 27, 1995, President Clinton and President Kim Young 
Sam of the Republic of Korea dedicated the Korean War Veterans 
Memorial. Last month, on February 6, we opened the Korean War 
Veterans Memorial information kiosk. This kiosk houses the 
Korean war veterans honor role, which allows friends and 
relatives to query a data base containing the names and 
information about those who died during the Korean war. With 
the opening of the kiosk, the Korean War Veterans Memorial is 
now complete.
    In May 1993, Congress authorized the Commission to build a 
national World War II memorial. The Rainbow Pool site on The 
Mall was dedicated on November 11, 1995, by President Clinton. 
Since that time a national design competition for the memorial 
was held, with over 400 entries submitted. Six finalists were 
selected for the final stage of the competition. On January 17 
of this year, President Clinton announced the winner of the 
design competition.
    As directed by the Congress, the project will be funded 
through private contributions. The American Battle Monuments 
Commission is currently working with a presidentially appointed 
World War II Memorial advisory board to raise the funds for the 
memorial.
    Our greatest challenge, Mr. Chairman, for fiscal year 1998 
will be in dealing with aging facilities and equipment. Our 
memorial cemeteries range in age from approximately 50 to 80 
years, with the Mexico City cemetery being over 140 years old. 
The permanent structures and plantings which make our 
facilities among the most beautiful memorials in the world are 
aging and require prioritized funding to maintain them at 
current standards. Therefore, we are requesting $250,000 more 
in fiscal year 1998 for maintenance and minor construction.
    In addition, much of our equipment is aging and rapidly 
reaching the end of its useful life. In order to resolve this 
problem, we are requesting an additional $200,000 to fund our 
equipment repair and replacement program. We also have small 
increases of $200,000 for supplies, $300,000 to integrate our 
financial system in compliance with OMB, GAO, and recent 
congressional directions, and $214,000 for rental of office 
space previously provided at no cost.
    In summary, since 1923 the American Battle Monuments 
Commission's cemeteries and memorials have been held to a high 
standard in order to reflect America's continuing commitment to 
its honored war dead, their families, and the U.S. national 
interest.
    The Commission intends to continue to fulfill this sacred 
trust. Our appropriation request for fiscal year 1998 is 
$23,897,000.

                           PREPARED STATEMENT

    Mr. Chairman, this concludes my statement. I will be 
pleased to respond to your questions.
    [The statement follows:]
              Prepared Statement of Gen. John P. Herrling
    Mr. Chairman and Members of the Committee: Thank you for the 
opportunity to testify on our fiscal year 1998 Appropriation Request. 
The special nature of the American Battle Monuments Commission places 
it in a unique and highly responsible position with the American 
people. The manner in which we care for our Honored War Dead is, and 
should remain, a reflection of the high regard in which we, as a 
nation, honor their service and sacrifices.
    As you know, the American Battle Monuments Commission is a small, 
one-of-a-kind organization, that is responsible for commemorating the 
services of American Armed Forces where they have served since April 6, 
1917 (the date of U.S. entry into World War I) through the erection of 
suitable memorial shrines; for designing, constructing, operating, and 
maintaining permanent American military burial grounds in foreign 
countries; for controlling the design and construction of U.S. military 
monuments and markers in foreign countries by other U.S. citizens and 
organizations, both public and private; and for encouraging the 
maintenance of such monuments and markers by their sponsors. In 
performing these functions, the American Battle Monuments Commission 
administers, operates, and maintains twenty-four permanent memorial 
cemeteries and twenty-eight monuments, memorials, and markers in 
fifteen countries around the world.
    We have eight World War I and 14 World War II cemeteries located in 
Europe, the Mediterranean, North Africa, and the Philippines. All of 
these cemeteries are closed to burials except for the remains of the 
War Dead who may occasionally be discovered in World War I or World War 
II Battlefield areas. In addition, we are responsible for the American 
cemeteries in Mexico, established after the Mexican War, and Panama.
    Presently 124,914 U.S. War Dead are interred in these cemeteries--
30,921 of World War I, 93,243 of World War II and 750 of the Mexican 
War. Additionally, 5,857 American veterans and others are interred in 
the Mexico City and Corozal (Panama) American Cemeteries. Commemorated 
individually by name on stone tablets at the World War I and II 
cemeteries and three memorials on U.S. soil are the 94,120 U.S. service 
men and women who were Missing in Action, or lost or buried at sea in 
their general regions during the World Wars and the Korean and Vietnam 
Wars.
    We continue to provide services and information to the public, 
friends, and relatives of those interred in, or memorialized, at ABMC 
cemeteries and memorials. This includes information about grave and 
memorialization sites as well as location, suggested routes, and modes 
of travel to the cemeteries or memorials. Immediate family members are 
provided letters authorizing fee-free passports for overseas travel to 
specifically visit a loved one's grave or memorial site. Photographs of 
headstones and sections of the Tablets of the Missing on which the 
service person's name is engraved are also available. These photographs 
are mounted on large color lithographs of the cemeteries or memorials. 
In addition we assist those who wish to purchase floral decorations for 
placement at grave or memorial sites in our cemeteries. A photograph of 
the in-place floral arrangement is provided to the donor.
    The care of these shrines to our War Dead requires a formidable 
annual program of maintenance and repair of facilities, equipment, and 
grounds. This care includes upkeep of 131,000 graves and headstones; 73 
memorial structures; 41 quarters, utilities, and maintenance 
facilities; 67 miles of roads and paths; 911 acres of flowering plants, 
fine lawns and meadows; nearly 3,000,000 square feet of shrubs and 
hedges and over 11,000 ornamental trees. Care and maintenance of these 
resources is exceptionally labor intensive, therefore, personnel costs 
account for 72 percent of our budget for fiscal year 1998. The 
remaining 28 percent is required to fund our operations, including 
unprogramed requirements resulting from natural disasters or foreign 
currency fluctuations. We do not have the option of closing or 
consolidating cemeteries. In light of this, we have increased our 
efforts to achieve greater efficiency and effectiveness, through 
automation and contracting, in the operational and financial management 
areas, where we do have control.
    This Commission fully recognizes and supports the efforts of the 
President and the Congress to improve efficiency, focus on results, and 
streamline the government overall. During fiscal year 1996, we 
completed the upgrade to our automation system and offset telephone, 
fax, and mail costs while increasing productivity. We have contracted 
with the Department of Treasury's Financial Management Services Center 
to study our accounting system, provide alternatives and 
recommendations, and design a new system, if findings warrant. We 
anticipate these recommendations will be implemented during fiscal year 
1998. In addition, we have begun development of our Strategic and 
Annual Performance Plans in accordance with the Government Performance 
and Results Act. We believe, when finalized, our plans will provide a 
comprehensive roadmap for accomplishing our mission.
    On July 27, 1995, President Clinton and President Kim Young Sam 
dedicated the Korean War Veterans Memorial. On February 6, 1997, we 
opened the Korean War Memorial Kiosk. This Kiosk houses the Korean War 
Veterans Memorial Honor Roll. This Honor Roll allows friends and 
relatives to query a data base containing the names and information 
about those who died during the Korean War. With the opening of the 
Kiosk we are pleased to be able to report to you that the Korean War 
Veterans Memorial is now complete.
    Our focus for fiscal year 1998 and for the next several years will 
be the World War II Memorial. As you know, on May 25, 1993, President 
Clinton signed Public Law 103-32 directing the ABMC to build a World 
War II Memorial. The World War II Memorial Site at the Rainbow Pool was 
dedicated by President Clinton on November 11, 1995. Since that time, a 
national design competition was held with over 400 preliminary designs 
submitted for evaluation. Six finalists were selected and announced on 
August 21, 1996. Final designs were submitted to a design jury on 
October 25. Criteria included concept, past performance, specialized 
experience and technical competence, professional qualifications and 
the capacity to accomplish the work in the required time. The jury 
interviewed the finalists and made its recommendation to the Commission 
on October 31. The World War II Advisory Board met and provided its 
advice to the ABMC on November 18. ABMC Commissioners considered the 
advice and recommendations and selected the winning design team/concept 
on November 20. On January 17, 1997, at a White House Ceremony, 
President Clinton unveiled the winning design by Friedrich St. Florian, 
former Dean of the Rhode Island School of Design, and a current 
professor at the school. Teaming up with Professor St. Florian are 
George E. Hartman, Hartman-Cox Architects, and Oehme van Sweden & 
Associates, Inc., both of Washington D.C. Leo Daly will be the 
architect--engineer of record.
    As directed by the Congress, the $100 Million memorial will be 
funded through private donations after expending the $4.7 Million that 
Congress authorized from the surcharge proceeds of World War II 
Commemorative Coin sales and the $5 Million transferred from Department 
of Defense. The American Battle Monuments Commission is working closely 
with the World War II Memorial Advisory Board to raise the funds to 
meet the planned dedication on Veterans' Day in the year 2000.
    While our attention has been focused on management improvements and 
the design and construction of the World War II Memorial, we have not 
ignored our primary mission of operating and maintaining twenty-four 
memorial cemeteries and twenty-eight monuments. The Congress has been 
instrumental in our success in maintaining its high standard of 
excellence by providing the funds required to accomplish our 
objectives, and for that we thank you.
    Fiscal year 1998 will present new challenges. For the first time in 
nine years we have repriced our foreign currency budget rates. This 
repricing, with OMB support, conforms with the Department of Defense's 
budget rates for foreign currency. With this repricing, we estimate 
that we will require $2,097,000 to satisfy foreign currency fluctuation 
requirements. This amount has been included in our budget request. In 
addition the fiscal year 1998 request provides for cost of living 
increases for our U.S. and foreign national personnel, rental expenses 
for space previously provided at no cost, funding to integrate ABMC 
financial systems in accordance with OMB, GAO, and recent Congressional 
directions, and small increases for maintenance and equipment.
    Perhaps our greatest challenge will be in dealing with aging 
facilities and equipment. Our cemetery memorials range in age from 50 
to 80 years old with Mexico City being over 100 years old. The 
permanent structures and plantings which make our facilities among the 
most beautiful memorials in the world are aging and require increased 
funding to maintain them at the current standards. Our maintenance and 
engineering budget is stretched to the limit. Accordingly, we are 
prioritizing this spending carefully. In addition, much of our 
equipment is aging and rapidly reaching the end of its useful life. We 
have requested additional funding for equipment replacement this fiscal 
year and will be implementing phased replacement in order to take 
advantage of new labor saving technology.
    Since 1923, the American Battle Monuments Commission's memorials 
and cemeteries have been held to a high standard in order to reflect 
America's continuing commitment to its Honored War Dead, their 
families, and the U.S. national image. The Commission intends to 
continue to fulfill this sacred trust.
    The American Battle Monuments Commission appropriation request for 
fiscal year 1998 is $23,897,000.
    This concludes my prepared statement. I will be pleased to respond 
to your questions.

                     Additional committee questions

    Senator Bond. Thank you very much, General.
    [The following questions were not asked at the hearing, but 
were submitted to the Commission for response subsequent to the 
hearing:]
                 Question Submitted by Senator Stevens
             abmc special events and services to the public
    Question. Provide to each Committee Chairman a schedule of planned 
Memorial Day activities and other special events as well as information 
on public services provided by American Battle Monuments Commission 
(ABMC).
    Answer. As of 26 March 1976, ABMC provided the Chairman of each 
Senate and House Committee a listing of ABMC Special Events planned for 
1997 and a Fact Sheet on ABMC's mission and services which are provided 
to the public. These two documents are as follows:
  1997 memorial day and other events at abmc cemeteries and memorials
    The following is a list of Memorial Day, Veterans Day, D-Day 
Ceremonies, and other activities that are planned for 1997.
    Memorial Day.--Memorial Day programs are held at each ABMC 
Cemetery. Each grave site is decorated with the flag of the United 
States and that of the host country. Programs, usually including 
participation by the U.S. Ambassador to the host country, includes 
reading of the President's Memorial Day Proclamation, speakers, the 
presentation of the National Colors, wreath laying ceremonies, and 
military bands and units. The 1997 Memorial Day schedule for our 
cemeteries in Europe, Tunisia, Mexico City, Panama and Philippines, is 
as follows:

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             Cemetery                       Date               Time     
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AISNE-MARNE (France) \1\..........  SUNDAY 25 MAY.......        10:15 AM
ARDENNES (Belgium) \2\............  SATURDAY 24 MAY.....        10:00 AM
BRITTANY (France) \2\.............  SUNDAY 25 MAY.......         4:30 PM
BROOKWOOD (England) \1\...........  SUNDAY 18 MAY.......         3:00 PM
CAMBRIDGE (England) \2\...........  MONDAY 26 MAY.......        11:30 AM
COROZAL (Panama)..................  MONDAY 26 MAY.......         9:00 AM
EPINAL (France) \2\...............  SUNDAY 25 MAY.......         3:00 PM
FLANDERS FIELD (Belgium) \1\......  SUNDAY 25 MAY.......         3:00 PM
FLORENCE (Italy) \2\..............  MONDAY 26 MAY.......        11:00 AM
HENRI-CHAPELLE (Belgium) \2\......  SATURDAY 24 MAY.....         4:00 PM
LORRAINE (France) \2\.............  SUNDAY 25 MAY.......        11:00 AM
LUXEMBOURG (Luxembourg) \2\.......  To Be Announced.....  ..............
MANILA (Philippines) \2\..........  MONDAY 26 MAY.......         4:00 PM
MEXICO CITY (Mexico)..............  FRlDAY 30 MAY.......        12:00 PM
MEUSE-ARGONNE (France) \1\........  SUNDAY 25 MAY.......         3:00 PM
NETHERLANDS (The Netherlands) \2\.  SUNDAY 25 MAY.......         3:00 PM
NORMANDY (France) \2\.............  SUNDAY 25 MAY.......        10:30 AM
NORTH AFRICA (Tunisia) \2\........  SATURDAY 24 MAY.....        10:00 AM
OISE-AISNE (France) \1\...........  SUNDAY 25 MAY.......         4:00 PM
RHONE (France) \2\................  SUNDAY 25 MAY.......        10:00 AM
ST. MIHIEL (France) \1\...........  SUNDAY 25 MAY.......         4:00 PM
SICILY-ROME (Italy) \2\...........  MONDAY 26 MAY.......        11:00 AM
SOMME (France) \1\................  SUNDAY 25 MAY.......         3:00 PM
SURESNES (France) \1\.............  SUNDAY 25 MAY.......        2:30 PM 
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\1\ World War I American Cemeteries and Memorials.                      
\2\ World War II American Cemeteries and Memorials.                     

    D-Day Landing Ceremonies--6 June 1997.--A commemorative program is 
held each year at a site along the Landing Beaches. The program site is 
rotated between the British, French, and American Sectors. The 1997 
program will be held in the American Sector of operations on 6 June at 
the following locations:

                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
Bayeux....................................  9:30 AM Liberation Monument--
                                             Wreath Laying.             
Omaha Beach...............................  10:15 AM American cemetery--
                                             Religious Service.         
                                            11:00 AM D-Day Monument--   
                                             Wreath Laying.             
                                            11:15 AM National Guard     
                                             Monument--Wreath Laying.   
Point Du Hoc..............................  11:30 AM Wreath Laying.     
Saint-Mere-Eglise.........................  12:15 PM Wreath Laying.     
                                            12:45 PM Official Banquet.  
Utah Beach................................  3:00 PM Leclerc Monument--  
                                             Wreath Laying.             
                                            3:30 PM Monument of 4th     
                                             Division Wreath Laying.    
                                             National Ceremony-American 
                                             Federal Monument: Raising 8
                                             National Colors; Official  
                                             Speeches; Wreath Laying    
                                             Ceremony; Military Parade. 
                                                                        

    Veterans Day.--Annual ceremonies are held at some of the cemeteries 
on Veterans Day, which coincides with the French holiday commemorating 
the end of World War I. Local community programs frequently include 
commemorative events at some of our cemeteries. The location and 
magnitude of the programs vary in location and size. We will provide 
dates and times for Veterans Day celebrations at a later date.
    Other Ceremonial Occasions.--Members of Congress, officials of the 
Executive Branch, high ranking diplomatic and senior representatives of 
the respective host nations and allied powers, personnel from NATO/
SHAPE, as well as, veterans' remembrance, educational and even local 
patriotic groups frequently visit our cemeteries and memorials. These 
visits include small wreath laying ceremonies and community sponsored 
receptions to honor those Americans who fought in and liberated a 
particular town or region.
    Special Events.--Our Cemetery Superintendents serve as ambassadors 
of goodwill in the country where they are stationed. They frequently 
represent the United States at ceremonies and other community based 
programs. These include ceremonies commemorating the liberation of 
towns and villages by U.S. troops, events that honor the survivors of 
Nazi concentration camps and visits by American veterans' remembrance 
groups.

                  AMERICAN BATTLE MONUMENTS COMMISSION

Mission
    The American Battle Monuments Commission (ABMC) is a small 
independent agency of the Executive Branch established by Congress on 
March 4, 1923 (36 U.S.C. 121-128c).
    The principal mission of the agency is to commemorate the 
sacrifices and achievements of the United States Armed Forces, where 
they have served, since April 6, 1917, the date of U.S. entry into 
World War I. This is accomplished by:
    Designing, constructing, administrating, and maintaining cemetery 
and memorial structures outside the United States. ABMC currently has 
responsibilities for 24 permanent United States memorial cemeteries, 
and 27 memorial monuments and markers.
    Controlling the design and construction of U.S. Military memorials, 
monuments, and markers on foreign soil which are sponsored by U.S. 
citizens or U.S. public or private organizations, and encouraging these 
organizations to adequately maintain them.
    Establishing memorials in the United States, when legislated by the 
Congress, and outside the United States, where U.S. forces have served, 
as the Commission determines.
  --Congress directed ABMC to establish the Korean War Veterans 
        Memorial on the Mall in Washington, DC. This Memorial was 
        completed and dedicated in July 1995 and is now administered by 
        the National Park Service.
  --Public Law 103-94, signed by President Clinton on May 25, 1993, 
        authorizes ABMC to design, erect and conduct fund raising for 
        the national World War II Memorial that is to be sited on the 
        Mall in Washington, DC. This national monument will memorialize 
        the generation of Americans whose spirit, sacrifice, and unity 
        reflect the values that have made our nation strong. This 
        Memorial will also pay tribute to the many Americans who served 
        in the Armed Forces and to all those who joined the war effort 
        on the home front. The Commission's goal is to dedicate the 
        Memorial on Veterans Day 2000. Former Senator Robert Dole, a 
        World War II veteran, is now serving as Co-Chairman of the 
        World War II Memorial fund raising effort.
Services Available to the Public
    General information concerning name and location of cemetery and 
memorial sites.
    Specific information on grave and memorialization sites of War 
Dead.
    General information about travel to the military shrines 
administered by the Commission, including best routes, modes of travel, 
available accommodations, and information about historical events which 
took place in the battlefield areas in the region of the cemetery 
memorials.
    Authorization to immediate family members for issuance of fee free 
U.S. passports when visiting burial or memorialization sites of loved 
ones.
    Escort of family members to appropriate grave and memorialization 
sites when visiting cemetery memorials.
    Photographs of grave and memorialization sites, along with large 
color lithographs of the cemetery memorials.
    Assistance in placing floral decorations at grave and 
memorialization sites using funds provided by the donor.
    Maintenance of the Honor Roll database of the Korean War Veterans 
Memorial on the National Mall in Washington, DC. The Honor Roll 
commemorates those members of the United States military who died 
world-wide during the Korean War. Honor Roll Certificates may be 
obtained at the kiosk located at the Memorial or from ABMC's Washington 
office.
                                 ______
                                 
                 Question Submitted by Senator Mikulski
    Question. Provide a plan to work through the current backlog of 
engineering projects and identify a schedule which might allow American 
Battle Monuments Commission to ``buy out'' of this backlog dilemma.
    Answer. A copy of the current Master Priority Listing for all 
identified engineering projects follows below.
    There are 550 projects with a total estimated cost of slightly over 
$10 million. With considerable attention to detail, this master list 
has been carefully reviewed, revised, updated, and prioritized over the 
course of the past nine months. Accordingly, our fiscal year 1997, 
fiscal year 1998, and outyear engineering plans and programs are now 
based on this newly developed master priority list.
    Presently, ABMC hopes to apply $2M to engineering projects in 
fiscal year 1997. At this time, our President's Budget Request has 
$2.2M programmed for engineer projects in fiscal year 1998. If we do 
not experience unanticipated foreign currency fluctuations, any 
significant natural disasters, or unexpected utility or plant failures, 
we project our backlog will be reduced to $6M by the end of fiscal year 
1998. Additionally, we estimate that $700,000 in new projects must be 
added to the master list each year. Consequently, if we are able to 
continue to apply $2M annually toward engineer projects every year, it 
could still take an additional five years (fiscal year 1999 through 
fiscal year 2003) to eliminate the backlog. In order to support the 
current high standards of maintenance and repair of our facilities, 
plus improve our position with respect to energy conservation, 
productivity, and efficiency, the Commission could effectively apply up 
to an additional $1M per year above the President's Budget, for 
engineer project backlog reductions. This would allow ABMC to make a 
major reduction prior to fiscal year 2001.

           ABMC ENGINEERING BACKLOG AT START FISCAL YEAR 1997           
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                                                     Object   Estimated 
            Cemetery                   Project        class      cost   
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Meuse Argonne..................  Anchor Loose            25       $2,000
                                  Stones at Church                      
                                  Ruins at                              
                                  Montfaucon.                           
North Africa...................  Repair of Interior      32       30,000
                                  Court Cornice.                        
Aisne Marne....................  Install Automatic       25        1,000
                                  Chlorinator for                       
                                  Potable Water.                        
Rhone..........................  Install electrical/     32        3,000
                                  heating System,                       
                                  Visitor Center.                       
Aisne Marne....................  Drill New Deep          25      250,000
                                  Well.                                 
Manila.........................  Repair Hemicycle        32      100,000
                                  Roof.                                 
Rhone..........................  Replacement of          25        5,800
                                  Fuel Tank                             
                                  Visitors/Office                       
                                  Building.                             
Aisne Marne....................  Install Water           25        1,500
                                  Softener.                             
Sicily-Rome....................  Drill New Well 30       32        6,800
                                  mt. Install                           
                                  Pumping System.                       
Meuse Argonne..................  Replace 3 ea Fuel       25       50,000
                                  Tanks, and 1 ea                       
                                  gas tank.                             
Sicily-Rome....................  Raise and expand        25        2,018
                                  irrigation parts                      
                                  store room.                           
Normandy.......................  Replace 1 ea gas        25       11,000
                                  tank.                                 
Manila.........................  Repair Water            32       30,000
                                  Purification                          
                                  System (Potable).                     
Sicily-Rome....................  Improve Drainage        32        3,000
                                  to Soutwest                           
                                  corner of center                      
                                  mall.                                 
Netherlands....................  Replace One             25        8,000
                                  Gasoline Tank.                        
North Africa...................  Replace curbstones      25        3,000
                                  along Burial area.                    
Ardennes.......................  Install Heavy           25          750
                                  Security Door on                      
                                  Side of Garage.                       
Florence.......................  Gradual                 25        4,000
                                  replacement of                        
                                  boundary hedges                       
                                  (North ent).                          
Oise-Aisne.....................  Construct Weir on       25        1,000
                                  Stream.                               
Mexico City....................  Replace Water           25        1,000
                                  Tanks.                                
Florence.......................  Replace fire thorn      25        4,000
                                  hedge both                            
                                  entrance drives.                      
Flanders Field.................  Renovate Oudenarde      25        8,000
                                  Monument.                             
North Africa...................  Replacement of          25        5,750
                                  Thuya Hedges.                         
Ardennes.......................  Sandblast, Repair       25        5,000
                                  and Repaint                           
                                  Compost Shed.                         
Florence.......................  Replace old Tar         25        3,000
                                  Paper, Reservoir                      
                                  Roof.                                 
Cambridge......................  Repair Stone Steps      25       15,000
                                  at Flag Pole Base.                    
Corozal........................  Improve Drainage        32       47,000
                                  System.                               
Florence.......................  Install water pump      25        3,000
                                  to increase                           
                                  pressure.                             
Oise-Aisne.....................  Replace Gutters on      25        8,000
                                  Garage/Storage                        
                                  Bldg in Service.                      
Florence.......................  Replace 50 old          25        4,500
                                  Model Sprinklers,                     
                                  Burial Area.                          
Epinal.........................  Install Lightning       25        1,000
                                  Protection for                        
                                  Sprinkler System.                     
Sicily-Rome....................  Replace 50 old          25        4,500
                                  Model Sprinklers,                     
                                  Burial Area.                          
Epinal.........................  Improve Security        25        2,000
                                  Measures of                           
                                  Service Area.                         
Mexico City....................  Replace Four Doors      25        2,000
North Africa...................  Maintenance of          25        1,000
                                  Flagpole,                             
                                  Travertine                            
                                  Drainage Grill.                       
Cambridge......................  Repoint Steps           25        1,000
                                  around Flagpole.                      
Florence.......................  Install water           25        3,800
                                  filter in both                        
                                  quarters.                             
Aisne Marne....................  Repaint Exterior        25          500
                                  Dormer Window                         
                                  Frame, Visitors                       
                                  Bldg.                                 
Manila.........................  Repair Asst             25        5,700
                                  Superintendent's                      
                                  Roof.                                 
Henri Chapelle.................  Repair Leak Around      25          500
                                  Dormer in Supt's                      
                                  Qtrs.                                 
Florence.......................  Replace walkpaths       25        3,500
                                  cotto tiles, of                       
                                  both quarters.                        
Lorraine.......................  Refurbish               25       25,000
                                  Biological Filter.                    
Cambridge......................  Install handrail        25        2,000
                                  on steps plots E-                     
                                  F.                                    
Sicily-Rome....................  Resurfacing of          25        2,000
                                  Spillway Canal,                       
                                  Tinozzi Ditch.                        
Somme..........................  Repair Hinges on        25        5,000
                                  Chapel Doors.                         
Manila.........................  Caulk Joints of         32       15,000
                                  Western Hemicycle.                    
Brookwood......................  Replace Gutters on      25        1,600
                                  Superintendent's                      
                                  Quarters.                             
North Africa...................  Replace Deep Well       25        3,000
                                  Pump.                                 
Meuse Argonne..................  Relocate Compost        25       30,000
                                  Shed.                                 
Ardennes.......................  Replace Ladder in       25        1,000
                                  Reservoir.                            
Sicily-Rome....................  Maintain Facings,       25        2,100
                                  roofs of all svc                      
                                  area buildings.                       
Meuse Argonne..................  Build External          32       50,000
                                  Water Reservoir                       
                                  (Lake).                               
Garches........................  Construct               25          534
                                  Insulating                            
                                  Skylight.                             
Lorraine.......................  Replace Sewage          25        1,000
                                  Pump Asst Supt                        
                                  Qtrs.                                 
Lorraine.......................  Replace                 25          444
                                  Circulation Pump,                     
                                  New Service Bldg.                     
Netherlands....................  Repair Roof of          25        1,633
                                  Transformer Bldg.                     
Normandy.......................  Replace Water           25          899
                                  Heater, Supt's                        
                                  Qtrs.                                 
Ardennes.......................  Replace Drainage        25          285
                                  Pipe Asst Supt                        
                                  Qtrs.                                 
Meuse Argonne..................  Replace Sprinkler       32      350,000
                                  System.                               
Netherlands....................  Construct Oil-          25       20,000
                                  Water Separator                       
                                  at Wash Point.                        
North Africa...................  Replacement of          32       25,000
                                  Border Stone                          
                                  Terrace.                              
Normandy.......................  Modify Low Voltage      25        6,000
                                  Electrical Panel                      
                                  in Pump House.                        
Luxembourg.....................  Repair Asst Supt's      25       10,000
                                  Driveway.                             
Florence.......................  Renovation of           32       25,000
                                  Memorial Toilets                      
                                  W/Handicapped Fct.                    
Brittany.......................  Paint Flag Poles..      25        3,000
Manila.........................  Replace 3               32       47,000
                                  Transformers and                      
                                  Upgrade Sub-                          
                                  station.                              
Flanders Field.................  Repoint Base of         25        5,000
                                  Chapel Memorial.                      
Rhone..........................  Enclose section of      32        8,000
                                  Compost Shed.                         
Brookwood......................  Repair Chapel           25       15,000
                                  Decorative Grills.                    
Meuse Argonne..................  Renovate Water          25       40,000
                                  Reservoir.                            
Rhone..........................  Replace heating         32        8,000
                                  system in                             
                                  Government                            
                                  quarters.                             
Aisne Marne....................  Install all             32       30,000
                                  Utilities at                          
                                  Chateau Thierry                       
                                  Monument.                             
Manila.........................  Upgrade Electrical      32       30,300
                                  Panel (Pumphouse).                    
Cambridge......................  Repair Cracks in        25        5,000
                                  Supt's Qtrs.                          
Sicily-Rome....................  Renovation of           32       24,000
                                  Visitors Toilets                      
                                  to include                            
                                  handicap.                             
Normandy.......................  Construct Path Way      25        2,100
                                  to Debris                             
                                  Disposal Area.                        
Brookwood......................  Improve Drainage        25        5,000
                                  Around Chapel.                        
North Africa...................  Install Kitchen         25        1,000
                                  Stovetop Exhaust                      
                                  Vents, Both Qtrs.                     
Brittany.......................  Renovate Public         25       10,000
                                  Toilets.                              
Manila.........................  Install Automatic       32       75,000
                                  Sprinkler System                      
                                  (Phase I).                            
Somme..........................  Repair                  25        5,000
                                  Inscriptions at                       
                                  Bellicourt                            
                                  Monument.                             
Florence.......................  Closing of Compost      32        6,000
                                  Pit For Needed                        
                                  Storage Area.                         
Flanders Field.................  Replace Flagpole        25        7,000
                                  Terrace.                              
Florence.......................  Replace 50 old          25        5,000
                                  Model Sprinklers,                     
                                  Burial Area.                          
Luxembourg.....................  Construct Ramp          25        1,750
                                  Between Memorial                      
                                  & Plots.                              
Corozal........................  Secure Fence Line.      25        3,600
Aisne Marne....................  Neutralize/Repair       25        7,500
                                  Exposed Rebar at                      
                                  Chateau Thierry.                      
Sicily-Rome....................  Closing of Compost      32        6,000
                                  Pit for Needed                        
                                  Storage Area.                         
Flanders Field.................  Check Lightning         25        1,500
                                  Protection System                     
                                  on Chapel.                            
Henri Chapelle.................  Renovate & Clean        25       10,000
                                  Colonnades                            
                                  Ceiling.                              
Sicily-Rome....................  Replace 50 old          25        5,000
                                  Model Sprinklers,                     
                                  Burial Area.                          
Lorraine.......................  Reconstruct             25      120,000
                                  Memorial Stairway.                    
Corozal........................  Replace Roof,           25        5,000
                                  Superintendent's                      
                                  Qtrs.                                 
Aisne Marne....................  Install Oil-Water       25        2,000
                                  Separator at Svc                      
                                  Area Washrack.                        
North Africa...................  Renovation of           32       10,000
                                  Visitors Toilets                      
                                  to include                            
                                  handicap.                             
Cambridge......................  Treatment of Wood       25        2,500
                                  and Stone Work in                     
                                  Chapel.                               
Henri Chapelle.................  Clean and Repair        25       60,000
                                  Mosaic Stars in                       
                                  Colonnade Ceiling.                    
Rhone..........................  Handicapped toilet      32       35,000
                                  building (unisex                      
                                  facility).                            
Brittany.......................  Improve lightning       25        5,000
                                  arrestors at                          
                                  Brest Monument.                       
Mexico City....................  Replace Roof on         25        1,500
                                  Service Building.                     
Somme..........................  Improve                 25          500
                                  Ventilation in                        
                                  Garage Work Shop.                     
Florence.......................  Renovate Toilets,       32        8,000
                                  Visitors/Office                       
                                  Building.                             
Oise-Aisne.....................  Paint Exterior of       25        3,000
                                  Garage/Storage                        
                                  Bldg in Svc Area.                     
Flanders Field.................  Install Electric        25        1,500
                                  Heater in Chapel.                     
Rhone..........................  New Road Signs          32       19,000
                                  Installation.                         
Oise-Aisne.....................  Paint Exterior of       25        5,000
                                  Visitors/Quarters                     
                                  Building.                             
Corozal........................  Install Deep Well       32       60,000
                                  & Reservoir.                          
Aisne Marne....................  Rebuild entrance        25       50,000
                                  area and Walkways                     
                                  to Bldgs.                             
Sicily-Rome....................  Refurbish               25        8,900
                                  Ligustrum hedges,                     
                                  Bare Spots, w/New                     
                                  Plan.                                 
Cambridge......................  Replace Damaged         25        2,000
                                  Stones on Court                       
                                  of Honor.                             
Brittany.......................  Install Filters         25        1,500
                                  for Tours                             
                                  Monument.                             
Sicily-Rome....................  Renovation              25        8,700
                                  Pittosporum                           
                                  Hedgerow                              
                                  Surrounding                           
                                  Center.                               
Oise-Aisne.....................  Replace Gutters on      25        5,500
                                  Visitors/Quarters                     
                                  Building.                             
Mexico City....................  Replace Roof            25        1,000
                                  Garage Area.                          
Brittany.......................  Install                 25        5,000
                                  information panel                     
                                  at Tours Monument.                    
Rhone..........................  Remodelling of          25        4,000
                                  Service Bldg                          
                                  Shower/Toilet                         
                                  Facility.                             
Meuse Argonne..................  Replace Roofs on        25       90,000
                                  Garage Buildings.                     
Brittany.......................  Install                 25        5,000
                                  Information Panel                     
                                  at Brest Monument.                    
North Africa...................  Repair sinking          25        5,000
                                  curbstone in                          
                                  front of Office                       
                                  area.                                 
Brookwood......................  Relevel Walkways &      25       50,000
                                  Headstone beams.                      
Manila.........................  Upgrade Asst            25        5,000
                                  Superintendent's                      
                                  Master Bath.                          
Flanders Field.................  Repair Walkway at       25        1,000
                                  Oudenarde                             
                                  Monument at Plane                     
                                  Tree.                                 
Sicily-Rome....................  Replacement of          25        2,000
                                  office/visitors                       
                                  building doors.                       
Garches........................  Replace Carpeting       25        4,000
                                  in Reception Area.                    
Lorraine.......................  Build Handicap          32       15,000
                                  Toilet Facilities.                    
Sicily-Rome....................  Replace Rain            25        2,500
                                  Gutters & Down                        
                                  Spouts Garage/Svc                     
                                  Area.                                 
Lorraine.......................  Install New             25      200,000
                                  Filtration System.                    
Manila.........................  Paint Motor Pool        25        4,000
                                  Buildings.                            
Meuse Argonne..................  Replace Lion's          25        1,500
                                  Head at Pool.                         
Florence.......................  Replace Rain            25        2,000
                                  Gutters & Down                        
                                  Spouts Garage/Svc                     
                                  Area.                                 
Netherlands....................  Connect Qtrs to         25       20,000
                                  City Sewer.                           
Garches........................  Re-waterproof           25       10,000
                                  Director's Office                     
                                  Roof.                                 
Lorraine.......................  Refurbish Memorial      25       35,000
                                  Bronze Window                         
                                  Frame.                                
Meuse Argonne..................  Repaint Flagpoles.      25        4,000
Lorraine.......................  Clean and Treat         25      100,000
                                  (Water-resistant)                     
                                  Memorial.                             
Netherlands....................  Replace Sprinkler       32      300,000
                                  System and                            
                                  Renovate Pump                         
                                  Room.                                 
Florence.......................  Drilling of a new       32       40,000
                                  artesian deep                         
                                  well.                                 
Luxembourg.....................  Replace sprinkler,      32      220,000
                                  renovate pumproom.                    
Luxembourg.....................  Install Security        25        8,300
                                  Doors on Compost                      
                                  Shed.                                 
Somme..........................  Replace sprinkler,      32      180,000
                                  renovate pumproom.                    
Somme..........................  Repair Water            25        1,000
                                  Softener.                             
Ardennes.......................  Replace Sprinkler       32      200,000
                                  System, renovate                      
                                  pumproom.                             
Normandy.......................  Install                 32        5,000
                                  Information Panel                     
                                  at Pointe du Hoc.                     
Saint Mihiel...................  Replace sprinkler,      32      200,000
                                  renovate pumproom.                    
Rhone..........................  Install Drainage        25        8,000
                                  line in Lower                         
                                  Grave Plots area.                     
Henri Chapelle.................  Replace Sprinkler       32      230,000
                                  System and                            
                                  Renovate Pump                         
                                  Room.                                 
Henri Chapelle.................  Replace Kitchen         25       23,000
                                  Cabinets, Both                        
                                  Quarters.                             
Meuse Argonne..................  Construct an Oil-       25        2,000
                                  Water Separator                       
                                  at Wash Rack.                         
Oise Aisne.....................  Replace Storage         25       40,000
                                  Bldg & Apron.                         
Manila.........................  Water Purification      32      170,000
                                  System                                
                                  (Irrigation).                         
Aisne Marne....................  Replace Roof on         25       15,000
                                  Compost Shed.                         
Aisne Marne....................  Treat Wood Frame        25        5,000
                                  of Compost Shed.                      
Henri Chapelle.................  Repair Roof of          25        1,000
                                  Transformer Bldg.                     
North Africa...................  Renovation of           32       10,000
                                  Visitors Toilets                      
                                  to include                            
                                  handicap.                             
Meuse Argonne..................  Reset Coping            25        3,000
                                  Stones on                             
                                  Memorial                              
                                  Retaining Wall.                       
Aisne Marne....................  Repaint Flagpoles.      25        3,000
Luxembourg.....................  Replace Rusted          25        2,500
                                  Stained Glass                         
                                  Window Hinges,                        
                                  Chapel.                               
Sicily-Rome....................  Replace Bedroom/        25        6,000
                                  living room                           
                                  ceiling Supt's                        
                                  Qtrs.                                 
Lorraine.......................  Repaint Memorial        25        3,000
                                  Ceiling.                              
Somme..........................  Repair Dry Rotted       25        7,000
                                  Doors, Mechanical                     
                                  Shop & Garage.                        
Saint Mihiel...................  Inspect deep well       25       10,000
                                  (100 meters                           
                                  depth).                               
Manila.........................  Refinish Pea            25        6,000
                                  Gravel Base                           
                                  Overlay--Cabanatu                     
                                  an.                                   
Henri Chapelle.................  Renovate water          25       70,000
                                  reservoir.                            
Ardennes.......................  Construct Public        32       15,000
                                  Handicapped                           
                                  Toilet.                               
Cambridge......................  Install Handicap        32       10,000
                                  Toilets.                              
North Africa...................  Extension of            32       11,500
                                  Sprinkling System                     
                                  To Semi-Circular                      
                                  Dr.                                   
Henri Chapelle.................  Reconstruct Public      25       45,000
                                  Toilets/install                       
                                  handicap facil.                       
Aisne Marne....................  Build Public            25       30,000
                                  Toilets (include                      
                                  handicap toilets).                    
Luxembourg.....................  Replace Furnace,        25        8,000
                                  Garage Bldg.                          
Rhone..........................  Repaint Exterior        25        8,000
                                  of Service Area                       
                                  Bldg & Qtrs.                          
Luxembourg.....................  Replace 2 ea fuel       25       12,000
                                  tanks (both Qtrs).                    
Oise Aisne.....................  Replace 1 ea fuel       25       25,000
                                  tank (VB/Qtrs), 1                     
                                  ea Gasoline Ta.                       
Saint Mihiel...................  Replace 2 ea Fuel       25       20,000
                                  tanks, 1 ea Gas                       
                                  Tank.                                 
Manila.........................  Construct an Oil        32        4,000
                                  Storage Building.                     
Aisne Marne....................  Replace 2 ea            25       15,000
                                  (Visitors Bldg/                       
                                  Qtrs) fuel tanks.                     
Henri Chapelle.................  Replace 4 ea Fuel       25       30,000
                                  Tanks.                                
Ardennes.......................  Replace 4 ea Fuel       25       36,000
                                  Tanks & 1 ea Gas                      
                                  Tank.                                 
Sicily-Rome....................  Renovation and          32        3,500
                                  modification of                       
                                  Pump House roof.                      
Brittany.......................  Replace 4 ea Fuel       25       36,000
                                  Tanks & 1 ea Gas                      
                                  Tank.                                 
Flanders Field.................  Replace heating         25        4,000
                                  system--nursery.                      
Henri Chapelle.................  Rewire Buildings        25       30,000
                                  vic Collonades.                       
Sicily-Rome....................  Install auto            32        2,000
                                  irrigation system                     
                                  front of                              
                                  res'vation.                           
Aisne Marne....................  Check Lightning         25          500
                                  Arrestor System                       
                                  at Memorial.                          
Flanders Field.................  Insulate Qtrs           25          500
                                  Attic.                                
Cambridge......................  Renovate Toilets        25        5,000
                                  in Visitors Bldg.                     
Corozal........................  Upgrade Sprinkler       32        3,000
                                  System.                               
Epinal.........................  Install Road Signs      25        1,000
Normandy.......................  Extend Sprinkler        25        2,000
                                  System to Nursery                     
                                  Area.                                 
Saint Mihiel...................  Remove electric         25        1,000
                                  cable and fuel                        
                                  tank pipes at                         
                                  Qtrs.                                 
Florence.......................  Rent platform to        25        3,000
                                  paint Flagpole &                      
                                  clean Pylon.                          
Aisne Marne....................  Replace Heating in      25       15,000
                                  Garage &                              
                                  Refectory (Svc                        
                                  Area).                                
Flanders Field.................  Restructure             32      110,000
                                  Service Area.                         
Oise Aisne.....................  Repaint Entrance        25          500
                                  Gates.                                
Sicily-Rome....................  Extension of            32        2,500
                                  boiler room                           
                                  entrance Asst                         
                                  Supt Qtrs.                            
Suresnes.......................  Repair Perimeter        25       12,000
                                  Fence (5th and                        
                                  6th phases).                          
Somme..........................  Reset Stone on          25        1,500
                                  South-West Chapel                     
                                  Gate.                                 
Henri Chapelle.................  Replace High Volt.      25       20,000
                                  Transformer and                       
                                  Change Amperage.                      
Corozal........................  Replace Roof,           25        5,000
                                  Chapel.                               
Somme..........................  Paint the               25        1,000
                                  Lettering on                          
                                  Entrance Wall &                       
                                  Chapel.                               
Flanders Field.................  Replace 3 ea Fuel       25       20,000
                                  Tanks.                                
Henri Chapelle.................  Inspect deep well       25       10,000
                                  (100 meters                           
                                  depth).                               
Sicily-Rome....................  Install Security        25        5,650
                                  Grilles, Supt's                       
                                  Qtrs.                                 
Suresnes.......................  Repaint iron work       25        6,000
                                  on Fence (5th and                     
                                  6th phases).                          
Epinal.........................  Replace Roof Tiles      25       45,000
                                  on All Service                        
                                  Bldgs.                                
Saint Mihiel...................  Repoint Stairs and      25        2,000
                                  Walls at Montsec                      
                                  Monument.                             
Sicily-Rome....................  Replace entrance        32        5,000
                                  doors both                            
                                  residences.                           
Henri Chapelle.................  Construct               32      100,000
                                  Visitor's Room                        
                                  and Office.                           
Ardennes.......................  Replace Window          25          500
                                  (Insulating) in                       
                                  Workers Refectory.                    
Netherlands....................  Engrave MIA name        25        6,750
                                  (J. Howell) on                        
                                  Wall of Missing.                      
Manila.........................  Upgrade Canteen         25        5,000
                                  (Replace Roof &                       
                                  Ceiling).                             
Meuse Argonne..................  Improve Crew            25        2,000
                                  Latrines/                             
                                  Lunchroom in                          
                                  Service Area.                         
Epinal.........................  Improve Heating in      25        5,000
                                  Service Area.                         
Luxembourg.....................  Restructure Staff       25        4,000
                                  Area in Service                       
                                  Area.                                 
Sicily-Rome....................  Install Security        25        5,000
                                  Grilles, Asst.                        
                                  Supt's Qtrs.                          
Somme..........................  Install                 25          500
                                  Thermostatic                          
                                  Valves on Pump                        
                                  Room Radiators.                       
Meuse Argonne..................  Install Chemical        25       10,000
                                  Toilets at                            
                                  Sommepy Mounument.                    
Netherlands....................  Replace Calcified       25        6,000
                                  Water Lines in                        
                                  Qtrs.                                 
Sicily-Rome....................  Extension of the        32       12,000
                                  Cemetery Office,                      
                                  renovation of WC.                     
Meuse Argonne..................  Install all             32       50,000
                                  utilities at                          
                                  Sommepy Monument.                     
Somme..........................  Repaint Map at          25          500
                                  Bellicourt                            
                                  Monument.                             
Epinal.........................  Resurface Roof of       25       15,000
                                  Pump House.                           
Manila.........................  Upgrade                 25        5,000
                                  Superintendent's                      
                                  Guest Bath.                           
Brittany.......................  Clean Tours             25          250
                                  Monument.                             
Brittany.......................  Reset Stones at         25       50,000
                                  Entrance Gate.                        
Brookwood......................  Construct Toilet        32       40,000
                                  Facilities/                           
                                  Enlarge Office &                      
                                  Break.                                
Sicily-Rome....................  Convert two doors       25        1,700
                                  into windows,                         
                                  Asst Supt Qtrs.                       
Ardennes.......................  Replace Furnace in      25        5,000
                                  Service Bldg.                         
Ardennes.......................  Modify Fire             25       10,000
                                  Hydrant System/                       
                                  Sep From                              
                                  Sprinkler Sys.                        
Normandy.......................  Install Heating         32        9,000
                                  System in #2 Work                     
                                  Shop.                                 
Rhone..........................  Enclosing of            32        1,000
                                  Garage Annex.                         
Suresnes.......................  Extend Office.....      32       75,000
Suresnes.......................  Install Curtain         32        3,000
                                  Rods & Curtains                       
                                  in Qtrs.                              
Suresnes.......................  Replace Curtains        32        2,000
                                  and Drapes in                         
                                  Visitors Bldg.                        
Manila.........................  Repave Roads            32      120,000
                                  (Phase I).                            
Suresnes.......................  Repair/Repaint          25       50,000
                                  West Perimeter                        
                                  Fence (Behind                         
                                  Cem.).                                
Normandy.......................  Replace Expansion       25        1,000
                                  Joints in                             
                                  Reflecting Pool.                      
Saint Mihiel...................  Replace Roof of         25        1,500
                                  Green House.                          
Florence.......................  Replace Roses,          25        4,000
                                  Office/Visitors                       
                                  Bldg/Flagpole                         
                                  Area.                                 
Cambridge......................  Insulate Attic in       25        3,000
                                  Both Quarters.                        
Aisne Marne....................  Repaint Reservoir       25          500
                                  Roof.                                 
Flanders Field.................  Replace Zinc            25          500
                                  Flashing on Edge                      
                                  Visitor's Bldg                        
                                  Roof.                                 
North Africa...................  Replace Air             25        6,000
                                  Conditioner                           
                                  Units, Dual                           
                                  System (7 ea).                        
Aisne Marne....................  Repair Leaks in         25        5,000
                                  Structure                             
                                  Drainage System,                      
                                  Chapel.                               
Lorraine.......................  Repair Gutters on       25        1,000
                                  Compost Shed.                         
Henri Chapelle.................  Replace roof tiles      25        3,000
                                  on Service                            
                                  Building.                             
Corozal........................  Replace Roof,           25        4,000
                                  Public Rest Rooms.                    
Lorraine.......................  Replace Gutters,        25       15,000
                                  Downspouts and                        
                                  Zinc Flashing.                        
Oise Aisne.....................  Install Wall            25          500
                                  Insulation In                         
                                  Attic Next to                         
                                  Master BR.                            
Oise Aisne.....................  Refinish Entrance       25          500
                                  Floors in                             
                                  Quarters.                             
Rhone..........................  Replace of Five         32        3,000
                                  Window Shutters,                      
                                  Supt's Qtrs.                          
Epinal.........................  Repaint Interior        25        1,500
                                  of Supt's Qtrs.                       
Brittany.......................  Install Burglar         25        5,000
                                  Alarms in Both                        
                                  Qtrs.                                 
Somme..........................  Install Security        25        1,500
                                  Railing in Qtrs                       
                                  Attic.                                
Florence.......................  Replace Cemetery        25        1,600
                                  Wooden Benches.                       
Meuse Argonne..................  Modify Lightning        25        9,000
                                  Arrestors at                          
                                  Sommepy Monument.                     
Henri Chapelle.................  Repaint Reservoir       25        2,000
                                  Domes.                                
Ardennes.......................  Install Security        32        8,000
                                  Alarms.                               
Corozal........................  Replace Electrical      25       15,000
                                  System, Chapel.                       
Ardennes.......................  Water Proof Pump        32        2,000
                                  House Ceiling.                        
Normandy.......................  Install Security        32        6,500
                                  System in Service                     
                                  Area.                                 
Oise-Aisne.....................  Repair Memorial         25        5,000
                                  Roof to Stop                          
                                  Water                                 
                                  Infiltration.                         
Sicily-Rome....................  Put Aggregate           32       11,000
                                  Stone Tiles North                     
                                  Garden.                               
Normandy.......................  Install Window          25        2,000
                                  Security Bars in                      
                                  Service Area.                         
Normandy.......................  Replace                 25        8,000
                                  Orientation Table                     
                                  Security Railing.                     
Brittany.......................  Install Rolling         25       11,000
                                  Shutters and                          
                                  Screens at Both                       
                                  Qtrs.                                 
Florence.......................  Lower, & Level          25       37,000
                                  Turf Below Height                     
                                  of Cross 1st Pha.                     
Aisne Marne....................  Renovate                25        2,800
                                  Electrical Wiring                     
                                  in Compost Shed.                      
Henri Chapelle.................  Insulate Storage        25        7,000
                                  Room/Install                          
                                  Radiator (Svc.                        
                                  Area).                                
Ardennes.......................  Replace Two             25       15,000
                                  Rolling Doors and                     
                                  Enclose Staircase.                    
Manila.........................  Replace Handrails       32       12,300
                                  to Memorial                           
                                  Public Restrooms.                     
Suresnes.......................  Replace Service         25          500
                                  Building Locking                      
                                  System.                               
Cambridge......................  Transform Long-         25       15,000
                                  Step Stairway.                        
Saint Mihiel...................  Replace Heating         25        1,500
                                  Pipes in Boiler                       
                                  Room.                                 
Sicily-Rome....................  Place Aggregate         32        2,000
                                  Stone Tiles                           
                                  Memorial Toilet.                      
Normandy.......................  Reforest                32       10,000
                                  Peripheral Areas                      
                                  (Replace Black                        
                                  Pines).                               
Brittany.......................  Construct Handicap      32       15,000
                                  Access Ramp for                       
                                  Chapel.                               
Oise-Aisne.....................  Construct               32       15,000
                                  Handicapped                           
                                  Facilities                            
                                  (Modify Toilet).                      
Florence.......................  Motorize 3 Roll-up      25        4,000
                                  Doors, Service                        
                                  Group Area.                           
Epinal.........................  Replace Fuel            25          500
                                  Gauges (3 ea).                        
Epinal.........................  Replace 110v            25          500
                                  Transformer &                         
                                  Distribution Box.                     
Suresnes.......................  Relocate Gasoline       25       10,000
                                  Pump/Storage Tank                     
                                  to Svc. Area.                         
Manila.........................  Replace                 32       20,000
                                  Underground Fuel                      
                                  Storage Tanks.                        
Suresnes.......................  Upgrade Electrical      25       10,000
                                  Power in North                        
                                  Service Area.                         
Garches........................  Construct Handicap      25        2,000
                                  Access Ramp.                          
Garches........................  Modify Toilet for       25        2,000
                                  Handicapped                           
                                  Access.                               
Sicily-Rome....................  Renovation and          32        5,000
                                  modification of                       
                                  Generator Room.                       
Meuse Argonne..................  Install Water           25        2,000
                                  Softener in                           
                                  Visitors Building.                    
Netherlands....................  Replace Stone           25        2,000
                                  Steps Around                          
                                  Flagpole.                             
Netherlands....................  Replace Venetian        25        4,000
                                  Blinds in                             
                                  Visitors Bldg                         
                                  Office.                               
Sicily-Rome....................  Build Concrete Bed      25        3,000
                                  for Canal Running                     
                                  into Reservoi.                        
Netherlands....................  Replace Roll-up         25        3,500
                                  Door in Mower                         
                                  Bldg.                                 
Netherlands....................  Paint Floor in          25        1,000
                                  Service Area.                         
Flanders Field.................  Sand/Seal Wooden        25        1,000
                                  Floor in                              
                                  Visitor's Bldg.                       
Manila.........................  Renovate Guard          25        5,000
                                  House.                                
Meuse Argonne..................  Rebronze Doors of       25        1,500
                                  Montfaucon                            
                                  Monument.                             
Oise Aisne.....................  Repoint Rear Wall       25          500
                                  of Memorial (3rd                      
                                  phase/3.                              
Aisne Marne....................  Clean and treat         25        1,000
                                  chimneys &                            
                                  windows                               
                                  (limestone).                          
Florence.......................  Replace Pebble          32       36,000
                                  Mall Paths with                       
                                  Pebble Tiles.                         
Aisne Marne....................  Repair Cracked          25        1,000
                                  Stones on                             
                                  Flagpole Base.                        
Aisne Marne....................  Repair South-Side       25       10,000
                                  Bronze Door Frame.                    
Saint Mihiel...................  Repair and Paint        25        1,000
                                  Perimeter Fence.                      
Sicily-Rome....................  Renovation of           25        8,000
                                  Lathhouse                             
                                  Building.                             
Somme..........................  Repaint Perimeter       25        1,000
                                  Fence at Cantigny                     
                                  Monument.                             
Somme..........................  Reset or Grind          25        1,000
                                  Stone in Flagpole                     
                                  Base.                                 
Suresnes.......................  Clean the Cornice       25       10,000
                                  of Memorial.                          
Manila.........................  Install Automatic       32       45,000
                                  Sprinklers (Phase                     
                                  II).                                  
Suresnes.......................  Replace                 25        1,000
                                  information board.                    
Ardennes.......................  Replace Damaged         25       10,000
                                  Bricks, Exterior                      
                                  Wall of Vis. Ctr.                     
Henri Chapelle.................  Replace 3 stones        25        2,000
                                  in Wall of                            
                                  Missing.                              
Florence.......................  Build Retaining         32       90,000
                                  Wall in Front of                      
                                  Dam.                                  
Lorraine.......................  Repair Path to          25        2,000
                                  Overlook.                             
Henri Chapelle.................  Repaint Pump Room.      25        2,500
Saint Mihiel...................  Repaint exterior        25        3,000
                                  walls of Qtrs.                        
Florence.......................  Install Alarm           25        2,400
                                  System On                             
                                  Entrance Cemetery                     
                                  Bridge.                               
Somme..........................  Repair stone            25        4,500
                                  damage in                             
                                  Perimeter Wall.                       
Aisne Marne....................  Repair and Paint        25        6,000
                                  Perimeter Fence.                      
Netherlands....................  Retile Floor in         25        2,000
                                  Visitors Bldg                         
                                  Office.                               
Manila.........................  Drill New Well....      32       90,000
Lorraine.......................  Repair and Paint        25       15,000
                                  Chain-link                            
                                  Perimeter Fence.                      
Epinal.........................  Repair Perimeter        25        1,000
                                  Fence.                                
Somme..........................  Repaint                 25          750
                                  Transformer                           
                                  Building.                             
Florence.......................  Install Floor           32        1,500
                                  Tiles Service                         
                                  Group Building.                       
Aisne Marne....................  Repair Retaining        25        1,500
                                  Wall of Memorial.                     
Ardennes.......................  Repair Concrete         25        2,000
                                  Pavement Next to                      
                                  Compost Shed.                         
Flanders Field.................  Repoint Perimeter       25        2,000
                                  Wall.                                 
Sicily-Rome....................  Replace Capstone        25        2,000
                                  on Boundary Walls.                    
Meuse Argonne..................  Repair and Repoint      25        2,000
                                  Perimeter Wall.                       
Oise Aisne.....................  Repoint and Repair      25        2,000
                                  Perimeter Wall.                       
Saint Mihiel...................  Repoint and Repair      25        7,000
                                  Perimeter Wall.                       
Manila.........................  Repave Roads            32      125,000
                                  (Phase II).                           
Suresnes.......................  Relevel Headstone       25       45,000
                                  Beams.                                
Saint Mihiel...................  Install                 32        5,000
                                  information panel                     
                                  at Montsec                            
                                  Monument.                             
Meuse Argonne..................  Construct garage        32       10,000
                                  at Asst Supt Qtrs.                    
Rhone..........................  Resurface               32       40,000
                                  Visitors' Parking                     
                                  Lot.                                  
Aisne Marne....................  Repair/Repaint          25        4,000
                                  Basement Windows,                     
                                  Chateau Thierry.                      
Henri Chapelle.................  Repair Stone Wall       25        3,000
                                  and Gate Near                         
                                  North Parking                         
                                  Area.                                 
Brookwood......................  Spread Additional       25        5,000
                                  Gravel on                             
                                  Walkways.                             
Manila.........................  Install Automatic       32        4,000
                                  Gate Opener (Main                     
                                  Entrance).                            
Meuse Argonne..................  Relevel 2 steps at      25          500
                                  Montfaucon                            
                                  Monument.                             
Netherlands....................  Clean Copper            25          500
                                  Sulfate Stains                        
                                  from Statue Stone                     
                                  Base.                                 
Flanders Field.................  Regild Door of          25        1,000
                                  Chapel.                               
Rhone..........................  Resurface of            32       16,000
                                  Service Road.                         
Epinal.........................  Repair Cemetery         25       10,000
                                  Roads.                                
Henri Chapelle.................  Repair Roads and        25        3,000
                                  Walkways.                             
Meuse Argonne..................  Repair Chapel           25       20,000
                                  Service Road.                         
Manila.........................  Replace/Install         32       30,000
                                  Electric Aluminum                     
                                  Garage Bay Door.                      
Netherlands....................  Resurface               25       35,000
                                  Perimeter Road.                       
Suresnes.......................  Reconstruct             25      100,000
                                  Memorial Terrace/                     
                                  cracked retain.                       
                                  wall.                                 
Somme..........................  Install Stone Road      25          500
                                  Sign at                               
                                  Bellicourt                            
                                  Monument.                             
Rhone..........................  Replacement of          32        7,500
                                  Fence from NE to                      
                                  SW Side of                            
                                  Cemeter.                              
Somme..........................  Install Stone Road      25          500
                                  Sign at Cantigny                      
                                  Monument.                             
Meuse Argonne..................  Resurface Roads         32       60,000
                                  and Walkways with                     
                                  Asphalt.                              
Henri Chapelle.................  Replace Remaining       25        1,000
                                  Single-Pane                           
                                  Window in Attic.                      
Manila.........................  Construct               32       25,000
                                  Perimeter Road.                       
Luxembourg.....................  Replace rug in          25          500
                                  Visitors Bldg.                        
Brittany.......................  Replace Wooden          25       10,000
                                  Gates w/Aluminum.                     
Meuse Argonne..................  Resurface               25       15,000
                                  Esplanade at                          
                                  Montfaucon                            
                                  Monument.                             
Manila.........................  Construct Road to       32       25,000
                                  Compost Area.                         
Somme..........................  Resurface all           25       70,000
                                  Walkways.                             
Somme..........................  Resurface Parking       25      100,000
                                  Area at                               
                                  Bellicourt                            
                                  Monument.                             
Lorraine.......................  Resurface Roads         25       75,000
                                  and Walkways.                         
Luxembourg.....................  Resurface Cemetery      25       90,000
                                  Walkways.                             
Aisne Marne....................  Rebuild other           25       40,000
                                  roads (Water                          
                                  Res'v'r & Compost                     
                                  Shed).                                
Epinal.........................  Resurface Cemetery      32      150,000
                                  Walkways.                             
Meuse Argonne..................  Extend Roof of          32       25,000
                                  Memorial to                           
                                  Eliminate Water                       
                                  Seepage.                              
Aisne Marne....................  Resurface Parking       25       50,000
                                  Area/Walkways at                      
                                  Chateau Thierry.                      
Aisne Marne....................  Rebuild road in         25       60,000
                                  Belleau Wood.                         
Netherlands....................  Replace Curtains/       25        5,000
                                  Reupholster                           
                                  Furniture in Vis                      
                                  Ctr.                                  
Aisne Marne....................  Repair Drainage         25        5,000
                                  Problem and                           
                                  Repoint Memorial                      
                                  Steps.                                
Somme..........................  Refinish Floor in       25        2,000
                                  Visitors Center                       
                                  (Entrance Foyer).                     
Saint Mihiel...................  Clean Montsec           25      150,000
                                  Monument.                             
Meuse Argonne..................  Repair Terrace in       25       30,000
                                  Front of                              
                                  Montfaucon                            
                                  Monument.                             
Epinal.........................  Replace Gravel in       25          500
                                  Front of Chaumont                     
                                  Tablet.                               
Epinal.........................  Reasphalt Entrance      25       75,000
                                  Road.                                 
Brittany.......................  Replace Asphalt         25        6,000
                                  Pavement at Tours                     
                                  Monument.                             
Brittany.......................  Replace Sidewalk        25        2,000
                                  to Public Toilets.                    
Oise-Aisne.....................  Reasphalt Interior      25       40,000
                                  Walkways.                             
Ardennes.......................  Repoint Memorial        25       40,000
                                  Podium and Steps.                     
Oise-Aisne.....................  Replace Outside         25        1,000
                                  Entrance Lights--                     
                                  VB & Qtrs.                            
Netherlands....................  Renovate Pump           25        8,000
                                  System for                            
                                  Reflecting Pool.                      
Ardennes.......................  Repair and              25       20,000
                                  Maintain Asphalt                      
                                  Service Roads.                        
Ardennes.......................  Repair Back Wall        25        5,000
                                  of Compost Shed.                      
Ardennes.......................  Rebuild Wash Rack       25        5,000
                                  w/Oil-Water                           
                                  Separator.                            
Normandy.......................  Resurface 4             25       60,000
                                  Cemetery Walkways.                    
Normandy.......................  Repair Beach Path.      25       25,000
Normandy.......................  Replace Cubicle         25       10,000
                                  Partitions in                         
                                  Public Toilets.                       
Normandy.......................  Engrave 2 Stone         32        1,500
                                  Pillars at Garden                     
                                  of the Missing.                       
Normandy.......................  Repair Employee         25        2,000
                                  Parking Lot                           
                                  (Service Area).                       
Normandy.......................  Repair Cemetery         25       12,000
                                  Access Road                           
                                  Surface.                              
Normandy.......................  Repair 300m of          25        1,000
                                  Access Road's                         
                                  Shoulders.                            
Normandy.......................  Replace 2 Water         25        6,000
                                  Softeners.                            
Normandy.......................  Repair Roads/           25       14,000
                                  Parking Lot/                          
                                  Walkways at Pt du                     
                                  Hoc.                                  
Netherlands....................  Replace Museum          25        5,000
                                  Glass Shields                         
                                  with Safety Glass.                    
Cambridge......................  Replace Curb            25        2,000
                                  Stones at Parking                     
                                  Lot.                                  
Oise-Aisne.....................  Resurface East-         25       10,000
                                  West Axis                             
                                  Walkways.                             
Oise-Aisne.....................  Repaint Basement        25        1,500
                                  of Visitor's/Qtrs                     
                                  Bldg.                                 
Oise-Aisne.....................  Paint Interior of       25        1,000
                                  Visitors                              
                                  Reception Room.                       
Oise-Aisne.....................  Renovate Toilets        25        1,500
                                  of Visitors Bldg.                     
Oise-Aisne.....................  Repair Service          25        3,000
                                  Access Road.                          
Oise-Aisne.....................  Install Cabinets        32        2,000
                                  and Sink in                           
                                  Refectory.                            
Suresnes.......................  Refurbish Bronze        25        1,500
                                  Base of Flagpoles.                    
Meuse Argonne..................  Paint Interior of       25        1,000
                                  Service Area                          
                                  Garage.                               
Meuse Argonne..................  Replace Water           25          750
                                  Softener in                           
                                  Supt's Qtrs.                          
Normandy.......................  Resurface Gravel        25        1,000
                                  Walkways, Garden                      
                                  of the Missing.                       
Cambridge......................  Resurface Cemetery      25       30,000
                                  Roads.                                
Brittany.......................  Paint Exterior of       25       16,000
                                  Five Buildings.                       
Brittany.......................  Install False           25        3,500
                                  Ceiling and                           
                                  Radiators in                          
                                  Garage Bay.                           
Brittany.......................  Replace Toilets in      25        6,500
                                  Visitors Bldg.                        
Brookwood......................  Replace Driveway        25        5,000
                                  at Qtrs.                              
Cambridge......................  Resurface Parking       25       10,000
                                  Lot Road Near                         
                                  Visitors Bldg.                        
Luxembourg.....................  Refinish Pews and       25        1,000
                                  Kneelers in                           
                                  Chapel.                               
Garches........................  Replace Worn            25        5,000
                                  Carpeting (Phase                      
                                  2).                                   
Aisne Marne....................  Clean & treat           25        2,000
                                  Stone on Qtrs and                     
                                  Visitors Bldg.                        
Normandy.......................  Repair Perimeter        25        3,000
                                  Fence.                                
Luxembourg.....................  Replace Visitors        25        8,000
                                  Building Furnace.                     
Saint Mihiel...................  Improve water           25       40,000
                                  supply, clean                         
                                  deep well.                            
Somme..........................  Improve Water           25      300,000
                                  Supply (Drill New                     
                                  Well).                                
Aisne Marne....................  Replace Gutters on      25          500
                                  Compost Shed.                         
Ardennes.......................  Replace Gutters on      25        1,000
                                  Compost Shed.                         
Lorraine.......................  Repaint Roof of         25          750
                                  Public Toilet                         
                                  Facility.                             
Henri Chapelle.................  Replace gutters of      25        1,000
                                  Service Building.                     
Lorraine.......................  Repaint Roof of         25        1,000
                                  Visitors Building.                    
Saint Mihiel...................  Seal Asphalt            25        4,000
                                  Parking Area at                       
                                  Montsec Monument.                     
Ardennes.......................  Replace Memorial        25       50,000
                                  Furnace.                              
Lorraine.......................  Seal Parking Lot        25        1,000
                                  in Service Area.                      
Netherlands....................  Repair Rain Water       25        2,000
                                  Drains.                               
Netherlands....................  Inspect and Repair      25        8,000
                                  Service Area                          
                                  Roofs.                                
Normandy.......................  Replace Roofs Both      25       25,000
                                  Quarters.                             
Normandy.......................  Replace Annex           25        1,000
                                  Building Roof                         
                                  Gutters.                              
Lorraine.......................  Replace Gutters on      25       10,000
                                  Visitors Bldg and                     
                                  Public Toilet.                        
Suresnes.......................  Treat Chapel            25       12,000
                                  Ceiling with                          
                                  Preservative.                         
Cambridge......................  Improve                 25        2,000
                                  Maintenance Shop                      
                                  in Service Area.                      
Suresnes.......................  Install urinal and      25        2,000
                                  sink in Service                       
                                  Area.                                 
Aisne Marne....................  Replace gas tank        25       20,000
                                  and pump, Service                     
                                  Area.                                 
Oise Aisne.....................  Extend Roof of          25        3,000
                                  Garage to Create                      
                                  a Lean-to Storage.                    
Henri Chapelle.................  Improve water           25       40,000
                                  supply, clean                         
                                  deep well.                            
Saint Mihiel...................  Install Paving          25        2,000
                                  Stones at                             
                                  Memorial.                             
Somme..........................  Renovate Perimeter      25        2,000
                                  Fence w/ Post                         
                                  Lead Anchors.                         
Netherlands....................  Enclose Compost         32       10,000
                                  Shed.                                 
Cambridge......................  Enclose Compost         32       10,000
                                  Shed.                                 
Epinal.........................  Construct Interior      32        5,000
                                  Dividing Walls in                     
                                  Compost Shed.                         
Epinal.........................  Install                 32       15,000
                                  Recirculation                         
                                  System for Both                       
                                  Pools.                                
Normandy.......................  Install curbstones      32       45,000
                                  access road.                          
Oise Aisne.....................  Install heating in      32          250
                                  Visitors Bldg                         
                                  Attic.                                
Epinal.........................  Construct staff         32       50,000
                                  facility area.                        
Ardennes.......................  Paint Mechanic          25          500
                                  Workshop in                           
                                  Service Bldg.                         
Epinal.........................  Paint Floor in          25        1,000
                                  Workshop.                             
Normandy.......................  Improve Shed            25       15,000
                                  Service Area #2.                      
Aisne Marne....................  Install New             25       50,000
                                  Service Building.                     
Cambridge......................  Resurface Walkways      32      150,000
                                  to Eliminate                          
                                  Gravel.                               
Aisne Marne....................  Emplace Concrete        32        2,000
                                  Borders Around                        
                                  Traffic Island.                       
Somme..........................  Install Fence           32       30,000
                                  Around Grassy                         
                                  Area at                               
                                  Bellicourt Mon.                       
Ardennes.......................  Install Thermostat      25        2,000
                                  Valves in Qtrs.                       
Lorraine.......................  Install Hand            32        1,000
                                  Dryers in                             
                                  Visitor's Toilets.                    
Aisne Marne....................  Renovate Basement       25       35,000
                                  Rooms for                             
                                  Caretaker's                           
                                  Office.                               
Normandy.......................  Improve toilets         32      100,000
                                  facilities,                           
                                  Pointe du Hoc.                        
Suresnes.......................  Widen and               25       60,000
                                  Resurface                             
                                  Cemetery Walkways.                    
Lorraine.......................  Repair, Resurface       25       55,000
                                  Memorial Area                         
                                  Walkways.                             
Normandy.......................  Repair & Install        32       15,000
                                  Automatic Gate                        
                                  Main Entrance.                        
Garches........................  Enlarge Parking         25        1,000
                                  Area.                                 
Aisne Marne....................  Relocate Offices        25        3,000
                                  in Visitors                           
                                  Building.                             
Saint Mihiel...................  Relocate Entrance       25        1,000
                                  Gate at Qtrs.                         
Saint Mihiel...................  Install Gate on         25        3,000
                                  Access Road to                        
                                  Montsec Monument.                     
Lorraine.......................  Replace Ceiling in      32        1,500
                                  Supt's Office in                      
                                  Visitors Bldg.                        
Lorraine.......................  Install Sprinkler       32       10,000
                                  System for Meadow                     
                                  Area.                                 
Epinal.........................  Construct Heated        32        5,000
                                  Chemical Storage                      
                                  Shed.                                 
Normandy.......................  Construct               32       50,000
                                  Replacement                           
                                  Storage Building.                     
Netherlands....................  Construct               32       30,000
                                  Permanent Stone                       
                                  Handicapped Ramps.                    
Ardennes.......................  Install 1.5m Chain      32       30,000
                                  Link Fence Around                     
                                  Perimeter.                            
Ardennes.......................  Construct Truck         32        5,000
                                  Loading Ramp in                       
                                  Compost Area.                         
Ardennes.......................  Construct               32       10,000
                                  Retaining Wall in                     
                                  Compost Area.                         
Normandy.......................  Tile Wood Working       32        3,000
                                  and Mechanic Shop                     
                                  Floors.                               
Normandy.......................  Install 4 Metal         32        5,000
                                  Gates in Overflow                     
                                  Parking Area.                         
Suresnes.......................  Install Air-            32        3,000
                                  compressor in                         
                                  North Service                         
                                  Area.                                 
Ardennes.......................  Relocate Youth          25       10,000
                                  Statue.                               
Meuse Argonne..................  Replace Perimeter       25        5,000
                                  Fence.                                
Netherlands....................  Install Upstairs        25        1,000
                                  Toilet in Supt's                      
                                  Qtrs.                                 
Epinal.........................  Install second          32        2,500
                                  toilet in Both                        
                                  Qtrs.                                 
Epinal.........................  Renovate Kitchens       25       15,000
                                  in Qtrs.                              
Netherlands....................  Paint Garage            25          500
                                  Floors in Both                        
                                  Qtrs.                                 
Normandy.......................  Paint Basement          25          500
                                  Walls and Floor                       
                                  of Memorial.                          
Aisne Marne....................  Repaint Basement        25        1,000
                                  and Garage Floor,                     
                                  Visitors Bldg.                        
Ardennes.......................  Replace Sidewalk        25        5,000
                                  in Front of Supt                      
                                  Qtrs.                                 
Saint Mihiel...................  Repaint basement        25        1,000
                                  in Qtrs.                              
Normandy.......................  Replace kitchen         25       20,000
                                  cabinets, both                        
                                  Quarters.                             
Meuse Argonne..................  Install 2 Bedrooms      32       10,000
                                  in Asst Supt Qtrs.                    
Henri Chapelle.................  Construct Veranda       32       50,000
                                  both Qrts.                            
Cambridge......................  Install a Veranda       32       13,000
                                  at Supt's Qtrs.                       
Brookwood......................  Enlarge and             32       50,000
                                  improve Supt's                        
                                  Qtrs.                                 
Netherlands....................  Install Rolling         32        1,250
                                  Shutter in Supt                       
                                  Qtrs vic Veranda.                     
Epinal.........................  Install Two Hand        25          500
                                  Dryers in                             
                                  Visitors Bldg.                        
Netherlands....................  Install Hand            25          750
                                  Dryers in Public                      
                                  Toilets.                              
Henri Chapelle.................  Install Hand            25          500
                                  Dryers in Public                      
                                  Toilets.                              
Cambridge......................  Replace carpeting       25        2,000
                                  in Asst Supt Qtrs.                    
Aisne Marne....................  Sand and Varnish        25        5,000
                                  Floors in Qtrs.                       
Ardennes.......................  Replace Wall to         25        5,000
                                  Wall Carpeting in                     
                                  Both Qtrs.                            
Ardennes.......................  Renovate bathroom       25        1,000
                                  in Supt Qtrs.                         
Netherlands....................  Install New             25        3,000
                                  Carpeting in                          
                                  Asst. Supt's Qtrs.                    
Brittany.......................  Renovate bathrooms      25        5,000
                                  in Qtrs (Bathtub                      
                                  & Sink).                              
Netherlands....................  Renovate upstairs       25        1,500
                                  bathroom in                           
                                  Supt's Qtrs.                          
Normandy.......................  Renovate bathroom       25        1,000
                                  in Asst Supt's                        
                                  Qtrs.                                 
Aisne Marne....................  Renovate Kitchen        25        2,000
                                  in Qtrs (Tile &                       
                                  Paint).                               
Epinal.........................  Renovate Bathrooms      25       10,000
                                  in Both Qtrs.                         
Normandy.......................  Install Dormer          25       10,000
                                  Windows, Asst                         
                                  Supt's Qtrs.                          
Epinal.........................  Construct Veranda       32       50,000
                                  in both Qtrs.                         
Epinal.........................  Construct Front         32        5,000
                                  Porch Overhang                        
                                  for Supt's Qtrs.                      
Ardennes.......................  Construct Veranda       32       50,000
                                  Both Qtrs.                            
Ardennes.......................  Renovate Attic in       32       35,000
                                  Asst Qtrs &                           
                                  Construct                             
                                  Staircase.                            
Ardennes.......................  Tile Basement           32        5,000
                                  Floor in Both                         
                                  Qtrs.                                 
Ardennes.......................  Replace Kitchen         25        1,000
                                  Floor Tiles in                        
                                  Asst Supt's Qtrs.                     
Normandy.......................  Renovate Attic in       32       15,000
                                  Asst Supt Qtrs.                       
Normandy.......................  Construct Garage        32       15,000
                                  in Supt Qtrs.                         
Normandy.......................  Tile Storage Area       32        3,000
                                  Floors Both Qtrs.                     
Normandy.......................  Extend Garage--         32        5,000
                                  Asst Supt Qtrs.                       
Oise-Aisne.....................  Renovate Bathrooms      25        4,000
                                  in Supt's Qtrs.                       
Ardennes.......................  Repaint Interior        25        2,000
                                  of Asst Supt Qtrs.                    
Suresnes.......................  Renovate Supt's         25        5,000
                                  Qtrs Bathroom.                        
Brookwood......................  Construct               32       20,000
                                  Extension of                          
                                  Entrance to                           
                                  Supt's Qtrs.                          
Cambridge......................  Sandblast Chimney       25          152
                                  on Visitors                           
                                  Building.                             
Lorraine.......................  Repair Furnace in       25          306
                                  Service Area.                         
Garches........................  Construct Fire          25        2,500
                                  Escape.                               
Aisne Marne....................  Resurface Road,         25      100,000
                                  Belleau Wood                          
                                  Towards Lucy (1.1                     
                                  km).                                  
Aisne Marne....................  Construct               25        5,000
                                  Handicapped Ramp                      
                                  to Visitors Bldg.                     
Flanders Field.................  Replace Well Head       25        1,500
                                  Hatch.                                
Flanders Field.................  Renovate Oudenarde      25        1,000
                                  Monument Bunker.                      
Flanders Field.................  Improve Drainage        25        2,000
                                  vic Visitors Bldg                     
                                  Walkway.                              
Netherlands....................  Replace Damaged         25       12,000
                                  Stones Around                         
                                  Memorial.                             
Netherlands....................  Replace Sidewalk        25        1,500
                                  at Supt's Qtrs.                       
Netherlands....................  Improve Attic           25        3,000
                                  Insulation Both                       
                                  Qtrs.                                 
Normandy.......................  Install Handrail        32        3,000
                                  Utah Beach Fed                        
                                  Monument                              
                                  Staircase.                            
Oise Aisne.....................  Sand & Varnish          25        1,500
                                  Hardwood Floors                       
                                  in Visitors Bldg.                     
Oise Aisne.....................  Paint Small Metal       25        2,000
                                  Storage Bldg,                         
                                  Pump Rm,                              
                                  Reservoir.                            
Somme..........................  Construct Water         32       50,000
                                  Reservoir & Pump                      
                                  House.                                
Suresnes.......................  Repaint Boulevard       25        3,000
                                  Fence Near Qtrs.                      
Suresnes.......................  Improve Drainage        25       15,000
                                  System (4 Blocked                     
                                  Drains).                              
Brittany.......................  Install New             25       10,000
                                  Drainage Field                        
                                  Asst Supt Qtrs.                       
Normandy.......................  Replace Electric        25        1,000
                                  Hand Dryers in                        
                                  Public Toilets.                       
Netherlands....................  Clean Back Side of      25        9,000
                                  Wall of Missing.                      
Brookwood......................  Replace Gas             25        2,500
                                  Furnace, Supt                         
                                  Qtrs.                                 
Normandy.......................  Paint Garage Floor      25        2,000
                                  in Service Bldg.                      
                                ----------------------------------------
      Grand Total..............  ..................  ......   10,191,671
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                      DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE--CIVIL

                       Cemeterial Expenses, Army

STATEMENT OF STEVEN DOLA, DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY 
            FOR MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET, OFFICE OF THE 
            ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF THE ARMY FOR CIVIL 
            WORKS
    Senator Bond. We will now go to Mr. Steve Dola.
    Mr. Dola. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate 
the opportunity to appear before the subcommittee today and 
testify, as you pointed out, in support of the fiscal year 1998 
Cemeterial Expenses, Department of the Army budget request.
    Senator Bond. Let me say we have a letter from Secretary 
Lancaster, a good friend, who points out that we have managed 
to schedule a conflict for him, and we appreciate the fact that 
you are able to attend and sorry that we conflicted with a 
hearing on the House side. So thank you very much for being 
here.
    Mr. Dola. Mr. Chairman, Secretary Lancaster very much 
wanted to be here in person. As you know, he is defending the 
water resources program over in the House this morning.
    As you indicated, our budget request is $11,815,000 and it 
will finance operations at both Arlington and Soldiers' and 
Airmen's Home National Cemeteries. The full-time permanent 
positions in 1998 will be 117, down from a total of 121 in 1997 
and 128 authorized in 1996. We have three programs: operation 
and maintenance, administration, and construction.
    The operation and maintenance program, $8,779,000, will 
provide for the cost of daily operations necessary to support 
an average of 20 services daily and for maintenance of 
approximately 630 acres. This program supports 111 of the 117 
full-time permanent positions in 1998. We plan to perform the 
same amount of work contractually that previously was performed 
by civil servants and direct the contractors to take on 
additional tasks that need to be accomplished. Grounds 
maintenance, tree and shrub maintenance, custodial services, 
guide service, and information receptionists and headstone 
setting, realignment and cleaning are major functions performed 
by contract personnel.
    The administration program, $599,000, provides for 
essential management and administrative functions, to include 
staff supervision of Arlington and Soldiers' and Airmen's Home 
National Cemetery.
    The construction program funded--requested at $2,437,000, 
provides $1,175,000 to replace the Custis Walk, $810,000 to 
construct Columbarium access roads, and $350,000 to continue 
the graveliner program and other minor items.
    Finally, with regard to the Columbarium, the 11,286 niche 
capacity of Columbarium phase 3, currently under construction, 
will bring the total niches in the Columbarium complex to 
31,286. Phase 1, completed in 1984, phase 2, completed in 1991, 
each provided 10,000 niches. The North Court will be completed 
in October 1997 and the South Court will be completed in June 
1998.
    At this time there remain only about 2,000 niches in phase 
2, so we are right on time with the additional capacity.
    For that, Mr. Chairman, and for the subcommittee's support 
of past appropriations for the Columbarium, Arlington National 
Cemetery and the Army are very grateful. We have a sound budget 
request for 1998 and we again ask for your support and 
approval.

                           PREPARED STATEMENT

    That completes my summary, Mr. Chairman.
    Senator Bond. Thank you very much Mr. Dola.
    [The statement follows:]


                   Prepared Statement of Steven Dola

                              INTRODUCTION

    Mr. Chairman and members of the subcommittee: I appreciate the 
opportunity to appear before the subcommittee in support of the fiscal 
year 1998 appropriation request for Cemeterial Expenses, Department of 
the Army. With me today are Mr. John C. Metzler, Jr., Superintendent of 
Arlington National Cemetery, and Mr. Rory D. Smith, Budget Officer, 
also from Arlington National Cemetery. We are appearing on behalf of 
the Secretary of the Army, who is responsible for the operation and 
maintenance of Arlington and Soldiers' and Airmen's Home National 
Cemeteries.

                    FISCAL YEAR 1998 BUDGET OVERVIEW

    The request for fiscal year 1998 is $11,815,000; $215,000 more than 
the fiscal year 1997 appropriation. The funds requested are sufficient 
to support the work force, to assure adequate maintenance of the 
buildings, to acquire necessary supplies and equipment, and to provide 
maintenance standards expected at Arlington and Soldiers' and Airmen's 
Home National Cemeteries and include:
  --$1,175,000 for replacement of the historic Custis Walk;
  --$810,000 for construction of access roads associated with 
        Columbarium Phase III; and
  --$200,000 to further expand contracts for enhancing the appearance 
        of the cemetery while implementing government-wide streamlining 
        plans.
    The first item is a significant commitment to complete a capital 
improvement project, which, when completed, will eliminate the heaving 
and cracks which affect 75 percent of the walkway.
    The second item will allow the cemetery to make full utilization of 
Columbarium Phase III.
    The third item continues the initiative begun in fiscal year 1996. 
In fiscal year 1996 these contractual services were increased by 
$230,000, in fiscal year 1997 they were increased by an additional 
$165,000, and in fiscal year 1998 they will be increased by $200,000. 
Additional work will be performed by these contractors that was not 
done before and total personnel are being reduced from 128, to 121 and 
117, respectively.
    The funds requested are divided into three programs, Operation and 
Maintenance, Administration, and Construction. The principal items in 
each program are as follows:
    The Operation and Maintenance Program, $8,779,000, will provide for 
the cost of daily operations necessary to support an average of 20 
interments and inurnments daily and for maintenance of approximately 
630 acres. This program supports 111 of the cemetery's total 117 FTE's. 
Contractual services, including estimated costs associated with the 
million dollar grounds maintenance contract, the $775,000 information 
and guide service contract, $410,000 of contract tree and shrub 
maintenance, and a $210,000 custodial contract, are estimated to cost 
$2,947,000.
    The Administration Program, $599,000, provides for essential 
management and administrative functions to include staff supervision of 
Arlington and Soldiers' and Airmen's Home National Cemeteries. Funds 
requested will provide for personnel compensation, benefits and the 
reimbursable administrative support costs of the cemeteries.
    The Construction Program, $2,437,000, provides funds as follows: 
$1,175,000 to replace the historic Custis Walk, $810,000 to construct 
roads that originally were included as part of Phase III of the 
Columbarium, $50,000 of minor road repair, $350,000 for the graveliner 
program, and $45,000 to prepare the final design for the Wash Stand/
Fuel Island project.

                                FUNERALS

    In fiscal year 1996, there were 3,325 interments and 1,733 
inurnments; 3,500 interments and 1,900 inurnments are estimated in 
fiscal year 1997; and 3,500 interments and 1,900 inurnments are 
estimated in fiscal year 1998.

                               CEREMONIES

    Arlington National Cemetery is this Nation's principal shrine to 
honor the men and women who served in the Armed Forces. It is a visible 
reflection of America's appreciation for those who have made the 
ultimate sacrifice to maintain our freedom. In addition to the 
thousands of funerals, with military honors, held there each year, 
hundreds of other ceremonies are conducted to honor those who rest in 
the cemetery. Thousands of visitors, both foreign and American, visit 
Arlington to participate in these events. During fiscal year 1996, 
about 2,700 ceremonies were conducted and the President of the United 
States attended the ceremony on Veterans Day and Memorial Day.
    During fiscal year 1996, Arlington National Cemetery accommodated 
approximately 4 million visitors, making Arlington one of the most 
visited historic sites in the National Capital Region. This budget 
includes $35,000 for a study to develop an estimating procedure and 
reliable estimates of the kinds of visitors that Arlington National 
Cemetery serves. This increased orientation to our ``customers'' is 
consistent with the Government and Performance Results Act and the 
National Performance Review.

                         CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS

New projects in fiscal year 1998
    Custis Walk.--The Custis Walkway was constructed in 1879 and is 
2,500 feet long. Approximately 75 percent of the walkway is affected by 
heaving and cracks, requiring visitors to exercise additional care 
while using the walkway. The design for restoration/replacement has now 
been completed using fiscal year 1995 appropriations in the amount of 
$250,000. Construction funding of $1,175,000 is included in the fiscal 
year 1998 budget submission.
    Columbarium.--Columbarium roads associated with the Phase III 
increment are planned in fiscal year 1998 costing an estimated 
$810,000.

Construction project underway

    Columbarium Phase III.--On July 1, 1996, construction of one of two 
courts comprising Phase III of the Columbarium began, the contract for 
construction of the second court was awarded on February 7, 1997, and 
the construction cost is estimated to be $3,227,100. Construction funds 
were appropriated in fiscal year 1996 and 1997, respectively. The 
11,286 niche combined capacity of the Phase III increment will bring 
the total niches in the Columbarium Complex to 31,286. Phase I, 
completed in 1984, and Phase II, completed in 1991, each provided 
10,000 niches. The additional 1,286 niche capacity of Phase III was 
achieved by increasing the square footage or ``foot print'' of each of 
the Phase III courts by 10 percent. In addition to providing more 
niches, the larger ``foot print'' permits inclusion of a needed rest 
room and mechanical/storage area into the North court of Phase III, and 
makes more efficient use of the site.

                RECENTLY COMPLETED CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS

    Amphitheater.--The repair of damage done by rainwater leaks at the 
Amphitheater and restoration of deteriorated marble there which were 
begun in July 1994 are now complete. The work included replacing 
waterproofing membranes; cleaning, patching and repointing stonework; 
replacing deteriorated marble and balusters; replacing benches, 
railings, drinking fountains, trash receptacles, signage and flagstone 
paving. The Memorial Amphitheater Restoration Project now provides a 
fitting place for ceremonies where public honor and recognition are 
accorded national heros.
    Facility Maintenance Complex.--A new facility maintenance complex 
was constructed to replace buildings constructed in the 1930's. The 
facility maintenance complex consists of work and storage areas for 
three divisions (Facility Maintenance, Horticulture, and Field 
Operations), in three separate buildings. There is another building for 
warehouse operations and a building for the administrative functions 
associated with all of these operations.
    McClellan Gate.--The work associated with restoration of the 
McClellan Gate has been recently completed. Work included removal and 
resetting of stone including some stone replacement, structural 
repairs, repointing, patching and cleaning of the entire arch, a new 
concrete ring foundation, new copper roofing and flashing, repair and 
painting of the iron gate, and new granite cobblestone paving around 
the arch.

                         CLAIMS AND SETTLEMENTS

    The status and disposition of claims associated with projects and 
contracts at Arlington National Cemetery is summarized in the following 
paragraphs.
    In our letter of December 5, 1996, we informed the Subcommittee of 
our plan to make final payment to the construction contractor on the 
Facility Maintenance Complex under the terms of a settlement agreement 
reached with the contractor and final payment to the contractor was 
made on January 14, 1997.
    Last year, we reported that a claim for differing site conditions, 
submitted by the construction contractor for the demolition of the old 
temporary Visitors Center and development of that land (Sections 54 and 
55) into gravesites, was formally denied. The contractor appealed the 
decision to the U.S. Court of Federal Claims on December 19, 1996.
    Two claims from a previous grounds maintenance contractor have been 
received. Settlement of a claim related to a defective contract option 
in a previous grounds maintenance contract was reached in the amount of 
$98,000. A claim alleging defective specifications in an interim 
grounds maintenance contract is expected to be litigated in June or 
July 1997.

                              MASTER PLAN

    The new Master Plan, which currently is undergoing review within 
the Army Secretariat, will identify projects and policies to respond to 
the challenges confronting Arlington National Cemetery. These 
challenges include an aging infrastructure, declining availability of 
space for initial interment, and the need to preserve the dignity of 
the cemetery while accommodating substantial public visitation. The 
future projects envisioned in the Master Plan will not begin to be 
implemented until we are into the next century. Projects and policies 
must be measured against funding to be made available in the budget and 
appropriations processes. Detailed planning and engineering studies 
necessary to establish the cost, feasibility, and responsiveness of 
individual capital projects to the Master Plan challenges would be 
programmed and proposed to Congress, after review and consideration by 
the Administration, at the appropriate times.

                     ARMY--INTERIOR LAND TRANSFERS

    Public Law 104-201, the National Defense Authorization Act for 
Fiscal Year 1997 (``1997 Authorization Act''), which was enacted on 
September 23, 1996, includes two land transfer provisions in Section 
2821 relating to Arlington National Cemetery.
    Section 29 Land Transfer.--The first part of Section 2821 of the 
1997 Authorization Act instructs the Secretary of the Interior to 
transfer to the Secretary of the Army certain lands found in Section 29 
of Arlington National Cemetery. The land found in Section 29 is 
currently divided into two zones: the 12 acre Arlington National 
Cemetery Interment Zone and 12.5 acre Robert E. Lee Memorial 
Preservation Zone. The transfer encompasses the Arlington National 
Cemetery Interment Zone and the portions of the Robert E. Lee Memorial 
Preservation Zone that do not have historical significance and are not 
needed for the maintenance of nearby lands and facilities.
    The Secretary of the Interior is to base his or her determination 
of which portion of the Preservation Zone will be transferred primarily 
on a cultural resources study that will consider whether archeological 
resources are likely to be located on the land, whether portions of the 
property are eligible for inclusion in the National Register of 
Historic Places, and whether property has forest cover that contributes 
to the setting of the Preservation Zone. The cost of the study, 
estimated at $85,000, will be split evenly between the Department of 
Interior and Department of the Army. In addition, the Secretary of the 
Interior will provide the Committee on Armed Services of the Senate and 
the Committee on National Security of the House of Representatives with 
environmental and cultural resource information and analysis.
    The transfer, which is to be carried out under the Interagency 
Agreement Between the Department of the Interior, the National Park 
Service, and the Department of the Army, dated February 22, 1995, is to 
occur not sooner than 60 days after the Secretary of the Interior has 
submitted the information and analysis to the Committees. The Secretary 
of the Interior must provide the information and analysis to the 
Committees no later than October 31, 1997.
    Visitors Center/Old Administration Building.--The second part of 
Section 2821 of the 1997 Authorization Act instructs the Secretary of 
the Interior to transfer to the Secretary of the Army 2.43 acres of 
land and the Visitors Center, which is constructed on the land. In 
return, the Secretary of the Army will transfer to the Secretary of the 
Interior .17 acres of land and the Old Administration Building, which 
is constructed on the site. Section 2821 provides the authority by 
which this agreed-upon exchange of lands may take place.

                               CONCLUSION

    The funds included in the fiscal year 1998 budget are necessary to 
permit the Department of the Army to continue the high standards of 
maintenance Arlington National Cemetery deserves. I urge the 
Subcommittee to approve this request.
    Mr. Chairman, this concludes my remarks. We will be pleased to 
respond to questions from the Subcommittee.

                        SELECTIVE SERVICE SYSTEM

STATEMENT OF GIL CORONADO, DIRECTOR
    Senator Bond. Mr. Coronado, we know you had some conflicts 
in your schedule today, we congratulate you on your sense of 
timing. It reminds me of the trapeze artist who lets go without 
seeing the other bar and it arrives right on time. That 
demonstrates excellent planning, and we are delighted to 
welcome you today.
    Mr. Coronado. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Senator Bond. Please proceed.

                            OPENING REMARKS

    Mr. Coronado. Mr. Chairman, I am delighted to appear before 
you and the other distinguished members of this subcommittee. I 
have a written statement that I would like to submit for the 
record.
    Senator Bond. We will accept the statement in full, it will 
go into the record, and we would invite you to summarize what 
you think are the most important parts.
    Mr. Coronado. Yes, sir; we are grateful to the subcommittee 
and the Congress for continuing to provide us with the funds 
necessary to carry out our mission. As you know, in November 
1994 the Department of Defense revised its mobilization 
timetables and we are now in the process of adjusting to that. 
At the same time, we are moving forward with modernization of 
our data processing capabilities and we are trying to enhance 
service in every area.

                     SERVICE TO AMERICA INITIATIVE

    As you consider our fiscal year 1998 appropriation, I know 
that to function in an era of Government downsizing, the 
Selective Service System cannot merely dwell on its proud past, 
nor depend exclusively on the threat of future crisis. This 
agency must demonstrate that America benefits from its work 
each and every day. So in the spirit of the national 
performance review, we are broadening our agency's direction. 
We have enthusiastically embarked upon a new initiative that we 
call Service to America, while continuing to meet our statutory 
responsibilities.
    We have reached out in close cooperation with the 
Department of Defense and the Corporation for National Service. 
We are informing young men about service opportunities today in 
the Armed Forces and in our Nation's communities. With Service 
to America, we proudly continue our time-honored purpose in a 
new way.
    We want to fully implement Service to America, and our 
fiscal year 1998 request of $23.9 million is a slight increase 
for the very first time in 4 years. Slightly over one-half of 
the increase is for the printing, mailing, processing, and 
staffing of the Service to America initiative, and the balance 
is, of course, to offset pay raise costs.
    Service to America, Mr. Chairman, is a solid example of 
Federal agencies working together to achieve common goals and 
provide better, more efficient service to the public. It is 
also relevant to our Nation's new bipartisan emphasis on 
voluntarism. We have been in touch with Gen. Colin Powell as he 
spearheads with former President Bush the Presidents' Summit 
for America's Future. We have suggested ways that our agency's 
capabilities can be adapted to support programs and initiatives 
sparked by the upcoming Philadelphia summit.
    The General responded recently. He was happy to receive our 
suggestions and his staff is now considering our proposals.
    I strongly urge that you fund this innovative, modest 
adjustment to our acknowledgment program, a program that was 
born from an original concept in 1993, suggested by Senator 
Mikulski. With your support and this 4-percent increase in our 
agency's budget, we can move forward with an endeavor that has 
great benefits for America and coincides with our Nation's new 
bipartisan emphasis on voluntarism.
    Mr. Chairman, members of this committee, I am proud of what 
Selective Service does for America. I hope you share in this 
pride as I answer your questions about our fiscal year 1998 
budget request.
    Thank you.
    [The statement follows:]
                   Prepared Statement of Gil Coronado
    I am delighted to appear before you and the other distinguished 
members of this Subcommittee, and to update you on the good things 
happening at the Selective Service System (SSS).
    The President's Budget requests this Agency be funded at a level of 
$23.9 million in fiscal year 1998. This amount represents a slight 
increase in Selective Service funding for the first time in four years. 
Why the increase? In part, it is related directly to the 
Administration's support of our new ``Service to America'' initiative, 
an endeavor I hope the members of this Subcommittee will support.

                 SELECTIVE SERVICE SYSTEM FISCAL HISTORY                
                        [In millions of dollars]                        
------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                      Obligations/year  
                                                   ---------------------
                    Fiscal year                        1982      Actual 
                                                     dollars    dollars 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
1982..............................................       19.6       19.6
1983..............................................       22.0       22.8
1984..............................................       23.0       24.8
1985..............................................       24.5       27.4
1986..............................................       22.7       26.0
1987..............................................       22.2       26.1
1988..............................................       21.0       25.4
1989..............................................       20.9       26.2
1990..............................................       19.6       25.6
1991..............................................       19.5       26.6
1992..............................................       19.3       27.4
1993..............................................       19.4       28.5
1994..............................................       16.6       24.8
1995..............................................       14.9       22.8
1996..............................................       14.4       22.9
Estimated:                                                              
    1997..........................................       13.7       22.9
    1998..........................................       13.9       23.9
------------------------------------------------------------------------

    In the past year, more than a million-and-a-half men followed the 
example of young Jerry Lewis, Jr., of Rankin, Texas. In February 1996, 
Jerry was the 35 millionth man to register with Selective Service since 
the requirement was reinstated in 1980. As America's young men comply 
with the law, they demonstrate to the men and women who serve in the 
all-volunteer military that the U.S. population stands behind them, 
committed to serve, should the preservation of our national security so 
require.

                    AGENCY CONTINUES TO BE EXAMINED

    Much Congressional and media interest has focused on the SSS since 
the early 1990's because of: (1) the end of the Cold War; (2) 
Department of Defense (DOD) analyses that addressed many intangible 
elements associated with maintaining a standby system of conscription; 
(3) the Administration's reviews and policy decisions by the President; 
and, (4) a 1994 change in DOD's forecast for manpower requirements. DOD 
now anticipates that the first draftees will be needed six months after 
a crisis begins. In light of this, the SSS adjusted its programs and 
streamlined its staffing. The resulting changes enable SSS to work 
better and more efficiently, and conform with Administration guidelines 
promulgated by the National Performance Review. Simultaneously, the SSS 
has had several examinations of its mission and structure. Currently 
(since January 1997), the General Accounting Office (GAO) is studying 
possible alternative methods of registration at the request of three 
Members of Congress who believe that personal registration is no longer 
necessary. GAO's review will summarize the merits of the current 
program and present the pros and cons of alternatives.

                   IMPACT OF NEW INDUCTION TIMETABLES

    In February 1995, the President forwarded to Congress the 
Administration's position emphasizing the need to maintain the SSS and 
peacetime registration. It also reaffirmed the Department of Defense's 
position to keep the SSS in its present configuration. The DOD revised 
its mobilization timetables to reflect post-Cold War scenarios, with 
first inductees now required 193 days after mobilization for a national 
emergency. We had anticipated the new timetables, and began right-
sizing a few years ago. We reduced several programs and streamlined the 
organization. On the other hand, the shift to new mobilization 
timetables for inductees increased our operational workload by adding 
new planning and training requirements. To conduct a more deliberate 
build-up to a draft during a future national emergency, extensive new 
plans are being developed and training on them must be accomplished. 
Additionally, we must revise our procedures, regulations, and 
documentation to reflect a new, graduated or ``time-phased response'' 
to deliver preexamined draftees for induction 193 days after 
Mobilization Day. This work is progressing smoothly.

                   PLANNING AND PERFORMANCE MEASURES

    Working closely with the Office of Management and Budget and 
following National Performance Review mandates, the SSS has tailored 
its goals and objectives to produce result-oriented performance 
measures and improve service to America. This is described in our six-
year draft Strategic Plan.
    For example, we continue in our commitment to reinvent the SSS to 
improve operations, enhance customer service, and increase efficiency. 
Our measures of performance effectiveness are: qualitative improvements 
within specific time frames, more accurate and faster turnaround of 
data, solid levels of personnel staffing, and total customer 
satisfaction. Each of these issues is also outlined in our draft fiscal 
year 1997-2002 Strategic Plan, which represents our road map to the 
21st Century. Part of the Agency's strategy is to form partnerships 
with other Federal government agencies, to work together to achieve 
common goals and provide better, more efficient service to the public. 
Selective Service provides essential administrative support services, 
such as computer matching and automation, especially where there is a 
requirement to have access to a data base of more than 36 million young 
men. Currently we provide automation services to the Department of 
Defense, the Department of Health and Human Services, the Census 
Bureau, the Department of Justice, and the Corporation for National 
Service. Similarly, at SSS, we obtain some administrative services from 
other agencies. As an example, we out source for accounting, employee 
assistance, health, payroll and personnel support programs as a means 
to enhance internal productivity and limit costs.
    In sum, we are committed to reshaping SSS to meet the demands of 
the 21st Century. We are actively embracing other creative alternatives 
to accomplish our statutory missions, and we continue to investigate 
new and better ways to do business.

                        REGISTRATION IMPROVEMENT

    Since public awareness of the requirement that men register 
influences registration, and because a high rate of compliance fosters 
fairness and equity in any future draft, the SSS has initiated several 
programs:
  --Radio and television public service announcements (PSA's) in 
        English and Spanish were developed and distributed to stations 
        nationally. These high-quality PSA's have received laudatory 
        comments from viewers around the country.
  --Many governors and local officials issued proclamations supporting 
        SSS registration. Eighteen states have laws which parallel 
        Federal laws and require men to register with SSS as a 
        prerequisite for receiving state loans, educational assistance, 
        or employment. Several other states have similar legislation 
        pending.

             HEALTH CARE PERSONNEL DELIVERY SYSTEM (HCPDS)

    HCPDS is the Agency's standby system to conscript health care 
personnel during a national emergency. The plans and procedures for the 
registration and classification of health care personnel are complete 
and have been placed on the shelf as Congress directed. Conscription of 
health care personnel can be implemented, should the Congress 
authorize, and the President so direct. In 1994, the Department of 
Defense extended the time-line for delivery of health care personnel by 
six months. Development of plans to comply with this extension will be 
complete this fiscal year.

              AUTOMATED DATA PROCESSING (ADP) INITIATIVES

    Increasing demands for speedy services dictate the need to improve 
productivity through advanced ADP technologies. A number of initiatives 
were started last year and are making a difference in fiscal year 1997. 
A new I-CASE Tools software package, which automates computer program 
development, is aiding us in our business process improvement work. 
Also, we are making good use of enhanced scanning equipment and an 
Intelligent Character Recognition System, which have enabled the Agency 
to file registration data faster and without loss of accuracy. In 
addition to improving business processes and registration compliance 
statistics, the Agency is moving to a more modern computer technology, 
new reengineering projects, and revised methods of registrations. For 
example, SSS will be looking at shifting from mainframe technology to 
small computer technology to reduce operating and maintenance costs. 
After an internal cost-benefit analysis, we will validate findings with 
the General Service Administration, and work with a contractor to 
implement the necessary changes.

                     SERVICE TO AMERICA INITIATIVE

    While continuing to meet our statutory responsibilities, and with 
strong Administration support, we have enthusiastically embarked on a 
new initiative which we call ``Service to America.'' President Clinton 
recently acknowledged it as ``a noble and worthwhile effort sure to 
increase civic mindedness and opportunities in our country.'' The idea 
is simple. With your support, the SSS registration process will serve 
dual functions in American society. In our routine communication with 
all new registrants in America, we encourage them to serve America 
today. In close cooperation with the Department of Defense and the 
Corporation for National Service, we are informing young men about 
opportunities today in the U.S. Armed Forces and about community 
service through the Corporation for National Service. On the 
acknowledgment card they receive from us in the mail, we encourage them 
to explore options for voluntary service to the Nation.
    This ancillary service is meaningful, appropriate, reinvigorating 
and exciting. With ``Service to America,'' this Agency proudly 
continues to fulfill its time-honored purpose in a creative way. We 
historically focused the attention of America's young men on meeting 
national wartime needs, and now we also remind them to volunteer for 
other civic opportunities in peacetime. Thus, the Selective Service 
System is and will remain ready for tomorrow's national emergency, as 
it serves America's needs today.
    We want to implement fully the ``Service to America'' initiative. 
Our fiscal year 1998 budget submission requests $23.9 million. This is 
a slight increase for the first time since fiscal year 1993. About half 
of this $1 million increase would fund five additional full-time 
equivalents and offset the increased costs of printing, mailing, and 
processing a larger acknowledgment card. It would also allow a portion 
of the new card to be a detachable mail-back postcard. On it, new 
registrants would indicate their interest in military or community 
service. In turn, we would process the returning information into 
timely, accurate, high quality recruiter leads for the U.S. Armed 
Forces and the Corporation for National Service. The balance of the 
funding increase would offset 1998 pay raise costs.
    The ``Service to America'' initiative is another good example of 
interagency cooperation that benefits the public. It is also relevant 
to our Nation's new bipartisan emphasis on volunteerism. We have been 
in touch with General Colin Powell as he spearheads, with former 
President Bush, the President's Summit for America's Future.'' We 
suggested ways that this Agency's capabilities can be adapted to 
support programs and initiatives sparked by the upcoming Philadelphia 
Summit. The General responded recently. He was happy to receive our 
suggestions and his staff is now considering our proposals.
    The four percent budget increase for Selective Service, requested 
by the President for fiscal year 1998, demonstrates the Administration 
is in agreement with the ``Service to America'' initiative. I strongly 
urge that you fund this innovative and modest adjustment to our 
acknowledgment program. With your support, we can move forward with 
this endeavor that has great benefits for America, and parallels our 
Nation's new, bipartisan emphasis on volunteerism.
    Mr. Chairman and members of the Subcommittee, I am proud of what 
Selective Service does for America. I hope you share in this pride.

                          ABMC INFRASTRUCTURE

    Senator Bond. Thank you very much, Mr. Coronado.
    Let me start with General Herrling. What do you estimate 
the future infrastructure needs and costs to be for the AMBC?
    General Herrling. Sir, today I estimate our infrastructure 
costs as far as repair and maintenance and the backlog thereof 
to be in the area of about $10 million. If we do not receive 
some help to try to defray some of that cost, I can only see 
that growing in future years.
    Senator Bond. So this is a one-time cost, or what is the 
annual cost? Are we talking about a one-time cost?
    General Herrling. Sir, it would average somewhere around 
$2.0 million a year for construction, repair and maintenance. 
We have tried to make inroads into the backlog. In fact, in 
fiscal year 1993 and 1994 Senator Mikulski added $1 million and 
$250,000 to our budget and we were able to make serious inroads 
into that backlog.
    Now, over the last 4 or 5 years it has built up again.
    Senator Bond. I know that one of the problems we face in 
dealing with overseas responsibilities is the fluctuation in 
foreign currency. What is the best approach for meeting the 
foreign currency market fluctuations? What are you doing to 
deal with that?
    General Herrling. Sir, in this, the fiscal year 1998 
appropriation, we have asked for $2.1 million to cover foreign 
currency fluctuation costs. That seems consistent with the 
past. The 1 year that it was not provided for in the budget, in 
1996, we got into a deficit position, and were short $700,000. 
So I had to go into my operational account to make up the 
difference for the foreign currency fluctuation.
    We have used our best judgment on what current fluctuation 
needs will be for both this year and in 1998.

                            RESPONSIBILITIES

    Senator Bond. Thank you, sir.
    Turning to Mr. Dola, what are your primary responsibilities 
with regard to the Arlington National Cemetery and the 
Soldiers' and Airmen's Home National Cemetery?
    Mr. Dola. As Secretary Lancaster's Deputy, my primary 
responsibilities with regard to Arlington and Soldiers' and 
Airmen's Home National Cemeteries are program formulation and 
budget oversight. The budget request is to operate and maintain 
both of those cemeteries, the entire works: scheduling, 
orchestrating and supporting, the funerals there, operating and 
maintaining the grounds, and providing for infrastructure needs 
that may occur, such as the Columbarium, the restoration of the 
Memorial Amphitheater, and other projects that are coming down 
the road.
    Senator Bond. The Columbarium. What are the other 
infrastructure needs with respect to those? What kind of 
funding do you expect to be requiring in the future?
    Mr. Dola. As you know from our budget, Mr. Chairman, we are 
asking for $2.4 million for construction, and in the next 5 
years we would be expecting on the order of $2.5 million per 
year. The larger issue will occur after that period, where we 
would anticipate that the construction needs could perhaps 
double that amount on an annual basis to take care of things 
that we see in our master plan down the road.

                 COSTS OF SERVICE TO AMERICA INITIATIVE

    Senator Bond. Mr. Coronado, what costs are you envisioning 
in the Selective Service on the Service to America initiative?
    Mr. Coronado. For Service to America, Mr. Chairman, it is 
$506,000.

                      FUTURE OF SELECTIVE SERVICE

    Senator Bond. There are questions being addressed by the 
GAO on the need to maintain the Selective Service in view of 
the success of the Volunteer Army. What do you see as the 
future of Selective Service, and if you had to forecast the 
outcome of this review what would you forecast? What do you 
think it should be?
    Mr. Coronado. It is my understanding that the GAO is at our 
agency, according to them, at the request of three Members of 
Congress to look at alternative methods of registration. So I 
do not believe the future of this agency is in jeopardy. I 
believe that this has been discussed and rediscussed by the 
Congress, studied by the National Security Council, the 
Department of Defense, and the administration. The majority of 
the people involved in these studies and discussions have 
decided SSS must remain ready and voted for maintaining a 
strong third tier of our Nation's defense. I am optimistic 
about the future of this agency inasmuch as it represents 
something very important to all of us.
    Senator Bond. Thank you very much, Mr. Coronado.
    Let me turn to Senator Mikulski for her questions.
    Senator Mikulski. Thank you.
    Gentlemen, each one of you plays a very important role, one 
in registering young people should we need to mobilize; and 
then after service a way to pay tribute to that. General 
Herrling--I am going to have a question for each one. First of 
all, we have been very blessed that the head of the American 
Battle Monuments Commission has always been a very 
distinguished American, and we thank you for taking on that 
responsibility.

                    ABMC INFRASTRUCTURE AND BACKLOG

    I just want to follow upon what Senator Bond raised, which 
is I am very concerned about the backlog in terms of 
maintenance, and I think we would welcome either a plan or kind 
of a work-through schedule. I do not want to call it a workout, 
but a work-through schedule, where in an organized and 
systematic way, dealing with those that are most at risk, then 
through, and how we could bring ourselves up to date so that we 
actually are not only funding current operating expenses, but 
essentially really having an organized, systematic way of 
working this down.
    Do you think that is a possibility, to be able to give that 
to us?
    General Herrling. Yes; I do, Senator. In fact, I am 
prepared to provide for the record a priority list of our 
maintenance, which includes some 550 projects at this point. As 
I mentioned earlier, it totals about $10 million.
    Now, through this fiscal year and hopefully if funded at 
the requested level for 1998, I will be able to work that 
backlog down somewhere in the range of $6 million. We will use 
our priority list, which includes some 550 projects, and start 
working down it. As you know, each year other projects are 
added to it.
    But I think with a modest increase each year, over maybe 
the next 5 years, I could whittle that down to something that 
is very manageable.
    Senator Mikulski. Well, this Senator is certainly not going 
to suggest a management plan to a U.S. Army General. But we 
might want to go to those that are most severely distressed, 
like a barbell approach, and then those that are beginning to 
be telltale, frayed and tattered, so that by beginning to 
intervene now they are not on that cascading slope. Some of 
those expenditures are quite low.
    So we look forward to working with you on this, and thank 
you.
    A question then for Mr. Coronado. You spoke about the 
Service to America and what I had asked. Do you want to just 
very quickly say what that is?
    Mr. Coronado. Absolutely. Senator, I want to thank you 
personally for having brought this up in 1993. The 
opportunities to interface with other agencies. How can we do 
something to better serve the American public? Very basically, 
we are in contact with 1.9 million young men each year. What we 
have done is to redesign the registration acknowledgment card 
and are asking men to serve America today as volunteers, either 
through the Armed Forces--or through AmeriCorps--and the card 
shows 1-800 numbers--for DOD and AmeriCorps. We are promoting 
Service to America in close cooperation with these agencies, 
who have voiced a very, very strong and very positive reception 
to this adjunct effort. We communicate this simple message to 
America's youth, at no additional cost, Mr. Chairman.
    However, for fiscal year 1998, we are asking for a slight 
increase in funding to redesign the whole process.
    Senator Mikulski. So what you are saying is that Selective 
Service does three things: one, it registers young men for the 
draft should they need to be mobilized; but simultaneously, you 
alert them to two opportunities for service now. One, if they 
are ready to sign up for the U.S. military, here is the number 
to call and go for it. The other is if you choose to begin to 
manifest a patriotic feeling, you can also do it in your local 
community by being a scout leader or big brother, and then that 
is the other 800 number that you call.
    But it is a way of reaching out to young men to say, we do 
have an obligation, but you also have a great opportunity for 
immediate service, either in the military or by being a good 
citizen in your neighborhood.
    Is that what we are talking about?
    Mr. Coronado. That is exactly correct, Senator Mikulski. In 
my travels throughout the country, we find that there is a lack 
of communication with our young people. This is one effort to 
get them to think about service to America, either in the 
military or in their local communities.

                RESULTS OF SERVICE TO AMERICA INITIATIVE

    Senator Mikulski. I know my time has expired, but can you 
tell, have there been any concrete results that you can talk 
about that, because of this methodology, x number of young men 
have said military, x number have said local volunteerism?
    Mr. Coronado. This new methodology was implemented 2 days 
ago, so we have no direct results yet. And, it is doubtful that 
with a 1-800 number we would really be able to measure it. It 
is our hope, it is our desire, that we will get the additional 
funds for fiscal year 1998, and then we could include the 
business reply card that would come back to us. It would give 
us an accurate listing of the men who volunteered for the 
military versus the ones who want to serve in the local 
community. At a later date we would be very, very happy to 
share that with you.
    Senator Mikulski. OK.
    Well, Mr. Chairman, I know my time has expired. I want to 
thank Mr. Dola. Four million people visit Arlington. Four 
million people come to Arlington to, of course, visit the 
Kennedy grave and pay our respects to America's heros. I think 
that is an extraordinary, just an extraordinary number of 
visitors. We do not want to call it tourism. They are not 
coming to tour. They are coming to express a feeling, and that 
is an exceptional feeling.
    We look forward to running this place because, in addition 
to providing proper interment and burial services, you have 
this other management responsibility which I think is 
significant. You probably are visited--and please do not 
confuse my vocabulary in any way with demeaning the special 
nature, but you are visited more than a national park, many of 
the national parks.
    I would just hope that we really provide some type of 
understanding of the support that you need, so that you do that 
and at the same time meet the mission, the very honorable and 
sacred mission for which you were established.
    Mr. Dola. Senator Mikulski, we appreciate the understanding 
of this subcommittee for the sacred trust that we try so very 
hard to discharge in a way the subcommittee and Congress and 
the American people will be proud of. We thank you for the 
support that we have had in the past and hope that we will 
merit it in the future.
    Senator Mikulski. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Senator Bond. Thank you very much, Senator Mikulski.
    We are very pleased to be joined by the chairman of the 
full committee, Senator Stevens.

                        STATEMENT OF TED STEVENS

    Senator Stevens. Thank you. I just dropped by to say hello, 
to see what was occurring in terms of this area of your 
jurisdiction, Mr. Chairman.

                      ABMC INFORMATIONAL SERVICES

    I am concerned about the Battle Monuments Commission 
activities. What kind of really informational services do you 
have to let people know where these monuments and memorials and 
cemeteries are overseas?
    General Herrling. Senator Stevens, we have quite an 
extensive program to keep next of kin, friends, and interested 
people informed on just those subjects. Anybody can call or 
write to our office and we will provide them with a letter that 
gives them information concerning their request. We will also 
provide them with general information pamphlets on the 
cemetery. We will tell them how to get there from an airport or 
railroad station. We will have the superintendent, in some 
cases, go to the railroad station or airport to pick up and 
bring the next-of-kin to the cemetery.
    So we provide all that information through correspondence 
daily. We receive probably hundreds of letters every week on 
just that sort of request.

                 ABMC MEMORIAL DAY AND OTHER CEREMONIES

    Senator Stevens. And what do you do to organize the various 
ceremonies on our national days, like Memorial Day or Veterans 
Day, over there?
    General Herrling. Sir, each one of our cemeteries has a 
ceremony on Memorial Day and also on Veterans' Day. It will 
usually involve the U.S. Ambassador to that country as well as 
distinguished military and civilians who live and work in that 
country. They are formal ceremonies. The military, who are 
still stationed throughout Europe, will provide the color 
guards, firing squads, the buglers, to make it truly a 
remembrance type of a ceremony.
    I believe we do this very well and we pretty much mirror 
what is done here in the States for those national holidays.
    Senator Stevens. Many of us travel abroad about that time. 
I remember I was asked to speak in The Netherlands at 
Margraten.
    General Herrling. Margraten.
    Senator Stevens. But I do not remember ever--I have been 
here quite a while, but I do not remember ever anyone sending 
me a notice of where there would be events. I want to ask that 
you undertake the task of sending, at least to the chairman of 
the committees of both the House and the Senate, notice of what 
type of ceremony is going to take place at the monuments and 
memorials under your jurisdiction during the year. I think we 
ought to have a little more attention to paying our respects at 
those areas when we do go overseas.
    I am not asking you for it any more than just once a year, 
to say these are the events that will take place and to offer 
opportunity to our people to visit these sites. I find them 
very rewarding when I visit them, but I do not know how many 
people do that.
    Would you do that for us?
    General Herrling. Senator, we would be delighted. We would 
be delighted to provide that information to members of 
Congress.
    Senator Stevens. Good. Thank you very much. I appreciate 
it.
    Senator Bond. Thank you very much, Senator Stevens.
    Thank you, gentlemen, for joining us today. We will keep 
the record open for questions that other members of the 
committee may have. We do appreciate the opportunity to work 
with you. Our staff will be in contact with you on any further 
questions that may arise and we urge you, as always, to feel 
free to contact the staff. John Kamarck is our new head of the 
staff for this committee and I hope that you will feel free to 
call on him and other members of the staff if you have 
additional views or comments that may be necessary.

                          SUBCOMMITTEE RECESS

    Thank you, and the hearing is recessed.
    [Whereupon, at 11:15 a.m., Tuesday, March 4, the 
subcommittee was recessed, to reconvene subject to the call of 
the Chair.]


 DEPARTMENTS OF VETERANS AFFAIRS AND HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT AND 
        INDEPENDENT AGENCIES APPROPRIATIONS FOR FISCAL YEAR 1998

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                        TUESDAY, MARCH 11, 1997

                                       U.S. Senate,
           Subcommittee of the Committee on Appropriations,
                                                    Washington, DC.
    The subcommittee met at 9:38 a.m., in room SD-138, Dirksen 
Senate Office Building, Hon. Christopher S. Bond (chairman) 
presiding.
    Present: Senators Bond and Mikulski.

                   CONSUMER PRODUCT SAFETY COMMISSION

STATEMENT OF ANN BROWN, CHAIRMAN
ACCOMPANIED BY:
        MARY SHEILA GALL, COMMISSIONER
        THOMAS H. MOORE, VICE CHAIRMAN

                OPENING STATEMENT OF CHRISTOPHER S. BOND

    Senator Bond. The subcommittee will come to order.
    This morning we are very pleased to be able to take 
testimony from three agencies with responsibilities to the 
American consumer, including protecting citizens from injury 
and death associated with consumer products and providing them 
with important information on subjects as diverse as preparing 
a will and eating healthfully.
    The Consumer Product Safety Commission, represented by 
Chairman Ann Brown, is requesting an appropriation of $45 
million, an increase of $2.5 million over the current year. The 
Consumer Information Center, represented by Director Teresa 
Nasif, is requesting $2.1 million. And the Office of Consumer 
Affairs, represented by Director Leslie Byrne, is requesting 
$1.8 million.
    For the most part, these budget requests would fund current 
services without major enhancements in agency operations. 
However, even funding marginal increases necessary for normal 
inflationary adjustments will be tough in the budgetary 
environment in which we are operating.
    If you have had representatives at previous hearings, you 
will know that this committee is blessed with some very 
difficult problems, particularly with respect to the costs of 
HUD and the section 8 contracts.
    Moreover, it will come as no surprise to some of you that I 
continue to have very strong concerns about the redundant role 
of the Office of Consumer Affairs and question why the office 
should be continued. We tried, unsuccessfully, to fulfill the 
President's commitment to streamlining Government activities 
and reducing duplication in the last two appropriations cycles 
by eliminating the Office of Consumer Affairs. And, while I 
received no calls or letters from constituents or consumer 
groups in opposition, the administration insisted on funding 
the organization in fiscal years 1995 and 1996. This was 
disappointing to me.
    In my view, OCA's role has become obsolete as most Federal 
agencies have consumer affairs officers or individuals 
responsible for consumer issues.
    In addition, I have been concerned that in attempting to 
create a role for itself in the last 2 years, OCA has succeeded 
in creating yet another duplicative activity through the 
consumer HelpLine.
    OCA was without a director for several years. Ms. Byrne, 
you are the newly installed director and you will be given the 
opportunity to defend your agency. I have worked with you in 
the past and have great respect for your abilities. It is the 
agency, not the people, that I am concerned about. I will 
require a lot of convincing.
    Now let me turn to my ranking member, Senator Mikulski.
    Good morning, Senator.

                    STATEMENT OF BARBARA A. MIKULSKI

    Senator Mikulski. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and good morning 
to you and to all members of the panel.
    Each and every one of you have worked closely with me in a 
variety of capacities, of course, with both Ms. Brown and Ms. 
Nasif in the committee and with Ms. Byrne when she was a 
Congresswoman, a cousin from the other side of the Potomac who 
knows about the bridges.

                           PREPARED STATEMENT

    Mr. Chairman, in the interest of moving ahead and hearing 
the witnesses, I ask unanimous consent that my statement be 
placed in the record and I look forward to hearing the 
testimony and their answers to our questions.
    Senator Bond. Without objection. Thank you.
    [The statement follows:]

             Prepared Statement of Senator Barbara Mikulski

    Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I know that we have a lot to go through 
this morning so I will be brief.
    We will be hearing testimony from six of the independent agencies 
within the jurisdiction of the VA-HUD Subcommittee: The American Battle 
Monuments Commission, Cemeterial Expenses of the Army, the Consumer 
Information Center, the Consumer Product Safety Commission, the Office 
of Consumer Affairs, and the U.S. Court of Veterans Appeals.
    Collectively, these agencies are requesting $92,091,000 for fiscal 
year 1996 which is an increase of $3.7 million or 4.2 percent above the 
fiscal year 1995 enacted level. The fiscal year 1996 budget request for 
these agencies represents a mere fraction of the $91.2 billion in total 
funding requested by the President for all agencies within this 
Subcommittee's jurisdiction. The relative size of their budget 
requests, however, should in no way diminish the importance of the 
services that these agencies perform.
    The witnesses before us are responsible for commemorating the 
achievements and sacrifices of United States Armed Forces, operating 
and maintaining that sacred area that is Arlington Cemetery, protecting 
and informing America's consumers, and helping to ensure that veterans' 
benefit claims are appropriately and adequately reviewed. This is 
important work, Mr. Chairman.
    My time here this morning is limited, so I will not be able to hear 
all of the witnesses. Let me welcome all of you before the Subcommittee 
as we begin our review of the President's fiscal year 1996 budget 
request. Let me also echo what Senator Bond has said regarding our 
budgetary situation. A freeze at current levels is probably the best 
this Subcommittee can hope for.
    One final thought before we turn to the witnesses. You know, Mr. 
Chairman, the new majority in Congress seems determined to visit some 
version of regulatory reform upon the American people. You are directly 
involved in this effort as the co-Chairman of the regulatory Reform 
Task Force appointed by the Majority Leader here in the Senate.
    I hope that you and many of our colleagues will pay close attention 
to the leadership that Ann Brown has brought to the Consumer Product 
Safety Commission. As Chairman of the CPSC, Ann Brown has streamlined 
and revitalized what had become a dormant agency under previous 
administrations. She has made consumer protection more effective--not 
by making the Federal government more invasive--but instead, working 
cooperatively with consumers and businesses to minimize the risk of 
death and injury from consumer products. Under Ann Brown's leadership, 
the CPSC seeks voluntary compliance if it is at all possible and takes 
mandatory action only when necessary.
    As we consider the issue of regulatory reform here in the Congress, 
Mr. Chairman, we should be looking to the CPSC to see just how the 
Federal government can be made more effective at protecting our 
citizens by ensuring that they are better informed and encouraging 
businesses to pay more attention to safety in their products.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And now, let's here from the witnesses.

                         STATEMENT OF ANN BROWN

    Senator Bond. Now we will turn to the chairman, Ann Brown.
    Ms. Brown. Thank you. Mr. Chairman and members of the 
subcommittee, I am Ann Brown, Chairman of the Consumer Product 
Safety Commission, known as CPSC.
    With me today are Commissioner Mary Sheila Gall and Vice 
Chairman Thomas H. Moore and members of the commission staff.
    I am pleased to have this opportunity to testify in support 
of our fiscal year 1998 appropriation request.
    For the information of any new members, I want to explain 
very briefly who we are and what we do. The Commission was 
established in 1973 by Congress as a five, now a three member 
independent agency with the mission to protect the public 
against unreasonable risks, injury and death from consumer 
products.
    We enforce five Federal statues--the Consumer Product 
Safety Act, the Flammable Fabrics Act, the Poison Prevention 
Packaging Act, the Hazardous Substances Act, and the 
Refrigerator Safety Act. All told, we have jurisdiction over 
15,000 different kinds of consumer products which are found in 
and around the home.
    These products are involved in more than 21,000 deaths and 
over 29 million injuries with a total cost in excess of $200 
billion annually to the Nation.
    At the outset, I want to express our appreciation for our 
fiscal year 1997 appropriation of $42.5 million, the full 
amount requested in the President's budget. These funds are 
being used effectively to protect the American people against 
unreasonable risk of injury or death from dangerous or 
defective consumer products.
    I am especially proud of our Baby Safety Shower Program and 
I want to show a very short tape about it.
    [A videotape was shown.]
    Senator Mikulski. Ms. Brown, how long is this tape?
    Ms. Brown. It goes on for 1 more minute.
    Senator Mikulski. This is a busy day and we do have three 
witnesses.
    Senator Bond. That's all right. It came out of her time. 
[Laughter.]
    Ms. Brown. Then please let me continue.
    In fiscal year 1998, we are requesting an appropriation 
increase to $45 million, an increase of $2.5 million to 
continue and expand our vital work. In preparing our budget, we 
carefully reviewed the needs and contributions of all our three 
operating divisions.
    As a result, we are proposing important investments above 
current service levels in most of these areas. These 
investments total $1.1 million. They include funding of a 
larger number of product incident investigations, support for 
hazard reduction initiatives, including a major effort on fire 
hazards, an innovative compliance investigation program, and 
certain information technology efforts critical to efficient 
agency operations.
    These modest programs requested for 1998 are more than 
justified by our record of accomplishment.

                          PREPARED STATEMENTS

    CPSC has made vital contributions to the 20-percent decline 
in annual deaths and injuries. Past agency work in 
electrocutions, children's poisonings, children's cribs, power 
mowers, and fire safety helps save the Nation almost $7 billion 
annually in health care, property damage, and other societal 
costs--more than 100 times CPSC's annual budget, or about $155 
million in savings for each $1 million of the agency's 1998 
request.
    [The statements follow:]

                    Prepared Statement of Ann Brown

    Mr. Chairman, and members of the Subcommittee, I am Ann Brown, 
Chairman of the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC). With me 
today are Commissioner Mary Sheila Gall, Vice Chairman Thomas H. Moore 
and members of the Commission staff.
    I am pleased to have this opportunity to testify in support of our 
fiscal year 1998 appropriation request.
    For the information of the new members of the Subcommittee, I want 
to explain briefly who we are and what we do. The Commission was 
established in 1973, by Congress as a five, now three, member 
independent agency with a mission to protect the public against 
unreasonable risk of injury or death from consumer products. We enforce 
five federal statutes, the Consumer Product Safety Act, the Flammable 
Fabrics Act, the Poison Prevention Packaging Act, the Hazardous 
Substances Act and the Refrigerator Safety Act. All told, we have 
jurisdiction over 15,000 different kinds of consumer products which are 
found in and around the home. These products are involved in more than 
21,000 deaths, and over 29 million injuries with a total cost in excess 
of $200 billion annually to the nation.

                         RECENT ACCOMPLISHMENTS

    At the outset, I want to express our appreciation for our fiscal 
year 1997 appropriation of $42.5 million, the full amount requested in 
the President's budget. These funds are being used effectively to 
protect the American people against unreasonable risk of injury or 
death from dangerous or defective consumer products.
    I want to tell you just a few of the ways in which we have used the 
taxpayers' hard earned dollars to safeguard their health and safety.
  --In fiscal year 1997 we have negotiated 106 voluntary corrective 
        actions involving 17.2 million consumer product units that 
        violated mandatory safety standards or presented a substantial 
        risk of injury to the public.
  --Also in fiscal year 1997, in partnership with the Customs Service, 
        we stopped 2.8 million dangerous product units from reaching 
        store shelves.
  --We recently issued a rule to alleviate the tip-over hazard of 
        large, multiple tube fireworks. Spectators have been killed 
        when these devices fell over and fired horizontally. The new 
        rule becomes effective this month, well before the fireworks 
        season.
  --In fiscal year 1996 we tested several brands of imported, non-
        glossy vinyl miniblinds and found they contained amounts of 
        lead which would be harmful to young children. When we 
        presented these results to the miniblind industry, the 
        manufacturers voluntarily agreed to change the composition of 
        these products to eliminate the lead.
  --In cooperation with the Gerber Products Company, we continued our 
        campaign this year to promote baby safety events across the 
        country. To demonstrate this program I want to show you a brief 
        excerpt from the CBS Morning News, which broadcast a segment on 
        the kickoff of our program.
    Mr. Chairman, these are just a few of the ways we have used our 
resources to advance consumer product safety in fiscal year 1996 and 
97.
                       FISCAL YEAR 1998 PROGRAMS

    In fiscal year 1998, we are requesting an appropriation increase to 
$45 million, an increase of $2.5 million, to continue and expand our 
vital work. In preparing our budget, we carefully reviewed the needs 
and contributions of our three operating divisions, hazard 
identification and reduction, compliance, and information and 
education. As a result we are proposing important investments above 
current service levels in most of these areas to enhance our ability to 
prevent and reduce the deaths and injuries related to consumer 
products.
    These investments total $1.1 million. They include funding of a 
larger number of product incident investigations, support for hazard 
reduction initiatives (including a major effort on fire hazards), an 
innovative compliance investigation program, increased consumer 
information outreach, and certain information technology efforts 
critical to efficient agency operations.
    In the hazard assessment and reduction area, funding would increase 
by $443,000, with one-third required to maintain current hazard 
reduction activities. The remainder of the increase, $325,000, funds 
critical enhancements in two areas: a partial update of the agency's 
child anthropometric measurements (measurements of children's physical 
dimensions, which are critical to analysis of their injuries); and 
several initiatives to address the nation's high fire death rate. 
Nationally, there were 470,000 residential structure fires in 1993. 
Fire is a leading cause of accidental home deaths among children 
younger than five years old.
    Even though efforts by the agency and the nation's fire prevention 
community have resulted in a steady decline in residential fires, this 
nation's fire death rate remains one of the highest among 
industrialized nations. Past CPSC actions in this area involving, for 
example, cigarette-resistant mattresses and upholstered furniture, 
heating equipment, flame resistant children's sleepwear, and smoke 
detectors have contributed to the general decline in fires and fire 
deaths, and show that the agency can be effective in reducing fire 
hazards.
    The fire-related hazards project continues our 1997 work on 
upholstered furniture, mattresses and bedding, revisions to the apparel 
flammability standard, and fire/gas codes and standards. New activities 
will be undertaken to evaluate the effectiveness of the Commission's 
safety standard on cigarette lighters and to address an emerging 
hazard, fires started by children using multi-purpose lighters. Fire 
investigation training for certain CPSC staff in our field offices is 
also recommended.
    In the Compliance program, we are requesting an increase of about 
$600,000 to enhance the Special Investigations Unit initiative. This 
recently established unit serves to identify and remedy previously 
unidentified and/or technically complex hazards. We believe that much 
of the agency's future work and effectiveness will involve addressing 
more technically complex hazards. The requested funds begin to develop 
the necessary tools to address such hazards. This includes a critically 
important effort to link and integrate agency and non-agency databases 
and the application of rapid product testing and evaluation techniques. 
Advances in this effort will benefit safety work throughout the agency.
    For fiscal year 1998, the information and education program's 
dollars increase by $196,000, with most of the funds necessary to 
maintain the current consumer information efforts in support of agency 
hazard reduction and compliance efforts. An increase of $22,000 will 
allow greater use of cost-effective video news releases to reach the 
public with product recall and other safety information.
    We know the Subcommittee has been especially concerned about the 
level of management expense at the CPSC. Accordingly, I want to inform 
you about a change I instituted in all CPSC programs. I have made it a 
policy that managers must be working supervisors, sharing the 
substantive work with our staff. Recognizing the Subcommittee's desire 
to reduce administrative expenses, we have worked to do so, and have 
achieved a 21 percent decrease since 1989. Only 19 percent of our 
fiscal year 1998 budget funds administrative needs, down from 24 
percent in 1989.
    The modest program increases requested for fiscal year 1998 are 
more than justified by our record of accomplishment. CPSC has made 
vital contributions to the 20 percent decline in annual deaths and 
injuries related to consumer products that occurred between 1980 and 
1993. Past agency work in electrocutions, children's poisonings, 
children's cribs, power mowers, and fire safety helps save the nation 
almost $7 billion annually in health care, property damage, and other 
societal costs--more than 100 times CPSC's annual budget or about $155 
million in savings for each $1 million of the agency's 1998 request. 
The agency expects its 1993 standard to make cigarette lighters child 
resistant to save over $400 million in societal costs and prevent up to 
100 deaths annually. Similarly, the agency expects its work in curbing 
carbon monoxide (CO) poisoning to reduce societal costs by one billion 
dollars annually. CPSC removal of dangerous fireworks from the 
marketplace prevents about 14,000 injuries each year.
    As you know, Mr. Chairman, I stress a cooperative, non-adversarial 
approach to business whenever possible. My first priority is to achieve 
voluntary compliance with our laws and rules. For this reason, I am 
particularly proud of our record of working cooperatively with 
industry. Since I became Chairman in 1994, the CPSC has developed 27 
voluntary standards with manufacturers, while issuing only 10 mandatory 
regulations, a ratio of almost 3-1 voluntary to mandatory standards.
    I have also emphasized my belief in the product safety triangle, 
where business, consumers and government each have an equal role to 
play. The Commission should not become overly invasive. We cannot and 
should not attempt to protect consumers from every possible risk of 
injury from consumer products. There are limits to what government can 
achieve.
    In this connection, Mr. Chairman, I want to tell you what we have 
done to implement your bill, S. 942 (Public Law 104-121), the Small 
Business Regulatory Enforcement Fairness Act.
    First, on October 9, 1996, the Commission adopted a regulation 
establishing a CPSC Small Business Ombudsman and a Small Business 
Enforcement Policy. The Ombudsman, Clarence Bishop, who is also Deputy 
Executive Director, has answered more than 700 calls on a special toll-
free hotline from small businesses seeking product safety information. 
Over 80 percent of the callers received a personal response to their 
inquiry from our staff within 3 business days. This service helps small 
businesses get important information quickly, and, at the same time, 
furthers public safety.
    Second, we have scrupulously followed the Congressional review 
procedures set forth in the law. We have issued four rules since the 
Act's effective date--none of which were ``major'' rules. In each 
instance, we submitted the required reports to Congress and the General 
Accounting Office on a timely basis.
    Third, we are near completion of a compliance guide for our 
February, 1997, revisions to the fireworks fuse burn time regulation, 
which were unanimously supported by industry and safety groups. Our 
Economics staff concluded in its regulatory flexibility analysis that 
these changes will benefit small businesses by making it easier for 
them to comply with the fuse burn time standard.
    Finally, consistent with the purpose of your legislation, in June 
1996, we co-sponsored a Small Business Conference with the 
International Consumer Product Health and Safety Organization. More 
than 130 representatives of small businesses participated in panels 
designed to assist them in complying with our laws and regulations.
               reduced funding limits commission programs
    As you know, in a concurrent submission to this Subcommittee and 
the OMB in September 1996, the Commission requested a budget of $49.7 
million for fiscal year 1998. The OMB reduced our budget request to $45 
million. Although this reduction of $4.7 million seems small, it will 
have a negative impact on our efforts to protect the health and safety 
of American children and families.
    For example, we proposed to invest $800,000 to update the 
Commission's 20 year old child anthropometry data. This information is 
essential for effectively addressing product hazards to children. Due 
to the rejection of this request, our effort in this area will have to 
be spread over several years, thereby hampering our efforts to protect 
one of our most vulnerable populations, children.
    Earlier in my testimony I mentioned our program to reduce deaths 
and injuries from household fires. We requested $500,000 for this 
project, but due to the budget reduction, we will be able to invest 
only half that amount in fiscal year 1998. The continuing high cost of 
fires justifies a greater investment and more innovative activities. 
The increased funds would have provided a mix of research and action 
items to address the many complex aspects of the fire problem. These 
items could include a cost-benefit evaluation of fire suppression 
devices, research to refine our knowledge of the causes of fire deaths 
to help identify appropriate prevention strategies, and the 
investigation of new product-specific hazards. These efforts would have 
provided a broader, more inclusive attack on the nation's fire 
problems. Since we were denied these funds, we will not be able to 
protect the public as well as we could from death and injury due to 
fire hazards.
             investment in information technology is needed
    In the past, agency funds invested in information technology have 
saved many thousands of hours of staff time for the Commission, 
improving our effectiveness and efficiency enormously. We have used 
these funds to develop discrete databases, to network the agency's 
computer system, and to move our data systems from a mainframe computer 
located at another federal agency to our own local network. 
Unfortunately, our fiscal year 1998 budget request would barely 
maintain our capabilities in this area. The proposed funding level 
leaves no resources to implement further technological advances, and 
only permits minimal investment to meet the new requirements of the 
recent Freedom of Information Act amendments (which require that most 
requested material be in electronic format and available over the 
Internet).
    An additional investment of $1,000,000 would allow us to respond 
faster and better to product hazards, saving more lives and preventing 
more injuries, and would help us implement the new FOIA law. As you 
know, CPSC is a data-driven agency that carries out its mission with a 
sense of urgency, since quick action by the agency saves lives. To 
provide even greater benefits to American consumers, we would like to 
establish an integrated information system at the agency that would 
give staff access to a much larger universe of product safety data and 
would improve the speed with which staff could gain access to that 
data.
    This system would integrate the agency's databases, and other data 
and documents not included in our current databases, allowing CPSC 
employees to get all the information the agency has on a particular 
product hazard using one quick and easy information request. Currently, 
gathering all such information can take weeks.
    Let me give you an example. Last year, CPSC's Compliance Office 
became aware of the suffocation death of a toddler who had been trapped 
in a cedar chest. To discover whether similar incidents had occurred in 
the past, the compliance officer searched each database in the agency 
individually, which took approximately two hours of staff time. Without 
recent improvements in information technology, she would have conducted 
these searches manually, which could have taken days, if not weeks.
    However, our system only allowed her to search for information that 
was available in certain discrete databases, which includes less than 
50 percent of all the information that has been developed by the agency 
since its establishment. If we had an integrated database, this same 
search could have been conducted in a matter of minutes, instead of 
hours, and would have represented a complete review of all information 
developed by the Commission, not just what is in currently available 
databases.
    In this particular case, the compliance officer did identify 
additional deaths of children who had become entrapped in a cedar chest 
manufactured by the same company. This data enabled us to reach 
agreement with the company to repair 12 million cedar chests currently 
in the hands of consumers. However, if it had been necessary for the 
staff to obtain more information before action could be taken, such as 
staff reports on toy chest entrapments or product safety assessments 
conducted by staff years ago on similar products, it would have taken 
weeks or months to locate the information through a manual search of 
Commission files and archives. Meanwhile, unrepaired chests would 
remain with consumers, threatening the safety of millions of children.
    This demonstrates that the benefits of an additional investment in 
CPSC information technology will far outweigh the slight increase in 
our appropriation.

                               CONCLUSION

    In conclusion, Mr. Chairman, the CPSC is a great value to the 
American people. By every rational cost-benefit measure we save the 
taxpayer many times our budget in deaths, injuries and property damage 
prevented. Accordingly, we urge you to appropriate not only the full 
amount requested, we also hope you can find an additional $1 million, 
within the Subcommittee's budget allocation, and within the framework 
of the President's balanced budget for necessary enhancement of our 
information technology.
                                 ______
                                 

                 Prepared Statement of Mary Sheila Gall

    I support the request of the Commission for $45 million for fiscal 
year 1998. Since my vote was against the original request to the Office 
of Management and Budget and Congress, I want to explain to the 
Subcommittee why I now support the budget request.
    In July 1996 I opposed the staff-proposed fiscal year 1998 budget 
of $49.9 million. I did so with reluctance, since many of the proposals 
to increase funding lay in areas such as additional laboratory 
equipment and other infrastructure expenditures that I have 
traditionally supported. My opposition to this budget proposal stemmed 
mainly from the fact that it proposed to spend 17 percent more in 
fiscal year 1998 than the request made by the Commission for fiscal 
year 1997. I recognize the importance of the mission and the operations 
of the Commission, but that importance must be balanced by the 
necessity to keep planning for future expenditures closer to probable 
increases.
    I supported certain portions of the staff-proposed budget. Current 
services needed to be funded and the cuts of fiscal year 1996 had to be 
restored. The Commission's accounting system needs modernizing and 
additional money for training is essential. But I did not agree that 
all of the proposed expenditures were as worthy as others. For example, 
I support increased expenditures to reduce fire deaths and injuries, 
but did not believe that several of the projects contained in the staff 
proposal represented a wise use of Commission resources. Similarly, the 
$40,000 proposed project to evaluate recall effectiveness struck me as 
less than crucial. Finally, many of the staff-proposed spending 
increases could be deferred to subsequent fiscal years.
    I am pleased to support the Commission's budget request contained 
within the President's budget request. This Commission performs a 
valuable public service by seeking to prevent injuries and death 
associated with the use of consumer products. I think that this 
Committee should note that, while many agencies within its jurisdiction 
seek benefits that will accrue in the distant future, the Commission's 
activities prevent deaths and injuries in the near term. This 
observation does not mean that the activities of those agencies are 
unimportant, but the immediacy of the benefits that this Commission's 
activities confer upon the American public ought to be a factor when 
this Subcommittee considers the appropriation request of this 
Commission along with the appropriations requests made by other 
agencies.
    The details of the Commission's fiscal year 1998 Budget Request 
have been set forth in the Chairman's Statement and I have nothing to 
add to that portion of her Statement.

                     Additional committee questions

    Senator Bond. Thank you very much, Chairman Brown.
    [The following questions were not asked at the hearing, but 
were submitted to the Agency for response subsequent to the 
hearing:]

                  Questions Submitted by Senator Bond

                               cpsc fte's
    Question. CPSC currently has on-board approximately 455 staff; your 
FTE ceiling is 487 FTE, and your fiscal year 1998 request would fund 
480 FTE. How much could we save if you did no hiring, and maintained 
staff at the current level of 455?
    Answer. First, the agency is no longer at the 455 employee level. 
Current employment is 460 and climbing. We have announcements 
outstanding to bring us up to 480 employees very shortly. We are 
aggressively hiring new employees because our product safety work has 
been hurt by staff vacancies caused by 1996 budget uncertainties and 
funding delays. Staff has been doing a tremendous job of covering for 
the vacant positions but productivity will soon suffer without 
additional staff support.
    Second, CPSC is already about half the size it was in 1980, and we 
have worked very hard to keep productivity up despite reduced staff 
resources. Since our specialized and highly skilled workforce is our 
chief asset (comprising 75 percent of our entire budget), cutting staff 
time further would reduce our product safety work now and for many 
years to come. While an FTE cut of 5 percent to 455 would reduce salary 
costs by about $1 million, this savings would be more than offset by a 
significant erosion in our life-saving safety work. Past work by the 
agency shows savings to society of at least $155 million each year for 
every $1 million spent on the agency.
    Finally, CPSC has already cut down on agency administrative support 
as much as we can. Since 1994, due to budget and FTE reductions, we cut 
support staff and contracted out such administrative functions as 
copier, mail and library services. Any further reductions in 
administrative staff would not be prudent given the size of our agency 
and our management needs. Therefore, most additional staff cuts would 
come from our programmatic work. In short, staff reductions would 
translate into fewer investigations, fewer product recalls, and fewer 
interceptions of hazardous products entering the country.

                            1998 PRIORITIES

    Question. What would you list as your top three priorities for 
fiscal year 1998?
    Answer. All of CPSC's efforts make a vital contribution to reducing 
the nation's $200 billion annual cost associated with product hazards. 
Our top priorities for 1998 are:
    1. Maintaining our current safety program in 1998. This requires 
funding of approximately $2 million ($1.2 million for salary and space 
costs, $300,000 for a Year 2000 compliant accounting system, $300,000 
for increased retirement costs and $200,000 to implement new FOIA 
requirements).
    2. Pursuing new safety initiatives to reduce fires, update the 
nation's child measurement database, and expand the Special 
Investigations Unit initiative. These initiatives are critical to our 
efforts to further reduce the nation's high fire death rate, increase 
protections for children from product hazards, and improve our ability 
to identify and remedy technically-complex product hazards. These 
programs require funding of approximately $1 million.
    3. Information technology investment. The agency has increased its 
product safety productivity in part by using information technology. 
Without further investment, aging information systems jeopardize our 
ability to pursue current activities and dim the possibilities of 
future gains in productivity. We would need about $1 million to 
properly upgrade and improve current systems to meet future workload 
and to make greater reductions in deaths and injuries.

                         MULTI-PURPOSE LIGHTERS

    Question. Your budget request proposes several new program 
initiatives, including $283,000 to address the nation's high death and 
injury rate from fire. Your budget justification indicates in 1998 CPSC 
will undertake activities to address fires started by children using 
multi-purpose lighters. How did this particular issue emerge as a top 
priority for fiscal year 1998? What specifically do you propose to do 
with the requested funds, and what particular activities do you 
anticipate in fiscal year 1998 to address the issue (such as 
regulations or working with industry on a voluntary basis)?
    Answer. Multi-purpose lighters are lighters with long nozzles that 
are most commonly used to light charcoal or gas grills, fireplaces and 
pilot lights on gas appliances. In 1997, the Commission considered a 
petition requesting that multi-purpose lighters be child-resistant. The 
Commission granted that petition and initiated a new rulemaking 
activity by issuing an Advance Notice of Proposed Rulemaking to require 
these lighters to be child-resistant. The Commission noted that a 
standard may be needed to reduce the fire hazard to children under 5 
years of age starting fires while playing with this product.
    The Commission is aware of 67 incidents since 1988 involving fires 
started by children under age 5 using multi-purpose lighters. These 
fires resulted in 10 deaths and 26 injuries. Children under age 5 
typically are incapable of dealing with a fire once started. This puts 
them and their families at special risk of injury. Almost all of the 10 
fatalities were the children who started the fires. For example, a 4-
year-old girl died last September when she set her day bed on fire 
while playing with a multi-purpose lighter.
    Multi-purpose lighters are relatively new products which were 
introduced to the U.S. market in 1985. Since then sales have increased 
steadily. One million units were sold in 1985; in 1996, 20 million 
units were sold. With increasing sales and the attractiveness of these 
lighters to young children, the Commission is acting to address the 
fire hazard before the deaths and injuries increase.
    In 1998, the Commission will continue working with a contractor to 
build surrogate lighters and to test several different multi-purpose 
lighters to determine how child-resistant they are for children under 
age 5. These results will be used to prepare a cost/benefit analysis 
for the proposed regulation.
    The Commission will decide whether to issue a proposed standard in 
1998 and will participate in the development of a voluntary standard if 
the industry decides to initiate action to address this problem 
voluntarily.

                CIGARETTE LIGHTERS/COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS

    Question. I'd like to understand better how the agency does cost-
benefit analyses. In your statement, you say that CPSC's 1993 standard 
to make cigarette lighters child resistant saves over $400 million in 
societal costs. Please explain the basis for this estimate, and more 
generally the process for conducting cost-benefit studies.
    Answer.

Cigarette Lighter Standard

    Prior to this standard, fires started by children under 5 years of 
age playing with cigarette lighters resulted in 150 deaths, 1,200 
injuries, and $70 million in property damage annually, for a total 
societal cost of about $900 million (about $750 million in fatality 
costs, over $60 million in injury costs, and about $70 million in 
property damage).
    The child resistant features of lighters are expected to reduce 
incidents by up to 70 percent, resulting in $500 million dollars of 
benefits. Taking into account the estimated $90 million in added costs 
to comply with the standard, the estimated net benefits to society are 
about $400 million per year.

Cost-Benefit Analysis at CPSC

    Under several of the Acts enforced by CPSC, prior to promulgation 
of a new regulation, the Commission must find that the benefits 
expected from a rule bear a reasonable relationship to the costs. In 
developing a safety regulation, CPSC examines the benefits and costs of 
alternative ways of addressing consumer product hazards. The process 
involves identifying the extent to which specific remedies will reduce 
product-related injuries and deaths. It also includes identification 
and estimation of the full range of costs to society of each potential 
remedial action.
    The benefits of a regulation include preventing injuries, deaths, 
and (sometimes) property damage from hazardous products. CPSC's Injury 
Cost Model estimates direct costs (e.g., medical, foregone earnings) 
and indirect costs (e.g., pain and suffering) of injuries reported 
through the National Electronic Injury Surveillance System and other 
injury data sources.
    The costs to society of addressing a product hazard include the 
cost of modifying a product design to make it safer or sometimes simply 
modifying the product labeling or packaging. Also the Agency takes into 
account estimated effects of increased consumer prices and product 
utility. In developing a rule, the estimated benefits are compared to 
the estimated costs; other economic factors that are not readily 
quantifiable are also considered (e.g., small business effects, effects 
on competition).


                    GENERAL SERVICES ADMINISTRATION

                      Consumer Information Center

STATEMENT OF TERESA NASIF, DIRECTOR
    Senator Bond. Now we will hear from Director Nasif.
    I apologize if I have mispronounced your name. If you 
would, tell us the proper pronunciation and present your 
testimony. Thank you.
    Ms. Nasif. It's Nasif, yes, as you said it.
    Mr. Chairman and members of the subcommittee, thank you for 
the opportunity to present the fiscal year 1998 budget request 
for the Consumer Information Center.
    With me today is Bill Early, Director of Budget of the 
General Services Administration.
    Established more than a quarter century ago, CIC continues 
to successfully carry out its vital mission mandate of helping 
Federal departments and agencies inform the public about health 
and safety issues, developments in Federal programs, and the 
impact and effects of Federal research and regulatory actions.
    Today, many elements of the CIC program remain the same: an 
essential mission mandate; a commitment to serve the American 
public; and the firm support of the administration and this 
committee.
    However, the CIC Program is going through a time of change 
that reflects a new environment in Government and in customer 
behavior. Overall, Federal agencies have reduced the scope of 
their publishing activities due to budget constraints, and the 
American public is placing fewer orders for merchandise, 
including information, by mail.
    CIC is meeting these challenges in two ways. First, we have 
redoubled efforts to identify private sector partners who share 
Federal information goals and can provide resources to stretch 
limited Federal dollars. Second, CIC has set up telephone 
ordering systems for both the consumer information catalog and 
its listed publications.
    CIC has implemented a toll free number--1-888-8PUEBLO--for 
citizens to call to receive a copy of the catalog. Also, I am 
pleased to report that, beginning with the spring 1997 edition, 
all copies of the catalog will include a telephone number for 
placing publication orders at the Pueblo facility.
    Citizens pay for these calls, thereby sharing in the 
expense of the program. Making access easier and quicker will 
encourage more Americans to take advantage of the wealth of 
information available from the Federal Government.
    CIC remains in the forefront of Federal electronic 
dissemination. The public will access the CIC Internet web site 
more than 3 million times in fiscal year 1997. This is a 
threefold increase since its inception in fiscal year 1995.
    While Americans can now access CIC either electronically or 
by phone, our address, Pueblo, CO, 81009, remains one of the 
best known addresses in the country where Americans order 
millions of publications published by more than 40 Federal 
departments and agencies.
    The Government Printing Office facility in Pueblo provides 
order fulfillment services for tens of thousands of orders 
received weekly as a result of the promotion that we do. During 
fiscal year 1996, consumers ordered 7 million publications from 
CIC, and in the years ahead we will continue our efforts to 
make helpful information available to all citizens, whether 
they are seeking it by computer or by mail.
    We are very committed to maintaining a vigorous publication 
distribution program in recognition of the fact that most 
Americans still continue to receive their information primarily 
through traditional print channels.
    Our ongoing efforts to identify and obtain valuable Federal 
information, our media and marketing programs, our centralized 
distribution system, and our widely acclaimed electronic 
information activities all combine to make CIC an essential 
source for citizens needing vital consumer information from 
their Federal Government.
    Mr. Chairman, we trust that the committee will agree that 
CIC is a valuable Federal program and that you will look 
favorably upon our request.
    Thank you.
    Senator Bond. Thank you very much, Director Nasif.
    [The statement follows:]

                   Prepared Statement of Teresa Nasif

    Mr. Chairman and Members of the Subcommittee, thank you for the 
opportunity to present the fiscal year 1998 budget request of the 
Consumer Information Center (CIC).
    Established more than a quarter of a century ago, the Consumer 
Information Center continues to successfully carry out its vital 
mission mandate: Help federal departments and agencies inform the 
public about health and safety issues, developments in federal 
programs, and the impact and effects of federal research and regulatory 
actions. To ensure that the public is made aware of and has easy access 
to this information, CIC promotes the information through a dynamic 
media and marketing program and disseminates it through print and 
electronic outlets.
    Today, many elements of the CIC program remain the same: An 
essential mission mandate; a commitment to serve the American public; 
and the firm support of the Administration and this Committee. However, 
the CIC program is going through a time of change that reflects a new 
environment in government and in customer behavior. Overall, federal 
agencies have reduced the scope of their publishing activities due to 
budget constraints. And the American public is placing fewer and fewer 
orders for merchandise, including information, by mail.
    CIC is meeting these challenges in two ways: First, we have 
redoubled efforts to identify private sector partners who share federal 
information goals and can provide resources to stretch limited federal 
dollars. For example, CIC has forged an alliance with the Metropolitan 
Life Insurance Company's Consumer Education Center to help educate 
consumers by developing publications on such diverse topics as starting 
a business, planning for college, making a will, and doing your taxes. 
And second, CIC has set up telephone ordering systems for both the 
Consumer Information Catalog and its listed publications. In 
partnership with GSA's Federal Information Center Program, CIC has 
implemented a toll-free number (1-888-8 PUEBLO) for citizens to call to 
receive a copy of the Catalog. IRS will place the number in a message 
on the back of one million tax refund check envelopes and CIC will use 
the number in our new television public service ads to be released in 
May 1997.
    Also, I am pleased to report that, beginning with the spring 1997 
edition, all copies of the Catalog will include instructions for 
placing publication orders by telephoning the Pueblo facility at 719-
948-4000. Citizens pay for these toll calls, thereby sharing in the 
expense of the program. Making access easier and quicker will encourage 
more Americans to take advantage of the wealth of information available 
from the federal government.
    And CIC remains in the forefront of federal electronic 
dissemination as more and more schools, libraries, and families are 
accessing information through the Internet. The public will access the 
CIC website more than 3 million times in fiscal year 1998, a threefold 
increase since its inception in fiscal year 1995. In recognition of the 
value of CIC's website, plans are underway to display CIC's Home Page 
address at the top of the newly revised ``Blue Pages'' listing of 
government agencies that will be in thousands of local telephone 
directories nationwide. This is part of the Administration's effort to 
make government more easily accessible to citizens.
    While Americans can now access CIC information electronically and 
order publications by phone, ``Pueblo, Colorado 81009'' remains one of 
the best known addresses in the country where Americans order millions 
of publications published by more than 40 federal departments and 
agencies. The Government Printing Office facility in Pueblo provides 
warehousing and order fulfillment services for tens of thousands of 
orders received weekly as a result of the Catalog, media mentions, and 
marketing promotions done by CIC. During fiscal year 1996, consumers 
ordered seven million copies of federal publications from CIC. In the 
years ahead, CIC will continue its efforts to ensure delivery of 
services to all citizens and to make helpful information available to 
all citizens whether they are seeking information by computer or mail. 
We are very committed to maintaining a vigorous publication 
distribution program in recognition of the fact that most Americans 
still continue to receive their information through traditional print 
channels.
    CIC's ongoing efforts to identify and obtain valuable federal 
information, its media and marketing programs, its centralized 
distribution system based in Pueblo, Colorado, and its widely acclaimed 
electronic information activities--all complement each other and 
combine to make CIC an essential source for citizens desiring unbiased 
and vital consumer information from their federal government. CIC 
remains uniquely positioned among federal agencies to perform the 
services it has so effectively delivered to the American public since 
1970.
    Mr. Chairman, again I thank you for the privilege of being here 
today on behalf of the Consumer Information Center to present its 
budget request for fiscal year 1998. We trust that the Committee will 
agree that CIC is a valuable federal program and that it will look 
favorably upon our request. At this time, I would be pleased to answer 
any questions you may have.


                DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES

                       Office of Consumer Affairs

STATEMENT OF LESLIE L. BYRNE, DIRECTOR AND SPECIAL 
            ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT
    Senator Bond. Now we will hear from Director Byrne.
    Ms. Byrne. Thank you, Chairman Bond and Senator Mikulski. 
Thank you for giving us this opportunity. We have submitted our 
formal statement for the record, but I would like to make some 
brief comments.
    Senator Bond. Thank you. All of your statements will be 
made a part of the record in full. I should have mentioned that 
earlier.
    Ms. Byrne. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Because we have received a generous offer from a group who 
purport to be Nigerian Government officials, we will not need 
an appropriation for fiscal year 1998 and we will turn money 
back to the Treasury. [Laughter.]
    They say they find themselves with a somewhat embarrassing 
surplus of 28.6 million U.S. dollars as a result of an 
intentionally overinvoiced contract. They have graciously 
offered us 30 percent if we will bank the entire sum for them 
in the United States and supply them with several items of 
personal information, including our bank account numbers.
    Their letter closes with, ``Let honesty and trust be our 
watchwords,'' so it must be legitimate. [Laughter.]
    Although this scam is almost laughably transparent, Mr. 
Chairman, it is a prime example of the type of fraud based on 
illegal use of personal information that we have focused much 
of our consumer education, policy development, and coordination 
efforts on at OCA in the last year.
    We are the only agency with White House responsibility to 
coordinate and monitor Federal consumer programs, identify 
consumer needs, and educate and advocate for consumers.
    Because we are nonregulatory, we have no mixed mission or 
restrictions on our role to represent consumers.
    Mr. Chairman, you have our budget request before you. It 
shows that we understood what this committee was saying last 
year about cutting the cost of Government, reducing its size 
and making it more efficient. We are reorganizing, using 
technology to make us more productive, helping consumers in a 
faster, cheaper, and better way, including our HelpLine with 
the new database that allows us to track consumer complaints 
and developing web links with the Federal Trade Commission and 
other agencies.
    Our emphasis is on providing consumers the tools to help 
themselves because it is far cheaper and more efficient than 
fixing problems after the fact.
    For every one of these Nigerian frauds or other frauds like 
them, even if the authorities can catch the perpetrators, the 
likelihood is that they will only retrieve 10 cents on every 
dollar lost. So education and information are the key to 
protecting consumers and they are the ones who can protect 
themselves the best.
    Because of the shift in our economy, we are looking at a 
White House conference on consumer issues. We have gone from an 
industrial based economy to a service and information economy. 
Our consumer laws really are there for tangible things, for 
products. We have yet to wrestle with the greater questions of 
how to protect somebody from a European travel scam as opposed 
to a product that is faulty.
    So we want a national focus on this new paradigm through 
this White House conference.
    Our long-term goals are very simple--to create a fair shake 
marketplace through disclosure of information, choice, access, 
and redress. These are the principles of good consumerism.
    We plan to recognize organizations that adopt these 
principles.
    Finally, Mr. Chairman, we plan to continue working with 
members of Congress, this committee, and other agencies on 
specific consumer information and education issues, in town 
meetings, in joint seminar formats on topics such as privacy, 
fraud, financial management--a growing concern--and a new 
concern, military families, with these being targeted for 
fraudulent efforts.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman for your attention.
    [The statement follows:]

                 Prepared Statement of Leslie L. Byrne

    Mr. Chairman and distinguished members of the Subcommittee, I am 
pleased to come before you today to present our fiscal year 1998 
budget, to review the progress USOCA has made toward addressing the 
concerns expressed by this committee, and to share our plans for the 
coming year.
    Our fiscal year 1998 budget request is for $1,800,000 and 13 Full-
Time Equivalent staff positions.
    Our Agency's Mission remains unique. Our charge is to be the 
consumer advocate within the Executive Branch, both domestically and in 
the international marketplace. Because USOCA is non-regulatory, it is 
our singular conviction that we can better protect consumers by giving 
them the tools they need to protect themselves, through education and 
information. This becomes an even more important concept in an era of 
deregulation.
    This Committee has rightly expressed its concern about government's 
role, outdated and costly regulations, duplication of efforts, and the 
need for a smaller but more effective government. We at USOCA have 
heard your message loud and clear. In listening to the concerns of the 
American people, we have also heard loud and clear that they want 
consumer education and protection that must be strengthened, not 
endangered.
    To meet this committee's and the public's concerns, we continue to 
re-tool USOCA's organizational structure. I am in the process of 
reorganizing staff and functions to be more responsive. We are 
currently developing our performance measurement standards and 
indicators to meet GPRA's September 1997 deadline. Through these 
initiatives, we are becoming a more results oriented agency whose 
progress towards the goal of consumer education and information will be 
accurately measured. To further fulfill our mission, USOCA is 
reenergizing the Consumer Affairs Council (as mandated by Executive 
Orders 11583 and 12160). This will allow government agencies to reduce 
duplication and avoid redundancies in consumer policy.

                               PRIORITIES

    USOCA continues to focus its efforts in three primary areas of 
consumer concern: privacy; fraud; and the integrity of the marketplace. 
We addressed these areas through information and education with special 
emphasis on underserved populations. We are also working to improve 
responsiveness by both government and industry to consumer complaints 
and inquires. Based on these three areas, real accomplishments were 
gained during fiscal year 1997 and specific initiatives are identified 
for fiscal year 1998.

                           PRIVACY PROTECTION

    The public's desire for protection from intrusiveness grows and 
touches every institution. Government agencies, multimillion-dollar 
corporations, ``mom and pop'' operations, are being more vigorously 
challenged in their information gathering. Consumers want to be told, 
in language they can understand, why information is being collected, 
what will be done with it, and who will have access to it. People want 
to be sure the information they give is pertinent to transactions, and 
will not be used or sold for other purposes without their prior 
approval. All of us want to be able to see what is being collected 
about us and to have an uncomplicated way to correct errors and/or 
include explanations.
    Because of increased data collection and technology, we are seeing 
a national increase in identity theft. USOCA continues its cyber-fraud 
prevention efforts by informing the public on ways to protect 
themselves from identity theft and securing personal information on the 
Internet. Using traditional media such as print articles, press 
releases, T.V., speeches, brochures, etc., we have reached hundreds of 
thousands of Americans with information they can use to protect their 
personal information. We want to expand these efforts in fiscal year 
1998 by establishing and maintaining a web-site with this information.
    On the international front, the absence of a U.S. privacy policy is 
at odds with our European trading partners stance on the issue of 
privacy. American companies may face self-imposed trade barriers if 
USOCA cannot continue its work in harmonizing global marketplace 
privacy protection guidelines.
    A major illustration of USOCA's work in this area was as a catalyst 
in alerting the nation to the fact that personal information about 
consumers was being gathered and often used for purposes other than 
those for which the information was volunteered. Our work with industry 
improved communication between providers and consumers on this issue. 
We have persuaded many corporations to give the public a choice about 
how their personal information is used--by permitting consumers to 
determine whether or not the information they give a company will be 
shared with other companies, (for example, information on credit 
applications). At the same time, USOCA organized a working group of 
Federal agency representatives to examine the issues and privacy policy 
options. During our National Consumers Week Kickoff Conference in 
October 1995 at the White House, this group, called the Privacy Task 
Force, released the Federal Privacy Principles--guidance for industry, 
government, and individuals about how to protect personal privacy.
    In 1997-98, USOCA and the Privacy Task Force will continue working 
with government agencies and the private sector (both domestic and 
international) to refine and adapt the Privacy Principles, for 
implementation, particularly by users of the information superhighway. 
Increasingly, the World Wide Web and other electronic tools are being 
used for consumer purchases of products and services and interactions 
with government. The success of electronic commerce and the Internet 
depends on consumers belief in the security and integrity of this new 
medium. To achieve the full potential of the electronic marketplace, 
consumers want to be protected from a loss of control of personal 
information and, in the worst case, fraud. With personal, financial, 
health and other sensitive information going directly into computer 
data bases for storage, retrieval and manipulation, the need for 
consumer confidence in the security and control of that information is 
critical.
    It is USOCA's belief that the need for information by government 
and industry can be balanced with consumers' desire to preserve their 
privacy and control the use of personal data. Our goal is to protect 
consumers while encouraging growth and innovation in the use of 
telecommunications and information management technology. We find that 
industry shares our belief that a balance can be struck without 
unnecessary and burdensome regulation.
    We will continue to work with industry, government and consumers to 
achieve this goal. To lead by example we are developing a program to 
publicly recognize those who contribute to the protection of consumer 
privacy. This honor would be an award presented annually to various 
business, non-profit, government, and consumer organizations for 
outstanding efforts in privacy protection, particularly in areas where 
technological advancements encroach on personal privacy.

                       CONSUMER FRAUD PREVENTION

    USOCA continues its efforts to raise consumer awareness about 
fraud. Scams and fraud cost consumers over $100 billion annually in 
America. A new and growing target of fraud is military families. USOCA 
is working with the military personnel and their spouses to reduce the 
number of families harmed by these scams.
    Additionally, the growing use of credit and debit cards, of 
telephone and of Internet for purchasing goods and services, multiplies 
opportunities for fraud and increases the need for consumer education. 
USOCA is working closely with major credit card companies, media, trade 
associations, and consumer organizations to promote extensive consumer 
education campaigns. In addition, USOCA will continue to work with the 
Department of Treasury and other agencies overseeing electronic 
commerce to ensure that consumers know how to protect themselves from 
fraud. Again our proposed web site will allow the public to 
electronically access USOCA publications and information directly. 
Because the problems of consumer fraud require constant attention, we 
will publish an updated version of our popular pamphlet, ``Too Good To 
Be True.'' This newest edition of the publication will be the 
centerpiece of an anti-fraud campaign in 1998.

               TELECOMMUNICATIONS AND TELEMARKETING FRAUD

    Currently, USOCA's policy development efforts focus primarily on 
the profound changes that technological advances in telecommunications 
and information management have wrought in the marketplace. These 
changes acutely affect consumers, with potential for both good and ill, 
and create a need for government and industry to find means to balance 
the consumer/provider interests and promote probity and fairness in the 
marketplace.
    For example, as a result of consumer complaints to USOCA's toll-
free National Consumer HelpLine, our office, in cooperation with the 
Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and the Federal Communications 
Commission (FCC), convened a series of industry/consumer/government 
meeting on abuses in the telephone information services industry. The 
initial meeting, held early in fiscal year 1996, alerted the industry 
and Federal regulatory agencies to significant problems with ``pay-per-
call'' information services, despite recent legislation. Subsequently, 
a second USOCA-convened meeting was held to develop proposals for 
voluntary action on these problems. A third meeting produced major 
changes in the industries ethical guidelines. With the passage of The 
Communications Act of 1996 and the proposed legislation, 
``Telemarketing Fraud Punishment and Prevention Act of 1996'', Congress 
may further authorize regulatory action that will resolve some of the 
problems consumers are experiencing. Prevention still remains the best 
antidote to fraud.
            outreach and serving the underserved populations
    Outreach is a critical element in the success of USOCA's mission, 
especially to consumers who have traditionally been underserved: the 
disabled, frail, elderly, geographically isolated, ethnically diverse. 
Through consumer dialogues we have worked with neighborhood leaders to 
discuss the concerns and problems of consumers in their communities. 
Most importantly, community leaders have given us their recommendations 
on how government and the private sector can improve the delivery of 
consumer information to diverse communities.
    USOCA is successfully recruiting leaders from ethnic communities to 
advise this office on consumer issues that affect diverse communities. 
Our goal is to build an ``early warning system'' with these groups to 
keep consumer problems from becoming larger, which leads to regulations 
or legislation that could be avoided if people can find redress early 
on.
    USOCA has provided consumer education materials and conducted 
workshops at a variety of conferences and seminars sponsored by 
organizations representing the elderly and citizens with disabilities. 
In the first quarter of fiscal year 1997, USOCA developed a working 
group to discuss and formulate an agenda regarding consumer issues of 
particular concerns to the 49 million Americans with disabilities. 
USOCA is committed to encouraging marketers and employers to recognize 
consumers with disabilities as deserving of consumer rights as fully 
abled people.
    Town meetings and seminars are being planned around the theme, 
``Real People--Real Challenges.'' The aim of these fora is to provide 
an opportunity for traditionally underserved communities to discuss 
their consumer concerns. USOCA also plans to convene consumer education 
opportunities for youth in major cities throughout the country .
    Outreach to youth will include educational programs and projects to 
raise public awareness and to generate support for personal financial 
literacy for our children and young adults. By working with 
organizations such as the JumpStart Coalition for Personal Financial 
Literacy, which includes the National Institute for Consumer Education 
of Eastern Michigan University and the American Financial Services 
Association, USOCA will expand its mission by encouraging ``responsible 
use of credit'' and ``planning for savings, spending and investing to 
meet current and future needs'' among America's consumers under the age 
of 18.
    National Consumers Week (NCW) observed annually during the last 
week in October, is a signature event of the United States Office of 
Consumer Affairs and the nation. It is a major promotional event that 
highlights consumer education by informing consumers about their rights 
and responsibilities in the marketplace.
    Representatives from business, all levels of government, 
educational institutions, consumer organizations and media use this 
unique opportunity to encourage dialogue with consumers about a variety 
of important issues. With coast-to-coast involvement, planning and 
execution of NCW activities is a year-round undertaking. Recruitment of 
NCW public/private partnerships, follow-up activities, coordination 
with the Executive Branch and the White House, preparation of written 
materials and the development of various reports and documents are 
crucial to the success of NCW. This year's NCW theme is `` A Fair Shake 
Marketplace.''
    A White House Conference on Consumer Issues is being planned for 
October 1998. Our economy has changed from industrial based to service 
and information based. The nation's response to the new challenges this 
creates for consumers, has been slow. USOCA is proposing a new look at 
consumerism brought about by this profound shift in the economy. The 
consumer rights associated with tangible products are more difficult to 
ascribe to non-tangibles like services and information. We are using 
our resources for a national focus on this new paradigm.
    Communications.--USOCA has maintained a moderate communications 
operation. Due to the current budget shortfall USOCA has ceased to 
publish its newsletter. The newsletter circulation included hundreds of 
consumer groups, professional associations and media outlets. Within 
the fiscal year 1998 request, we plan to restore the newsletter to 
semi-annual publication.
    Another trademark event for USOCA has been the Constituent Resource 
Exposition (EXPO). Traditionally held for each new Congress, EXPO has 
served as an educational event for congressional staff where they meet 
representatives of Federal Agencies, discuss agency programs, and 
obtain pertinent information which enabled them to better respond to 
constituent requests in the Member's districts. This event helped 
eliminate Federal waste and red tape caused by misdirection of 
constituent complaints and queries.
    Again because of budget issues, USOCA has decided to take a 
different approach to reaching congressional staff members to 
disseminate information--a method which may prove to be more efficient 
and cost-effective. USOCA is working to conduct workshops in 
partnership with the Congressional Research Service (CRS) for Senators, 
Members of Congress and their staffs. At these workshops, USOCA's much 
requested publication, the Congressional Liaison Handbook (CLH) will be 
distributed. The CLH directs staff to appropriate agency consumer and 
congressional liaison officials.
    The primary tool with which USOCA has traditionally used to reach a 
broad cross-section of the population is the Consumer's Resource 
Handbook. This award winning resource is one of the most popular 
publications produced by the Federal government. It is filled with 
valuable information and ``Buying Smart'' tips for consumers to assist 
them in making informed choices and avoiding pitfalls such as fraud in 
the marketplace. Just as important are its listings of both private and 
public sector resources for consumer information and problem 
resolution. Keeping this information relevant to consumer problems in 
the marketplace, as well as complete and accurate requires more than 
checking addresses and telephone numbers.
    USOCA has in place the staff, expertise, knowledge, skills and 
interaction with industry, government agencies, consumer organizations 
and individual consumers needed to produce this Handbook. Any other 
agency handling this would assume research, training, and production 
costs well above the costs incurred by this office.
    There is a significant amount of work that could be done in 1997 on 
the 1998 edition of the Handbook. For example, the inclusion of E-mail 
addresses and web sites available for complaint handling. Currently, we 
are working with the FTC on a single Web-link to Federal web sites, at 
the address, consumer.gov, for which the Handbook's index would serve 
to guide consumers through the maze of Federal, state and local 
agencies with jurisdiction over consumer problems. To do this 
effectively there is considerable work to do to make the index more 
user-friendly in the Internet environment.
    Funding for the Handbook, as well as other consumer education 
publications have been accomplished through public and private 
contributions. Gift acceptance authority is extremely important to 
ensure that adequate numbers of these publication are updated and 
available to consumers. In addition to the Handbook, four significant 
publications/studies scheduled for fiscal year 1998, such as, 
``Protecting Your Privacy,'' ``Too Good To Be True 2000--A Consumer 
Guide to Avoiding Fraud in the New Century,'' and ``Improving Customer 
Service'' will require research, editing, design, printing, and 
distribution.

                 RAPID RESPONSE FOR CONSUMER COMPLAINTS

    The National Consumer HelpLine is a toll free number available in 
every state and U.S. territory offering a rapid response to consumer 
complaints through referrals and consumer information. It is staffed 
four hours a day by USOCA's professional staff, including its director, 
who refer or answer questions on the spot. We call back anyone who 
leaves a message during non-staffed hours. HelpLine is serving as the 
central federal clearinghouse for consumer complaint handling. Through 
the HelpLine, we make our decades of experience with consumer issues 
available to all Americans.
    Calls are logged into a database to help USOCA keep abreast of new 
trends such as fraudulent schemes in telemarketing, sweepstakes, and 
pay-per-call and long distance telephone billing. It tracks consumer 
complaints on automobile repair, home maintenance, warranties, stock 
fraud and returned merchandise. Other areas generating frequent calls 
are credit reporting and credit harassment, direct marketing and mail 
order complaints, insurance, mobile homes, Social Security and 
Medicare, student loans, and airlines.
    It provides a window on the public's reaction to developments in 
the marketplace long before the media or researchers can identify them. 
Dialogues with companies, trade associations, consumers and regulatory 
agencies have followed. In some cases, due to the industry being made 
aware of consumer problems, action has been taken to eliminate the need 
for new regulations. This is in keeping with the President's initiative 
to eliminate unnecessary regulations.

                            DOMESTIC POLICY

    USOCA has no regulatory authority but it directly impacts proposed 
legislation and regulations being considered by Congress and the 
Administration. USOCA is regularly solicited for input or comments on 
proposed legislation, regulations and reports. While the demand for 
USOCA review has increased over the last decade the number of employees 
has dramatically decreased. USOCA has been involved with such complex 
issues as privacy, emerging technology, the global marketplace, anti-
terrorism, debt and credit, and fraud.
    USOCA is the sounding board on consumer issues for buyers, sellers, 
all levels of government, neighborhood groups, and consumer 
organizations. We are the consumer's voice in the decisions of 
government and the impact of proposed legislation and regulations on 
their lives.

                          INTERNATIONAL POLICY

    Representing the interests of U.S. consumers in international 
forums, USOCA provides support to the President's consumer advisor as 
head of the U.S. delegation to the Committee on Consumer Policy of the 
Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD). The U.S. 
has taken a leading role in the areas of product safety, lowering 
tariff barriers for services and consumer redress in the international 
marketplace. The U.S. has encouraged OECD to adopt the use of new 
technology on global warning systems for product safety and consumer 
fraud.
    The world stands at the doorstep of a great expansion of cross-
border consumer transactions. Interest in the changing global 
marketplace and how it affects consumers is widespread among 
businesses, consumer advocacy groups, educators and world leaders. As 
consumer policy issues are increasingly internationalized, the need for 
effective mechanisms for the exchange of critically important consumer 
information, product safety, and efforts to counteract fraud and 
deception in the marketplace becomes more urgent.
    USOCA's role is vital as head of the U.S. Delegation to the 
Committee on Consumer Policy of OECD in order to fully represent 
America's consumer interests. It is viewed by our OECD partners as a 
beacon of leadership particularly for countries just becoming free 
market economies. Newly emerging nations from the former Soviet 
Republics want to study our governmental and nongovernmental structures 
as they seek to develop national consumer policy in a free market 
setting. USOCA also assists visiting delegations from other nations 
that wish to study our consumer protection system and our unique 
network of citizen run consumer organizations.

                        interagency coordination

    USOCA chairs and coordinates the Consumer Affairs Council and 
provides staffing. The Consumer Affairs Council was established as a 
body of senior consumer policy officials designated by the heads of 
Federal departments and agencies to provide leadership, coordination 
and effective management to consumer protection and policy initiatives. 
It has been used effectively in recent years to coordinate cross-
cutting initiatives, such as National Consumers Week, The Constituent 
Resource Exposition (EXPO), and the Consumer Resource Handbook 
publications and distribution. We intend to also use the Council as a 
means to raise standards of customer service and achieve greater 
consistency in consumer policy implementation government-wide.

                               CONCLUSION

    Mr. Chairman, this is a conservative budget. With the support of 
this committee, USOCA can fulfill its mission to empower every American 
to make the best choices in the marketplace. With our emphasis on 
education and information we arm the public with the tools they need to 
avoid the frauds, scams, charlatans and con-artists. We can give them 
the peace of mind and security to enter into new marketplaces, whether 
cross borders or in cyberspace and most importantly assure families 
redress if things go wrong. The subcommittee's choice is clear: help 
us, help your constituents or rely on after-the-fact remedies like more 
laws, more regulation, and more police trying to catch the crooks. Even 
when law enforcement is successful, it only recoups a small fraction of 
the money lost to our citizens and honest and ethical businesses. Mr. 
Chairman, we can do better.
    I would like to thank the Subcommittee for allowing me to express 
these views and I would be glad to answer any questions you have for 
me.

      SMALL BUSINESS REGULATORY ENFORCEMENT FAIRNESS ACT [SBREFA]

    Senator Bond. Thank you very much, Director Byrne.
    Let me turn to some questions. Let me begin, Chairman 
Brown, with a question that is near and dear to my heart as 
author of the Small Business Red Tape Relief Act, also known by 
the mind-numbing, eye-glazing acronym of SBREFA. I appreciate 
your attention to that legislation. The law requires agencies 
to establish a policy or program to provide for penalty 
reductions or waivers where appropriate to accommodate the good 
faith efforts of small businesses to comply with agency 
regulations.
    What steps has your agency taken toward instituting such a 
program? When do you see it up and running?
    Ms. Brown. We have it up and running now because we have 
long been sensitive to the needs of small business. In fact, in 
June 1996, the agency sponsored, with the Small Business 
Administration, a very well attended conference on small 
business and consumer product safety. At that conference, we 
announced the designation of a CPSC small business ombudsman, 
who will help direct calls from small business operators and 
insure appropriate followup.
    So far, through direct contact with CPSC staff, we have 
helped more than 700 small business persons comply more easily 
with our product safety guidelines. We, therefore, helped them 
to manufacture safe products.
    Requests to our ombudsman for assistance average about 90 
calls per month and represent 35 States and foreign countries. 
Our goal is to provide expert assistance to every small 
business within 48 to 72 hours of when they call CPSC for help. 
To date we have been about 80 percent successful in meeting our 
goal.
    Senator Bond. I appreciate that good work.
    Is there a waiver program in place? Do you impose fines for 
violations of your regulations?
    Ms. Brown. Yes; Clarence Bishop is the small business 
ombudsman and perhaps you would like him to answer that.
    Mr. Bishop. Good morning, Mr. Chairman.
    Senator Bond. Good morning.
    Mr. Bishop. Good morning, Senator Mikulski.
    Senator Mikulski. Good morning.
    Mr. Bishop. Yes, sir; we do have a waiver program in place 
through our compliance department, although we have not had to 
use it to date.
    Senator Bond. What would be the normal range of fines that 
you would impose?
    Ms. Brown. We are going to pass your question one more 
time. This will be David Schmeltzer, head of our Department of 
Compliance.
    Mr. Schmeltzer. Good morning.
    Our statute provides for civil penalties of up to $1.5 
million. We are directed to consider the size of the business 
when levying the fines, and we always do. We have about 15 
fines per year, and when we deal with small businesses, first 
we try to explain to them how to meet the regulations. If there 
are violations, then we take into consideration the size of the 
company and the appropriate figure. All of these cases are 
resolved through settlement procedures.
    Senator Bond. Rather than carry on the discussion further, 
we would appreciate having a report on the fines, what you are 
doing and how, and particularly if there are small businesses 
involved.
    Thank you very much.
    [The information follows:]

                     Penalties for Small Businesses
    The Commission staff has authority to pursue civil penalties 
against firms who fail to report a product hazard to the Commission 
under section 15(b) of the CPSA, 15 U.S.C. Sec. 2064(b). Since 1990, it 
may also pursue penalties against firms who knowingly violate the 
safety standards of the FHSA, FFA and PPPA.
    The Commission has always placed an emphasis on seeking voluntary 
compliance with our laws first. When product hazards exist, our first 
effort is to obtain corrective action. Some of these violations are 
committed out of ignorance, others because the firms choose not to put 
time and money into complying with the law. Civil penalties are used 
sparingly and generally only pursued against repeat violators.
    The purposes of a civil penalty are to deter the firm from future 
violations of our safety standards and to deter others from such 
violations. Under our laws, the Commission must consider a number of 
factors in deciding whether to pursue civil penalties. In determining 
whether a civil penalty is appropriate and the amount of the penalty, 
the Commission's laws require the agency to consider the risk of injury 
presented by the product and ``the size of the business of the person 
charged'' along with other factors. (See, section 20(b) of the CPSA, 15 
U.S.C. 2069(b)). The staff also examines the level of sophistication 
and knowledge of the firm involved and the gravity of the violation.
Reporting Violations
    The staff received 239 section 15(b) reports in fiscal year 1996 
and investigated many other products. The staff's primary focus was on 
corrective action and the vast majority of the cases were resolved by 
voluntary corrective action plans with no penalty. In fiscal year 1996, 
the agency obtained penalties from 5 firms who failed to report under 
section 15(b) of the CPSA. None of these 5 firms were small businesses. 
In addition, an agreement was reached with one firm which did not 
result in a civil penalty.
Regulated Products
    In fiscal year 1996, the staff discovered hundreds of violations of 
the Commission's safety standards. When the staff learned of a 
violation of a regulation, it advised the firm of the violation, 
addressed the hazard, and sought to bring the firm's products into 
conformance by working with that firm.
    Out of the hundreds of violations found, the staff obtained only 4 
(3 were small businesses) penalties and initiated two federal court 
actions for penalties against firms for regulated product violations in 
fiscal year 1996. (The Commission reduced one of those penalties to 
$5,000 from a negotiated penalty of $10,000 because of the small size 
of the firm involved.)
    The two Federal Court actions initiated in fiscal year 1996 were 
against a fireworks importer and a children's products importer. Each 
had more than ten violations and had not taken reasonable steps to 
correct the violations. U.S. v. Big Save International Corp. (C.D. 
Cal., No. 96-5318), and U.S. v. Shelton Fireworks, (W.D. Mo., No. 96-
6131-CV-SJ-1) (23 violations). Both firms are small businesses.
    During the last several years, the staff has worked with many small 
businesses who are repeat violators to bring them into future 
compliance without civil penalties. Toward that end, the staff has used 
meetings, inspections, and compliance agreements. It has also put civil 
penalty cases ``into abeyance.'' (This means the firm is informed that 
we could seek penalties, but do not plan to do so if the firm does not 
commit future violations.)
Ability to Pay
    Although the Commission's laws refer to the size of the business 
charged, as the factor to consider, the staff also takes into account 
the firm's ability to pay in determining the appropriate amount of any 
civil penalty and the payment terms. In three cases involving smaller 
firms, the staff has structured the payment of penalties so the penalty 
amount will send a strong message, but the payments are spread over 
time to allow the firm to continue as a viable concern.

                          Civil Penalty Report

                             [Final orders]

                                                        Fiscal Year 1996
Burlington Coat Factory (FFA)...........................        $250,000
Cosco, Inc. (Sec. 15(b), CPSA)..........................     \1\ 725,000
JBI, Inc. (Sec. 15(b), CPSA)............................         225,000
National Media (Sec. 15(b), CPSA).......................         150,000
Premier \2\ (FHSA)......................................      \1\ 75,000
Shrdlu, d.b.a.\2\ (FFA).................................           5,000
Singer Sewing Co. (Sec. 15(b), CPSA)....................         120,000
SKR Resources, Inc.\2\ (FHSA)...........................      \1\ 40,000
Taito America Corp. (Sec. 15(b), CPSA)..................          50,000
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      Total.............................................       1,640,000
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Other remedies: McDonalds, Inc. Sec. 15(b), CPSA........   \3\ 5,000,000
Referred to Department of Justice:
    Big Save International Corporation \2\
    Shelton Fireworks \2\

\1\ Structured Payment Schedule.
\2\ Small Business--CPSC follows 15 U.S.C. 632 which states that the 
business must meet the criteria of being independently owned and 
operated and not dominant in its field of operation. In addition, the 
Small Business Administration sets size standards for various industries 
which are published in 13 CFR Part 121. Industries are identified by 
their Standard Industrial Classification (SIC) Code and their maximum 
size to be considered small is determined by either annual receipts or 
number of employees. If the industry is not listed in the CFR, the 
default size standard is $5 million in annual receipts.
\3\ Program.
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                              CPSC BUDGET

    Senator Bond. Chairman Brown, you have indicated that the 
budget request is modest. But even a 6-percent increase, to $45 
million, over the current year when overall funding is likely 
to be held flat is difficult. What lower priority items would 
you eliminate or reduce if we had to hold you at a level 
funding.
    Ms. Brown. Level funding meaning the $42.5 million?
    Senator Bond. Yes.
    Ms. Brown. That would be extremely difficult for us, of 
course, because there would be a reduced level of safety, I 
think, to the American people. We would have a problem even in 
holding level. That does not mean that we would be holding 
level. Many of our information technologies, which is very 
important, much of that would not be able to be done.
    Senator Bond. In the budget process, sometimes you have to 
make hard choices. Rather than strangling every program, 
sometimes it is better to cut the lower priority program.
    Is there a lower priority program?
    Ms. Brown. At this point, I will have to get back to you 
and think about that because we are on such a bare bones budget 
now, as we are, that I just cannot think of any. We have 
already reduced. We have put our two laboratories together. I 
am thinking that there are so many things we have done. We have 
cut down on training of our personnel.
    I am not trying to be evasive, Mr. Chairman.
    Senator Bond. I understand, but that is something we would 
like for you to think about in case the worst happens.
    [The information follows:]


                      Effect of Budget Request Cut
    Any cuts to CPSC's budget would simply not be cost-beneficial. CPSC 
delivers more than $155 million in savings to the American public for 
every $1 million invested in the agency. Furthermore, the work of the 
agency has been a major factor in the 20 percent decline in annual 
deaths and injuries related to consumer products that occurred between 
1980 and 1993. Any cuts to CPSC's budget at this point would reduce 
this tremendous return on investment for consumers and would place more 
families at risk from dangerous products.
    Limiting CPSC's 1998 funding to the 1997 level of $42.5 million is 
approximately equivalent to a $2 million budget cut.\1\ But CPSC is 
already half the size it was in 1980, while our mission has grown 
substantially.\2\ To accommodate these reductions, we cut staff and 
trimmed away spending. We are now a lean and efficient operation. 
Therefore, any further budget reduction would cut directly into our 
safety programs.
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    \1\ The agency needs a minimum of $2 million over 1997 funding if 
it is to fund non-discretionary cost increases occurring in 1998. This 
includes $1.2 million for increased salary and space costs, $300,000 to 
make its accounting system Year 2000 compliant, and $500,000 to fund 
proposed increased retirement contributions and carrying out of Freedom 
of Information Act amendments.
    \2\ CPSC's budget has fared worse than most other health and safety 
agencies. For example, from 1981 to 1996, EPA's budget increased 25 
percent and FDA's budget increased 56 percent while CPSC's budget 
decreased 45 percent.
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    A $2 million budget reduction would force cutbacks in new safety 
initiatives planned for 1998 and in current safety work. The very 
difficult decisions of exactly which life-saving initiatives to 
sacrifice if this were necessary can not be made until we are much 
closer to new fiscal year.
    We believe that any cut in CPSC's budget at this time would rob the 
American public of essential safety benefits. Injuries from consumer 
products presently cost this country $200 billion each year. Past 
successes by the agency show that we can reduce deaths and injuries 
without expensive and intrusive interventions. The additional funds 
requested for 1998, $2.5 million, are small. Judging by recent 
accomplishments, this modest investment will deliver almost $400 
million in benefits to U.S. consumers. This small investment will keep 
one of the country's best working assets in good working order and 
build a better future for American families.
    When the subcommittee receives its budget allocation, if cuts are 
indeed necessary, we will certainly work with the subcommittee staff to 
identify those that would result in the least damage to our mission.

    Senator Bond. Senator Mikulski.
    Senator Mikulski. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.
    I have no questions for Ms. Nasif. But I do want to thank 
you for the excellent and continued work that you have done.
    We have had these conversations now for many years, and I 
must say that all of the literature that comes out of your shop 
is really I think remarkably received by the taxpayer. Often 
they wonder if they give us $1, we're going to spend $2 and at 
the end of the day have nothing to show for it that means 
anything in their day to day lives.
    The practical information that you disseminate, whether it 
is on how to buy a car or how to buy long-term care insurance 
is wonderful. I have looked at all of those. The very excellent 
check lists were helpful.
    I, myself, used your guide in looking for long-term care 
insurance because I was ready for purchasing that product. Like 
any other consumer, I wanted to know what specifically I could 
turn to.
    I could go over many issues like that. So I thank you.
    I know you face many financial challenges because you must 
be ready for the electronic world. But most people still will 
get their information through a printed form. So we look 
forward to working with you.
    Ms. Nasif. Thank you, Senator.

                   FRAUD PERPETRATED AGAINST ELDERLY

    Senator Mikulski. Congresswoman Byrne, I have a question 
about HHS consumer affairs.
    What does your organization do to protect people against 
fraud in those areas that are vulnerable in HHS service 
delivery areas? I am thinking about Medicare scams, for 
instance. You know, there are so many scams going on now among 
senior citizens, whether it is in products, though not the 
dangerous ones that Ms. Brown so effectively oversees--that 
privacy of information is absolutely important and I understand 
that.
    But there are a lot of scams going on in the area of 
Medicare and health care, et cetera. Are you involved in that?
    Ms. Byrne. What we try to do is go out to the communities 
of seniors and make them aware of these scams. One of the 
things we find is that we hear about them after the fact, after 
the widow has been deprived of $70,000, not once over a scam 
but once she gets on a sucker list it's again and again and 
again. She has been proven vulnerable in one instance. There 
are actual lists that are published, shared among the scam 
artists that allow them to go back to her.
    So what we are trying to do with education and information 
is get information out into the hands of seniors.
    Senator Mikulski. And how do you do that?
    Ms. Byrne. We do it through AARP and all of the other 
organizations. We work very closely with senior organizations, 
such as the Senior Citizens Council, the AARP, in educating 
their members. We do media campaigns in senior citizen areas 
that are heavily populated. We send out alerts when we find out 
a particular scam is in a neighborhood, for example. That is 
all to that effort of getting information to the consumer.
    The other, the back end to that is through our HelpLine and 
this kind of first alert that we have, we are able to notify 
law enforcement agencies when there is a scam going on directed 
toward senior citizens or anyone else. So when they call us, we 
go after them.
    Senator Mikulski. Thank you. I think everybody wonders what 
is--not really your personal job--what is the job of your 
agency.
    Ms. Byrne. Right.
    Senator Mikulski. I really think that where there is need 
there is greed, and where there is greed there is scam; and 
where there is scam, there is scum.
    Ms. Byrne. That's right.
    Senator Mikulski. That's the way I see it.
    Ms. Byrne. You got it.
    Senator Bond. Let me jot that down.
    Senator Mikulski. It's need/greed, scam/scum.
    I would hope that, instead of looking with a broad brush 
across agencies, really that agency, particularly with the 
senior population that is so vulnerable, is so helpful.
    Ms. Brown, regarding your agency, you are now talking about 
a new fire prevention, death prevention initiative. Could you 
tell us--and I know my time is short----
    Senator Bond. Take your time.

                            CPSC INITIATIVES

    Senator Mikulski [continuing]. Where did that come from? 
Where did that idea come from? That then takes me to a second 
question, which is are you moving the Consumer Product Safety 
Commission to what I call a risk based strategy focus. I mean, 
in other words, looking at those consumer vulnerabilities that 
are most likely to affect most of the American people.
    Ms. Brown. The way that we figured out the fire initiative 
is because that is where the major deaths, injuries, and 
property damage occur. So we are always a data driven agency. 
We have a fine data system, a hospital emergency room system. 
We are driven by the fact that we must prioritize. We must 
prioritize in this era of limited resources and that must be 
done based on where the greatest injuries and deaths occur.
    We have three new initiatives, to reduce fire deaths and 
injuries, consideration of a multipurpose lighter standard, 
evaluation of our child resistant cigarette lighter standard, 
and investigator training for CPSC investigators. All of those 
were arrived at because that is where we see the largest number 
of injuries and deaths.
    Senator Mikulski. And what are the other top two?
    Ms. Brown. The other top two apart from fire?
    Senator Mikulski. Uh-huh.
    Ms. Brown. Those would be children's injuries and deaths, 
which are, of course, always important to us, and sports 
injuries. All of those were arrived at when we looked at our 
data and we saw where is the greatest need.
    Senator Mikulski. Let me say just one word about fire. I 
know that it is one of the terrible problems in my communities 
in Maryland. Once again we just suffered the death of three 
children, and we would hope that you are also going to be 
coordinating with FEMA and the national association. FEMA has 
the firefighters. I will get back to floods in a minute. We 
hope you do work across agency lines in this area.
    What we hope and what we tried to get FEMA to do and EPA--
this committee has been around management--is not to go after 
individual boutique issues that capture the headlines--and I'm 
not saying you do, but we all know how that goes--but to focus 
on where most people are at risk, whether it is to scams and 
being defrauded, such as buying the hearing aid that is going 
to solve all of your problems, all those sorts of things. That 
is important.
    It is very important to me that we coordinate with other 
agencies. The issue of firefighting and fire prevention is an 
intensely local, block by block issue. How will you be 
coordinating there?

                      WORKING WITH OTHER AGENCIES

    Ms. Brown. We are already working with the Fire 
Administration on many of our fire efforts and other efforts as 
well. They are funding some work that we are doing on stoves 
and burners.
    We work very closely with FEMA, as well, as we have during 
this flood. They are giving out all of our material about how 
people will reenter a house and the dangers that lurk when 
people reenter a house that has been flooded.
    I have a list of the agencies with which we cooperatively 
work. I would be delighted to submit that for the record so 
that you can see that one of our major goals is to work 
cooperatively across Government, both in Government and outside 
of Government with industries and other organizations. It 
really is a way to aggrandize your resources. I would like to 
submit that for you.
    Senator Mikulski. Thank you.
    [The information follows:]


             Working with Other Agencies and Organizations

    CPSC works with many Federal agencies and private organizations in 
many ways to advance safety programs and to maximize the effect of CPSC 
safety efforts. These relationships have proven very productive to the 
agency and the American public because they provide greatly expanded 
resources to the problem of hazard reduction at little cost. We are 
always careful not to duplicate services of other organizations, but to 
complement and augment one another. CPSC offers other agencies unique 
abilities to identify hazards and analyze hazards, and at times, 
suggest practical ways to reduce hazards. For example, CPSC has the 
best system in the world for collecting information about hospital 
emergency room visits--The National Electronic Injury Surveillance 
System (NEISS). Many agencies purchase services from NEISS to obtain 
data about injuries within their jurisdiction. In one example of such 
an arrangement, NEISS is providing children's injury data to the 
Department of Transportation for its work on children and airbags.
    The reduction of fire hazards provides an excellent example of how 
CPSC works with other organizations. CPSC has a long and productive 
relationship with local and State fire organizations. CPSC depends on 
fire data, collected by local fire departments and coordinated at the 
State level through the National Fire Incident Reporting System, to 
provide essential support for our regulatory mission. In addition, 
special in-depth field investigation projects regarding fire incidents 
almost always rely on close coordination with local fire departments. 
Examples of such projects include cigarette lighters, upholstered 
furniture open-flame fires, smoke detectors, and range fires.
    CPSC has also worked with local fire departments and community 
groups to develop community-based smoke detector programs. Recently, 
under a program organized by CPSC, 5,000 smoke detectors were 
distributed and installed by firefighters or trained volunteers in 10 
cities, targeted to vulnerable populations.
    CPSC also works with many national organizations to address fire 
hazards:
    The U.S. Fire Administration (USFA) collects and provides essential 
data on residential fires to CPSC, stimulates new technology, and 
conducts public education campaigns relating to fire. USFA has provided 
supporting funds for CPSC projects on Range Fires, Smoke Detectors, and 
Home Electrical Wiring Systems.
    The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) performs 
basic and applied research in the fire sciences, provides their 
facilities for CPSC special fire testing, and serves as a comprehensive 
resource for standards information. NIST is providing fire test 
facility support for our current project on Fire Safety Devices.
    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) provide 
programs and grants to expand community awareness in the field. CPSC 
staff participates in the CDC Healthy People 2000 Work Group on Fire 
Prevention, and CPSC has provided funding in support of their fire 
prevention initiative.
    The Congressional Fire Services Institute (CFSI) was a member of 
the Steering Committee of our National Smoke Detector Project.
    CPSC communicates with other agencies that have regulatory 
authority and conduct research in areas beyond CPSC jurisdiction such 
as the Federal Aviation Administration (aircraft), the Occupational 
Safety and Health Administration (workplace), the National Highway 
Traffic Safety Administration (automotive), and the Department of 
Housing and Urban Development (manufactured housing).
    The private sector organization, the National Fire Protection 
Association (NFPA), also collects and provides CPSC residential fire 
data in addition to developing and publishing this country's national 
fire codes and voluntary standards, investigating major fires, and 
conducting public information and education programs.
    In October of 1996, the Commission signed a Memorandum of 
Understanding with the International Association of Arson Investigators 
(IAAI) through the Commission's Special Investigations Unit (SIU). The 
IAAI is a non-profit technical and educational organization comprised 
of volunteers through various government organizations, such as ATF, 
insurance investigators and certified fire investigators. This 
cooperative effort allows both organizations to work together toward 
the common goals of improving public fire safety, sharing technical 
information and training fire investigators. In addition, the IAAI 
publishes bi-monthly Commission recalls to notify IAAI members of fire 
hazards associated with potentially defective consumer products.
    CPSC works cooperatively with many other public and private 
organizations on a variety of product safety efforts. Federal agencies 
we have worked with include:
  --Centers for Disease Control (data collection on a wide-range of 
        injuries)
  --Customs Service (import surveillance to prevent entry of unsafe 
        products)
  --Department of the Army (share information and expertise on injury 
        prevention, baby safety events, lead in playground equipment)
  --Consumer Information Center (distribution of CPSC safety 
        publications)
  --Department of Energy (chemical emissions from consumer products)
  --Department of Housing and Urban Development (injury prevention in 
        housing)
  --Department of Health and Human Services (injury prevention, data 
        collection)
  --Department of Interior (playground safety in National Parks)
  --Department of Justice (data collection)
  --Environmental Protection Agency (indoor air, lead poisoning, 
        chemicals)
  --Federal Emergency Management Agency (injury prevention in disaster 
        situations)
  --Federal Trade Commission (data sharing on consumer protection legal 
        actions)
  --Food and Drug Administration (poison prevention)
  --Fire Administration (fire safety and fire education programs)
  --Indian Health Service (injury prevention, fire safety)
  --National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (bicycle safety)
  --National Institutes of Health (toxins and carcinogens in consumer 
        products)
  --National Institutes of Standards and Technology (product safety 
        testing)
  --Office of Consumer Affairs (coordination of numerous safety 
        matters)
  --Occupational Safety and Health Administration (data collection)
  --Small Business Administration (small business concerns, 
        implementation of CPSC Small Business Ombudsman program)
    We work cooperatively with a large number of non-Federal groups to 
disseminate injury prevention information, gather injury data, develop 
safety standards, and ensure compliance with safety regulations, 
corrective actions, and recalls. These groups include:
  --American Academy of Pediatrics
  --American Association of Retired Persons
  --American Nurses Association
  --American Red Cross
  --Association of Food and Drug Officials
  --Better Business Bureau
  --Businesses (such as Gerber Foods who is co-sponsoring the Baby 
        Safety Shower effort)
  --Coalition for Consumer Health and Safety
  --Consumer Federation of America
  --Dana Alliance for Brain Initiatives
  --Danny Foundation
  --Defense Research Institute (Defense attorneys)
  --D.C. Bar Association
  --International Association of Chiefs of Police
  --National Association of Consumer Agency Administrators
  --National Consumers League
  --National Safety Council
  --National Safe Kids Campaign
  --National 4-H Council
  --Salvation Army
  --Snell Foundation (Bicycle Helmets)
  --Society of Academic Emergency Medicine
  --State Attorneys Generals
  --State and local coroners, medical examiners, health departments, 
        and consumer protection offices
  --Trade Associations (Outdoor Power Equipment Institute; Coalition 
        for Automatic Garage Door Openers, Gas Water Heater 
        Association, Toy Manufacturers of America, etc.)
  --Voluntary product standard setting organizations (ASTM; the 
        American National Standards Association; Underwriters 
        Laboratories; National Electrical Code and Building Code 
        groups)

    Senator Bond. I have to step out very briefly to meet with 
some constituents. I am going to ask that Senator Mikulski 
continue this hearing.
    Senator Mikulski. And if I am done?
    Senator Bond. I will be back shortly. I have some more 
questions. This will be very brief.
    If you will forgive me, I will turn the gavel over to you.
    Senator Mikulski [presiding]. Ms. Brown, have you had any 
involvement in the air bag controversy?
    Ms. Brown. No, we have not.
    Senator Mikulski. Has anyone called you--let's wait for the 
bells to finish ringing.
    [Pause.]

                             AIR BAG SAFETY

    Senator Mikulski. Has the Department of Transportation 
contacted you on the air bag issue?
    Ms. Brown. We have had some directives from them about what 
they are doing, just information.
    Senator Mikulski. Well, you see, nobody knows what they are 
doing. This is a very prickly situation. There is a great deal 
of concern about the safety of air bags. You have just 
indicated the concern about the special risks to children in 
the home. But there is a special risk in that home on wheels, 
called an automobile. Given commuters and day care every day, 
our little kids spend a lot of time in cars. We are finding 
that they are at risk, either from their child seats, et 
cetera, and now the air bags. There is the air bags controversy 
not only for what it means to children but what it means to, 
essentially, people my size, and where that air bag releases, 
hits you, and so on.
    There is a great deal of confusion, uncertainty, and 
apprehension about what the Department of Transportation is 
doing. I am not blaming this on you, of course.
    Ms. Brown. It is not in our jurisdiction.
    Senator Mikulski. But you are the Consumer Product Safety 
Commission with incredible expertise and really significant 
data. Your database I think should not be minimized because it 
contains risk based information and lots of ideas even for the 
private sector to improve itself.
    My question is this. Given that, do you know anything about 
this? Does your agency have any data on the air bag 
controversy? Do we know where the risks are?
    It would seem to me that you, you meaning your agency, 
would play a significant role. First of all, you probably know 
more about what happens to children other than pediatricians 
and parents. Am I right in that?
    Ms. Brown. Absolutely. You are.
    Senator Mikulski. We had that marvelous conversation on 
playground equipment.
    Ms. Brown. It is both my area of expertise, coming into the 
agency as a child safety expert, and, of course, what our 
agency has concentrated on.
    The problem with air bags or with anything in cars is it is 
not legally within our jurisdiction. However, our very 
excellent data, the NEISS system, which gets reports of 
hospital emergency room injuries every day, has done work for 
the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration on motor 
vehicle injuries. So they do use our data.
    But we are not involved in the air bag controversy per se. 
Many people call me, Senator Mikulski, because I, too, am 
small, and they ask me what are you doing in your own car.
    I, therefore, did my own personal, little survey and told 
people that you have to be at least 10 inches away from your 
air bag in your steering wheel. I also had found out some 
information on how to get extenders on pedals. That I just did 
as something personal to help my other short friends.
    But this is an area that is very serious and I do know that 
there is a lot of concern out in the Nation. We specifically do 
collect air bag data specifically for NHTSA.

                       CPSC SHOULD WORK WITH DOT

    Senator Mikulski. Ms. Brown, I am going to ask you because 
of the confidence I have in your agency and in your 
considerable database, to reach out to Secretary Slater. We 
have to really deal with this air bag controversy.
    I am glad people know that they can call you. I go to 
senior citizen meetings and they ask me the same question, 
partly because I have the same personal geography, so to speak, 
as they do. But it shouldn't be member-to-constituency groups 
of 30 people only. I am absolutely convinced that the 
Department of Transportation has not brought in the total 
expertise that is available within its own Government.
    I know that Secretary Slater, I hope, will be moving on 
this.
    I am going to really recommend that you call Secretary 
Slater and that you have a list of all the agencies that have 
been involved in the subject of children--and there are also 
parallels to frail elderly or the short elderly--that could be 
used here, and that you recommend whatever task force they have 
that they use the best information. Let's get out there with 
this information. It could be a new line of commercial 
products, exactly as you said. People may laugh about a pedal 
extender, but if you are 5 foot 2 inches and automobiles are 
built for people structured like Clint Eastwood, it gets to be 
very difficult for us.
    I don't want to turn this into an air bag hearing, but I am 
deeply concerned about the sluggish way we are moving toward a 
relationship with the private sector and the consumers on this 
very significant issue, and perhaps even about talking about 
additional consumer products that would enable people to be 
more safe. Let me include here also the information on where do 
you put your baby's car seat--all of those kinds of things. 
Right now, if we have a driving grannie, then maybe grannie 
needs to be in the back seat.
    I could go on and on here.
    Ms. Brown. Senator, I did want to mention also that we have 
asked for funds to do some anthropometric work. That sounds 
exotic. But what it really is is the measurement of children. 
More work to upgrade this would be very helpful to NHTSA in 
moving forward to do some greater calculations on car seats. 
Education is fine, but I think you've hit it on the head. In 
every field of products, it is very important to have as much 
as possible safety built into the product.
    Senator Mikulski. From what I understand from the private 
sector, particularly those involved in the automobile industry, 
they are waiting for the Department of Transportation to give 
them some guidance on the direction in which they want to go.
    I will tell you what I fear--the wholesale dismantling of, 
in particular, passenger air bags out of fear rather than out 
of science and out of technology. I truly believe the genius of 
the American private sector for both liability reasons as well 
as good citizenship, and ultimately profit, to be able to come 
up with solutions. But right now they need the guidance of DOT. 
Knowing what you all know about children, I think it would be 
enormously important for there to be a task force. It is 
disturbing to me that with DOT there is not a relationship on 
this issue.
    Ms. Brown. I'll call Secretary Slater this afternoon.
    Senator Mikulski. Thank you very much and good luck with 
that.
    Again, many, many thanks.

                      CONSUMER'S RESOURCE HANDBOOK

    Senator Bond [presiding]. Thank you, Senator Mikulski.
    Director Nasif, in 1997, the Congress gave the CIC the 
responsibility for producing the Consumer's Resource Handbook. 
Can you give us an estimate of the resources you might require 
to produce the report in fiscal year 1998 if Congress should 
decide to maintain responsibility for the handbook at CIC?
    Ms. Nasif. The President's budget does provide for the 
transferring back to the Office of Consumer Affairs 
responsibility for the Consumer's Resource Handbook for fiscal 
year 1998. It is my understanding that the resources required, 
whether by OCA or by the Consumer Information Center, would be 
in the neighborhood of about $1.50 per publication. I believe 
the estimate for printing would be under $1. The estimated cost 
for CIC distribution is about $.54. So if 250,000 were produced 
and distributed, it would be about $400,000 for the total cost.
    In the past, OCA has been very successful in leveraging the 
support of the consumer community and other Federal agencies as 
well as the private sector in helping to cover the costs of the 
Consumer's Resource Handbook. Traditionally, what is done is 
that the committee provides a foundation of funding for the 
Consumer's Resource Handbook and then the Director of the 
Office of Consumer Affairs invites other Federal agencies, as 
well as corporate and other private sector organizations, to 
contribute resources to cover the costs of the publication.
    So it really is a very joint effort in coming up with the 
funds to successfully print and distribute the handbook.

                DISSEMINATING INFORMATION ELECTRONICALLY

    Senator Bond. Can consumers order publications from the CIC 
web site? Do you see a demand for this? Do you see a day when 
you would move to distributing all of CIC's publications 
electronically?
    Ms. Nasif. Currently we are working toward consumers being 
able to order right off our web site, and we are actually 
working with the Government Printing Office to make it a 
reality. About 50 percent of the publications in the CIC system 
are actually GPO sales documents. So it is not something that 
CIC can proceed ahead with on our own. But we are working with 
them.
    GPO is putting into place an interactive system so that the 
public can order from their web site. As soon as they have 
perfected and debugged that system, we will work to have it 
applied to CIC in the Pueblo facility.
    Of course, the main concern of all of us interested in 
electronic commerce is maintaining the privacy and the 
confidentiality of credit card information, which must go 
through the Internet web site.
    We are fortunate that we are part of the General Services 
Administration because the agency is a leader in the emerging 
technologies that do safeguard that kind of personal 
information. So we will be working within GSA as well.
    As far as whether the day will come when all consumers will 
be ordering from the web site as opposed to writing to Pueblo, 
I don't think so. Given the explosive growth of the Internet 
and especially the World Wide Web, it seems that certainly this 
country is going down that path. However, we are totally 
committed to maintaining our print program because we know that 
the majority of Americans depend on printed publications to get 
their information.
    So we are looking forward to maintaining a dual track and 
keeping both programs going.
    Senator Bond. Well, as long as this consumer is still 
around, there will be demand for the printed material.
    Senator Mikulski. And with big print. [Laughter.]
    Senator Bond. Yes; maybe the next generation will be all 
electronic, but not me.
    Ms. Nasif. The day will come we are told.
    Senator Bond. I don't believe that.
    Ms. Nasif. I know I am not ready for it. I am holding on to 
those publications as best I can.
    Senator Bond. Thank you very much, Director Nasif.

                        USOCA HELPLINE DATABASE

    Director Byrne, one of the things, obviously, where I have 
already indicated my concern is for the duplication of effort. 
I previously served as a consumer affairs counsel in the 
attorney general's office. It seems that every State has at 
least one, if not several, entities that are providing consumer 
information and warning. I happen to know of a man who was one 
of the unfortunate ones who managed to get burned twice by the 
Nigerian scam, a man who had some money that he no longer has, 
but he had enough that he was still hit with it, indeed hit 
twice.
    Obviously we cannot stop all scams. We have not gotten the 
message out. To what extent do you work with States and others 
who have the same responsibility you do?
    Ms. Byrne. Mr. Chairman, last March Money magazine did a 
compendium of all the State and local government efforts in 
consumer protection and found that there had been, over the 
last several years, a 60-percent cut in State and local offices 
in their efforts.
    One of our jobs is in just taking up the slack. What we 
find in the calls that we are getting is that people don't know 
where to turn. Their local offices have sometimes been closed 
down. Their 800 numbers have been disconnected. We often tell 
them to call their attorney general because they don't know 
where to turn.
    Oftentimes with these 1-800 numbers and the other agencies 
that are available, the consumer finds himself in Dante's third 
ring of hell. They push from voice-mail to voice-mail without 
ever getting a real person on the line. All they needed was a 
simple question answered.
    We hope that we provide that kind of answer, that kind of 
help to consumers because what we are finding is that we are 
not getting the kind of coverage that we would hope in State 
and local governments.
    Senator Bond. I think some of us in Congress are getting 
those calls as well.

                     MEASURING OCA'S EFFECTIVENESS

    Is there any measurement or any impact that you can 
identify that your agency has that others do not have? When you 
are providing information, I know it is difficult to determine 
what impact you are having. But have you developed any means of 
measuring the impact of your agency?
    Ms. Byrne. One of the things we have implemented with the 
HelpLine is a database that we can track people and how they 
are getting responded to. If we refer them to another agency, 
what was the response from that other agency?
    As the Special Assistant to the President, besides being 
the Director of the Office of Consumer Affairs, I head up the 
Consumer Affairs Council for all the Federal agencies and all 
their consumer components. I feed that information back to them 
so that they'll know if their agency has been doing a good job.
    We can measure now the outcomes which we were not able to 
do prior to my arrival, the outcomes of these calls that are 
being made. How many people actually got their money back? How 
many people actually got their question answered? How many 
people actually avoided a scam because that is the data that we 
are now keeping that we were not keeping 3 months ago.
    Senator Bond. We would be interested to see that 
information.
    But isn't the HelpLine duplicative of the GSA's Federal 
Information Center?
    Ms. Byrne. Mr. Chairman, when I served in Congress, I 
thought that they were the same thing. I really was not clear 
in my own mind what each did. But what I find right now is that 
the Federal Information Center is referring calls to us because 
they don't know what to do with them.
    Congressional offices are calling us because they don't 
know where else to turn. Also consumers are calling us because 
they don't know where else to turn.
    It is different to be a vocal yellow pages, if you will, 
for Federal agencies than it is to give help. It is my 
understanding that the Federal Information Service is a 
vocalized yellow pages for Federal agencies. If you know where 
you are going, you can get the right number.
    But most people, when they call for help, don't know who to 
call. They are swimming through the alphabet soup of Government 
agencies.
    Senator Bond. The FIC I understand has a staff of over 100 
personnel who are supposed to assist citizens with consumer 
problems utilizing the Consumer Resource Handbook. Are they not 
doing the job?
    Ms. Byrne. We have in our agency, in the Office of Consumer 
Affairs, over 25 to 30 years experience in every imaginable 
consumer issue you can think of. To have that kind of expertise 
willing to talk to consumers is much different than just trying 
to give somebody a phone number.
    I don't think the Federal Information Center is as 
equipped, just through lack of experience, to deal with these 
consumer inquiries. We have a very specific task.
    [The information follows:]

    U.S. General Services Administration Federal Information Center

         PROVIDING SERVICE TO CITIZENS AND GOVERNMENT AGENCIES
                              INTRODUCTION

    Established in 1966, the Federal Information Center (FIC) is a 
single point of contact for people who have questions about Federal 
agencies, programs, and services. The FIC currently responds to about 2 
million calls per year via its nationwide, toll-free number: 800-688-
9889 (800-326-2996 for TTY users). The FIC is open for public inquiries 
from 9 a.m. to 8 p.m., eastern time, Monday through Friday, except 
Federal holidays.
    The FIC program is operated by a contractor that maintains the call 
center in Cumberland, Maryland, and uses about 80 staff-years to 
accomplish its tasks. The program's annual budget is about $3.2 
million, or approximately $1.50 per call: This includes all contractor 
expenses, payments to FTS2000 for the `800' service, and Government 
support and oversight.

                          SERVICE TO CITIZENS

    The information specialists either answer directly, refer the 
caller to the correct office, or research the inquiry to provide a 
suitable response.
    The most frequent public inquiries have to do with workplace issues 
(safety, discrimination, wages, etc.), State-government matters, 
immigration and naturalization, Federal taxes, Federal employment, 
savings bonds, Government publications, housing-related concerns, FCC 
matters, and disaster assistance. Many other inquiries relate to such 
consumer matters as product safety and reliability, advertising, food 
products, banking, and motor vehicles.
    The metropolitan areas from which the largest number of telephone 
calls come are Los Angeles, New York, Miami, Chicago, Atlanta, Dallas/
Fort Worth, Houston, San Francisco, San Diego, and Tampa/St. 
Petersburg.
    The staff responds to 2-3 inquiries a day from Congressional 
offices who call for their constituents.
    Citizens may discuss their inquiries with senior staff members who 
have a combined total of decades of consumer contact and research 
ability. Citizens usually start their inquiries by talking to junior 
staff members who have been trained to differentiate between calls they 
should refer to the senior staff members and those they should answer 
themselves.
           a sampling of specific services to other agencies
    Copyright Office, Library of Congress.--Since about 1975, have 
distributed copyright forms to individuals and answered basic questions 
about copyrights. In fact, the FIC distributes more forms to 
individuals than the Copyright Office itself.
    Bureau of Land Management, Department of the Interior.--Since about 
1980, have assisted in the dissemination of information about the wild 
horse and burro program.
    U.S. Marshals Service, Department of Justice.--Started partnership 
in July 1995 to inform the public about acquiring property seized by 
law enforcement agencies. In December 1996, expanded partnership by 
including GSA's Consumer Information Center.
    Passport Office, Department of State.--In 1995 and 1996, expanded 
existing level of expertise on passport matters and responded to 
passport inquiries referred from the New York, Miami, and Seattle 
passport offices.
    Authentication Office, Department of State.--Beginning in November 
1996, expanded the assistance available to persons wanting information 
on certifying documents.
    Consumer Information Center, General Services Administration.--Have 
assisted in the distribution of the Consumer Information Catalog since 
1970. Beginning in January 1997, received requests for the Catalog on a 
separate toll-free telephone number.
    Travel and Transportation Policy, General Services 
Administration.--Starting in November 1996, have served as the main 
source for print or electronic copies of the per diem rates issued by 
GSA.
    U.S. Forest Service, Department of Agriculture.--In late summer of 
1995, removed excess workload from their campground reservation line by 
answering callers who were requesting information instead of wanting to 
make reservations.
                 reference materials in use at the fic
    Principal reference tool is the FIC's own electronic data base, 
which lists more than 100,000 points of contact (telephone numbers, 
addresses, electronic access) by agency and subject. The data base also 
includes the Catalog of Federal Domestic Assistance and many agency 
fact sheets. GSA and the FIC contractor are working with the Government 
Printing Office to place the FIC's data base on CD-ROM, sell it to the 
public, and distribute it to all Government Depository Libraries.
    Printed periodicals such as the Federal Register and the Code of 
Federal Regulations.
    Printed agency materials such as the Consumer's Resource Handbook, 
the Budget of the United States Government, and agency telephone 
directories.
    Printed materials from private sources such as the Encyclopedia of 
Associations; directories of key officials in Federal, State, and local 
governments; and directories that list foreign travel information.
    Regular and frequent use of government and private information 
accessed through the World Wide Web.

    Senator Bond. But you have had this HelpLine for how long, 
2 years?
    Ms. Byrne. Yes, sir.

                       CONSUMER RESOURCE HANDBOOK

    Senator Bond. You are proposing to expand substantially the 
1998 edition of the Consumer Resource Handbook. Why are you 
doing that? What precisely do you have in mind? What is the 
precise cost and who will pay the additional mailing costs?
    Ms. Byrne. We have proposed that we increase the number of 
printings for the Consumer Handbook, that we focus more on how 
people can get their questions answered through e-mail, through 
web sites. We have a whole, new, growing area of complaints, 
which is hardware. People's printers, people's computers don't 
work right. The help lines that are put up by these companies 
are not responsive.
    So we need to focus in on what is happening in the 
marketplace. That is our job. So we are going to expand those 
sections.
    Also there is consumer debt, how to avoid bankruptcy, the 
difference between a debit card and a credit card--this last is 
causing a great deal of confusion in the marketplace right now. 
These are areas that we want to highlight and expand in the 
handbook.
    We do it by asking other agencies who have interests here 
to help us with this. We have asked the Securities and Exchange 
Commission, through their efforts on decreasing consumer debt, 
to help us with those sections.
    This is a cooperative effort. But because we have been in 
the business for so long we know where to go to get the help 
within the Government. We also have a lot of support within 
industry and the marketplace in this product.
    So they are willing to help with the costs.
    Senator Bond. Do you accept corporate contributions for 
this?
    Ms. Byrne. We have a gift fund, as you know, ordinarily, 
and we would accept corporate help in producing and printing 
the book.

                 USOCA TRAVEL FUND FOR FISCAL YEAR 1998

    Senator Bond. Your testimony refers to the OCA's role in 
representing U.S. consumers in international fora. What 
international travel is planned for fiscal year 1997 and fiscal 
year 1998 and at what cost?
    Ms. Byrne. We have domestic travel to do seminars and town 
meetings at the cost of about $10,000 for the entire year. We 
have two international fora in which we participate, which is 
OECD. Right now we are working on international parameters for 
electronic commerce, so that when people step into this brave, 
new world of the Internet that we all think is coming, they 
will have a sense of security, trust, and safety about it.
    Right now, on the world marketplace that is not true. So we 
are looking at what we can do through these various mechanisms 
to enhance consumer safety in electronic commerce.
    Senator Bond. So what would be the cost of that?
    Ms. Byrne. That is $10,000 also. We are looking at like 
$20,000 in travel.
    Senator Bond. OK. Thank you.
    Senator Mikulski, have you any further questions?
    Senator Mikulski. No, Mr. Chairman. I look forward to 
working with our witnesses.
    Senator Bond. All right. Thank you very much.

                     Additional committee questions

    Our thanks to each of you for presenting your testimony. We 
appreciate it and we look forward to working with you all in 
the months to come.
    [The following questions were not asked at the hearing, but 
were submitted to the Office for response subsequent to the 
hearing:]

                  Questions Submitted by Senator Bond

    Question. How much are you spending on the HelpLine? Are the costs 
of the calls being paid for by the White House, or OCA?
    Answer. Calls to the National Consumer HelpLine through the White 
House telephone grid average $1,100 per month or a cost of $0.08 per 
minute based on the rate which was negotiated for all national 800 
number lines serviced under the carrier Sprint. The HelpLine is 
currently staffed four hours daily by full-time staffers on a rotating 
basis, for an average total of 2.5 FTE's. All costs associated with the 
HelpLine are paid with funds appropriated to USOCA.
    Question. OCA plans to expand substantially the 1998 edition of the 
Consumer Resource Handbook, Why is an expansion necessary, who has 
suggested you do so, what precisely do you have in mind, and what is 
the proposed cost? What will be the additional mailing cost? Do you 
have plans to reduce mailing costs, for example by using newspaper-
weight paper?
    Answer. The next edition of the Consumer Resource Handbook produced 
by USOCA will expand its Consumer Tips section to include information 
on dealing with child care as a consumer issue, more specific 
information on car leasing, home based businesses, investing and 
pension protection. Additional directory listings for computer and 
computer software companies will be included. E-mail addresses will be 
added to all listings when available. We will delete out-of-date-
information. The new listings are the suggestions from consumers, 
government agencies, and businesses. We do not anticipate a substantial 
increase in weight, therefore, the printing and mailing costs will be 
virtually the same as they have been for the last three fiscal years. 
Our mailing costs are controlled by CIC, but we continue to ``shop'' 
for the lowest price. The use of newspaper-weight paper had been tried 
in the past. USOCA received negative responses from the public because 
the Handbook is used as reference and needs to stand up to continued 
use.
    Question. Last year, we learned that OCA discontinued using the 
Consumer Information Center to mail out the Consumer Resource Handbook, 
at a cost of $2.52 per copy more than what it would cost using CIC. In 
fiscal year 1998, do you intend to use CIC to mail out the Handbook 
should the Congress agree that OCA retain responsibility for producing 
the Handbook?
    Answer. USOCA does plan to continue to use the Consumer Information 
Center in fiscal year 1998, as long as they can provide us with the 
lowest audited mailing prices.
    USOCA mails a few thousand copies at the first class rate in 
response to requests from Congress, Governors and Lt. Governors, 
Attorneys General, district offices of Congressmen and Senators and 
other officials, and corporate and community offices when they request 
rush delivery. This special service has been provided since Mrs. 
Virginia Knauer was the USOCA Director under president Reagan.
    Question. OCA has the authority to accept corporate contributions 
for the Consumer Resource Handbook. How much do you plan to receive in 
corporate contributions in fiscal year 1998? What did the contributions 
total in fiscal year 1996?
    Answer. Last September Congress eliminated USOCA's gift acceptance 
authority in the Omnibus Appropriations Bill. Currently, USOCA is in 
the process of regaining its gift acceptance authority through the 
President's Supplemental Appropriations Bill. When USOCA receives its 
gift acceptance authority USOCA anticipates approximately $100,000 from 
private sources.
    USOCA received $2,000 from private sources for the Consumer 
Resource Handbook in fiscal year 1996, before the gift acceptance 
authority expired. These monies cannot be spent until the gift 
authority is restored. Non-public funds were used to sponsor National 
Consumer's Week events around the country totaling approximately 
$25,000. USOCA utilizes in-kind contributions from various consumer 
organizations and private sources in partnership for consumer education 
events and conferences.
    Question. Your budget indicated you plan to revive the Consumer 
Newsletter. How much will this cost, and why is reviving this 
necessary?
    Answer. USOCA has over 10,000 names and addresses of grassroots 
consumer groups; national, state and local consumer organizations; 
businesses; government; and interested parties in its newsletter 
database. The Consumer Newsletter fulfills USOCA's mission by 
informing, educating and warning interested parties about issues and 
events they need to be aware of. In addition, consumers often want to 
know how USOCA views an issue, what other Federal agencies are doing 
about a particular issue and what's new on the consumer horizon. The 
Consumer Newsletter serves this purpose and helps reduce duplication of 
effort by other agencies. The estimated cost for a quarterly newsletter 
is approximately $30,000 per year.
    Should you require additional information please let us know. We 
will be more than happy to assist you.

                          SUBCOMMITTEE RECESS

    Senator Bond. This hearing is recessed.
    [Whereupon, at 10:30 a.m., Tuesday, March 11, the 
subcommittee was recessed, to reconvene subject to the call of 
the Chair.]


 DEPARTMENTS OF VETERANS AFFAIRS AND HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT AND 
        INDEPENDENT AGENCIES APPROPRIATIONS FOR FISCAL YEAR 1998

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                        TUESDAY, MARCH 18, 1997

                                       U.S. Senate,
           Subcommittee of the Committee on Appropriations,
                                                    Washington, DC.
    The subcommittee met at 9:34 a.m., in room SD-562, Dirksen 
Senate Office Building, Hon. Christopher S. Bond (chairman) 
presiding.
    Present: Senators Bond, Campbell, Mikulski, and Boxer.

                  FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY

STATEMENT OF JAMES L. WITT, DIRECTOR
ACCOMPANIED BY:
        GARY D. JOHNSON, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER
        GEORGE OPFER, INSPECTOR GENERAL

                 OPENING STATEMENT OF CHRISTOPHER BOND

    Senator Bond. Good morning. The subcommittee hearing will 
come to order.
    The subcommittee meets today to review the budget request 
of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, and we are pleased 
to welcome the Director, James Lee Witt, and his team. Welcome, 
Mr. Witt. We appreciate all the work that FEMA has done to 
respond quickly to the most recent spate of disasters. As we 
all know, there were devastating tornadoes, flooding along the 
Ohio River, something we know too well just west of the 
Mississippi, and in the Northwest. I know that you personally 
have visited a number of the disaster areas. Our hearts and our 
thoughts go out to the victims of these disasters and we pray 
for the speedy recovery of their communities.
    FEMA is requesting a 1998 budget of $3.2 billion, of which 
$374 million would fund the operating programs, $100 million 
would fund the emergency food and shelter program, and $2.7 
billion would fund the disaster relief account. The amount 
requested for the operating programs represents a slight 
reduction below the current year, while the disaster program 
would increase $1.4 billion more than the current year 
appropriation.
    While FEMA's responsiveness is commendable, I do not think 
it has been balanced with fiscal responsibility. I continue to 
be very troubled by the management of FEMA's multibillion 
dollar disaster relief fund, which has never been audited, and 
I am very concerned about the request that is pending before 
the committee. Currently FEMA has more than 500 open disasters 
on the books dating back to 1989 with costs totaling $22 
billion. More than $4.5 billion remain to be obligated for 
these open disasters and this does not include the costs of the 
most recent Ohio flooding disasters and the tornadoes. This is 
a very significant amount of expenditures.
    The number of major disaster declarations in the 1992-96 
period has increased 54 percent above the preceding 5-year 
period and FEMA's calculation of 5-year historical average cost 
of disaster relief for fiscal year 1998, excluding the 
Northridge earthquake, is $2.3 billion, an increase of 28 
percent over last year's 5-year average of $1.8 billion.
    Now, FEMA has acknowledged that the escalation in cost is 
due not only to the increase in large-scale disasters, but also 
because ``The scope of Federal disaster assistance has 
expanded, the Federal role and response has expanded 
considerably, and State and local governments are increasingly 
turning to the Federal Government for assistance.''
    It seemed to me that FEMA has significant mission creep. It 
is no longer simply to come in when States and local 
governments are overwhelmed, which was the intent of the 
Stafford Act. Indeed, FEMA itself has said, ``The current 
system of disaster relief tends to discourage States and local 
governments from assuming primary responsibility for initiating 
appropriate mitigation, preparedness, response, and recovery 
measures before a disaster strikes.''
    And FEMA's role seems to be forever expanding, illustrated 
by the spate of disaster declarations for snow removal in the 
last 5 years. There have been no snow disasters declared from 
1979 to 1993, some 14 years, and there have been calls for FEMA 
to reimburse the State of New York for costs related to the TWA 
disaster.
    To my knowledge, the disaster relief program is the only 
program in the Federal Government that does not have to 
consider fiscal constraints whatsoever. FEMA's other programs 
do not compete with this program for funding, so there is no 
incentive within the agency to exercise prudent stewardship of 
this fund.
    When disaster relief funds have fallen short, Congress has 
responded quickly time and again to FEMA's request for 
additional funds in an effort to meet the needs of disaster 
victims expeditiously, and to provide this aid we have slashed 
low income housing and other programs to offset the costs. We 
have cut other VA-HUD programs totaling $8 billion under my 
chairmanship to pay for disaster assistance in the past 2 
years. Yet, we have learned that some of these funds have gone 
to such questionable projects as golf courses and the planting 
of shrubbery.
    Recently FEMA was, as we learned from the news media, 
considering expending $500,000 to replace a bottle village, 
which some have named folk art and others have called an 
eyesore, damaged in the Northridge earthquake and eligible for 
FEMA funding since it happened to be placed on the Register of 
Historic Places. I was glad to learn that Friday you made the 
right decision and decided against funding this project.
    Following the Northridge earthquake, about $400 million has 
gone to one university, UCLA, clearly an institution with 
strong revenue generating capabilities. We need to review 
whether we can continue to make such expenditures in this era 
of belt tightening.
    We have learned about some of these expenditures through 
inspector general's reports and press accounts since FEMA 
budgets do not provide documentation beyond very broad 
categories of the specific projects being funded. In fact, FEMA 
centrally has no information on the numbers, costs, or status 
of the public assistance projects currently underway. There are 
literally thousands of such projects underway.
    The Agency's responsiveness to disasters is truly laudable, 
and I join with others who commend you, Mr. Witt, and the 
Agency for moving quickly. But suggestions and even directives 
from Congress to submit proposals to reform this program to be 
fiscally responsible have gone unheeded or have apparently been 
treated someplace in the administration as low priority at 
best.
    In September 1993, the administration's ``National 
Performance Review'' report called for, by March 1995, a 
comprehensive plan, including proposed executive orders and 
legislation to develop objective disaster declaration criteria 
and comprehensive Federal policies to reduce the Federal costs 
of disaster assistance. To my knowledge, this commitment has 
been ignored.
    A series of GAO and inspector general reports have been 
issued over the past 2 years at the request of this committee. 
They have outlined a number of options for reducing disaster 
relief costs, including establishing more explicit and 
stringent criteria for providing Federal disaster assistance, 
eliminating public assistance grants for revenue producing 
private nonprofits, shortening the appeals process from three 
levels to one, making marinas, golf courses, trees, and shrubs, 
except in parks, ineligible, and clarifying the criteria 
related to the standards to which damaged facilities should be 
restored. For the most part, these recommendations have not 
been acted upon.
    Our efforts time and again to get this Agency to propose 
plans for implementing those recommendations and reducing 
excessive costs have been stonewalled. We discussed these 
issues in the hearings for the past 2 years. We have been 
through this before. This is not new. This is not a surprise. 
We included a requirement in the fiscal year 1997 committee 
report for a proposal for reform, including a request for 
necessary legislation, if that is required, and we included a 
statutory requirement in the fiscal year 1997 VA-HUD bill. To 
date, these directives have not been fully met.
    Now, we received a draft report on March 12 which was a 
about 45 days late in response to the statutory requirement in 
the fiscal year 1997 VA-HUD bill for a plan to reduce disaster 
expenditure. The report is still in draft form. It falls short 
of the mark and it outlines options. That is not what we had in 
mind. You knew and we knew what the options were. We do not 
need to be told what the options are again. We want specific 
suggestions and recommendations.
    In response to questions submitted at last year's hearing, 
you said:

    FEMA is committed to implementing all the inspector 
general's recommendations in principle. We believe that our 
disaster criteria initiative, which will contain disaster 
payment thresholds, as well as declaration thresholds, will 
comprise the major portion of reforms called for by both the 
GAO and the FEMA inspector general and lay the foundation for 
substantial long-term Federal cost share reductions.

    Now, the draft report is completely silent on the issue of 
disaster criteria. It does not propose an implementation plan 
for the inspector general's recommendations. It only repeats 
some of the options that the inspector general and the GAO have 
proposed in the past.
    The report does not address the issue of State cost shares. 
While States are required to cost share in the disaster relief 
program, I understand FEMA does not enforce its own regulations 
and require cost shares to be put forth at the beginning of a 
project. Apparently the State of California has not 
appropriated one dime--one dime--to match the $5 billion in 
FEMA-funded projects. Because the cost share is not required up 
front, the State has little incentive to control and reduce 
costs.
    In addition, last year we received testimony from the GAO 
that:

    FEMA's criteria for determining the extent of permanent 
restoration for public facilities and for determining the 
eligibility of certain private nonprofit facilities are 
ambiguous. FEMA relies on States to ensure that expenditures 
are limited to eligible items.

    Regrettably, I have seen absolutely no evidence that these 
massive loopholes have been closed.
    While some management improvements have been made in such 
areas as centralizing processing, reconciling the disaster 
relief fund so it can be audited for the first time in fiscal 
year 1998, and other administrative reforms which have reduced 
costs marginally, the commitments that have been made to us and 
that we have directed you to fulfill to address the disaster 
criteria have not been met, and the really hard choices have 
not been made.
    Let me be quite clear. I am a strong supporter of FEMA 
getting to a disaster site quickly and dispensing aid to needy 
individuals as soon as possible. I am a supporter of helping 
communities rebuild so they can get on with their lives. But I 
am not a supporter of using the disaster relief fund to gold-
plate revenue generating facilities and to finance golf courses 
in wealthy communities. And I cannot condone fiscal 
irresponsibility.
    Last year, at the suggestion and at the implied request of 
FEMA, we did go forward with some of the language that had been 
added in the Senate to limit disaster relief. Let me be quite 
clear, Mr. Witt. We expect you to come forth with a 
comprehensive plan. We want to know where it is, and if we do 
not have one in place by the time this bill comes out of 
committee, I will strongly consider working with my colleagues 
to implement our own system. Something has got to be done. You 
all have had a couple of years now since we started requesting 
and talking about this to come forward, and if you do not do it 
or at least suggest to us how it can be done, we may have to do 
it for you because the scope and the amount of these disaster 
requests is out of hand.
    Now, I am also very concerned about the supplemental 
request that we understand the administration will be 
submitting. It is my understanding that FEMA currently 
anticipates requirements totaling $2.9 billion in fiscal year 
1997. Yet, the administration will request about $1 billion, 
according to the latest rumors, of which some portion would be 
in a contingency fund. How we will pay for the supplemental and 
the additional requirements coming due in fiscal year 1998 
totaling some $5.9 billion will be an enormous challenge.
    There are also very serious problems with the 
administration's proposals for funding future disasters through 
a contingency fund. Mr. Witt, this is nothing but a gimmick. I 
could not take that to the floor with a straight face. My 
colleagues rightly would pound me about the head, and we expect 
better from OMB and from FEMA. This is a very irresponsible 
fiscal gimmick. The proposal to treat these funds off budget is 
just not going to work. The Congress has made its position very 
clear.
    The fiscal year 1998 5-year historical average annual cost 
to FEMA disaster relief is $2.3 billion. We know that close to 
this level of funds will be needed next year and these funds 
need to be budgeted.
    In addition, the contingency fund concept gives entirely 
too much discretion to the administration to distribute these 
funds with virtually no oversight of Congress. I have been in 
the executive branch, and I would love to have a honey pot to 
go around and hand out money. It makes you feel good. People 
love you. You come in town with free money, and it is great. 
Love to do that. Nothing is more fun. Unfortunately, that is 
not how Government should work. There should be explicit 
standards and criteria. We do not have those.
    We also have questions about the proposed $50 million 
predisaster mitigation fund you have requested. We have seen no 
details for this request or any proposal on how we would pay 
for it. Moreover, there is $1.4 billion in existing 
postdisaster hazard mitigation funds currently unobligated. So, 
there are significant questions about why States are not 
spending these funds and how the proposed new program would be 
more effective.
    There are a number of very important issues to be 
addressed, including the status of the flood insurance fund, 
the level of Treasury borrowing in that program, the future of 
chemical stockpile emergency preparedness programs, and FEMA's 
progress in developing performance measures for the States 
through performance partnership agreements and assessing 
States' capabilities in disaster response.
    In closing, Mr. Witt, you have earned well deserved 
accolades for the many improvements in FEMA's responsiveness in 
the last 4 years. You have done an excellent job personally and 
made great personal commitments to be there and to have your 
people on the ground, but the steps that we must take for 
fiscal responsibility are not there. They have got to be put in 
place, and I would hope that you would suggest to us and help 
us work out how they are put in place rather than have us do it 
a cappella because one way or the other, it is going to be 
done.
    I am now going to turn to my distinguished ranking member, 
Senator Mikulski.

                     STATEMENT OF BARBARA MIKULSKI

    Senator Mikulski. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.
    I want to welcome FEMA Director James Lee Witt. I want to 
applaud your work with streamlining FEMA and making it a more 
effective and efficient Agency.
    The chairman raises some very important fiscal questions, 
but I would like to go back to 5 years ago when FEMA itself was 
a disaster, when our readiness and our response was a national 
embarrassment. We were not ready in most States to respond to 
disaster. All 50 States were very uneven in their preparedness, 
and those often at most risk were the least prepared. We 
remember with great sadness what happened in Florida when the 
very nature of what occurred overwhelmed the capacity of even 
the Governor to estimate what damage that he had. Thanks to 
you, Mr. Witt, you then have made us fit for duty in readiness 
and response.
    But I recall that there were three R's to what we had 
talked about for FEMA. It was called readiness, response, and 
rehab. The rehab now is what is being discussed by the 
chairman, and I believe that those are very serious concerns.
    But I think we also need to note that it was under your 
leadership that many of the recommendations of the National 
Academy of Public Administration about how to improve FEMA in 
its work in saving lives and saving communities were followed. 
So, we thank you for implementation of the National Association 
of Public Administrators' recommendations about bringing down 
the artificial wall between the old cold war, civil defense 
approach and the new realities of a risk-based strategy.
    I believe that FEMA does do what it was supposed to do, 
which is save lives and save communities. Now we are called 
upon, because we have now done the first two R's and done them 
very well, to focus on the third R which is rehabilitation, or, 
in some instances, reengineering. In other words, in 
communities that are most at risk for flood or hurricane, what 
are the things that could be done beforehand that would prevent 
future disaster funds for request.
    I believe the chairman's concerns are valid and I think you 
would agree with them.
    But thank you for the first two R's, readiness and 
response, saving lives, saving communities. Now we will move to 
the issues related to rehabilitation and reengineering, if you 
will, of those disaster-prone areas, and we will come back and 
talk about that.
    I also want to talk about the issue of mission creep. I 
know that they are of concern to you, but I know that every 
time a disaster occurs, that FEMA is under tremendous pressure 
both from a Governor and its two Senators for you to show up, 
to be able to be there to provide disaster assistance. 
Everybody likes the photographs, the helicopters landing, going 
out there to show where people feel powerless, at least that 
our response is not.
    I believe that that is where that is coming when we talk 
about the lack of matching funds and so on. I believe there 
needs to be work done with the National Governors Association 
really on what are clear triggers that bring you in and also a 
real commitment on their cost sharing.
    The chairman's concerns are valid, but I believe you are 
placed under extraordinary pressure not only by the White House 
to respond with compassion and effectiveness, but by the 
Governor and the two Senators in those areas to really be able 
to do that. So, I believe that much work needs to be done, but 
I do not believe the work to be done is a one-sided effort.
    The other is this whole issue of what this committee has 
borne because FEMA is in it. We all recall after the tremendous 
problems in California, this subcommittee was called upon to 
fund the entire disaster relief and out of the HUD account. We 
never quite recovered from that in terms of our appropriations. 
Again, the chairman's concerns are quite valid, but I think we 
need to talk about not a honey pot, but really a specific way 
of having the resources that, therefore, are not charged 
against this committee.
    I like the chairman am very reluctant to put big ticket 
items off budget. I would agree that it should not, but I am 
not quite sure what is the best thinking because we cannot 
appropriate for every disaster that might affect the United 
States of America.
    I know Senator Glenn, when he chaired Government Ops, was 
looking at this. I would hope Government Ops would give us some 
recommendations as well as ours.
    I believe Senator Bond is quite serious when he says if you 
do not come up with the recommendations, we will. I would 
prefer we could do it together and that we could do it not only 
with OMB but with the Governors because I think now is the time 
to say thank you for response, thank you for readiness. Let us 
now go on to the rehabilitation aspects, and most of all, the 
other R which is called fiscally responsible. I think then we 
will really have had a holistic approach to this.
    Thank you and I look forward to talking with you about the 
national issues as well as some in Maryland.

         GETTING GOVERNORS INVOLVED IN DISASTER PROGRAM CHANGES

    Senator Bond. Thank you very much, Senator Mikulski.
    I would agree with you that the Director and the Agency 
come under great pressure not only from the White House but 
from Governors and Senators. There is nothing like having a 
solid wall behind you to stiffen your back and help you say no 
if we can get Congress to act, in cooperation with the 
administration and the Governors, on specific criteria. It 
takes some of the pressure off of Mr. Witt and the Agency.
    Senator Mikulski. That is right. Mr. Chairman, you were a 
Governor and by all accounts, a very excellent Governor. That 
is one of the reasons the people of Missouri sent you for your 
first term, and an excellent Senator why they sent you for your 
second term.
    I really do think the Governors have to come in on this, 
and maybe you and I could actually meet with them as well.
    Senator Bond. We will make a decision here that you and I 
will request of the National Governors Association their views 
on this. I will ask our staff to prepare that.
    Senator Mikulski. I think that will be excellent.
    Senator Bond. We will start with something, but we are 
really awaiting the word from the administration because you 
are the people who do it and you know how it works or does not 
work.
    So, with that, forgive me for taking up some time. Let me 
turn to Senator Boxer. Good morning, Senator Boxer.

                       STATEMENT OF BARBARA BOXER

    Senator Boxer. Good morning, Mr. Chairman. Good morning, 
Senator Mikulski, and good morning, James Lee Witt.
    I want to say that I have come to know James Lee Witt 
almost too well and his wonderful staff. It seems that we pick 
ourselves up from one disaster and we have got another one in 
my magnificent State, having gone through so many of these, 
both as a Member of Congress where I had one terrible 
earthquake in San Francisco where we are still picking up, if 
you will, the pieces because FEMA at that time simply did not 
have the ability to respond.
    I remember very well that when I came here, Mr. Chairman, 
the faith and trust in FEMA was almost nonexistent, and I have 
to say to James Lee Witt--and I know that not every single 
Senator is going to agree with you on every decision you make. 
No two people could agree on everything, and you and I have not 
agreed on everything either, of course, as I fight for my 
State. This is the natural course of events.
    What you have done for your country is just fantastic 
because you have taken an Agency that was in the depths and you 
have brought it up and you have made people understand that we 
can respond with a sense of fairness and a sense of urgency and 
a sense of efficiency.
    Mr. Chairman, I do not have a statement for you, but what I 
would like to do is respond to some of the issues that were 
raised, I understand, by you before I came in.
    I want to say something about earthquakes in general, Mr. 
Chairman. You and I have experienced floods in our States and I 
have had that awful experience. Earthquakes are very different 
than any other disaster because the damage is not readily seen 
at first, and that is the reason why we have moving estimates. 
That is the reason why Governor Wilson has not yet made the 
match because we still do not have the final answer on the 
number. So, these things happen and they look strange, but I 
would urge you to realize that it is a very, very different 
thing.
    If you look at the California Seismic Safety Commission, 
what they said about Northridge--and I will quote--``Much of 
the damage was hidden under fireproofing and finishes.'' So, 
you do not find out. You see a little crack. It does not look 
like anything and then you get in there and you realize the 
incredible damage.
    Also, on UCLA, it is, in fact, a public supported 
university and it is a major medical center, so it is a public 
institution.
    I would agree with you, Mr. Chairman. I voted for the 
McCain amendment to end the practice of funding golf courses 
and so on. I think we really need reform and I will join with 
you in doing that. You and I have gone through enough disasters 
to understand that we know who really needs the help and we 
want to be able to provide it.
    First of all, I am so privileged to be with both of you. 
You are such leaders in this area, and I hope that as a result 
of my experience I can help you and I can work with you in 
making the reforms we need and still be able to respond to 
people in need.
    With that, I want to say to you that what is very 
interesting in California now, people are talking in the flood-
prone areas about ways that they cannot rebuild in flood-prone 
areas. I think it is happening in California. People are 
realizing you just cannot keep going back and making people 
whole. We have to have policies here that recognize there are 
certain areas that you are never going to be able to secure 
from flooding and so on.
    So, I am very pleased and privileged to be on this 
subcommittee. I want to work with all of you and James Lee Witt 
the best that I can. I want to thank you very much for this 
opportunity.
    Senator Bond. Thank you very much, Senator Boxer. Certainly 
you have had the experience with disasters that exceeds that 
which we have had in our State, but we have had quite a bit of 
experience with it too. That is why we think the Agency is so 
important.
    Now we will turn to the leader of that Agency with all the 
attention. Mr. Witt, welcome.

                       STATEMENT OF JAMES L. WITT

    Mr. Witt. Mr. Chairman, members of the committee, thank you 
very much. I am pleased to be here with you this morning to 
discuss FEMA's appropriations. Also with me this morning is 
Gary Johnson, our Chief Financial Officer. I hope that together 
we can be responsive to your questions. We have a capable team 
behind us who can respond to any specific questions.
    Each year it seems like we start out at appropriation 
hearings discussing where we have been and what we have been 
doing. Mr. Chairman, you briefly laid out what we have faced 
over the last few weeks. I do not think I have ever seen a 
January like the one we had this year. We had floods in the 
West, in the States of California, Washington, Oregon, Idaho, 
and Nevada. At the same period, we had blizzards in the 
Midwest, tornadoes in Alabama and Georgia, preceding the floods 
in Ohio, Indiana, West Virginia, Kentucky, and Tennessee, and 
tornadoes in Arkansas. We had 59 fatalities in this last round 
of disasters.
    I will be brief so that we have time to answer your 
questions.
    I think, Mr. Chairman, that you and the members of this 
committee have seen the difference that mitigation makes in a 
community that has been hit by a disaster. The reason that FEMA 
is requesting $50 million for the predisaster mitigation 
program is to try to bring the insurance industry and local and 
State governments into the fold to help us to eliminate and 
high-risk areas. The fact that every $1 we spend in the area of 
predisaster mitigation can save $2 in future taxpayer dollars 
is well documented. I think that we need to change the 
direction we are going as far as dealing with disaster costs.
    I totally agree with your view that the costs of disasters 
have escalated and need to be controlled. We need to redefine 
what we fund and what we do not fund. We should target our 
funding to address the health and safety of individuals and 
communities. We will work with you and this committee, Mr. 
Chairman, to develop language for legislation in that area.
    The idea of reducing risk is very prevalent. I have talked 
to many Governors, including Governor Voinovich of Ohio, just 
this past week, Governor Underwood of West Virginia, the 
Governor of Tennessee, other Governors at press conferences and 
those with whom we toured communities. They all support 
preventive measures to keep from repeating disaster costs in 
communities where we can mitigate that particular risk. I think 
that is the direction that we need to head in.
    Disaster costs have escalated despite the fact that over 
the past 4 years, we have declared only 24 more disasters than 
during the previous administration. We have also denied 56 
requests for disaster declarations during that time period.
    Therefore, it is important that we look at the 
implementation of the disaster program and how we work with the 
States and local communities on predisaster programs. All of 
the staff and I recognize the need for a new direction, and we 
are working very diligently to make it happen.

                           PREPARED STATEMENT

    I am very proud of what we have accomplished to date, 
including the cost-cutting measures that we have taken. We have 
been very, very busy, and I do not apologize for what we have 
not been able to do. We are making a difference in communities 
as they rebuild and in people's lives. I am very proud that we 
have been able to cut costs related to the application process. 
I am proud of FEMA and I am proud of the employees. They are 
very dedicated and they work very hard, Mr. Chairman.
    [The statement follows:]

                  Prepared Statement of James L. Witt

    Good morning Mr. Chairman, members of the subcommittee. I'm pleased 
to be with you this morning to discuss the appropriation needs of the 
Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) for fiscal year 1998.
    I am joined today by Gary Johnson, our Chief Financial Officer, and 
together I hope we can be responsive to any questions you might have 
regarding our request. Also with me are the rest of our executive 
management team who can help me in responding to specific questions, if 
needed.
    It seems that each year we are talking about incredible events that 
we could never forecast. In the past it has been historic flooding in 
the Midwest, a huge earthquake in southern California, a tragic bombing 
in Oklahoma City, or any number of hurricanes that have devastated 
parts of our east coast with troubling frequency.
    I mention all these events as ones we could not forecast. But just 
because we can't see an event coming doesn't mean we can't lessen its 
impact. We can make a difference. And it's my hope that in fiscal year 
1997 and fiscal year 1998, we at FEMA will begin to suggest a new path 
we can take.
    We need to do more, much more, from this day forward, to reduce the 
risks facing our communities. We can't stop an earthquake or a 
hurricane, but we can build better and stronger. We have to get this 
message across. We have to break this cycle.
    Disasters are no longer unusual or singular events. Their 
frequency, and their degree of devastation, demand that we raise our 
own expectations about what we can do. We need to set higher standards 
in building our communities. We have to make our mission of protecting 
public health and safety a shared goal. We can do better. And we know 
that.
    Yes, we do a great deal in the area of mitigation right now. 
Section 404 of the Stafford Act has been a great success in towns like 
Arnold, Missouri, Memphis, Tennessee and Miami, Florida. All of these 
places have suffered from devastating natural disasters and have 
undertaken mitigation measures to reduce the future risk to their 
communities. Actions including moving structures out of the floodplain, 
seismic retrofit of critical facilities and floodproofing of 
residences.
    But we shouldn't have to wait for problems to happen. While some 
FEMA programs already have made significant strides in mitigation 
ranging from our work on building codes to the U.S. Fire 
Administration's leadership on the use of sprinkler systems, much of 
our most significant work in reducing risks can only be triggered by a 
disaster. Foresight, planning, intelligent preparedness work, cannot be 
rewarded under our current disaster assistance program--nature has to 
force our hand.
    The strong message of what communities can do to strengthen codes, 
to make schools and public facilities safer, to lessen the impact of 
these events, has to be heard outside of this committee room, outside 
of the walls of FEMA, outside of the emergency management community, 
and insurance roundtables.
    The idea of reducing the risks has to enter the mainstream. No one 
knows better than the members of the appropriations subcommittees in 
each chamber, that the losses from recent disasters are neither small 
nor rare.
    That is why we are seeking $50 million in pre-disaster mitigation 
funding to begin a program of forging coalitions to create disaster-
resistant communities. And we do mean coalitions where everyone plays 
an important part.
    If pre-disaster mitigation is considered ``a FEMA program'', then 
it's a failure. This has to be a program that leverages the resources 
and energy of other Federal agencies, States and local governments, and 
especially the private sector, and brings them in as partners. They 
have to recognize their stake in this; they too have to provide the 
leadership.
    We believe many State and local governments are ready and willing 
to join us. The business community and the voluntary community are 
ready to join in. We think this program will demonstrate their 
commitment and resolve. It's my belief that this is the ultimate route 
for reducing disaster costs.
    We must continue to be good stewards of the funds you provide for 
disaster response and recovery. We must continue to re-invent the ways 
we deliver assistance that help to save resources and provide better 
customer service.
    But we also believe that pre-disaster mitigation, along with the 
enormous amount of post-disaster mitigation work we accomplish, is the 
path to increased safety and reduced costs. I hope you'll provide us 
the opportunity to continue these efforts.
    The resources you have already provided have allowed us to begin to 
provide important tools to State and local governments to assess their 
risks and to begin to establish a framework for building, and 
retrofitting, smarter and safer:
  --Just this month we have completed the initial development of the 
        first nationally-applicable tool to estimate losses from a 
        natural hazard (at this point, earthquakes, but we hope to make 
        this an all-hazard system) and to demonstrate the impact of 
        mitigation actions.
  --This year we will complete and issue nationally-applicable 
        technical guidelines for the seismic rehabilitation of existing 
        buildings--this is critical. For example, the replacement cost 
        for bridges averages about $135 per square foot, while the 
        retrofitting for seismic strengthening averages about $38 per 
        square foot.
  --This year, in partnership with the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS), 
        we will be issuing the 1997 update of the NEHRP (national 
        earthquake hazard reduction program) recommended provisions for 
        seismic regulations for new buildings. This update is 
        incorporating information based on new USGS spectral response 
        maps.
  --And this year we will continue our partnership work in developing a 
        proposed international building code. My visit to Kobe, Japan 
        following that devastating earthquake in 1995 impressed upon me 
        the need for international standards. We have much to share and 
        we also have much to learn.
    I have gone on at some length on the matter of mitigation, or risk 
reduction, because we at FEMA are not satisfied to pride ourselves on 
fast response or long-term recovery programs. We want to do less of 
that response and recovery business--and I hope every member of the 
committee will take this message back to your States and districts.
    You can provide the kind of leadership that will put risk reduction 
into the mainstream, to make it a fundamental part of community 
development and community life.
    This year we are asking for $2.4 billion for the disaster relief 
fund (DRF) to ``clean up'' all of our disaster requirements as we move 
into fiscal year 1998. That's a large sum, but it represents our 
estimate of the remaining costs of years of disaster activity. Such an 
appropriation would allow us to meet our commitments to hundreds of 
communities who are still recovering and rebuilding from the 
devastating impacts of disasters.
    Congress has been generous in providing assistance for disaster 
relief. But we all realize that being locked in a culture of 
supplemental spending is not a prudent approach for any of us who work 
in this arena. For this reason the President's budget proposes that 
Congress appropriate $5.8 billion as a contingency fund for the 
emergency requirements for disasters and designate that amount as an 
emergency funding requirement.
    These funds would be available only to the extent that the 
President designates them as emergency funding requirements and only 15 
days after notifying Congress that the funds have been so designated. 
This approach is similar to that taken by Congress and the President in 
the Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act of 1994, Public Law 103-
211.
    This proposal is designed to avoid the numerous emergency 
supplemental appropriations that historically occur each year and would 
support the six agencies, including FEMA, involved with significant 
disaster responsibilities.
    I also want to report to you on the progress we have made in 
improving our disaster response and recovery programs. Since we met 
last year we have worked to implement the commitments we made to the 
committees. And we have taken actions on suggestions the committees 
have recommended.
    One significant area of improvement has been our ability to manage 
more closely disasters from previous years. These are the disaster 
events that initially persisted due to their scope and complexity, but 
then remained open far too long. You may remember I told the committees 
that disaster close-out was a top priority for me because of the 
potential cost savings.
    This effort is beginning to pay off. During the last year, FEMA 
closed out 16 disasters. Since February of 1994, we closed out 415 
human services programs, resulting in a reconciliation of more than 
$1.8 billion to the disaster relief fund from disasters declared as 
long ago as fiscal year 1975. Of the $1.8 billion reconciled, over $400 
million were returned to the disaster relief fund. This reduced the 
Federal Government's interest obligation accordingly.
    Our use of our 1-800 Teleregistration System has greatly reduced 
our costs to take an application for assistance. Where our on-site 
costs used to average close to $60 per application, teleregistration 
has brought that down to $19 per application.
    Along with, and as a result of our careful auditing practices, we 
have also been pursuing an aggressive debt collection process. Up to 
this point, we've collected close to $4 million in debts.
    We have taken all of these steps because we are aware of the 
obligations that come with the large appropriations that have been 
entrusted to FEMA. And the cost savings in these areas are an important 
part of the Government-wide effort to achieve the President's goal of a 
balanced budget.
    The recent draft report we sent to the committees on FEMA's 
improvements in financial management details the efforts we have made 
in grants management, non-specific disaster spending and additional 
steps we have taken to prudently manage disaster funds.
    We are streamlining our disaster relief procedures by proposing the 
elimination of one appeal level for the public assistance program. We 
are also making other procedural adjustments that will reduce costs now 
and in the out years.
    In fact, this year we are undertaking a complete reengineering of 
our infrastructure system. We are looking at it from start to finish to 
determine what parts of our program make sense and what parts need to 
be changed. This comprehensive approach will result in further 
improvements and savings.
    One of our logistics management initiatives has been the disaster 
information systems clearinghouse (DISC). The DISC deploys standard 
equipment packs to disaster field offices within 24 hours, recaptures 
the equipment after it is used at the disaster site, refurbishes and 
repacks it as necessary, and returns it to the inventory for the next 
disaster.
    Since August of 1995 through January of this year, the DISC process 
has filled orders for more than 4,400 personal computers, 900 printers, 
250 fax machines, and 2,800 cellular phones from disaster field 
offices. If this equipment had been bought new off the shelf the cost 
of just these four items, considered to be staples of the modern 
workplace, would have exceeded $10 million.
    Concurrent with that work, and in response to the appropriations 
conference report, I convened an Agency-wide task force which has been 
reviewing all aspects of our work and exploring areas where we can cut 
costs. Because of the significance of this project, I wanted to have 
our partners at the State and local level play a role in developing 
this report.
    But we can give you a few examples of some of the options we are 
considering with our State and local partners both in terms of 
regulatory changes at FEMA and legislative changes to the Stafford Act. 
Some of the regulatory options would propose to:
  --Eliminate eligibility of publicly owned facilities which are rented 
        out to private enterprise for revenue generation, including 
        sports arenas, commercial space, or industrial parks.
  --Eliminate funding for tree and shrub replacement. FEMA currently 
        has an interim policy that prohibits funding replacement of 
        trees and shrubs on otherwise eligible public properties. A 
        formal policy will be circulated to the States for review.
  --Eliminate building contents or cultural objects. Eliminate 
        assistance for cultural and decorative objects such as 
        paintings, statues, antique airplanes or trains or fire trucks, 
        etc.
    The legislative options discussed in our report would:
  --Abolish or restructure the community disaster loan (CDL) program. 
        Although used infrequently, the CDL often becomes a grant 
        rather than a loan because of the forgiveness feature. In fact, 
        $4 has been forgiven for every $1 collected.
  --Eliminate funding for revenue-producing publicly owned recreational 
        facilities such as yacht harbors, golf courses, and stadiums.
  --Require that all private non-profit (PNP's) applicants go through 
        the Small Business Administration (SBA) loan program prior to 
        applying for public assistance. This would encourage PNP's to 
        mitigate potential disaster losses and equalize the treatment 
        of private and public utilities.
  --Eliminate funding for rural utilities service electrical and 
        utility cooperatives due to their commercial nature and the 
        availability of rural utilities service or Small Business 
        Administration loans. Since the cooperatives are eligible to 
        obtain loans, they should be required to do so first, rather 
        than automatically qualifying for a grant.
    These are all options that should contribute to an informed public 
dialogue on disaster costs. But it should be remembered that the report 
has one strong conclusion that harkens back to the mitigation message:

          If the only solutions implemented involve shifting the burden 
        within the society rather than a reduction of actual risk of 
        loss, everyone--taxpayers, insurance policy holders, municipal 
        bonds, etc. will lose.

    Moving from theory to the all too real world, it has, once again, 
been a very difficult year in natural disasters. The hurricane season 
was severe once again, with Hurricane Fran being especially widespread 
in its impact. And we also experienced more State-wide flooding in 
California and an extremely harsh winter in the Northwest that 
compounded problems from the flooding of the previous year.
    There are other commitments from last year that we have kept that I 
would like to review. As promised last year, we have published for 
comment a proposed rule addressing eligible costs for snow emergencies. 
Based on the comments we have received and the recent experiences in 
several States, we will likely publish a new proposed rule in the near 
future.
    Fortunately, this winter has not been as severe in the East as the 
last, but we have had important snow declarations in Minnesota and the 
Dakotas that have been, perhaps, even more extreme.
    In these snow declarations we have maintained our policy of only 
clearing primary routes to protect public health and safety. We have 
also worked to hold States more accountable for their work in disaster 
preparedness and response and recovery work. The steps they have taken 
in self-assessment of their programs is helping to establish a clear 
base-line of capabilities at the State level.
    Additionally, our new budget will, as in fiscal year 1997, continue 
to support State Hazard Mitigation Officers. Again, this consistency 
will help to bring the emphasis on risk reduction into the mainstream. 
And this work is taking place within the context of the Performance 
Partnership Agreement (PPA). The PPA has streamlined our assistance to 
States and has simplified our processes and encouraged State 
initiatives.
    I will also continue to work with EPA and DOT to have all of us 
work closer in the area of hazardous materials. The more we can mesh 
our efforts, perhaps even consolidating our funding streams, the better 
it will be for the States and the front line responders.
    My earlier discussion on building hazard-resistant communities 
should sound familiar in some respects, because it is building upon 
another Governmental success story: the National Flood Insurance 
Program.
    Both the compliance provisions of the Flood Reform Act of 1994, and 
our own ``Cover America'' marketing campaign have moved us up to nearly 
3.5 million policies in place.
    The coming year will bring forth more information, from studies 
that the reform act mandated, to tell us what we can do with rate 
structures, and what the impacts of any changes would be to communities 
and the program itself.
    But even in a time of higher borrowing by the flood fund, it is 
important to ask what the Nation's resistance to risks and disasters 
would look like without the NFIP? It would mean no flood maps, little 
mitigation, weaker codes, bad zoning, more Federal disaster spending, 
and more private and public losses of all kinds.
    The NFIP is, in microcosm, an example of risk reduction as a 
mainstream approach: policies that are sold by local agents, policies 
that are required by local lending institutions, and communities that 
enforce sound flood plain management in exchange for the availability 
of affordable flood insurance.
    This budget for fiscal year 1998 also contains a request for $100 
million for the Emergency Food and Shelter Program. At a time when 
great changes are affecting national social service programs it is 
vitally important that a supplemental program such as EFS, that assists 
the private non-profits ability to provide emergency help, be 
maintained at this level.
    As with our other efforts, the EFS program encourages coalitions 
within communities and leverages funds to help people in greatest need.
    I am also concerned with the health and safety of our employees 
nationwide and you will see line items that reflect this concern.
    Throughout these constant challenges of hard work and long hours 
under the most difficult conditions, FEMA employees performed with 
dedication and grace. One of the most pleasant parts of my job is 
reading the customer service surveys that disaster applicants fill out. 
Their level of satisfaction is extraordinarily high, but it's the 
personal touches that grab my attention.
    On many of these surveys, people take the time to tell us that not 
only was their service swift, but it was sympathetic and courteous. 
That people were treated with dignity. FEMA employees put a good and, I 
believe, true face on Government service. I'm very proud of that.
    In summary, this year's budget is not a wish list, but operates 
within budgetary constraints. It is a prudent and sensible spending 
plan that looks to the future rather than holding on to the past. It 
has one message:
    We can't go on as we have; from this day forward we have to start 
reducing the risks we face.
    During my tenure at FEMA the appropriations committees have not 
simply provided us the resources to do our job, but have offered the 
encouragement and support that have heightened our morale and 
contributed to our success. On behalf of all the employees at FEMA, I 
thank you for that support.
    I hope that in fiscal year 1998 we can continue that tradition.
    Thank you for your time and attention. I'd be pleased to answer any 
questions you might have.

                     STATUS OF DISASTER RELIEF FUND

    Senator Bond. Thank you very much, Mr. Witt.
    Let me turn to the status of the disaster relief fund 
first. What is the current balance in the disaster relief fund 
and when do you project the fund will be depleted?
    Mr. Johnson. Mr. Chairman, as of last Friday the 
unobligated balance in the disaster relief fund was $2.295 
billion. Without the assistance that is included in the 
supplemental request pending at the White House, we would 
project right now that we would be unable to meet obligations 
this year by about $442 million. Without the supplemental 
appropriation, we will be forced sometime this spring to 
revisit how we allocate our moneys for our public assistance 
type projects to ensure that we have dollars available to meet 
individual victims' needs.
    Senator Bond. With almost $2.3 billion you would run out 
this spring?
    Mr. Johnson. We estimate that by the end of the fiscal 
year, Mr. Chairman, we would be short $442 million to meet 
obligations against requirements. By spring, we would have to 
begin to adjust how we would allocate money to the open 
disasters to ensure that we have dollars available for 
immediate needs of victims.
    Senator Bond. Mr. Witt, why are the current projections 
exceeding the projections contained in the congressional budget 
justification which showed a yearend carryover of $100 million? 
Are the most recent spate of disasters the reason?
    Mr. Witt. I think so, yes, Mr. Chairman.
    Senator Bond. It's not Northridge?
    Mr. Witt. Yes, sir; partly.
    Senator Bond. How much has that Northridge estimate gone up 
this year?
    Mr. Johnson. Mr. Chairman since the budget submission was 
forwarded to you, the obligations and projections for 
Northridge went up about $200 million.
    Senator Bond. What is required to meet the cost of all open 
disasters and those projected for the balance of the year? In 
other words, to wipe the slate clean, what is your best 
estimate of the total amount needed? And will the 
administration request this amount in the supplemental?
    Mr. Witt. I believe, Mr. Chairman, it was $2.4 billion when 
the budget was submitted.
    Senator Bond. $2.4 billion?
    Mr. Witt. Yes, sir.
    Senator Bond. I had heard the current reestimate was $2.9 
billion.
    Mr. Johnson. That's correct, Mr. Chairman, based on more 
current forecasting that we have done since the budget request 
was prepared. It has escalated up to about $2.9 billion.
    Senator Bond. Since we have not gotten the supplemental 
request yet, can we expect that $2.9 billion will be in the 
supplemental request?
    Mr. Johnson. No, Mr. Chairman. I do not think you will see 
that. I think you will probably see a supplemental request on 
the order of $979 million. The rationale for that is that they 
are looking toward our budget request for fiscal year 1998 of 
$2.4 billion to address prior year requirements, along with the 
$320 million requested for 1998 requirements.
    Senator Bond. Well, there are going to be needs for 1998 
too. Why do we not go ahead? We know it is there. It does not 
make a lot of sense to me that we put off to another year--
where we are going to have tremendous budget pressures--the 
request for the things that you know you are going to need now. 
That just does not make any sense.
    Mr. Witt. I think OMB had intended that the central fund 
would help meet those requirements in 1998.

     estimates for recent ohio river flooding and tornado disasters

    Senator Bond. Oh, yes; that is the contingency fund? Take 
it off budget. Yes; that will work.
    What is the status of the most recent Ohio River flooding 
and the tornado disasters? Do you have any cost estimates on 
this?
    Mr. Witt. No, sir; the water has just now receded and we 
are following through with the preliminary damage estimates for 
public assistance. I do not have the total figure for the 
checks that were sent out for individual assistance programs 
yet, but we will provide it to you with the estimates on the 
public assistance.

                          COSTS FOR NORTHRIDGE

    Senator Bond. Can you give us some idea why the cost 
estimates for Northridge have increased from $6.1 billion a 
year ago to $7.8 billion? Senator Boxer touched on some of 
these. I would appreciate any expansion that you would like to 
make on that.
    Mr. Witt. The cost has increased because of the findings of 
the architectural and engineering studies completed for the 
rebuilding of large projects. It has become very evident that 
when we gave the early estimates on Northridge the extent of 
the damages was hidden. The actual cost of repairing those 
buildings that were condemned or red-tagged in California is 
much more than we had anticipated.
    For example, when I was at Cal State University, workers 
removed sheetrock from the wall and it revealed 6-inch steel 
torn in half in the foundation of the building. Of course, we 
could not know the extent of the damage until it was torn out 
and the foundation examined.
    Senator Bond. Thank you, Mr. Witt. We will come back later.
    I turn to Senator Mikulski.

                         FUNDING FOR DISASTERS

    Senator Mikulski. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I have 
a set of questions I would like to ask, one of which, of 
course, goes to the Maryland situation.
    First, let us talk, though, about some national issues. How 
do you best think we need to fund disaster relief? This is not 
a general question for a general answer. You focused on this. 
You see how OMB is essentially pushing this over for a few 
years, but essentially how do you think we should do this? Or 
if you do not have a recommendation specifically today, what do 
you think you will be able to tell the committee on how we 
could be able to do that?
    Mr. Witt. In light of the data my staff has put together 
regarding historical averages faced over the past years, we 
have determined that the 5-year average cost, less Northridge, 
has been pretty consistent.
    I think it is very important that we not only have the 
funds to be able to respond and recover, but as the chairman 
said earlier and as we all agree we have to get control of the 
cost of disasters. We all need to sit down realistically and 
say ``This is what is going to be needed to address future 
disasters.''

                          DISASTER CLOSE-OUTS

    Senator Mikulski. But what is the process by which we are 
going to arrive at this? Are we going to have clear criteria 
for what we get into, specific cost sharing by the States, the 
issue related to rehabilitation? I understand there are 500 
open disasters currently on the books, some dating back to 
1989, some small, but they are not small if you have been hit 
by a tornado. Are they open because of the ongoing 
rehabilitation efforts?
    Mr. Witt. First of all, it has been a top priority of mine, 
of our Chief Financial Officer, and of the inspector general to 
close out the old disasters. Gary, what is the total to date 
for disaster close-outs?
    Mr. Johnson. $1.8 billion in human services programs with 
recoveries of over $400 million back into the fund.
    Senator Mikulski. I did not understand that answer, sir. I 
am sorry. The microphones are----
    Mr. Witt. We have closed out over 100 old disasters that 
were opened back in the 1970's during Hugo, and other 
disasters. We have also put a top priority on reconciling the 
disaster fund, and Gary has done a really great job on this.

               CRITERIA FOR REHABILITATION FROM DISASTERS

    Senator Mikulski. Let us then go to the whole issue of 
rehabilitation as compared to reengineering. This seems to be a 
subject of great dispute about what do you rehab to. Do you 
rehab to its former state? Do you say that if a hurricane hit 
your very expensive project but not a project necessarily to 
declare health, safety, economic viability of a community? What 
do you think should be the criteria for the rehabilitation 
expenditures, and have you been involved with HUD in this 
because I understand that is also one of the dynamics? What is 
HUD's criteria for that?
    Mr. Witt. FEMA's criteria is if a structure has suffered 
more than 50 percent damage, then we do a cost-benefit analysis 
to determine whether it is realistic to repair that structure 
or to rebuild that structure. In most cases, it has proved to 
be better to rebuild it rather than repair it, particularly if 
it is a high-risk facility such as one that has never been 
retrofitted against earthquakes, or one that is located in a 
floodplain.
    I have not worked with HUD regarding their criteria, but I 
will be happy to talk to Andrew and work with him on this 
issue.

                      FLOOD MITIGATION IN MARYLAND

    Senator Mikulski. Well, Mr. Director, I am very proud of 
what happened in Maryland after the disaster--first of all, 
during the disaster when we were hit by so much floods in which 
the Potomac overflooded, businesses were wiped out along the 
Potomac. There is one area in Cumberland that was so 
heartbreaking in which three automobile dealers that were lined 
up one after the other lost their entire business and 
inventory, and our readiness and response really did save 
lives. And we thank you for your response.
    Also, as you know, the Hagerstown water supply went out. We 
had to take in water by the National Guard to make sure that 
nursing homes, schools, and others at risk had fresh water.
    After the flood, at my request Governor Glendening 
established a flood mitigation task force, chaired by the 
Speaker of the House, cochaired by the Army Corps of Engineers, 
and Maryland Emergency Management to look at what could be done 
so that we would not be faced with such dire economic impact 
again on local communities. I believe that that is a model 
where local people, working with Federal resources, came up 
with a series of specific recommendations on how their home 
would not be flooded out, their business would not be flooded 
out, and the community would be safe.
    What I would like to know is then what is your response to 
even the procedure that we did? Do you think that is a national 
model?
    And then No. 2, based on that, what do you think you could 
do to respond to Maryland and what criteria you would be using 
to save lives, save communities, but then ultimately, so that 
if we ever have those terrible floods again, we do not have to 
turn to FEMA because of the homework and Federal investments we 
are making now.
    Mr. Witt. The flood task force that Governor Glendening put 
together and that we all worked on is a very good example of 
what needs to be done nationwide, not only to address floods 
but to address whatever risk a particular State is facing. The 
ideas works very well in conjunction with what FEMA wants to do 
with hazard mitigation in developing disaster-resistant 
communities. If we can identify high risks up front and start 
eliminating those risks before a disaster happens, then the 
cost of a disaster when it happens will be less. This is 
something that has been proven time and time again. So, it is 
important that we try to cut the cost by cutting the risk.
    I have had round table discussions with private industry, 
including mortgage lending institutes, and representatives from 
the insurance industry. They want to start investing in 
communities by helping to eliminate the risks faced by those 
communities. It is to their benefit as well as the economy of a 
community. We can do a lot working together on these task 
forces and I think it will make a significant difference in the 
long term.
    Senator Mikulski. Well, Mr. Witt, I have met with those 
families. I met with the business people and said we would do 
all we could not only to get them back on their feet but that 
they would not face these terrible risks again.
    I met with a mother whose family nearly lost their lives 
and promised that mother--and the little boy lost his catcher's 
mit, but happy that we did not lose his life--that we would 
take specific steps along the Potomac, whether it was related 
to the relocation of housing, whether it was also retrofitting 
a water plant.
    What do you see as your criteria for responding to that? In 
Maryland what projects do you think could be pursued to do this 
type of reengineering and rehabilitation?
    Mr. Witt. My staff met with Dave McMillion this week on the 
task force recommendations regarding mitigation activities for 
Maryland. The criteria for any mitigation project is whether it 
is cost effective to do this. Does the cost analysis support 
the activity?
    The criteria for establishing the disaster-resistant 
community concept is very similar to what we have in the flood 
insurance program. We have 18,000 communities that belong to 
the flood insurance program, but those communities that belong 
to the program have to comply with building standards for 
future building in that community. If you can get a community 
to build better and safer, complying with standards established 
to be a disaster-resistant community, this would make a 
difference.
    Senator Mikulski. So, we can look forward to help in those 
areas related to housing, the issues relating to waterproofing 
the wastewater treatment program, and issues like that?
    Mr. Witt. The projects that they presented to me in the 
report I read were very good projects, and they showed that it 
was cost effective to do those projects.
    Senator Mikulski. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Senator Bond. Thank you very much, Senator Mikulski.
    Senator Boxer.

                           HAZARD MITIGATION

    Senator Boxer. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Mr. Witt, I understand that the largest single cost to FEMA 
has been public building repairs from earthquakes, and we 
discussed that a little as to the fact that they're hidden at 
first and once you get behind the sheetrock, it's a nightmare.
    The President has proposed in your budget a $50 million 
program to work with State and local agencies--and this may 
dovetail on what Senator Mikulski was talking about--on steps 
to lessen the damage in future disasters--this mitigation idea. 
Has your experience with Northridge helped shape this program, 
and if so, in what way?
    Mr. Witt. Absolutely. If you remember, prior to Northridge, 
the State had a program that they were working on to retrofit 
the bridges in California for seismic resistance. Every single 
bridge that they had already retrofitted stood up to the 
earthquake. The bridges that had not been retrofitted 
collapsed. The cost of rebuilding those bridges--that 
infrastructure--was very, very expensive.
    Even the public buildings that had been retrofitted and the 
private buildings that had been retrofitted to the new 
California building code survived that earthquake with very 
minimal damage.
    Another good example is that house in Hollywood. Every 
house on the block had major damage or was almost destroyed 
except one. The owner spent $1,000 on that house, doing the 
work himself. He never even had a single pane of glass broken 
in his house. He did not even have to ask for any assistance. 
That is the type of thing that can make a difference.
    Senator Boxer. I hope also what we do through these 
programs is let the States know that we want them to pay 
attention to this and not leave the deadline wide open because 
the States have to work with us on this because as Senator 
Mikulski has talked about, we have these disasters that we do 
not close out. I just do not think it is a message we want to 
send. I think the States, even though it is hard, have to come 
with a match. Of course, it is small compared to what they are 
going to get out of it, but we have to have some reasonable 
expectation that by a date certain, they are going to apply for 
this program. Do you not agree?
    Mr. Witt. Absolutely. California is a good example. The 
State of California has not only been hit by earthquakes but 
fires and three floods. The State staff has been overwhelmed in 
California.
    But what we are doing now is important. Last year you 
appropriated $3 million to support State hazard mitigation 
officers to work on mitigation projects. We are also working 
with the States to put in place a statewide mitigation plan 
which will prioritize mitigation projects before a disaster 
ever happens. That will make a significant difference. Instead 
of a State having to establish a hazard mitigation team and 
then follow through trying to prioritize projects, we will be 
able to help a great deal.
    Senator Boxer. Good. One second.
    [Pause.]

                    DISASTER COST-CUTTING PROPOSALS

    Senator Boxer. I wanted to just make sure that I remembered 
this correctly. A couple of years ago we passed an amendment 
that I wrote in EPW that gave States permission to use their 
highway funds for retrofit prior to a disaster. So, we are 
trying to help. In other words, if we can get those highway 
funds on a regular basis used to retrofit highways and bridges, 
it is going to be a big help, and we are starting to see that 
happen in California.
    Well, I understand you will be presenting a number of cost-
cutting proposals as part of your recommended changes to 
disaster legislation. Senator Bond and I both serve on the 
Environment and Public Works Committee which has jurisdiction 
over this legislation. Without telling us all the different 
things that you are doing, at what point do you expect to have 
this legislation ready for us to take a look at?
    Mr. Witt. I am going to have it in the chairman's hands 
before this bill goes to the floor.
    Senator Boxer. So, you expect soon?
    Mr. Witt. Yes; I will see to it myself.

            DISASTER ASSISTANCE FOR RECREATIONAL FACILITIES

    Senator Boxer. OK.
    My last question had to do with the recreational 
facilities. As I mentioned in my opening remarks, I feel that 
Senator Bond has hit on a very important point. We have so many 
things we need to do and then we look at some of the more 
frivolous things that we perhaps do.
    However, I want to make a point that if something like the 
Los Angeles Coliseum which is a publicly owned facility is hit, 
that becomes a major economic loss to a community. So, I am 
just hoping that as you look at these areas where we can save 
funds, we just cannot say all recreation because in many cases 
these sports facilities are economic engines for communities 
and they are publicly owned. So, I hope that there would be 
some discernment when we look at the whole area of recreation.
    Mr. Witt. Authorization for types of spending from the 
disaster relief fund has changed over the years.
    I agree with the chairman that it is time to revisit this 
area. I think if it is a revenue-producing entity, such a 
publicly owned piece of property that is rented out to a group 
that is operating that facility, then that group needs to look 
at getting a low-interest SBA loan. I think we seriously should 
look at that.
    I think we should concentrate on the health and safety of a 
community and of individuals. I think that is absolutely 
essential and should come first.
    Senator Boxer. Thank you.

                            DISASTER APPEALS

    Senator Bond. Thank you very much, Senator Boxer.
    Mr. Witt, going back to your discussion with Senator 
Mikulski about the open cases, I gather a lot of these are kept 
open because there are three levels of appeals for disaster 
projects and for disasters. Apparently there is no disincentive 
to States to continue to appeal and appeal and appeal. No. 1, 
they have three levels. Why is any more than one needed? What 
percentage of appeals are sustained? What additional cost? 
There has got to be a way we can clean this mess up, is there 
not?
    Mr. Witt. Mr. Chairman, I totally agree with you and with 
the inspector general's report on this. We want to have one 
level of appeal. I was astounded to find, Mr. Chairman, that we 
pay for the appeals.
    Senator Bond. So, it is a free bite at the apple. You can 
keep coming back and going and going and going.
    Mr. Witt. There is no disincentive at all. If a State loses 
an appeal, it should pay for it.

                           SEISMIC ALGORITHM

    Senator Bond. Somewhere along the line, there is the 
beginning of some criteria on that.
    Let me jump back to one on this seismic algorithm. I am not 
sure I understand what a seismic algorithm is, but I gather it 
has cost us about $900 million because the program was designed 
to expedite disaster aid, and instead of just repairing the 
damage, you have said the funds can be used for an improved 
project involving construction of a new building on a different 
site.
    Under what authority did you implement the program? Do you 
think that FEMA can create without congressional authority the 
opportunity to launch a major new project like this? Does 
Congress not have a role to play in establishing a brand new 
program like this?
    Mr. Witt. Yes, sir; Mr. Chairman. I did not do it to 
circumvent anything that Congress had not approved. The 
algorithm is basically an outgrowth of what we have in place 
with the mitigation program. I did coordinate the concept with 
the inspector general and with our General Counsel to make sure 
that I did not violate any laws, and they assured me that I was 
not doing so.
    The algorithm was put in place to evaluate whether it was 
more cost effective to do an alternate project than it was to 
rebuild the existing project.

               DISASTER ASSISTANCE FOR SPORTS FACILITIES

    Senator Bond. Let me go to disaster criteria. My colleague 
from California mentioned possible damage to the Los Angeles 
Coliseum. If that were completely wiped out, I think it would 
cost less than what we put in to UCLA by about a factor of 
five.
    But we have some brand new sports facilities in St. Louis, 
marvelous facilities. We even imported a California quarterback 
to try to improve the performance there. [Laughter.]
    These are revenue-generating facilities, and we live along 
the New Madrid fault. You are well aware of the New Madrid 
fault.
    Before something happens to a sports facility anywhere, do 
you think it would be proper if we met with the Governors 
administration and said to those local organizations, 
governments owning sports facilities, you better have 
insurance, you better take some steps to cover them because in 
the future if one of these major revenue facilities comes 
tumbling down, we are not going to be able to provide the 
relief to the otherwise incapable of paying for it? Is this 
something that you would recommend?
    Mr. Witt. I totally support that, Mr. Chairman.

                    TIMETABLE FOR DISASTER CRITERIA

    Senator Bond. I have a list of all of our discussions. When 
we asked about formulating disaster criteria, you said we are 
pretty close to having something concrete. In last year's 
questions, you said we are--2 years ago, we are going to define 
objective criteria. In September 1996, you said that FEMA is in 
the process of developing a new approach. We intend to present 
options early in the 105th Congress.
    Having these things as we go to the floor may not be early 
enough. Where are they and will they include criteria to ensure 
that States use their own capabilities to handle disasters not 
declared by the President?
    Mr. Witt. Yes, sir; they will.
    Senator Bond. And when do you think we might see those?
    Mr. Witt. Mr. Chairman, if you want it before it goes to 
the floor, I will do my very best to get it to you.
    Senator Bond. We have been asking for this, and seriously, 
if we are going to work on this, we ought to work on this at 
the committee level. I do not want to write this. I do not want 
the committee to have to write this. We have been called on to 
do enough legislating, but if we are going to have to do it, I 
would like to have that before we go to markup so we can see 
your recommendations.
    Mr. Witt. OK.
    Senator Bond. Thank you, Mr. Witt.
    Senator Mikulski.

                       INSTITUTIONALIZING REFORM

    Senator Mikulski. Mr. Chairman, I have only a very few 
questions.
    What we are trying to get here is a momentum. I will tell 
you the objective that I see is, No. 1, I would like to be able 
to institutionalize the reforms that came under your 
administration. Because this committee is spread out over such 
a wide variety of authorizing committees, this might with some 
consensus be able to institutionalize those reforms.
    The second part of that is I believe is both the disaster 
contingency fund, which is a significant issue, and then the 
difference between rehabilitation, restoration, and 
reengineering for want of another word. After the flood waters 
go down, after the hurricane debris is picked up, after the 
earthquake and aftershocks are over, what do we do?
    I recall when we were dealing with the San Francisco 
earthquake, the whole idea of restoration of some historic 
buildings was so phenomenal that it would have been difficult 
to undertake. Therefore, that is different from rehabilitation 
to make sure that housing for ordinary people or small 
businesses are helped back in business. So, you see 
rehabilitation is an issue.
    The second is restoration and then the third is what are 
the steps that we could take during rehabilitation that really 
prevent some of the risk-prone aspects from--in other words, 
where we know there is risk, where we know that a facility is 
risk prone, either through engineering, relocation, all those 
techniques that the corps and others can tell us that we can 
take so in the process of rehabbing, three raindrops later we 
are not back in the flood business. I am not being cynical 
here.
    I think that last part takes a lot of clarification because 
what we face is where people want restoration. In many ways, 
that is just not fiscally possible.
    No. 2, even though some projects are desirable from a local 
community's standpoint, they might not be fiscally feasible 
from a Federal standpoint.
    I know during the last debate, Senator McCain showed great 
sensitivity to Maryland when we were talking about marinas. 
Some marinas are private yacht clubs, and I am sorry if anybody 
loses their yacht. But in Maryland those marinas were small 
business, primarily small boats or where watermen keep their 
boats and so on. So, you see, part of it is not to describe 
something like a marina, but it is: What is the impact on the 
local community? What is the real economic impact? If you take 
20 of those marinas and knock them out up and down the 3,000 
miles of the Chesapeake Bay, that is not a big ticket item, but 
that is 20 small businesses.
    Anyway, that is the kind of criteria that we are looking 
for. One, what brings you in? What do you pay for it once you 
do come in? And No. 3, once the emergency is over, what 
business is FEMA in? Rehab, restoration, reengineering, all of 
the above, none of the above, and so on. This is a great 
opportunity to institutionalize reform and lay the groundwork 
for others.
    I know that you have been out on the road. It has been an 
enormously trying time for you and a great sacrifice for your 
family too, to just have to be able to pick up and go. I just 
want to say thank you.
    Do you have any comments you want to make on what I have 
just said?
    Mr. Witt. I think it is very important to develop the 
disaster criteria and that is what we are trying to do. Mr. 
Chairman and members of the committee, I blame no one but 
myself for not having everything done on time. What Senator 
Mikulski is talking about is important, that legislation be put 
in place so that whether I am here at FEMA or someone else is 
here, that something is institutionalized. I wholeheartedly 
agree with you, Senator. We have to do this.
    Senator Mikulski. I think you really need to task a group 
within your organization to do this for whatever is your own 
management mechanism and to work with us, and then we will be 
consulting with the House. You have got three of us 
particularly with the chairman of the House committee, Mr. 
Bond, and myself are in risk areas because of flood or 
hurricane, earthquake, and so on.
    Mr. Chairman, I have no further questions, but I think we 
have got some momentum going here today.
    Senator Bond. I think so. How about July 4?
    Mr. Witt. Sounds good.
    Senator Bond. Let us do that by July 4. OK?
    Mr. Witt. Yes, sir.
    Senator Mikulski. Even if we do not have campaign finance 
reform by that date, maybe we could have FEMA finance reform.
    Senator Bond. These are going to be some unpopular 
decisions.
    Mr. Witt. Yes, sir.
    Senator Bond. How do you plan to deal with these? Is that 
going to make it difficult for you to come forward with the 
recommendations?
    Mr. Witt. It will probably be very difficult, but I think 
we can deal with this working with organizations such as the 
Governors Association, NEMA, and NCCEM. I think they 
understand, Mr. Chairman, that dollars are limited and that in 
the future, we are going to have to put those dollars to the 
best use that we possibly can. I think it is feasible and I 
think we can do it.

                    INSURANCE FOR PUBLIC FACILITIES

    Senator Bond. So long as FEMA is willing to cover a 
community's disaster losses, it seems to me there is not much 
of an incentive for the community to purchase insurance 
coverage for public facilities, and in some instances people 
say that FEMA is a lot more generous than the insurance company 
would be. Does it not make sense to get those priorities in 
line and make sure that we are not discouraging the purchase of 
private insurance?
    Mr. Witt. Yes, sir; it does.
    Senator Bond. Do you have any empirical data as to how 
insured versus FEMA-covered facilities fare?
    Mr. Witt. Public facilities?
    Senator Bond. Yes.
    Mr. Witt. I do not have the data now but we are looking at 
trying to get the States and local governments away from being 
self-insured and try to move them toward the direction of 
insuring public facilities.
    Senator Bond. That would be part of the proposal?
    Mr. Witt. Yes, sir.
    The important thing is, if we can work with them and give 
them some kind of an incentive such as a better cost share 
where they do insure public facilities, then it would help 
eliminate the long-term disaster cost.

                            STATE COST SHARE

    Senator Bond. I need to go back to this question of project 
cost share upfront. We heard earlier today that California has 
not come up with its cost share because they do not know what 
the total cost is, but if we have already paid out billions of 
dollars, they are getting some cost. Is not the failure to have 
this upfront cost a bit of a disincentive for States to control 
costs if they do not have to come up with the cash in advance?
    Mr. Witt. A lot of States--of course, you are very familiar 
with this--legislatures meet every 2 years instead of every 
year. So, it is difficult sometimes for States to come up with 
that upfront cost-share match. The percentage of the cost-share 
match they share in with the local subgrantee varies. Some 
States pick up the full cost share, while some States pick up 
12\1/2\ percent, and then the county or city will pick up the 
other 12\1/2\ percent. It varies across the whole country.
    A lot of States will hold their cost share until the final 
inspection is done and then finish paying the total amount of 
the project.

               ELIGIBILITY OF PRIVATE, NONPROFIT ENTITIES

    Senator Bond. I think that is something we might want to 
address.
    Last year the GAO issued a report called ``Improvements 
Needed in Determining Eligibility for Public Assistance.'' 
GAO's recommendations include clarifying the criteria for 
certain private, nonprofit facilities and in the September 20 
letter you told me that policy changes for revenue-generating 
private nonprofits were under consideration. Do you have any 
recommendations on that yet?
    Mr. Witt. Yes, sir, Mr. Chairman. We will include those 
recommendations in the report we are preparing for you. If it 
is a private entity that is revenue producing then it should 
apply for SBA loans instead of grants.

                           HAZARD MITIGATION

    Senator Bond. Let me turn to the hazard mitigation efforts. 
Your 404 hazard mitigation grant program is funded through the 
disaster relief program. States are entitled to receive funds 
equal to 15 percent of FEMA disaster relief assistance in the 
State. There is approximately, I understand, $1.4 billion 
unobligated.
    What is the problem with it and what do you propose to do 
about it? Are the funds not needed?
    Mr. Witt. Yes, sir; they are very much needed.
    We have been working with State directors on a hazard 
mitigation task force to identify how we can speed the process 
up, what we need to do to be more accountable, and to be less 
bureaucratic and get rid of the redtape.
    Most States go through an environmental review process 
which we then review. The process goes from the State to the 
region to FEMA headquarters. We have been pushing the 
responsibility to work directly with the State down to the 
regional level.
    We are also looking at HUD and other agencies to see how 
they do environmental assessments and reviews in order to put 
in place the best procedures.
    We have been working on the States' capability to 
prioritize these projects as well. Last year you graciously 
gave us money to support a person in each State to work 
strictly on these mitigation projects. We are working now with 
the States on the 409 mitigation statewide plans that are going 
to help a great deal, as will changes in the cost-effectiveness 
review process changes.
    When a State has a disaster--and they have had many--they 
are often bogged down in disaster recovery and response 
activities and they do not have time or staff to concentrate on 
mitigation at that point. We really need to emphasize 
mitigation as a community being rebuilt, not later.
    We are looking at the possibility of putting a sunset 
clause in the legislation that we are going to provide to you. 
If a State cannot obligate funds and get its projects done in 2 
years, then it would lose the money. We just cannot continue to 
drag projects out year after year.

            CRITERIA FOR PERFORMANCE PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENTS

    Senator Bond. All right. So, with $1.4 billion remaining 
unobligated--it struck me that we are asking for $50 million 
more when we have got a great big pot of money that has not 
been utilized. Well, I guess we will see your legislative 
proposals on that.
    FEMA's budget includes $147 million for State grants, the 
so-called performance partnership agreements. When you first 
proposed them 2 years ago, your Agency indicated there would be 
new criteria for awarding State grants. What are those 
criteria?
    Mr. Witt. Under the PPA, which has been in place for 2 
years, States have the flexibility to design programs with FEMA 
to meet the risks that they face in their State. We have been 
working with the States in developing a self-assessment process 
which will be used to establish a baseline of capability in 
those States.
    We are tying this baseline assessment into FEMA's GPRA 
developmental activities.

                         INCENTIVES FOR STATES

    Senator Bond. Are there specific performance measures so 
you know whether the State is getting the job done? How do you 
hold them accountable? Are there any rewards for States that do 
the good jobs or disincentives for the ones that do not get it 
done?
    Mr. Witt. One incentive to do a better job or to have a 
statewide disaster fund set up could be a favorable cost share 
should the State have a disaster that warrants a declaration. 
Also, if a State has a mitigation program in place with a 
mitigation fund established it could be used in State-declared 
disasters, not only in the federally declared disasters. Those 
are some incentives that we are trying to work into the changes 
that we are going to implement.
    Senator Bond. That would require statutory authorization to 
do that?
    Mr. Witt. Yes, sir.

                STATUS OF NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE FUND

    Senator Bond. Again, we would be anxious to see your 
recommendation on that because that certainly would seem to 
make some sense.
    What is the status of the flood insurance fund in light of 
the recent flooding? What is the current level of borrowing? Is 
there any danger you would exceed the $1.5 billion statutory 
limit on borrowing?
    Mr. Witt. Mr. Chairman, with the rash of floods that we 
have had recently, I am concerned that even with the additional 
$500 million in borrowing authority in 1997, the limit has not 
kept pace with changes over the years in the flood insurance 
program. We have $370 billion in coverage now compared to the 
$8 billion in coverage that we had back in 1974, but we will 
still only have a $1 billion borrowing authority in October. I 
think we are up to $800 million in borrowing now and we are now 
assessing how many policies and claims we have to pay in this 
recent rash of floods.
    Senator Bond. Are we looking at another overhaul of the 
flood insurance program? It sounds to me like it would take at 
least 2 years of normal operation just to get that back, would 
it not?
    Mr. Witt. Yes, sir; at least.

                      REQUIREMENTS FOR DAM SAFETY

    Senator Bond. Dam safety is something that is very 
important to Missouri and we worked hard to put that in the 
water resources development authorization bill last year. Why 
does FEMA not request any funds for the requirements of the new 
dam safety legislation? Are these a priority for you?
    Mr. Witt. Yes, sir; they are. We are planning to spend 
$432,000 for the dam safety program from the flood program. We 
are developing an implementation plan for a national dam safety 
program as well.
    Senator Bond. Will you be seeking reprogramming or anything 
more on that program? Do you have the money to carry it out?
    Mr. Witt. We have the $432,000 to get the implementation 
program in place and determine what other moneys we will need 
for the national dam safety program.

                       STATE AND LOCAL ASSISTANCE

    Senator Mikulski. Mr. Chairman, I just have two other 
things that I wanted to submit to the record. One is a letter 
from the Maryland Emergency Management Agency talking about our 
need to continue to focus our interest on the SLA, State and 
local assistance account, which, of course, is the one that 
really enhances our response and readiness.

       MARYLAND REPRESENTATION IN FALLEN FIREFIGHTERS FOUNDATION

    Another question goes to the fact that we are very proud of 
the Fire Academy in Maryland. The Maryland State Firemen's 
Association has played a major role in putting the Fallen 
Firefighter Memorial Program together which you know is so 
touching. We understand that this year you have turned over the 
Fallen Firefighters Foundation, and we are asking if you would 
ensure that the Maryland Firefighters Association has a seat at 
the table in the foundation.
    Mr. Witt. Yes, ma'am.
    Senator Mikulski. Because they really provide so much of 
the core support to the foundation.
    Mr. Witt. Yes, ma'am.
    Senator Mikulski. I thank you for that.
    Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, and I look forward to 
working with you in advance on the solutions to the really 
significant issues we have raised today. Thank you.

                   INSPECTOR GENERAL RECOMMENDATIONS

    Senator Bond. Thank you, Senator Mikulski.
    Very briefly I understand Mr. George Opfer, the FEMA 
inspector general, is here and I would like to invite him 
forward since we have been referring to him all morning on the 
recommendations that he has made. I gather the FEMA inspector 
general requests a slight increase from about $4.67 million to 
$4.8 million.
    I will just ask you, Mr. Opfer, what problems face FEMA 
over the next few years and any recommendations you have for us 
that would improve program integrity at FEMA.
    Mr. Opfer. I think, Mr. Chairman, that we are working quite 
well with the Agency. Shortly after the Northridge earthquake, 
there was a change in the philosophy both within the inspector 
general's office and the Agency itself when Director Witt 
requested the inspector general's office to immediately respond 
to disasters.
    That was a change that really was not very common in the 
inspector general's community, not only in FEMA but in all the 
agencies--a change in the atmosphere where you have an 
inspector general's office trying to work with the management 
and going out to disasters on the scene so you can give upfront 
advice and try to become very proactive.
    The Agency itself, as you know, is relatively small in 
comparison to other Federal agencies as far as the amount of 
money that is passed through to States and what is given out in 
disasters. Also, the inspector general's office in itself is 
very small. So, we try to marshal our resources with the other 
Federal communities to establish a task force.
    We have been very successful in trying to weed out any sort 
of corruption in the disaster programs because we do not want 
the people to become victims twice--from the disaster and from 
people scheming to take Federal dollars.
    In the 2\1/2\ years that I have been in the Agency, I have 
seen quite a change as far as program managers and the Director 
requesting the inspector general's assistance in looking at 
programs. We are trying to provide service similar to a 
management consultant, where rather than doing a full audit or 
a full inspection, we can look at a program or look at issues 
which might be before the Director at the beginning stages, and 
provide recommendations that could possibly prevent any future 
problems in that area.
    Senator Bond. You mentioned fraud possibly perpetrated on 
the victims of disaster. Do you find any other general problems 
relating to fraud, abuse, or mismanagement?
    Mr. Opfer. We find a correlation between the larger 
disaster where more Federal money is put into a disaster area 
and the potential or increased, chance for different schemes or 
questionable activities.
    We have been working with the insurance industry to see 
what information we can get as they are responding to disasters 
and marshal our resources with them. We also work with the 
State and local officials, including the Attorneys General, to 
get information in areas such as consumer fraud where we do not 
have jurisdiction. We want to make sure that we are marshaling 
all the resources that are available both at the State and 
local level.
    Senator Bond. Well, thank you very much for your testimony 
and for your good work.
    Mr. Witt, any closing comments or thoughts you wish to 
share with us?
    Mr. Witt. Mr. Chairman, thank you for your support. We will 
work very hard with you, Mr. Chairman, and the committee to 
institutionalize those changes we discussed by July 4.

                     Additional committee questions

    Senator Bond. We will expect that by July 4 and look 
forward to working with you.
    [The following questions were not asked at the hearing, but 
were submitted to the Agency for response subsequent to the 
hearing:]

                  Questions Submitted by Senator Bond

                     status of disaster relief fund
    Question. What is the current balance in the Disaster Relief Fund, 
and when do you project the fund will be depleted?
    Answer. As of March 31, $2.1 billion remained unobligated in the 
Disaster Relief Fund. Absent a supplemental appropriation, it is 
projected that by late spring, as the unobligated balance nears $500 
million, FEMA will need to begin adjusting how we allocate money to the 
open disasters to ensure that we have dollars available for the 
immediate needs of victims and for emergency measures.
    Question. Please explain, and provide a break-out for, why your 
current projections for the Disaster Relief Fund in fiscal year 1997 
exceed the projections contained in the Congressional budget 
justification--which showed a year-end carryover of $100 million.
    Answer. When the President's budget was prepared in early January, 
the projected unobligated balance in the Disaster Relief Fund for the 
end of fiscal year 1997 was $107 million. By mid-March, this same 
balance showed a deficit of $442 million. During this time period, FEMA 
had undertaken a major effort to refine its projected costs and unmet 
requirements. The increase of $549 million in projected obligations can 
be attributed to the following:

                        [In millions of dollars]

Northridge:.......................................................   200
1996 declarations.................................................    74
Other prior year disasters........................................   268
1997 activity.....................................................     7

    Question. Why have the cost estimates for the Northridge Earthquake 
escalated from $6.1 billion one year ago to $7.8 billion today--an 
increase of $1.7 billion? Please describe precisely what accounts for 
this increase. To what extent does the increase in Northridge estimates 
account for the fund's shortfall in fiscal year 1997?
    Answer. The original cost estimate for the Northridge Earthquake 
was prepared prior to the development of the detailed cost estimates 
for the general acute care hospitals and other structures, the final 
estimates for the repair and retrofit of the historic Los Angeles City 
Hall, construction cost increases in the Los Angeles area, and the 
consequential increase in mitigation funding (which is calculated as a 
percentage of the estimated total program costs). These factors raised 
the estimated costs for the Northridge earthquake by $1.7 billion as 
summarized below:

                        [In millions of dollars]

Safeguarding hospitals (seismic algorithm)........................   940
Los Angeles City Hall.............................................   130
Safeguarding other structures.....................................   100
Rebuilding Hospitals to EERI standard.............................   250
Rise in LA construction costs since 1994..........................   105
Increased Section 404 Mitigation Ceiling..........................   230
Reduced Administrative Costs......................................   -50
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      Total....................................................... 1,705

    The higher estimated cost for the Northridge earthquake is one 
factor in FEMA's revised estimated shortfall for fiscal year 1997.
                           seismic algorithm
    Question. How much of the increase in the Northridge estimates is 
attributable to the ``seismic algorithm?'' Under what authority did 
FEMA implement this program? Do you think it is appropriate that FEMA 
has the authority to implement a program of this kind with such sizable 
resource implications, with virtually no formal approval process from 
the Congress? Do you plan to use this algorithm in other disasters? How 
are you measuring the success (or failure) of this pilot program?
    Answer. The Seismic Hazard Mitigation Program for Hospitals (SHMPH) 
was piloted and implemented under the authority of Sec. 406(c)(2).
    FEMA rebuilt the hospitals to a higher safety standard under the 
authority of Section 406(e)(1) of the Stafford Act, which defines 
eligible costs in rebuilding structures:
        ``(e) Net Eligible Cost. (1) General rule.--For purposes of 
        this section, the cost of repairing, restoring, reconstructing, 
        or replacing a public facility or private nonprofit facility on 
        the basis of the design of such facility as it existed 
        immediately prior to the major disaster and in conformity with 
        current applicable codes, specifications and standards 
        (including floodplain management and hazard mitigation criteria 
        required by the President or by the Coastal Barrier Resources 
        Act (16 U.S.C. 3501 et seq.)) shall, at a minimum, be treated 
        as the net eligible cost of such repair, restoration, 
        reconstruction, or replacement.'' Emphasis Added
    This higher rebuilding standard for the area hospitals serves two 
goals: it reduces the level of damage expected from future earthquakes, 
and it helps ensure that acute care hospitals can continue to function 
in the aftermath of a future disaster, especially to treat disaster 
victims.
    The cost increase attributed to the seismic mitigation program for 
hospitals was $940 million and included the repair and mitigation of 
all 20 affected hospitals. This increase is less than half of the $2 
billion requested by two of the hospitals alone.
    FEMA believes that mitigation should be integrated into the 
rebuilding from disasters. After an event occurs, communities tend to 
be more receptive to undertaking mitigation measures, and mitigation 
goals can more easily be attained by enhancing reconstruction 
standards.
    Congress has a vital role to play in implementing a program with 
major resource implications. For Northridge specifically, FEMA included 
the projected spending for these infrastructure projects in its two 
supplemental budget requests for Northridge, both of which were 
approved by Congress.
    FEMA took into careful consideration the Congress's opinion as 
stated in a March 21, 1996 letter to Director Witt signed by 
Congressmen Jerry Lewis and Bob Livingston and Senators Kit Bond and 
Mark Hatfield. This letter applauded the use of the algorithm and 
encouraged FEMA to use the Earthquake Engineering Research Institute 
(EERI) to further evaluate these projects.
    Because many hospitals were closed due to damage, the algorithm was 
specifically designed to address rebuilding after the Northridge 
earthquake. When the detailed estimates were first being developed, it 
became apparent that reaching closure on hospital repairs would be 
extraordinarily time consuming and contentious due to the complexity of 
the facilities and differences in professional judgment of architects, 
engineers and other technical specialists. To reach a timely solution 
at a reasonable cost, a consortium of professional experts developed 
the algorithm for calculating the costs of repairing damages and 
providing hazard mitigation measures. This algorithm produces a repair 
and retrofit program that is consistent with hazard mitigation goals.
    The success or failure of this seismic program will be measured by 
the ability of the hospitals to withstand a future earthquake (or other 
catastrophic event) and continue functioning.
    We discussed this program with Members of Congress and their 
staffs, particularly those Members chairing or ranking on the relevant 
Committees of the House or Senate and in the affected areas. We believe 
the SHMPH is a prudent expenditure from the Disaster Relief Fund (DRF) 
since it will avoid future DRF expenditures and, more importantly, 
provide public health and safety services after the next earthquake.
    A central concept of the algorithm, that is the arithmetical 
computation of disaster assistance in damaged critical facilities, is 
that it expedites recovery and diminishes confrontational exchanges 
between the Federal sector and disaster victims. Nevertheless, the 
SHMPH is not presently contemplated for use in other earthquake 
disasters.
    Since mitigation is frequently a long-term investment, declarations 
of success (or failure) would be premature at this point. Expenditures 
under the SHMPH, however, are being tracked so that avoided costs can 
be estimated after the next earthquake.
              report to congress on reducing expenditures
    Question. The fiscal year 1997 VA-HUD appropriations act required 
FEMA to propose a plan to reduce disaster relief expenditures. The 
Subcommittee recently received a draft report, about 45 days late and 
still not final. The draft report includes only some of the proposed 
recommendations of the GAO and the I.G. Why were the other 
recommendations--such as eliminating alternate projects, and changing 
the so-called 50 percent rule which triggers full-scale replacement of 
a damaged facility--taken off the table? Please explain which other 
options were considered and rejected, and why, and the cost-savings 
associated with the rejected options.
    Answer. In developing the Report to Congress on Reducing Disaster 
Relief Expenditures, a broad range of options were considered, 
including all of the recommendations of the General Accounting Office 
and the FEMA Inspector General. Some of the GAO and IG recommendations 
were determined not to be feasible at this time. For example, 
eliminating alternative projects may provide an incentive for State and 
local officials to rebuild facilities even if they no longer serve the 
public welfare, in order to receive the grant award. Elimination of the 
50 percent rule which triggers replacement would be inconsistent with 
the National Flood Insurance Program and may impact negatively on 
mitigation.
    Two other approaches recommended by the Inspector General--the 
disaster tax return system of assistance and block grants--will be 
studied for potential applicability in the future.
    Specific cost savings for these options have not been identified.
    Question. Some of the proposed changes undoubtedly will be 
unpopular with certain constituents. Will this impede your ability to 
proceed with the changes and how do you plan to deal with these 
impediments?
    Answer. We are currently in the process of consulting with our 
partners on potential policy changes. In general, they recognize that 
governmental resources at all levels are becoming more limited, and 
there is a need to reduce disaster relief expenditures.
    To the extent possible, we have tried to focus on prudent ways of 
reducing disaster costs without impeding service delivery. For example, 
streamlining the public assistance program will not only save dollars 
but will actually improve customer service. We are also trying to 
reduce total costs through a pre-disaster mitigation program, rather 
than simply shifting the costs to another level of government.
    We recognize that there may be some measures, particularly those 
which reduce eligibility, which may be unpopular with our constituents. 
In those cases, we will work with our constituents and Congress to 
develop appropriate legislative solutions.
                           disaster criteria
    Question. Two years after the initial commitment, FEMA has not made 
any changes to the disaster criteria. What changes--and when--will you 
be proposing to the declaration process?
    Answer. In the fall of 1996, FEMA established a Panel on Disaster 
Cost Savings to examine, among other things, the issue of declaration 
criteria. Upon analysis and consultation with our partners, we have 
concluded that the high costs in the disaster program are driven by the 
number of large major disasters and broad eligibility criteria, rather 
than the number of declarations.
    While we believe that the current declaration criteria continue to 
be appropriate, we can reduce costs by streamlining activities and 
targeting eligibility. However, factors used to judge severity, 
magnitude and impact are being updated to reflect current dollars, and 
procedures for conducting Preliminary Damage Assessment are being 
reengineered.
    Question. How will the new criteria ensure that states use their 
own capability to handle disasters that should not be declared by the 
President?
    Answer. The current criteria involve making a judgment on whether 
the severity, magnitude, and impact warrant Federal assistance to 
supplement the State's capability. FEMA provides grants to State and 
local governments through the Performance Partnership Agreement grants 
for the purpose of developing the capability to handle disasters.
    Question. The number of disaster declarations has increased 54 
percent in the last 5 years, compared to the previous 5-year period, 
partly due to FEMA's more liberal interpretation of the law. Don't you 
believe disaster declaration criteria would bring some much-needed 
discipline to this program?
    Answer. The increase in total number of declarations is greatly 
influenced by the number of fire suppression grants in recent years, as 
well as a documented increase in severe weather events. Over the years, 
the Congress has changed the statute to be more liberal in its eligible 
benefits. Restricting eligible costs would achieve long-term savings in 
the disaster program.
                              state-share
    Question. Why isn't FEMA enforcing its own regulation to require 
states to demonstrate they have their project cost-share upfront? Isn't 
your policy of not requiring this upfront commitment a disincentive for 
states to control costs? What is FEMA doing to ensure that recipients 
of disaster assistance are satisfying their cost-sharing requirements?
    Answer. Current disaster assistance regulations do not require a 
specific timing for the payment of the State's portion of the non-
Federal share. A FEMA/State Agreement, which is executed between the 
Governor and the FEMA Regional Director immediately following a major 
disaster declaration, specifies the portion of the non-Federal share 
that will be paid by the affected State. At the end of a disaster 
contract, States are required to certify that they have paid their 
share of a project's costs as agreed to in the FEMA/State Agreement.
    Consistent with the intent of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster 
Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (Public Law 93-288, as amended), 
current FEMA policy includes in the Agreement a provision for a 
Federal/State cost-share arrangement. FEMA believes that States have an 
incentive to control costs, because they are making a contribution to 
recovery efforts. FEMA only obligates and makes available to the State 
the Federal share of the estimated costs of a project (usually 75 
percent). Therefore, in order to complete a project, the remainder of 
the funds must come from either the grantee or the subgrantee. If a 
project is not completed, the Federal share will be deobligated and any 
Federal funds that were already disbursed must be repaid by the 
grantee.

                               INSURANCE

    Question. What measures is FEMA taking to see that public 
facilities are insured against the most probable perils they face? 
Should disaster assistance be reduced for public facilities in 
vulnerable communities that could have been insured but were not, as is 
currently done with flood insurance?
    Answer. As a condition for receiving Public Assistance grants, 
insurance must be purchased and maintained to cover future damages for 
any insurable hazard to any public facility for which FEMA funding is 
provided. If the facility is insured at the time of a disaster, FEMA 
will fund damages not already covered by insurance.
    Establishing the vulnerability of communities for hazards other 
than floods is a difficult task. While some areas of the country have 
established vulnerability to earthquakes, participation in earthquake 
insurance programs has been limited due to the expensive nature of the 
program. For example, in California, the State Insurance Commissioner 
has ruled that earthquake insurance is not reasonably available because 
it is not affordable. FEMA's regulations state that the Agency shall 
not require greater types and extent of insurance than are certified by 
the State Insurance Commissioner. Consequently, FEMA has been unable to 
require the purchase of earthquake insurance in California as a 
condition of Public Assistance grant funding.

                       SNOW DISASTER DECLARATIONS

    Question. In your draft report, FEMA said it would, ``publish 
revised regulations to ensure that FEMA is consistently only paying for 
those snow removal costs that are extraordinary and significantly 
beyond the states normal capability and resources.'' When will these 
regulations be revised? How do you define costs that are extraordinary 
and significantly beyond states normal capability and resources?
    Answer. In October 1996, FEMA published a proposed rule that 
specified the work and costs that would be eligible for assistance in 
the event of a major disaster declaration for a snowstorm. The proposed 
rule stated that eligible work would be the clearance of snow from one 
lane in each direction on ``snow emergency routes'' or their 
equivalent, and from routes to critical facilities. The rule did not 
address declaration criteria or the measurement of States' 
capabilities.
    Based on comments received on the proposed rule and FEMA's 
experiences in three snow declarations in January 1997, FEMA has 
decided to withdraw the October 1996 rule and publish a new proposed 
rule. This new proposed rule will establish declaration criteria and 
cost eligibility to ensure that assistance is only granted when the 
situation is truly beyond a State's capability and resources. As 
published in the Semi-annual Agenda of Rulemaking, the proposed rule 
for snow disasters will be published between April and November of 
1997.

                           COMMUNITY CENTERS

    Question. Last year, in response to questions for the record, you 
stated that FEMA would more precisely define community centers in order 
to clarify which of these facilities FEMA considers eligible. Has this 
been done? If not, when?
    Answer. FEMA has published draft Policy No. 4511.050A, ``Private 
Nonprofit Community Center Eligibility.'' The draft policy provides a 
more specific definition of community centers than the definition found 
at 44 CFR 206.221(e)(6), and includes examples of both eligible and 
ineligible community centers. In particular, the policy more 
specifically defines criteria such as: (1) open to the general public; 
and (2) established and primarily used as a gathering place for a 
variety of social, educational enrichment, and community service 
activities.
    This draft policy is currently in the internal approval process. 
Pending its final approval, FEMA considers and rules on eligibility 
applications in the Private Nonprofit Community Center category on a 
case-by-case basis.

                           GRANTS MANAGEMENT

    Question. When will FEMA have in place the new grants management 
system? Will it ensure that FEMA funds are spent effectively, 
efficiently, and according to law?
    Answer. The Office of Financial Management, assisted by the 
Logistics Management Institute (LMI), has recently completed a thorough 
assessment of the grants management process for all of the Agency's 
disaster and non-disaster grant programs. An Agency-wide Team, reviewed 
and documented the current processes, identified issues and made 
recommendations for improving the grants management processes used in 
each of FEMA's disaster grant programs. A report, summarizing the 
reengineering process and the Team's recommended solutions covering the 
full cycle of the grants management process will be finalized in the 
near future.
    In general, the Teams recommendations include instituting 
procedures that will enable FEMA to more effectively comply with 
federal regulations on grants administration and financial management; 
track grants from application through close-out, including timely 
financial reports and program performance monitoring. Once FEMA 
management formally accepts the recommendations of the Team, the Office 
of Financial Management (OFM) will secure a charter for managing the 
implementation of appropriate changes and developing an improved grants 
management system in the Agency. It is anticipated that the Agency will 
begin initiating some recommendations immediately and that a detailed 
action plan will be developed this summer. The development of this plan 
will include close coordination with other FEMA Directorates to assure 
that it is all inclusive and takes into consideration other disaster 
program initiatives. It should be noted, however, that it is expected 
that FEMA management will consider additional improvements and 
alternatives as the Agency begins implementing the recommended changes.
    FEMA will realize several benefits by implementing the Team's 
recommendations. The Agency can not only expect to more effectively 
comply with federal regulations governing grants administration and 
financial management, but also to improve the Agency's ability to 
provide oversight and manage the disaster grant programs. Including the 
other cross-cutting disaster program improvements, along with the need 
for external coordination and significant internal training must be 
accomplished prior to seeing long term results. Full implementation of 
the Agency's improved grants management system is expected to take 
between two-three years.

                          DISASTER CLOSE-OUTS

    Question. Why do you have disasters open that go back to 1989? Why 
can't you close-out disasters within two years or less? What is the 
average length of time to close out a disaster? What does FEMA believe 
is a reasonable time to close-out a disaster? Wouldn't a shorter period 
enhance fiscal responsibility and accountability? How long does the 
insurance industry take to close-out major projects, and why couldn't 
FEMA follow an insurance industry model? Couldn't FEMA deobligate 
significant amounts of disaster relief funds if it closed out disasters 
in a more timely manner?
    Answer. FEMA funding is made available to the disaster-affected 
State as a grantee and further transferred to the sub-grantee in 
accordance with the Office of Management and Budget's requirements for 
Grants management. Public Assistance grants are governed by FEMA's 
regulations, also known as the common rule. The intent of the rule is 
to allow the States more discretion in administering Federal programs 
in accordance with their own procedures. Because these grants are for 
reimbursable costs, the grantee must make an accounting to FEMA for all 
eligible costs on each approved large project. Final payments are made 
only after the approved work is completed and certified by the State.
    Large, complex projects that require extensive design and 
construction phases in addition to compliance with all codes, 
regulations, standards and local permitting procedures can be extremely 
time-consuming. As a result, disaster close-outs are often delayed by 
these large projects. However, FEMA has made significant progress in 
closing out disasters. For example: in fiscal year 1993, FEMA closed 
out seven (7) disasters; in fiscal year 1994, FEMA closed out 31 
disasters; in fiscal year 1995, FEMA closed out 42 disasters; and in 
fiscal year 1996, FEMA closed out 16 disasters.
    As part of our Business Process Reengineering effort, FEMA is 
considering several options--including looking at insurance industry 
methods--to determine if we can adopt a more rapid settlement approach, 
based on accurate cost and scope estimates, and additional means of 
providing incentives to complete work as quickly as possible.

                             FAST-TRACKING

    Question. Following the Northridge Earthquake, FEMA used a system 
referred to as ``Fast tracking'' to deliver assistance to individuals, 
which involved providing aid to applicants prior to inspecting homes. I 
understand a very high proportion of those receiving aid were deemed 
ineligible and FEMA is attempting to recover those ineligible costs. 
Will you be using this method again? Do you believe it is appropriate 
that FEMA has such discretion to dispense federal aid without following 
appropriate and prudent procedures? Are you using fast-tracking now?
    Answer. The extent of the damage and the densely populated 
geographic areas impacted by the Northridge Earthquake indicated that 
FEMA would receive an unprecedented number of applications for disaster 
assistance. In an effort to help the greatest number of disaster 
victims as quickly as possible, FEMA assisted applicants from areas 
where the damage was most pervasive on a expedited basis; prior to 
inspecting the applicant's home.
    To identify the most heavily damaged areas, FEMA used computer 
mapping of Modified Mercali Intensity (MMI) readings. ``Fast-track'' 
checks were then mailed to disaster assistance applicants only if: (1) 
the applicants resided in a zip code that corresponded with the four 
MMI zones of most intense seismic activity (67 zip codes were 
identified); and (2) the applicant indicated that they had experienced 
real property damage when they registered with FEMA. Recipients of 
``fast-track'' assistance were notified at the time of their 
application that a subsequent housing inspection would take place, and 
that if they were found to be ineligible for assistance, they would be 
required to return their assistance grant to FEMA.
    Each home was subsequently inspected, the degree of damage was 
assessed, and the determination of eligibility for housing assistance 
was evaluated. Recipients found to be ineligible for assistance were 
required to return their checks. The rate of confirmed eligibility for 
those households assisted before inspection was 90 percent.
    The fast-track method of expediting assistance helped thousands of 
severely impacted disaster victims significantly more quickly than 
standard procedures could accommodate. During the seven-week period the 
fast-track system was implemented (from January 21-March 9, 1994) FEMA 
issued 152,573 checks totaling $400,486,000 of assistance. 
Approximately one-third of these applicants, 48,302, were provided 
assistance via the fast-track system. It should be noted, however, that 
recipients of ``fast-track'' assistance represent only 7 percent of the 
total number of applicants who registered for assistance.
    Although the fast-track process resulted in some ineligible 
recipients, FEMA believes it was appropriate to implement the fast-
track system, given the unique circumstances of the Northridge 
earthquake. FEMA is not currently using the ``fast-track'' system, but 
would not rule out its use in the future under appropriate emergency 
conditions.
                          ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS

    Question. Last year, in response to questions submitted for the 
record, FEMA stated it would propose a rule requiring grantees to 
provide a full accounting of their administrative costs associated with 
public assistance grants. To date, FEMA has taken no action to clarify 
the rules governing administrative costs, or to ensure that grantees 
properly account for administrative costs. Why? Also, FEMA stated it is 
planning to promulgate a proposed rule that would require small project 
expenditures to be accounted for and excess funds returned to FEMA. Why 
hasn't this been done?
    Answer. Last year, in response to recommendations from the General 
Accounting Office (GAO) and the FEMA Inspector General (IG), FEMA 
proposed to develop a regulation that would require an accounting of 
grantee administrative costs. Prior to drafting such a rule, FEMA 
determined that the statutory administrative expenses were also 
intertwined with both State disaster management costs, and indirect 
costs that may be claimed in connection with Federal grants. Therefore, 
FEMA is conducting studies to determine the complete picture of the 
costs to States to manage a disaster recovery effort. The goal is to 
develop a single cost factor that will cover all administrative 
expenses, both direct and indirect.
    In response to further recommendations in the subject GAO and IG 
reports, FEMA began to examine the impacts of a regulation that would 
require refund of overpayments on ``small projects.'' Concurrently, 
FEMA embarked on a 12-month process to study existing Public Assistance 
procedures, develop new procedures, and implement the procedures in 
actual disasters. Because these changes may affect the concept of small 
projects as it was originally envisioned in 1988, we have delayed 
proposing a rule change.
            public assistance/business process reengineering
    Question. FEMA has underway a ``BPR'' effort to streamline the 
public assistance program. When will this be complete? What specific 
changes do you envision at this time? What sort of cost-savings might 
we expect?
    Answer. A draft report on the proposed reengineered process was 
issued on April 7, 1997, to FEMA regional offices, the National 
Emergency Management Association (NEMA), and various project 
participants for comment and feedback prior to issuing a final report. 
The final report on the Public Assistance Reengineering project is 
scheduled to be completed on April 30, 1997. The next phase of the 
project moves beyond redesign in concept and into actual 
implementation. This will include development of a pilot test 
implementation plan, a pilot set-up and pilot test and a pilot 
evaluation, prior to full-scale implementation. We anticipate 
conducting a pilot-test and evaluation within the next six months.
    Some of the changes envisioned in the proposed redesign include:
  --Pre-identify and pre-educate potential applicants;
  --Provide applicants with alternatives for accessing the Public 
        Assistance application process;
  --Use Preliminary Damage Assessment (PDA) data to make initial 
        obligations to the State for immediate emergency funding needs, 
        rather than relying on additional site inspections;
  --Establish deadline for State reconciliation of emergency work 
        costs;
  --Require a more detailed and deliberate application for permanent 
        restorative work to include a schedule of damaged sites, 
        location, damage description, preliminary cost estimate, and 
        insurance coverage;
  --Establish a FEMA single point of coordination for applicants and 
        States;
  --Capture damage information one time, at the source, and 
        electronically if possible;
  --Move decision-making and project review closer to the customer;
  --Empower the States to validate small projects (under $46,000) 
        without always requiring a Federal inspection;
  --Process large projects (over $46,000) or complex projects through 
        inspection and field review by certified FEMA/State inspection 
        teams;
  --Focus on organizing work around the applicant and developing 
        ``projects'' that best meet their recovery needs;
  --Institute a settlement approach (based on an accurate scope and 
        cost estimate) versus actual cost reimbursement to avoid 
        revisiting cases multiple times;
  --Provide incentives to complete permanent work as quickly as 
        possible and to submit documentation within a reasonable time-
        frame; and
  --Strictly adhere to and enforce time frames such as project 
        completion deadlines, deadlines for submittal of documentation, 
        appeal submittal deadlines, and appeal resolution deadlines.
    The expected benefits of the redesign include quantitative 
reductions in time and costs that will enhance and strengthen 
qualitative aspects of FEMA's relationship with the States and 
applicants. Benefits include: Reduced processing time; reduced 
administrative costs; more efficient allocation of resources; reduction 
in job redundancy; improved tracking; fewer de-obligations; and fewer 
appeals.

                    HAZARD MITIGATION GRANT PROGRAM

    Question. FEMA's Sec. 404 hazard mitigation grant program is funded 
through the disaster relief program. States are entitled to receive 
funds equal to 15 percent of FEMA disaster relief assistance in the 
state. Currently, more than $1.4 billion remains unobligated. Has there 
been an increase in section 404 mitigation activity since the federal 
cost share was raised and the formula was revised to increase the 
amount made available?
    Answer. There has been a significant increase in Section 404 hazard 
mitigation grant program activity since the Federal cost share was 
raised and the formula was changed to increase the amount of funding 
made available. The reasons for this have been two-fold: First, States 
and Territories receive an increased amount of total available dollars 
for mitigation. For example, in the Midwest Floods alone, total 
available HMGP funds increased by approximately five times. Secondly, 
changing the cost share from 50 percent federal to 75 percent federal 
funding has made grants more attainable for State and local 
participants.
    It is essential to note that nearly 67 percent of the remaining 
funds (approximately $776 million) stems from three unique disaster 
situations:
  --The State of California accounts for approximately $642 million of 
        this figure. In that State, numerous sizable disasters 
        (including multiple flood events, wildfires, and the most 
        costly disaster in U.S. history, the Northridge Earthquake) 
        have occurred in the last several years. This tremendous 
        workload has greatly strained the State's ability to identify, 
        review, and process available monies in a timely fashion to 
        meet mitigation, response and recovery needs.
  --Similarly, the Virgin Islands accounts for approximately $50 
        million of the outstanding HMGP balance, due in large part to 
        the fact that the islands were struck by two powerful 
        Hurricanes--Marilyn and Bertha--within a year.
  --Finally, Hurricane Fran, which caused Presidentially declared 
        disasters in seven States, accounts for another $84 million in 
        unobligated funds. The outstanding balance of HMGP funds for 
        these disasters is not unusual, in that the event occurred only 
        recently (last Fall).
    These three unique situations account for over $776 million of the 
unobligated HMGP funds. They are not due to recurring programmatic 
obstacles.
    It also should be noted that FEMA has taken substantial action in 
recent years to improve the management of the HMGP in order to speed 
the obligation of funds. For example, this fiscal year an additional $3 
million was made available to States to improve implementation of 
Hazard Mitigation Programs. To improve National Environmental Policy 
Act (NEPA) compliance reviews, FEMA published an expanded list of NEPA 
categorical exclusions which have significantly reduced the time 
required for environmental review for approximately 50 percent of the 
projects submitted by States for HMGP funding. FEMA has developed a new 
process to streamline project cost-effectiveness determinations which 
emphasizes quick determination of lower and upper bound estimates to 
allow State staff to focus resources on potentially eligible projects. 
In addition we have provided substantial new training sessions to both 
FEMA Regional staff and State Hazard Mitigation staff. All of these 
activities are expected to greatly speed the HMGP process in the 
future.
    Question. FEMA is proposing a new $50 million pre-disaster 
mitigation program. Why would this program be used more by the states 
than mitigation activities authorized under sec. 404?
    Answer. Section 404 funds are only available if a disaster has been 
declared; therefore, mitigation actions are generally limited to 
declared area(s).
    This means that States must absorb a cost-share associated with 
mitigation activities at the very same time that they must identify 
resources to pay for the tremendous costs of disaster response, which 
is often prohibitive. Through the Pre-Disaster Mitigation Program, 
however, communities will be able to thoughtfully plan and budget for 
their contribution to eligible risk reduction activities. They will 
also have the time to work with other elements of the community, 
including the private sector, to leverage additional funding and 
resources against their own. These advantages will help ensure that 
Pre-Disaster Mitigation Program funds are used effectively to reduce 
our nation's risk from natural hazards.
    Question. FEMA funds some mitigation work using public assistance 
funds (sec. 406) and sometimes in combination with sec. 404 funds. Is 
this appropriate and in accordance with the Stafford Act? What is FEMA 
doing to clarify whether mitigation should occur under sec. 406 versus 
sec. 404?
    Answer. When Congress amended Public Law 93-288, the Disaster 
Relief Act of 1974, in 1988 (upon enactment of Public Law 100-707) the 
legislation was amended to: (1) add new section 404, which authorized 
hazard mitigation funding; and (2) revise the authority of what is now 
Section 406 to add the reference at subsection 406(e)(1) that 
prescribed hazard mitigation criteria.
    The use of Section 406 alone or in combination with Section 404 is 
both appropriate and consistent with explicit Stafford Act authorities. 
Section 406(e)(1) allows for ``hazard mitigation criteria'' to be 
included in funding determinations for discrete public assistance 
projects. A Section 404 project may affect several Section 406 public 
assistance projects, as well as the community at large. If a Section 
404 project ties into and augments the mitigation elements of a Section 
406 project, it is neither an inconsistent nor an inappropriate use of 
Stafford Act funding. There is no indication in the Stafford Act that 
these two hazard mitigation authorities cannot be used in conjunction 
with each other, and FEMA believes that it has implemented these two 
hazard mitigation authorities consistent with the congressional intent 
behind their simultaneous enactment.
    To clarify the use of these two authorities, FEMA has issued 
policies that distinguish between the mitigation scenarios in which 
either Section 404 or 406 can be invoked. FEMA has also assembled a 
404/406 Mitigation Task Force, which will provide additional 
clarification as specific instances require.
    Question. When will you submit your legislative proposal for this 
new $50 million plan? How many projects do you anticipate will be 
funded, and what will be the criteria for participation? How will you 
maximize the use of this relatively modest sum for mitigation projects?
    Answer. The legislative proposal will be included in the package 
containing cost eligibility changes that we are planning to send to you 
in July of this year. We will try to fund as many projects as we can in 
order to achieve some balances among the geographic spread, the types 
of risks and hazards, and the categories of mitigation measures carried 
out. We will be testing criteria for participation with the pilot 
effort this fiscal year, and proposed criteria will be formalized 
through regulations authorized by the legislation being drafted. In 
addition to criteria that relates to risk reduction requirements, we 
will also be looking at leveraging non-Federal resources in order to 
maximize the modest amount of funds requested.
    Question. We understand that mitigation saves money, but we have 
seen no quantification of the extent to which mitigation reduces future 
disaster relief costs. Has an assessment been done to provide some 
baseline for cost-savings? If not, when will it be done?
    Answer. Over the last several years, the need for an assessment of 
mitigation cost savings has become apparent. At this time, we are in 
the process of planning a project to perform a macro-economic analysis 
of mitigation. We plan to initiate a study of the cost-effectiveness of 
a broad spectrum of mitigation measures (such as building codes and 
acquisition/relocation projects) before the end of fiscal year 1998. 
Because this analysis will take time to complete, we commissioned a 
smaller report on the cost-effectiveness of mitigation that is 
scheduled for release in the next two weeks. This report includes a 
brief explanation of many of the types of mitigation which have 
produced useful effects. It also includes 16 ``case studies,'' which 
were chosen to provide multi-hazard examples of a variety of mitigation 
techniques across a wide geographical distribution. A copy is attached 
for your reference.
                   performance partnership agreements
    Question. FEMA's budget includes $147 million for state grants 
through the so-called ``performance partnerships'' agreements. Two 
years ago, when FEMA first proposed performance partnerships, the 
agency indicated there would be new criteria for awarding state grants. 
Please explain what those criteria are.
    Answer. A driving force behind the Performance Partnership 
Agreement (PPA) is to make performance a consideration in the awarding 
of annual pre-disaster grants to the states. The PPA is a five-year 
agreement designed to implement the strategic planning concepts of 
GPRA. A June 1, 1998 deadline has been set for all state PPA's to be 
modified to reflect measurable performance indicators.
    FEMA Regions continue to consider annual performance as criteria 
for annual cooperative agreement grant funding. Risk, need and special 
projects also continue to be considerations in how funds are divided 
among the states.
    Question. What are the specific performance measures states are 
held to under these new performance partnership agreements, and how are 
states held accountable for meeting these measures? How are high-
performing states rewarded?
    Answer. Performance measures under the PPA are jointly developed by 
the State and FEMA. The measures vary depending on the unique 
circumstances of the state and objectives set as part of that states 
strategic planning. Eventually, states will be held accountable by 
making long-term PPA performance a criteria for annual CA funds. In 
addition, FEMA is exploring options for rewarding states for pre-
disaster performance in mitigation and increasing their disaster 
capability through post-disaster grants. Another option under 
consideration is a more favorable cost-share on public assistance 
disaster grants.
    Question. How are performance partnerships used to encourage states 
and local governments to undertake mitigation activities to reduce the 
risk of losses to public facilities?
    Answer. The PPA is developed around the four functions of emergency 
management: preparedness, mitigation, response and recovery. Each 
function has partnership and state objectives and strategies for 
accomplishing the objectives. Mitigation is a major focus of the PPA 
objectives and strategies and is an area FEMA is working to encourage 
through future incentives.
    Question. Other than reducing administrative burdens and providing 
a single funding stream, how are the performance partnerships any 
different from the old grant process under the comprehensive 
cooperative agreements?
    Answer. The PPA was developed to replace FEMA's comprehensive 
cooperative agreement (CCA) process. Under the PPA, states have more 
flexibility in the use of funds in exchange for accountability of 
performance; while the states, not FEMA, propose how the funds will be 
spent, annual activities must clearly reflect state priorities and 
needs and contribute to the achievement of long-term state objectives 
in the PPA. Under the old CCA, FEMA determined how the funds were to be 
spent and there were no established long-term objectives that annual 
CCA activities worked towards accomplishing.
    Question. What is the status of FEMA's ability to assess states' 
capacities to respond to disasters? What means do you use to make these 
assessments? Has the I.G. deemed whether your method is adequate and 
appropriate? How can you rely on states' self-assessments to make 
determinations on capabilities? In your opinion, how many states 
currently have a reliable assessment of their capability to respond to 
disasters?
    Answer. FEMA is currently developing the capability assessment 
process to assess the capabilities of State and local governments to 
effectively respond to catastrophic disasters. The Program Elements 
Guide (PEG) is the principal tool that FEMA is currently developing to 
accomplish this task. This tool categorizes emergency management 
activities into the following 13 components: (1) Laws and Authorities; 
(2) Hazard Identification and Risk Assessment; (3) Hazard Management; 
(4) Resource Management; (5) Planning; (6) Direction, Control and 
Coordination; (7) Communications and Warning; (8) Operations and 
Procedures; (9) Logistics and Facilities; (10) Training; (11) 
Exercises; (12) Public Education and Information; and (13) Finance and 
Administration. It was recently favorably reviewed by representatives 
from the National Emergency Management Association (NEMA), an 
organization of State Directors of Emergency Management. It is 
anticipated that the PEG will be finalized by April 21, 1997. The 
Inspector General's office has participated in the briefings on 
capability assessment and the implementation schedule.
    The capability assessments will be completed for all States during 
fiscal year 1997, and FEMA will submit a report to the Congress by 
October 1, 1997, on the status of State capabilities and the Emergency 
Management Partnership to respond to major disasters. FEMA will not be 
relying entirely on State self-assessments. It is our intention that 
there be substantial Federal involvement in as many of the State 
assessments as possible this year, given timing, staffing and funding 
restraints. Many of the States have conducted capability assessments 
over the course of time, but these have not been developed in a 
standardized format; therefore, it is difficult to draw substantive 
conclusions on these efforts. The goal of the FEMA capability 
assessment process is to create an assessment system that will be 
acceptable to all States and will result in a reliable and consistent 
national evaluation of the state of readiness in the nation.

                                  GPRA

    Question. Under the Government Performance and Results Act (GPRA), 
FEMA is required to develop a mission statement and strategic plans. 
I'm very concerned with mission creep at FEMA over the last several 
years. The mission creep is evident in the fact that there's been a 54 
percent increase in the number of major disaster declarations in the 5-
year period fiscal year 1992-96, compared to fiscal year 1987-91. Where 
FEMA used to confine itself to responding when state and local 
governments were overwhelmed, FEMA's new role seems to be about being 
all things to all people. What process are you using to develop your 
mission statement and strategic plan, and who are you consulting with 
to ensure it meets the intent of Congress?
    Answer. FEMA was one of the first federal agencies to develop a 
strategic plan back in December 1994. The strategic plan's mission 
statement and its goals were developed even earlier and served to guide 
the agency's 1993 reorganization. In its June 1996 report, entitled, 
``Executive Guide--Effectively Implementing the Government Performance 
and Results Act,'' Congress's General Accounting Office (GAO) 
highlighted FEMA's reorganization around its mission statement and 
strategic goals.
    In 1993, FEMA's new Director refocused the agency on meeting its 
mission and aligning its activities to better serve the public. As part 
of its first agency-wide strategic planning effort, FEMA 
comprehensively reviewed its programs and structures and initiated a 
major reorganization in November 1993. By more closely aligning its 
activities, processes, and resources with its mission, FEMA appears 
today to be better positioned to accomplish that mission.
    As a result of experience gained through the GPRA pilot phase FEMA 
realized that agency-wide training on the concept of GPRA and strategic 
planning would be necessary. To date, training has been conducted for 
over 400 managers and staff agency-wide. The training effort includes a 
two-day workshop in each of the 10 regions for our regional staff and 
our State partners.
    FEMA is in the process of updating its strategic plan, and making 
it more precise, measurable and consistent with GPRA requirements. FEMA 
established a GPRA Steering Committee, made-up of representatives from 
throughout the agency, to oversee the process. FEMA is not proposing 
any changes to its current mission statement (in fact, the 
Congressional Institute and National Academy of Public Administration 
which trained congressional staff on GPRA used FEMA's mission statement 
as a model). Our six strategic goals have been reduced to three draft 
goals which we believe represent FEMA's statutory mandates.
    A significant part of FEMA's mission is to lead and support the 
national emergency management system. Therefore, performance measures 
for FEMA's draft new strategic goals will reflect how well the national 
system is performing. We believe the information we need to measure our 
performance already exists in the public and private sector. We expect 
to have draft performance measures identified by May 1997.
    FEMA's primary stakeholders are the State governments and the State 
emergency managers and the National Emergency Management Association in 
particular. We have discussed the direction of our strategic planning 
efforts with the States and NEMA and shared draft documents. We will 
continue to consult with them throughout the process and ask for final 
comments before the plan is finalized. FEMA has also shared its draft 
strategic plan with Federal agencies such as EPA, Transportation, SBA, 
Army Corps of Engineers, etc., to ensure a complimentary approach to 
GPRA.
    FEMA has already briefed two congressional committees and will be 
making more consultations to discuss all aspects of proposed changes to 
the agency's strategic plan, including, options for performance 
measures.
    The Agency is on track to have the updated plan and new performance 
measures, as well as the GPRA required fiscal year 1999 Performance 
Plan completed this summer in advance of the September 30 deadline.

                                 CSEPP

    Question. In January, GAO presented preliminary findings of a 
review conducted on CSEPP, a joint Army/FEMA program to improve 
emergency response capabilities in the communities near the chemical 
weapons storage sites. GAO found that while $420 million has been 
appropriated to date, local communities still lack critical items 9 
years after the program's inception and there are long-standing 
management weaknesses at the federal level, including unclear roles and 
responsibilities.
    Why has so little progress been made with the $420 million spent to 
date? What is the status of negotiations with the Army over the future 
of the CSEPP program. What role does FEMA believe it ought to play in 
this program? Who should be held accountable for the lack of progress 
in this program?
    Answer. FEMA has discussed with GAO the validity of the draft 
report's finding that emergency preparedness capability has been unduly 
slow in the communities surrounding the eight chemical weapons storage 
sites. We anticipate that the final report may differ from the draft 
somewhat, since it is demonstrable that considerable progress has been 
made in CSEPP emergency preparedness. States are significantly better 
prepared to respond to a chemical incident today than even two years 
ago. Alert and notification systems have been installed to warn the 
public, in-place communications systems will allow on- and off-post 
responders to communicate effectively, and, through Federally-funded 
public education programs, the public is continually informed of 
protective action measures to be taken in case of a chemical accident.
    FEMA recognizes that not all anticipated emergency preparedness 
equipment has been purchased and/or installed, and, as a result, full 
programmatic capability has not yet been attained in all sites. 
However, many sites have completed the purchase and installation of 
necessary equipment, and are nearing the maintenance phase. While not 
all equipment is in place, operational capability has been attained for 
most benchmark items at each site. Thus, while capability will 
undeniably improve, employable capability exists in nearly every case.
    There have been issues requiring resolution between FEMA and the 
Department of the Army regarding the day-to-day management of CSEPP. 
However, while we recognize that perceptions exist in some quarters 
that the issues are affecting program delivery, both FEMA and the Army 
have worked very closely to ensure the uninterrupted delivery of 
program services. Given the different operating styles of FEMA and the 
Army, it is reasonable to expect periodic problems to arise with 
program delivery. As they have with previous programmatic or stylistic 
differences, both FEMA and the Army have been taking positive steps 
toward resolving those issues and believe that they will be resolved 
shortly for the maximum benefit of the program. It is worthy of note 
that FEMA Director James Lee Witt and Secretary of the Army Togo West 
are personally involved in resolving these issues expeditiously.

                            ARSON INITIATIVE

    Question. In the fiscal year 1997 operating plan, FEMA proposed a 
reprogramming of $775,000 for participation in the President's National 
Arson Prevention Initiative, which was established in response to the 
rash of church burnings last year. Can you tell me precisely what 
FEMA's role is in this initiative, what has been accomplished so far, 
and whether additional funds are requested in fiscal year 1998 to 
continue participating in the President's initiative?
    Answer. In June 1996, the President asked FEMA Director Witt to 
lead a National Arson Prevention Initiative and coordinate available 
public and private sector resources to combat arson nationally. 
Although prompted by the tragic series of fires at houses of worship, 
the Initiative is intended to address the larger problem posed by arson 
in this country. FEMA has been joined in this effort by the Departments 
of Justice, the Treasury, Housing and Urban Development, Education, 
Agriculture, and the Corporation for National Service. Governors in 
States most affected by the church burnings have rallied in their 
support of arson prevention and they, with local leaders throughout the 
country, have been strong partners in the Initiative.
    Each of the major law enforcement, crime prevention, education, 
church, and voluntary groups and organizations have been tremendous 
contributors to the Initiative. In addition, eight national fire 
service organizations pledged their memberships in the fight against 
arson including the Alliance for Fire and Emergency Management 
(International Society of Fire Service Instructors), the International 
Association of Arson Investigators, the International Association of 
Black Professional Fire Fighters, the International Association of Fire 
Chiefs, the International Association of Fire Fighters, the National 
Fire Protection Association, the National Association of State Fire 
Marshals, and the National Volunteer Fire Council.
    Recognizing that arson is a local problem that requires local 
solutions, FEMA's role in the Initiative has been to facilitate 
community arson prevention efforts and apply public and private 
resources to their best effect. Provided for the record is a copy of 
``Fire Stops With You--The National Arson Prevention Initiative: Six 
Month Report to the President.'' This report details the interagency 
and intergovernmental accomplishments of the Initiative from June 
through December 1996.
    The Initiative entered a new phase in January. FEMA is piloting the 
creation of community-based arson prevention coalitions in three cities 
in the Southeast and one city in the Northeast. The cities that are 
participating include Macon, Georgia, Nashville, Tennessee, Charlotte, 
North Carolina, and Utica, New York. The experiences of these 
communities in forming a coalition and actively engaging their 
residents in arson prevention will serve as models for communities 
across the country. Three of the pilot cities will ``launch'' their 
coalitions nationally as part of a series of events occurring during 
National Arson Awareness Week, May 4-10, 1997. As part of that week, 
arson prevention grant awards of $12,000 will be made to every State 
($5,000 to each territory and the District) to encourage and support 
Statewide arson public education and awareness effort.
    Efforts on the full range of arson prevention topics also continue. 
In partnership with the Department of Justice, a series of Statewide 
arson prevention conferences will be conducted over the next several 
months in seventeen States. Additionally, development of training and 
public education materials on juvenile firesetters is underway. Between 
July 1996 and March 1997, the National Arson Prevention Clearinghouse 
received nearly 15,000 telephone calls and distributed approximately 
half a million packets of information.
    The National Arson Prevention Initiative has resulted in a 
framework to support State and local governments that capitalizes on 
available resources from a variety of sources and has resulted in 
increased understanding and awareness of the problem. Individuals have 
begun to recognize the impact that arson has on their lives and have 
become involved in preventing it within their communities. This 
Initiative will be institutionalized and will serve as the umbrella 
strategy for the Agency's overall arson efforts within the U.S. Fire 
Administration. Funding requested for fiscal year 1998 will continue to 
support vital training, public education, and technical assistance 
efforts, as well as the continuance of the National Arson Prevention 
Clearinghouse and the coalition-building efforts.
                mt. weather emergency assistance center
    Question. In the fiscal year 1997 operating plan, FEMA indicated 
the need to renovate and expand building 430 at MWEAC to accommodate a 
rapidly expanding demand for additional training class rooms and 
conference areas, at a cost of $1.67 million. At the time, FEMA said 
``we are currently evaluating options to fund this requirement later 
this fiscal year. Should sufficient funds be available, we will forward 
to you the required reprogramming request.'' What is the status of your 
evaluation? Do you anticipate a reprogramming request? Are any funds 
requested in fiscal year 1998 for renovations at Mt. Weather? When will 
there be a long-term plan for the Mt. Weather facility, and why should 
any renovations take place prior to the completion of such a plan?
    Answer. The Office of Financial Management is conducting a mid-year 
review of all FEMA spending plans. Upon completion of the review, a 
final determination will be made as to the distribution of fiscal year 
1997 funds held for prior year obligations. The expansion of the Mt. 
Weather Training Center has already been determined a high priority 
candidate for any funds that may become available. If funds are 
determined to be available, a reprogramming request will be forwarded.
    Mt. Weather has been selected as the initial participant in FEMA's 
Working Capital Fund (WCF) and in fiscal year 1998, will complete the 
transition to a fully operational mode, continuing to provide office, 
conference, training and billeting accommodations for FEMA and other 
Federal agencies. Currently Mount Weather supports seven internal 
customers and several external Federal tenants. While an aggressive 
marketing plan has been implemented to attract new customers, the 
fiscal year 1998 anticipated income will not fund extensive building 
renovations. Some building maintenance projects such as roof repair, 
road maintenance, painting and concrete repair are planned and will be 
funded through the collections of the WCF.
    Mt. Weather has become a hub of emergency activity since it was 
restructured in 1993 to support the all-hazards mission of the agency. 
A population explosion has occurred during the last 4 years, moving 
from a daily workforce of about 400 employees to one of more than 900. 
The Conference and Training Center (CTC) activity has expanded 
dramatically from fewer than 6,000 students/conferees in 1993 to more 
than 18,000 in fiscal year 1996.
    Much of this growth is attributed to the decision to locate fixed 
disaster operations at Mt. Weather. Six major disaster functions have 
been established at the Facility that include: the National Processing 
Service Center-Virginia; Satellite Teleregistration Center; Disaster 
Finance Center; Disaster Information Systems Clearinghouse; Disaster 
Personnel Operations Division; and the Agency Logistics Center. On a 
day-to-day basis, Mount Weather supports about 250 new disaster CORE 
positions that did not exist in 1993.
    This changed environment requires careful strategic planning to 
support current operations and to accommodate the growth that is likely 
to occur with the implementation of an aggressive marketing effort. As 
part of the strategic planning, a capital expansion plan, based upon an 
assessment of the Agency's operational requirements over the next 5 
years, has been prepared. This plan includes six projects that will 
provide additional space and capability to include major building 
renovations, expansion of training facilities and infrastructure 
improvements.

                       NATIONAL PROCESSING CENTER

    Question. What is the status of the new National Processing Center 
in Hyattsville, MD? How many staff have been hired at Hyattsville, and 
how many additional staff are anticipated?
    Answer. The Hyattsville National Processing Services Center build-
out is nearing completion and FEMA and the General Services 
Administration (GSA) are entering into final lease negotiations. While 
these deliberations are taking place, FEMA has initiated recruitment 
actions for 66 of the 112 baseline staffing positions at the facility 
and has established a Human Resources Management recruiting office on-
site. The Human Resources Management Office will also be responsible 
for the recruitment of surge staff that will provide additional 
operational staffing capacity on a disaster by disaster basis. 
Occupancy of the facility will occur as soon as the lease between FEMA 
and GSA is signed, which is expected to occur sometime during the month 
of June.

                                 INEEL

    Question. In the fiscal year 1997 operating plan, FEMA proposed 
funding for the Idaho Nuclear Engineering Laboratory (INEL) out of 
funds set aside by the Congress for pre-disaster mitigation activities, 
even while the conference report stipulated that no such funds be spent 
until the agency develop a comprehensive pre-disaster mitigation plan. 
Even more astounding in the agency's proposal was the fact that in 
answers to questions proposed by Congressman Jerry Lewis last year, 
FEMA said, ``We advised [INEL] that they should discuss research with 
the National Science Foundation. With limited resources for hazard 
mitigation, it is our opinion that additional research and testing 
facilities are not needed at this time. The money could be better spent 
by taking existing research and putting it into application for use by 
state and local governments to reduce the damages to life and property 
from natural disaster.'' Why did FEMA reverse itself and propose 
funding INEL's research proposal? What is the status of the 
International Multi-hazard Mitigation Partnership to be created by 
INEL, and what is this partnership intending to accomplish?
    Answer. FEMA's response to Chairman Lewis' question regarding the 
Idaho National Engineering and Environmental Laboratory (INEEL) was 
based on an initial proposal presented by INEEL. Later, INEEL changed 
the proposal significantly, to emphasize the concept of a private--
public partnership to promote full-scale environmental hazard 
simulation. INEEL informed FEMA that many private sector potential 
partners were prepared to make significant contributions to this 
initiative if FEMA would step forward and provide an initial financial 
contribution. FEMA technical staff carefully analyzed the revised 
proposal and consulted many of our mitigation partners. The analysis 
and discussion with our partners, underscored some of the benefits of a 
full-scale wind storm simulation facility.
    FEMA recognizes the need to move towards a greater emphasis on 
disaster loss mitigation through the development of policies and 
procedures that may either prevent future losses or reduce their 
magnitude. FEMA has also identified the need for a greater coordinated 
effort in the area of Private-Public partnerships. This need is 
greatest in the area of windstorm mitigation. The FEMA--Department of 
Energy agreement is designed to result in the creation of a new 
mitigation partnership called the International Multi-Hazard Mitigation 
Partnership (IMMP).
    Since the benefits derived under the IMMP will be diffused across a 
broad spectrum, FEMA expects INEEL to identify a broad spectrum of 
technical and financial support. The Agency's continued involvement in 
the IMMP is predicated on a broad coalition being constituted. It 
expects that its financial contribution will be leveraged against the 
contributions of others, particularly the private sector that will reap 
much of the benefit from the testing that will occur at this facility. 
FEMA`s future financial contributions should not be the primary source 
of funding for the IMMP or the construction and use of any proposed 
testing facilities.
    In an effort to advance the IMMP, FEMA agreed to provide an initial 
financial contribution of $1 million dollars. To date, INEEL has 
contributed a similar amount of funds, in both cash and services. To 
ensure accountability, FEMA is providing funding in four installments. 
Presently, the IMMP has received and spent $731,000. The remaining 
funding of $269,000 is proposed to come from the fiscal year 1997 Pre-
disaster Mitigation Program. These funds have recently been obligated 
based on Congressional concurrence with FEMA's proposed Predisaster 
Mitigation Program spending plan.

                             MOBILE ASSETS

    Question. Last year, FEMA identified 10 actions considered to be of 
highest priority for upgrading its mobile response actions. While no 
funds were requested by the administration, the Congress appropriated 
$3.4 million in fiscal year 1997 for the first of these 10 actions. 
What is the total cost associated with the remaining ``high priority'' 
actions, and are any funds requested in fiscal year 1998, and if not, 
why not? How much is requested to maintain the Mobile Emergency 
Response System (MERS)? What is the status of the baseline capability 
assessment of MERS, which was due at the end of calendar 1996? What did 
the baseline assessment reveal? What are the costs in the next 5 years 
required to maintain adequately the MERS system?
    Answer. The projected cost associated with the remaining high 
priority actions is $18.85 million. While the fiscal year 1998 budget 
submission was made prior to the initiation of the baseline assessment 
of the MERS, the annual budget requested $5.75 million for the 
Operation and Maintenance of the MERS. This supports the costs of 
electricity, water, heating oil or gas, trash collection, vehicle/
equipment maintenance, spare parts, maintenance contracts for unique 
equipment and systems, facility maintenance, and training.
    Following completion of the initial phase of the baseline 
capability assessment of MERS in December 1996, a summary of the 
assessment was provided in the Report to Congress. The second phase of 
the baseline assessment will continue in 1997 and the results will be 
used to reprioritize any request included in the fiscal year 1999 
Budget submission. The baseline assessment determined the priority for 
the replacement/upgrade of MERS vehicles and equipment. In addition, a 
list of vehicles and systems no longer required to support the FEMA 
All-Hazard Mission was developed. These vehicles and systems are to be 
declared excess to the needs of MERS and offered to other elements 
within FEMA and through GSA to other Federal Departments and Agencies 
for their use.
    The projected O&M budget of $5.75 million is adequate to maintain 
the MERS if limited or no replacement/upgrade of vehicles or systems is 
accomplished. To insure the replacement/upgrade of those systems 
identified by the baseline assessment is accomplished over the next 5 
years, the additional funds estimated are: fiscal year 1998: $5.15M; 
fiscal year 1999: $5.45M; fiscal year 2000: $4.75M; fiscal year 2001: 
$3.5M. Following these replacements/upgrades, an additional $1.5 
million per year should be programmed to allow for the replacement/
upgrade of other vehicles, equipment, or systems that will become non-
maintainable.
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                Questions Submitted by Senator Campbell

                      fire suppression declaration
    Question. I understand that it is FEMA's responsibility to make a 
Fire Suppression Declaration to get aid to communities in fighting 
wildfires. Is it possible to streamline this process so communities can 
get the help they need in a shorter amount of time?
    Answer. The Fire Suppression Assistance program provides assistance 
to any State for suppression of any fire on publicly or privately owned 
forest or grassland which threatens such destruction that would lead to 
a major disaster declaration.
    The entire process, described below, is accomplished in an 
expedited or streamlined manner, normally by telephone, and many times 
a FEMA decision is rendered within an hour upon receipt at national 
headquarters. FEMA can respond to a State's request for Fire 
Suppression Assistance 24 hours a day.
    The program is administered on a real time active ``incident fire'' 
basis, under which the Governor or authorized representative submits a 
request for assistance to FEMA's Regional Director at the time a 
``threat of a major disaster'' exists. The Region contacts headquarters 
with the State's request, the Regional recommendation, and the U.S. 
Forest Service's Principal Advisors assessment of the fire situation. 
FEMA then evaluates the following factors in order of priority to 
determine the approval of a Fire Suppression Assistance grant:
  --The location of the fire and continued threat to life and improved 
        property.
  --The existence of high fire danger conditions: humidity, wind speed 
        and direction.
  --The availability of State and local resources.
  --The existence of two or more fires in the same area.
    To facilitate program delivery, FEMA has updated the Fire 
Suppression Assistance manual, which should be ready for distribution 
in June of 1997.

                      PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS

    Question. Following the Buffalo Creek wildfire and the flooding 
that resulted in Colorado, I understand that FEMA produced some 
educational materials for homeowners. The JANUS group paid for 
production while Rotary Clubs distributed the material. Is FEMA looking 
at this excellent model of a public-private partnership in other areas 
of its responsibility?
    Answer. For the past year and a half, FEMA has been actively 
exploring opportunities to partner with the business sector to develop 
and distribute educational materials and better coordinate and 
communicate with the business sector during and after disasters. 
Director Witt has sponsored several roundtable discussions with 
business and constituency groups to explore partnership opportunities. 
FEMA is currently working with insurance industry representatives on 
several task forces seeking ways we can work together to provide better 
service to mutual customers, and is in the final stages of developing a 
local-based emergency management pilot project designed to include the 
business sector in emergency management planning and operational 
activities at the local level. FEMA has also worked closely with the 
business sector in managing donations of goods and services to 
communities and individuals impacted by disasters.

                           DROUGHT ASSISTANCE

    Question. During and after the devastating drought in the 
Southwest, it seemed to take a long time to get relief to communities 
and individuals in need. Has FEMA considered changing its policy on 
dealing with drought problems as rapidly as it already does with higher 
profile emergencies such as hurricanes?
    Answer. Unlike the immediate devastation usually caused by a 
hurricane, droughts develop and inflict damage over an extended period 
of time. In response to the Drought of 1996, FEMA formed a task force 
to coordinate Federal response to drought affected States by 
identifying needs, applicable programs and barriers to programs, and 
outlining suggestions of the participants for improved drought 
management. At the urging of the Western Governors' Association (WGA) 
Drought Task Force, a Memorandum of Understanding was signed early this 
year which identifies the United States Department of Agriculture 
(USDA) as the lead Federal agency on drought issues. USDA volunteered 
to be the lead agency because agriculture is most severely affected by 
drought. Currently, a Coordinating Council is being formed by the WGA, 
which will include other relevant Federal agencies, including FEMA, to 
address drought on an event-by-event basis and to also establish long-
term planning, mitigation and response policies for droughts.

                          HAZARDOUS MATERIALS

    Question. Some of the nation's major highways run through Colorado. 
This places our citizens at risk as hazardous materials routinely move 
through our state. Do you feel confident that FEMA is prepared to deal 
with emergencies resulting from accidents involving these hazardous 
materials?
    Answer. Initial response to a hazardous materials incident is a 
state and local government responsibility. In Colorado, the State 
Highway Patrol has responsibility for hazardous materials response. 
This organization is well trained and equipped to respond to most 
hazardous materials transportation emergencies. In the event that an 
incident should be severe enough to require a presidential disaster 
declaration, FEMA, in partnership with the Environmental Protection 
Agency (EPA) would respond under the Federal Response Plan. The Federal 
Response Plan has been successfully used in past disasters and I am 
confident that it would save lives and property in the case of a severe 
hazardous materials spill.
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                  Questions Submitted by Senator Craig

                            LANDSLIDE POLICY

    Question. Please clarify what policy, if any, the federal 
government has related to disaster assistance for landslides. Please 
differentiate between FEMA assistance during an incident period as it 
relates to actual slide damage and FEMA assistance either during or 
after the incident period as it relates to potential land slides and 
damage.
    Answer. The FEMA policy related to assistance when landslides 
occur, has remained substantially unchanged since 1984, although it was 
recently (November 30, 1995) republished in a format that FEMA has 
adopted for all disaster assistance program policies. The policy is 
best explained as it relates to two different types of work, emergency 
protective measures, and permanent repair of damaged facilities.
    Eligible emergency protective measures are defined as work 
necessary to alleviate an immediate threat to public health and safety 
or improved property that is the result of a slide caused by the 
declared disaster. When such a slide results in an immediate threat, 
that threat may be reduced by removal of slide material or by temporary 
stabilization. Such emergency work may also be completed if the 
disaster event causes an immediate potential of a slide that would 
damage improved property or endanger public health and safety. 
Emergency protective measures could also include work completed during 
the incident period to reduce immediate threats. The basic eligibility 
question to be answered in both situations is whether the threat is a 
result of the disaster and not a condition that existed before the 
disaster.
    When an eligible facility has been damaged by a landslide, work to 
stabilize the slide is only eligible when it is integral to the 
eligible repair of the damaged facility and when the site is not 
unstable due to a pre-existing condition. The applicant must first 
correct any pre-existing condition before the facility repair will be 
approved by FEMA.
          fema coordination of long term flood recovery plans
    Question. As I understand it FEMA is currently responsible for 
coordinating the response phase of a disaster. Is any agency 
responsible during the recovery phase of federal disaster efforts? In 
your opinion, could FEMA be the lead agency in the recovery phase? If 
so, how would you direct your agency to handle the responsibility?
    Answer. FEMA has been working with the primary Federal departments 
and agencies involved in the Federal Response Plan (FRP) to determine 
if, and how best to integrate recovery into the FRP. The complexity 
arises from the significant difference between response and recovery 
operations. Different authorities, Federal agencies and programs are 
involved during disaster recovery. The full recovery effort may take a 
considerable period of time, and continue long after FEMA field 
operations have been concluded. The State and local role in recovery is 
much more critical because that is where mitigation priorities are 
determined and implemented.
    FEMA has the clear responsibility under statute and executive 
orders to lead and coordinate the Federal response to an emergency or 
major disaster. Normal disaster response includes many of the recovery 
efforts we now engage in for the full range of disasters, including 
floods. At present, FEMA addresses recovery issues on a case by case 
basis with our State and Federal counterparts to determine: (1) what 
recovery efforts are appropriate; (2) who should participate; and (3) 
what resources are available. FEMA's long-term goals to reduce the 
impacts of future disasters can often be implemented by focusing on 
increased mitigation efforts during the recovery phase. In addition, 
during this year's Midwest floods, FEMA was asked by President Clinton 
to establish a Long-Term Recovery Task Force to coordinate the Federal 
effort. This approach may serve as a model for our future efforts; 
however, to do this effectively additional personnel and financial 
resources should be required. Normally, FEMA would transition out of 
the recovery process as quickly as possible to free up critical 
manpower and resources for other disasters, and to permit State and 
local authorities to assert themselves in carrying out their recovery 
responsibilities.
    We acknowledge that specific Federal programs may continue as an 
integral component of the long-term recovery effort. These programs 
would operate under their own authorities and program guidelines.

     PRE-DISASTER MITIGATION/INTERNATIONAL MULTI-HAZARD MITIGATION 
                              PARTNERSHIP

    Question. The President's budget request includes funding for pre-
disaster mitigation. Would you please tell the subcommittee what 
specifically that funding is intended to accomplish?
    Answer. Specifically, our priority goal is to reduce the impact of 
natural hazards on public facilities eligible for disaster assistance 
under the Stafford Act.
    Question. Do you feel there is a need for additional technical 
knowledge to help understand the science of how physical structures 
react to disasters?
    Answer. FEMA recognizes the need to improve our understanding of 
how structures react to natural hazard events. Improved understanding 
may either prevent future losses or reduce their magnitude. For this 
reason, FEMA's National Mitigation Strategy (NMS) has identified 
applied research and technology transfer as one area for further work.
    Question. Do you feel there is a role for the national laboratories 
in the pre-disaster mitigation program? What is that role?
    Answer. The Department of Energy's National Engineering and 
Environmental Laboratories have a long history of developing and 
transferring state-of-the-art technologies throughout the public and 
private sectors. The laboratories have been involved in studying the 
effects of natural hazards for many years, such as the effects of high 
winds and earthquakes on nuclear facilities. Currently the laboratories 
have numerous initiatives underway in the area of natural hazards 
mitigation. As examples, the Idaho lab is implementing the 
International Multihazard Mitigation Partnership, intended to promote 
full-scale simulation of natural hazards on structures and the Oak 
Ridge lab has formed a partnership with the Roofing Industry Council On 
Wind Impacts (RICOWI) to study the effects of high winds from tornadoes 
hurricanes on roofing systems.
    Question. Could you explain FEMA's position on the need for full-
scale testing of physical structures against simulated environmental 
phenomena?
    Answer. There is a broad agreement, both inside and outside 
government, that a full scale wind test facility may improve our 
understanding of the performance of buildings, structures, and 
infrastructure when exposed to high winds associated with hurricanes, 
coastal storms, gust fronts, thunderstorm downbursts, and limited 
tornado scenarios.
    FEMA and the Department of Energy have an inter-agency agreement to 
establish a mitigation partnership called the International Multi-
Hazard Mitigation Partnership (IMMP). The IMMP shall work to achieve 
relevant goals of the National Mitigation Strategy, specifically the 
coordination of applied research and the implementation of research 
results and public education. The IMMP will emphasize wind hazard 
mitigation and utilize the Idaho National Engineering and Environmental 
Laboratory (INEEL) as its applied research instrument.
    Since the benefits derived under the IMMP will be diffused across a 
broad spectrum, FEMA and INEEL believe there must be a broad coalition 
of technical and financial support. FEMA's continued partnership with 
INEEL is predicated on such a broad coalition being established. 
Therefore, FEMA expects that its financial contribution will be 
leveraged against the contributions of others and that the agency's 
future financial contributions will not be the primary source of 
funding for the IMMP or the construction and use of any proposed test 
facilities.
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                Questions Submitted by Senator Mikulski

                    MARYLAND FLOOD TASK FORCE REPORT

    Question. What commitments if any has FEMA made to assist with the 
projects recommended in the Task Force Report?
    Answer. FEMA has committed to working with the State of Maryland in 
order to define statewide mitigation priorities relative to the 
projects and measures identified in the Western Maryland flood 
mitigation report. Prioritization will be based upon costs, projected 
benefits, the effectiveness of the measures, and any other criteria 
which the State believes need to be included. This is a critical step 
in the process of carrying out the mitigation measures and actions 
delineated in the report since the estimated cost of them is, at this 
point, well beyond even those resources available nationwide.
    Question. What time-line has FEMA committed to providing any 
assistance to Maryland for projects outlined in the Flood Task Force 
Report?
    Answer. Two of the projects have already been approved for hazard 
mitigation grant program funds: (1) the floodproofing of the Hancock 
waste water pumping station and (2) floodproofing of the Friendsville 
water treatment plant.
    Question. Will any of the localities be eligible for a greater 
match from FEMA than 75 percent?
    Answer. Matching for hazard mitigation grants is set at 75 percent 
Federal/25 percent State by the Stafford Act.

                    FLOOD INSURANCE CLAIM PROCESSING

    Question. What steps have been taken in the last year by FEMA to 
improve flood insurance claim processing?
    Answer: While there are no published industry guidelines, the 
private insurance industry accepts average claims closure of 60 days. 
They expect 90 percent of all claims to be closed in 90 days. The NFIP 
processing compares very well with private industry. Our record is 
above private industry standards when you consider NFIP's losses are 
much more severe and more difficult to adjust than windstorm losses 
sustained by private industry in similar events.
    In fact, private industry standards for claims check processing is 
7 days from receipt of proof of loss. The average claims check 
processing time for the NFIP is 3 days. Additionally, the standard for 
claims adjustments averages 45 days from receipt of notice of loss. The 
NFIP average is 31 days.
    Ninety-two percent of the National Flood Insurance Program (NFIP) 
policies are written by private insurance companies participating in 
the Write Your Own (WYO) Program under an agreement with the Federal 
Insurance Administrator. The agreement calls for the WYO Companies to 
handle flood insurance as they would any other line of business.
    When a claim is presented by the policyholder, the WYO company 
handles the claim as if it were any other line of business they write. 
Depending on their own rules, they will allow the agent to assign the 
claim to an independent adjuster or the company will make the 
assignment themselves, either to an independent or staff adjuster.
    The other 8 percent of the NFIP policies are handled by the NFIP 
Servicing Agent, National Con-Serv Incorporated (NCSI). These flood 
policies are written through an insurance agent, but there is no 
private company involved. The Federal Insurance Administration (FIA) 
has staff on site to oversee the claims and policy operations.
    At the time of a disaster, the WYO companies or NFIP Servicing 
Agent decide whether to set up a claims office in the area of the 
flooding. This generally depends on how many claims each entity expects 
from the flooding event. Some of the WYO Companies have contracts with 
independent insurance adjusting firms to handle the flood claims; 
others rely on the local agents' knowledge of competent local adjusters 
to handle the claims; and others assign the claims, or some of them, to 
staff adjusters.
    It should be remembered that the NFIP is an insurance operation and 
must deal with an insurance contract that spells out what is covered 
(paid) and under what circumstances. An adjuster is assigned to 
determine what coverage is available to the insured, what the true 
damages are, and what the values of the damaged items are. In order to 
do this, the adjuster must write a building estimate and help the 
insured compile a damaged contents list. All of this activity takes 
some time and may require several visits to the same structure to 
conclude the loss.
    When a homeowner reports a fire claim under his homeowners policy, 
it is assigned to an adjuster, generally a staff adjuster, who has a 
backlog of about 30 claims, assigned to him over a period of a month. 
In a flood catastrophe, the adjuster is assigned about 30 claims, or 
more, all at once. Some structures are not ready to be inspected, 
either because they are not completely dry or actually have flood 
waters in them. Some dwellings are secondary dwellings, and the 
insureds are not in the area. In hurricane catastrophes, some areas are 
inaccessible, either because the roads/bridges are washed out or it is 
too dangerous for anyone other than emergency or repair people to 
enter.
    The FIA has Computer Sciences Corporation under contract to act as 
the NFIP Bureau and Statistical Agent. One of their duties is to employ 
experienced, knowledgeable property insurance ``general adjusters'' 
(GA's) to be in the field to help the company and the NFIP Servicing 
Agent adjusters with claims handling in general and with specific 
coverage questions. The GA's also conduct reinspections of claims to 
determine if the rules and regulations of the NFIP are being followed.
    Also, the FIA has seven claims professionals who oversee various 
aspects of the claims process and are available to give guidance to the 
companies, contractors and adjusters. They also handle claims appeals 
that deal with technical issues. The FIA staff go into the field to 
help in the overall claims process and to give support to the Federal 
Coordinating Officer (FCO) at the Disaster Field Office (DFO). The FCO 
is also supported by the NFIP Bureau and Statistical Agent staff in the 
aftermath of a Presidentially declared disaster.
    Finally, to improve NFIP claims processing, the Bureau and 
Statistical Agent holds adjuster workshops all over the United States. 
The adjuster workshops teach what is expected by the NFIP on claims 
handling processes and also claims coverage. Some of these workshops 
are done in conjunction with workshops put on by the larger independent 
claims adjustment firms or for staff adjusters of individual WYO 
Companies. In fiscal year 1996 FEMA conducted 33 workshops.

                           MITIGATION EFFORTS

    Question. Director Witt, like you, I am an advocate for strong 
mitigation efforts that take a proactive approach to reducing the 
impact from nature's fury. At last year's hearing, you mentioned that 
FEMA was working on Memoranda of Understanding (MOU's) with the States 
to establish a statewide mitigation plan within each State where they 
identify their high-priority mitigation projects. What is the status of 
the MOU's? What are the State plans looking like--are the standards 
consistent with FEMA's view of what standards States should meet?
    Answer. After last year's hearings, a workgroup composed of both 
FEMA and State representatives met and determined that there are 
several existing FEMA/State documents beyond MOU's that can serve as 
tools for resolution and clarification of issues. These documents range 
from formal long-term agreements (such as the Performance Partnership 
Agreements), to extremely detailed operational documents (such as the 
Hazard Mitigation Grant Program Administrative Plan).
    Because of the existence of these other tools, FEMA and the 
National Emergency Management Association decided to leave it up to 
each State whether or not they wish to develop a separate MOU with FEMA 
in order to capture high-priority mitigation projects and other 
critical pieces of information that could streamline State mitigation 
activities. FEMA's Regional Offices are currently working with the 
individual States to determine their interest in developing separate 
MOU's.
    Question. FEMA's budget request for fiscal year 1998 includes $50 
million for a pre-disaster mitigation program. Has the program been 
authorized? If not, what is the status of FEMA's attempt to get the 
program authorized? Will the program take into account lessons learned 
in past mitigation work by FEMA and local communities? What are the 
eligibility criteria for communities seeking funding? Will communities 
that have received post-disaster mitigation money in the past be 
eligible for funds? Has FEMA done an analysis of how much money could 
be saved by doing needed pre-disaster mitigation?
    Answer. There is presently no statutory authority for the pre-
disaster mitigation program for which FEMA has requested $50 million in 
fiscal year 1998 appropriations. However, by July 4 we will be 
submitting draft legislation to amend the Stafford Act to authorize a 
pre-disaster hazard mitigation program.
    In designing the Pre-Disaster Mitigation Program (using the $2 
million already provided by the Congress in fiscal year 1997), FEMA 
considered lessons learned from Federal, State and local mitigation 
activities in order to ensure the success of the program. For example:
  --Historically, the most successful mitigation actions have been 
        those which involved persons and organizations from across the 
        community. That is why the Pre-Disaster Mitigation Program will 
        encourage communities to bring all the necessary players to the 
        table from the very beginning to develop a consensus regarding 
        mitigation needs and priorities.
  --In many areas, the support of the private sector has been critical 
        in gaining the necessary resources and support for mitigation 
        work, and in ensuring that the subject mitigation actions 
        protect the economic health and vitality of target communities. 
        That is why FEMA's Pre-Disaster Mitigation Program will place 
        such a heavy emphasis on bringing in private sector partners 
        (such as insurance companies, financial institutions, and area 
        manufacturers) at an early stage.
  --Communities often have difficulty managing unreasonable 
        administrative requirements associated with Federal programs. 
        At FEMA, we are committed to reducing paperwork and 
        bureaucratic red-tape in the delivery of this new mitigation 
        program.
  --Both past experience and research have demonstrated that mitigation 
        is a ``dollars and cents'' issue (i.e., incentives are 
        necessary to effectively encourage mitigation at the State and 
        local levels). This is the reason why the Pre-Disaster 
        Mitigation Program will leverage State, local and private 
        sector contributions with Federal project funding.
    While these are but a few examples of how we plan to use ``lessons 
learned'' from past experience, they demonstrate that we are trying to 
avoid past mistakes and maximize our successes in implementing this new 
program at FEMA.
    The communities selected to participate in the program will be 
chosen according to a number of factors, including: their level of 
risk; the degree to which the proposed pre-disaster mitigation actions 
and processes will reduce that risk; and the ability to transfer the 
processes, approaches, or technologies to similar at-risk communities 
throughout the United States. In addition, communities will be selected 
according to the proposed level of commitment of State, local, and 
private sector partners (i.e., time, funding and resources brought to 
the table). This should help maximize the ``bang for the buck'' 
realized for each taxpayer dollar invested through the Pre-Disaster 
Mitigation Program. Communities will not be disqualified or lowered on 
the priority list simply because they have experienced past disasters 
and have received prior mitigation funding from FEMA.
    The actual level of cost-savings resulting from this program are 
difficult to quantify at this time, since the return on the Federal 
investment will be highly project-specific, and will vary upon the 
amount of non-Federal contribution to each activity. However, we have 
found that mitigation measures return, on average, more than $2 for 
every $1 invested. This demonstrates that an investment in pre-disaster 
mitigation now will result in real cost-savings over the long-term to 
the American taxpayer.

                 FITNESS FOR DUTY/PREPAREDNESS TRAINING

    Question. What is the status of FEMA's work with states on 
developing a plan to evaluate state capability that gauges fitness for 
duty, and not just written reports?
    Answer. FEMA is currently working with our partners to develop a 
formal system that will enable us to assess the effectiveness of State 
and local capabilities. The goal is to create an assessment system that 
will be acceptable to all States and will result in a reliable and 
consistent national evaluation of the state of readiness in the nation. 
Our intent is to have the capability assessment tool tie into and 
complement the States' strategic plans developed as a part of their 
performance partnership agreements developed cooperatively by FEMA and 
the State and local emergency management departments and agencies. We 
expect that we will soon be able to provide an objective appraisal of 
their capabilities and progress.
    It is intended that States will use these Mitigation Assistance 
funds to enhance their capabilities to implement mitigation, and 
provide assistance to local governments to implement mitigation. As a 
result, these funds should have minimized any impact that reduced SLA 
support would have on State mitigation programs.
    Question. The budget request asks for $11.3 million less for 
Preparedness, Training and Exercises. I understand that some of this is 
due to limiting development, revision, and dissemination of field 
courses. How will this impact the ability of FEMA to ensure we have 
adequate fitness for duty training?
    Answer. Nearly 80 percent of the $11.3 million reduction results 
from the redistribution of funds that support the Mt. Weather Emergency 
Assistance Center from the Preparedness, Training and Exercises 
activity to users/customers of the facility. A shift to decentralized 
counter-terrorism programs results in the reduction of approximately 17 
percent of the total reduction. Lastly, less that a two percent 
reduction applied to training activities. This $200,000 reduction will 
somewhat reduce centrally-developed materials which support field 
delivery of training, and will defer two course development/revision 
projects. FEMA has not taken any steps that will reduce fitness for 
duty training, either for our State and local partners, or for in-house 
personnel.
    Question. The Maryland Emergency Management Agency and the National 
Emergency Management Association have contacted me about the negative 
impact experienced at the local level by reductions in the State and 
Local Assistance Grants (SLA). My understanding is that there was a 
$2.9 million cut to SLA for deficit reduction purposes, and that FEMA 
has requested additional money for the account to bring it back up to 
fiscal year 1996 levels. What impact has the cut had on States' 
response and recovery and hazard mitigation efforts?
    Answer. FEMA's fiscal year 1998 budget request for SLA is at the 
same level as the fiscal year 1997 appropriation. This request includes 
funding in support of implementing counter-terrorism activities and 
improving HAZMAT emergency preparedness. FEMA also has several other 
programs that provide assistance, directly or indirectly, to State and 
local governments for the development and enhancement of emergency 
management capabilities.
    The decrease in SLA funds should have had no impact on States' 
mitigation efforts. In fiscal year 1997, FEMA provided an additional $3 
million to States for the purpose of enhancing their capabilities to 
implement hazard mitigation efforts. These Mitigation Assistance funds 
were distributed equally among all 56 States and Territories. 
Additionally, FEMA provides risk-based funds to States that have an 
identified hurricane or earthquake hazard (in fact, during 1997 FEMA 
doubled the funding it provides to hurricane-prone States). Both of the 
Hurricane and Mitigation Assistance funds are provided to States as 
elements of the Mitigation Assistance Program, which is part of the 
FEMA/State Performance Partnership Agreement/Cooperative Agreements 
(PPA/CA) process.
    Our current approach emphasizes development of partnerships with 
State and local emergency management departments and agencies that will 
allow greater flexibility to better meet their needs. FEMA provides 
grants to the States and encourages the locals to work through their 
States to ensure a coordinated effort in working towards the objectives 
identified in their Performance Partnership Agreements. These 
partnerships are based on the expectation, and the confidence, that 
giving the States greater control over the process will enable the 
States and their subdivisions to perform more effectively and 
efficiently. We are developing a nationwide capability assessment 
process in fiscal year 1997 which will allow us to provide an objective 
appraisal of the level of capability among all pieces of the emergency 
management partnership nationwide, and our progress.

            DISASTER RELIEF (FEMA REPORT ON REDUCING COSTS)

    Question. During consideration of last year's VA-HUD bill, FEMA was 
directed to submit a report within 120 days proposing steps to reduce 
disaster relief costs. The draft of this report was delivered to staff 
last week. What has FEMA done to reduce disaster relief costs? How 
effective have these efforts been in reducing costs?
    Answer. As indicated in FEMA's March 13, 1997 Report to Congress 
entitled ``Improving Management Controls in the Disaster Relief Fund,'' 
major steps have been taken in the administration of disaster programs 
that have not only helped contain costs, but have also resulted in 
better and more timely service to our customers. Chief among these 
steps is the central processing of our Human Services Programs. We no 
longer establish Disaster Application Centers throughout the declared 
areas or a separate processing center for each disaster--which can be 
very costly in terms of staff and equipment. Rather, disaster victims 
are encouraged to call a toll-free number to register for assistance, 
and all applications are processed at one of three National Processing 
Service Centers. In a similar fashion, a single Disaster Finance Center 
has been established to aggregate disaster payments and reduce overhead 
costs.
    Administrative improvements have been accomplished in many other 
areas to streamline our operations and reduce costs. These include the 
establishment of a Disaster Resources Board to review and monitor 
funding for those support functions needed to support all disasters, 
and reinvigorated efforts for disaster debt collection and disaster 
close-outs.
    FEMA also has a major initiative underway to streamline the Public 
Assistance Program, and has proposed measures to reduce program costs 
by limiting eligibility for certain types of assistance. These measures 
were addressed in a separate March 13, 1997 Draft Report to Congress, 
entitled ``Reducing Disaster Relief Expenditures.'' That report has 
been transmitted to our State partners in emergency management for 
review and comment.
    However, a number of the recommendations from that report are 
already in the process of being implemented.
  --A final report with recommendations to streamline the Public 
        Assistance Program will be issued by late April, and measures 
        to streamline the program will be pilot tested by early summer.
  --A proposed rule was published in October 1996 to limit appeals from 
        three to two. FEMA is now in the process of preparing a final 
        rule to reduce the number of appeals.
  --A massive training effort was undertaken in the past year to train 
        Public Assistance Inspectors to ensure that the program is 
        implemented efficiently and consistently. Over the past two 
        years over 1,000 inspectors have been trained.
  --On February 20, 1997 FEMA issued an interim policy stating that 
        trees and shrubs would no longer be an eligible cost under the 
        Public Assistance Program. On March 10, 1997 a formal policy 
        disallowing trees and shrubs was sent to all FEMA regions and 
        to States for review and comment.
  --FEMA is in the process of preparing legislative changes that would 
        implement many of the other recommendations of the draft 
        report.
    It is difficult to calculate the cost savings of many of our 
administrative or program improvements, though we do have specific cost 
figures on some of these measures. FEMA, in a study two years ago, 
calculated that using teleregistration rather than Disaster Application 
Centers for the Human Services Programs has reduced the cost per 
application from $59 to under $14. FEMA's accelerated disaster close-
out effort has resulted in closing out 415 Human Services Programs, 
with a reconciliation of more than $1.8 billion in the Disaster Relief 
Fund. Of this amount nearly $403 million in obligation authority was 
returned to the Fund.
    Measures to streamline the Public Assistance Program, and to 
restrict types of assistance, are still in the early stages of 
development and implementation so their effectiveness has not yet been 
measured. Cost-savings could potentially be great if substantive 
measures are taken to refocus this program on essential governmental 
facilities and the protection of life and property.
    Question. Which of the options for reducing costs outlined in the 
FEMA report can realistically be implemented in the next 1-2 years?
    Answer. Those recommendations which do not require statutory change 
could be implemented in the next 1-2 years.
    Question. What is FEMA's time-line for implementing the options 
noted in the FEMA report?
    Answer. Those recommendations which can be done without statutory 
change can be implemented within the next 1-2 years. FEMA will also be 
submitting a legislative proposal by July, 1997 to implement those 
recommendations which require statutory change.
    Question. What is the status of work on clarifying the criteria for 
disaster declarations?
    Answer. In the Fall of 1996, FEMA established a Panel on Disaster 
Cost Savings to examine, among other things, the issue of declaration 
criteria. Upon analysis and consultation with our partners, we have 
concluded that the high costs in the disaster program are driven by the 
number of large major disasters and broad eligibility criteria, rather 
than the number of declarations.
    We believe that the current declaration criteria continue to be 
appropriate, and, in order to reduce costs, have placed major focus on 
streamlining activities and targeting eligibility. However, factors 
used to judge severity, magnitude and impact are being updated to 
reflect current dollars and procedures for conducting Preliminary 
Damage Assessment are being reengineered.

           CHEMICAL STOCKPILE EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS PROGRAM

    Question. FEMA and the Army have been working jointly on the 
Chemical Stockpile Emergency Preparedness Program (CSEPP). I know there 
has been some dispute over the management of the program, and the 
funding of some programs and activities that didn't necessarily fit the 
mission of the program. What is the status of FEMA's involvement with 
the CSEPP program?
    Answer. There have been issues between FEMA and the Department of 
the Army regarding the day-to-day management of CSEPP that require 
resolution. However, while we recognize that there is a perception in 
some quarters that the issues are affecting program delivery, both FEMA 
and the Army have worked very closely to ensure the uninterrupted 
delivery of program services. Given the different operating styles of 
FEMA and the Army, it is reasonable to expect periodic problems to 
arise with program delivery. As they have with previous programmatic or 
stylistic differences, both FEMA and the Army have been taking positive 
steps towards resolving these issues and believe that they will be 
resolved shortly for the maximum benefit of the program. It is 
important to note that FEMA Director James Lee Witt and Secretary of 
the Army Togo West are personally involved in resolving these issues 
expeditiously.
    Question. What are some improvements that you think both the Army 
and FEMA could make to ensure that we are getting the most bang for the 
taxpayers buck, and to make sure we are sticking to the mission of the 
program?
    Answer. With respect to program funding, of over $536 million 
requested to date by the States to support the program, only $240 
million has been provided. In many instances, this difference is the 
direct result of the Federal government's insistence that only projects 
consistent with CSEPP policy be funded. Thus, while in some instances 
States and local governments continue to make budgetary requests which 
exceed programmatic needs, FEMA is confident that strong program 
oversight has minimized the approval of these excess or extravagant 
projects.

                      NATIONAL DAM SAFETY PROGRAM

    Question. The National Dam Safety Act was signed by the President 
in October. This program to help States prevent dam failures seems like 
a prudent investment toward protecting people and property below dams, 
especially considering there are over 1,800 unsafe dams in the country. 
There are 55 high hazard dams in Maryland alone--many of which don't 
have effective emergency warning plans. The issue of effective warning 
systems was raised after the flooding at Port Deposit, Maryland last 
year. What is FEMA doing to implement the Dam Safety Act Program?
    Answer. After the National Dam Safety Act was signed into law, FEMA 
developed a work plan, which established a mechanism and process for 
implementing the new legislation. The work plan consists of nine 
sections:
  --Establish an Interagency Committee on Dam Safety (ICODS).--ICODS 
        was originally established in 1980 under Executive Order 12148 
        and operated under a Charter published in the Federal Register 
        on August 28, 1985. Now that the National Dam Safety Act has 
        codified the ICODS, the group's charter is being revised to 
        reflect its new status.
  --Develop and Complete the Implementation Plan for the Dam Safety 
        Program.--A task force, including representatives from FEMA, 
        the Departments of Agriculture, Defense and Interior, the 
        Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, and the States, has been 
        formed to accomplish this initiative. To date, the Task Force 
        has met three times and the assignments made to members have, 
        to date, progressed on schedule. The Task Force is on course 
        for completion of the implementation plan by the deadline 
        established in the National Dam Safety Act.
  --Training for State Dam Safety Officials.--An ICODS training 
        subcommittee has been revived, and members are now working on 
        developing a list of priorities for new training courses. In 
        addition, FEMA recently developed two new courses: (1) Dam 
        Safety Emergency Action Plan Development for Dam Owners; and 
        (2) Dam Safety Emergency Action Plan Exercise Development for 
        Dam Owners. If the funds that were authorized for training are 
        appropriated by the Congress, the dissemination of new training 
        opportunities will escalate.
  --Establish Goals, Objectives, Priorities, Schedules, and Regulations 
        for Implementing the National Dam Safety Program.--The Task 
        Force, in a largely parallel effort, is developing information 
        on goals, objectives, priorities and schedules necessary to 
        prepare the needed regulations. All activities are on schedule 
        at this time.
  --Provide Recommendations on Establishment of the National Dam Safety 
        Review Board.--The Act specifies the composition of this Board, 
        and the Task Force is in the process of developing 
        recommendations to present to the FEMA Director on the 
        feasibility, desirability and viability of forming this Board.
  --Develop and Implement a Program of Technical and Archival 
        Research.--This assignment is being accomplished at two levels: 
        (1) the ICODS Subcommittee on Research has been established and 
        will identify research needs both at the Federal and non-
        Federal level; and (2) the National Performance of Dams Program 
        (located at the Center on the Performance of Dams at Stanford 
        University) has been established as an outreach mechanism to 
        obtain information and data on dams.
  --Prepare a Biennial Report to Congress on the Status of the National 
        Dam Safety Program for Fiscal Year 1996-97.--FEMA has been 
        providing biennial reports to the President and Congress since 
        1980. This process will continue. The 1996-97 report will be 
        ready to transmit to Congress and others by December 31, 1997.
  --Report to Congress on the Availability of Dam Insurance.--We have 
        solicited information from the Federal Insurance Administration 
        and the Insurance Industry, and are in the process of analyzing 
        available data. This report should be ready by April 30, 1997.
  --Develop a Staffing Plan for Implementing the National Dam Safety 
        Program.--At this time, two FTE are dedicated to the Program. 
        No change in the staffing level is anticipated for fiscal year 
        1998.
    Question. I understand that one dam failure last year alone caused 
$5.5 million in damages and the death of one woman. What amount of 
disaster relief funds have been spent by FEMA as a result of dam 
failures over the past five years?
    Answer. While dam failures may have resulted from some incidents, 
they have not been the principal cause of any recent major disaster 
declarations. FEMA's charting of the causes of natural disasters 
generally reflects the weather event (hurricane, storms, tornadoes, 
etc.) which was the initial cause of the declaration.

    COORDINATION EFFORTS WITH COUNCIL ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY (CEQ)

    Question. I know that FEMA works in partnership with other 
agencies. Working in partnerships with other agencies can help produce 
a more effective and efficient government approach to disaster 
readiness, response, recovery, and mitigation. What is FEMA doing to 
coordinate with the Council on Environmental Quality (CEQ) to make sure 
that environmental mandates don't impede relief efforts?
    Answer. FEMA has historically coordinated with CEQ as we developed 
improved environmental compliance methodologies or as complex and 
controversial issues have arisen. Of special note is the fact that CEQ 
recently hired an individual to act as primary point of contact with 
FEMA. This provides a mechanism to better interact with CEQ as we 
continue to improve the process to evaluate and minimize environmental 
impacts of our activities while ensuring environmental mandates do not 
impede relief efforts.
    FEMA, in coordination with CEQ, has undertaken several significant 
initiatives recently which have helped reduce potential impediments of 
environmental compliance. The most significant initiatives include:
  --FEMA has revised its environmental regulations at 44 CFR adding to 
        its list of Categorical Exclusions activities requiring minimal 
        environmental review and documentation. This has reduced 
        environmental review requirements by as much as 50 per cent for 
        some Agency programs.
  --FEMA has provided a National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) 
        training course to over 300 FEMA and State Emergency Management 
        staff Nationwide to enhance the capabilities of individuals 
        involved in environmental review. This has served to provide 
        the State Agencies who administer many of FEMA's programs with 
        the ability to identify and resolve environmental issues early 
        in the relief effort or project development phase.
  --FEMA has hired seven Regional Environmental Officers to coordinate 
        environmental issues in the field. This is a significant step 
        in the process of decentralization of environmental review that 
        will allow for improved coordination between FEMA, other 
        federal agencies, and State and local officials on 
        environmental issues related to disaster relief efforts.
    Question. I suggested to CEQ Chairman Katie McGinty at their 
hearing in February that FEMA, CEQ and other relevant agencies develop 
SWAT teams that can rapidly determine emergency provisions in 
environmental regulations so that relief efforts won't be unduly 
delayed while FEMA is trying to save lives. What can you commit FEMA to 
doing regarding this coordination of SWAT teams? What can FEMA do to 
involve CEQ in its simulation maneuvers?
    Answer. It is very important to note that provisions within the 
Stafford Act and FEMA's regulations are in place to ensure that 
environmental requirements will never delay FEMA's immediate efforts to 
save life or property. The issue of streamlining environmental review 
requirements by utilizing emergency provisions and through coordination 
with other Federal agencies is an issue which is more relevant in FEMA 
undertakings for which there is sufficient time to plan and evaluate an 
action.
    One of the primary responsibilities of the recently created 
position of Regional Environmental Officer is to coordinate 
environmental issues immediately following a disaster event. This 
includes being located at the Disaster Field Office to coordinate with 
relevant agencies such as the Environmental Protection Agency, the Army 
Corps of Engineers, and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service in order to 
streamline implementation of the requirements of the environmental laws 
that these agencies administer. FEMA will continue to further define 
the roles of the Regional Environmental Officers and work with CEQ to 
ensure coordination of relevant agencies, an approach which is 
consistent with the ``SWAT'' team concept.

                          SUBCOMMITTEE RECESS

    Senator Bond. The subcommittee stands in recess until April 
8, at 9:30 a.m., when we will take testimony from the EPA.
    [Whereupon, at 10:58 a.m., Tuesday, March 18, the 
subcommittee was recessed, to reconvene at 9:30 a.m., Tuesday, 
April 8.]


 DEPARTMENTS OF VETERANS AFFAIRS AND HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT AND 
        INDEPENDENT AGENCIES APPROPRIATIONS FOR FISCAL YEAR 1998

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                         TUESDAY, APRIL 8, 1997

                                       U.S. Senate,
           Subcommittee of the Committee on Appropriations,
                                                    Washington, DC.
    The subcommittee met at 9:34 a.m., in room SD-138, Dirksen 
Senate Office Building, Hon. Christopher S. Bond (chairman) 
presiding.
    Present: Senators Bond, Burns, Shelby, Craig, Mikulski, 
Leahy, Lautenberg, and Boxer.

                    ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY

STATEMENT OF CAROL M. BROWNER, ADMINISTRATOR
ACCOMPANIED BY:
        FRED HANSEN, DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR
        SALLYANNE HARPER, ACTING CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER
        AL PESACHOWITZ, ASSISTANT ADMINISTRATOR, OFFICE OF 
            ADMINISTRATION AND RESOURCES MANAGEMENT
        JONATHAN Z. CANNON, GENERAL COUNSEL
        DAVID GARDINER, ASSISTANT ADMINISTRATOR, OFFICE OF POLICY, 
            PLANNING AND EVALUATION
        ROBERT PERCIASEPE, ASSISTANT ADMINISTRATOR, OFFICE OF WATER
        TIMOTHY FIELDS, ACTING DEPUTY ASSISTANT ADMINISTRATOR, OFFICE 
            OF SOLID WASTE AND EMERGENCY RESPONSE
        MARY NICHOLS, ASSISTANT ADMINISTRATOR, OFFICE OF AIR AND 
            RADIATION
        STEVE HERMAN, ASSISTANT ADMINISTRATOR, OFFICE OF ENFORCEMENT 
            AND COMPLIANCE ASSURANCE
        LYNN R. GOLDMAN, ASSISTANT ADMINISTRATOR, OFFICE OF PREVENTION, 
            PESTICIDES AND TOXIC SUBSTANCES
        ROBERT J. HUGGETT, ASSISTANT ADMINISTRATOR, OFFICE OF RESEARCH 
            AND DEVELOPMENT
        WILLIAM A. NITZE, ASSISTANT ADMINISTRATOR, OFFICE OF 
            INTERNATIONAL ACTIVITIES
        NIKKI L. TINSLEY, ACTING INSPECTOR GENERAL
        JULIE ANDERSON, ACTING ASSOCIATE ADMINISTRATOR, OFFICE OF 
            CONGRESSIONAL AND LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS
        MARY LOUISE UHLIG, ACTING ASSOCIATE ADMINISTRATOR, OFFICE OF 
            REGIONAL OPERATIONS AND STATE/LOCAL RELATIONS
        PHILIP LANGRIGAN, EPA CONSULTANT, CHILDREN'S OFFICE
        J. CHARLES FOX, ASSOCIATE ADMINISTRATOR, OFFICE OF REINVENTION
        W. MICHAEL MC CABE, REGIONAL ADMINISTRATOR, EPA REGION, III
        KATHRYN S. SCHMOLL, COMPTROLLER
        ELIZABETH CRAIG, DIRECTOR, BUDGET DIVISION

                OPENING STATEMENT OF CHRISTOPHER S. BOND

    Senator Bond. Good morning. The subcommittee will come to 
order.
    We meet this morning to take testimony from the 
Environmental Protection Agency on its fiscal year 1998 budget 
request. The request totals $7.6 billion, an increase of $845 
million, or 12 percent over the current budget. Today, we are 
pleased to welcome EPA Administrator Carol Browner, Deputy 
Administrator Fred Hansen, and other EPA officials.
    While most agencies in the VA-HUD portfolio have budget 
requests which would maintain current services at best, EPA 
would enjoy increases in virtually every programmatic area 
under the President's proposal with the exception of clean 
water State revolving funds. Not surprisingly, I do not believe 
EPA's proposal is realistic in the budget environment in which 
we are operating.
    Overall spending available to this subcommittee for 
Veterans Affairs and Housing and Urban Development, EPA, NASA, 
and other areas may not be significantly more than a freeze at 
the current year's level. Yet to maintain current health care 
service for veterans, at last $500 million above last year's 
level would be needed. About $5.6 billion would be needed to 
maintain existing low-income housing contracts scheduled to 
expire next year, and a total of $5 billion will be needed to 
meet FEMA disaster assistance requirements this year and next 
year. Clearly, we have to be looking closely at all aspects of 
EPA's budget requests to ensure that dollars are targeted to 
those areas offering the largest opportunity for risk 
reduction.
    Quite frankly, EPA's budget proposal is disappointing. Last 
year, Deputy Administrator Hansen testified that EPA's fiscal 
year 1998 budget process would be based on a new system, 
bringing together risk-based planning, budgeting, and 
accountability. But there is no evidence that such a process 
was employed to develop the budget for the coming year. It 
seems to me that no hard choices were made to discontinue lower 
priority programs or to reduce costs through program 
efficiencies.
    Despite internal EPA analyses dating back to 1987 that 
found that Superfund sites rank relatively low in risk compared 
to such problems as air pollution and pesticide residue on 
foods, EPA's budget proposes a 50-percent increase, $700 
million for the Superfund program. The proposal seems based 
entirely on a campaign commitment made by the President in 
Kalamazoo, MI, to double the pace of cleanups. If EPA were 
truly applying a relative risk methodology to its budget 
process, I am convinced this program would not merit a 50-
percent increase.
    While the Superfund budget would increase dramatically, the 
clean water State revolving fund, a program which works well 
and for which tens of billions of dollars are needed, would be 
cut by $275 million. Rumor has it that EPA offered up this 
program to be cut as an offset to the Superfund increase. If 
additional funds are to be found within our allocation, my 
highest priority within EPA will be to restore the cut to the 
clean water SRF program.
    Now, the General Accounting Office has done a little study 
in the high-risk series. It has found that Superfund is 1 of 25 
Government programs which is high risk, subject to fraud, 
waste, abuse, and mismanagement. It is not just the GAO. This 
program has been criticized by many, many in this room, I dare 
say, over the years because it lines the pockets of lawyers 
while sites get studied and studied and studied. Legislative 
reforms have been blocked. But until legislative reforms are 
enacted, I cannot support any increase in this program. If we 
get this program reformed so it cleans up sites, call me 
immediately. I can be reached day or night when a proposal to 
reform Superfund is adopted.
    EPA's fiscal year 1997 budget showed outyear budget 
projections of $1.4 billion through the year 2000 for the 
Superfund program. Yet now we are told $2.1 billion is 
imperative for each of the next 2 years. Indeed, top officials 
at EPA have been quoted in the press warning about the dire 
consequences of not fully funding the President's request for a 
50-percent increase. Why all of a sudden this program became 
EPA's highest priority has not been fully explained. How EPA 
would manage to spend prudently 50 percent more in the program 
has not been explained. Which specific sites will be funded, at 
what cost and when has not been explained. It appears that the 
methodology used to support the Superfund request is flawed, 
and uses inflated cost assumptions, according to the 
Congressional Budget Office.
    Finally, I note that skepticism abounds over the Superfund 
proposal. Senator Chafee, chairman of the authorizing 
committee, has stated:

    That Superfund remains a fundamentally flawed program. 
Cleanups still take too long, many cleanups are still too 
costly, and there is still too much litigation. It would be 
unwise and irresponsible for Congress to authorize a 
significant increase in funding for this program until we 
complete the task of reauthorization and can be sure that the 
money will be used to accelerate the pace of cleanup and 
protect our citizens.

    And the Association of State and Territorial Solid Waste 
Management Officials, in testimony, states:

    We do not know whether there is enough pending work for the 
full $700 million in additional funds requested in fiscal year 
1998, nor that the infrastructure exists to spend it 
effectively.

    Other items in EPA's budget request rekindle debates of the 
past. For example, $149 million is requested for the climate 
change action plan, a 73-percent increase over current spending 
even while the global environment management initiative 
recently reported that voluntary programs are not affected. In 
its recent report, GMI stated programs which depend for their 
success on cooperation, voluntariness, and trust still do not 
fare well. To date, the Green Lights Program, which would enjoy 
the largest proportion of the requested increase, has achieved 
a relatively small amount of greenhouse gas reductions and 
participants have not upgraded as much floor space as 
anticipated.
    Also, an earmark of $100 million is requested for Boston 
Harbor, more than double what was approved in the VA-HUD bill 
last year. While the clean water State revolving funds which go 
to every State on a fair share basis would be cut by $275 
million. Several new initiatives have been proposed with scant 
detail, including an urban livability initiative and a new 
right to know initiative announced by the President in 
Kalamazoo.
    Outside of the budget proposal, we have other concerns. 
While this committee has strongly supported efforts to provide 
more flexibility and reduce oversight on the States, and the 
National Academy of Public Administration recommended 2 years 
ago, recent reports raise concerns about EPA's relationship 
with the States. While EPA promised there would be a new 
partnership, it appears that the marriage is on the rocks. Ms. 
Browner, the Environmental Council of States told you after 
your interview with the New York Times in December, in which 
you criticized State enforcement efforts:

    States are very concerned about what appears to be a 
retreat on your part from the partnership relationship which 
has been carefully, and in some instances painfully built over 
the past 4 years. State commissioners are disappointed to be 
the objects of your apparent lack of trust.

    In addition, there are significant problems with EPA's so-
called reinvention efforts. Ms. Browner, in our hearings 2 
years ago you told Senator Mikulski:

    We would like nothing better than to see an integration of 
our underlying statutes. I believe we can achieve almost exact 
same results through programs such as the common sense 
initiative. We want to focus our energy on those kind of 
concrete on-the-ground changes. Our reinvestment effort CSL 
project XL will in the end achieve as important results as the 
kind of legislation which you speak of.

    Unfortunately, it appears that project XL and the common 
sense initiative hardly have lived up to the promises made. 
Earlier this year the petroleum industry withdrew from the 
common sense initiative, and the auto industry apparently said 
it would remain a part of CSI until work it has done is 
completed. CSI participants have told us that little has been 
accomplished in the way of meaningful reforms, and too much 
emphasis has been placed on reaching absolute consensus.
    As to project XL, which has been called the centerpiece of 
the administration efforts to reinvent environmental 
regulations, 2 years ago EPA claimed it would be launching 50 
initiatives in 1995. Yet today there have been only three 
project approvals. Bill Sugar, senior director of environmental 
affairs for Anheuser Busch in St. Louis, one of the eight pilot 
XL projects selected in November 1995, has said we could not 
seem to get the out of the box thinking we wanted to get out of 
them.
    EPA recently announced the creation of an Office of 
Reinvention. We look forward to hearing about how this new 
office will reinvigorate these initiatives and get them on the 
track. I would note that the enterprise for the environment 
project under Bill Ruckelshaus' stewardship, is nearing 
completion. EPA has been an active participant in that project, 
and I particularly commend Fred Hansen for the many hours he 
has devoted to it. E4E is intended to offer recommendations for 
an improved environmental management system, including 
legislative recommendations. We are anxiously awaiting the 
final report and recommendations of E4E, and hope to see 
positive bipartisan recommendations to address some of the 
current problems.
    In closing, it is my hope that EPA's appropriation can be 
resolved in an expeditious nonpartisan manner, and that we can 
work together to address some of the problems we are seeing and 
achieve the most effective allocation of resources. We look 
forward to your testimony, and now it is my pleasure to turn to 
my ranking member, Senator Mikulski.

                    STATEMENT OF BARBARA A. MIKULSKI

    Senator Mikulski. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, and I 
want to welcome Administrator Browner here today, and her team. 
I note that this is Ms. Browner's fifth appearance before this 
subcommittee, and I want to take this opportunity to thank her 
for her efforts and her leadership over the last 5 years.
    I also note that Ms. Browner's tenure has not been 
uneventful. Budget cuts and Government shutdowns have not made 
it easy to do her job or easy for the people who work at EPA to 
do their job. In addition, often a climate of hostility toward 
environmental protection in the Congress as a whole, 
particularly the authorizing committees, has not necessarily 
been the most constructive climate to move our agenda. I 
believe that EPA has survived these challenges, and has taken 
many initiatives to make the long-term changes that are 
necessary to keep up with a changing world.
    I would agree that we need to do more in better management 
and more in better use of technology. I happen to believe that 
environmental protection goes hand in hand with economic growth 
and job creation. Protecting our environment does create jobs, 
and not destroy them. New economic opportunities and markets 
flow from environmental protection services and technology 
which hopefully generate jobs in our own country, and even give 
us an opportunity for global exports with both exporting our 
knowledge, our services, and our technology, an area I would 
like to pursue in our questions.
    Also, Maryland has benefited from the Environmental 
Protection Agency in the bipartisan support for the Chesapeake 
Bay, going back to Richard Nixon, to Senator Mathias, who 
really is the father of the Bay Program, until now. Cleaning up 
the Bay is not only good environment, but it is sure very good 
for Maryland economy. Watermen, commercial fishermen, economic 
development, and a host of other businesses depend upon a clean 
bay to earn a living. The Chesapeake Bay Program is an 
investment in cleaner environment and a healthier economy.
    I also want to talk about two other aspects in our 
questioning that I think will generate jobs, and then, also, 
another to save lives. Administrator Browner, I look forward to 
hearing from you more on the brownfields initiative. The 
brownfields legislation was recently passed by my own Maryland 
General Assembly. We are now looking forward to how brownfields 
could be an absolute tool to helping clean up some of the toxic 
areas around Baltimore that would then leave us new land, and, 
therefore, new opportunity in the very empowerment zone to 
attract jobs.
    We also note the President's child's health initiative, 
which though might not generate jobs, sure saves lives. We note 
again in my own home State of Maryland the rise in lung and 
respiratory illness gives me enormous pause, particularly the 
rise if asthma among children and the onslaught of adult asthma 
among adults is really of concern. This does not seem to have a 
genetic base, but it certainly does seem to have an 
environmental base. And for the little kids in Baltimore that 
we are trying to get in school and having them read by the time 
they are in the third grade, we want to make sure that this is 
an initiative that we want to hear more about, and is not just 
a photo op, just not a press release, and it is not a throw-a-
line at press conference, but a real initiative.
    I must say that in the budget, though, I am deeply 
concerned about the cut in the State water revolving fund. This 
has been a very important tool when I was both the chairman and 
now as ranking. We get more requests for special projects from 
our colleagues in the Senate around the need to have more water 
infrastructure, and as you know, Ms. Browner, infrastructure in 
our cities is really aging.
    So we look forward to working with you. We want to look at 
how we can reduce costs, and we also want to hear more about 
project XL, the commonsense initiative, and how you have 
continued to implement the NAPA project.
    So I welcome you, fellow or sister resident from downtown 
Tacoma Park, one of the garden spots in Maryland, and look 
forward to your testimony.
    Senator Bond. Thank you very much, Senator Mikulski.
    Senator Burns.

                       STATEMENT OF CONRAD BURNS

    Senator Burns. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I do not 
have much of a statement. It would not make any difference 
anyway. There are a couple of areas that I cannot get my hands 
on. I got in late last night, and I cannot get my hands on 
them, but I am going to look at them very shortly. We had a 
list of all this money that goes to foreign countries to do 
something that comes out of the EPA. I do not know what it 
does, but I know there is a chunk of it. I would rather spend 
it in this country, to be honest with you.
    I am sensitive to ground water. I want to give you a little 
figure here, and I will tell you why. We in the West get very 
sensitive about our water. I got a daughter that graduates 
medical school in June. Her advice to me right now is very 
economical; however, she says after June 7 it goes up sharply. 
But she said, you know, the increase in the average life span 
of an American has gone up rather sharply since World War II. 
The medical profession cannot take but maybe 5 or 10 percent 
credit for that advance. The rest of it goes as how we handle 
our water, because more life-shortening diseases are waterborne 
than any other disease. So we are sensitive to that, and I want 
to look at it.
    You have also requested 100 more people in each one of your 
regions for EPA people, I think, and this is what I read in a 
newspaper, I think, the Casper Star. Well, anyway, it is always 
a big surprise, but the President has got it in his budget, and 
that should be you, I would imagine. I would want to change the 
emphasis of enforcement to people who help in compliance rather 
than a hammer. I want to carrot people, I do not want hammer 
people. And if I heard anything on small business hearings, and 
we had two of them in Montana and Wyoming over this last break, 
it is that.
    There are people who are willing to comply, but will not 
say much to anybody for the simple reason the way they have 
been treated in the past, and we have got to turn that around 
some way or another, and I do not know how we do it, but that 
is where I am going to place my emphasis, and I will get a hold 
of this other stuff later on.
    Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman
    Senator Bond. Thank you, Senator Burns.
    Senator Lautenberg.

                    STATEMENT OF FRANK R. LAUTENBERG

    Senator Lautenberg. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am pleased 
to see Administrator Browner here to talk about the EPA budget 
for 1998. I believe that the President's budget places the 
proper priority on protecting the environment by increasing 
funds for several Environmental Protection Agency programs. It 
also follows through on his pledge to offer a balanced budget 
while advancing the goals that Americans share in continuing 
programs to protect our Nation's environment.
    In poll after poll you will see that people will say I am 
willing to pay more if it goes to environmental cleanup. I want 
to know that it goes directly there, but they are willing to do 
it because that is the one legacy that all of us agree--that we 
ought to be giving our children a better environment in future 
generations.
    I am particularly impressed by the fact that the 
President's budget recognizes the importance of speeding the 
cleanup of our Nation's most hazardous wastesites. After 16 
years, the Superfund Program is now primarily in the 
construction rather than the study phase, and since 
construction is generally more expensive than studies, the need 
for funding is growing. Level Superfund spending would mean 
slower cleanups and a hampered ability to protect our 
neighborhoods and ground water from hazardous waste.
    The President's budget provides an additional $700 million 
for Superfund. It is a 50-percent increase, bring the total 
Superfund spending to over $2 billion. This increased spending 
is the first phase of funding that will allow an additional 250 
Superfund sites to be cleaned up by the year 2000. We will 
double the pace of that cleanup. The fact that the President's 
budget seeks to spend more on Superfund is a good sign. It 
means that we now have a handle on our hazardous waste 
problems, and that we are on the verge of making significant 
progress in expediting the cleaning of hazardous wastesites.
    Some have said that providing additional money to Superfund 
would simply be throwing more money at the problem. Well, in 
1993, I was one of the leading critics who claimed that 
Superfund was severely broken and needed fixing. In fact, in 
his first inaugural address President Clinton committed to 
changing Superfund so that money would go toward cleanup of 
hazardous wastes instead of paying lawyers. Since that time, I 
believe the administration's reform efforts have moved 
Superfund much closer to the goals of faster, fairer, and more 
efficient cleanups.
    It bears noting that these reforms do not reflect only the 
goals of the present administration; rather, Ms. Browner's 
administrative reform efforts were based on studies and task 
force recommendations developed under Administrator Bill Riley, 
a Bush appointee. And as a result of their reform efforts, 
Superfund is no longer in need of drastic overhaul.
    At the same time, I am in negotiation with the 
administration and Senators Baucus, Smith, and Chafee on 
improving Superfund, and I am confident that we can reach 
agreement on the issues that separate us and end up with a bill 
that will meet the goals of faster, fairer, more efficient 
cleanups, and we will receive the support of both parties, the 
various stakeholders, and the administration.
    Whether we fail or not in this ambitious goal, whether it 
takes the Congress one session or two, the President's budget 
recognizes a necessary and proper increase in EPA's budget so 
that we can speed the cleanup of our Nation's most hazardous 
wastesites. Seventy-five percent of the sites have proven 
health impacts, and holding funding hostage while we in 
Washington referee fights between the insurance industry and 
polluters and States and communities is not a position that I 
find appealing.
    I want to again thank Administrator Browner for her hard 
work, her leadership, and I look forward to hearing her 
testimony and her continued service.
    Senator Bond. Thank you, Senator Lautenberg.
    Senator Shelby.

                     STATEMENT OF RICHARD C. SHELBY

    Senator Shelby. I have just got a few remarks.
    Ms. Browner, welcome again to the committee.
    I believe overall that EPA has changed a lot of things for 
the better in this country: clean air, water, you name it, we 
can go on and on. But I want to associate myself with the 
remarks of Senator Burns that I believe your administration, if 
it were guided from the top down, could do a lot of things 
maybe with a velvet glove, a softer glove, and get notice to a 
lot of people that they have got to comply rather than a 
vicious attack on them. I think it would help the Agency and 
the image of the Agency.
    Having said that, I want to support you where I can. But I 
do not believe that everything is money. A lot of it is 
management. A lot of it is administration. I know it takes some 
money, but we are in some tight money situations up here. The 
chairman alluded to that earlier in his opening statement. But 
all of us are having to do basically more with less money, and 
I think EPA might have to do that.
    But I commend you for a lot of good things that I believe 
you are doing. I believe you are committed to the health, clean 
air, and water for people, and water is very, very important. 
Air is very, very important. You do not have to have asthma to 
know that. We all know it. But people with asthma or touches of 
it realize it more than some of us. But think about how you can 
do more with less, how you can be a top-flight administrator 
with less dollars, with fewer dollars, and I think you would 
hit it off not only here but with the American people, because 
overall your purpose is good.
    Thank you.
    Senator Bond. Thank you very much, Senator Shelby.
    Now, Administrator Browner, you have heard all of our 
views. We are ready to hear your testimony.

                     STATEMENT OF CAROL M. BROWNER

    Ms. Browner. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and members of the 
subcommittee, for this opportunity to testify before you on the 
1998 budget request for the Environmental Protection Agency. I 
am proud to be joined by colleagues at the Agency, including 
the new Associate Administrator for Reinvention, Chuck Fox, and 
Dr. Phil Langrigan, who has joined us in our work to create an 
Office of Children's Health.
    As we approach the 21st century, EPA faces many stiff 
challenges in our mission to the public health and the 
environment, including the air, the water, the land, the food 
they eat. We believe that Americans want us to meet these 
challenges, that they want clean, healthy air to breathe, they 
want to know their tap water is safe to drink, and that the 
food they buy is safe to eat. They want us to rid the Nation of 
its toxic waste dumps and to prevent the further pollution of 
America's neighborhoods.
    Americans want their children protected from environmental 
hazards. They want to pass on to their children a safe and 
healthy environment. And they have come to expect that we can 
do the job of protecting their health, their environment, and 
provide for the Nation's economic growth and security. We 
firmly believe, as I think all here believe, that environmental 
protection goes hand in hand with economic progress, that a 
healthy environment is, in fact, vital to the long-term 
economic success of the Nation, and vice versa. Indeed, this 
has been our history.
    EPA celebrates its 27th anniversary this year. Over the 
past 27 years, we have made tremendous strides in cleaning up 
our environment. While we have taken these efforts to reduce 
pollution, America's gross domestic product has nearly doubled. 
Over the past 4 years in particular, President Clinton has 
shown that it is possible to bring down the deficit, restore 
the Nation's economic health, and at the same time strengthen 
protection of public health and the environment.
    The budget request we make today totaling $7.6 billion 
expands on that commitment and that promise. It calls for an 
increase of nearly $850 million over this year's appropriated 
levels, most of which would be used to fund the President's 
call to action to clean up the worst environmental problems 
millions of Americans face in their own community. We are 
talking about doubling our record pace of cleanups at the 
Nation's worst toxic wastesites, and ridding our country of 500 
more Superfund sites by the end of the year 2000. We want to 
expand on our brownfields initiative, so that we can help the 
communities across the country clean up literally thousands of 
old, abandoned industrial sites and return them to productive 
use.
    Additionally, this budget request increases funding for 
expansion of the public's right-to-know about toxic pollution 
in their neighborhoods, without imposing any new reporting 
requirements on anyone. It also means tougher, more aggressive 
criminal enforcement against those who actually pollute our 
air, our water, and our land.

                            NEW LEGISLATION

    On another front, this requested increase enables EPA to do 
its part to implement two major new environmental laws passed 
by Congress last year. Both enjoyed broad bipartisan support: 
The Safe Drinking Water Act amendments of 1996 and the new Food 
Quality Protection Act, are two shining examples of how 
Congress and the administration can work together to protect 
the public health and our environment.
    Under the Safe Drinking Water Act amendments, EPA will 
undertake a variety of new efforts to improve the way we set 
and enforce drinking water standards, protect drinking water 
supplies, help communities upgrade their facilities, and 
provide timely and important information to consumers. The new 
law is a model for regulatory reform. It gives EPA flexibility 
to act on contaminants of greatest risk, and to analyze cost 
and benefits while keeping the public health as the paramount 
concern.
    Under the Food Quality Protection Act, EPA will be adding a 
new level of protection from harmful pesticides in our food. 
The budget includes funds to set a single health-based child-
first standard for pesticides and all foods.

                      CHILDREN AS A HIGH PRIORITY

    In addition to funding these new, high-priority items, the 
EPA budget request for 1998 supports a greater overall emphasis 
on protecting children. Since the President came to office we 
have tried to put children at the focal point of our mission, 
because they are among the most vulnerable to environmental 
threats. Their bodies, their brains, are still developing. 
Relative to their body weight they consume more of certain 
types of foods and fluids, and breathe more air than adults. 
When we set public health and environmental standards, we will 
do so after taking into account the unique vulnerabilities of 
our children.
    We believe that by doing all of this we will be ensuring 
that everyone is protected. All of these initiatives, Mr. 
Chairman, will be enhanced by our efforts to continue 
reinventing the way EPA works. We are determined to carry out 
our action plan in the most commonsense, cost-effective ways. 
We are resolved to strengthening our partnerships with States 
and tribes, and to providing them more flexibility in how they 
reach the environmental goals we all share.
    We intend to improve our success at reducing redtape, 
adopting alternative strategies so long as they produce 
superior environmental results.
    In closing, Mr. Chairman, this budget will take us further 
down the road toward our goal of a cleaner, safer, and 
healthier environment. It is a budget that says to our citizens 
we can put our fiscal house in order without sacrificing our 
basic values; we can protect both the health of our economy, 
the health of our children; we can have both economic progress 
and environmental protection that is second to none.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I am happy to answer any of 
your questions.
    [The statements follow:]

                 Prepared Statement of Carol M. Browner

    Mr. Chairman, I appreciate the opportunity to be here before you 
and the Members of your Subcommittee to present the President's 1998 
Budget Request for the U. S. Environmental Protection Agency. This 
request is $7.6 billion and 18,283 FTE's. President Clinton showed 
during his first term that it is possible to reduce the deficit, 
restore the nation's economic health, and protect public health and the 
environment, and he believes in continuing on that course. The 
President and I believe strongly that a healthy environment and a 
strong economy go hand in hand.
    This budget focuses on the environmental challenges of the 21st 
Century by strategically expanding EPA's resources for protecting the 
air we breathe, the water we drink, and the land on which we live. By 
protecting the environment we protect the health of millions of 
Americans, particularly our children, who are often the most vulnerable 
to environmental health risks. Everything we do to clean our air, water 
and soil, and to make the environment more healthy, we do for them.
    The President is requesting an increase for EPA of nearly $850 
million over this year's appropriated levels. When you add the 
additional resources that our agency will be redirecting from other 
areas, this budget contains a total of more than $900 million in new, 
high priority investments for environmental protection and public 
health.
    Last August, the President presented America with a ``call to 
action'' to deal with the most pressing environmental problems faced by 
our nation's communities. Of this year's budget increase, $736 million 
will fund these high priority initiatives, including an acceleration of 
Superfund cleanups, a revitalization of communities through Brownfields 
cleanups, a commitment to expand the public's access to information 
about toxic pollution in their neighborhoods, and a strengthening of 
criminal enforcement against polluters.
    This budget proposes $2.1 billion for Superfund, including a $650 
million increase over 1997 to meet the President's pledge to nearly 
double the pace of toxic waste cleanups. This increase is the first of 
two installments of the $1.3 billion planned to accomplish this goal, 
which will result in the cleanup of another 500 sites by the end of the 
year 2000. Twenty-seven million Americans live near a Superfund site. A 
commitment to clean up these sites means that millions of Americans who 
live near the nation's worst toxic waste sites will start off their 
21st Century in healthier neighborhoods free of toxic impacts. Cleaning 
up toxic waste sites will not only ensure the health of our citizens, 
but will generate jobs and economic development through returning 
damaged areas of our country to productive use.
    This budget also proposes a major expansion of the Brownfields 
initiative with a $50 million increase to the budget, as part of a 
program to ensure cleanup of approximately 5,000 sites by the year 
2000. Restoring these areas through a partnership with communities and 
the Department of Housing and Urban Development will result in economic 
revitalization for communities throughout the country, where scores of 
abandoned commercial properties will be re-developed and put back into 
commercial use.
    Americans have a right to information about toxic pollution in 
their neighborhoods. This budget proposes an additional $35 million for 
an initiative to expand the information available to people about toxic 
threats to their families--without imposing more reporting requirements 
on anyone. Informed, involved citizens will always make far better 
decisions than some distant bureaucracy. Information on toxics will be 
available to American citizens through a comprehensive monitoring 
system with computer links to schools, libraries, and home computers.
    The President has also made a commitment to a more aggressive 
criminal enforcement effort against those who pollute our air, our 
water, and our land. This budget requests a modest funding increase to 
enhance the training available for state, local, and tribal officials 
who work at the grassroots of environmental law enforcement.
    On another front, this budget contains a $36 million increase to 
enable EPA to implement two major new environmental laws passed by 
Congress last year: the Safe Drinking Water Act Amendments and the new 
Food Quality Protection Act. Those bipartisan legislative successes 
show how the Congress and the Administration can work together to serve 
the American people by enhancing the safety of the water we drink and 
the food we eat.
    Under the Safe Drinking Water Act Amendments, EPA will undertake a 
variety of new efforts to improve the way we set and enforce drinking 
water standards, protect drinking water supplies, help communities 
upgrade their facilities, and provide timely and important information 
to consumers. The new law is a model for regulatory reform. It gives 
the EPA flexibility to act on contaminants of greatest risk and to 
analyze costs and benefits, while keeping the public health as the 
paramount concern.
    Under the Food Quality Protection Act, EPA will be adding a new 
level of protection from harmful pesticides in our food. The budget 
includes funds to set a single, health-based, children-first standard 
for pesticides in all foods, along with the resources necessary to re-
evaluate some 9,000 different pesticides to assure safety and to 
provide better information to the public. By carrying out this act, we 
will help families to have the safest possible food on the dinner 
table.
    In addition to our commitment to helping implement this new 
legislation, the President's budget supports the broad goals of 
protecting children from environmental health threats, revitalizing the 
environmental and economic health of cities, and strengthening 
partnerships with state, local and tribal governments.
    Because children may face significant, long-term, and unique 
threats from environmental toxics, we are taking a comprehensive 
approach to providing children with the strongest possible health 
protection. Children are more at risk from toxics because their systems 
are still developing. Relative to their body weight, children consume 
more of certain types of food and fluids and breathe more air than 
adults. We are addressing these concerns in programs across the Agency 
with an initiative called ``Assessing Health Risks to Children.'' This 
budget dedicates $15.5 million to this initiative. Through focusing 
activities such as standards-setting and scientific research on 
children, we will invest in the health of those Americans who will live 
most of their lives in the next century.
    This budget recognizes that states and tribes play a central role 
in protecting the environment. To strengthen our partnership with them, 
the President requests an increase in the State and Tribal Assistance 
Grants account from $674 million to $715 million. Because tribes face 
some of the greatest environmental challenges today, this increase 
includes $31 million in additional funds to tribes.
    The Administration recognizes the unique circumstances facing 
states and tribes when it comes to environmental protection. Last year, 
Congress enacted the President's proposal for EPA's Performance 
Partnership Grants, which allows states and tribes to combine several 
categorical grants into a single multi-media grant. These grants give 
states and tribes more flexibility to reach environmental goals, and 
they allow less-extensive EPA oversight for States that show strong 
performance. Last year, 20 states took advantage of the flexibility you 
provided in our fiscal year 1996 appropriation. In 1997, we expect at 
least 13 more to use this same flexibility. As more states recognize 
the benefits of these grants, we expect most, if not all, of them to 
participate in this program. We are confident that Performance 
Partnership Grants will continue to reap environmental benefits while 
they streamline grant administration and strengthen our partnerships 
with states and tribes.
    An important part of our partnerships with local governments 
involves helping communities upgrade their drinking water 
infrastructure. This budget proposes $725 million in capitalization 
grants for the new Drinking Water State Revolving Funds, which make 
low-interest loans to municipalities to help them meet the requirements 
of the new Safe Drinking Water Act Amendments. Combined with last 
year's levels, the states will ultimately receive $2 billion to help 
provide all Americans with safe, clean drinking water.
    Through specific initiatives such as the Project XL and the Common 
Sense Initiative, we are reinventing the way EPA does business. Forging 
productive relationships with industry, environmental groups, and 
concerned citizens is a common thread through all that we do at EPA. In 
Project XL, industries are able to adopt alternative strategies to 
current regulations, so long as they produce superior environmental 
results. Industry has responded positively to this initiative. One 
example is Intel's new computer chip manufacturing plant in Arizona. An 
agreement with EPA provides for Intel to reduce overall pollution at 
the plant, as well as inform and involve local residents on 
environmental matters through frequent and regular public meetings. In 
return, Intel gains regulatory flexibility to continue to adapt its 
operations quickly and efficiently in a competitive and rapidly 
changing industry.
    The Common Sense Initiative (CSI) is another commitment to build 
effective partnerships. Through this initiative, EPA is working with a 
variety of stakeholders who have voluntarily come together to explore 
comprehensive environmental strategies for entire industries. The 
future of environmental protection rests on cooperative relationships 
among all stakeholders. CSI can demonstrate how interested sectors can 
work together for the dual goals of environmental protection and 
economic productivity.
    Agency-wide, our reinvention efforts have been bolstered by the 
Government Performance and Results Act (GPRA). Our new processes will 
link planning, budgeting, and accountability to improve EPA's ability 
to focus on targeted environmental results. In 1996 EPA was a major 
player in efforts across the Federal Government to pilot GPRA planning 
activities. We had six of the roughly 70 government-wide accountability 
pilots. In 1997 we have put in place nearly 50 internal Agency pilots 
to help strengthen our ability to manage for results. We believe GPRA 
is a positive tool that can help us reach our most important goal: 
providing the highest level of environmental protection for our 
ultimate customer--the American people.
    Let me conclude by saying that since the start of this 
Administration, we have tried to put children at the focal point of 
EPA's mission. We know that by protecting the most vulnerable among us, 
we will be protecting everyone. This is a budget for America's 
children--and for a cleaner, safer and more healthy environment. It is 
a budget that says to America: ``We can put our fiscal house in order 
without sacrificing our basic values. We can protect both the health of 
our economy and the health of our children.'' The President has made a 
commitment to both goals. With this budget we can carry that commitment 
into the next century.
    I will be happy to answer any questions you have at this time.
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   Prepared Statement of Peter F. Guerrero, Director, Environmental 
   Protection Issues, Resources, Community, and Economic Development 
                  Division, General Accounting Office

    Mr. Chairman and Members of the Subcommittee: We appreciate the 
opportunity to present this statement for the record, which discusses 
the Environmental Protection Agency's (EPA) efforts to improve its 
methods of establishing priorities, allocating resources, and measuring 
performance. As you know, EPA is currently developing a new approach 
for managing its strategic planning, budgeting, and accountability 
processes. The new approach, known as the planning, budgeting, and 
accountability system, responds to the National Academy of Public 
Administration's (NAPA) April 1995 recommendation that EPA improve and 
integrate its management processes.\1\
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    \1\ ``Setting Priorities, Getting Results: A New Direction for 
EPA,'' NAPA (Apr. 1995).
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    In response to this Subcommittee's continuing interest in how EPA 
sets priorities and helps to manage the nation's environment, we 
reviewed the status of EPA's efforts to (1) establish an Office of 
Planning, Analysis, and Accountability to develop and implement an 
integrated planning, budgeting, and accountability system and (2) 
ensure that the agency has comprehensive scientific and environmental 
data and appropriate environmental measures of progress in carrying out 
its strategic planning, budgeting, and accountability processes. Our 
testimony today is based on the preliminary results of our ongoing work 
for the Subcommittee. A final report on our work will be provided to 
the Subcommittee this summer.
    In summary, our preliminary findings are as follows:
    In March 1996, the EPA Administrator announced plans to create a 
new Office of Planning, Analysis, and Accountability. The office was 
established in January 1997. In the interim, an EPA work group composed 
of employees on temporary assignment started to develop the new 
planning, budgeting, and accountability system. However, the work group 
was not fully staffed, and the development of the new system is still 
in the early stages. The new Office of Planning, Analysis, and 
Accountability will not be fully staffed before July 1997.
    EPA faces long-term challenges to obtain the scientific and 
environmental data needed to fully support its new system. Although 
much environmental information has already been collected, many gaps 
exist and the data are often difficult to compile because divergent 
data collection methods have been used. Likewise, much effort is still 
required to identify, develop, and agree on a comprehensive set of 
environmental measures to link the agency's activities to changes in 
environmental conditions. Without environmental measures, EPA has to 
rely solely on administrative measures, such as the number of permits 
issued or inspections made, to measure its performance or success.

                               BACKGROUND

    In an April 1995 report, the National Academy of Public 
Administration recommended that EPA establish specific environmental 
goals and strategies to attain them, and use comparative risk analyses 
to select priorities and develop strategies for specific programs. NAPA 
also said that EPA should consolidate its planning and budgeting 
functions, use the budget process to allocate resources to the agency's 
priorities, and establish accountability by setting and tracking 
benchmarks and evaluating performance. The NAPA study's recommendations 
are similar to the requirements for federal agencies established by the 
Government Performance and Results Act of 1993 (GPRA). Under GPRA, 
agencies must establish, by September 30, 1997, strategic plans and 
annual performance plans, including annual performance goals and 
performance measures.
    In response to NAPA's recommendations, in July 1995, EPA created a 
task force to study ways to improve the agency's management processes. 
In its report, the task force recommended an integrated system composed 
of strategic planning, budgeting, and accountability processes. In the 
planning process, EPA was to develop a strategic plan that would be 
based on the agency's goals. During the budgeting process, each goal in 
the strategic plan would be considered, and an annual performance plan 
would be prepared showing the agency's progress to date and plans for 
future expenditures. During the accountability process, EPA would 
determine progress under the annual plans and use the data on progress 
to make corrections in the strategic and annual performance plans.
    In March 1996, the EPA Administrator and Deputy Administrator 
endorsed the task force's recommendations for developing an integrated 
planning, budgeting, and accountability system and directed that the 
recommendations be implemented. In making a commitment to substantially 
revise the agency's management systems, EPA officials recognized that 
the effort would take several years to complete. The EPA Administrator 
and Deputy Administrator also announced plans to create a new office by 
January 1997 to consolidate the agency's planning, budgeting, and 
accountability processes. In the interim, a work group composed of 
employees on temporary assignment was established to begin developing 
the new system.

            EPA IS IN THE PROCESS OF STAFFING ITS NEW OFFICE

    In January 1997, the EPA Administrator approved the structure and 
staffing plans for the new office, called the Office of Planning, 
Analysis, and Accountability. The interim work group that had been 
assigned to develop the new system was detailed to the new office to 
continue its work. The work group has 21 employees, fewer than half the 
number that EPA had planned for the group.
    The new office is authorized 49 employees. As of the end of March 
1997, EPA had published job announcements to fill 26 of the new 
positions. EPA officials told us that these announced positions, which 
are open only to current EPA employees, will be filled in May 1997. The 
remaining positions, which are to be announced governmentwide, are not 
likely to be filled before July 1997. The officials told us that the 
office was not fully staffed when it was established because time was 
required to determine the most appropriate types of skills and work 
experiences needed and to implement a competitive process for selecting 
staff.
    Given the office's limited staffing, the development of an 
integrated system is in the early stages. For example, EPA is reviewing 
the agency's former accountability process to find out what did and did 
not work well, contacting other federal agencies to determine how they 
account for progress in meeting their goals, and examining reporting 
systems in the agency's program offices to identify their potential use 
in the new system. EPA hopes to have the accountability component in 
place by September 1999. According to EPA officials, the development of 
the new budgeting component will begin after the agency completes its 
strategic plan in September 1997. They said that EPA's fiscal year 1999 
budget will be structured along the lines of the goals in the strategic 
plan.
    Thus far, the work group members have spent most of their time 
developing a strategic plan, which is required by September 30, 1997, 
under GPRA. An important part of the new strategic planning process is 
the selection of goals and objectives that can be used to guide the 
agency's actions and to measure its performance. Although EPA is making 
progress toward developing its strategic plan, it has not completed two 
studies that are intended to identify the most appropriate goals for 
the agency and to provide the latest scientific information on 
environmental risk.\2\ EPA officials told us that the September 30, 
1997, strategic plan will be updated, as appropriate, to reflect the 
final results of these studies, which are likely to be completed in 
late 1997 or early 1998.
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    \2\ One of the studies, EPA's National Environmental Goals Project, 
is being performed to establish a set of long-range national 
environmental goals with realistic and measurable milestones for the 
year 2005. The other study, the Integrated Risk Project, is being 
performed to rank the relative risk of environmental problems, and to 
develop methodologies that EPA can use to make future risk rankings.
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  EPA MUST OVERCOME INFORMATION CHALLENGES TO IMPLEMENT ITS NEW SYSTEM



    Although EPA continues to expand and improve the environmental data 
it compiles, it still needs to fill data gaps; improve the quality of 
its data; integrate information systems; and build the capability to 
compile, organize, and analyze the data in ways useful to EPA managers 
and stakeholders. In addition to the measures of outputs or program 
activities that it currently relies on to assess its performance, EPA 
is working to develop environmental measures that enable the agency to 
evaluate the impact of its programs on the environment and determine 
whether they are achieving the desired results.
        epa's environmental data and systems need to be improved
    The need to assess EPA's performance in terms of changes in 
environmental conditions substantially increases the demand for high-
quality environmental data. Such data are also needed to identify 
emerging problems so that they can be addressed before significant 
damage is done to the environment. Despite EPA's efforts to improve the 
quality of its data, these data are often unreliable, and the agency's 
many disparate information systems are not integrated. These 
shortcomings have been raised in various external and internal reports 
on EPA, including the Vice President's report on reinventing 
government.\3\
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    \3\ ``Reinventing Environmental Regulation,'' National Performance 
Review (Mar. 16, 1995).
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    In its April 1995 report, NAPA also identified the lack of high-
quality data on environmental conditions as a particularly important 
problem for EPA. NAPA specifically noted the limited amount of 
information based on the real-time monitoring of environmental 
conditions. Without monitoring data, EPA must rely on estimates and 
limited, site-specific data. NAPA also concluded that much remains to 
be done to improve the overall management of environmental information 
in the agency. It noted that EPA had over 500 information systems and 
that program offices, which are responsible for their own data, use 
different methods and definitions to gather data. Furthermore, EPA 
relies on data compiled by other federal agencies and the states. 
According to NAPA, these agencies and the states also use divergent 
methods of collecting data.\4\
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    \4\ In ``Environmental Protection: EPA's Problems With Collection 
and Management of Scientific Data and Its Efforts to Address Them'' 
(GAO/T-RCED-95-174, May 12, 1995), we testified that our previous 
reports had identified long-standing data quality and data management 
problems at EPA.
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    More recently, a 1996 EPA report concluded that the agency needs to 
redesign its many disparate fiscal and environmental data systems so 
that it and others can measure its success in meeting environmental 
goals and determine the costs of doing so.\5\ The agency's difficulty 
in demonstrating its performance or the impact of its actions is 
illustrated by the findings of a team of agency personnel, which was 
formed in 1995 to evaluate the agency's needs for environmental 
information. The team identified various problems with the information 
needed to report on environmental goals, such as gaps in the data and 
inconsistencies in the methods of collecting and/or reporting data 
across states or federal agencies. Specific examples include the lack 
of (1) national reporting on risk reduction at waste sites, (2) 
reliable data on the nature and cause of pesticide poisonings, (3) 
effective reporting on progress in improving the nation's water 
quality, and (4) complete data on air pollutants.
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    \5\ ``Managing for Results,'' EPA's Planning, Budgeting, and 
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          EFFORTS TO DEVELOP ENVIRONMENTAL MEASURES NEED FOCUS

    EPA and the states are devoting considerable attention to 
developing environmental indicators or measures for use in assessing 
programs' performance and better informing the public about 
environmental conditions and trends. Some efforts are just starting, 
while some of the agency's program and regional offices and some states 
have begun to use these measures in reporting on their programs' 
performance. Although EPA and state officials believe that 
environmental measures are more useful than measures of activities for 
assessing programs' performance, they recognize that scientific and 
technical issues have to be addressed before indicators that really 
measure environmental conditions and trends can be widely used. 
Developing and using environmental indicators for an entire program 
presents significant challenges.
    The scientific and technical challenges include identifying (1) a 
range of health or environmental conditions that can be measured and 
(2) changes in these conditions that can be linked to a program's 
activities. These tasks are especially difficult because natural 
causes, such as changes in weather patterns, and other factors outside 
a program's control can affect environmental conditions. In some cases, 
data or indicators are not available for a specific aspect of the 
environment because of high costs or technical difficulties. Thus, it 
could be some time before EPA is able to develop and use a set of 
environmental indicators that accurately reflect the impact of its 
programs or their results.
    According to EPA officials, the agency's and the states' efforts to 
develop and use environmental measures have been valuable but 
disparate. Furthermore, at a conference convened by EPA in September 
1996 to better coordinate these efforts, as well as in interviews 
conducted by EPA staff to prepare for the conference, regional and 
state representatives cited several concerns. They said, for example, 
that (1) clarification is needed on EPA's and the states' direction in 
developing goals and indicators, (2) the qualities of a good indicator 
are not well understood, and (3) determining whether the best 
indicators have been chosen will take many years. The representatives 
also believed that the data and resources needed to develop and use 
environmental indicators are inadequate.
    An additional challenge will be to reach agreement within EPA and 
among its stakeholders on the specific environmental indicators that 
will be used to measure performance. A consensus may be difficult to 
reach because of the potential for debate on what is important about 
individual programs and whether a relatively small number of measures 
can adequately reflect the effects of an agency's or a program's 
activities. EPA will need a set of measures common to all the states to 
report to the Congress and the public on the agency's performance and 
the state of the nation's environment. At the same time, the 
development of national measures, to the extent that such measures 
drive the implementation of environmental programs, will reduce the 
states' flexibility to tailor the programs to meet local needs and 
conditions, a major concern of the states. Reporting on new measures 
will also increase the states' costs unless other reporting 
requirements are eliminated or reduced.
    In May 1995, EPA signed an agreement with state leaders to 
implement a new system of federal oversight for state environmental 
programs. This new National Environmental Performance Partnership 
System (NEPPS) fundamentally changes EPA's working relationship with 
the states because it places greater emphasis on the use of 
environmental goals and indicators, calls for environmental performance 
agreements between EPA and individual states, and provides 
opportunities for reducing the agency's oversight of state programs 
that exhibit high performance in certain areas. As of March 1997, about 
half of the states had signed performance partnership agreements to 
participate in the system.
    EPA's Office of Regional Operations and State/Local Relations is 
developing a set of core performance measures, including some 
environmental indicators, that the agency's regional offices are to use 
in negotiating annual work plans and agreements with the states. The 
core measures are to be focused and limited in number, representing 
measurable priorities for each of EPA's national program managers. They 
are to serve as the minimum measures in performance agreements with the 
states, which may develop additional measures to represent their own 
environmental or programmatic issues. In addition, a particular core 
measure may not be required if a state can demonstrate that the measure 
does not apply or cannot be addressed. According to EPA, its national 
program managers will finalize their core measures in April 1997 and 
its regional staff will begin negotiations with the states to 
incorporate the measures into the agreements for fiscal year 1998. At 
this point, it is too soon to know how extensively EPA's regional 
offices will be negotiating measures that reflect programs' direct 
effects on human health and the environment.
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   Prepared Statement of Stanley J. Czerwinski, Associate Director, 
  Environmental Protection Issues, Resources, Community, and Economic 
            Development Division, General Accounting Office

    Mr. Chairman and Members of the Subcommittee: We appreciate this 
opportunity to provide a statement for the record for use in the 
Subcommittee's hearing on the Environmental Protection Agency's (EPA) 
fiscal year 1998 appropriation. As you requested, we have reviewed 
certain aspects of EPA's contracts and assistance agreements \1\ that 
are used to accomplish the work of the Superfund program. Specifically, 
we are providing information on (1) the total amount of unspent 
obligated funds remaining on completed contract work orders and 
assistance agreements and the EPA offices and regions primarily 
responsible for administering these funds and (2) the timeliness of 
EPA's recovery of such funds.
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    \1\ Assistance agreements include grants, cooperative agreements, 
and interagency agreements. Grants provide financial assistance to 
organizations to carry out a program without substantial federal 
involvement. Cooperative agreements provide financial assistance and 
require substantial federal involvement to carry out a program. 
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    In summary, we found the following:
  --As of December 1996, about $249 million in unspent obligated funds 
        was potentially available to be recovered on over 6,000 
        completed work orders and assistance agreements. EPA's Office 
        of Solid Waste and Emergency Response and its regional offices 
        located in Atlanta, New York, and Philadelphia administer most 
        of the funds.
  --In the early 1990's, EPA recognized the need to take more timely 
        action to recover unspent funds. However, according to the 
        agency's Inspector General, EPA's offices responsible for 
        managing contracts and assistance agreements were not provided 
        sufficient resources to do so, while carrying out their other 
        responsibilities. Consequently, in 1994, EPA created the 
        Superfund Deobligation Task Force to respond to a growing 
        backlog of completed work orders and assistance agreements, and 
        the associated unspent funds. Since fiscal year 1994, the task 
        force has recovered over $400 million. However, the task force 
        is not keeping up with a growing backlog of completed work 
        orders and assistance agreements because it is composed of 
        part-time members who perform these activities only when their 
        primary job responsibilities enable them to do so.

                               BACKGROUND

    EPA relies heavily on contracts and assistance agreements for the 
Superfund program, which was created to clean up the nation's most 
hazardous waste sites. EPA relies on contractors to accomplish the work 
of the program, including (1) cleaning up hazardous waste sites, (2) 
supervising cleanups performed by others, and (3) providing technical 
and scientific support to the program. Contracts are generally used to 
obtain the services of private businesses when EPA manages the work. 
Assistance agreements are generally used to support the activities of 
states, nonprofit organizations, and universities in the Superfund 
program. From fiscal years 1990 through 1996, Superfund contracts 
accounted for $5 billion, or 57 percent, of the $8.8 billion that EPA 
obligated for all contracts awarded during that period. From fiscal 
years 1990 through 1995, the most recent period for which information 
is available, EPA entered into 620 Superfund assistance agreements 
valued at about $387 million.
    EPA issues individual work orders to describe the specific tasks 
and requirements to be completed on contracts. When a new work order is 
awarded or a new assistance agreement is entered into, EPA obligates an 
amount equal to the estimated cost of the work. As work progresses, EPA 
releases funds to contractors or the recipients of assistance 
agreements and liquidates its obligations. In many instances, the 
amount of funds obligated exceeds the amount eventually needed to pay 
the contractor or other entities for the completed tasks and other 
requirements. In such cases, the unspent funds may be deobligated and 
recovered when all work has been completed or when the specified period 
of performance has expired. Before recovering unspent funds, EPA 
reviews the completed contract or assistance agreement to ensure that 
all appropriate payments have been made. EPA leaves between 10 to 15 
percent of the total expenditures made under the contract or assistance 
agreement as a reserve to cover any additional costs, as determined by 
a final audit. Recovered funds are to be used for other Superfund 
activities, since congressional appropriations for the Superfund 
program remain available for use until expended.
    EPA contracting officers or grant specialists are responsible for 
reviewing the costs of the work and performing other closeout 
activities. The maximum amount of time allowed for closing out 
contracts according to the Federal Acquisition Regulation is 36 months 
from the date the contracting officer receives evidence of the 
project's completion. Similarly, EPA's Final Closeout Policy for 
Assistance Agreements specifies that assistance agreements be closed 
within 180 days after completion.

 SUBSTANTIAL UNSPENT FUNDS COULD BE RECOVERED FROM INACTIVE SUPERFUND 
                  CONTRACTS AND ASSISTANCE AGREEMENTS

    Using EPA's data systems,\2\ we identified contract work orders and 
assistance agreements having unspent obligations for work that has been 
completed or for which the specified performance period has expired. 
Our analysis of the data shows that about $249 million in unspent funds 
are potentially available for recovery, mostly on contracts and 
agreements administered by the Office of Solid Waste and Emergency 
Response and three EPA regional offices. As shown in table 1, hundreds 
of work orders or agreements were completed prior to 1991.
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    \2\ The EPA data systems that we used include (1) the Contracts 
Information System, (2) the Financial Information System, (3) the 
Grants Information and Control System, and (4) the Management and 
Accounting System. We did not verify the accuracy or reliability of the 
data systems.

  TABLE 1.--BALANCES OF UNSPENT OBLIGATIONS BY CONTRACT AND ASSISTANCE  
                         AGREEMENTS' COMPLETION                         
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                                          No. of orders/                
               Fiscal year                  assistance        Unspent   
                                            agreements      obligations 
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1981-84.................................               7        $100,945
1985-87.................................              30       1,542,836
1988-90.................................             886      16,871,139
1991-93.................................           2,477      68,923,588
1994-96.................................           2,682     161,484,102
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      Total.............................           6,082     248,922,610
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    We found that each of EPA's 10 regional offices and various 
headquarters offices currently have unspent balances obligated for work 
that has been completed. (See app. I.) Completed work orders and 
agreements administered by the Office of Solid Waste and Emergency 
Response total over $54 million in unspent funds. In addition, such 
funds total over $43 million in region 2 (New York), over $18 million 
in region 3 (Philadelphia), and over $30 million in region 4 (Atlanta). 
These four agency units account for approximately $145 million, or 
about 58 percent, of the $249 million potentially available for 
recovery.
    EPA officials told us that the Office of Solid Waste and Emergency 
Response has a large amount of unspent funds because the Superfund 
Deobligation Task Force, thus far, has given higher priority to 
recovering funds in EPA's regions. However, the director of the task 
force told us that more emphasis will be placed on headquarters' units 
during fiscal year 1997. He also told us that EPA regions located in 
the eastern part of the United States, such as regions 2, 3, and 4, 
typically award a greater number of Superfund contracts and assistance 
agreements than other regions and, therefore, have more unspent funds 
on work orders and agreements.

          TIMELY ACTIONS HAVE NOT BEEN TAKEN TO RECOVER FUNDS

    EPA has experienced a continuing problem in recovering unspent 
funds on completed Superfund work orders and assistance agreements. To 
address this problem, EPA created a Superfund Deobligation Task Force, 
which has succeeded in recovering nearly $400 million in unspent funds 
since fiscal year 1994. Nevertheless, the backlog of completed work 
orders and assistance agreements with unspent funds continues to grow, 
as additional work orders and assistance agreements are completed. 
Consequently, on October 1, 1996, the agency implemented a policy that 
allows EPA offices to use the funds they recover for their own 
Superfund activities, rather than returning them to the agency for 
redistribution. However, thus far, this incentive has not resulted in 
increased recoveries of funds.

Recovering Unspent Funds Is a Long-Term Problem
    In December 1990 hearings before the Subcommittee on Oversight and 
Investigations, House Committee on Energy and Commerce, we said that 
EPA's failure to recover unspent funds increased the government's need 
to borrow; increased the agency's vulnerability to fraud, waste, and 
abuse; and resulted in missed opportunities to obtain interest payments 
due the government from overpayments to contractors.\3\ A few years 
later, EPA's Inspector General reported that, as of March 1993, 
contracts awarded under the Superfund program still had balances of 
over $100 million in unspent obligated funds that were no longer needed 
for their original purposes.
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    \3\ ``EPA's Contract Management: Audit Backlogs and Audit Follow-Up 
Problems Undermine EPA's Contract Management'' (GAO/T-RCED-91-5, Dec. 
11, 1990).
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    According to the Inspector General's report, EPA had experienced 
delay in recovering unspent funds because it had given a low priority 
and few resources to closing contracts, which involves ensuring that 
all goods and services have been received, evaluating performance, and 
resolving all outstanding issues or problems. The report stated that 
EPA's Contract Management Division had requested, but not received, 
additional resources to carry out these responsibilities in a more 
timely manner.
    In addition, according to the Inspector General's report on 
assistance agreements,\4\ EPA officials stated that competing 
priorities for staff resources also has resulted in untimely closings 
of Superfund assistance agreements. Officials of EPA's Grants 
Administration Division, which administers the agreements, stated that, 
while closeout functions are important, the division places more 
emphasis on entering into new assistance agreements than on closing old 
ones.
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    \4\ ``Final Report of Audit on EPA's Controls Over Assistance 
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EPA's Task Force Has Recovered Substantial Funds
    To handle a backlog of completed work orders and assistance 
agreements, in 1994 EPA established a Superfund Deobligation Task 
Force. The task force is composed of about 30 part-time members, 
representing several headquarters offices and each of EPA's 10 regional 
offices. Members review individual contract work orders to identify 
completed projects, determine the amount of unspent funds available for 
deobligation, and prepare requests to deobligate and recover the unused 
funds. The task force gives priority to work orders and assistance 
agreements with the largest potential recovery of funds.
    After the task force identifies unspent funds, EPA takes action to 
deobligate and recover them, except for an amount held in reserve 
pending a final audit of the actual costs of the work. If the reserve 
funds are not sufficient to cover the final costs, as determined by the 
audit, EPA uses current-year appropriated funds to pay the difference.
    Since fiscal year 1994, the task force has recovered over $400 
million. However, we found that substantial funds remain on work orders 
and assistance agreements that were completed years earlier. For 
example, our analysis shows that 3,400 work orders and assistance 
agreements were completed more than 3 years earlier, the maximum amount 
of time that the Federal Acquisition Regulation and EPA's regulations 
allow for closing out contracts and assistance agreements. Funds 
totaling approximately $87 million, or about 35 percent, of the $249 
million that we identified were associated with these orders and 
assistance agreements. If the work orders or assistance agreements are 
not closed within the time specified, EPA is required to do so as soon 
as possible.
    Furthermore, while the task force has recovered substantial funds, 
it apparently is not keeping up with a growing backlog of completed 
work orders and assistance agreements. For example, in a May 1, 1996, 
statement for the record to the Subcommittee on VA, HUD, and 
Independent Agencies, House Committee on Appropriations, we said that 
unspent funds on completed work orders totaled $164 million as of March 
1, 1996.\5\ Our analysis shows that as of January 1, 1997, such unspent 
funds had grown by $13 million, an increase of about 8 percent.
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    \5\ ``Environmental Protection: Selected Issues Related to EPA's 
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    Task force officials told us that during fiscal year 1996, they 
spent less time on recoveries than they had during the previous 2 
fiscal years. The task force recovered $160 million in fiscal year 
1994, $170 million in fiscal year 1995, but only $67 million in fiscal 
year 1996. According to task force officials, fewer staff resources 
were provided and fewer funds were recovered during fiscal year 1996 
because higher priority was given to other work requirements of the EPA 
units providing the part-time task force members.
    These officials also told us that EPA does not have records showing 
the amount of time that members spend on their task force activities 
but noted that it is not unusual for competing priorities to severely 
limit the staff resources that are available. The officials also told 
us that EPA has never performed an analysis to determine the resources 
needed to eliminate the agency's backlog and to keep pace with new 
completed work orders and assistance agreements.
    The director of the task force told us that EPA intends to continue 
with its task force approach. He acknowledged, however, that other 
options may be considered if sufficient progress is not made in 
achieving timely recoveries of unspent funds. Among such options are 
adding resources to the EPA organizations responsible for managing and 
auditing contracts and grants so that they may be closed in a more 
timely manner.

New Incentive Policy
    EPA believes that a new policy, initiated on October 1, 1996, may 
result in additional recoveries by providing more incentive to 
headquarters and regional task force members to identify, deobligate, 
and recover funds on completed work orders and assistance agreements. 
Until fiscal year 1997, recovered funds were placed in a central pool 
and then distributed on the basis of national Superfund priorities. As 
of October 1, 1996, the funds remain with the offices recovering them 
to meet the offices' Superfund cleanup needs. EPA officials told us 
that this new policy might achieve better results by providing greater 
incentive to EPA offices to deobligate and recover unspent funds. The 
officials acknowledged, however, that under the new policy, task force 
members must still find time to perform the recovery activities while 
meeting other work requirements having higher priority within their 
organizational units.

                              CONCLUSIONS

    The recovery of substantial unspent funds on completed Superfund 
contract work orders and assistance agreements could help EPA in 
meeting its responsibilities for cleaning up Superfund hazardous waste 
sites. Although the agency has taken actions to recover such funds, it 
has not succeeded in eliminating a substantial backlog of completed 
work orders and assistance agreements while keeping pace with annual 
additions to the backlog. Consequently, EPA is not achieving timely 
recoveries of these funds, as required by agency policy and the 
applicable federal contracting regulation.

                             RECOMMENDATION

    To recover unspent funds on inactive Superfund contract work orders 
and assistance agreements, we recommend that the Administrator of EPA 
develop a strategy for identifying, deobligating, and recovering 
unspent funds within the period specified for contracts by the Federal 
Acquisition Regulation, and for assistance agreements by EPA's Final 
Closeout Policy for Assistance Agreements.

                            AGENCY COMMENTS

    EPA officials, including the Director of the Budget Division, 
Office of the Comptroller, generally agreed with the information 
contained in this statement for the record. They also agreed that a 
strategy was needed for recovering unspent funds within the period 
specified by Federal Acquisition Regulations and EPA's regulations. We 
have incorporated clarifying comments provided by EPA where 
appropriate.

                               Appendix I

     FUNDS AVAILABLE FOR DEOBLIGATION FROM SUPERFUND WORK ORDERS AND    
    ASSISTANCE AGREEMENTS BY EPA ORGANIZATION AS OF DECEMBER 2, 1996    
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                                                No. of                  
                                               orders/                  
                                              assistance     Estimated  
              EPA organization                agreements     recovery   
                                                to be                   
                                             deobligated                
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Region 1...................................          229      $7,668,938
Region 2...................................          589      43,569,654
Region 3...................................          423      18,983,622
Region 4...................................          590      30,651,835
Region 5...................................          452      18,905,755
Region 6...................................          247      11,504,173
Region 7...................................          243       8,764,694
Region 8...................................          190      12,931,893
Region 9...................................          275      14,986,054
Region 10..................................          175      11,218,870
Office of Research and Development.........          704       5,061,885
Office of Solid Waste and Emergency                                     
 Response..................................        1,088      54,905,483
Office of Policy, Planning, and Evaluation.          113       1,802,992
Office of Administration and Resources                                  
 Management................................          497       4,751,486
Office of Enforcement and Compliance                                    
 Assurance.................................          132       2,086,980
Miscellaneous..............................          135       1,128,296
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      Total................................        6,082     248,922,610
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                      PROPOSED SUPERFUND INCREASE

    Senator Bond. Thank you very much, Madam Administrator.
    To go back to the points that I raised in my opening 
questions, EPA's most significant budget proposal is for 
Superfund, where there is a 50-percent increase proposed. The 
amount requested, $2.1 billion, is the highest ever requested, 
at a time when budget constraints are tighter than ever. In the 
fiscal year 1997 budget EPA requested, and the Congress 
provided, a $1.4 billion Superfund budget. Last year EPA 
projected outyear Superfund budgets of $1.4 billion through the 
year 2000. Now EPA claims a budget of $2.1 billion for each of 
the next 2 years is imperative. What I would like to know is 
what occurred between the preparation of last year's budget and 
the President's trip to Kalamazoo at which a decision was made 
to increase the budget by 50 percent for fiscal year 1998 and 
1999, and why did this program suddenly become a much higher 
priority for EPA?
    Ms. Browner. The Superfund Program, the cleanup of the 
Nation's worst toxic dump sites, has long been a priority for 
the EPA. Since I came to EPA almost 4\1/2\ years ago, this 
program has taken almost more of my time than any other 
program. It is a large undertaking. It is one that is important 
to literally thousands of communities across the country.
    We have made progress in this program, that we would all 
agree has had its share of problems. I am the first to say that 
and I have said it for 4 years. I have worked hard to change 
the day-to-day management of this program, and I think you can 
see the effects. In the last 4 years we have cleaned up more 
sites than had been cleaned up in the entire 12 years prior to 
that. This is an example of how we are getting the job done 
faster, fairer, and more efficiently. We looked at the number 
of large toxic dump sites that would be ready to go into the 
final cleanup phase. This phase takes approximately 2 years, 
and we have a growing number of such sites. With additional 
money we could get these done on an expedited basis. We could 
give these communities back the productive use of these sites. 
It is just that simple. We have moved the sites through the 
early phases of the program. We now have in excess of 600 sites 
where either construction or design is underway. In other 
words, in the next 2 years we will have candidates ready to do 
the final 2 years of work if the dollars are there. It is that 
simple. There is nothing else going on.
    Senator Bond. Well, we all like to see progress, but quite 
frankly, as you indicated earlier, the program is matured. One 
of the reasons that we are able to move forward is because 
there has been 12 years of study, and we are at the position 
where more sites are ready to go into the construction phase.
    But is it not true that Superfund sites rank relatively low 
on a risk continuum, and that EPA could achieve substantially 
greater risk reduction by applying $650 million to other EPA 
programs such as the air program?
    Ms. Browner. Mr. Chairman, we are responsible for 
implementing more than a dozen national environmental laws. 
They each speak to different problems. In the case of 
Superfund, I think Congress ought to speak to the needs of 
individual communities, of the people who live next to a toxic 
dump site, who want their children to be able to play and drink 
the ground water, and who want a quality of life free of toxic 
contamination. In looking at the needs of those communities, in 
looking at our desire to be responsive to the needs of those 
communities, this is the best investment we can make. Let us 
get the job done.
    We can all spend a lot of time talking about why it took us 
so long to get here. I think we would all agree, there were 
problems. The truth of the matter is, today we have the sites 
ready to go. Why not get it over with and give these 
communities back their neighborhoods?

                   SUPERFUND: NEW YORK TIMES ARTICLE

    Senator Bond. Well, you will recall you were questioned 
about this previously in the Sunday New York Times of March 21, 
1993. There was a very thoughtful article calling environmental 
policy misguided. Quote:

    These experts say in the last 15 years environmental policy 
is too often evolved largely in reaction to popular panics, not 
in response to sound scientific analysis, of which 
environmental hazards present the greatest risks.

    It goes on to state:

    That as an example few experts question the value of 
spending roughly $3 billion each year on new sewage treatment 
plants. Many experts, however, question the wisdom of spending 
billions of dollars to protect people from traces of toxic 
compounds,

    To which you responded in that article, quote,

    The President is aware of this dilemma, and there is 
leadership in this administration for trying to change the way 
we do business in every aspect of governing, including 
environmental protection. We have to allow for change to occur 
as new information becomes available. This is not an area where 
a solution will fit forever.

    And then the article goes on to say almost everyone 
involved, including community and local environmental groups, 
agrees that the toxic waste program stands as the most wasteful 
effort of all.
    Ms. Browner. That is a quote from me?
    Senator Bond. No.
    Ms. Browner. That does not sound like me.
    Senator Bond. I said the article went on to say that. I 
would like your response based on what purports in the New York 
Times article to be the state of scientific thinking. How do 
you respond to the priority for putting money into Superfund?
    Ms. Browner. I apologize. I think it is an older article, 
and I am not familiar with it at this point. I would be more 
than happy to look at it.
    Senator Bond. We will be happy to share it with you.
    Ms. Browner. I can tell you that from day one of coming to 
EPA I believed, the President believed, that we had to change 
the way Superfund functioned on a day-to-day basis, and that is 
why we have instituted literally dozens of administrative 
reforms. It is why we have been able to reduce the amount of 
time it takes to clean up a site. It is why we have been able 
to reduce the amount of money that is necessary to clean up a 
site. It is why we have been able to take out the small parties 
that no one thinks should be trapped in the Superfund net. It 
is why we have been able to come up with better technologies 
and presumptive remedy. There are a whole host of changes that 
result in a very different program today than yesterday.
    In terms of the people who live in these communities, in 
terms of their experiences of these sites, in terms of the 
health effects and the environmental effects, which they deal 
with on a day-to-day basis, getting the job done is probably 
the most important thing we can do for these people at this 
point in time, and that is why we seek an increase in the 
budget. This would allow us to complete 500 sites by the end of 
the year 2000 to give these neighborhoods a future.
    Senator Bond. Thank you, Madam Administrator. In the words 
of General MacArthur, I shall return.
    Senator Mikulski.

                         BROWNFIELDS INITIATIVE

    Senator Mikulski. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Ms. Browner, as you know, one of my great passions is 
really to be able to generate jobs, believing that the best 
social program is a job. And our urban areas are so hard hit in 
the ability to do so. This is why I am tremendously interested 
in the brownfields initiative. The Maryland General Assembly 
has just passed legislation. We are recommending funds for a 
substantial brownfields initiative. And I am very much 
interested in knowing how the brownfields initiative will work, 
and No. 2, how will EPA be working with urban areas, 
particularly those that have urban or enterprise zone like my 
own hometown, what will that mean in terms of your initiative, 
coordination with HUD, working with the mayor and the county 
executive on the ground to make sure we not only clean up a 
lemon, but in the process create a whole new lemonade stand?
    Ms. Browner. That is precisely what we have been doing. 
Approximately 3 years ago, after meeting with mayors from 
across the country, it became clear to me that these brownfield 
sites were something we needed to address. Within our existing 
budget resources, we began a modest program of providing 
relatively small dollars to allow communities and cities to 
assess the nature of contamination and bring in those who would 
both clean up and redevelop the sites. This program turned out 
to be far more successful than anyone could have imagined on 
the front end. That is why we are here today asking for an 
increase in the dollars that we can make available to local 
communities across the country.
    What we have seen at the brownfield sites that we funded in 
the early phase of the program is really quite remarkable. We 
have seen in community after community that when a site is 
cleaned up, businesses are reopened, jobs are created, and a 
tax base is restored. What we want is to replicate that in 
many, many more communities.
    The increase that we seek, $50 million, is in addition to a 
base of $37 million. That would allow for a total of $87 
million for this program. It would allow us to dramatically 
increase the number of assessment grants. We currently make 
$200,000 assessment grants to cities. It would allow us to 
create a revolving loan fund for cleanup at 106 pilots. We have 
found sometimes a little bit of money is needed on the front 
end. We could make a grant that would then be loaned out and it 
would be repaid.
    Senator Mikulski. How will it work, like, in a city? How 
will it work in a city?
    Ms. Browner. In an individual city they would receive a 
grant, as they can right now. There would be more available. A 
certain percentage of those would be available in the 
empowerment zone communities. They would be able to take that 
money, go out and do an assessment of the sites that they think 
are appropriate for redevelopment. They would bring in the 
developers, bring in the banks, bring in the lenders, and 
actually see the job of cleanup restoration.
    Senator Mikulski. In the communities?
    Ms. Browner. Yes.

                         CHESAPEAKE BAY PROGRAM

    Senator Mikulski. Will you be coordinating with Housing and 
Urban Development on this initiative so that we are actually 
working to leverage each other, because the chairman said 
without limited resources in the subcommittee and cuts in HUD, 
as well, we need to make sure that every dollar of EPA money 
and HUD money is actually working for empowerment so that 
people can move from work to welfare and move to work.
    Let us then go on to the Chesapeake Bay Program, which I 
know is of your great interest. The bay program has been in 
existence for 10 years, and does seem to show cleanup results. 
But yet, at the same time, oyster and crab harvest have been 
declining in the bay. My question is, First of all, and I am 
sure you would agree, you do not want to see our watermen 
become as much of an endangered species as our oysters and our 
crabs. How is the Chesapeake Bay Program now going to move from 
research to results, from research to focusing on how to 
maintain both water quality, but also deal with the species 
decline of oysters and crabs and clams in the bay?
    Ms. Browner. The primary focus of the Chesapeake Bay 
Program is working out in the field. For example, we have found 
working with farmers to deal with nitrogen control practices, 
that to be a tremendous problem throughout the region. Working 
a field in terms of habitat restoration, the States, the 
District, and EPA have made a commitment to restoring habitat 
along the bay and along the streams that feed into the bay. I 
think, at this point in time, it is fair to say we have moved 
beyond the research phase and are out in the field. As 
important as the environmental protections are, so are the 
economic realities of the bay. I think the bay is a good 
example of how we can achieve both a better environmental 
protection and an economic growth.
    But it is not without its challenges. This is an area that 
is experiencing tremendous growth, and that is probably our 
single greatest challenge. We have to continue to work in the 
partnership from Pennsylvania all the way down to EPA to find 
the commonsense, cost-effective, and on-the-ground solutions 
that we are now implementing.
    Senator Mikulski. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I see my time is 
up.
    Ms. Browner, I look forward to EPA issuing the proposed 
cluster rule for the paper industry that has had a great impact 
on those jobs in western Maryland, Westvaco. Westvaco is the 
only thing we have got going in western Maryland now with the 
close of the Bausch & Lomb.
    Ms. Browner. As you know, we have probably spent hundreds 
of hours in meetings with both industry, community 
representatives, and States' officials. We do anticipate 
sending that to OMB in the course of this month for their 
interagency review.
    Senator Mikulski. Thank you.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Senator Bond. Thank you very much, Senator Mikulski.
    Senator Shelby.

                            NAAQS PROPOSALS

    Senator Shelby. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Administrator Browner, do you agree that the American 
people have a basic right to know the scientific basis for the 
EPA's rulemaking proposals?
    Ms. Browner. Yes.
    Senator Shelby. Has the data used to support the ozone and 
particulate matter rule been made available to the public? In 
other words, the information?
    Ms. Browner. There has been a 4-year public process 
reviewing the science that underlies our proposal.
    Senator Shelby. What does that mean?
    Ms. Browner. That means there were many, many meetings of 
the Science Advisory Board held in the public. There are more 
than 250 peer-reviewed published scientific reports that have 
been made available to the public. We have not had this kind of 
extensive scientific review and public discussion. This is not 
an EPA internal review; this is external.
    Senator Shelby. Excuse me. Did you say you have not had it 
before?
    Ms. Browner. This kind of review.
    Senator Shelby. You have not had this type of scientific 
review?
    Ms. Browner. Not of this magnitude. We began this 4 years 
ago when I first came to EPA.
    Senator Shelby. OK.
    Ms. Browner. To just explain one thing briefly, we have 
dramatically changed in the last 4 years both how we do our 
scientific review and how we subject our science to peer 
review: whether it be our own internal science or science we 
looked at from outside of the Agency. We have dramatically 
increased the number of peer-review panels we use.

                         NAAQS: SCIENTIFIC DATA

    Senator Bond. Do you believe that your basic decisions 
regarding health should have a scientific basis?
    Ms. Browner. Absolutely.
    Senator Shelby. Has EPA, Administrator Browner, received 
any Freedom of Information requests for this information 
regarding your scientific data?
    Ms. Browner. Senator Shelby, with all due respect, I think 
I know the question you are asking. So if I might say what I 
think the question is then maybe I can answer it a little bit 
more directly.
    Senator Shelby. You go right ahead.
    Ms. Browner. There have been some who have raised a 
question about some of the data that underlies some of the 
published peer reviewed studies in the 200-plus studies that we 
and our external peer-review panel relied on in reaching a 
scientific proposal regarding a health standard for air. Those 
data bases, one of which is at Harvard, another of which is 
with the American Cancer Society, underlie those studies. We 
have encouraged both Harvard and the American Cancer Society to 
make those databases public.
    Senator Shelby. Excuse me just 1 minute. Do you have those 
databases?
    Ms. Browner. No; we do not.
    Senator Shelby. You do not have what they came up with?
    Ms. Browner. What the scientific community does in this and 
any other effort of this type is look at the scientific studies 
that are done.
    Senator Shelby. Absolutely.
    Ms. Browner. We have all of the peer-reviewed studies.
    Senator Shelby. Excuse me just 1 minute. But you at EPA, as 
the Administrator, you commissioned these people----
    Ms. Browner. No.
    Senator Shelby. You do not, to do these studies?
    Ms. Browner. Not necessarily, no.
    Senator Shelby. Well, did you in any of these cases? Did 
you commission or encourage the American Society to do a study 
in this regard?
    Ms. Browner. No; we did not commission or encourage the 
American Cancer Society to collect this data or to do a 
particular study. No; we did not.
    Senator Shelby. But have you requested from them as the 
Administrator the data in which they based their decisions?
    Ms. Browner. The American Cancer Society.
    Senator Shelby. I know who they are. I just asked you a 
question. Have you requested from them as the Administrator the 
data on which they based their decision?
    Ms. Browner. The American Cancer Society does not have any 
decision. They have a database that any scientist with an 
appropriate scientific research question can access. They have 
a written protocol. Anyone can access it.
    Senator Shelby. Do you have that.
    Ms. Browner. No; do we have the protocol? We would be more 
than happy to get it for you, certainly. It is a written 
protocol of what a scientist should do.
    Senator Shelby. Would you get that and furnish it to the 
committee and to this Senator?
    Ms. Browner. Yes, we would be more than happy to.
    [The information follows:]


                       Cancer Prevention Study II

                              DESCRIPTION

    Cancer Prevention Study II (CPS-II) is a prospective mortality 
study of approximately 1.2 million American men and women, begun in 
1982. Participants were recruited into the study in all fifty states, 
the District of Columbia, and Puerto Rico by approximately 77,000 
volunteers for the American Cancer Society. Many of the participants 
were friends, neighbors, or acquaintances of the volunteers. Enrollment 
was restricted to adult members (age 30 or older) of families in which 
at least one household member was 45 years or older.
    Each participant completed a four page confidential questionnaire 
and returned it in a sealed envelope. Baseline questions included 
personal identifiers, height, weight, demographic characteristics, 
personal and family history of cancer and other diseases, use of 
medicines and vitamins, menstrual and reproductive history (women), 
occupational exposures, dietary habits, alcohol and tobacco use and 
various questions regarding exercise and behavior. For males, the 
questionnaire covered 376 items, and for females, 395 items.
    During the first six years of follow up (September 1, 1982 to 
August 31, 1988), each participant's vital status was determined at two 
year intervals through personal inquiries by the volunteers. Volunteers 
were asked to check whether their enrollees were alive or dead and to 
record the date and place of all deaths. Death certificates were 
subsequently obtained from State Health Departments and coded by a 
nosologist according to a simplified system based on the International 
Classification of Disease, 9th revision (92 categories). For deceased 
persons whose death certificates mentioned cancer, clinical information 
was sought from cancer registries, physicians and hospitals to verify 
the primary cancer site and histologic type.
    The CPS-II study population is being traced beyond 1988 using 
computerized linkage with the National Death Index (NDI), a database of 
all deaths in the U.S. NDI provides ACS with a list of deceased 
persons, their dates of death, states of death, and death certificate 
numbers. With this information, ACS National is able to obtain most 
death certificates directly from the State Health Departments. Vital 
status follow-up at completion of the 1991 follow-up is shown in Table 
1.
    Follow up of CPS-II is expected to continue for many years (See 
Figure 1) to maximize the information obtained from this valuable 
study.

                        CPS-II NUTRITION SURVEY

    In the Fall of 1992 and 1993 we recontacted approximately half of 
the CPS-II Study population (men and women age 50-74 in 21 states) and 
obtained updated information on nutrition and other cancer risk factors 
on approximately 90,000 men and 100,000 women. The 21 States (26 
Divisions) participating in this survey were California, Connecticut, 
Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Iowa, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, 
Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, New Mexico, New Jersey, New York, North 
Carolina, Pennsylvania, Utah, Virginia, Washington, and Wisconsin.
    Our objective is to establish ongoing cancer incidence follow-up 
for the CPS-II Nutrition Survey cohort through linkage with state 
cancer registries. We then will be able to study the association of 
many factors (e.g. diet, lifestyle, environment) reported in both 1982 
and 1992 with cancer incidence. Because we will continue our mortality 
follow-up of the entire CPS-II cohort (through linkage with the NDI), 
we also will be able to study the association between reported risk 
factors and survival.
    A new questionnaire will be sent to the CPS-II Nutrition Survey 
cohort in the Fall of 1997. This questionnaire will update information 
on exposures and will also capture self-reported cancer incidence.

                              PUBLICATIONS

    As of March 1997, 56 scientific papers on CPS-II had been published 
or were about to be published in peer-reviewed journals. CPS-II is also 
discussed extensively in two reports by the U.S. Surgeon General on The 
Health Consequences of Smoking (1989), and The Benefits of Quitting 
Smoking (1990). A list of references is attached.

                            ONGOING ANALYSES

    Staff in the Epidemiology and Statistics Program are currently 
conducting a series of analyses on CPS-II. These include analyses of 
diet, hormones, and other risk factors for selected common fatal 
cancers, analyses of risk factors for fatal breast and prostate cancer, 
and updated dose-response analyses between smoking and mortality. 
Collaborative studies are underway with the National Cancer Institute, 
the Centers for Disease Control, and several universities.

                          CPS-II PUBLICATIONS

In Press
    1. Heath CW, Lally CA, Calle EE, McLaughlin JK, Thun MJ. 
Hypertension diuretics, and anti-hypertensive medications as possible 
risk factors for renal cell cancer. Am J Epidemiol, 1966.
    2. Kahn HS, Tatham LM, Rodriguez C, Calle EE, Thun MJ, Heath CW. 
Stable behaviors associated with adults' 10-year change in body mass 
index and likelihood of gain at the waist. Am J Public Health, 1996.
    3. Thun MJ, Day-Lally C, Myers DG, Calle EE, Flanders WD, Zhu BP, 
Namboodiri MM, Heath CW. Trends in tobacco smoking and mortality from 
cigarette use in Cancer Prevention Studies I (1959-1965) and II (1982-
1988). In: National Cancer Institute, Smoking and Tobacco Control, 
Monograph 6: Changes in Cigarette-Related Disease Risks and Their 
Implication for Prevention and Control. Washington, DC: National 
Institutes of Health.
    4. Thun MJ, Myers DG, Day-Lally C, Namboodiri MM, Calle EE, 
Flanders WD, Adams SL, Heath CW. Age and the exposure-response 
relations between cigarette smoking and premature death in Cancer 
Prevention Study II. In: National Cancer Institute, Smoking and Tobacco 
Control, Monograph 6: Changes in Cigarette-Related Disease Risks and 
Their Implication for Prevention and Control. Washington, DC: National 
Institutes of Health.
    5. Thun MJ, Heath CW. Changes in mortality from smoking in two 
American Cancer Society prospective studies since 1959. Prev Med.
Published
    1. Calle EE, Mervis CA, Thun MJ, Rodriguez C, Wingo PA, Heath CW. 
Diethylstilbestrol and risk of fatal breast cancer. Am J Epidemiol 
1996;144:645-52.
    2. Cardenas VM, Thun MJ, Austin H, Lally CA, Clark WS, Greenberg 
RS, Heath CW. Environmental tobacco smoke and lung cancer mortality in 
the American Cancer Society's Cancer Prevention Study II. Cancer Causes 
Control, 1997;8:57-64.
    3. Miracle-McMahill HL, Calle EE, Kosinski AS, Rodriguez C, Wingo 
PA, Thun MJ, Heath CW. Tubal ligation and fatal ovarian cancer in a 
large prospective cohort study. Am J Epidemiol 1997;145:349-57. Calle 
EE, Mervis CA, Thun MJ, Rodriguez C, Wingo PA, Heath CW. 
Diethylstilbestrol and risk of fatal breast cancer. Am J Epidemiol 
1997; 144:645-52.
    4. Rodriguez C, Tatham LM, Thun MJ, Calle EE, Heath CW. Smoking and 
fatal prostate cancer in a large cohort of adult men. Am J Epidemiol 
1997;145:466-75.
    5. Collaborative Group on Hormonal Factors in Breast Cancer. (Calle 
EE, Heath CW, Jr., Miracle-McMahill HL, collaborators). Breast Cancer 
and Hormonal Contraceptives: Further Results. Contraception 54, No.3 
(Supplement), 1996.
    6. Collaborative Group on Hormonal Factors in Breast Cancer. (Calle 
EE, collaborator). Breast cancer and hormonal contraceptives: 
collaborative reanalysis of individual data on 53,297 women with breast 
cancer and 100,239 women without breast cancer from 54 epidemiological 
studies. Lancet 347:1713-27, 1996.
    7. Doll R. Cancers weakly related to smoking. Br Med Bull 
1996;52:35-49.
    8. Peto R, Lopez AD, Boreham J, Thun M, Heath C, Jr, Doll R. 
Mortality from smoking worldwide. Br Med Bull 1996;52:12-21.
    9. Steenland K, Thun MJ, Lally CA, et al. Environmental tobacco 
smoking and ischemic heart disease in the American Cancer Society CPS-
II cohort. Circulation 1996;94:622-628.
    10. Steenland K, Lally C, Thun M. Parity and coronary heart disease 
among women in the American Cancer Society CPS-II population. 
Epidemiology 1996;7:641-643.
    11. Soucie JM, Coates RJ, McClellan W, Austin H, Thun M. Relation 
between geographic variability in kidney stones prevalence and risk 
factors for stones. Am J Epidemiol 1996;143:487-95.
    12. Willis DB, Calle EE, Miracle-McMahill HL, Heath CW. Estrogen 
replacement therapy and risk of fatal breast cancer in a prospective 
cohort of postmenopausal women in the United States. Cancer Causes 
Control 1996;7:449-57.
    13. Thun MJ, Day-Lally CA, Calle EE, Flanders WD, Heath CW. Excess 
mortality among cigarette smokers: Changes in a 20-year interval. Am J 
Public Health 1995;85:1223-1230.
    14. Thun MJ, Heath CW. Aspirin use and reduced risk of 
gastrointestinal tract cancer in the American Cancer Society 
Prospective Studies. Prev Med 1995;24:116-118.
    15. Rodriguez C, Calle EE, Coates RJ, Miracle-McMahill HL, Thun MJ, 
Heath CW. Estrogen replacement therapy and fatal ovarian cancer. Am J 
Epidemiol 1995;141:828-835.
    16. Pope, CA, Thun MJ, Namboodiri MM, Dockery DW, Evans JS, Speizer 
FE, Heath CW. Particulate air pollution as a predictor of mortality in 
a prospective study of U.S. adults. Am J Respir & Crit Care Med 
1995;151:669-674.
    17. Holmberg L, Ekbom A, Calle EE, Mokdad A, Byers T. Parental age 
and breast cancer mortality: a cohort study of 384,000 women. 
Epidemiology 1995:6:425-427.
    18. Calle EE, Mervis CA, Wingo PA, Thun MJ, Rodriguez C, Heath CW. 
Spontaneous abortion and risk of fatal breast cancer in a prospective 
cohort of U.S. women. Cancer Causes Control 1995;6:460-468.
    19. Calle EE, Miracle-McMahill HL, Thun MJ, Heath CW. Estrogen 
replacement therapy and risk of fatal colon cancer in a prospective 
cohort of postmenopausal women. J Natl Cancer Inst 1995;87:517-523.
    20. Thun MJ, Aspirin, NSAIDS, and digestive tract cancers. Cancer 
Metastasis Rev 1994;13:269-277.
    21. Soucie JM, Thun MJ, Coates RJ, McClellan W, Austin H. 
Demographic and geographic variability of kidney stones in the United 
States. Kidney Int 1994;46:
    22. Thun MJ, Calle EE, Myers DG, Heath CW. Response. Hair coloring 
products: safe or still suspect? J Natl Cancer Inst 1994;86:943-944. 
(Correspondence.)
    23. Calle EE, Miracle-McMahill HL, Thun MJ, Heath CW. Cigarette 
smoking and risk of fatal breast cancer. Am J Epidemiol 1994;139:1001-
1007.
    24. Thun MJ, Altekruse SF, Namboodiri MM, Calle EE, Myers DG, Heath 
CW. Hairdye use and risk of fatal cancers in women. J Natl Cancer Inst 
1994;86:210-215.
    25. Thun M, Namboodiri M, Calle EE, Heath CW. Nonsteroidal 
antiinflammatory drugs in skin cancer revisited: Response. J Natl 
Cancer Inst 1993;85:581. (Correspondence).
    26. Calle EE, Martin LM, Thun MJ, Miracle HL, Heath CW. Family 
history, age, and risk of fatal breast cancer. Am J Epidemiol 
1993;138:675-681.
    27. Thun MJ, Namboodiri MM, Calle EE, Flanders WD, Heath CW. 
Aspirin use and risk of fatal cancer. Cancer Research 1993;53:1322-
1327.
    28. Calle EE, Terrell DD. Utility of the National Death Index for 
ascertainment of mortality among Cancer Prevention Study II 
participants. Am J Epidemiol 1993;137:235-241.
    29 Halperin Mt, Gillespie BW, Warner KE. Patterns of absolute risk 
of lung cancer mortality in former smokers. J. Natl Cancer Inst 
1993;85:457-464.
    30. Thun MJ, Calle EE, Namboodiri MM, Flanders WD, Coates RJ, Byers 
T, Boffetta P, Garfinkel L, Heath CW. Risk factors for fatal colon 
cancer in a large prospective study. J Natl Cancer Inst. 1992;84:1491-
1500.
    31. Peto R, Lopez AD, Boreham J, Thun M, Heath C. Mortality from 
tobacco in developed countries: indirect estimation from national vital 
statistics. Lancet 1992;339:1268-1278.
    32. Lee PY, Silverman MK, Rigel DS et al. Level of education and 
the risk of malignant melanoma. J Am Acad Dermatol 1992;26:59-63.
    33. Thun MJ, Namboodiri M, Heath CW. Aspirin use and reduced risk 
of fatal colon cancer. N Engl J Med 1991;325:1593-1596.
    34. Shopland DR, Eyre HJ, Pechacek TF. Smoking-attributable cancer 
mortality in 1991: is lung cancer now the leading cause of death among 
smokers in the United States? J Natl Cancer lnst 1991;83:1142-1148.
    35. Garfinkel L, Boffetta P. Association between smoking and 
leukemia in two American Cancer Society prospective studies. Cancer 
1990;65:2356-2360.
    36. Garfinkel L, Boffetta P. Smoking and Estrogen-Related Sites 
Data from American Cancer Society Studies. In Smoking and Hormone 
Related Disorders. N. Wald, J. Baron (Eds.). Oxford, England: Oxford 
Medical Publications, 1990.
    37. Stellman SD, Garfinkel L. Proportions of cancer deaths 
attributable to cigarette smoking in women. Women Health, 1989;15:19-
28.
    38. Garfinkel L, LaVerda N. Dietary patterns of nurses. Proc of 5th 
National Conference on Cancer Nursing. American Cancer Society, 1989.
    39. Stellman, SD. Brief Reports: The case of the missing eights--An 
object lesson in data quality assurance. Am J Epidemiol, 1989;129:857-
860.
    40. Boffetta P, Stellman SD, Garfinkel L. A case-control study of 
multiple myeloma nested in the American Cancer Society prospective 
study. Int J Cancer 1989;43:
    41. Stellman SD, Garfinkel L. Patterns of artificial sweetener use 
and weight change in an American Cancer Society prospective study. 
Appetite (suppl. II) 1988;85-91.
    42. Stellman SD. Sweetener usage in America. A brief history and 
current usage patterns. In G.M. Williams (Ed.), Sweeteners: Health 
Effects. Princeton, NJ: Princeton Scientific Publishers. 1988:1-18.
    43. Stellman SD, Boffetta P, Garfinkel L. Smoking habits of 800,000 
American men and women in relation to their occupation. Am J Ind Med 
1988;13:43-58.
    44. Boffetta P, Stellman SD, Garfinkel L. Diesel exhaust exposure 
and mortality among males in the American Cancer Society prospective 
study. Am J Ind Med 1988;14:403-415.
    45. Garfinkel L, Stellman SD. Mortality by relative weight and 
exercise. Cancer 1988;62:1844-1850.
    46. Garfinkel L, Stellman SD. Smoking and lung cancer in women: 
findings in a prospective study. Cancer Res 1988;48:6951-6955.
    47. Stellman SD, Garfinkel L. Patterns of reported age: Lack of 
digit bias. JAMA 1987;257:2593-2594. (Correspondence).
    48. Garfinkel L, Stellman SD. Cigarette smoking among physicians, 
dentists, and nurses. CA cancer J Clin 1986;36:2-8. (Reprinted in World 
Smoking & Health 1986;11:2-9).
    49. Stellman SD. Cigarette yield and cancer risk: Evidence from 
case-control and prospective studies. In: Zaridze D, Peto R, Eds. 
Tobacco: A major international health hazard. International Agency for 
Research on Cancer, Lyon, IARC 1986;74:197-209.
    50. Stellman SD, Garfinkel L. Artificial sweetener use and one-year 
weight change among women. Prev Med 1986;15:195-202.
    51. Stellman SD, Garfinkel L. Smoking habits and tar levels in a 
new American Cancer Society prospective study of 1.2 million men and 
women. J Natl Cancer Inst 1986;76:1057-1063.

             OTHER IMPORTANT PUBLICATIONS USING CPS II DATA

    U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Reducing the Health 
Consequences of Smoking. 25 Years of Progress. A Report of the Surgeon 
General. U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health 
Service, Centers for Disease Control, Center for Chronic Disease 
Prevention and Health Promotion, Office on Smoking and Health. DHHS 
Publication No. (CDC) 89-8411, 1989:140-152.
    U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. The Health Benefits 
of Smoking Cessation. A Report of the Surgeon General. U.S. Department 
of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, Centers for 
Disease Control, Center for Chronic Disease Prevention and Health 
Promotion, Office on Smoking and Health. DHHS Publication No. (CDC) 90-
8416, 1990:75-84.
    Smoking and Health in the Americas. A 1992 Report of the Surgeon 
General, in collaboration with the Pan American Health Organization. 
DHHS Publication No. (CDC) 92-8419. 1992.
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smoking in developed countries 1950-2000. New York, NY: Oxford 
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  guidelines for collaboration with the epidemiology and surveillance 
           research department of the american cancer society
    The following criteria will be used by the American Cancer Society 
(ACS) to evaluate collaborative proposals by external researchers 
involving use of ACS databases for epidemiologic analysis.
    1. A written proposal must be submitted describing the project, its 
intent, public health importance, and methodology.
    2. The scientific question must be important, biologically 
relevant, and timely.
    3. ACS data must be suitable to study the topic.
    4. ACS must have confidence in the ability of the collaborator(s) 
to work productively with its staff.
    5. Higher priority will be given to analyses that concern common 
cancers or other issues of direct value to ACS.
    6. Priority will be placed on cancer-oriented research. The number 
of studies addressing only endpoints other than cancer will be limited 
at any given time.
    7. It is (highly) preferable that the collaborator(s) complete most 
of the research at the ACS Home Office in Atlanta.
    8. Scientific papers must be jointly authored by the collaborators 
and ACS Epidemiology and Surveillance Research staff.
    9. The timing of the analysis will depend upon the need for and 
availability of support staff to assist in the project. Projects which 
can provide funds to reimburse ACS for computer programming will 
receive special consideration.
     epidemiologic collaboration using american cancer society data
Title of Epidemiologic Research Project: 
________________________________________

                           TERMS OF AGREEMENT

    1. This epidemiologic research project involves active professional 
collaboration between the American Cancer Society (ACS) and ______.
    2. The agreement will cover the work outlined in the written 
proposal submitted for the project, as later amended in writing by 
mutual agreement, if applicable.
    3. The project is planned to be completed within______ months 
beginning ______ and ending ______.
    4. The investigator(s) will complete most of the project work at 
the ACS Home Office in Atlanta.
    5. Work space and equipment will be provided for ______ external 
collaborators at the ACS Home Office during the planned project period.
    6. Any scientific papers submitted for publication as an outcome of 
this project will be jointly authored by the collaborators and ACS 
Epidemiology & Surveillance Research staff.
    7. ACS Epidemiology research analyst staff support will be provided 
to assist with the project for a total of ______ hours.
    8. ACS will be reimbursed for computer programming by the 
collaborator for hours at the rate of ______ per hour.
Work under this agreement will be governed by the following principles:
    1. In addition to providing data necessary for analysis, ACS staff 
will participate in development of the study protocol and in the 
analysis and publication of study results. In this process, the 
collaborating groups will reach mutually agreeable decisions regarding 
data to be analyzed, protocols to be followed, and participation in 
data analysis.
    2. Access to ACS data will be contingent upon acceptance of the 
terms of this agreement by all collaborating parties and upon 
assurances of confidentiality for all personal identifying material in 
the data. When the research project is completed, all original data 
materials (tapes, printouts, etc.) will either be destroyed or returned 
to ACS.

Signed:
__________________________________________________
Clark W. Heath, Jr., M.D.      Date
Vice President for Epidemiology
  and Surveillance Research
American Cancer Society

__________________________________________________
Name:               Date
Title:
Institution:

                   NAAQS: PROTOCOL FOR ACCESSING DATA

    Senator Shelby. Have you commissioned or have you 
encouraged the National Academy of Sciences to do some 
scientific studies regarding this?
    Ms. Browner. Again, there are 250 scientific peer-review 
published studies. Each study came through a process on its own 
of peer review. Once that was completed, and some of those 
extend over a 10-year period, the body of the science was then 
subject to an external peer review. So you have peer review of 
peer review of peer review.
    We have encouraged both the American Cancer Society and 
Harvard to make public those underlying databases. We have 
encouraged that and we have written to them. Mary Nichols, the 
Assistant Administrator for Air and Radiation, has written to 
them asking them to make those public. It is important to 
understand that these are peer-reviewed published scientific 
studies that then were peer reviewed again by an independent 
panel. The panel, which is made up of industry, university 
scientists, and others, then formed the scientific basis of the 
proposal we have made to the American people on public health 
protection.
    Senator Shelby. Again, do you believe that people that may 
be questioning some of your decisions in various areas as the 
Administrator of EPA would have a right to the data in which 
you base your decision?
    Ms. Browner. The American Cancer Society has an absolute 
protocol, as does Harvard, for allowing people to access that. 
We have encouraged them to go beyond that, to just put it out 
in the public. We agree with you.
    Senator Shelby. Very important, because it goes to what you 
base your decisions on, is it not?
    Ms. Browner. What we based our proposal on--there was no 
decision yet--there is a proposal.
    Senator Shelby. But there has been decisions in the past on 
various things. And you base them, or try to I hope, on a 
scientific basis?
    Ms. Browner. The process I have used the last 4 years in 
setting a public health standard or in adopting a regulation, 
is to understand the body of science that is available.
    Senator Shelby. Absolutely.
    Ms. Browner. Each statute asks us to do something a little 
bit different, so we have to take that into account. Once we 
understand the body of science, it is then and in most 
instances, subjected to a peer review.
    Senator Shelby. We understand.
    Ms. Browner. From that flows a proposal, which we take 
public comment on. This is where we are today in the air 
process. No final decision has been made and will not be made 
until we have completed review of the 16,000 comments we 
received. That is not pages; that is the number of comments. 
Some of those comments may be hundreds of pages, which we are 
now committed to reviewing and being informed by.
    Senator Shelby. I understand what you are going through. I 
know my time is up. If I could just take 10 seconds.
    But, again, the scientific data that would support the new 
particulate matter rule, do you believe that other people that 
would be affected by this in America are entitled to the same 
information, and would you make sure that people that request 
it from you get this information to evaluate the basis on which 
you make these proposals, to see if they are real or if they 
are flawed? That was my question.
    Ms. Browner. The two databases, the American Cancer Society 
and the Harvard database are the databases there have been 
questions about. They are available for valid research 
purposes. You can file with either institution a request to 
access it.
    Senator Shelby. But do you have that information?
    Ms. Browner. No; we do not have the databases.
    Senator Shelby. So you make a decision just on their 
findings, and you do not go back to their basis of their 
information? I am troubled by this.
    Ms. Browner. We use a 4-year process to evaluate published, 
peer-reviewed scientific studies.
    Senator Shelby. You still have not answered my question. I 
have got another round. I will be back.
    Senator Bond. Senator Shelby, I know this is an extremely 
important area. I apologize, but we do want to make sure that 
everybody has a shot at it.
    Senator Shelby. My time is up.
    Senator Bond. Yes; Senator Boxer.

                           BUDGET PRIORITIES

    Senator Boxer. Secretary Browner, I am just going to step 
back for 1 minute and say that--Mr. Chairman, thank you. Excuse 
me for coming after the hearing started. I had to give a talk 
down the hall in another meeting.
    Just stepping back and wearing my budget committee hat, it 
seems to me, as we look at the overall budget in these very 
tight times, that we have got to make some pretty tough 
decisions about where our priorities lie. And what the 
administration did in this budget, pretty boldly I think, is 
take out--is to target a few areas and say, you know what, this 
is important to the American people.
    Now, one of those is your Agency, EPA. And as I look from 
the perspective of my State and the country, I think it is 
right.
    Now, that does not mean that when you throw money at 
something, it necessarily has results. We have got to make sure 
that, if we do that, we have results. I am extremely impressed 
with what I see you have been doing in the past.

                           BROWNFIELDS SITES

    Senator Boxer. I think what the people of my State want, 
and I think it is true across the country--and I will give an 
example of these contaminated strawberries as just an example--
of where people, if they demand anything at all--we know they 
want the country to defend its borders and to act in the 
national security interest of the Nation, but a lot of the 
enemies they face in their daily lives are not knowing if they 
can take their kid to the corner hamburger stand, if you will.
    And I have met more than one parent who has had that 
experience, done it 100 times and the 101 they lost a child 
from E. coli. And when a mother cannot turn on the tap water 
and give her child clean water, this is something they do not 
ask us to do, they demand.
    So I think, just overall, the fact that this administration 
would recognize this as a priority is very important. And I 
want to be as supportive as I can.
    Now, certainly one of the reasons is that we have a great 
number of Superfund sites in my home State. Over 40 percent of 
Californians live within 4 miles of a Superfund site. We have 
96 Superfund sites, the third highest of any State, seven 
natural resource damage sites--that is, sites where the 
environment has been damaged by the release of hazardous 
substances--more than any other States. And we have got to have 
brownfields.
    And I would echo what Senator Mikulski said, when you have 
these abandoned brownfield sites, it means there are fewer job 
opportunities, you have neighborhood blight, and increased 
pressure of urban sprawl. And the city of San Francisco alone 
has over 5,000 of these sites.
    So, to me, when we spend funding to clean it up, we are 
making a major--we are making major progress, should that 
cleanup go forward, if you will, toward economic redevelopment, 
for jobs and toward a future that we will all be proud of. So 
my question to you, I want to make sure everything we do is 
based on science. I want to make sure everything is based on 
reality. I want to make sure, to the greatest extent possible, 
everything we do is based on consensus, which you are so good 
at. So in terms of these cleanups, do you feel comfortable in 
asking for these increases and that we are not going to see 
this funding go toward attorneys?
    I do not have anything against attorneys. I happen to be 
married to one. My father was one. My son is one. But I 
honestly feel, we give you money, we want cleanup. We do not 
want court cases. So can you make us feel more comfortable as 
we hopefully come through with some of this--I hope we come 
through with all of it; I do not know if we will--that we are 
going to see a dramatic improvement, we are going to see these 
Superfund sites cleaned up by the year 2000, we are going to 
see these brownfields sites cleaned up?
    Ms. Browner. This money is for cleanup. Let me say this the 
easiest way: we now have a universe of 600-plus sites that are 
candidates that may beready to go, or just about ready to go, 
into the final 2-year phase, which is the construction cleanup 
phase. The lawyers are essentially done.
    When we give you the numbers, it is based on the candidate 
list we have and our belief that, within this level of 
resources and the kind of experts we need to get it done, we 
can deliver to you 500 sites, with the money, if we have the 
money, by the end of the year 2000.
    The lawyer part of this happens in an earlier phase. For 
these particular 600-plus candidate sites, out of which will 
come the 500, we are essentially done with the lawyers.
    Senator Boxer. And brownfields, you feel the same way?
    Ms. Browner. I think that brownfields is a great example of 
how we avoided, in many instances, the lawyer problem up front. 
We sat down with the American Bar Association, and with the 
American Banking Association, and together crafted legal 
agreements, to avoid any problems that could have flowed.
    Senator Boxer. And just to finish this part, and then I 
will wait to the next round. Eighty-two percent of your 
increase would go toward these Superfund sites.
    Thank you.

                   FISCAL YEAR 1997 SUPERFUND BUDGET

    Senator Bond. Thank you very much, Senator Boxer.
    Administrator Browner, my first question to you was why the 
knowledge of the progress on Superfund sites, which led to a 
projection of $1.4 billion in spending in the fiscal year 1997 
budget, changed. I do not believe I got an answer for that, so 
I will ask you to submit that for the record.
    Senator Bond. My second question was why the Superfund 
program merits a higher priority on the scientific risk 
continuum than other areas. I do not believe the answer was 
responsive to the question and I would invite you to submit 
that answer in writing for the record.

                       SUPERFUND: REAUTHORIZATION

    Let me try another area. In the February 1997 GAO report, 
which stated that Superfund was a high-risk program, vulnerable 
to mismanagement, waste, fraud and abuse, have you not----
    Ms. Browner. We may not have seen this final report. I 
apologize.
    Senator Bond. It is dated February 1997.
    Ms. Browner. We have seen this one. There are several GAO 
reports. Some we have seen and some we have not.
    Senator Bond. Yes; all right. This one was titled ``High 
Risk Series, February 1997 Superfund Program Management,'' 1 of 
25. We have the luxury in this committee of handling the high-
risk Superfund Program, the entire Department of HUD, which is 
high risk, and the NASA contracting agency. This has been our 
year. But I would call your attention to this.
    The report does say that the program is vulnerable to 
mismanagement, waste, fraud, and abuse. The report said:

    That although EPA has been addressing weaknesses in 
contract management, the Agency remains vulnerable to 
overpaying its contractors and not achieving the maximum 
cleanup work with its resources.

    GAO also found that EPA pays its cleanup contractors a 
higher percentage of total contract costs to cover 
administrative expenses rather than ensuring the maximum amount 
of available funds go to the actual cleanup. And I would like 
to know why, with the demonstrated problems in Superfund, we do 
not have a priority on reauthorization, correction of the 
statutory deficiencies, and codification of the program reforms 
prior to the request for an increase.
    Ms. Browner. Mr. Chairman, I have spent the better part of 
3 years asking the U.S. Congress to rewrite the Superfund law. 
I have probably testified on proposals to rewrite that law more 
than any other. I had reached an agreement with everyone, from 
the Chemical Manufacturers Association to the Sierra Club, on 
what a rewrite of that program could be. That was more than 3 
years ago. Unfortunately, it did not come to pass.
    Elections happend. Things changed. I accepted that. We are 
back at it again this year. I will be meeting again this week 
on both the House and the Senate side, asking the committees of 
jurisdiction to please work with us in a bipartisan, consensus-
based manner, as we did on drinking water and on food quality.
    Food quality took more than 20 years, but this body, 
working with the administration, did it. There is no reason we 
cannot do it again on Superfund. There is absolutely no reason 
we cannot see this law rewritten in the next several months and 
see it move through the congressional process. We are ready, 
willing, and able to be at the table to write the legislation 
to see the law changed.
    However, we do not think that the funding increase that we 
seek should be held hostage to a legislative rewrite, 
particularly, since we have been about this now for the better 
part of almost 4 years and have been unable to succeed.
    Senator Bond. Madam Administrator, I am running out of 
time. I would be happy to ask you to submit any further 
comments on that for the record. But let me point out that when 
the leadership went to the White House and asked to put 
Superfund on the fast track, the Vice President said that they 
were not ready to do so. We know that you have worked for a 
long time to do it. We are waiting for your proposals. We are 
not holding anything hostage.
    We have a simple request that rather than pouring money 
into a program which has been criticized by probably one-half 
the people in this room, and the GAO says is vulnerable to 
mismanagement, waste, fraud, and abuse because of the statutory 
scheme in which it operates, that we need to work together to 
see your proposal, to get your proposal first, and to sit down 
and work on it, to make sure that we are putting money into 
cleanup rather than into continued litigation problems and the 
possible waste and abuse that has been identified.
    Ms. Browner. Mr. Chairman, if I may, I know my time is up. 
But we have gone to the relevant committee chairmen and asked 
how they would like to proceed with getting it done this year. 
They have suggested that rather than us crafting another bill, 
they would like to work with us. I think that is important for 
the record to reflect. That has been our understanding of their 
request to us.
    If we have misunderstood something and they want a bill, 
then we will deliver you another bill. But I believe, at this 
point in time, we are more likely to get this done, after 4 
years of trying, if we just get in a room, close the doors and 
hammer out our differences. Now, if they want a bill, if that 
is what they are telling you, then tell me, and we will deliver 
you a bill. We have written a bill.
    What we need now is an honest dialog, in the same way we 
had it on drinking water and we had it on food safety. There is 
a way to do this, and that is what I am committed to.
    Senator Bond. Well, I share your commitment. And we need to 
get it done, because we need to make sure that the money goes 
to cleanups and that the program works as efficiently as 
possible.
    Senator Mikulski.

                            SUPERFUND REFORM

    Senator Mikulski. Thank you. Mr. Chairman, I am sorry that 
Senator Lautenberg had to leave because of a pressing hearing 
on the issues around tobacco, a longstanding public health 
commitment of his. But I believe that Senator Lautenberg did 
state and has said to me privately that he is working on a 
Superfund reform effort with Senator Chafee, the driving force 
in the environmental authorizing committee, and that they were 
close to arriving at, if not a consensus, at least a workable 
framework to bring to the full Senate for discussion and 
amendment. And I think it might be useful if we then got a real 
read on where that negotiation was going.
    If they are stalled out, as you feel, that is one 
situation. If they are moving, then that is optimistic. If they 
are stalled out, then I think it is important that the 
authorizers and Ms. Browner, and perhaps you and I, get into a 
room to jump start the Superfund. But I do believe that there 
has been very serious and methodical work on both cleaning up 
Superfund sites, but also cleaning up our cumbersome Superfund 
site process, which is costly and lends itself to needless 
litigation and often excessive payments.
    Am I right in this Ms. Browner?
    Ms. Browner. From our perspective, the process is not 
stalled. I will be meeting on both the House and the Senate 
side later this week. I hope to come to closure on the Senate 
side on what steps will be taken, when they will be taken, how 
they will be taken, and who will be in the room. We had very 
productive meetings with Senator Smith and with Senator Chafee 
prior to the recess.
    Senator Mikulski. You know what is happening here is Bond 
raised the question. You are answering Bond and it is on my 
nickel. [Laughter.]
    Ms. Browner. I do not think the process is stalled.
    Senator Bond. We will give you a few cents change, Senator 
Mikulski.
    Senator Mikulski. Can I get a few cents change?
    Ms. Browner. From my perspective, the process is not 
stalled. If Senator Chafee or Senator Smith believes the 
process is stalled, then I am very disappointed, since we are 
working in good faith.

                      INTERNATIONAL PROGRAM VISION

    Senator Mikulski. And I do not know if it is stalled 
either. I just know that we are working on, each, different 
sets of assumptions here.
    Now, I would like to come back to two areas of interest of 
mine, one being the international effort. And, Ms. Browner, I 
know you have a very modest international office, and I am not 
for building up the Agency, but I do believe very strongly that 
there is an international effort in exporting our knowledge, 
our services and our technology. In conversations with me from 
the private sector, there have been concerns that your 
international office--and these are not my words but the words 
given to me--are a lot of guys sitting around in khakis who 
like to fly around the world, going to conferences and sitting 
at head tables, talking about how the world ought to clean up.
    My question to you is, while you are grappling with such 
compelling issues like Superfund, do you have a vision and a 
plan for this international office to really be a mechanism by 
which we really promote not only environmental knowledge but 
this opportunity, and are you connected to the Department of 
Commerce in being able to achieve that?
    Ms. Browner. We think there is a tremendous opportunity for 
the export of American environmental technology. The world 
market for environmental technology is growing dramatically. 
There is no reason why the United States should not be No. 1 in 
that export market. We are not, unfortunately, No. 1. There are 
other countries that now surpass us.
    Part of our international work is in partnership with the 
Department of Commerce and others to ensure that our 
technologies and our environmental technology firms are able to 
access those foreign markets. Last year there was a lot of 
discussion about our environmental technology initiative. In 
the budget, we are requesting $10 million for technology 
verification.
    This is one of the most important things we can do for 
these technology firms. When they go to other countries, the 
first thing that is asked of us is, what does EPA think? If 
they can demonstrate they have our verification, then it makes 
their product and their technology that much more interesting.
    Senator Mikulski. Ms. Browner, have you given an explicit 
direction to your international office that this must be a 
focus, and require from them a strategy, a plan of action, 
targeted opportunities either in sectors or in geographic 
areas?
    Ms. Browner. Yes.
    Senator Mikulski. Why is it that we do not sense a momentum 
in that?
    Ms. Browner. Well, I think the challenge is large. Other 
countries, quite frankly, are extremely aggressive. They put a 
large amount of resources into pushing their technology in 
other countries, far more, I think, than we probably do. We 
also do work in conjunction with the Department of Commerce, 
which saw some of their budget cuts targeted to these areas.
    But certainly we see it as a priority which is, you know, 
twofold. First, we get the opportunity for American businesses, 
and second, we all solve a pollution problem. Pollution does 
not recognize political boundaries and some pollution problems 
in other parts of the world may ultimately affect us. So we see 
it as twofold, a pollution reduction and a technology 
advancement.
    Senator Mikulski. I know my time is up. I am supportive of 
the AMI initiative.
    Senator Bond. You have got a couple of seconds.
    Senator Mikulski. I agree with that.
    Ms. Browner. Thank you.
    Senator Mikulski. And I would really like to be able to 
have, for me, really what is this strategy and plan of action, 
so that we can look at how we can support it and become more 
aware.
    Ms. Browner. OK.
    Senator Mikulski. Many thanks.
    Ms. Browner. Thank you.
    Senator Bond. Thank you very much, Senator Mikulski.
    Senator Shelby.
    [The information follows:]

               Strengthening EPA'S International Programs

                              INTRODUCTION

    In the Report accompanying EPA's fiscal year 1997 appropriations 
bill, the Senate stressed the important role EPA's international 
programs play in fulfilling the Agency's environmental mission: ``The 
Committee recognizes that the protection of the U.S. environment 
depends in part on the environmental protection efforts of other 
countries * * *. The Committee encourages the integration of EPA's 
international goals more coherently into its principal mission and 
objectives.''
    To this end, the Senate Appropriations Committee directed EPA to 
report to Congress by March 1, 1997 on its measures to strengthen its 
international program. The Committee specified that EPA's report should 
address: (a) the integration of international considerations into EPA's 
primary objectives (Section II); (b) the prioritization of 
international activities (Section III); the role of other Federal 
agencies in international environmental activities and their 
relationship to EPA's Office of International Activities (Section IV); 
and (d) the value to the American people of EPA's international 
programs (Section V).
    This report responds to that Congressional directive. Structured 
according to the specific request from Congress, the report contains a 
separate section for each of the four elements identified by the 
Committee. It concludes with a section describing measures EPA is 
taking to strengthen the Agency's international programs.

                        ACHIEVING EPA'S MISSION

    EPA leads the nation's efforts to protect and preserve public 
health and the vitality of natural ecosystems in this country. The 
Agency is committed to achieving these goals by reducing risks to human 
health and the environment, preventing pollution, and fostering 
environmentally sound and sustainable economic development in a cost-
effective and efficient manner.
    International cooperation is a key element in EPA's ability to 
achieve this mission. The U.S. faces significant challenges in 
protecting the health of its citizens and its natural resources from 
environmental hazards. In today's world, since pollution does not honor 
national boundaries, overcoming these challenges requires the 
cooperation of other countries. Some examples:
  --Cross-border air, water and waste pollution from Mexico, Canada and 
        other areas affect the health, environment and well-being of 
        American citizens living along borders as well as other areas 
        of the United States.
  --Improper use of chemicals abroad can affect the safety of food and 
        other products imported into the United States.
  --Health and environmental benefits resulting from the multi-billion 
        dollar U.S. investment by industry under the Clean Air Act to 
        reduce emissions of stratospheric ozone depleting compounds 
        could be undermined by failure to control production or use of 
        these chemicals in other countries, such as China, India or 
        Russia.
  --Pollution of the marine environment in the Wider Caribbean Region 
        \1\ can damage U.S. fisheries and coral reefs and jeopardize 
        tourism and other livelihoods.
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    \1\ The Wider Caribbean includes the Gulf of Mexico, the Straits of 
Florida and the Caribbean Sea. These shared waters are bordered by the 
United States, Mexico, Belize, Honduras, Nicaragua, Costa Rica. Panama, 
Colombia, Venezuela, Guyana, Suriname, French Guiana, and all of the 
Caribbean islands.
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  --Pollution of the oceans and irreversible loss of species and 
        habitat worldwide damage natural systems critical to our well-
        being and quality of life, and deprive us of commercially 
        valuable and potentially life-saving genetic materials.
  --The long-range transport of persistent organic pollutants like DDT, 
        chlordane and polychlorinated biphenyls (PCB's) can adversely 
        affect health and environment in the United States.
    Every major EPA program area has an important and indispensable 
international component. The Air Office must concern itself with the 
transboundary fluxes of pollutants such as sulfur dioxide; the 
Pesticides Office must establish safe tolerances for the import of food 
to ensure food safety and share information on certain pesticide 
exports and regulatory decisions; the Office of Solid Waste must ensure 
the safe import and export of waste; the Office of Enforcement and 
Compliance Assurance must work with foreign countries, for example, to 
stop the smuggling of ozone-depleting chemicals; the Office of General 
Counsel works with USTR on such issues as reformulated gasoline and to 
defend EPA's regulations when these are challenged at the World Trade 
Organization (WTO); the Office of Policy, Planning and Evaluation must 
examine how non-environmental policies, such as trade policies, affect 
EPA's regulations; and the Office of Water must deal with ocean dumping 
and pollution of international watercourses such as the Great Lakes. It 
is absolutely clear, therefore, that EPA's work to protect human health 
and the environment in the United States has an essential international 
component that cannot be considered independently from EPA's other 
work.
    Within EPA, the Office of International Activities (OIA) leads 
these international efforts working in close cooperation with other 
parts of the Agency. As described by the General Accounting Office in 
its report of September 1996,\2\ OIA ``serves as the focal point and 
catalyst for the agency's international agenda, providing leadership 
and coordination on behalf of EPA's Administrator.'' OIA is essential 
to a strong and efficient international program at EPA. Centralizing 
certain core international functions prevents costly duplication and 
facilitates the mobilization of Agency program and regional office 
resources in support of U. S. environmental goals and objectives. As 
chief advisor to the EPA Administrator on international issues, OIA 
plays a particularly important role with respect to cross-cutting 
programs and projects and ensures that the Agency speaks with one voice 
on critical policy matters. OIA also serves as EPA's principal point of 
contact on international environmental matters with the Department of 
State, the U.S. Agency for International Development, the Department of 
Commerce and other federal departments, and oversees the Agency's 
international travel and visitors programs.
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    \2\ ``International Environment: U.S. Funding of Environmental 
Programs and Activities,'' Report to the Chairman, Committee on Foreign 
Relations, U.S. Senate, United States General Accounting Office, GAO-
RCED-96-234, September 1996, Page 22.
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    EXCERPT FROM THE U.S. GENERAL ACCOUNTING OFFICE--SEPTEMBER 1996

    EPA is the nation's chief technical and regulatory agency for 
environmental matters. As such, it plays a major role not only in 
domestic environmental protection activities but in international 
environmental programs and activities as well * * *. EPA's 
international programs also serve important U.S. economic, foreign 
policy, and security interests.

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    Consistent with EPA's Five-Year Strategic Plan \3\ and the National 
Environmental Policy Act, EPA has taken steps to incorporate essential 
international activities into the Agency's programs. Program and 
regional offices now have a point of contact for international 
activities. OIA also facilitates a network of regional coordinators to 
better mobilize the scientific and technical expertise available 
through the Agency's regions and laboratories. The reduction of global 
and regional environmental risks is one of twelve environmental goals 
identified in EPA's draft ``National Environmental Goals for America'' 
report. In addition, corresponding goals, objectives and measures for 
international activities are being developed as part of the ``planning, 
budgeting, analysis, and accountability'' process that is currently 
being introduced in the Agency. The Agency's goal is to link budget 
decisions with priorities in a more formal, structured way, and to 
measure results.
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Year Strategic Plan,'' Office of the Administrator, U.S. Environmental 
Protection Agency, EPA 200-B-94-002, July 1994.
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    EPA has been very successful in advancing the U.S. international 
environmental agenda. With new planning and management tools, and 
enhanced cooperation with the Congress and other partners, the Agency 
can do an even better job in meeting today's challenges. This will 
require, among other things, developing well-targeted international 
activities within major programmatic areas.

                        SETTING CLEAR PRIORITIES

    The Agency recognizes the importance of ensuring that its 
international activities contribute to its primary mission. To that 
end, the Agency has developed a set of criteria to help determine the 
relative priority of EPA's proposed international efforts for planning 
and budgeting purposes. As part of its implementation of the Government 
Performance and Results Act (Public Law 103-62) and the restructuring 
of its planning, budgeting, analysis, and accountability processes, the 
Agency is also developing a results-oriented process for evaluating the 
effectiveness of its international programs.

Criteria
    EPA has identified the following criteria to better determine the 
relative priority of international efforts within the Agency. Proposed 
programs and activities are weighed according to the degree to which 
they:
  --Protect U.S. public health and the environment from transboundary 
        or global environmental risks;
  --Fulfill statutory and treaty obligations and respond to 
        congressional mandates and court-ordered deadlines;
  --Contribute directly to U.S. domestic environmental programs by 
        increasing the effectiveness or lowering the cost of 
        environmental protection in the United States (e.g., through 
        the acquisition of new research, data or technology);
  --Advance broader U.S. foreign policy, economic or national security 
        objectives as defined by Congress and the Administration; and
    Take advantage of EPA's unique expertise and experience in the most 
cost-effective manner possible.

Evaluation and Monitoring
    Responding to the Government Performance and Results Act of 1993, 
EPA is increasing its efforts to measure the environmental results of 
its activities, including those in the international arena. The Agency 
has begun to develop measurable outcomes for environmental programs at 
the national and programmatic levels. The ``National Environmental 
Goals for America'' report, released recently in public draft form, 
defines broad goals to improve the nation's environment. Included in 
this report are a series of proposed milestones to indicate progress 
toward achievement of the proposed national environmental goals. To 
achieve the milestones, Federal agencies, states, tribes, communities, 
industries and individuals must work collectively to implement 
programs, monitor results and report successes and deficiencies. The 
draft Goals Report includes a chapter on the global environment that 
proposes specific, measurable milestones within defined time frames for 
achieving international environmental objectives. EPA will implement 
programs to help achieve the global environmental goal and related 
milestones and will monitor the progress of these programs.
    EPA is developing specific goals, objectives and outcome measures 
to indicate environmental achievements across the Agency. Each major 
program of the Agency, including international activities, is required 
to define subordinate programmatic goals and measures and employ 
monitoring and evaluation techniques for positive environmental 
results. If these evaluation and monitoring efforts suggest that 
statutory changes would be beneficial, EPA will report these findings 
to Congress for its consideration. Our overriding objective is to 
provide the best protection possible for U.S. citizens and natural 
resources, consistent with the full range of U.S. political, economic 
and environmental interests.

                COOPERATION WITH OTHER FEDERAL AGENCIES

    EPA's environmental mandate and expertise make it uniquely 
qualified to represent the nation's environmental interests abroad. 
While the Department of State is responsible for the conduct of overall 
U.S. foreign policy and other agencies are also involved in the 
international environmental arena, only EPA has environmental expertise 
as its primary mission and focus of expertise. The following summarizes 
EPA's cooperative relations with other U.S. agencies.

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Major Global Environmental Treaties:
    1996-Protocol Relating to the London Dumping Convention \1\
    1992--Framework Convention on Climate Change \1\
    1992-Convention on Biological Diversity
    1989--Basel Convention on the Control of Transboundary Movements of 
Hazardous Wastes and Their Disposal
    1987--Montreal Protocol on Substances that Deplete the Ozone Layer 
\1\
    1985--Vienna Convention on the Protection of the Ozone Layer \1\
    1982--United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea
Principal North American Environmental Agreements:
    1992--North American Agreement on Environmental Cooperation \1\
    1991--Canada-United States Air Quality Agreement \1\
    1983--Agreement Between the States and Mexico on Cooperation for 
the Protection and Improvement in the Border Area \1\
    1983--Convention for the Protection and Development of the Marine 
Environment of the Wider Caribbean Region \1\
    1978--Great Lakes Water Quality Agreement \1\

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    Under the Foreign Relations Act of 1979 (Public Law 95-426), as 
amended, the Department of State is given primary coordination and 
oversight responsibility for all major science and technology 
agreements and activities between the United States and foreign 
countries, international organizations, or commissions of which the 
United States and one or more countries are members. Relations between 
EPA and the Department of State cut across several offices/bureaus in 
both organizations. For example, EPA works closely with the Bureau for 
Oceans, Environment and Scientific Affairs (OES), the offices of the 
Legal Adviser, International Organizations, Economic Affairs, and 
regional bureaus. OIA at EPA and the OES at State serve as principal 
points of contact for overall coordination.
    EPA plays a large role in the negotiation of international 
environmental agreements and programs and, at the request of the State 
Department, sometimes leads U.S. delegations. The degree and level of 
responsibility for policy development and treaty negotiation on 
environmental agreements varies by issue between EPA and the Department 
of State. The policy development necessary for negotiation and 
implementation of these agreements is invariably dependent upon EPA 
expertise and support. This expertise is especially critical with 
respect to ensuring consistency with our domestic environmental 
policies and regulatory programs.
    Recognizing that international agreements are only as effective as 
their implementation, the Agency also draws on its statutory authority 
and unique technical and policy expertise to assure the effectiveness 
of these agreements, both within the United States through the 
promulgation of appropriate regulations and abroad through technical 
assistance and training. EPA's policy leadership and technical 
cooperation programs under the Montreal Protocol, London Ocean Dumping 
Convention and Framework Convention on Climate Change, for example, 
have been critical to the success of those international agreements. 
The Agency is now playing a similar role in preparing for negotiations 
on a global convention on persistent organic pollutants (POP's) and 
existing negotiations on prior informed consent (PIC) for the export of 
certain banned or severely restricted chemicals.
    EPA recently signed a Memorandum of Agreement with the Department 
of Defense and Department of Energy to formalize on-going cooperation 
in the area of ``environmental security''. Responding to the 
recommendation of EPA's Science Advisory Board that EPA ``recognize 
that global environmental quality is a matter of strategic national 
interest,'' \4\ the agreement will facilitate inter-agency cooperation 
in responding to emerging environmental threats to the health and 
safety of U.S. citizens, U.S. foreign policy interests and 
environmental problems associated with the legacy of the Cold War. EPA 
is offering its unique technical expertise in such areas as 
environmental monitoring and assessment, emergency planning and 
response, risk assessment, environmental technology development and 
transfer, and the investigation of international environmental crimes.
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    EPA has often been asked by the State Department and Defense 
Department to provide leadership on critical political and security 
issues. For example, EPA officials and experts were an important part 
of the U.S. team that promoted scientific and technical cooperation as 
an effective tool for reducing Cold War tensions with Eastern Europe 
and the Soviet Union. EPA chaired the U.S. delegation to the historic 
NATO environmental conference in 1993 that included former Soviet bloc 
countries for the first time.
    EPA and the many components of the Department of Commerce work 
together closely on a range of different issues, including many science 
and technology issues. OIA has the lead for coordinating with the 
Department of Commerce on international issues, including 
responsibility for organizations carrying out EPA's activities under 
the Export Enhancement Act of 1992. The Act mandated EPA participation 
on the Environmental Trade Working Group (ETWG) of the Trade Promotion 
Coordinating Committee (TPCC), an inter-agency working group chaired by 
the Secretary of Commerce to coordinate the government's overall trade 
promotion activities. OIA represents EPA on the sub-cabinet TPCC 
Deputies' Committee and, along with the International Trade 
Administration at Commerce, co-chairs both the ETWG and the ETWG 
``Advance Team''.
    The Department of Commerce and other trade promotion agencies often 
look to EPA for information on international environmental needs and 
market opportunities. Cooperative activities among these agencies have 
also led to joint economic and environmental benefits for the United 
States. Joint funding for environmental training of foreign officials, 
for example, has helped strengthen environmental management 
capabilities worldwide while leading to over $150 million in sales for 
small and medium-sized companies in the U.S.

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       excerpt from the epa science advisory board--january 1995
    Recognizing that the United States is part of a global ecosystem 
that is affected by the actions of all countries, EPA should begin 
working with relevant agencies and organizations to develop strategic 
national policies that link national security, foreign relations, 
environmental quality, and economic growth.

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    EPA also works extensively with the National Oceanic and 
Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) and the U.S. Coast Guard on 
international environmental scientific and policy issues related to the 
protection of our coasts, marine environment and atmosphere. At the 
Coast Guard's request, for example, EPA's international office chairs 
an inter-agency work group tasked with negotiating an international 
agreement on air pollution standards for ships through the 
International Maritime Organization. EPA provides technical and policy 
guidance to the Coast Guard on other vessel safety and pollution 
prevention matters, for example, problems associated with anti-fouling 
paint used on ship hulls.
    OIA serves as EPA's primary point of contact and liaison with the 
U.S. Agency for International Development (U.S. AID). Specifically, 
drawing on expertise from throughout EPA, OIA administers a number of 
inter-agency agreements for environmental assistance. Under the Support 
for Eastern European Democracy Act and the Freedom Support Act, for 
example, OIA coordinates the provision of technical assistance, 
training, information exchange, and demonstrations in building 
environmental institutions and human resource capabilities in Central 
and Eastern Europe, Russia and the New Independent States. OIA also 
coordinates similar inter-agreements with respect to capacity-building 
in Central America and Asia.
    EPA works extensively with the Office of the U.S. Trade 
Representative (USTR), particularly its Office of Environment and 
Natural Resources, to ensure that U.S. international trade policies are 
mutually supportive, reflecting the Administration's continuing 
commitment to sustainable economic growth. For example, through the 
Agency's participation in the negotiation of both the North American 
Free Trade Agreement and the World Trade Organization and in the 
Committees created by both sets of agreements, EPA has worked with USTR 
to ensure that U.S. obligations under international trade agreements do 
not hamper the ability of federal and state governments to maintain 
high levels of domestic environmental protection. The two agencies also 
work together to ensure that EPA's rules, regulations and other 
programs are consistent with U.S. obligations under international trade 
agreements. EPA is represented on the subcabinet Trade Policy Review 
Group (TPRG) and the Trade Policy Staff Committee (TPSC), coordinated 
by USTR and responsible for the development of U.S. international trade 
policy.

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     THE MURMANSK INITIATIVE: SUCCESSFULLY APPLYING THE CONCEPT OF 
                       ``ENVIRONMENTAL SECURITY''

    EPA, the Department of Defense and other agencies are working with 
Russia and Norway to upgrade and expand a low-level liquid radioactive 
waste (LLW) processing facility in Murmansk, Russia. Designed to halt 
possible sea disposal of LLW from the decommissioning of Russia's 
nuclear submarine fleet, the project is introducing an innovative U.S. 
technology employing special filtering, containment and processing 
techniques.

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    EPA has participated in all of the work leading up to the Report of 
the WTO Committee on Trade and Environment (WTO/CTE) to the Singapore 
Economic, Ministerial in December 1996. The WTO/CTE was created with 
strong support from the U.S. in order to provide, among other things, a 
mechanism to help ensure that the international trade rules are 
environmentally sensitive. EPA, together with State and USTR, also 
leads U.S. delegations to meetings of the OECD Joint Experts Group on 
Trade and Environment.
    Finally, EPA works closely with a number of other agencies with 
environmental, health or safety mandates, including the departments of 
Labor, Transportation, Agriculture, Interior, Health and Human Services 
and the Food and Drug Administration.

                    BENEFITS TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

    EPA's international environmental programs help protect the health 
and environment of American citizens. They enlist the cooperation of 
other nations in reducing transboundary and global environmental 
threats to the United States and reduce the cost of the nation's 
environmental protection. They also serve the nation's broad foreign 
policy, economic and national security interests.
Reducing Environmental Threats Along Our Borders
    Over half of the U.S. population lives in the 19 States that form 
our borders with Mexico and Canada. Nowhere are the benefits of EPA's 
international programs more apparent than along our common borders with 
Mexico and Canada and in the Arctic and Wider Caribbean Region.
    EPA's cooperative programs with Mexico, along with the Agency's 
role in negotiating the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), 
have led to specific environmental gains in both countries. The 
construction of wastewater treatment facilities in Mexico is helping 
solve decades-old problems affecting human health and the environment 
in California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas. Joint air pollution 
efforts under the 1983 Border Environment Agreement will help reduce 
respiratory and other health problems in U.S. cities along the border, 
as well as their Mexican ``sister'' cities (e.g., Ciudad Juarez, 
Tijuana). Coordinated enforcement efforts are reducing illegal waste 
dumping and other pollution on both sides of the border. Working 
closely with the Department of Health and Human Services, the 
Department of the Interior and the Department of Agriculture, EPA will 
play a leading role in implementing ``Border XXI'', a new five-year 
program for protecting health and environment along the border (See 
box).
    Long-standing cooperation with Canada has resulted in corresponding 
environmental gains along our northern border. Benefitting from the 
Great Lakes Water Quality Agreement and other cooperative agreements, 
mercury levels in fish in Lakes Michigan, Huron and Erie have dropped 
by more than 75 percent since 1970. Phosphorous loadings into Lake Erie 
decreased by more than 50 percent over the same time period, improving 
water quality and raising fish stocks. EPA and Environment Canada are 
working closely with public and private interests on both sides of the 
border to eliminate health and environmental risks from persistent 
organic pollutants in the Great Lakes.
    U.S. and Canadian efforts to achieve the goals of the U.S.-Canada 
Air Quality Agreement resulted in reductions of sulfate wet deposition 
over eastern North America by over 20 percent of 1979 levels. U.S. and 
Canadian federal, British Columbia provincial and Washington state 
agencies are cooperating to achieve shared goals for the Puget Sound-
Straits of Georgia Basin eco-region. Their top four priorities are 
minimizing habitat loss, protecting marine plants and animals, 
minimizing introduction of non-native species, and creating marine 
protected areas. Joint contingency planning with Mexico and Canada is 
helping prevent and ensure appropriate response capabilities for 
chemical accidents or other hazardous spills along inland borders.
    Finally, the U.S. and its NAFTA partners have determined that some 
transboundary issues related to Mexico and Canada are better addressed 
on a regional scale through the Commission for Environmental 
Cooperation (CEC), which was established under the North American Free 
Trade Agreement side agreement. For instance, the three parties have 
developed regional actions plans for DDT, mercury, PCB's and chlordane, 
and are negotiating procedures to notify and mitigate transboundary 
environmental impacts. They are also considering a conservation 
strategy for North American migratory songbirds. The CEC has 
facilitated cooperation among the North American nations on other 
issues such as environmental enforcement; development of a North 
American pollutant release inventory; regional greenhouse gas emissions 
trading; and regional implementation of global environmental 
agreements.

Reducing Global and Regional Environmental Risk
    Global threats have local effects since they can affect the health 
and well-being of every U.S. citizen. Depletion of the stratospheric 
ozone layer increases the amount of the sun's ultraviolet radiation 
reaching the earth's surface, thereby increasing risk of skin cancer, 
cataracts and suppression of human immune systems. Pollution of the 
oceans originating in other countries threatens health and environment 
along U.S. coasts. Similarly, the United States is vulnerable to the 
impacts of climate change caused by global greenhouse gas emissions. 
Even with stabilization of emissions by the year 2100, global 
temperatures would continue to rise for several decades and sea level 
for centuries. Loss of biological diversity is damaging the health of 
ecosystems and depleting the world's commercially valuable and 
potentially life-saving genetic materials. The global ramifications of 
the nuclear accident at Chernobyl underscored U.S. vulnerability to the 
results of environmental mismanagement in other countries. 
Environmental problems like ozone depletion and water pollution also 
have adverse economic effects for industries like agriculture and 
fishing.

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   BORDER XXI: PROTECTING U.S. HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENT ALONG THE U.S.-
                             MEXICO BORDER

    EPA will play a leading role in implementing ``Border 21'', the 
next five-year phase of the binational program to address 
environmental, public health and natural resource issues along the 
U.S.-Mexico border. EPA's goal is to make border communities safe and 
cleaner for the more than 10 million people who live there. Underlying 
principles for the plan include enhanced public participation, greater 
involvement of tribal nations and state agencies, and enhanced 
coordination and integration of effort among federal agencies and 
between federal and state agencies.
    Objectives of the plan include: (1) reducing and responding to 
health problems from exposure to chemical, physical and biological 
agents; (2) building or upgrading wastewater and drinking water 
systems; (3) reducing air pollution in innovative ways, including 
expansion of monitoring and control programs; (4) expanded tracking of 
trans-border shipments of hazardous and toxic substances; (5) expanded 
use of pollution prevention and recycling practices; (6) improved 
emergency response procedures; (7) intensified enforcement of 
environmental and health protection laws in both countries; and (8) 
increased public access to information, including environmental data.
    To achieve maximum environmental results under this program, EPA is 
using implementation of Border XXI as a pilot under the Government 
Performance and Results Act.

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    Drawing on its policy and technical expertise, and in accordance 
with its statutory authority, EPA plays a leading role in negotiating 
and implementing international agreements and programs on global and 
regional environmental problems directly affecting the United States. 
The Agency was a leading policy and technical voice in the 
international negotiations on the Montreal Protocol on Substances that 
Deplete the Ozone Layer. EPA was a key participant on the U.S. 
delegation to many technical working group meetings, and had lead 
responsibility for domestic implementation of the Protocol through the 
promulgation of regulations under the Clean Air Act. The Agency is also 
instrumental in carrying out U.S. responsibilities related to the 
provision of technical assistance to developing-country Parties to the 
Protocol. EPA is now leading the inter-agency effort to reduce illegal 
exports and imports of chlorofluorocarbons (CFC's) through enforcement 
cooperation with other countries.
    EPA also provides policy and technical leadership in international 
efforts to implement the Framework Convention on Climate Change, 
particularly through the President's Climate Change Action Program, and 
international agreements to prevent and reduce pollution of the marine 
environment from dumping, vessels and land-based sources. The recent 
agreement under the London Convention to ban the sea disposal of 
radioactive and industrial wastes, for example, helps protect U.S. 
coastal areas, fisheries and human health. Through U.S.G. activities 
like the U.S. Country Studies Program and the United States Initiative 
on Joint Implementation (USIJI), EPA assists developing countries in 
identifying innovative, cost-effective ways to reduce greenhouse gas 
emissions. Increasing private sector investment in developing countries 
while enhancing environmental and human health benefits are goals of 
the USIJI, the Country Studies Program and related programs. The 
Country Studies Program is expanding its analytic activities with the 
fifty-five participating countries to support the negotiations, 
including assisting up to ten additional countries in assessing the 
extent of emissions reductions achievable through implementation of 
``win-win'' or ``no regrets'' measures. These activities stimulate the 
development and diffusion of clean, energy-efficient technologies in 
developing countries and reduce the need to achieve the same greenhouse 
gas reductions in the United States.

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 EXCERPT FROM THE NATIONAL ACADEMY OF PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION--APRIL 1995

    EPA's role as protector of the national interest in environmental 
matters would require it to work with other nations on problems 
affecting the United States and the world.

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    EPA has been a global leader in international efforts to control 
the long-range transport of persistent organic polychlorinated 
biphenyls (PCB's). The Agency recently helped secure international 
consensus on the need for a legally binding convention on these 
pollutants. Such a convention will enlist the cooperation of nations in 
limiting the production of chemicals long banned or restricted for use 
in the United States and whose continued use abroad poses a threat to 
health and environment in this country. EPA has also played a major 
role in international agreement on prior informed consent (PIC) for the 
transboundary movement of certain toxic chemicals and pesticides, and 
for a Biosafety Protocol to the Biodiversity Convention seeking to 
construct an international regime for trade in living modified 
organisms.
    Similarly, EPA has a key role on implementing the Global Programme 
of Action on Land-Based Sources of Marine Pollution adopted at the 
Washington Conference in 1995, and in negotiations on a Land-Based 
Marine Pollution Protocol under the Cartagena Convention for the Wider 
Caribbean Region. The development and implementation of effective 
controls on land-based sources of marine pollution such as outfalls and 
runoff will go far toward advancing important U.S. environmental and 
economic interests. Clean beaches and healthy coral reefs, for example, 
are very important to the tourist, fishing and recreation industries.
    EPA's international programs on safe pesticide use are helping to 
improve the quality of the U.S. food supply. Many off-season fruits and 
vegetables are imported from developing countries whose environmental 
inspection and regulatory systems are considerably less stringent than 
those in the U.S. By working with foreign environmental protection 
agencies and agricultural producers, EPA is able to promote safer 
pesticide use and food production practices in countries producing a 
significant amount of export crops for the U.S. market. Since 1991, for 
example, EPA has provided technical assistance on pesticide management 
to many countries in Central America. Much of the produce grown in 
Central America is intended for the U.S. market.

Elevating the Quality and Reducing the Cost of Environmental Protection 
        in the United States
    The United States is a world leader in environmental protection, 
with significant expertise residing in both the public and private 
sectors. Cooperative research and regulatory development enables the 
United States to share the costs of environmental protection efforts 
and to benefit from scientific and technological breakthroughs in other 
countries, thereby elevating the quality and reducing the cost of 
environmental protection in the United States.

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       learning lessons from abroad: the polish biosolids project
    EPA's international technology and assistance projects not only 
help solve pressing environmental problems abroad; they can also 
identify innovative approaches for use in the United States. Over the 
last three years, for example, EPA has used AID-funding to work with 
the Government of Poland in demonstrating the use of biosolids (sewage 
sludge) in revegetating and detoxifying land contaminated by coal 
mining and smelter wastes. The successful results of this small-scale 
demonstration could help introduce the use of this low-cost and 
effective technique in the U.S.

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    Cooperative research with several countries, including Canada, 
Germany, Sweden, Japan, China, and India, has yielded valuable 
information to the United States at a fraction of the cost of 
collecting and analyzing the data here. In a cooperative study with 
China, for example, EPA was able to assess the loss of lung function in 
children due to their exposure to coarse and fine air-borne particulate 
matter. Joint testing with Germany on the development of thermal 
destruction techniques for hazardous waste saved the U.S. taxpayer 
millions of dollars and accelerated the U.S. domestic program in this 
area three to four years. Shared testing through the Organization for 
Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) of over 700 high production 
volume chemicals greatly reduces the cost and administrative burden of 
chemical testing in the United States. OECD's long-standing Test 
Guidelines harmonization program for toxic chemicals data has been 
expanded to explicitly consider pesticides data, thereby leading to 
even greater resource savings for national regulatory agencies and 
industry as well as more consistent scientific and regulatory 
conclusions. Cooperation with the European Union is helping to enhance 
the effectiveness of ecolabeling as a market-based, environmental 
policy tool.

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               RUSSIA: PROTECTING OUR SHARED ENVIRONMENT

    Environmental cooperation with Russia plays a critical role in 
reducing global and transboundary risks affecting health and the 
environment in the United States. Russia is the largest source of 
industrial and radioactive pollution in the Arctic. It possesses the 
world's largest forested area and a considerable share of the world's 
biological diversity. It is also the world's third largest emitter of 
greenhouse gases and the largest remaining producer of ozone-depleting 
substances. EPA's cooperative programs with Russia have helped:
  --Leverage the funding needed to achieve significant emission 
        reductions of CO2 and other greenhouse gases over 
        the next few years;
  --Cease Russia's dumping of low-level radioactive waste in the 
        Arctic, thereby enabling Russia to comply with the London 
        Dumping Convention (see related box on Murmansk);
  --Reform major components of Russia's environmental management 
        system, particularly for air pollution;
  --Introduce low-cost, innovative technologies to reduce and prevent 
        pollution; and
  --Achieve measurable improvements in environmental quality in the 
        Moscow area and in several other Russian cities, including 
        Volgograd and Nizhnii Tagil.
    EPA's cooperative programs have helped strengthen U.S. ties with 
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    EPA is also working with many developed countries in sharing 
environmental management expertise on new, non-regulatory mechanisms 
for protecting the environment. Other countries are extremely 
interested in our experience with voluntary, non-regulatory programs 
like the Common Sense Initiative, an industry sector approach to 
environmental protection. In addition, as EPA moves away from the 
medium-by-medium approach of the past toward a more integrated view of 
the environment, it can learn much from the experience of other 
countries that have already applied such techniques. Swedish and Dutch 
authorities, for example, have been implementing multi-media systems of 
environmental protection for many years. Similarly, experience in 
Germany and other countries in rehabilitating derelict industrial sites 
offers valuable lessons for the ``Brownfields'' program in the U.S.
    EPA ``know-how'' and experience is in great demand throughout the 
world. One very cost-effective way to assist other countries in 
designing and implementing environmental protection strategies is 
through EPA's international visitors program. In 1996, for example, EPA 
hosted over 1,200 visitors from 109 countries. These typically brief 
stops at EPA enable environmental professionals from other countries to 
meet and exchange ideas with their counterparts in the United States. 
Such visits often serve as a springboard for building or strengthening 
environmental institutions abroad and set the foundation for mutually 
beneficial future exchanges.
Serving Broader National Objectives
    As emphasized by the General Accounting Office in its recent review 
of international environmental programs across the U.S. government, 
``EPA's international programs also serve important U.S. economic, 
foreign policy, and security interests.'' \5\ Working closely with 
other U.S. agencies, for example, EPA has actively supported regional 
cooperation under the auspices of the Middle East Peace Process 
Multilateral Working Group, including bringing together regional 
parties to cooperate on reducing risks from pesticides, small community 
wastewater, and preventing and responding to chemical accidents or oil 
spills.
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 EXCERPT FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL TECHNOLOGIES TRADE ADVISORY COMMITTEE--
                               JUNE 1996

    Widely recognized as the leading source of environmental regulatory 
and management expertise worldwide, EPA is frequently approached by 
foreign governments and organizations for assistance in establishing 
the environmental regulatory and management capabilities that can drive 
the demand for U.S. technologies.

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    The Agency's emphasis on community-based environmental management 
plays an important role in encouraging the development of more 
responsible, participatory decision-making in countries around the 
world. Reduced environmental problems can relieve pressures for illegal 
immigration, promote economic and political stability, and serve other 
national security interests.
    Technical cooperation has also played an important role in foreign 
policy initiatives in Latin America and with Mexico, China, India, 
Russia, and South Africa. Finally, EPA's technical assistance and 
training programs create demand--and markets--for environmental 
technologies and expertise, thereby enhancing commercial opportunities 
for U.S. business and industry and creating high-wage jobs for American 
citizens.
    Senior private sector individuals and groups have recently 
reaffirmed the key role EPA's international technology and capacity-
building programs play in creating commercial opportunities for U.S. 
suppliers of environmental technologies and expertise. In so doing, 
they have differentiated the export assistance (supply-side) role of 
the Department of Commerce, Export-Import Bank and other export 
promotion agencies from EPA's role in creating demand for U.S. 
technologies and expertise through the development of environmental 
standards, institutions and human resource capabilities. EPA's short-
term technical assistance to the Royal Thai Government, for example, 
not only helped solve a pressing health and environmental problem in 
the Mae Moh Valley, it also led to the sale of almost $200 million for 
U.S.-made air pollution monitoring and control equipment.
    International harmonization of good laboratory practices, test 
guidelines and mutual acceptance of data for industrial chemicals and 
pesticides means more efficient data development by industry and 
greater assurance of the quality of data EPA uses in responding to 
statutory requests for risk and risk benefit assessments. The mutual 
acceptance of data for risk assessment purposes must now be expanded 
beyond countries of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and 
Development to include emerging markets in Asia and Central and Eastern 
Europe. EPA's efforts to promote the upward harmonization of 
environmental standards also protect U.S. business and industry from 
unfair trade advantages through lax or non-existent environmental 
controls in other countries.
         conclusion: strengthening epa's international programs
    EPA has long been a central player in the formulation and 
implementation of U.S. international environmental policy. The direct 
benefit to U.S. citizens and natural resources resulting from this 
involvement underscores the importance of ensuring an active and 
continuing international presence. EPA is working to strengthen its 
ability to lead and support U.S. efforts to prevent and control 
environmental pollution at the regional and global level. In addition 
to the priority setting, evaluation and monitoring measures described 
earlier, EPA is undertaking the following steps to strengthen its 
international programs.

                       EMPHASIZING RISK REDUCTION

    Consistent with recommendations of the EPA Science Advisory Board 
(SAB) \6\ and the recommendations of the National Academy for Public 
Administration (NAPA),\7\ EPA is putting much greater emphasis on the 
potential for risk reduction in setting priorities. The SAB called 
particular attention to top-ranked risks to the natural ecology and 
human welfare, all of which have significant international 
implications. By making better use of good science and balancing 
numerous environmental, social, economic, political and scientific 
considerations, the Agency is working to ensure that its limited 
resources are devoted to the areas of greatest risk.
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    \6\ ``Reducing Risk: Setting Priorities and Strategies for 
Environmental Protection,'' Science Advisory Board, U.S. Environmental 
Protection Agency, SAB-EC-90-021, September 1990.
    \7\ ``Setting Priorities, Getting Results: A New Direction for 
EPA,'' A National Academy of Public Administration Report to Congress, 
April 1995, Page 12.
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    Responding to the NAPA recommendations, the Agency is also making 
better use of science, strategic planning, budgeting, and 
accountability in the planning and implementation of its international 
programs. The following steps will ensure more rigorous evaluation of 
the risks associated with different international environmental 
problems as well as better use of this information in making Agency 
decisions:
  --Evaluation of all existing international commitments in light of 
        the relevant risks to U.S. health and ecosystems;
  --Establishment of a more formal mechanism for evaluating future 
        international involvements against the criteria outlined in 
        section III.A of this report; and
  --Comparative examination of the Agency's international activities, 
        with accompanying investments and disinvestments.\8\
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    \8\ Coordinated by EPA's Office of International Activities, this 
effort will review all program and regional office involvements 
internationally.
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Strengthening Internal Coordination
    EPA is committed to improve internal coordination within the Agency 
in planning and implementing its international activities. The Agency 
currently uses a variety of mechanisms to tap the best expertise 
available within the Agency and to ensure effective integration between 
domestic and international programs. Overall coordination of programs 
through the Office of International Activities ensures policy 
coherence, integration and efficiency, particularly on cross-cutting 
environmental issues and programs.
    Consistent with the overall restructuring of the Agency's planning, 
budgeting and accountability procedures, EPA will institutionalize an 
annual planning process for its international activities. Under this 
process, OIA will coordinate an agency-wide effort to develop an annual 
activity plan describing the various project areas for the coming 
fiscal year. These activities will include short-term and long-term 
projects and major upcoming events.This process will ensure that 
international activities are reflected adequately in the Agency's 
overall strategic plan, and incorporated into the specific workplans of 
the various program and regional offices. This process will help EPA 
prioritize its international activities and provide a forum for 
assessing the results of the previous year's activities. It will also 
lead to the necessary disinvestments.

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    EPA's Office of International Activities serves as the focal point 
and catalyst for the agency's international agenda, providing 
leadership and coordination on behalf of EPA's Administrator.

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    In addition to the international contact points for many program 
and regional offices, OIA has recently: (1) created a strategic 
planning team of senior managers and staff, (2) undertaken a program to 
identify specific milestones for EPA's international work, and (3) 
reassigned one of its senior staff to work full-time on strategic 
planning. The person is working with program and regional offices in 
developing appropriate goals, objectives and milestones for 
international activities under the Agency's new planning, budgeting, 
accountability and analysis system. OIA will also lead an EPA-wide 
strategic planning process to apply the criteria described earlier to 
prioritize among existing and new activities and to begin the process 
of linking budget decisions to priorities.
    Finally, with respect to internal coordination, EPA is taking steps 
to ensure greater accountability and streamline the international 
travel process for Agency officials traveling abroad and to improve the 
efficiency of its international technical cooperation programs. The 
Agency has begun developing, for example, a set of generic ``technology 
diffusion'' modules to disseminate information and training on selected 
U.S. environmental management techniques. Coordinated closely with 
complementary programs in the non-profit and private sector, and 
building on the success of existing domestic programs, the modules will 
cover priority environmental management techniques (e.g., risk 
assessment, pollution prevention), sectors (electronics, pulp/paper) 
and problems (chemical safety, urban air pollution).
Improving External Coordination
    EPA cannot achieve its environmental mission on its own. One of the 
most effective ways of strengthening EPA's international program is 
through building and maintaining effective partnerships with its many 
stakeholder organizations. It must also leverage its limited resources 
through closer cooperation with other federal agencies, state and local 
governments, foreign governments, and international organizations. Such 
collaborative efforts will bring benefits to the American people 
through wise allocation of funds that avoid duplication of effort and 
tap into the wealth of expertise that other organizations offer.
    EPA is working to leverage resources for environmental purposes 
(e.g., lead abatement, methane recovery) and improve the lending 
practices of the World Bank and other multilateral funding and 
development institutions. Accounting for approximately $35 billion of 
development assistance in developing and transition countries, lending 
institutions play an influential role in shaping international 
financial practices.
    EPA is looking for additional ways to better enlist the expertise, 
creativity and resources of the U.S. private sector in achieving U.S. 
environmental objectives abroad. The private sector can benefit, for 
example, from EPA's extensive network of contacts and detailed 
understanding of environmental needs and market opportunities 
worldwide. To protect EPA's credibility and international reputation 
for objectivity and to ensure that EPA's activities in this area are 
carried out in a way consistent with the Agency's domestic 
environmental mandate, EPA has developed the following set of 
operational guidelines for ensuring that this work is carried out 
consistent with the Agency's statutory authority and environmental 
mission:
  --What is the environmental rationale for the activity?
  --Is the program or project an appropriate activity for public sector 
        involvement?
  --Is the activity appropriate for EPA as opposed to another federal 
        agency?
  --Does EPA's involvement imply endorsement or favoritism for 
        participating private sector parties?
  --Can EPA's participation in the activity be conducted 
        professionally, impartially and objectively?
  --Does EPA's role in the activity jeopardize the Agency's ability to 
        fulfill its domestic regulatory or enforcement 
        responsibilities?
  --How were private sector parties selected for participation in the 
        project?
    Finally, EPA is making better use of regional offices and their 
international program managers to enlist greater cooperation of States 
and other public and private sector groups in the international arena. 
State and city-based managers and organizations often have more to 
offer to foreign groups seeking to benefit from U.S. expertise and 
experience. The Agency is also working to strengthen its ties with 
environmental, conservation and consumer organizations and other non-
governmental organizations (NGO's). EPA's Office of Communication, 
Education and Public Affairs maintains ongoing dialogue with a wide 
variety of these organizations, including those working on 
international issues.
    Taken together, the steps discussed in this report should 
strengthen EPA's commitment to international cooperation, and ensure 
that the Agency's international goals are pursued in the most efficient 
and cost-effective way possible. Most importantly, active EPA 
international engagement will result in greater protection against 
pollution for U.S. citizens and natural resources. These measures 
should also serve broader U.S. foreign policy, economic and security 
interests well. Working closely with the Congress, federal agencies, 
the private sector, and other partners, EPA leadership can continue to 
make a difference in the United States and around the world.

                          NAAQS: CLEAN AIR ACT

    Senator Shelby. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Administrator Browner, you used the phrase, I believe, a 
few minutes ago, and correct me if I misquote you, that we need 
to have an honest dialog--I believe that was your phrase--
dealing with all of this.
    Ms. Browner. Yes, on Superfund.
    Senator Shelby. And I hope that we will.
    As I said earlier, the EPA, along with numerous Federal 
agencies, States, corporate America, and the citizens of this 
Nation, should be congratulated on a lot of the accomplishments 
that have occurred over the years. Numerous constituents, the 
same people that have supported prior clean air regulations, 
have come to me and others with their concern. A lot of people 
are troubled by rushing pellmell into new particulate 
standards. Has the 1990 Clean Air law been implemented in all 
of its respects?
    Ms. Browner. The 1990 Clean Air Act is built on a law that 
has been in existence since the mid-1970's.
    Senator Shelby. I know that.
    Ms. Browner. We are continuing with the implementation.
    Senator Shelby. Implementing it.
    Ms. Browner. Yes; we are basically on target. There are 
many components to the law. For example, in toxic air 
emissions, we have achieved the single largest reduction in the 
last 4 years in the history of the United States because of our 
implementation work.
    Senator Shelby. We have come a long way, have we not?
    Ms. Browner. We should all be very proud. But the job is 
not done.
    Senator Shelby. But we have not completely implemented the 
1990 amendments to the Clean Air Act, have we?
    Ms. Browner. One of the provisions in the 1990 amendments 
is a 5-year review of the public health standards. We are in 
the process of taking public comment on our review of two of 
the six public health standards. We have not proposed to change 
three of the six, and one we did not review.
    Senator Shelby. Your new proposals have come under attack 
by a lot of sources.
    Ms. Browner. I think it is fair to say that some in 
industry do not like them.
    Senator Shelby. Not just industry. It has been sharply 
criticized by a lot of the State Governors, municipal leaders 
and business organizations. And, also, I have been recently 
made aware that these rules have also been criticized, Ms. 
Browner, by other Federal agencies, such as the Council of 
Economic Advisors, the Department of Science and Technology 
Policy, the Department of Commerce, the Small Business 
Administration, and the Department of Agriculture have also 
expressed concern about the scientific basis and--let me 
finish--and the massive cost for implementing these 
regulations. Yet, your Agency is continuing full speed ahead.
    Why, Administrator Browner, should not the concerns of 
these other Federal agencies and departments be investigated 
and heard, proven or disproved, prior to the implementation of 
these regulations? And are you going to ask that these agencies 
be made part of the process?
    Ms. Browner. They are part of the process. And they have 
been, dating back to, in some instances, several years and, in 
all instances, last fall.
    I would like to go back to the question of Governors. You 
suggest that all Governors oppose strengthening.
    Senator Shelby. I did not say all; I said a lot of 
Governors.
    Ms. Browner. A lot of Governors also support strengthening 
the public health standards in the way that we have 
recommended, including Governor King, Governor Weld, Governor 
Whitman, and Governor Romer. There are a number of Governors 
who believe that it is important to strengthen the public 
health protections. We take all of the Governors' comments into 
account, whether they be supportive or not.
    Senator Shelby. You named four or five; you are going to 
consider those other 45 you did not name, I hope?
    Ms. Browner. We did not hear from all 50 Governors.
    Senator Shelby. But I bet you heard from more than four or 
five.
    Ms. Browner. I was just pointing out that there were some 
who had been supportive of our proposal and there were some who 
had not been.
    Senator Shelby. Sure. You were naming the ones who 
supported you.
    Ms. Browner. My response is in keeping with what you had 
said.
    It is absolutely appropriate when any agency, be it EPA or 
another agency, makes a proposal. That is exactly what happened 
here. We would have an opinion if the Department of Agriculture 
wanted to do something. We would have questions that we would 
want to see answered.
    Senator Shelby. Absolutely.
    Ms. Browner. The Office of Management and Budget runs what 
is called an interagency process that brings all of the various 
Federal agencies and departments to the table for a vigorous 
debate and discussion. That is what happened in this instance. 
It was vigorous, without a doubt.
    At the end of the day, a decision was made by the Office of 
Management and Budget to clear our proposal for public comment. 
While we have been in a public phase and while we are reviewing 
all of the comments we have received, we have stayed in a 
discussion across the Federal Government, seeking to understand 
the concerns, the questions and the points of view that others 
may have, and speak to them. This is an ongoing process and 
will continue until a final decision is reached.

                        OZONE NAAQS: CEA LETTER

    Senator Shelby. I want to ask you this, and tell me if this 
is correct. I have been told that EPA has stated that the total 
national cost of implementing the ozone rule would be $2.5 
billion; is that correct? Is it about like that?
    Ms. Browner. We projected a range of costs. The range is 
from $500 million to $2.5 billion.
    With all due respect, Senator, I do need to remind you that 
the law is very clear. The Clean Air Act, which you all rewrote 
in 1990, is very clear in telling us this is not a cost/benefit 
decision. It is a public health decision. Cost/benefit, which 
we did, because we thought it was an important thing, is 
somewhat speculative. Until you sit down and sort out 
community-by-community, State-by-State, and industry-by-
industry, and determine where you can get the most cost-
effective pollution reductions, you cannot do more than give a 
range.
    Senator Shelby. Sure. Now, let me remind you of this. I 
have also been told that the Council of Economics Advisors has 
stated that the cost of full attainment of just the ozone rule 
could be $60 billion--or $57.5 billion more than what was 
estimated by EPA. Now, somebody is way off on their numbers.
    Ms. Browner. Yes.
    Senator Shelby. Now is it EPA or is it the Council of 
Economic Advisors?
    Ms. Browner. I presume you are referring to a draft memo. 
We have docketed that memo. It is in the public record, because 
we think it is an important memo. We did not receive it from 
the Council of Economic Advisors.
    Senator Shelby. Did you disregard the memo and its 
contents?
    Ms. Browner. I am trying to explain to you what we did. We 
subsequently wrote a letter to the chairman of the CEA, asking 
for all of the backup documentation and any analysis they may 
have done. We want to make it part of the public record so we 
could fully consider it.
    Senator Shelby. OK.
    Ms. Browner. To the best of my knowledge, we have not 
received that backup documentation. I personally placed a phone 
call to the chairman of the council, asking for the backup 
documentation, because we want to consider it. All we have is 
what you have, which is a three- or four-page memo stamped 
draft. It was produced after our proposal was made public in 
November. When it was brought to our attention by a reporter, 
not by the CEA, we docketed it and asked the CEA for all of the 
backup documentation. CEA did not give us the memo.
    Senator Bond. Thank you very much, Senator Shelby.
    Senator Shelby. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Ms. Browner. But the concerns are concerns that should be 
taken into account. That is why we have asked for backup 
documentation.
    Senator Bond. Thank you, Administrator.
    Senator Shelby. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Senator Bond. Senator Boxer..

                         CLEAN AIR ACT REVIEWS

    Senator Boxer. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Administrator Browner, to pick up on the Clean Air 
minidebate between you and Senator Shelby. As I understand it, 
we have gained great benefit from the Clean Air Act over the 
last 25 years. It was a bipartisan act with great bipartisan 
support. And as I understand the law, you did not just get 
involved and say, OK, it is time for more stringent standards. 
Did not the courts say that you had to look at the standards 
and see whether, in fact, they were the proper standards for 
the health and safety of our people?
    Ms. Browner. The law requires EPA to review the six most 
commonly found air pollutants on a 5-year basis. EPA reviews 
the best available science and determines whether or not the 
current public health standards adequately protects the 
American people.
    For a variety of reasons, not the least of which was you 
did have a time when the White House was very hostile to EPA, 
EPA had not done this for the better part of 10 years. When I 
came to EPA, we were sued by the American Lung Association 
because we had not been doing these things on schedule. We 
agreed that we should be. It is what the law said. It is what 
the Congress had promised the American people. We settled the 
lawsuit by laying out a schedule on which we would fulfill our 
obligation to review these standards.
    We were also threatened with a lawsuit on the other 
standard, ozone. In that case, the lawsuit was eventually 
withdrawn because we made a public promise, through a Federal 
Register notice, to similarly undertake the review that the 
statute has required of us. That is why you now have two that 
we have proposed and have taken public comment on whether or 
not we should change.
    We also did three more reviews. There are six of these. We 
have done five reviews. Three of them we are not proposing to 
change. Two of them we are proposing to change. And one we did 
not review. It is lead. And the reason we did not review it is 
because, in many ways, our work is done on that side of things.
    Senator Boxer. So I think it is important, Mr. Chairman, 
that we understand that it was Congress, in a bipartisan 
fashion, that crafted the Clean Air Act, and that a court has 
now ordered EPA to take a look at these standards. And I feel 
that the legitimate question is, are you going to base your 
final decision on science? That is quite legitimate. And I 
support that. But we are supposed to consider the health of the 
people when we set these standards, by our own laws, unless we 
decide to change it, which I would hope we would not do.
    And as I understand it, we are talking about saving lives 
here. And the latest estimate is 15,000 lives, as I understand 
it.
    Ms. Browner. That is for the fine particles. In the case of 
ozone, we are talking about literally hundreds of thousands of 
respiratory illnesses, asthma attacks avoided and aggravated 
asthma cases avoided. Large numbers of people, particularly 
children or senior citizens, should we finalize the standards 
as we propose them, will receive tremendous public health 
benefits and protections.

                        SAFE DRINKING WATER ACT

    Senator Boxer. Speaking of children, the Safe Drinking 
Water Act--I sit on the authorizing committee, as you know--and 
the Safe Drinking Water Act, I was very proud of. And there 
were two amendments that got included that I was involved in. 
One dealt with consumer confidence reports.
    Ms. Browner. Yes.
    Senator Boxer. So every year people find out what is in 
their water. And then the other is that when we set drinking 
water standards, we set them at levels that protect children 
and other vulnerable populations. You have asked for an $8 
million increase in research funding, and I am hopeful that 
some of that will go toward children.
    Ms. Browner. Yes.
    Senator Boxer. Is that an accurate assumption?
    Ms. Browner. Yes; we have made our public health standards-
setting program focus on the children, whether it be drinking 
water, air, or whatever. Therefore, we are increasing budget 
and research dollars, so that we can better understand the 
environmental effects on the health of our children.
    Senator Boxer. And, in addition, the implementation of the 
consumer confidence reports, you will be able to----
    Ms. Browner. We are on track.
    Senator Boxer [continuing]. Make sure that that happens?
    Ms. Browner. Yes.
    Senator Boxer. I have written a bill, and Jim Moran is 
going to carry it on the House side, called the Children's 
Environmental Protection Act. And it really builds on this 
progress we made in the Safe Drinking Water Act, where we are 
now seeing that when we set any type of standard, it really 
ought to be not for the--with all due respect--the 165-pound 
guy, who is the strongest among us, but to look at the most 
vulnerable.
    Because, you know, even if you look at air bags today, one 
of the problems is they set that standard on the air bag for a 
175-pound male who was not strapped in. Well, you take a 
littler person, some of whom are sitting at this dais, and it 
is a little bit of a force here for us, which could wind up 
leaving us without a very important part of our body, such as 
our head. [Laughter.]
    So I think it is important that when we set these standards 
we not go for the strongest, but, in fact, look at the most 
vulnerable. Therefore, everyone is protected, not just a select 
group.
    Ms. Browner. I agree.
    Senator Boxer. You know, a survival-of-the-fittest kind of 
approach.
    I would love to have your reaction--I know you have not 
seen the final draft of our bill, but, in theory, would you 
support taking that same idea that we applied in safe drinking 
water and applying it more broadly?
    Ms. Browner. I have issued guidance to all of the offices 
at EPA to take into account children in every decision we make. 
And we would certainly welcome the opportunity to review your 
legislation.
    Dr. Phil Langrigan, who was one of the authors of the 
National Academy of Sciences report on children and pesticides, 
has recently joined us to assist us in this effort of putting 
children first and foremost when we make public health and 
environmental decisions for the country. We would appreciate 
the opportunity to look at your legislation.
    Senator Boxer. Mr. Chairman, I will hold for a final round.
    Senator Bond. Thank you very much, Senator Boxer..
    Senator Leahy.

                             MERCURY STUDY

    Senator Leahy. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Madam Administrator, good to see you here, as it is when we 
see you in Vermont.
    You seem to be spending a lot of time on the question of 
air quality, and I think that is wise. Everyone has to take 
some responsibility for controlling pollution in their own 
communities. I look at my own State of Vermont, which has some 
of the strongest environmental laws in the country, but even 
though we have strong standards within our own borders, we have 
become a dumping ground for a lot of other States. We have 
imposed very high environmental standards on ourselves. We pay 
the price of maintaining those. But then we are faced with an 
uphill battle when the pollution we are striving to control 
just silently creeps through the air, comes across borders, and 
then is dropped in Vermont--pollution that is caused by other 
States but it comes and hits us.
    Now, we are concerned about that. Acid rain taught us that 
our tough laws on the environment were not enough to protect 
us.
    Now, I think it is safe to say that Vermonters are proud 
that you serve as our Administrator. You have made a lot of 
efforts to address pollution transport. I commend you for 
proposing new regulations on ozone and particulates. Acid rain 
demonstrated that sulfur dioxide can go hundreds of miles. So, 
too, can Ozone and particulates, which can cause up to 15,000 
premature deaths a year. These are intricately related to 
whatever kind of deregulation we do in the electric utility 
industry. Our own legislature is debating that issue right now.
    But I think the deregulation of the utility industry adds a 
level of urgency to your proposed ozone and particulate 
standards. Some, and some even on this committee, have 
challenged the science behind the standards. I have reviewed 
the citations of the studies that back up the EPA rules. They 
are remarkable. The bibliography alone of science that supports 
these regulations, I think, is over 100 feet long. The science 
behind the standards is comprehensive. It is objective.
    Now, because there is sound science behind these proposed 
rules, I am puzzled by the EPA's attempt to postpone the 
release of another study on mercury. The Science Advisory Board 
recently recommended the release of this report. I hope that 
you will do just that. The effects of transport of mercury will 
be important information to know as we go forward with utility 
restructuring.
    This report is 1,700 pages long. And it contains state-of-
the-art information. In February, the Science Advisory Board 
joined a long list of scientists in saying the report should be 
released. I wonder why it is that when the Agency's mercury 
report is supported by equally compelling and sound science as 
the ozone and particulate standards, the Agency has not 
released it. Can you tell me when it may be released to the 
public?
    Ms. Browner. Yes; we are currently involved in the peer-
review process. The Science Advisory Board met in March to 
review the analysis that has been done and the underlying 
science that has been provided. We expect to hear back from 
them in writing. We do not have the Science Advisory Board's 
final report, but we expect to have it by the end of the 
summer.
    Depending on what they tell us in that report, we will make 
the appropriate adjustments and would expect to see release, 
hopefully, by the end of the year. It really depends on how 
much we get back.
    Senator Leahy. By the end of 1997?
    Ms. Browner. It depends on how much we get back from the 
Science Advisory Board. Since they have not put it in writing 
yet, we do not know. They were complimentary of the work that 
we had done. However, they do need to give us a written report, 
and we are awaiting that.
    Senator Leahy. If the SAB recommends a release, will you 
release it?
    Ms. Browner. Certainly.

                     LAKE CHAMPLAIN MANAGEMENT PLAN

    Senator Leahy. Now, when you were here last year, you and I 
discussed EPA's commitment to the Lake Champlain management 
plan. And you have cited the Lake Champlain program as a model 
for how we can bring together all the parties, develop plans, 
and find solutions to watershed issues. And I agree with you on 
that. Two of your regional offices have approved the management 
plan. Your Assistant Administrator for Water has reaffirmed the 
Agency's commitment to implement the pollution prevention and 
restoration plans. I do not see this in your fiscal year 1998 
request.
    Can you tell me what actions your Agency will take to 
support the implementation of the management plan and what kind 
of resources we can expect from the EPA over the next 5 years?
    Ms. Browner. We will continue to work, as I think we have 
to facilitate the relationships among the 31 member management 
team that has been developed. There are many other Federal 
agencies, as you are well aware, who participate in this and 
provide funding. We believe that that funding and perhaps some 
additional dollars we may be able to make available will allow 
us to continue our work.
    Senator Leahy. Well, as you can imagine, you and I probably 
have a lot more discussions on this. The Lake Champlain 
management plan is a particular favorite of mine.
    Ms. Browner. Yes.
    Senator Leahy. Any time you would like to come up, Mr. 
Chairman, we would love to show it to you.
    Senator Bond. I enjoyed my last visit up there, when we 
went up there with the agriculture committee. You were a 
gracious host.
    Senator Leahy. Please come again. Thank you.
    Senator Bond. It is a beautiful, beautiful lake.
    Thank you very much, Senator Leahy.
    Would you check--Senator Craig wanted to ask some 
questions--is he ready?
    Senator Leahy. Mr. Chairman, I might note that you have 
been very helpful to those in both New York and Vermont and all 
others who use Lake Champlain in the past. And I appreciate 
that.
    Senator Bond. Last year's bill looked as if somebody had 
put a Vermont glitch in the computer that printed it. 
[Laughter.]
    We noted that.
    Senator Leahy. Do not get that glitch out of the computer.
    Senator Bond. And we are trying to get the computer fixed 
this year. [Laughter.]

                         PM AND OZONE STANDARDS

    I will go ahead. Senator Craig is not available. I will go 
ahead on several questions.
    Thank you, Senator Leahy.
    I would note, following up on Senator Shelby's comments, 
that we have received letters with regard to the PM and ozone 
standards from over 30 mayors and elected officials. Both 
houses of the Missouri General Assembly have passed resolutions 
raising questions and concerns about the standards. When they 
agree on a final resolution, we will share that one with you.
    Ms. Browner. Thank you.
    Senator Bond. I also will ask, for the record, but I wanted 
to tell you in person, that we are concerned about the cost 
figures you used on the operable units. The Congressional 
Budget Office told my staff the average cleanup cost in 1994-95 
was $5.6 million, and with a 20-percent growth factor, to $6.6 
million for each operable unit. Yet EPA is assuming a $10 
million cost per operable unit.
    We also would need to see a list of the specific projects 
to be funded under Superfund, including a risk-based ranking 
and estimated cost for each, along with a project start date 
and whether you are going to continue to use the risk-based 
ranking.
    Ms. Browner. Yes.
    Senator Bond. We also have questions about staff to manage 
and the contracting capacity to carry out these additional 
things. I will submit those for the record and ask you to 
respond to those.
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    Ms. Browner. We have given some of those lists to your 
staff already. We have given to you a list of 600 candidates. 
We can work with you on that list.
    Senator Bond. Yes; we have a broad universe of science. We 
want the specifics.
    Ms. Browner. Right. We can do that.
    Senator Bond. And we will work with you to get that and 
share that with the committee.
    Ms. Browner. Good.

                        EPA/STATE RELATIONSHIPS

    Senator Bond. Let me turn to your relationship with the 
States. As you will recall, we have discussed here before the 
National Academy of Public Administration, 2 years ago, 
recommended that EPA turn more responsibility over to the 
States. We are hearing from the States that despite your claims 
to wanting to develop a partnership, the efforts to foster the 
partnership are disintegrating. A recent Inside EPA article 
states,

    State officials are becoming increasingly concerned that 
Hansen and Browner are not living up to their rhetoric 
regarding a new partnership between the Agency and the States. 
They see a trend of EPA walking away from the partnership 
process.

    Why is there an appearance that the relationship with the 
States is collapsing? Is EPA committed to working with the 
States and devolving the responsibility?
    Ms. Browner. Absolutely, we are committed to working with 
the States. I think one of the earlier quotes you referenced 
talked about how we had begun this in the last 4 years. This is 
not small. This is not easy. No two States are the same. No two 
State legislatures are the same. No two State Governors feel 
the same about these issues.
    We look to the States to manage a variety of Federal 
responsibilities on a day-to-day basis. In most instances, it 
works quite successfully. There will inevitably be times when 
there are challenges in individual States. We have found that 
if we can sit down and talk through these challenges, we can 
reach a resolution. I will give you just one recent example.
    The State of Texas is not a State with which we are 
expected to be able to find resolution. The State passed a 
piece of legislation that raised concerns in our minds and in 
our lawyers' minds, about whether or not they could adequately 
fulfill their responsibilities under Federal statutes, 
responsibilities we had delegated to them.
    We had a lot of meetings. Fred Hansen had meetings. Steve 
Herman had meetings. Approximately, 2 weeks ago, we agreed that 
there is a way to allow them to meet the needs of their State 
legislation, but to honor the Federal statutes.
    Similarly, in Utah.
    Senator Bond. May I interrupt just to ask one last question 
on this round. Mr. Hansen abruptly pulled back last month a 
draft agreement to establish a process for reviewing and 
improving innovative regulatory reform projects conceived by 
the States. This brought a lot of surprise and disappointment 
to the State officials. They were very much concerned and 
upset.
    Why did the process break down? What specific problems did 
you have with the draft agreement? And where do you see the 
possibility for this going forward?
    Mr. Hansen. Mr. Chairman, for the record, I am Fred Hansen, 
Deputy Administrator.
    It was with great reluctance that I took the step to pull 
that draft agreement back. But, upon review, what was at issue 
is that the States and we both agree on the need to be able to 
move ahead with good, innovative approaches. The language that 
was included in the draft agreement went well beyond what I 
think both of us felt were the types of projects that would be 
brought forward under that agreement. As a result, it raised 
very legitimate concerns in other people's minds about whether 
or not that agreement was too broad.
    We and the States have agreed to be able to, in fact, 
redraft an agreement. The Administrator and I met with the 
ECOS, the Environmental Commissioners of the States, governing 
body and agreed to, in fact, be able to relaunch that effort. 
Our staffs have been meeting and things are progressing. I 
cannot tell you today that it has been agreed to, but there has 
been very real progress made in making sure that what was the 
intent of the States and what was our intent can be captured in 
such an agreement.
    Senator Bond. Thank you very much, Mr. Hansen.
    Senator Boxer, if you do not mind, I would like to turn now 
to Senator Craig, since he missed out on that last round.
    Senator Craig, welcome.

                                  WIPP

    Senator Craig. Mr. Chairman, thank you very much.
    Administrator Browner, let me thank you for coming before 
us this morning. I apologize for being in and out and not 
hearing all of your testimony or comments. I will direct my 
questions specific ally to a couple of activities that EPA is 
involved in at the moment that are giving us considerable 
consternation.
    Specific to my State of Idaho, but also very true across 
the country, is the concern for our ability to deal with 
transuranic waste. Last year, the Senate passed a Sense of the 
Senate, in a very strong bipartisan vote, to expedite your 
activities in the overall oversight and certification of the 
WIPP facility in Carlsbad, NM. Time is important. We gave you 
authority and we gave you time, and you are not meeting those 
schedules.
    Now, let me comment first, then you will have ample time to 
comment. The Sense of the Senate suggested that you be able to 
open it by November of this year. Now you have asked for an 
extension of at least 1 year, arguing that you need more 
information. In fact, you have gone back to DOE, requesting 
more information. The Sense of the Senate, in essence, 
suggested that you run parallel tracks with your certificate of 
completeness. Why?
    To get the time sequence down, so that we could cope with 
and respond to a national need. In fact, we gave EPA authority 
in this area largely to solve some problems. I helped move the 
legislation, along with Senator Domenici, that allowed you 
greater flexibility to deal with your role in that area. In 
fact, it was new authority.
    My simple question to you is, why the extension? Why the 
request for more time? Why are you suggesting that it will be 
now May 6, or somewhere near that, of 1998, instead of the 
Sense of the Senate direction that you open it by November of 
this year by completing your work using parallel tracks? Can 
you respond to that with detail?
    Ms. Browner. We will be more than happy to respond with all 
of the different model requests and model runs that we are 
awaiting from DOE in writing. But, to step back and speak 
broadly, we are in dialog with DOE about the information we 
need to make the determination. I think we have explained that 
from when DOE completes its work, it would take us 
approximately 1 year to complete our work.
    Senator Craig. That is why the Congress reacted last year 
by saying parallel the tracks so that it would not take 1 year.
    Ms. Browner. Yes.

                           TRANSURANIC WASTE

    Senator Craig. Because we have a Federal court order 
requiring the transuranic waste begin to move in a timely 
fashion; therefore, we need to expedite with certainty.
    Ms. Browner. Yes; we have been attempting to move as much 
as possible in parallel tracks. We are still awaiting some 
information from the Department of Energy. We have no reason to 
think they are not going to be forthcoming. I want to suggest 
there is a problem. We are in dialog with one another. 
Secretary Pena and I have spoken recently about this. I think 
we are going to meet later this week or next week again about 
this. Once we have that, we will do an analysis and go through 
a public notice and comment. At which point, we will then 
evaluate the comments and come to a conclusion.
    We share your desire to get this done expeditiously. We are 
doing it quicker than I think anyone imagined we would. 
However, there is this issue of more information.
    If you would like, we will explain the modeling.
    Senator Craig. No; I understand the modeling. In fact, I 
know more about this issue than I would like to know. What I am 
concerned about is timely action.
    Ms. Browner. Yes.
    Senator Craig. Because many of us believe what you are 
doing is duplicative of what has already been done. But we 
understand the political waltz that has to go on here to 
satisfy certain requirements. We also understand the 
criticality of public appreciation for safety and for 
completeness. I was of the latter, thinking that EPA did not 
necessarily have to have a role, but we played that game out 
with you all. We have given you that authority. We just cannot 
live with an extension of time that takes us well into 1998, 
with no certainty that we will even get there at that point.
    This facility, by most scientists' and engineers' 
knowledge, has been ready to open for several years. And it is 
a phenomenally costly environment we are dealing with.
    Ms. Browner. You have given us a responsibility to review 
this. We do take that seriously. We are doing it expeditiously. 
But in order to fulfill the responsibility of review, there are 
certain steps we will have to follow.
    Senator Craig. Yes.
    Ms. Browner. We are doing that as quickly as possible.
    Senator Craig. Have you, then, changed the time schedule, 
or do you feel you can stay on track when you are announcing 
now, in 1998?
    Ms. Browner. We believe we will be able to make what is 
called a completeness determination in the next couple of 
months. From that point, it would take us no more than 1 year 
to give you the certification.
    Senator Craig. Completeness by when, May 1998?
    Ms. Browner. No; this is a completeness for what DOE has to 
provide to us. A completeness determination will be done by the 
end of May.
    Senator Craig. Of this year?
    Ms. Browner. Yes.
    Senator Craig. 1997?
    Ms. Browner. Yes.
    Senator Craig. And then another year following that, into 
1998?
    Ms. Browner. At the most, it will take us 1 year.
    Senator Craig. At the most. OK.
    Ms. Browner. We are required to go through a public notice 
and comment period. The comment period will be 120 days.
    Senator Craig. And it was with that sensitivity, 
Administrator Browner, that this Congress acted 1 year ago, 
suggesting that you do parallel tracking to speed up the time.
    Ms. Browner. We are doing that.
    Senator Craig. You are doing that?
    Ms. Browner. As DOE makes information available, we analyze 
it. So we are moving parallel.
    Senator Craig. Well, we are going to two-track you on this 
and stay with you on it. My Governor has just written to the 
President. DOE is under a Federal court order to respond in a 
timely fashion.
    Ms. Browner. Yes; we are aware of that.
    Senator Craig. We expect them to comply. If they do not 
comply, I would not be surprised if my State would once again 
have to shut its borders to the movement of naval spent fuel. 
And that brings the ships at sea to a halt. I do not think you 
need that as your burden. I do not want that to happen. But my 
State is very insistent. They have waited long enough for this 
repository to open so that we can start a major movement of 
transuranic waste to a safe storage facility.
    Mr. Chairman, I am out of time?
    Senator Bond. Yes.
    Senator Craig. Thank you.
    Senator Bond. I think Senator Boxer. said she had just a 
few minutes. So let me turn to Senator Boxer..
    Senator Boxer. Yes; I have 3 minutes. I will be glad to 
yield.
    Senator Craig. No; why don't you go ahead, Senator, and 
then I will come back with one more question.

                             METHYLBROMIDE

    Senator Bond. I will come back to you, Senator.
    Senator Boxer. Five minutes ago I had to be somewhere, but 
I will be fast.
    Mr. Chairman, there is a river on the Mexico-California 
border called New River. It is one of the most polluted in the 
entire world. And I know you smiled when you thought about 
going up to Vermont to see the beautiful lake. I would not even 
want to take you down there. I hope that we can make some 
progress on this cleanup. I went down there to look at it, and 
it just bubbles up filth and dirt and foam and chemicals. And 
the good people who go in there to try and clean it up or to do 
any sort of river work have to wear astronaut's gear. And it is 
extraordinary.
    I went down there. I was promised EPA would clean it up. 
And they have begun to do that. I just want to make sure that 
you are still committed to this cleanup and that this year we 
will see some more cleanup done there.
    Ms. Browner. Absolutely.
    Senator Boxer. Excellent. And I would hope that I could go 
back there and see a little less filth. Because it was an 
experience you could never, ever, ever forget. So I am going to 
take you up on that and monitor that.
    In terms of methylbromide and the ozone layer and all the 
problems, because I represent such a diverse State, we have so 
much agriculture. There are countries that will not take 
produce that has not had methylbromide sprayed on it. My 
question is, how are we doing in the search for substitutes? 
Because there is no way anybody that I know of is going to do 
away with one product the world is still using, and then we 
cannot ship our produce anywhere. So how are we doing? Do we 
have a commitment to search for substitutes to methylbromide?
    Ms. Browner. Yes; and there have been dollars made 
available through the EPA budget to form groups out in the 
field that are looking at how to manage in terms of moving away 
from the use of methylbromide. The Department of Agriculture 
has had almost $55 million over the course of a 3- or 4-year 
period, which looks at alternatives in doing its work.
    We are still working in this area, and appreciate all of 
the cooperation we are receiving both at the State and local 
level and from the farming organizations across the country.
    Senator Boxer. So what is your commitment to finding a 
substitute?
    Ms. Browner. We all want to find a substitute. The work is 
underway. We are working diligently. The Department of 
Agriculture industry is working diligently to find a 
substitute. Everyone wants to find a substitute.
    Senator Boxer. I am just saying that unless we do that, we 
are not going to phase out methylbromide until we have a 
substitute. That is my own particular view. I just think that 
is a prevailing view, period. Because there is no point in it, 
when you have got everybody else using it, unless we have a 
substitute that works. It is a real crisis situation for our 
farmers.
    Ms. Browner. I do not think anyone, scientists, the 
scientific community or otherwise is suggesting that there will 
be one alternative to methylbromide in all of its many uses. 
There has been some progress made in the varieties of pest 
control tools which can manage pests currently controlled with 
methylbromide. It does take a series of steps. But work will 
continue in finding a substitute. There is a tremendous amount 
going on there.

                            SOUTH LAKE TAHOE

    Senator Boxer. Mr. Chairman, last point. I look forward to 
working with you on my South Lake Tahoe export pipeline. I know 
there were reasons why we could not resolve that problem. And 
members of Congress and I are very concerned. If we want to 
avoid a catastrophic bill and serious harm to Lake Tahoe, I 
hope we can work together this year. So I look forward to 
working with you on what you think is the right approach. And I 
want to thank you so much for your courtesy.
    Senator Bond. Senator Boxer., let me emphasize that the 
concerns that you bring are very important concerns. We look 
forward to working with you and the EPA to address the New 
River concern, methylbromide, and South Lake Tahoe. These are 
all very important issues, and very valuable members of this 
committee bring to our attention. I think Senator Leahy has 
already achieved success. Some of the rest of us have farther 
to go.
    And now, turning back to another issue that is very 
important to this committee, as well as to the distinguished 
Senator from Idaho, Senator Craig.

                              WIPP REVIEW

    Senator Craig. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.
    Administrator Browner, I just have a couple of additional 
questions that are reasonably short. But let me suggest to you 
that May 1998 as a time line that gets talked about for the 
opening of the WIPP facility in Carlsbad is an unacceptable 
time line for this Senator and for a good many members of 
Congress, and we would much prefer you try to find a date 
earlier than that.
    Now, we understand the process you have to go through, and 
that is why the Congress acted with the urgency that it did 1 
year ago--knowing that we did not want to shortcut the process, 
we just wanted to engage you along the way at a quicker time 
than would otherwise play out if there was not an expression of 
urgency as it relates to this environmental concern.
    Ms. Browner. Senator, if I might, for the record, provide 
for the record, a list of what we have been doing on the 
parallel track. That might be helpful.
    Senator Craig. I would appreciate that.
    [The information follows:]


                 WIPP: EPA Activity on Site Evaluation
    The Waste Isolation Pilot Plant (WIPP) Land Withdrawal Act (LWA), 
as amended, requires that EPA make a determination as to whether WIPP 
meets the Radioactive Waste Disposal Regulations at 40 CFR Part 191. 
The LWA requires that EPA make this determination by rulemaking under 
Section 553 of the Administrative Procedures Act (APA). This 
requirement imposes certain procedural and substantive obligations upon 
the Agency in making this determination. EPA is currently proceeding 
with rulemaking activities in accordance with the provisions of the 
WIPP Compliance Criteria at 40 CFR Part 194.
    EPA is taking every step to facilitate the certification decision 
with the Department of Energy (DOE) since the original application was 
submitted on October 29, 1996. Almost weekly over the past six months, 
the Agency has been sending people to New Mexico to work with DOE and 
their science advisor, Sandia National Laboratory. EPA is reviewing 
their extensive records to ensure that the Agency understands what was 
done, and that DOE understands our concerns and information needs 
required to fulfill the regulations.
    EPA has completed its review of the original application which DOE 
submitted on October 29, 1996. EPA has sent DOE three requests for 
additional information to fulfill the regulatory requirements of 40 CFR 
Part 194. The first letter, sent on December 19, 1996, identified 
completeness and technical sufficiency issues and identified required 
information that was not included; the second letter, sent on February 
18, 1997, provided clarification for resolving an issue raised in the 
December 19, 1996 letter regarding Sandia National Laboratory's record 
center; and the third letter, sent on March 19, 1997, identified 
technical sufficiency issues requiring additional information to 
fulfill the regulatory requirements. EPA believes that the information 
requested in these letters is absolutely essential for the Agency to be 
able to make a certification determination that withstands the scrutiny 
of a reviewing court under the Administrative Procedures Act (APA).
    While DOE was fulfilling the December 19, 1996 request, the Agency 
continued its extensive review of the application. EPA met with key 
stakeholders to provide them an opportunity to inform the Agency of 
their comments early in the process, and held a series of public 
hearings to solicit additional public comment. Since that letter was 
sent, DOE has been periodically submitting responses to the requests 
and the Agency has been reviewing those as quickly as possible once 
received.
    Following the close of EPA's public comment period on DOE's 
application on March 17, 1997, and while DOE is responding to the 
remaining information requests, the Agency is, in parallel, drafting 
sections of its proposed certification rulemaking where we have 
sufficient information. The Agency will continue to draft proposed rule 
sections as DOE submits information to fulfill the requests in the 
above mentioned letters.
    In addition, the Agency is reducing the complexity and amount of 
time required for internal Agency review of the certification decision. 
EPA will propose to the Office of Management and Budget to expedite the 
time required for interagency review required under Executive Order 
12866.
    Accomplishing all this work in parallel will allow the Agency to 
publish a proposed rule 2\1/2\ months after DOE submits all the 
information required to fulfill the requirements of 40 CFR 194 (as 
identified in the March 19, 1997 letter from EPA to DOE). Following 
proposal, a four month public comment period will begin as required by 
40 CFR 194.62. Upon completion of the public comment period, EPA will 
need 3\1/2\ months to accomplish an expedited rulemaking process 
including responding to public comments, completing the technical 
support, drafting the final rule and completing the intra- and 
interagency review [see schedule below]. In total, it will take the 
Agency 10 months to complete the final certification decision once DOE 
has submitted the required information.

             EPA Schedule for a WIPP Certification Decision

                                                                    Days
EPA Analysis of DOE Final Submission, Complete Proposal and 
    Technical Support.............................................    44
Expedited Intra/Interagency Review Process........................    31
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                        ________________________________________________
      Total.......................................................    75

    EPA will propose the certification decision 2\1/2\ months after the 
last piece of information required to fulfill the requests in the March 
19, 1997 letter is received.
                                                                    Days
Public Comment Period.............................................   120
Respond to Comments, Finalize Technical Support Documents and 
    Complete Final Rule...........................................    74
Expedited Intra/Interagency Review Process........................    31
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                        ________________________________________________
      Total.......................................................   225

    EPA will complete final rule on certification decision 7\1/2\ 
months after the proposed rule, which is 10 months after DOE submits 
the last piece of information to fulfill the requests in the March 19, 
1997 letter.

                        NATIONAL MINING STRATEGY

    Senator Craig. I think the citizens of my State would 
greatly appreciate that.
    Could you please explain to me what your Agency is doing in 
the area of developing a national mining strategy? Now, I say 
this with this concern--because I know that your Agency is 
involved. What is your authority for this work? And what have 
been your expenditures to date in this area? And the third 
question would be, what is your budget request for fiscal year 
1998 as it relates to your participation in a national mining 
strategy of this administration?
    Ms. Browner. As you pointed out, there are many other 
Federal agencies and departments that have a role to play in 
mining activities in the United States. Our focus is largely 
threefold. First, we look at the impacts on water quality, 
second, impacts on air quality issues, and finally, impacts on 
waste issues.
    If I might, with the leave of the chairman, ask Bob 
Perciasepe, who is the Assistant Administrator for Water, to 
speak to what we are doing in this area. He has been taking the 
lead within EPA on the interagency work.
    Senator Bond. We welcome Mr. Perciasepe.
    Mr. Perciasepe. Thank you. For the record, I am Bob 
Perciasepe, Assistant Administrator, Office of Water.
    Senator Craig. You probably better come up, Bob, and use 
the microphone.
    Mr. Perciasepe. Yes; I am coming up so that they can hear 
me.
    Senator, as the Administrator said, EPA has a number of 
programs which impact the mining industry, Superfund, RCRA, the 
Clean Water Act, and the Clean Air Act. We are working inside 
the Agency to try to make sure that those efforts are 
coordinated. We are also reaching out to the mining industry, 
to the States and to others as to how a strategy might be 
pulled together.
    I would say that our expenditures are just nominal, ongoing 
staff work to come up with a strategy. We have not finalized 
the strategy yet. We had a meeting just a couple of weeks ago, 
with a couple of the assistant administrators, to talk through 
what the staff has found. We have shared their findings with 
outside stakeholders.
    What the long-term consequences of a strategy would be 
inside EPA's coordination, and then with the other agencies has 
yet to be determined. There is not a specific budget request in 
1998, other than our ongoing work, which we have many programs 
that impact mining. Thus, we think it is a good idea to try to 
coordinate our efforts and to do it with the industry.
    Senator Craig. I appreciate the need to coordinate. I 
believe mining is an important industry of our country, but it 
has to be done in an environmentally sound and safe way. We are 
on the verge of overkill--not in the cleanliness--current rule 
and regulation is doing quite well there. The problem is that 
we have mines operating in Idaho that now have as many as 10 
Federal and State agencies overviewing them. They spend all of 
their time with Federal or State agencies and no time 
underground. And I know of three State agencies, so that leaves 
five to six Federal agencies.
    We really do not need that kind of excessiveness. And a 
coordinated strategy that allows certain agencies to do that, 
and has the capability of playing dual roles, as long as there 
is reasonable oversight, makes good sense. And I am less 
critical of your expenditure and more interested in the work 
you get done to get a strategy, so that we can move away from 
this kind of regulatory overburden that is very close to being 
excessive. We have a tremendous exodus from our shores right 
now of the industry for a lot of reasons. This happens to be 
one of the reasons.
    Now, that is perfectly satisfactory to some people. But 
when I see thousands of high-paying jobs leaving our country 
and our mineral and metals base leaving our country, and 
Government cannot get its act together, that is an additional 
concern that I think we have got to deal with. So I am 
concerned and I am very interested in the dollars and cents you 
spend, and the fact is that you have a targeted effort at 
getting the job done.
    Ms. Browner. Senator, if we might, we would be more than 
happy to keep you informed on both the work we are doing 
internally and across the administration, in the coordinated 
strategy. However, I think equally important is the work across 
the administration. The administration recognizes that you have 
a variety of Federal agencies and departments that get a piece 
of this, in looking at it more broadly. We would be more than 
happy to keep you informed as we proceed.
    [The information follows:]

                        Mining Strategy: Status

    Addressing the environmental impacts of mining activities requires 
the coordination of a number of statutory authorities under which EPA 
operates, as well as extensive coordination with other Federal agencies 
with jurisdiction in the mining area. The principal environmental 
statutes that EPA has used to regulate releases to the environment as a 
consequence of mining over the last decade are the Clean Water Act 
(CWA) and the Comprehensive Environmental Response, Compensation, and 
Liability Act (CERCLA). The Resource Conservation and Recovery Act 
(RCRA) has been used by the Agency to examine the environmental impacts 
of mining. In addition, EPA's role in the National Environmental Policy 
Act (NEPA) process has been important in mine site evaluation and 
planning.
    In an effort to better address the statutory and regulatory 
complexities involved in mining activities, EPA's former Deputy 
Administrator, Robert Sussman, directed EPA's Office of Water in 1994 
to lead a multi-program, cross-organizational workgroup to draft an 
Agency-wide mining framework. The workgroup was comprised of staff from 
EPA's Regional offices, the Office of General Counsel (OGC), the Office 
of Solid Waste and Emergency Response (OSWER), the Office of 
Enforcement Compliance and Assurance (OECA), and other affected 
programs.
    Currently in a Final Draft Form, the Hardrock Mining Framework 
identifies recommendations that will help EPA implement a multi-media, 
multi-statute approach to dealing with the environmental concerns posed 
by hardrock mining. The Framework focuses on understanding and 
improving the use of existing EPA authorities with a clear recognition 
of the role of other stakeholders. Building effective working 
relationships with other mining stakeholders is a key element of EPA's 
efforts to improve the effectiveness of its own programs. In developing 
the Framework, EPA solicited input from a number of mining 
stakeholders, including other Federal agencies, States, Tribes, local 
government, industry, and environmental groups.
    While the Agency continues to work to improve coordination within 
the Agency, EPA also recognizes the importance of working in 
conjunction with other Federal and State agencies to address the 
environmental concerns posed by hardrock mining. One example where 
interagency coordination is presently taking place is an effort to 
develop an interagency strategy to address abandoned mine sites on 
federally managed lands. The workgroup is comprised of staff from EPA, 
Department of Interior, and Department of Agriculture. The Agency 
agrees that any future efforts will require a similar level of 
coordination among affected parties.

                     NEW LEGISLATION IMPLEMENTATION

    Senator Craig. Mr. Chairman, one last comment to the 
Administrator, because I think she understands the urgency of 
it. But I want her to know that there are a lot of Senators who 
are watching, and appreciate the urgency of it.
    As you know, last year, with the Food Quality Protection 
Act, we, in essence, abolished the Delaney clause and, at the 
same time, recognize that there were new standards that needed 
to be set for the protection of food, food quality, crop 
production, and all of that. I will be submitting a number of 
questions for the record for you to respond to, so that we can 
keep this thing on track. What we do not need is 2 or 3 years 
of reg writing, and keeping an industry in limbo.
    It took us two decades here to get to a proper handling of 
the Delaney clause. We think we have done it. And now we need a 
new mode of operation for what I think we all recognize is 
probably one of the most important industries of our country to 
produce a quality food product of the kind that it does, and to 
be able to do that in a competitive environment. I think 
Senator Boxer.'s references are a part of all of that concern 
that we get it done and that we have scientifically acceptable 
tolerance levels for crop production, and that we are able to 
respond to it.
    So, Mr. Chairman, I will be submitting some questions to 
the record that we will send to the Administrator.
    Senator Bond. Thank you very much, Senator Craig. We will 
keep the record open for those questions. I will have a number 
of my own.
    Madam Administrator, do you have a response?
    Ms. Browner. Yea; just one just very briefly. I might call 
the attention of the Senator to the fact that in the budget 
request before you, we are asking for additional dollars to 
honor the implementation activities that we think are necessary 
to keep on track and stay on schedule with both the Food 
Quality Act and drinking water. In fact, we ask that we be 
allowed to spend $35 million just for the implementation of the 
new Food Quality Act. That does not speak to the other 
components of our pesticide program, only to the 
implementation. Similarly, we ask that we be allowed to spend 
$48 million in drinking water.
    In both instances, these are dramatic increases off of the 
base from the prior year.
    Senator Craig. Thank you.
    Ms. Browner. As far as I know, we have not missed any 
deadlines and any statutory deadlines under either of these 
statutes. We are on time.
    Senator Craig. And we do not want you to.
    Ms. Browner. Neither do we. I would just point out to you 
that we are not asking for new dollars. We have redirected them 
internally.
    Senator Craig. Yes; I understand that.
    Ms. Browner. We have looked at things that we do not think 
we should be doing anymore, and we have moved them over so we 
can honor the commitments that we have all made under these 
statutes.
    Senator Craig. Thank you.
    Senator Browner. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

                       NAAQS: STATE GRANT REQUEST

    Senator Bond. Thank you very much, Madam Administrator.
    Let me turn now to some other areas. We talked earlier 
about the proposed standards for ozone and PM fine 
particulates, and you talked about the importance of this. 
There is that one study, which has been discussed, that 
suggests averting 20,000 premature mortalities. I am concerned 
that your budget does not reflect the commitment to carrying 
out the air quality standards. There is only a 3-percent 
increase for grants to the States to administer the air 
program.
    We have talked about the importance of the States in this 
process. And if there is to be a major task of the magnitude 
envisioned by these new standards, do you think that an 
inflationary-only increase in the air grants to the States 
would be adequate to implement it?
    Ms. Browner. In fact, in terms of the money to the States 
for their air work, there are some redirects. Thus, in the case 
of fine particles, the recognition that we will all need to 
install a fine monitoring network we do provide for an increase 
in funding. I believe, we provide $11.2 million to the States 
under the statute. We provide a match of approximately $7 
million. We can detail for you how we take into account what 
may be required of the States--when we reach a final decision 
on the proposed standards.
    Senator Bond. Well, some of the moneys that you are 
reprogramming, are they not for programs that are still 
required under the Clean Air Act? I mean if you are talking 
about shifting some money around to deal with perhaps the 
particulate matter standards, as I understand it, you are 
talking about taking away from other programs.
    Ms. Browner. Here is an example of where, quite frankly, we 
have made some progress and we do not need to continue the same 
level of funding. It is the toxic air emissions and the MACT 
standard work. We are recommending a redirection in excess of 
$1 million. We are on target to do the work we are supposed to 
do under the Clean Air Act. We have sort of caught up with the 
backlog. Thus, we are recommending to Congress a redirection 
from that program to other higher-priority areas.

                                 CWSRF

    Senator Bond. Turning now to the clean water State 
revolving funds, the only major disinvestment EPA is proposing 
for fiscal year 1998 is the clean water State revolving funds. 
I spoke with Mr. Perciasepe at hearings last year. I commend 
him on the progress we are making. And I expressed my interest 
in seeing that we move forward on this program. It works 
effectively. There is a tremendous need for the dollars. EPA's 
own estimate of the cost of needed wastewater treatment 
construction is about $140 billion nationwide.
    Could you tell me why EPA chose to cut the program by 20 
percent, $275 million? And can you put to rest the rumors that 
the program was cut as an offset to the increase in Superfund?
    Ms. Browner. It was not cut as an offset to anything. Our 
commitment has been to see this very, very successful State 
revolving fund revolve at $2 billion. That was the President's 
commitment when he took office. It is in excess of what 
President Bush committed to in his work on clean water, because 
we think there should be a Federal cost share in these 
programs.
    In fiscal year 1998, the amount of money that will be in 
the clean water funds across the country will be $25 billion. 
This program is reaching a level of maturity, and we should all 
be proud of that. Money has been lent out. It is being repaid. 
The bonds have been leveraged. More money is coming in. The 
State matches are in. Thus, the size of these funds has grown 
dramatically. With the budget request we make, we are on track, 
to honor the revolving level at $2 billion, and to see the very 
important projects for which this money goes be successfully 
completed.
    Senator Bond. Well, that does not answer my point. Because 
we know there--as I said, there is $140 billion worth of needs. 
I think we were looking at a target of--was it $10 billion, I 
think, that we--excuse me, I was thinking of the drinking water 
fund.
    Ms. Browner. Yes.
    Senator Bond. But there are 140 billion dollars' worth of 
needs out there, and your outyear projections shows the funding 
going along, being cut and then going back up in fiscal year 
1999. Why does that make sense? I mean, granted, there is a lot 
of money in the pipeline. There is supposed to be a lot of 
money in the pipeline. It is supposed to be paid back, because 
there is such a need. Why the dip in the funding and then 
reinstatement of the funding request later?
    Ms. Browner. What you are seeing is a growth in the total 
dollar amounts available in each State to be loaned for the 
construction. The percentage of funds made up from the Federal 
appropriation is decreasing. This is because other things are 
coming into play. The size of the fund is growing, but you do 
have State matches. You have the leveraged bonds, which have 
grown dramatically. We would be more than happy to provide 
information for the record, to show you that given what the 
States have available to do the job, there is a growth in the 
dollars out there.
    It is a success story that we should all be proud of. It is 
not only a success story from the Federal Government's point of 
view. The States have done an important piece of this. In 
addition, local governments are, in fact, repaying the fund so 
other local governments can now get a loan.
    [The information follows:]

                    CW-SRF Fiscal Year 1998 Funding
    The attached charts show: (1) the projected cumulative 
capitalization of the Clean Water SRF through fiscal year 1998 and 
associated loan activity; (2) the relative contribution of the various 
components of SRF capitalization for 1990, 1992, and 1996; and (3) 
projected cumulative financial assistance provided by the Clean Water 
SRF through the year 2026 (in constant 1996 dollars).

SRF CUMULATIVE CAPITALIZATION AND LOAN ACTIVITY--REPORT YEAR ENDING JUNE
                                   30                                   
                         [In billion of dollars]                        
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                                                    Cumulative          
               Fiscal year               -------------------------------
                                          Capitalization       Loans    
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1992....................................               9               7
1993....................................              11               8
1994....................................              15              11
1995....................................              19              14
1996....................................              22              17
1997 \1\................................              23              20
1998 \1\................................              25              23
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Note: Dollars not adjusted for inflation                                


            SRF CAPTILIZATION--REPORTING YEAR ENDING JUNE 30            
                     [Percentage of Capitalization]                     
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                                                      Fiscal year       
                                              --------------------------
                                                 1990     1992     1996 
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Interest earnings............................  .......        1        4
Loan principal repayments....................  .......        1        5
Leveraged bonds..............................       14       22       25
State match..................................       16       14       12
Federal capitalization grants................       70       62       54
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    Senator Bond. I agree with all of that. But does your 
budget not project more money in fiscal year 1999 to go into 
the clean water revolving fund?
    Ms. Browner. Yes; it does show an increase.
    Senator Bond. OK. You are just taking it down this year and 
bringing it back up next year. That does not seem to be a 
normal phaseout to me.
    Ms. Browner. Mr. Chairman, if I might. On the question of 
the $100 million, which you have mentioned several times, was 
it taken from this fund to fund Superfund? It was not.
    If you look at the increases in water across the Agency, 
what you see is that we have made some important increases to 
provide the water quality necessary to this country. For 
example, we have moved money to allow us to deal with the Safe 
Drinking Water Act Amendments, the new legislation, to increase 
nonpoint-source funding, to do the work with the States on the 
total maximum daily loading. What you see are some 
redirections.
    At the end of the day, I think the question for all of us 
is, are we making the most sensible use of dollars in terms of 
what the States need to be doing and what we do in partnership 
with the States? There are some redirections in our budget, 
because we have some new requirements that Congress has 
directed us to undertake that we agree with, that we think are 
important, and that we had to fund. That is what we did in our 
budget.

                      GPRA: BUDGET PRIORITIZATION

    Senator Bond. Moving on to the planning and budgeting area. 
NAPA recommended EPA overhaul its budget process to allocate 
resources to highest-risk-based priorities. And as I said, Mr. 
Hansen testified about EPA's proposed system. He stated ``the 
new system would be in place to formulate the 1998 budget.'' Is 
it in place? Can you point to some specific examples, how it 
impacts the 1998 budget, and does it result in a risk-based 
reprioritization of activities across the agency?
    Mr. Hansen. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Yes, we believe that it has been implemented. Obviously, it 
is still in the process of full implementation. However, we 
have, in fact, made numerous decisions throughout the Agency's 
budget, in preparation for 1998 and will continue to do so. 
This is a key part of our effort to be able to set long-term-
priority goals, to be able to have multiyear goals and annual 
goals, and to be able to build a prioritization process to 
better reflect the very priorities at the highest-risk areas 
and the highest areas of need.
    This fits very well within that context and the Government 
Performance and Results Act [GPRA]. Also, we believe that the 
efforts we have underway, comply with GPRA. The Administrator 
and I believe these are steps that we ought to be taking with 
or without GPRA. This is being accomplished through our new 
structure. Sallyanne Harper, our Acting Chief Financial Officer 
who is here at the table, has established the process for being 
able to plan, analyze, and to hold accountable our systems.

                     RISK DECISIONS IN 1998 BUDGET

    Senator Bond. I will return to Senator Craig, but I have 
one followup question on this.
    How does your Agency's decision to increase the Superfund 
Program by 50 percent and the climate change action plan by 73 
percent reflect this budget discipline which was supposed to be 
imposed and you said it is imposed on planning, budgeting, and 
accountability? Do not the dollars spent on Superfund provide 
significantly less opportunity for risk reduction compared to 
other EPA programs?
    Mr. Hansen. Mr. Chairman, first, regarding Superfund, and 
having been one of the authors of the Reducing Risk Report that 
came from the Science Advisory Board, this report is oftentimes 
one of the things that is referenced in relationship to whether 
Superfund is the highest risk.
    We have concluded that when one looks at risk, one needs to 
look at it both from the standpoint of the citizens who are 
directly affected and those who are closest to that site. To 
them, it is a very high risk, as opposed to being able to look 
across the whole of other environmental priorities. The 
commitment we, as an administration, have is an obligation and 
a need to be able to move ahead on those very sites that are, 
in fact, directly affecting 1 in 4 Americans that live within 4 
miles of a Superfund site.
    In terms of greenhouse gases and our climate change action 
plan, we believe very strongly that the voluntary programs that 
are included within a good, nonnormal, command and control, 
regulatory, nonregulatory in the traditional sense program 
addresses a very real issue that needs to be moved forward. 
Consequently, it has. I think many people, certainly, the 2,500 
scientists and others would agree is one of the most pressing 
of problems and one of the highest of environmental priorities.
    Senator Bond. Are you telling me that the risk to the 
people living in the vicinity of Superfund sites is a real and 
significant scientifically based risk, or is it a perception of 
the problem?
    Mr. Hansen. Mr. Chairman, of the Superfund sites, 60 
percent have documented health effects associated with those 
sites and 40 percent have potential health effects associated 
with the direct contamination from those sites. So yes, it is 
clearly a direct, not a perceived health effect.
    Obviously, one must look at each site to determine how 
serious the risk actually is. However, there are direct 
documented health effects associated with those Superfund 
sites.
    Senator Bond. Well, I think I would like to see that system 
and see how you have----
    Mr. Hansen. We would be happy to.
    Senator Bond. But I have already asked for the listing of 
the project sites. We want to know where there are specific 
scientifically identified risks and how you came to those 
conclusions and those recommendations.
    Mr. Hansen. Certainly.
    [Clerk's note.--The information on the Superfund can be 
found in the VA-HUD Subcommittee files.]

                               SALMON, ID

    Senator Bond. Senator Craig.
    Senator Craig. Mr. Chairman, thank you.
    Carol, this is an observation more than it is a question, 
because it is a frustration. And it deals with the ozone and 
fine particulate matter standards that you are proposing. And I 
want to paint a picture for you, because it speaks to the 
application of the problem and the need for greater flexibility 
than you might have anticipated in some areas.
    I was recently in a community in Idaho called Salmon, ID. 
It is in Lemhi County. Lemhi County is as big as New Jersey, 
Rhode Island, Connecticut, and Delaware put together. And it is 
over 85 percent public land. In other words, undeveloped 
grasslands and timberlands. About one-half of it is national 
forests. This little community once had three sawmills and 
three tepee burners--open-air burning--and a burning operation 
out at the local city dump. None of those exist any more and 
have not existed now for a good number of years.
    And yet, under your new PM-2.5, they cannot meet the 
particulate standards without investing a tremendous amount of 
money--and, to them, a tremendous amount of money--we are 
talking of a community of 3,000 people and a county of ranchers 
widely dispersed. They cannot meet the standard without the 
expenditure of over $500,000. And that would largely go into 
the paving of streets and alleys in a city where many of the 
streets are gravel and alleys are gravel.
    Now, coupled with, is the new management by match--I call 
that Bruce Babbitt's new burn policy on forest lands, as 
management by match--they are even concerned that they would be 
out of compliance at increasing levels over an extended period 
of time if the Forest Service actually actively engages in some 
reasonable management by fire. And I accept that to some 
extent. But without that, by just moving the standards to where 
you are suggesting they go--and I am not disputing that--this 
city is out of compliance, this little community----
    Here is the addition of insult to the injury. I am told--
and I visited with the mayor at length about it--because he 
said it this way. He said,

    Senator, it is not that we do not want to comply. It is 
that I cannot ask my taxpayers to comply. I cannot ask for that 
kind of money to do that when we have other critical needs.

    Now, this is a community where health is not a factor. The 
greatest factor in health is that the nearest hospital of any 
high-level medical application is 150 miles away, over a 
mountain pass. And their concern about $500,000 expenditure for 
these particulate standards is wasteful, when they have lived 
all of their lives under these conditions. And, in fact, the 
conditions have dramatically improved over the last several 
decades because of the existing law.
    How do we solve that problem?
    Ms. Browner. I apologize. I am not familiar with this 
county. I am aware of some counties.
    Senator Craig. No; I did not expect you to be. But this is 
a typical example of many of the rural environments of the 
West, where dust is a normal part of the environment during 
certain periods of the year.
    Ms. Browner. I agree.

                                 PM-2.5

    Senator Craig. And then when you add to it auto traffic on 
gravel roads that have not been paved and will never be paved 
because it is economically unfeasible to pave them, and then 
you put in a rural community environment, we have got some 
problems. And then you add, on top of that, in the wintertime, 
heating by wood, and you have got bigger problems. Because 
wood, in an environment like that, where the forests are next 
door, makes all the right sense in the world for a form of 
space heating.
    Ms. Browner. What I would like to do, with your lead, is to 
look at the information we have on this particular area and to 
have our air expert sit down with some of your people and the 
city or the mayor.
    Senator Craig. Sure.
    Ms. Browner. We recognize that, in seeking to provide a 
level of public health protection for fine particles, PM-2.5 is 
tiny. However, it is almost as if we are talking about a new 
pollutant. The work that has been done on coarser particles, 
such as PM-10, is really work on a different sort of pollutant, 
thus PM-2.5 is tiny when compared to PM-10. However, the health 
data shows us that PM-2.5 can result in large numbers of 
premature death.
    In looking at how we will actually reduce the levels of 
pollution, we see that when we look nationally, that for about 
40 percent of the areas that might not today be able to meet a 
PM-2.5 standard, they would be able to do so through 
technologies that we have on line. These technologies are 
coming into place and some are already in place. For 60 percent 
of the areas, we are going to have to work literally area by 
area and community by community, to shape the appropriate plans 
and the strategies for reducing the pollution levels to meet a 
public health standard.
    We would be more than happy, we have done this with several 
other communities and States already, to sit down and 
understand better what are the particular sources or what may 
be the sources there, and then to look at what may be the cost-
effective, commonsense strategies.
    Senator Craig. Well, it is important to remember in these 
contexts, this is a community without smog. It does not exist.
    Ms. Browner. Yes; and PM is not smog.
    Senator Craig. It is a beautiful, open-air environment of 
probably what most citizens of our country, if they walked into 
it, would think they are in the wilderness and say, oh, my 
goodness, is not this a beautiful area.
    Ms. Browner. Yes.
    Senator Craig. And yet they still fall out.
    Ms. Browner. We are dealing with two different issues here. 
I do not believe that we think Idaho has an ozone problem. We 
think the concern is, as you stated originally, the fine 
particles.
    Senator Craig. Yes; it appears to be that would be the 
greater case.
    Ms. Browner. It is not the smog issue. It is the particle 
issue.
    Senator Craig. That is right.
    Ms. Browner. There is some good news in that, as you say, 
you do not have smog and you do not have an ozone problem.
    Senator Craig. Yes.
    Ms. Browner. I think we would tend to agree with that.

                             FINE PARTICLES

    Senator Craig. This community would rather spend $500,000 
on a helicopter for a life flight, so that they could really 
deal with human health and safety than to spend $500,000 paving 
roads that have been graveled for the last 50 years. They do 
not understand the problem. Because a community of that size, 
and as poor as that community is, has a choice, with limited 
dollars, they have to make some very real tradeoffs at times. 
What they are afraid is that they lose that flexibility.
    Ms. Browner. If we could just take one more moment, Mr. 
Chairman, and ask Mary Nichols, the Assistant Administrator for 
the Office of Air, who may know a little bit more about this 
particular situation than I know.
    Ms. Nichols. Well, I am not familiar with Salmon, ID.
    Senator Craig. No; I would not expect you to be.
    Senator Bond. Ms. Nichols, would you take a seat and speak 
into the microphone so that we can get that recorded. Thank 
you.
    Ms. Nichols. I am Mary Nichols, Assistant Administrator for 
Air and Radiation.
    I was just out visiting five Western States, along with the 
Director of the Western Governors' Association. I did not get a 
chance to go to Idaho.
    Senator Craig. Well, you are getting a sense, though, of 
our concerns, sure.
    Ms. Nichols. I have heard similar comments. Being from 
southern California, where we have windblown dust problems, I 
am very familiar with this issue, and it is a serious concern. 
A bit of good news, perhaps, is that, focusing on fine 
particles, which we believe are the ones which are more 
directly related to more serious health effects, in fact, 
eliminates most of the road dust concern. That is, the smaller 
particles generally are caused by automobiles and industrial 
pollution rather than by dust.
    Senator Craig. Yes.
    Ms. Nichols. However, there are areas where it simply is 
very difficult to find effective controls for the PM-10. We are 
looking, through a Federal advisory committee which 
Administrator Browner directed us to impanel, at whether there 
are some innovative ways we can implement the Clean Air Act. We 
are looking not only to find other technologies but, frankly, 
to find other ways to work with communities to develop plans to 
address their overall particulate and ozone problems in a more 
comprehensive and more cost-effective way.
    Some interesting ideas are coming out of that process. We 
would be happy to come and talk to your staff.
    Senator Craig. I would appreciate that. I mean Salmon is 
not unique. It is just a good example of a variety of 
communities of that character across the Western States that, 
on occasion, in a seasonal way, have problems. They have had 
those problems long before the human species existed there. But 
we happened along and then we put regulations on top of them. 
And then, all of a sudden, those regulations start costing real 
money, and in communities where their priorities conflict with 
those.
    Because they just cannot understand the value of that, when 
yes, 30 years ago, at certain times of the year, you had a bit 
of dust and you had a bit of smoke, maybe not by their own 
doing, but by the doing of Mother Nature or by others. And we 
have got to demonstrate some flexibility in those communities. 
Because there is no base of economy to justify them spending 
that kind of money. Or at least that is their guesstimate now, 
based on an early analysis of what this could mean to them.
    Ms. Nichols. Right. And we do fortunately have some time to 
actually work through those issues and try to get better 
information.
    Senator Craig. Great. Thank you.
    Mr. Chairman, thank you for your patience.

                              NAPA STUDIES

    Senator Bond. Thank you very much, Senator Craig.
    Administrator Browner, going back to the NAPA studies, 
which I like to do from time to time, that study found that EPA 
had no systematic way of performing program evaluations to 
determine what programs are accomplishing their stated goals 
and objectives, and that it was difficult to make rationale, 
informed budget decisions without it. I would be interested to 
know what EPA has done to establish a centralized routine of 
systematic program evaluation as part of the budget process.
    And I would be happy to hear from Deputy Administrator 
Hansen. That seems to be in his ball park.
    Mr. Hansen. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Again, I stress that Administrator Browner and I have felt 
that the concepts are contained within our planning, budget 
analysis, and accountability office, that they address those 
very issues that you have just referenced and that NAPA 
originally recommended. These are tremendously important. We 
believe that the absolute key to this type of work is being 
able to understand exactly what we are delivering in all of our 
program areas, and being able to evaluate that, being able to 
have that as an element of our budgeting.
    We are in the beginning stages of that process. We believe 
we have made very real progress. We have additional steps to 
take.

                           CSI AND PROJECT XL

    Senator Bond. Thank you.
    Let me turn now to project XL and the commonsense 
initiative. I expressed my concerns in the opening statement. I 
thought you might want to address those and find out what 
lessons you have learned over the last 2 years, why there have 
been so many problems, what specifically are you doing to see 
that the President's stated commitment to alternative 
compliance approaches is being carried out, and is there 
alternative compliance legislation needed?
    Ms. Browner. First, I want to speak to the commonsense 
initiative. The work on an industry-by-industry and sector-by-
sector basis has produced some very, very important results. It 
has not been without its difficulties, in terms of its history, 
the relationships between industry and local communities, State 
representatives and others. What we did for the first time ever 
was bring everyone together and build a level of dialog, a 
level of trust.
    I think you had suggested that the automobile and the 
petroleum industries had withdrawn from CSI. They have, in 
fact, committed to continue in the process. I am not suggesting 
that they may not want to revisit that at some point. Again, it 
is not without its challenges. However, we are very proud of 
the dialog and the work that is being done.
    Each of them is different. We took the time and the 
resources to bring in an outside evaluator to look at this 
program, to review whether or not this was working, what could 
make it better and what lessons were learned. The evaluator 
found and what the evaluator shared with us and the CSI council 
is that, in each instance, the individual sectors believe they 
are making progress. No two are alike, but then no two sectors 
are alike.
    So we are committed to continuing our sector-by-sector 
approach, building on the success of the dialogs on the work 
heretofore.
    In terms of project XL, we are actually doing the difficult 
work, on a project-by-project basis, of finding out how to go 
beyond current requirements, to actually get better 
environmental performance. We have projects that are now up and 
running, showing us that you can go further.
    I joined Intel in announcing their project. This is a 
facility that is literally acres. When we are done and when 
Intel and the community groups that are working together on 
this project are done, its emissions will be less than 1 
neighborhood gas station. This is not a small undertaking.
    In terms of legislation, I would encourage you, as I think 
you suggest that you are inclined to do, to look to E4E and the 
work that Bill Ruckelshaus is doing. We have been extremely 
active participants in that process. Fred Hansen, I think, has 
attended all of the meetings. I have spoken with Mr. 
Ruckelshaus on several occasions. We believe there is a real 
sense within that group of how to really fashion any 
legislative recommendations that may be forthcoming, and we 
would encourage all to await the outcome of that process.
    I think they are hoping to wrap up their work in the next 
several months. That is the target they are on. I know the last 
time I spoke to Bill Ruckelshaus, that was certainly what he 
thought was when they could be able to conclude their work.

                              E4E PROGRAM

    Senator Bond. I am very supportive of the E4E program. I 
have urged them to go forward. It is not my sense that they are 
going to come up with specific legislative proposals, but that 
they will come up with general principles. But nevertheless, 
whether they come up with proposals or not, and we are most 
anxious to see their report, the question to you is do we need 
alternative compliance legislation? Right now, you have got the 
ball.
    Ms. Browner. At this point in time, I do not think we need 
alternative compliance legislation, and I will explain why.
    Senator Bond. Well, the Amoco, you could not do the Amoco 
project in Virginia.
    Ms. Browner. Well, Amoco is a good example of the kind of 
analysis that you have to go through to understand the 
shortcomings of an individual statute. In the case of Amoco, I 
think the lessons learned from Amoco are demonstrated in Intel, 
where you actually were able to go out and figure out how to do 
something to speak to the air issues to get greater 
environmental progress, and to provide flexibility in exchange 
for that environmental progress. So we learned from Amoco.
    I would suggest to you that it is not accurate, and I do 
not think you are saying this but I think someone said this, 
that somehow or another Amoco shows you that the whole system 
is flawed. We learned from Amoco, and we have moved on from 
Amoco in a very real and concrete manner.
    What I think you did in drinking water in actually looking 
at an individual statute, understanding what the goals of that 
program are for the people of this country, and how best to 
provide appropriate flexibility will at the end of the day be 
the best way to deal with these challenges. Each of these 
statutes are fundamentally different. They seek to speak and 
look to fundamentally different challenges. I think trying to 
speak across them will prove to be all but impossible in the 
short run, and it may well be that E4E will give us some 
guidance and advice on how to do that. However, we will get the 
greatest progress in the new generation of environmental 
programs and solutions by going into the guts of existing 
statutes and working within them to craft the new solutions.

                             GREEN PROGRAMS

    Senator Bond. Well, I do not in any way downgrade or deny 
what apparently is and will be happening at Intel. I think that 
is great. The fact remains it is one of three out of 50 we were 
expecting, and we want to know--if you think there is no 
legislation necessary, then I would expect the pace to pick up 
very significantly. And I am asking the question do you need 
legislation, because something seems to be holding the program 
up. That is the reason I asked it.
    Let me move now to the green programs. The climate change 
action plan was issued in October 1993 to meet the goal of 
stabilizing greenhouse gas emissions at 1990 levels by year 
2000. As I understand it, the program was designed to reduce 
greenhouse gas emissions by 109 million metric tons of carbon 
equivalent relative to 1990 levels. Yet EPA has achieved only 
.6 MMTCE reduction through 1996. Given that 0.6 out of 109 
million goal, why do you think that we can make much more 
significant progress? Why should we provide additional 
assistance to that plan?
    Ms. Browner. When the President announced the 
administration's plan, the commitment, and the recognition were 
that if we would stabilize in the year 2000 at 1990 levels we 
would need a 110 million metric ton reduction. We will not make 
that. We will not make that in part because we have had growth. 
Thus, we actually need greater reductions than were originally 
forecasted. Also, we have not had the financial resources. We 
have not had the appropriation levels to allow us to do the 
kind of work that would have resulted in greater reductions. It 
is just that simple.
    We take the money that is appropriated in the Climate 
Change Action Plan Program and work in a variety of ways. Many 
are the kind of new generation tools that have been encouraged, 
that we have been encouraged to utilize in terms of forming 
partnerships with businesses and finding more commonsense, 
cost-effective solutions to pollution. We use that money to go 
out and do that work, and it does result in very real 
reductions in the kind of climate change gases and other things 
that we are worried about.
    Mary, do you have the specific numbers?
    Ms. Nichols. This is Mary Nichols again. The most recent 
assessment that has been done by the interagency group on this 
shows that if the full 1997 enacted levels are maintained that 
we would achieve 80 million metric tons by the year 2000. This 
is about 75 percent of what was originally projected to be 
needed. As the Administrator indicated, our estimates were 
wrong, because there has been more growth than was projected. 
However, we do project that if the funding that the President 
sought was restored that we could make up the 25 million metric 
ton shortfall by the year 2005. In other words, we would meet 
the goal that we had actually set for ourselves through the 
green programs based on what we are actually achieving today in 
terms of companies installing energy-efficient equipment.
    Senator Bond. But you would agree that to date reduction 
has been 0.6 in MMTCE?
    Ms. Nichols. Yes; that is just one of the programs of the 
total.
    Ms. Browner. There are many programs.
    Ms. Nichols. I am giving you the totals for the Climate 
Change Action Plan Green Program. One of those was the .6. I 
frankly cannot remember which one it was.
    Senator Bond. We would like to see the analysis.
    Ms. Nichols. Sure. We will be glad to provide that to you.
    [The information follows:]

               Greens Programs: Greenhouse Gases Removed
    The Administration's analysis of the full impact of the Climate 
Change Action Plan programs, which is being coordinated by CEQ, is 
still underway. Comprehensive, draft results will soon be completed, at 
which time they will be immediately provided to the Committee. At the 
same time, the results will be available for public comment via a 
Federal Register notice. It is expected that these results will be 
available before the end of May. After receiving comments and 
conducting any further analysis, the results will be finalized and 
published later this summer in the United States' second submission to 
the Framework Convention on Climate Change.
    Nevertheless, it is clear that EPA's partnership programs are 
successfully overcoming market barriers (such as the lack of reliable 
information) to investments in economically attractive technologies 
that reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Despite a 40 percent 
Congressional budget cut in fiscal year 1996 and fiscal year 1997, 
EPA's partnership programs prevented the emission of over 6 million 
metric tons of carbon equivalent, or mmtce during the past year, equal 
to the pollution from over 3 million cars. In the past year, program 
partners and consumers also saved over $750 million on their energy 
bills due to CCAP programs, helping to prove in yet another way that 
pollution prevention is a contributor to economic growth.
    It is the nature of these programs that their benefits will 
accumulate rapidly, now that solid foundations have been laid. Just as 
the pollution savings last year doubled the savings from the previous 
year, the pollution prevention from these programs is expected to 
double again in 1998. This is due to the more than 3,000 strong 
partnerships that EPA has formed with corporations, small businesses, 
universities, hospitals, utilities, and state and local governments.

    Senator Bond. We provided 96 million in 1996 and 86 million 
in 1997. You say with that we will get 75 percent of the way 
toward the goal?
    Ms. Nichols. Yes, that is right.
    Senator Bond. I would be interested in seeing that, thank 
you, if you would provide that analysis.
    Ms. Browner. Certainly.

                                 SBREFA

    Senator Bond. Madam Administrator, what specifically are 
you requesting for any additional requirements or burdens 
associated with the Small Business Regulatory Enforcement 
Fairness Act, known as SBREFA, or the Red Tape Relief Act.
    Ms. Browner. Each of what we would refer to as the large 
component programs, such as air, water, waste, pesticides, and 
toxic substances, have a responsibility under the law as they 
move through a rulemaking to comply with the small business 
aspects: bring the panels in where appropriate and work in 
partnership with the small business community. So those are 
managed in each of the program budgets.
    In addition, we have asked our Office of Policy, Planning 
and Evaluation to provide an across-the-Agency management of 
the requirements under SBREFA to ensure that we are doing 
everything that is important, not just in terms of the letter 
of the law, but in the spirit of the law. There is included in 
their budget a dollar amount of $200,000 or more to provide 
that coordination. That is in addition to what is in each 
programmatic area.

                              PEER REVIEW

    Senator Bond. Finally, in a recent report GAO was critical 
of EPA's implementation of the peer-review policy. GAO 
attributed the uneven implementation to inadequate 
accountability and oversight to ensure that all relevant 
products are properly peer reviewed, and confusion among EPA 
staff and management about what peer review is, its importance 
and benefits, and how and when it should be conducted.
    Ms. Browner, when you came into office you claimed peer 
review would be top priority. We agreed with that. You 
instituted a peer-review policy. Could you articulate precisely 
what the peer-review policy is, why its implementation has been 
uneven, why the top science official in the Agency, Dr. 
Huggett, was not the responsible official for the Agencywide 
implementation, and how will you ensure that adequate oversight 
of peer review is exercised?
    Ms. Browner. There are generally speaking, two ways in 
which peer review is important to the work we do at EPA. 
Obviously, within our Office of Research and Development the 
sort of traditional scientific analysis research done by the 
Agency peer review is extremely important. Under Dr. Huggett's 
leadership, that office has installed a peer-review policy that 
has been praised by many in the scientific community as taking 
our peer review to a new level.
    We also do science in our individual program areas. The 
Office of Water undertakes scientific analysis in conjunction 
with our Office of Research and Development. In some instances 
they do science beyond what our Office of Research and 
Development might be doing, particularly in the case of an 
individual rulemaking or regulatory action. This is true for 
all of the large programs such as air, waste, pesticides, and 
toxic substances.
    In each of those programmatic areas, we have also directed 
the development of peer-review programs to ensure that peer-
review panels are used where appropriate. Given the fact that 
we have these two general areas where peer review can occur, I 
felt it was important to have Fred Hansen provide the 
leadership across the Agency to ensure that we were using this 
very important tool of peer-review practices. My sense is, and 
if I might ask Mr. Hansen to speak more specifically, that when 
GAO looked at this what they found is within the Office of 
Research and Development a very good program, and a program 
that was up and running. GAO also feels that we needed to 
similarly bring along the programmatic peer-review programs, 
and that is what we have been focusing our efforts on.
    I might just point out that in fiscal year 1997 we had 231 
panels of scientists reviewing our work. They reviewed almost 
3,500 studies, just to show you how many times we are going to 
external peer review panels. This is no small undertaking on 
our part.
    Mr. Hansen. Just briefly, two things. First, we believe 
very strongly that if peer review is not done where the science 
is actually done we will not have as much engagement in exactly 
the best peer review and processes to ensure that the overall 
goals are achieved. That is why we believe it is important to 
have peer review done in all the places that science is done.
    Second, what the Administrator has just indicated has not 
happened within the program offices as well as we think is 
necessary. In January of this year, to be able to carry out the 
Administrator's requirement, I have asked Dr. Robert Nuggett, 
Assistant Administrator of the Office of Research and 
Development, to do two things. One, provide a level of training 
throughout the Agency to ensure that all of our people who are 
involved in science understand exactly what it is to be able to 
conduct all the details of peer review. Not because they did 
not have a general understanding of its process. Two, ensure 
that peer review is applied to all products that are worked on 
by the EPA, and if there are any deficiencies, that they are 
either worked out between Assistant Administrators, between Dr. 
Huggett and that Assistant Administrator, or brought ultimately 
to me for any resolution.
    We take peer review very, very seriously. We think that it 
is the backbone of our good science.

                            CLOSING REMARKS

    Senator Bond. Thank you, Mr. Hansen.
    Ms. Browner, we will leave the record open. If you have 
comments on the many points that were raised and not fully 
explored, we will have questions that we ask for you to respond 
to and would welcome any comments you have.
    In closing, I would note that it appears to me that if you 
are really applying a relative risk methodology to the budget, 
I just do not believe that Superfund would get a 50-percent 
increase. To me, let us be honest, I think this request is 
driven not by the merits but more by politics, because while 
the Superfund budget would increase dramatically, the clean 
water State revolving fund, a program which works well and for 
which tens of billions of dollars are needed, would be cut by 
$275 million----
    Ms. Browner. No; it is $100 million.
    Senator Bond. It released funds early in the year. It is 
$275 million. It is a cut, in any event.
    Ms. Browner. We will agree with you that $100 million was 
redirected. We would like to discuss with you the other $175 
million, because we do not understand where that number comes 
from, with all due respect.
    Senator Bond. Well, it is cut. We believe it is cut $275 
million.
    The GAO has found that Superfund is one of the 25 
Government programs which is high risk, subject to fraud, 
waste, abuse, and mismanagement. We look forward to working 
with you to reform a program which has been criticized for 
years, and when we get the reforms enacted I will be happy to 
talk with you about it. But as I note, even the States and the 
State officials responsible are skeptical that the dollars can 
be effectively and efficiently utilized.

                     Additional committee questions

    So we will continue to work on that, and before I close I 
ask unanimous consent of all of my colleagues on the committee 
to keep the record open to include testimony from the GAO on 
Superfund and NAPA related issues.
    Hearing no objection, it is so ordered. [Laughter.]
    [The following questions were not asked at the hearing, but 
were submitted to the Agency For response subsequent to the 
hearing:]

                  Questions Submitted by Senator Bond

                     SUPERFUND OUTYEAR PROJECTIONS

    Question. EPA's budget proposal assumes that 76 percent of the 
sites currently in the construction and design phases of the Superfund 
``pipeline'' would be completed by 2000, leaving less than 500 sites in 
the ``pipeline.'' Yet your outyear budget projections for fiscal year 
2000 through 2002 show $1.4 billion a year. Given that the number of 
sites left to be cleaned up would be cut in half, why is EPA projecting 
$1.4 billion outyear budgets?
    Answer. The Agency estimates that approximately 18 fund-lead 
remedial action starts will occur after the fiscal year 1998 and fiscal 
year 1999 accelerated cleanup initiative is completed in the year 2000. 
In addition, the Agency's budget estimates the Superfund program will 
list 30 sites per year on the National Priorities List (NPL). In other 
words, 30 sites per year are entering the Superfund ``pipeline'' which 
will result in more than 600 sites by fiscal year 2001. Resources at 
the current fiscal year 1997 level in 2000 and beyond will be necessary 
to maintain a steady progress of sites through the entire site 
remediation process.

                   SUPERFUND GAO REPORT ON HIGH RISK

    Question. In a February 1997 report, GAO reported that Superfund 
was a high risk program--vulnerable to mismanagement, waste, fraud and 
abuse. In light of GAO's high-risk designation, how could the Congress 
have any confidence that the funds you are requesting would be spent 
prudently and effectively?
    Answer. GAO's high risk report acknowledges EPA's efforts to 
correct past contract management problems and commends those efforts. 
Some of the contracts management improvements the Superfund program has 
made include: (1) reducing program management costs from a high of 20 
percent at the start up of the Alternative Remedial Contracting 
Strategy (ARCS) contracts to a national average of 8.4 percent for 
fiscal year 1995 and fiscal year 1996, (2) increasing management 
emphasis on obtaining independent government cost estimates and 
establishing improved cost tracking systems to provide better 
historical cost data bases, and (3) instituting improved invoice review 
processes. Over the past few years, EPA has focused increased attention 
on strengthening its management of Superfund contracts and will 
continue to do so in the future.

          SUPERFUND GAO REPORT ON CONTRACT MANAGEMENT WEAKNESS

    Question. GAO's recent report said ``although EPA has been 
addressing the weaknesses in contract management, the agency remains 
vulnerable to overpaying its contractors and not achieving the maximum 
cleanup work with its resources.'' GAO found that EPA pays its cleanup 
contractors a high percentage of total contract costs to cover 
administrative expenses rather than ensuring the maximum amount of 
available funds is going toward the actual cleanup. What plans does EPA 
have to address these contract management weaknesses?
    Answer. As discussed in the Agency's response to the GAO's high 
risk report, we take exception with many of GAO's findings. Our own 
internal regional reviews have shown that the agency has made 
significant strides to establish the practice in which independent 
government cost estimates (IGCE's) are performed for all work 
assignments and sufficient negotiation documentation exists in cases 
where costs different from those in the IGCE's are accepted. Additional 
actions we are taking in this area include sharing best practices and 
expertise in preparing IGCE's among the regions and instituting an 
improved cost tracking and reporting system under the Response Action 
Contracts (the follow on to the ARCS contracts). In addition, the high 
program management percentages cited by GAO were due in large measure 
to the lack of work assigned to these contractors in fiscal year 1996. 
Fiscal year 1996 was clearly an atypical year due to the budget 
situation and it is misleading to make projections based on this data. 
We continue to emphasize the need to control and minimize program 
management costs under all of our cleanup contracts and to monitor 
these costs very closely.

                        SUPERFUND DEOBLIGATIONS

    Question. In testimony provided for the record today, GAO states 
that $250 million in unspent obligations are potentially available to 
be recovered on over 6,000 completed work orders in the Superfund 
program. Once deobligated, these funds could be applied to ongoing and 
new cleanup activities. EPA's fiscal year 1997 and fiscal year 1998 
projections include only $50 million and $20 million, respectively, in 
deobligations. What accounts for the difference between EPA's projected 
deobligations of $70 million over the next two years, and GAO's 
estimate of $250 million?
    Answer. Differences in methodology account for the variances in 
EPA's and GAO's estimate of deobligations over the next two year. GAO 
assumes that all unliquidated funds in completed ``work orders'' are 
available for deobligation. GAO's estimate does not take into account 
the fiduciary reserves that EPA and States hold in their contracts to 
cover costs associated with contract closeout. EPA's deobligation 
estimate assumes that prudent reserves will be maintained to cover 
closeout costs. However, the Agency is working diligently to deobligate 
inactive funds where appropriate.

                    SUPERFUND PACE OF DEOBLIGATIONS

    Question. Why has EPA been slow to deobligate these funds? Couldn't 
your budget request be reduced by enhancing your efforts to deobligate 
the full $250 million available?
    Answer. The Agency has moved aggressively to deobligate inactive 
funds. In 1994, the Agency established a taskforce to promote prompt 
and effective deobligation of Superfund funds that had not been fully 
utilized. In the three full years of this deobligation effort, a total 
of $397 million have been deobligated (fiscal year 1994 $160 million, 
fiscal year 1995 $170 million, fiscal year 1996 $67 million). These 
efforts will continue in fiscal year 1997 with a special emphasis on 
expired contracts and grants. Due to fiscal year 1997 efforts and the 
need for fiduciary reserves to cover contract closeout costs, the 
majority of the contract dollars identified by GAO will not be 
available in fiscal year 1998.

                     SUPERFUND DEOBLIGATION EFFORT

    Question. What level of resources are you devoting to this 
deobligation effort, and how much do you need to deobligate the full 
amount available?
    Answer. The President's budget provides adequate resources to 
headquarters and regions to process all appropriate deobligations. The 
Agency has established a deobligation task force with representatives 
from five headquarters offices and all Regions and issued guidance on 
processing deobligations. The task force works with programmatic, 
contracting, grants, and finance personnel to process all appropriate 
deobligations. Due to the need for fiduciary reserves to cover contract 
closeout costs, the Agency does not believe an increase in personnel 
would result in deobligation of the full amount identified by GAO.

                    SUPERFUND CLEANUP: AVERAGE COSTS

    Question. EPA has claimed its administrative reforms result in a 20 
percent reduction in the cost of cleanups. Yet in the model EPA 
developed to support the requested level of resources, EPA used a 
pricing factor of the average cleanup cost for fiscal year 1987-95 with 
60 percent cost growth. Why would you have assumed such cost growth if 
in fact you are seeing 20 percent savings?
    Answer. The 20 percent cost savings is based on Record of Decision 
(ROD) estimates of construction costs. In calculating the average 
Remedial Action (RA) cost, the program applies a cost adjustment, a 
cost growth factor. The construction cost estimates in the ROD are made 
on average 3 years in advance of actual construction. Cost adjustments 
related to new information discovered during the design of the project 
and time are reasonable and standard engineering practice. This 
adjustment is a fixed percentage and would apply to any ROD estimate. 
It has no effect on the cost savings exhibited in the last several 
years worth of ROD estimates.

                SUPERFUND COST OF CLEANUPS CBO ESTIMATES

    Question. CBO tells my staff that the average cleanup cost (``ROD'' 
cost) for fiscal year 1994-95 was $5.6 million, and applying 20 percent 
cost growth would be appropriate, for a total cost of $6.72 million. 
Why, then, is EPA assuming a $10 million cost for remedial actions?
    Answer. The $10.0 million average remedial action cost figure was 
used because it represents the average of ROD estimates plus a cost 
growth for ROD's signed post the Superfund Amendments and 
Reauthorization Act of 1986. Applying a recent two year average of 
estimated remedial action costs would under estimate the resources 
required to complete construction at these sites.

                          SUPERFUND SITE DATA

    Question. EPA's budget estimates are based on the number of sites 
in the queue and historical cleanup costs, not real data on specific 
sites. Why?
    Answer. Budget estimates, which are based on real data, are used 
because it is difficult to say with certainty 18 months prior to the 
beginning of a fiscal year which specific sites will begin 
construction. Averages based on historical performance provide 
reasonable indicators for resource and time requirements.

                   SUPERFUND SITE DATA: RISK RANKING

    Question. Does EPA have a list of specific projects to be funded in 
fiscal year 1998, including a risk-based ranking, an estimated cost for 
each, along with a projected start-date?
    Answer. The Agency has a list of candidate sites with planned 
remedial action starts in fiscal year 1998. These sites have not yet 
been ranked using the Agency's risk ranking system. These sites do have 
planned start dates and cost estimates. It should be noted that the 
cost estimates would be used in generating the average remedial action 
cost used for the budget projection. A list and total cost estimate of 
the planned projects was provided to the Senate Appropriation's 
Committee staff on April 3, 1997.
    Question. If EPA does not yet have such a list, how can we be sure 
that EPA could actually spend the dollars requested?
    Answer. EPA does have a candidate list and a projection for the 
cost to complete construction. This list and a total cost estimate was 
provided to the Senate Appropriation staff on April 3, 1997. Site 
specific cost estimates were not provided due to the procurement 
sensitivity of the data.

                 SUPERFUND RISK-BASED PRIORITY SETTING

    Question. Would EPA continue to use its risk-based priority setting 
process in Superfund?
    Answer. Yes. The Agency intends to continue the risk ranking 
process to ensure that the worst sites are addressed first.
    Question. Given that virtually all sites ready to go to 
construction would be funded, why would this be necessary?
    Answer. While it is true that most sites would be funded, it is 
important that the Agency continue to address the highest risk sites 
first.

                         SUPERFUND STATE COSTS

    Question. States are required to put up 10 percent of the cleanup 
cost. Have you checked with the States to determine whether they could 
afford their share of the cleanup costs?
    Answer. The Agency is continuing to work with the States to address 
strategies for cost share on the candidate sites. Possible 
considerations, in lieu of lump sum payment, are phased payments and 
in-kind services.
            superfund fiscal year 1997 projected start dates
    Question. EPA projects there will be 58 sites in fiscal year 1997 
ready-to-go to construction, but unfunded because of budget shortfalls. 
However, about a third of these sites are not projected to be ready 
until the fourth quarter. Isn't it true that projected start-dates 
often slip?
    Answer. While projected start dates can slip, the Agency's best 
information indicates that the 58 sites will be ready for construction 
this fiscal year.

                SUPERFUND 900 SITES COMPLETION SCHEDULE

    Question. EPA has indicated the additional funds requested would 
enable it to complete 900 sites by the year 2000, instead of 650 
construction completes committed to in 1991. Over the life of the 
program, there have been about 423 construction completions to date. 
How will EPA achieve another 477 completions--more than the total 
number completed in 15 years--in less than three years?
    Answer. Current analyses of the Superfund site cleanup pipeline 
show that 147 sites are in design and 482 sites are in construction. 
This provides a universe of 629 sites that are potential candidates to 
achieve the 477 completions needed to reach the President's 900 
construction completion goal. With the resources requested over two 
years (fiscal year 1998 and fiscal year 1999), the Agency will be able 
to provide project managers and funding necessary to move these sites 
to construction completion.

                      SUPERFUND ADEQUATE STAFFING

    Question. Are there sufficient staff to manage and contracting 
capacity to carry out these additional cleanups?
    Answer. The President's Budget requests an additional 100 full-time 
equivalents (FTE) to support the 900 construction completions goal. 
This will provide the necessary staff to support the accelerated number 
of cleanups projected. Recently the Agency awarded a new set of 
remedial action contracts. These contracts provide ample contract 
capacity over the next five years to accommodate the estimated number 
of construction projects.
    Question. While EPA's budget indicates an additional 130 FTE would 
go to Superfund, I understand that the budget is adequate to fund only 
44 of those. How can you say you've requested enough staff to oversee a 
doubling of the program?
    Answer. The Superfund budget supports full funding of all FTE's.

                        SUPERFUND ATSDR FUNDING

    Question. Why isn't EPA requesting increases for the other agencies 
who support the Superfund program--such as the Agency for Toxic 
Substances and Disease Registry?
    Answer. Most of the increases are requested for cleanup activities 
that our other Federal agency partners don't perform. However, the 
Agency is requesting $6.0 million in funding for the Agency for Toxic 
Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR) to specifically support the 
President's 900 Superfund completion goal. ATSDR will address community 
concerns regarding how the implementation of cleanup designs affect 
their health ad surrounding environment. The other federal agencies do 
not play as active a role in remedial site cleanup. Their 
responsibilities focus on research, worker safety training, and 
emergency response. The President's 1998 budget requests total funding 
of $152.1 million for other Federal agencies who support the Superfund 
program.

             SUPERFUND REDUCED FUNDING AFFECT ON 900 SITES

    Question. If the Congress were to provide the $1.4 billion 
originally projected for fiscal year 1998, how many ``ready-to-go'' 
projects would carry into fiscal year 1999?
    Answer. The Agency expects to carry over 50 to 55 fund-lead sites 
from fiscal year 1997 to fiscal year 1998. Eighty fund lead projects 
are planned in the fiscal year 1998 budget. If the Agency's Superfund 
budget remains at the $1.4 billion level, it is estimated that over 100 
fund-lead sites will carryover into fiscal year 1999.

                            METHYL PARATHION

    Question. What is the status of EPA's efforts to cleanup homes 
contaminated by the illegal application of methyl parathion?
    Answer. As of April 18, 1997, the Agency was responding to 3,687 
homes with reported methyl parathion spraying. The Agency has sampled 
2,629 of the 3,687 homes, relocated 503 of the households, totaling 
2,239 residents. Of the 2,629 homes sampled, 57 are completely clean 
and 195 residents have been returned to their homes. Twenty-five 
businesses require cleanup of which 4 have been cleaned.
    Question. How much has been expended to date and how much 
additional funding will be required in fiscal year 1997?
    Answer. To date, the Agency has issued $33.0 million to address the 
cleanup of methyl parathion application. The Agency expects to issue 
another $32.0 million by the end of the fiscal year.
    Question. Some have questioned whether this activity is an 
appropriate use of the Superfund budget. Has EPA General Counsel made a 
determination on whether such expenditures are appropriate?
    Answer. The Agency's Office of General Counsel has concurred on all 
the decision documents prepared outlining the Agency's response to the 
methyl parathion public health.

                    METHYL PARATHION DELIBERATE USE

    Question. Some Louisiana residents have been accused of 
deliberately having their homes sprayed with methyl parathion ``to take 
advantage of a federal offer to renovate their homes,'' according to 
The Washington Post (March 10, 1997). Is this accurate?
    Answer. The EPA Office of Inspector General (OIG) has presented 
(April 16, 1997) three cases of suspected fraudulent claims relating to 
methyl parathion application to the U. S. Attorney's Office in New 
Orleans, Louisiana. The OIG is currently awaiting a prosecutive 
decision. There have been several arrests made by the EPA Criminal 
Investigations Division regarding the illegal application of this 
substance.
    Question. How will the costs associated with those emergency 
removals be recovered to the Superfund trust fund?
    Answer. The costs associated with the emergency removals will 
probably never be recovered to the Superfund trust fund. The 
individuals suspected of submitting fraudulent claims live well below 
the poverty level and are not likely to be subjects of Department of 
Justice (DOJ) civil actions. The OIG has been working with Agency 
officials to set up controls to identify fraud indicators and is 
providing the DOJ with the most egregious case identified to create a 
deterrent effect.

             EPA-STATE PARTNERSHIP: REGULATORY FLEXIBILITY

    Question. In President Clinton's 1996 state of the union address he 
said ``We must challenge business and communities to take more 
initiative in protecting the environment and we have to make it easier 
for them to do it.'' Yet EPA has taken the position that all requests 
for state regulatory flexibility projects must meet the criteria for 
superior environmental performance. Why? What incentive is there for 
attempting innovative regulatory programs if a fundamental requirement 
is superior environmental performance--as opposed to simply the most 
efficient and effective means of meeting environmental requirements?
    Answer. Although significant improvement has occurred over the last 
25 years in the U.S. environment, much remains to be done. In 
traditional regulatory program areas such as air and water, many areas 
of the country do not meet standards, and areas of environmental 
concern continue to grow. Given projected population growth and 
anticipated economic growth, continuous environmental improvement has 
become an approach that many companies and communities endorse--to 
ensure a sustainable future. For example, the three companies that have 
signed Project XL agreements have identified ``win-win'' solutions for 
both the company and the environment, agreements through which an 
innovative approach can achieve superior results and also save money 
for the company. The Aspen Project, a broad-based consensus effort, 
concluded that requiring superior environmental performance in exchange 
for regulatory flexibility in Project XL was the best way to achieve 
sustainable development.
    Many opportunities exist to improve environmental protection 
through innovations that are straight forward, technically achievable, 
and non-controversial--and most of these innovations will also provide 
environmental benefits. In some cases, innovations may be designed 
primarily to improve the cost effectiveness of achieving environmental 
goals; these projects must ensure there is no adverse impact on 
environmental protection, public access to information, and public 
access to the decision making process.

             EPA-STATE PARTNERSHIP DIMINISHED REGIONAL ROLE

    Question. Ms. Browner, two years ago you said ``I think the most 
important thing that we can do, and do it immediately, is diminish the 
oversight of the regions of the states' actions. We do not need to be 
in there second guessing them at every turn.'' Can you tell me how the 
regional oversight has been diminished, and how the role of the regions 
has changed in the past two years?
    Answer. EPA is successfully working with the states to reshape the 
federal-state relationship to develop true partnerships between the 
federal government and states to provide the best possible 
environmental management system. The Environmental Protection Agency is 
currently in the second year of working with the states under the 
National Environmental Performance Partnership System (NEPPS). NEPPS is 
a program that evaluates environmental problems and program needs. 
NEPPS Agreements and Grants are based upon state specific measurements 
of results. The Performance Partnership Agreements and Grants are 
voluntary, and are flexible enough to either encompass a broad range of 
environmental programs or they can focus on single programs as defined 
by the state.
    Regional oversight of a state's environmental programs can be 
significantly reduced through NEPPS by the state and the regional 
office agreeing on what the state's annual accomplishments should be. A 
series of performance measures has been developed by each of the 
Agency's programs to assist the regions and states in negotiating 
Performance Partnership Agreements. These performance measures were 
reviewed by the Environmental Commissioners at their Spring meeting in 
March 1997, and received their endorsement. This program is succeeding 
in reducing oversight by changing the fundamental relationship between 
the EPA Regions and the states from one of federal oversight to a true 
partnership.
    At last year's EPA-States Meeting, attended by state environmental 
commissioners and EPA senior management, and at the last EPA Annual 
Planning Meeting, a common theme was the need for more assistance from 
regions to states to make a real working partnership effective. The 
regions held discussions with states that revealed states and tribes 
highly value the technical assistance and applied science capabilities 
EPA brings to difficult environmental problems. Many states highly 
value EPA's technical, programmatic, scientific, and legal assistance 
in dealing with permit review and enforcement in both non-delegated and 
delegated programs.
    EPA has focused on work-sharing with state and local governments 
through several new approaches. In addition to NEPPS, the Agency is 
working with states and local governments through such efforts as 
Regional Geographic Initiatives, XL, compliance assistance, and 
technical assistance. We are trying to maximize state and Federal 
resources by dividing the work, moving away from counting 
administrative actions, and moving toward using environmental results 
as our indicator of progress and success. Our role is to address 
problems that state programs cannot or do not have the appropriate 
skill-set to handle.
    Many geographic, tailor-made solutions are more labor-intensive and 
may require more time and resources, especially in the short-term. 
According to a report done by ECOS magazine, 23 states reduced their 
resources devoted to environmental management from fiscal year 1995 to 
fiscal year 1996. In addition, states continue to expect EPA to deal 
with federal facilities and emergency response, cross-state boundary 
issues, and international issues. States need the talents of many 
specialists, who are brought together through project-specific teams. 
This is especially true for the regional labs who provide extensive 
technical support. States have begun to ask us to help fill their gaps 
with technical assistance and direct support.
    EPA has reduced oversight where appropriate, maintained oversight 
where we are statutorily obligated to do so, and redirected efforts 
towards new activities, often at the request of states, tribes, 
industry, and the general public. Oversight reduction has been ongoing 
for the last few years. Some oversight is and will continue to be 
necessary; just as direct federal action will continue to be necessary 
in some cases.
    It is important to note that while we have indeed shifted resources 
to many new activities, we still have activities we are statutorily 
required to undertake. We have a legal obligation to ensure national 
standards and implement programs the states have elected not to take 
on. We also have a unique role with tribes in carrying out our Trust 
responsibilities. If we discover that reduced oversight in a particular 
state leads to less diligent enforcement, for example, EPA will 
exercise the appropriate federal responsibility to ensure a level 
playing field across state boundaries and take needed action to remedy 
the situation.

                      NAAQS PARTNERSHIP AIR GRANTS

    Question. Ms. Browner, while you have professed great commitment to 
the EPA's proposed new standards for ozone and fine particles--claiming 
they would result in averting 20,000 premature mortalities--your budget 
does not seem to reflect that commitment. EPA's budget request provides 
a very marginal--3 percent--increase for air grants to the states. How 
can states undertake the multitude of tasks required to implement these 
proposed rules with the budget you've requested?
    Answer. In fiscal year 1998 much of the work involving the new air 
quality standards for ozone and fine particles will remain with EPA. 
Development of implementation policies and guidance materials will be a 
principal priority of the Office of Air and Radiation for fiscal year 
1998. Once the new standards are promulgated, States will have 3 years 
to submit their plans addressing how they will attain the new 
standards. The due date for these plans is presently anticipated to be 
July, 2000.
    The initial state need in addressing the new PM fine standard will 
be to develop and implement a monitoring network to measure the ambient 
levels of fine particles. In EPA's fiscal year 1997 and fiscal year 
1998 budget, the Agency has included funds to begin the establishment 
of fine particle monitoring networks. Initial efforts are primarily 
aimed at laboratory equipment and other infrastructure needs. Once EPA 
promulgates a fine particle standard and a subsequent federal reference 
method for ambient monitoring, greater emphasis will be placed on the 
purchase and siting of monitoring equipment.
    We are currently working with the states to examine the states' 
total needs for implementing programs to meet these new standards.

                      NAAQS PARTNERSHIP AIR GRANTS

    Question. Ms. Browner, while you have professed great commitment to 
the EPA's proposed new standards for ozone and fine particles--claiming 
they would result in averting 20,000 premature mortalities--your budget 
does not seem to reflect that commitment. EPA's budget request provides 
a very marginal--3 percent --increase for air grants to the states. How 
can states undertake the multitude of tasks required to implement these 
proposed rules with the budget you've requested?
    Answer. In fiscal year 1998 much of the work involving the new air 
quality standards for ozone and fine particles will remain with EPA. 
Development of implementation policies and guidance materials will be a 
principal priority of the Office of Air and Radiation for fiscal year 
1998. Once the new standards are promulgated, States will have 3 years 
to submit their plans addressing how they will attain the new 
standards. The due date for these plans is presently anticipated to be 
July, 2000.
    The initial state need in addressing the new PM fine standard will 
be to develop and implement a monitoring network to measure the ambient 
levels of fine particles. In EPA's fiscal year 1997 and fiscal year 
1998 budget, the Agency has included funds to begin the establishment 
of fine particle monitoring networks. Initial efforts are primarily 
aimed at laboratory equipment and other infrastructure needs. Once EPA 
promulgates a fine particle standard and a subsequent federal reference 
method for ambient monitoring, greater emphasis will be placed on the 
purchase and siting of monitoring equipment.
    We are currently working with the states to examine the states' 
total needs for implementing programs to meet these new standards.

                      NAAQS AIR GRANTS PM FUNDING

    Question. In addition, in your agency's proposed fiscal year 1998 
budget you have set aside only $10.9 million in grants for state and 
local air agencies for particulate matter monitoring, which is 
something they'll need to start right away. However, much of that is 
simply reprogrammed money--taking funds away from other important air 
programs, such as ozone or PM 10 monitoring. Aren't these programs 
still required under the Clean Air Act? If so, how are the states going 
to pay for them?
    Answer. EPA's fiscal year 1998 budget, $10.9 million would provide 
for the implementation of fine particle monitoring networks. This 
amount is an $8.2 million increase over the amount available for fiscal 
year 1997. Of this $8.2 million, $4.0 million would be funds over and 
above the total amount appropriated for fiscal year 1997. The 
remainder, $4.2 million is reprogrammed from other activities that were 
either completed in fiscal year 1997 or can be delayed in order to 
expedite the implementation of the fine particle network. Two 
activities comprise the $4.2 million. In fiscal year 1996 and fiscal 
year 1997, $2.2 million was directed towards the establishment of data 
delivery systems that would enhance the transmission of emissions 
inventory data from the States into EPA's emission inventory data 
systems. With this 2 year effort completed, we are able to redirect 
these funds to the fine particle network. The remaining $2 million 
comes from the total funds available to the Photochemical Assessment 
Monitor Stations (PAMS) program. In fiscal year 1997, $14.7 million was 
available for PAMS; for fiscal year 1998, we are able to redirect $2.0 
million of those funds to the fine particle network. The $2 million 
reduction in PAMS funding is brought about by reducing the sampling 
frequency at certain PAMS sites. Reduced sampling frequency saves both 
in FTE's as well as reductions in supply costs and equipment 
replacement costs. Reducing the sampling frequency while reducing the 
total data collected, does not impact the integrity of the data or our 
ability to shows trends in air quality levels.

                    NAAQS AIR GRANTS MACT STANDARDS

    Question. One area of great concern is the release of hazardous air 
pollutants. For that reason, the Clean Air Act calls upon EPA to 
develop a series of standards to curb these emissions--MACT standards. 
We understand that you have a MACT Partnership Program under which 
state and local air agencies have such expertise. However, if the Clean 
Air Act gives the responsibility for developing the standards to EPA, 
why is it that under your proposed allocation of air grants to state 
and local air agencies for fiscal year 1998 you plan to make these air 
agencies use their own grant funds to help you. Since the Act calls 
upon EPA to carry out this function, shouldn't the agency use its own 
budget for that and leave state and local air grants for other 
activities for which state and local agencies are primarily 
responsible?
    Answer. The Agency does not require states and local agencies to 
use their grant funds to help us develop rules but rather offers them 
an opportunity to participate in the process. The MACT Partnership 
program brings together the knowledge, skills and resources of all 
major stakeholders in the development of MACT standards under Section 
112 of the CAA. This has been necessary because frequently stakeholders 
want issues addressed that go beyond our basic mandate to create MACT 
standards (e.g., our efforts to bring emission averaging into the MACT 
program or providing alternatives to specific state rules). As a part 
of this program, we involve state and local personnel in the initial 
thinking and planning about a MACT standard. The state and local 
agencies generally want to participate and have agreed that we can 
identify an appropriate portion of their grants for this purpose. This 
allows them to share data and information among themselves and EPA and 
to develop their interest in the completion of a MACT standard, along 
side with the industry affected by the standard. The goal is to provide 
the best possible ways for state and local interests to be incorporated 
into the final MACT standard. This involvement (and the grants) are not 
associated with the main work in developing a MACT standard; state and 
local personnel decide independently if they want to participate in 
such efforts. While we have successfully developed MACT standards that 
will assure the reduction in emissions of hazardous air pollutants by 
nearly 1 million tons per year, we have many additional such standards 
to develop. By providing grant resources for the MACT partnership 
program, we ensure state and local agencies can participate in the 
development of these standards, an essential aspect of the consensus-
based MACT partnership program.

              EPA-STATE PARTNERSHIP OROSLR REORGANIZATION

    Question. EPA recently announced it was closing its office of 
Regional Operations and State & Local Support. Responsibility for state 
and local relations is moved to the Intergovernmental Affairs office. 
How will you ensure state and local issues don't get lost among 
Congressional relations responsibilities?
    Answer. EPA is not closing its Office of State and Local Relations. 
The functions performed by this office are vital to the Agency. The 
Agency is combining the Office of State/Local Relations with the Office 
of Congressional Affairs. A senior level political appointee will head 
the state and local relation functions. The Associate Administrator for 
Intergovernmental Relations--the most senior person with responsibility 
for state and local relations--will report directly to the 
Administrator. We expect these changes to improve the relationships 
between EPA, the states, and local officials and we fully intend to 
actively solicit and consult our state partners.

                      EPA-STATE PARTNERSHIP NEPPS

    Question. In the past two years, EPA has been working with states 
to implement a new National Environmental Performance Partnership 
System, in which states are to be assessed based on their performance, 
not on how many permits they issue or reports they write. In order to 
implement NEPPS successfully, states need to shift resources to the 
development of environmental indicators.
    To what extent has EPA allowed states to ``disinvest'' in 
traditional activities such as reporting requirements in order to 
redirect resources to the environmental indicators development?
    Answer. All of the Agency's Media offices have been encouraged to 
develop environmental core measures that move away from traditional 
activity measures and in the direction of direct measures of 
environmental status/condition. The Offices of Water, Air and 
Radiation, Pesticides and Toxic Substances, Solid Waste and Emergency 
Response, and Enforcement and Compliance Assurance have completed draft 
core measures. The intent is for these core measures, once finalized 
and adopted by the Agency, to be used by EPA's regions in negotiating 
Performance Partnership Agreements with the states, and to give the 
states some idea where EPA is heading so they, in turn, can begin to 
develop their own core measures. Once EPA has the core measures in 
place--including expanded use of environmental indicators--more 
traditional reporting requirements will be significantly reduced.
    For example, the Office of Water has developed a set of 18 
environmental indicators designed to measure surface water and drinking 
water quality nationally. Nine of these indicators are also on the list 
of eleven core measures being developed by the Office of Water. In 
piloting some of these environmental indicators with states, the Office 
of Water agreed in some cases to reduce other reporting requirements to 
free up state resources needed to work on the new approach. As more of 
the core measures get implemented, and more states start switching to 
the new approach, EPA can begin eliminating older reporting 
requirements that have been replaced and/or are no longer needed.
    To specifically address state reporting requirements, in December 
of 1996, EPA convened the State Reporting Requirements Reduction 
Workgroup, co-chaired by Michael O'Connor, Commissioner of the Indiana 
Department of Environmental Management; Bob Perciasepe, EPA Assistant 
Administrator for Water; and Mike McCabe, Regional Administrator of 
EPA's Region 3. Nine states are represented on the workgroup: Colorado, 
Delaware, Indiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Missouri, New Jersey, 
Oklahoma, and Utah. So far, the workgroup has met twice and heard 
presentations from Massachusetts and Florida on how they have worked 
with EPA to reduce reporting burdens in their states. The workgroup has 
drafted, and is circulating for members' comment, a set of principals 
for guiding EPA/State decisions about what should be reported, versus 
what reporting can be eliminated. The workgroup hopes to finalize the 
principles in the next three months and turn its attention to 
implementing them in the fiscal year 1998 National Environmental 
Performance Partnership System agreements. In one example of reductions 
already achieved, the State of Florida and EPA Region 4 reported 
reducing Florida's solid waste and superfund reporting requirements by 
50 percent in the process of negotiating Florida's fiscal year 1997 
Performance Partnership Agreement. Other examples are being collected 
by the workgroup.

               EPA-STATE PARTNERSHIP ENVIRONMENTAL GOALS

    Question. Have differences arisen between state and EPA 
environmental goals? If so, how have they been resolved?
    Answer. At this time we know of no significant differences between 
EPA and state environmental goals. Most of the differences are in the 
approach or program strategy to be used, rather than in disagreement 
with environmental goals. The negotiation of Performance Partnership 
Agreements resolves differences through joint planning and priority-
setting by state and EPA regional officials, taking into account 
national environmental goals, program guidance and individual 
performance measures, regional and state analyses of environmental 
status and trends, and program performance. Each EPA Regional 
Administrator is charged with working with National Program Managers 
and state environmental officials to ``harmonize'' state and national 
objectives in the Performance Partnership Agreements. States are also 
expected to involve stakeholders in the discussion of environmental 
goals and priorities.

                EPA-STATE PARTNERSHIP NEPPS EFFICIENCIES

    Question. Are anticipated costs and other efficiencies being 
realized in the new performance partnership grants?
    Answer. Since we have not yet completed the first full fiscal year 
of implementing Performance Partnership Grants (PPG's), we do not have 
much information about efficiencies realized thus far. As a 
fundamentally new approach to state grants and state-EPA relations, 
many procedural and policy issues emerged during this first year that 
had to be resolved. Nonetheless, we made remarkable progress putting 
PPG's in place. As of April 1, 1997, EPA had awarded one or more fiscal 
year 1997 PPG's to 33 different states; 21 PPG's went to environmental 
agencies, 2 to health agencies, and 13 to agricultural agencies.
    Although difficult to quantify, all state agencies with PPG's 
should be realizing at least some administrative savings. They can now 
submit a single grant application combining several programs and are no 
longer required to account separately for multiple grants.
    The other PPG's are also funding more integrated environmental 
protection efforts, involving joint state-EPA goal and priority setting 
based on environmental conditions, strategies that address the most 
pressing problems, and negotiated performance measures. Only a few 
modest resource shifts were made this year. Many state and EPA 
officials found the process more difficult than negotiating traditional 
grants. However, most believe the benefits of this more comprehensive 
and flexible approach are worth the effort and expect PPG's to be 
easier in the future.

            EPA-STATE PARTNERSHIP CORE PERFORMANCE MEASURES

    Question. What is the status of the development of core performance 
measures under NEPPS?
    Answer. EPA and the states, working together, have defined for each 
media program--air, water, waste, toxics, and enforcement--a set of 
core performance measures to be used by the regions and the states in 
negotiating Performance Partnership Agreements. Core performance 
measures are the principle long-term gauge of state and national 
progress in protecting human health and the environment. These 
measures, supplemented by other data routinely reported by the states, 
provide the ``performance'' element in the Performance Partnership 
Agreements. EPA and state environmental officials have jointly 
developed a framework and a set of definitions for core performance 
measures which are compatible with GPRA, and the National Environmental 
Goals Report. Each media office has proposed a set of core measures 
which track with their program goals and objectives, and are consistent 
with the framework and definitions. EPA and the states will continue to 
further refine these measures together, moving towards expanded use of 
environmental indicators. The framework, definitions, and examples of 
the measures are publicly available via EPA's home page.

                 EPA-STATE PARTNERSHIP NEPPS MANAGEMENT

    Question. Given the dissolution of the Office of Regional 
Operations and State & Local Support, who will be responsible for 
managing NEPPS?
    Answer. EPA is currently evaluating options for how the National 
Environmental Performance Partnership System (NEPPS) will be managed. 
EPA believes that NEPPS is a crucial reinvention program that will 
strengthen the state-EPA partnership. A final decision about 
organizational placement will be made in the next few months.

             PLANNING, BUDGETING, AND ACCOUNTABILITY (PBA)

    Question. Can you point to some specific examples of how it [the 
proposed planning, budgeting, and accountability system] impacted the 
1998 budget? Did it result in a risk-based reprioritization of 
activities across the agency, and disinvestments in low priority 
activities?
    Answer. EPA is engaged in a far-reaching effort to fundamentally 
change past approaches to planning, budgeting, performance measurement, 
and accountability. Our goal is to make better use of scientific 
information in setting priorities, improve the link between long-term 
environmental planning and resource management, and implement a new 
accountability system to assess accomplishments and provide feedback 
for future decisions. This effort will take several years to be fully 
in place.
    In fiscal year 1998, EPA expanded its GPRA pilot programs designed 
to bring together environmental goals and specific desired outcomes. 
These programs also serve as the prelude to full implementation of 
goal-based budgeting, complete with analytic criteria (including risk) 
and accountability measures, for fiscal year 1999. Together with a 
strategic plan and an annual performance plan, the Agency will submit a 
budget for fiscal year 1999 incorporating the principles and spirit of 
the GPRA.
    In fiscal year 1999, risk-based criteria, statutorily mandated 
tasks, and improved efficiency in government performance will be the 
bases for reprioritization of activities across the Agency. EPA will 
learn from its fiscal year 1997-98 GPRA pilot programs the best 
approaches to evaluating the work we do, providing resources, and 
measuring the results.

                    PBA AFFECT ON FUNDING DECISIONS

    Question. How does the agency's decision to increase the Superfund 
program by 50 percent and the Climate Change Action Plan programs by 73 
percent reflect the budget discipline which was supposed to be imposed 
by the new planning, budgeting, and accountability system? Don't 
dollars spent in Superfund provide relatively little opportunity for 
risk reduction, compared to other EPA programs?
    Answer. EPA continues to make fundamental changes to planning, 
budgeting, performance measurement, and accountability. As the Agency 
fully integrates these changes into the budget process over the next 
several years, decisions will be based on priorities at the highest 
risk areas and at the highest areas of need. The fiscal year 1998 
budget does begin to implement the need for a more risk-based and need-
based budget through the support of the Superfund program and the 
Climate Change Action Plan programs.
    Superfund sites pose a risk to human health and the environment and 
additional funding for the Superfund program offers the opportunity to 
address the direct risk for those individuals who live close to a site. 
These risks include concerns about exposures from multiple pathways, 
multiple chemicals, and non-cancer risks. By increasing funds for 
Superfund, the budget supports the commitment to clean up sites for the 
one in four Americans who live within four miles of a Superfund site.

                               PBA STATUS

    Question. GAO, in testimony submitted for today's hearing record, 
found that the overall framework for the new [Planning, Budgeting, and 
Accountability] system has been developed, but critical details are 
missing, such as the Integrated Risk Project to rank the relative risk 
of environmental problems. When will these missing elements be in 
place?
    Answer. The Agency is currently evaluating various approaches to 
incorporate relative risk analyses into our strategic planning process. 
There are several activities underway, including the Integrated Risk 
Project of the EPA Science Advisory Board (SAB). However, it is not yet 
possible to incorporate any results from the SAB's project as there is 
not yet an available public draft of their efforts. The Agency, 
however, does plan to consider the methods and results of the 
Integrated Risk Project to incorporate into future year planning 
processes. Currently, the Agency is using some very preliminary 
relative risk analyses as a first step in this initial strategic 
planning process. The nature and amount of risk information that is 
available varies by program area. Over time, we plan to continuously 
improve this information and revise our strategic plans accordingly.

                 PBA SCIENTIFIC AND ENVIRONMENTAL DATA

    Question. GAO also found that EPA faces long-term challenges to 
obtain the scientific and environmental data needed to fully support 
the new systems. What are EPA's plans to address this issue?
    Answer. EPA is committed to developing results oriented performance 
measures that will provide relevant information to the public on 
protection of public health and the environment. EPA plans to address 
the long-term challenges to obtain the scientific and environmental 
data by identifying the most important data gaps associated with its 
strategic objectives and to invest as needed in gathering and/or 
analyzing data required to fill these gaps. Each program office is 
expected to invest adequate resources to do this. However, there may be 
crosscutting areas where data needs can be met by Agency-wide efforts 
to gather and analyze data. EPA is very conscious of the cost of 
developing environmental outcome information and the reporting burden 
it places on EPA and potentially our partners. Thus, the Agency will 
emphasize using existing data collected by EPA, other Federal agencies 
and the States to measure the effectiveness of our program activities. 
We will seek to acquire new data and information only when it is 
critically needed to measure program effectiveness; in so doing, we 
will consult with State, Tribal and local governments, as well as the 
regulated community, to identify and collect data in the most efficient 
manner possible.
       center for environmental information and statistics (ceis)
    Question. EPA recently announced the creation of a center for 
environmental information and statistics. This comes in response to 
NAPA's recommendations. NAPA found a lack of adequate, high quality 
data on environmental conditions and the need for an independent office 
to analyze and disseminate such data. NAPA recommended such a center 
conduct a comprehensive assessment to determine what types of 
information EPA needs to make good policy decisions, and to identify 
what types of information EPA no longer needs to collect.
    Answer. EPA agreed with the NAPA findings concerning weaknesses in 
the Agency's environmental data quality, and with the NAPA 
recommendation to create a CEIS.

                             CEIS STRATEGY

    Question. What is EPA's strategy for the proposed new center, when 
will the comprehensive assessment NAPA recommended be conducted, and 
how will you ensure that the need for better, more reliable data does 
not result in increased reporting burdens on states and the regulated 
community?
    Answer. The strategy for CEIS operation during the remainder of 
fiscal year 1997 is to focus on an ambitious, but achievable agenda 
using budget resources redirected from OPPE environmental information 
and statistics functions, and to a lesser extent, from certain OARM 
data management functions and other parts of EPA. The early CEIS agenda 
will include a few, key products that define and illustrate the CEIS 
role. Examples include:
  --An integrated, multimedia state of the environment report, 
        addressing environmental issues for which EPA has, or shares 
        lead federal responsibility and aimed at EPA's historical 
        audiences for information on environmental quality, status and 
        trends; and
  --A comprehensive assessment of the environmental information needs 
        of EPA audiences to identify priorities for improving data 
        quality, integration and access.
    The CEIS environmental information needs assessment will also aid 
in identifying low priority data collections that become subject to 
burden reduction activities under the Agency's BRITE (Burden Reduction 
Information Technology Executive task force) program. The AA for OPPE, 
working with the CIO, has lead Agency responsibilities for both CEIS 
needs assessment and BRITE, thus ensuring close coordination between 
the two programs.

                          CEIS APOLITICAL USES

    Question. NAPA said the center ``should be free of political 
interference, and should not participate in political advocacy or 
regulatory activities.'' Yet the agency has indicated the center will 
be used to help implement the President's Right-to-Know initiative--
clearly a very political initiative created at the political levels of 
EPA with the White House. Can you assure us the Center will not be used 
for political purposes?
    Answer. EPA strongly believes that to be successful, both the CEIS 
and EMPACT must earn reputations as objective, reliable environmental 
information sources, known for the clear presentation of environmental 
information, as well as for fair and balanced interpretation and 
analysis. The purpose of the President's Right-to-Know initiative, 
known as EMPACT (Environmental Monitoring for Public Access and 
Community Tracking), is to work with at least 75 major, U.S. urban 
areas to provide the public with more timely and accessible, 
environmental monitoring information. The motivation for EMPACT is to 
improve the science and effectiveness of environmental monitoring. EPA 
has also explicitly stated that the objectives for the program include 
making environmental data understandable and promoting fair and 
unbiased data interpretation. EPA will use peer review of products and 
balanced stakeholder involvement in implementing both CEIS and EMPACT 
to ensure the credibility of the environmental information they make 
available.

                      CEIS ORGANIZATIONAL LOCATION

    Question. Why is the Center under the control of the Policy Office, 
rather than the Chief Information Officer, as recommended by NACEPT in 
its report on managing information resources?
    Answer. The CEIS will enhance EPA's presentation of environmental 
information mainly by providing comprehensive, multimedia analysis and 
interpretation of environmental quality, status and trends. OPPE is the 
natural placement for CEIS by virtue of its long history as EPA's 
office for multimedia analysis. Because the CEIS will rely heavily on 
the CIO for the information technology and infrastructure necessary to 
integrate and manage environmental data, the CEIS will function as an 
OPPE/CIO partnership, with the CEIS located in OPPE to advance its 
important, substantive analytical role.

                   CEIS NACEPT REPORT RECOMMENDATION

    Question. NACEPT stated that ``integrated information--the 
strategic tool for the Agency's new place-based approach--will not be 
available unless one individual in the Agency is charged with managing 
information resources as their sole responsibility''. Why hasn't EPA 
followed NACEPT's recommendation that the CIO be charged solely with 
information resources management?
    Answer. Long before the passage of the Information Technology 
Management Reform Act, EPA named a Chief Information Officer to perform 
enterprise-wide information management responsibilities. With the 
passage of the new law, EPA has heightened the importance of the Chief 
Information Officer by vesting in this position the full authorities of 
the new law. The Chief Information Officer has sole responsibility for 
the Agency's information management planning process, Strategic Plan, 
policy formulation, and architecture. The CIO's authority has been 
further strengthened with responsibilities for investment planning and 
for reengineering review imposed by the new law.
    Within the parameters of this centralized authority, the Chief 
Information Officer relies on senior officials in EPA's program and 
regional offices to develop and implement information management 
programs in support of their environmental statutes and regulations. 
This centralized/decentralized operating framework has traditionally 
worked well in EPA because it yields centralized authority on policy 
and infrastructure requirements, while allowing day-to-day 
responsibilities for data systems and management to occur at 
operational levels more closely associated with the nature of the 
environmental program.
    EPA is highly sensitive to the need for more integrated 
environmental information highlighted by the NACEPT committee, and its 
Chief Information Officer is leading a number of efforts to evaluate 
and improve the Agency's ability to deliver integrated information. The 
CIO's authority is enhanced by the Agency's Executive Steering 
Committee for IRM, which serves as the Chief Information Officer's 
board of directors for agencywide information management directions, 
cross-media efforts, and IRM investment planning. The Executive 
Steering Committee is composed of the senior officials in each of EPA's 
program offices, along with representatives from our regional offices 
and state environmental agencies. EPA's place-based and community-based 
efforts are overseen by the Executive Steering Committee, under the 
direction of the CIO. Thus, EPA is moving forward with a clear effort 
and management framework for meeting the integrated information needs 
identified by NACEPT.

                          CEIS BUDGET REQUEST

    Question. What is the budget request for the Center in fiscal year 
1998? When will a center director be named?
    Answer. Because the decision to create the CEIS was made after the 
fiscal year 1998 President's budget was submitted to Congress, EPA's 
budget did not include a specific CEIS budget request. The fiscal year 
1998 resource needs for CEIS will be addressed as the Agency works with 
Congress to develop EPA's fiscal year 1998 operating plan. EPA will 
seek to fund CEIS by redirecting OPPE base resources, and, to a lesser 
extent, by redirecting resources from OARM and other parts of the 
Agency. Some of the Agency resources redirected to CEIS will include a 
portion of those funding EMPACT, to support the important CEIS role in 
the EMPACT program. EPA will name a CEIS director before the CEIS 
organization plan is finalized in late spring.

                         PBA PROGRAM EVALUATION

    Question. NAPA found that EPA has no systematic way of performing 
program evaluations to determine whether programs are accomplishing 
their stated goals and objectives. Without this information, it is 
difficult to make rational, informed budget decisions. What has EPA 
done to establish centralized, routine, systematic program evaluation 
as part of the budget process?
    Answer. EPA is currently developing a new process to substantially 
change the way the Agency makes decisions with regard to planning and 
budgeting. This process is driven by a set of environmental goals and 
results-oriented environmental outcomes that are associated with these 
goals. The process integrates the Agency's planning and budgeting 
processes and establishes a program performance evaluation and 
accountability system that will ensure compliance with the Government 
Performance and Results Act. At the foundation of this planning-
budgeting-accountability process will be clearly identifiable links 
between the Agency's goals; objectives for achieving those goals; 
performance measures to assess progress in meeting objectives; 
activities designed to attain desired environmental outcomes; and 
resources used in support of those activities. EPA has formalized these 
links by creating the Office of Planning, Analysis and Accountability 
(OPAA) within the Office of the Chief Financial Officer.
    Two primary responsibilities of OPAA are the development of an 
Agency-wide Strategic Plan that incorporates the goals and objectives 
we have identified as essential in achieving desired outcomes, and an 
accountability system that will enable us to evaluate program 
performance and related costs in terms of goals and objectives. This 
will be done systematically by focusing on accomplishments relative to 
the commitments made in annual performance plans, which will constitute 
the body of Agency budget submissions. Annual performance reports will 
evaluate environmental and managerial results and relate them to 
resources expended, and the results will support future decision-making 
on program direction and budgets. In the future, this system is 
intended to integrate other ongoing evaluation efforts, including 
regular internal program assessments, Federal Managers' Financial 
Integrity Act monitoring and reporting, and Agency financial 
statements, to provide comprehensive information for management.
                 project xl and common sense initiative
    Question. How will the new Office of Reinvention EPA recently 
established improve the effectiveness of Project XL and the Common 
Sense Initiative? What specific changes do you envision?
    Answer. The Office of Reinvention (OR) will enhance the 
effectiveness of Project XL (XL) and the Common Sense Initiative (CSI) 
within EPA in four ways:
    First, we expect the reorganization to improve the ability of the 
Agency to coordinate across the reinvention programs and ensure that 
resources are used in the most efficient and effective manner possible.
    Second, the true purpose of reinvention is to implement new 
approaches to environmental protection. While XL and CSI are different 
in their approach to reinvention, common ideas and themes will continue 
to emerge. OR will track these ideas, look for the best opportunities 
to test and refine them in reinvention programs, and work to 
incorporate them into Agency regulatory or policy decisions. The 
``lessons learned'' will be shared among the reinvention programs.
    Third, establishment of OR will improve the Agency's ability to 
make operational and policy decisions that move the XL and CSI programs 
forward. As programs with significant implications that cut across 
Agency divisions, XL and CSI repeatedly face the difficult task of 
facilitating cross-agency decision making on an ad hoc basis. OR will 
provide structure and authority to cross-agency actions on reinvention 
programs.
    Fourth, OR will be involved with other Agency reinvention efforts 
such as the Environmental Leadership Program and the One-Stop Reporting 
Program. The office will be able to bring the experiences and successes 
of these efforts to XL and CSI to foster continuous improvement.

         PROJECT XL AND CSI ALTERNATIVE COMPLIANCE LEGISLATION

    Question. After the problems you have encountered with Project XL, 
why do you not agree that alternative compliance legislation is needed?
    Answer. GEMI's critique stated that successful reinvention programs 
had common characteristics of clear goals developed with input from 
direct participants, the provision of significant flexibility in how to 
achieve set ends, and trust among participants. They go on to state 
that without statutory provisions, initiatives take a lower priority, 
and require consensus-based decisions to be effective. GEMI suggests 
that having statutory authority would remedy the lack of these 
characteristics in XL and CSI, and would overcome the weak incentives 
and risks of litigation of these two reinvention initiatives.
    EPA disagrees that legislative action would serve to remedy the 
majority of criticisms that have been directed at Project XL or CSI. 
These criticisms not easily resolved by legislation. Most suggestions 
can be implemented without legislation and some may evolve and change 
as our learning in these areas expands. While the characteristics of 
clear, shared goals, flexibility to achieve set ends, and trust are 
important if reinvention programs are to be successful, legislation is 
not required to accomplish any of those criteria.
    Both XL and CSI are undergoing substantial efforts currently to 
redefine program objectives and goals, with substantial input from 
stakeholders of all types. As these dialogues continue, a greater level 
of support and an understanding of the expected outcomes of these 
programs is developing. This is an ongoing, dynamic process; one that 
is necessary at the program level regardless of statutory authority. 
EPA has found there is substantial room for flexibility within the 
existing framework of our legal authorities.
    It is important to recognize that Project XL is not intended to be 
an alternative compliance system; rather it is a laboratory within 
which we can test new approaches to environmental protection, which if 
successful can be used to change and improve our current system. EPA 
has not believed it needed separate statutory authority to run a pilot 
program of temporary duration (50 projects). Our experience with XL to 
date is that we have been able to test the concepts proposed by project 
sponsors and still remain within our statutory authorities. Using our 
existing statutory framework has important advantages.
  --First, it engages the very staff that wrote the rules that are 
        being challenged in thinking about new ways of doing business. 
        This is the most effective way to accomplish one of the biggest 
        goals of reinvention--cultural change. Clearly, the 
        Administrator has established XL and CSI as Agency priorities. 
        But it is the rethinking of the traditional approaches as rules 
        and policies get developed where cultural change and staff buy-
        in actually happen.
  --Secondly, by conducting pilot projects within the confines of 
        existing statutory authorities, it is easier to transfer the 
        successful ideas out of the reinvention programs into that 
        existing current system in a way that is acceptable to states, 
        industry, and stakeholders.
    Finally, EPA agrees that there is a need to better articulate and 
develop incentives for participation of project sponsors in XL. 
However, EPA questions the need for legislation to provide those 
incentives. EPA will actively be exploring ideas on ways to provide 
clear benefits to those who are willing to provide leadership and make 
the investments necessary to pilot change in the way we do business.
      project xl and csi presidential commissions recommendations
    Question. How will EPA see that the recommendations of these 
Presidential Commissions are implemented?
    Answer. EPA is establishing a new Office of Reinvention which will 
be responsible for managing changes to traditional regulatory 
approaches. This new office, under the leadership of an Associate 
Administrator, will be responsible for ensuring follow-up to the many 
policy recommendations from the President's Council on Sustainable 
Development, Presidential/Congressional Commission on Risk Assessment 
and Risk Management, and other groups. Much of the specific follow-up 
work will be done by the line operating programs in the Agency, and it 
will be the job of the Office of Reinvention to provide overall 
direction and coordination across the Agency.

           PROJECT XL AND CSI GLOBAL ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGEMENT

    Question. According to a report by the Global Environmental 
Management Initiative, called ``Industry Incentives for Environmental 
Improvement: Evaluation of U.S. Federal Initiatives,'' EPA's voluntary 
programs have not been terribly effective. GEMI looked at CSI, Project 
XL, the 33-50 program, and the sulfur dioxide emissions trading 
program. With the exception of emissions trading, GEMI found these 
programs ``do not address most of the important problems with the 
pollution control system nor do they appear to contribute significantly 
to improving environmental quality or safety.'' What implications do 
these findings have for Project XL and CSI?
    Answer. Project XL and the Common Sense Initiative (CSI) were 
created in recognition that there are many visions for a future system 
of environmental protection, and that different approaches for 
exploring these visions make sense. EPA did not identify specific 
innovations or outcomes from these reinvention programs, choosing 
instead to allow sponsors and sectors the freedom to suggest their own 
ideas. It was reasoned that industry, along with stakeholders, would 
know where the biggest problems in our current system lie. The GEMI 
report voices a criticism of this approach, advocating that EPA take a 
more aggressive approach in directing these programs.
    In Project XL, there still exists an open invitation for project 
proposals, with specific emphases on innovative technology and 
pollution prevention. EPA has, however, been working with environmental 
policy opinion leaders from states, industry, and environmental NGO's 
to strategically identify the types of XL projects that will help us 
achieve the desired environmental protection system of the future.
    CSI has almost 40 projects in the six participating industrial 
sectors. These projects, which have been identified by the external 
stakeholders, run the gamut from alternative regulatory systems, 
permitting reform, community outreach, and pollution prevention to 
reporting reforms and technical assistance. CSI continues to rely upon 
the external stakeholders on each sector subcommittee to establish 
goals to help direct the efforts of their industrial sector. The CSI 
Council works with the sector subcommittees to assure that the 
individual sector goals support the vision of the Common Sense 
Initiative--cleaner, cheaper, smarter solutions to environmental 
management.
    EPA is confident that individual XL and CSI projects currently 
being implemented and under development do contribute to improving 
environmental quality and safety both by producing superior 
environmental performance and by testing new approaches to 
environmental protection.

                     PROJECT XL AND CSI GEMI REPORT

    Question. GEMI said ``It is difficult to make any non-statutory 
program work'' and, ``there is no short-cut, no way around the 
difficult task of trying to legislate a better system.'' Has the report 
influenced your views as to the need to legislate an alternative 
compliance system?
    Answer. GEMI's critique stated that successful reinvention programs 
had common characteristics of clear goals developed with input from 
direct participants, the provision of significant flexibility in how to 
achieve set ends, and trust among participants. They go on to state 
that without statutory provisions, initiatives take a lower priority, 
and require consensus-based decisions to be effective. GEMI suggests 
that having statutory authority would remedy the lack of these 
characteristics in XL and CSI, and would overcome the weak incentives 
and risks of litigation of these two reinvention initiatives.
    EPA disagrees that legislative action would serve to remedy the 
majority of criticisms that have been directed at Project XL or CSI. 
These criticisms not easily resolved by legislation. Most suggestions 
can be implemented without legislation and some may evolve and change 
as our learning in these areas expands. While the characteristics of 
clear, shared goals, flexibility to achieve set ends, and trust are 
important if reinvention programs are to be successful, legislation is 
not required to accomplish any of those criteria.
    Both XL and CSI are undergoing substantial efforts currently to 
redefine program objectives and goals, with substantial input from 
stakeholders of all types. As these dialogues continue, a greater level 
of support and an understanding of the expected outcomes of these 
programs is developing. This is an ongoing, dynamic process; one that 
is necessary at the program level regardless of statutory authority. 
EPA has found there is substantial room for flexibility within the 
existing framework of our legal authorities.
    It is important to recognize that Project XL is not intended to be 
an alternative compliance system; rather it is a laboratory within 
which we can test new approaches to environmental protection, which if 
successful can be used to change and improve our current system. EPA 
has not believed it needed separate statutory authority to run a pilot 
program of temporary duration (50 projects). Our experience with XL to 
date is that we have been able to test the concepts proposed by project 
sponsors and still remain within our statutory authorities. Using our 
existing statutory framework has important advantages.
  --First, it engages the very staff that wrote the rules that are 
        being challenged in thinking about new ways of doing business. 
        This is the most effective way to accomplish one of the biggest 
        goals of reinvention--cultural change. Clearly, the 
        Administrator has established XL and CSI as Agency priorities. 
        But it is the rethinking of the traditional approaches as rules 
        and policies get developed where cultural change and staff buy-
        in actually happen.
  --Secondly, by conducting pilot projects within the confines of 
        existing statutory authorities, it is easier to transfer the 
        successful ideas out of the reinvention programs into that 
        existing current system in a way that is acceptable to states, 
        industry, and stakeholders.
    Finally, EPA agrees that there is a need to better articulate and 
develop incentives for participation of project sponsors in XL. 
However, EPA questions the need for legislation to provide those 
incentives. EPA will actively be exploring ideas on ways to provide 
clear benefits to those who are willing to provide leadership and make 
the investments necessary to pilot change in the way we do business.

                         STATUTORY INTEGRATION

    Question. About two years ago, this Committee directed EPA to 
examine options for better integrating its statutory authorities. In 
response, EPA established a team to explore options for bringing about 
integration. Yet following the establishment of the Enterprise for the 
Environment Initiative, EPA decided ``E4E'' would serve as the vehicle 
for fulfilling this Committee's request for analysis of statutory 
integration. This is not what we intended. When will EPA report to the 
Committee on the findings of its statutory integration task force?
    Answer. The rationale for having E4E serve as the vehicle for 
fulfilling the Committee's request on statutory integration was that it 
will be more fruitful to discuss integration of authorities in the 
broader context of policy changes being considered by E4E, rather than 
have EPA's work on statutory integration stand in isolation from, or 
appear to be in competition with, E4E's related work. To do otherwise 
would run counter to the Committee's request that the Agency coordinate 
with and provide support to E4E, in addition to using it for additional 
stakeholder input on improving our programs and authorities. We would 
be happy to brief Committee staff on our work on statutory integration, 
either before release of the final E4E report, or after Committee staff 
have reviewed the E4E product.

                             GREEN PROGRAMS

    Question. EPA's budget request includes a 73 percent increase for 
the Climate Change Action Plan--the so-called ``green programs''--for a 
total of $149 million. The Green Lights program would more than double 
to $52 million. The Green Lights program has been in existence for 
about 6 years and there are now over 2,300 partners. The purpose of the 
program is to promote the use of energy efficient lighting 
technologies. At what point will EPA begin proposing a phase out of 
this program due to ``market saturation''?
    Answer. The current budget cuts have limited the Agency's ability 
to achieve its goal of overcoming the barriers in the marketplace that 
will allow the markets themselves to provide greater energy efficiency 
and reduce pollution. Because the funding cuts are hindering EPA in its 
ability to achieve these market transformation goals, the cuts are also 
postponing the point at which EPA will be able to reduce funding for 
the programs. The timing of phasing out of all CCAP programs, including 
Green Lights, will depend in large part on whether or not full funding 
levels are restored in the near term.
    The Green Lights program has been extremely successful at 
increasing energy savings and pollution prevention, in spite of reduced 
funding. The attached chart shows the rapid increase in annual 
pollution prevention from the program over time. These program results 
are based on detailed reporting from partners on completed projects. As 
can be seen in the chart, the program is gaining momentum as its 
pollution prevention achievements climb rapidly. This is because, even 
though the program is successful, there remains a large untapped 
potential. The 6 billion square feet of floorspace owned by the 
program's 2,300 partners represents only 7 percent of total U.S. 
commercial and industrial floorspace. Although partners are already 
preventing over 5 billion pounds of carbon dioxide emissions every 
year, significant opportunity remains.
    In addition, EPA's commitment does not end with recruiting 
partners. In fact, that is just the beginning of affecting real change. 
In the Memorandum of Understanding between EPA and its partners, the 
Agency agrees to provide technical support as the partners fulfill 
their commitments within 5 years of signing. The Agency considers its 
growing reputation as a dependable source of unbiased information to be 
an essential component of the program's current and future success.
    EPA is currently tracking energy efficient lighting product markets 
to assist with overall monitoring and evaluation of the Green Lights 
program. The Agency is developing a plan to identify criteria by which 
decisions can be made for determining the proper exit strategy from the 
market. This is consistent with recommendations in a 1997 Office of the 
Inspector General (OIG) report.\1\ For the CCAP partnership programs 
that were evaluated, the OIG found that the Agency was demonstrating 
``good management practices,'' including good planning, progress 
evaluation, and program adjustment (p. 11). The OIG also recommended 
that management develop plans for evaluating market transformation and 
determining when resources should be reduced for individual programs 
(p. 31).
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    \1\ EPA Office of the Inspector General, ``Risk Reduction Through 
Voluntary Programs,'' Audit Report No. E1KAF6-05-0080-7100130, 3/19/97.
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    It should be noted that a significant portion of the increased 
funding (i.e., the referenced $52 million) is targeted for the Energy 
Star Buildings program (CCAP Action # 1). Launched in 1995, this 
important program builds on the success the Green Lights program has 
had in developing solid partnerships and establishing EPA's credibility 
within the private sector. Beyond lighting, the Energy Star Buildings 
program engages partners in a more aggressive and challenging agreement 
to improve total energy performance throughout buildings. This can 
provide significant pollution prevention benefits. In fact, the energy 
used in U.S. commercial and industrial buildings is responsible for as 
much carbon dioxide emissions as all of the cars, light trucks, jeeps, 
and minivans in the U.S. today. Energy Star Buildings partners can 
cost-effectively eliminate about one-third of their energy use and 
pollution.
    Providing full funding of the CCAP at this time will allow the 
buildings programs to expand their partnerships in line with original 
expectations. With the additional funding, the Green Lights and Energy 
Star Buildings programs will (1) increase recruiting by 100 percent 
(focussing on a broader range of sector specific opportunities), (2) 
enhance customer support by 100 percent for existing partners so that 
they can perform better upgrades more quickly, (3) enhance outreach on 
the environmental and economic benefits of improved building 
technologies, (4) provide technical information on a broader set of 
newer technologies of interest to State and Local governments such as 
high efficiency traffic signals, (5) complete more comprehensive 
program evaluation efforts, and (6) develop the foundations for 
including the design and construction of new commercial buildings 
within the programs.
    Question. What is the long-term strategy for the green programs?
    Answer. Over 2,500 of the world's best climate scientists recently 
concluded that the threat of global warming must be taken seriously. 
More than 2,400 economists endorse the U.S. taking action to slow 
climate change.
  --The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), drawing on 
        the work of more than 2,500 scientists, concluded in 1995 that 
        global temperatures are expected to rise 2 to 6 degrees 
        Fahrenheit in the next century, and that ``the balance of the 
        evidence suggests a discernible human influence on global 
        climate'' that is already apparent.
  --The IPCC concluded that greenhouse gas emissions can be reduced by 
        as much as 30 percent from anticipated future levels by more 
        fully using cost-effective technologies.
  --More than 2,400 economists (including eight Nobel prize winners) 
        agreed, saying in a statement this year that: ``There are many 
        potential policies to reduce greenhouse gas emissions for which 
        the total benefits outweigh the total costs.'' These measures, 
        they said, ``would slow climate change without harming American 
        living standards'' and ``may, in fact, improve U.S. 
        productivity in the longer run.'' (Statement attached).
    The recent scientific evidence and the endorsement by over 2,400 
economists that many cost-effective policies exist to reduce greenhouse 
gasses makes fully funding the Climate Change Action Plan programs more 
compelling than ever before because, the CCAP programs are beginning to 
do precisely what these experts call for. By providing information, 
helping establish markets for new technologies, and promoting new 
arrangements for private financing, the CCAP programs are accelerating 
the adoption of this money-saving and pollution-preventing technology 
by large and small American businesses, schools, hospitals and other 
non-profits, and homeowners and consumers.
    Recent research at leading centers for economic research 
demonstrates that these programs are highly effective. In 1996, a study 
by Resources for the Future concluded that, in addition to prices, the 
Green Lights program makes a ``significant contribution to the 
diffusion of high efficiency lighting in commercial office buildings * 
* *.'' \2\ Also in 1996, a study by Stephen DeCanio of the Department 
of Economics at the University of California at Santa Barbara concluded 
that: ``By speeding the dissemination of information about energy-
saving technologies, programs such as Green Lights can offer win-win 
benefits to taxpayers, consumers, and shareholders.'' \3\ Nevertheless, 
the programs are being restrained by funding cuts that have limited 
their effectiveness.
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    \2\ Morgenstern, Resources for the Future, ``Does the Provision of 
Free Technical Information Really Influence Firm Behavior? '' 5/96.
    \3\ DeCanio and Watkins, UCSB Department of Economics, ``Investment 
in Energy Efficiency: Do the Characteristics of Firms Matter? '' 7/96.
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    Rapid deployment of this energy-efficiency technology will be even 
more critical in the future. The U.S. and many other countries will 
meet in December 1997 to discuss the next phase of actions under the 
Framework Convention on Climate Change. Reflecting the recent 
scientific evidence on climate change risks, and because current non-
binding approaches under the Convention are not working to fully 
accomplish their goals, more than 100 nations agreed last year that the 
new agreement should move from non-binding emissions goals to legally-
binding emissions targets. The U.S. position is that binding emissions 
obligations must be set at realistic and achievable levels, with 
adequate lead time and flexible implementation tools (emissions 
budgets, banking and borrowing, international emissions trading, and 
joint implementation). The U.S. position also includes commitments by 
developing nations, culminating in binding emissions targets for all 
nations.
    If binding emissions targets are adopted in December 1997, rapid 
deployment of the currently available, money-saving technology to 
produce and use energy more efficiently will be more important than 
ever. It will be one of the keys to meeting these targets at the lowest 
possible cost for the private sector and the U.S. economy as a whole.
    Restoring Climate Change Action Plan funding to the President's 
request will allow EPA to fully implement its programs to achieve the 
highest possible rate of adoption of these technologies by American 
firms, non-profit institutions, and individual consumers. But if 
funding for the CCAP programs remains at reduced levels, many of these 
technologies will remain on the shelf or be adopted by only a fraction 
of the potential users. Consumers energy bills and other costs will be 
unnecessarily high. The productivity and competitive position of U.S. 
businesses will suffer. Americans will lose far more as investors, 
employees, and consumers than these programs cost.

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                              ENFORCEMENT

    Question. Despite all the rhetoric about the supposed inadequacy of 
EPA's enforcement budget in fiscal year 1996, in the operating plan EPA 
actually proposed reprogramming $4 million out of the fiscal year 1996 
enforcement budget. Why did EPA cut enforcement? Couldn`t the carryover 
have been reprogrammed into other enforcement activities?
    Answer. In fiscal year 1996 EPA did not cut Enforcement. The 
resource levels provided in the original fiscal year 1996 Operating 
Plan fully funded projected Enforcement FTE. The hiring, promotion and 
bonus freezes, implemented during the fiscal year 1996 appropriation 
process, held on-board levels and personnel compensation and benefits 
costs below levels projected in the Operating Plan. The Enforcement 
program is especially sensitive to these personnel factors given that 
almost 75 percent of the program's budget within the Environmental 
Programs and Management appropriation is payroll.
    Once the freezes were lifted, the Enforcement program began to hire 
additional personnel in areas such as criminal investigation and data 
systems support. However despite this activity, actual on-board levels 
remained below levels provided in the fiscal year 1996 Operating Plan.
    However, in fiscal year 1997 the Agency fully funded the Enacted 
Operating Plan level of Enforcement FTE. Despite the many uncertainties 
faced in the previous year, the Enforcement program was able to 
accomplish its goals and objectives in fiscal year 1996 without the 
reprogramming of carryover funds.

                ENFORCEMENT: RECORD ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS

    Question. According to a February press release, EPA had a record 
number of criminal enforcement actions in 1996, despite claiming that 
the ``environmental cop was off the beat.'' How did EPA manage to have 
record numbers of criminal enforcement actions in fiscal year 1996?
    Answer. During fiscal year 1996, EPA was subject to a series of 
continuing resolutions which placed the Agency under spending and 
hiring restrictions for approximately seven months, including several 
weeks in which the Agency was shutdown. During this time, EPA's 
criminal program continued to carry out its enforcement 
responsibilities. Criminal investigators were ``essential'' employees 
under the furlough and resources were provided for basic program 
operations throughout the continuing resolutions. However, efforts to 
open new criminal cases were limited by available travel resources. The 
program focused primarily on cases already in the criminal enforcement 
pipeline, in which ``front-end'' investigative activities were 
completed in prior years. EPA brought many of these cases to closure in 
fiscal year 1996, allowing the Agency to report record numbers of 
criminal enforcement actions despite the budget circumstances.
    However, EPA staff who work in civil enforcement were more directly 
affected by the fiscal year 1996 budget situation. Staff who normally 
interact with states on enforcement issues, conduct inspections, 
administrative actions, and develop civil referrals, were not able to 
carry out their work during the furlough and their activities were 
significantly disrupted under the continuing resolutions.

               ENFORCEMENT: COMPLIANCE ASSISTANCE PROGRAM

    Question. While EPA's overall EPM enforcement budget would increase 
7 percent to $237 million, there is no increase requested for 
compliance assistance. According to Agency documents:
    The enforcement program recognizes that most businesses and 
regulated facilities want to comply with the law. Often, however, they 
need help with understanding environmental requirements and coming into 
compliance with them. This is particularly true of small businesses. 
The enforcement program's compliance assistance program helps the 
regulated community to understand and come into compliance with the 
law.
    Why is there no increase in the relatively modest ($20 million) 
compliance assistance program?
    Answer. In 1998 the Agency's enforcement program will continue to 
conduct a broad spectrum of outreach and technical assistance to the 
regulated community in concert with the States. By 1998 the ground work 
for the Enforcement's Compliance Assistance Program, such as policy and 
strategy development, will have been completed and the program will 
direct resources at implementation. Also, states are increasingly 
providing compliance assistance. All 50 states have a Clean Air Act 
State Small Business Assistance Program and many are now expanding into 
other media. The Enforcement program is investing additional resources 
in 1998 in helping the states develop their compliance assistance 
programs.
    By 1998 the Agency will have Compliance Assistance Centers up and 
running for eight industry sectors. The goal is for these centers to be 
self-sufficient.
    The compliance assistance tools that the Agency is developing for 
use by the industry sectors are building upon themselves. EPA is able 
to apply lessons learned in developing tools for one sector to another 
sector, producing cost savings. The Agency's approach is to complete 
work on a set of sectors before moving onto the next thereby 
efficiently utilizing the Agency's resources.

                      ENFORCEMENT: SBREFA FUNDING

    Question. What specifically is requested for the additional 
requirements associated with the Small Business Regulatory Enforcement 
Fairness Act?
    Answer. To support the requirements of SBREFA, the fiscal year 1998 
Budget requests three workyears and two hundred thousand dollars for 
the Office of Policy, Planning and Evaluation (OPPE).
    OPPE projects that there will be fifteen SBREFA panel processes in 
fiscal year 1998, which will require approximately 20 FTE in agency 
personnel and $125,000 in travel and $150,000 in contract support of 
panel requirements.

                                 NAAQS

    Question. Last November EPA proposed new standards for ozone and 
fine particles which are highly controversial. Recent press reports 
have stated that there were deep divisions with the administration over 
EPA's proposal. According to one account, OSTP Director Jack Gibbons 
called on EPA to delay its ozone proposal, saying EPA should look more 
closely at the health benefits from improving compliance with the 
current standard. In addition, staff memos at the Council of Economic 
Advisors said ``the incremental health risk reduction for more 
stringent standards is small, while the cost are high.'' Treasury 
Department staff challenged the health benefits. And the Small Business 
Administration urged EPA to follow the requirements of the Small 
Business Regulatory Enforcement Fairness Act.
    Ms. Browner, why did EPA seemingly ignore these significant 
concerns from within your own administration? Do you have plans to 
address other agencies concerns about the costs and benefits?
    Answer. The Clean Air Act requires that EPA establish ambient 
standards based on selecting a level that protects the public health 
with an adequate margin of safety. While preparation of a regulatory 
impact analysis that includes an estimate of the costs and benefits 
associated with the proposed standards is part of the review process, 
these costs cannot be considered in the final decision on what the 
standard should be. EPA's decision is to be based solely on protection 
of public health.
    In addition, as we move forward on responding to the comments 
received on the proposed standards and developing final standards, EPA 
is working with all of the other Departments and Agencies to address 
their issues and concerns. There are weekly meetings of an Interagency 
technical staff work group and of a higher level Interagency policy 
work group to have regular discussion of these issues. This process 
will continue through until the final standards are issued.
    Finally, although the Agency disagrees with the SBA's 
interpretation of SBREFA, we are voluntarily complying with all 
procedures for consultation with small businesses.

                       NAAQS SBREFA REQUIREMENTS

    Question. When does EPA plan to comply with the SBREFA 
requirements, which called for consultation with small businesses on 
the costs of the regulation, prior to the proposal of major rules?
    Answer. As you know, SBREFA amended the Regulatory Flexibility Act 
(RFA) to add a requirement that EPA convene a Small Business Advocacy 
Review Panel for any rule that requires preparation of an initial 
regulatory flexibility analysis (IRFA) under section 603 of the RFA. As 
explained further below, EPA did not convene a panel because EPA 
determined that an IRFA is not required for rules like the NAAQS that 
do not apply to small businesses or other small entities. As the RFA's 
``Findings and Purposes'' section (Public Law 96-354 section 2) makes 
clear, Congress enacted the RFA in 1980 out of concern that agencies 
were writing one-size-fits-all regulations that, in fact, did not fit 
the size and resources of small entities or their relative contribution 
to the problem being addressed. To change this practice, Congress 
required agencies, when developing a rule, to focus on the small 
entities that would have to comply with the rule's requirements and 
consider ways of easing or even waiving those requirements as they 
would apply to small entities. That purpose cannot be served in the 
case of rules like the NAAQS that do not have requirements that apply 
to small entities.
    As a rulemaking subject to notice-and-comment rulemaking 
requirements, the NAAQS proposals are subject to the RFA. The RFA 
requires that an agency prepare an IRFA describing ``the impact of the 
proposed rule on small entities,'' unless the agency certifies that the 
rule ``will not, if promulgated, have a significant economic impact on 
a substantial number of small entities'' (RFA sections 603(a) and 
605(b)).
    At the heart of whether EPA was required to convene a panel prior 
to proposing the NAAQS is the question of what ``impact'' an agency 
must assess for an IRFA or a certification. Is an agency supposed to 
assess a rule's impact on the small entities that will have to comply 
with the rule, or the rule's impact on small entities in general, 
whether or not they will be subject to the rule? In the NAAQS case, the 
question arises because of the Congressionally-designed mixture of 
Federal and State responsibilities in setting and implementing the 
NAAQS.
    NAAQS rules establish air quality performance standards that States 
decide how to meet. Under section 110 of the Clean Air Act (CAA), every 
State develops a State implementation plan (SIP) containing the control 
measures that will achieve the NAAQS. States have broad discretion in 
the choice of control measures. In short, it is State rules, not the 
NAAQS themselves, that may establish control requirements applicable to 
small entities, depending on each State's strategy for meeting the 
NAAQS. See Virginia v. EPA, No. 95-1163, slip op. at 20 (D.C.Cir. March 
11, 1997), quoting Union Electric v. EPA, 427 U.S. 246, 269 (1976) 
(``section 110 left to the states `the power to determine which sources 
would be burdened by regulations and to what extent' '').
    To properly interpret ``impact'' under the RFA, EPA looked at the 
RFA's stated purpose, its requirements for regulatory flexibility 
analyses, its legislative history, the amendments made by SBREFA, and 
case law. All of these traditional tools of statutory construction 
point in one direction--that an agency need only assess the impact of a 
rule on the small entities that will be subject to the rule's 
requirements, because the purpose of a regulatory flexibility analysis 
is to identify what rule requirements will apply to what kinds of small 
entities and how those requirements may be eased or even waived for 
small entities, consistent with the objectives of the statute 
authorizing the rule. Since NAAQS rules do not establish requirements 
that apply to small entities, they cannot be eased or waived as they 
apply to small entities. They thus do not impose the kind of ``impact'' 
that the RFA was intended to address.
    This interpretation of ``impact'' flows from the express purpose of 
the RFA itself. In the ``Findings'' section of the 1980 law enacting 
the RFA, Congress expressed concern that agencies were writing rules 
with big businesses in mind, but applying those rules uniformly to big 
and small businesses (Public Law 96-354, section 2(a)). Congress noted 
that it is generally easier for big businesses (and governments) to 
comply with regulations, and that small businesses are, therefore, at a 
competitive disadvantage in complying with one-size-fits-all rules. 
Congress also noted that small entities' relative contribution to the 
problem a rule is supposed to solve may not warrant applying the same 
requirements to large and small entities alike. In the RFA itself, 
Congress therefore stated:
    ``It is the purpose of this Act to establish as a principle of 
regulatory issuance that agencies shall endeavor, consistent with the 
objectives of the rule and of applicable statutes, to fit regulatory 
and informational requirements to the scale of the businesses, 
organizations, and governmental jurisdictions subject to regulation. 
[Public Law 96-354, section 2(b).]''
    The RFA sections governing initial and final regulatory flexibility 
analyses reflect this statement of purpose. RFA sections 603 and 604 
require that initial and final regulatory flexibility analyses identify 
the types and estimate the numbers of small entities ``to which the 
proposed rule will apply'' (sections 603(b)(3) and 604(a)(3)). 
Similarly, they require a description of the ``projected reporting, 
record keeping and other compliance requirements of the proposed rule, 
including an estimate of the classes of small entities which will be 
subject to the requirement'' (sections 603(b)(4) and 604(a)(4)). At the 
heart of the analyses is the requirement that agencies identify and 
consider ``significant regulatory alternatives'' that would 
``accomplish the stated objectives of applicable statutes and which 
minimize any significant economic impact of the proposed rule on small 
entities'' (sections 603(c) and 604(a)(5)). Among the types of 
alternatives agencies are to consider are the establishment of 
different ``compliance or reporting requirements or timetables'' for 
small entities and exempting small entities ``from coverage of the 
rule, or any part'' of the rule (section 603(c)(1) and (4)). Regulatory 
flexibility analyses are thus to focus on how to minimize rule 
requirements on small entities.
    Since finding that a rule will not have ``a significant economic 
impact on a substantial number of small entities'' exempts a rule from 
the requirement for regulatory flexibility analyses, it makes sense to 
interpret ``impact'' in light of that requirement. As described above, 
regulatory flexibility analyses are to assess how a rule will apply to 
small entities and how its requirements may be minimized with respect 
to small entities. In this context, ``impact'' is appropriately 
interpreted to mean the impact of a rule on the small entities subject 
to the rule's requirements.
    The Federal courts have so held. In 1986, the United States Court 
of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit ``conducted an extensive analysis of 
the RFA provisions governing when a regulatory flexibility analysis is 
required and concluded that no analysis is necessary when an agency 
determines `that the rule will not have a significant economic impact 
on a substantial number of small entities that are subject to the 
requirements of the rule' '' United Distribution Companies v. FERC, 88 
F.3d 1105, 1170 (D.C. Cir. 1996) (citing and quoting Mid-Tex Elec. Co-
op v. FERC, 773 F.2d 327, 342 (D.C. Cir. 1985) (emphasis added by 
United Distribution court)). The Mid-Tex petitioners had claimed that 
the RFA is intended to apply to all rules that affect small entities, 
whether the small entities are directly regulated or not. After 
reviewing the requirements for regulatory flexibility analyses, the 
Mid-Tex court concluded that ``The relevant `economic impact' was the 
impact of compliance with the proposed rule on regulated small 
entities. Reading section 605 [the provision exempting a rule from the 
regulatory flexibility analysis requirement if the agency certifies the 
rule will have no significant economic impact on a substantial number 
of small entities] in light of section 603 [the provision governing 
initial regulatory flexibility analyses], we conclude that an agency 
may properly certify * * * when it determines that the rule will not 
have a significant economic impact on a substantial number of small 
entities that are subject to the requirements of the rule.'' Mid-Tex,, 
773 F.2d at 342.''
    Congress let this interpretation stand when it recently amended the 
RFA in enacting SBREFA. If it had disagreed with the court's decision 
it would have revised the relevant statutory provisions or otherwise 
indicated its disagreement when it enacted SBREFA. Since SBREFA's 
passage, the United Distribution court has reaffirmed the Mid-Tex 
court's interpretation.
    In fact, SBREFA reinforces the conclusion that the RFA is aimed at 
rules that establish requirements that small entities must meet. 
Section 212(a) of SBREFA requires that an agency issue a ``small entity 
compliance guide'' for ``each rule * * * for which an agency is 
required to prepare a final regulatory flexibility analysis under 
section 604'' of the RFA. The guide is ``to assist small entities in 
complying with the rule'' by ``explain[ing] the actions a small entity 
is required to take to comply'' with the rule (SBREFA section 212(a)). 
Obviously, it makes no sense to prepare a small entity compliance guide 
for a rule that does not apply to small entities, so SBREFA stands as 
further confirmation that regulatory flexibility analyses are intended 
to address rules that establish requirements small entities must meet.
    Given the Federal/State partnership for attaining healthy air, the 
proposed NAAQS, if adopted, will not establish any requirements 
applicable to small entities. Instead, any new or revised standards 
will establish levels of air quality that States will achieve by 
adopting plans containing specific control measures for that purpose. 
NAAQS rulemakings are thus not susceptible to regulatory flexibility 
analysis as prescribed by the amended RFA. They establish no 
requirements applicable to small entities, and thus afford no 
opportunity for EPA to fashion for small entities less burdensome 
compliance or reporting requirements or timetables or exemptions from 
all or part of the rules. Moreover, since NAAQS are not applicable to 
small entities, there would be no point in issuing small entity 
compliance guides under SBREFA for them. For these reasons, EPA 
appropriately certified that the ozone and PM NAAQS rulemaking actions 
will not, if promulgated, have a significant economic impact on a 
substantial number of small entities within the meaning of the RFA. 
Since the Agency certified the proposals, it was not required to 
convene a panel for them.
    At the same time, EPA recognizes that the proposed NAAQS standards, 
if promulgated, would begin a process of State implementation that 
could eventually lead to small entities having to comply with new or 
different control measures, depending on the implementation plans 
developed by the States. Under these circumstances, EPA believes that 
the best way to take account of small entity concerns regarding any new 
or revised NAAQS is to work with small entity representatives and 
States to provide information and guidance on how States can address 
small entity concerns when they write their implementation plans. This 
approach is sensible and appropriate given that the Clean Air Act does 
not allow EPA to dictate how States must regulate to attain any new or 
revised NAAQS.
    In line with this approach, as part of the Regulatory Impact 
Analyses it prepared for the proposed NAAQS, EPA analyzed how State 
plans for implementing the proposed standards might affect small 
entities. The analyses were necessarily general and speculative, since 
they depended on projections about what States might do several years 
in the future. Nevertheless, they provide as much insight as possible 
at this point in the NAAQS process.
    The Agency also took steps to ensure that small entities' voices 
are heard and considered in the NAAQS rulemakings themselves. With Jere 
Glover, Chief Counsel for Advocacy of the Small Business Administration 
(SBA), we convened outreach meetings modeled on the SBREFA panel 
process to solicit and convey small entities' concerns with the 
proposed NAAQS. Two meetings were held as part of this process, on 
January 7 and February 28, with a total attendance of 41 
representatives of small businesses, small governments, and small 
nonprofit organizations. Both meetings were attended by representatives 
of SBA and the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), as well as EPA 
staff. A report will be produced based on these meetings to ensure that 
small entity concerns are part of the rulemaking record when the Agency 
makes its final decision on the proposals.
    In light of States' pivotal role in NAAQS implementation, EPA is 
also undertaking a number of additional activities to guide, assist and 
encourage the States to be sensitive to small-entity impacts as they 
implement any new or revised NAAQS. With the Small Business 
Administration, EPA is conducting interagency panels to collect advice 
and recommendations from small-entity representatives on how states 
could lessen the impacts on small entities. If it promulgates new or 
revised NAAQS, EPA will issue materials in two phases to help States 
develop their implementation plans. In view of States' discretion in 
implementing the NAAQS, these materials will mostly take the form of 
guidance, which is not subject to the RFA. But regardless of the form 
such materials might take, we intend to employ panel procedures before 
issuing them for public comment. These procedures will include the 
following steps: assessing to the extent possible any potential impact 
on small entities of NAAQS implementation by the States; conducting 
small-entity outreach on those issues; preparing an interagency panel 
report on small entities' concerns and recommendations with respect to 
implementation issues; and completing an analysis of any potential 
small entity impacts in light of the panel report. The Agency will then 
consider whether to change the materials in light of the report.
    To supplement the input we receive from the aforementioned panel 
process, EPA is augmenting its Federal Advisory Committee Act (FACA) 
process to add more small-entity representatives to the subcommittee on 
NAAQS implementation. These representatives have formed a small-entity 
caucus to develop and bring to the subcommittee a focused approach to 
small-entity issues. These new subcommittee members are also part of 
the larger group involved in the aforementioned panel process, and we 
are encouraging them to work together to share the views of the larger 
group with the FACA subcommittee. In this way, EPA hopes to promote the 
consideration of small entity concerns and advice throughout the NAAQS 
implementation process.

                          NAAQS CASAC CONCERNS

    Question. I understand that EPA's Clean Air Scientific Advisory 
Committee is urging EPA to revamp its particulate research strategy, 
including putting resources into the issue of whether there is a link 
between exposure to fine particles and premature mortality. CASAC 
believes EPA's research budget request of $26 million is inadequate. 
What are you doing to address CASAC's concerns?
    Answer. The Clean Air Scientific Advisory Committee (CASAC) 
reviewed two draft documents, ``Particulate Matter Research Needs for 
Human Health Risk Assessment'' and ``Particulate Matter Research 
Program Strategy'' at a public meeting on November 18 and 19, 1996. 
During this meeting a number of constructive comments were provided by 
individual CASAC members, and on March 12, 1997 a letter providing 
CASAC summary comments was provided to the Administrator. In some areas 
the CASAC provided general comments (e.g., use of the risk assessment 
framework to identify and prioritize research and allocate resources to 
the effort; research resources are insufficient), and in other areas 
there was a consensus on specific research priorities (e.g., that 
epidemiological research on links between long-term exposure to 
particulate matter (PM) and life shortening and other long-term health 
effects was among the highest priorities). Beyond a consensus view in 
these few areas, however, the opinions of the members varied and the 
committee did not achieve a consensus on an overall set of priorities.
    The PM research strategy is being revised to incorporate 
suggestions provided by CASAC regarding general structural, 
presentation, and context issues. The comments of individual members 
will be carefully considered and revisions will be made where 
appropriate to reflect the many constructive suggestions. More 
importantly, the core issue of the document is the prioritization of 
research issues and, in the final document, the Agency will incorporate 
the consensus recommendations of CASAC regarding highest priority 
research areas. Specifically, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) 
will emphasize: (1) research to elucidate mechanisms of PM-associated 
mortality and morbidity to determine the biological plausibility of 
effects associated with PM exposures; (2) epidemiological research on 
links between long-term exposure to PM and life shortening and other 
long-term health effects; (3) research to examine linkages between 
health effects and personal exposures to physical-chemical subclasses 
of PM; (4) research to refine our understanding of exposure-dose-
effects relationships to particles, alone and in combination with other 
air pollutants; and (5) research to provide a better understanding of 
personal exposure to PM, especially of individuals thought to be most 
susceptible. All these areas were identified in the draft research 
strategy, and EPA's research program in these and other areas will 
provide a solid basis for the next National Ambient Air Quality 
Standards review. Research also will be conducted in other areas, such 
as the development of a Federal Reference Method, consistent with the 
need to improve the scientific and technical basis for implementation 
of PM standards.
    Regarding CASAC comments on the level of resources allocated to PM 
research, the ORD Strategic Plan identifies PM as one of six highest 
priority research areas, clearly underscoring the importance the Agency 
places on PM research. The fiscal year 1998 PM total President's Budget 
request represents an increase of between 200 and 300 percent above the 
fiscal year 1995 PM resources. With the requested fiscal year 1998 
resources EPA is in a position to make substantial headway in 
addressing critical PM research issues in the next several years, and 
the fiscal year 1998 request is consistent with the need to conduct PM 
research.
    The Agency cannot and does not expect to attack this problem alone. 
We are working with other Federal agencies (such as, the National 
Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, etc.) through the Committee on 
Environmental and Natural Resources, the private sector (through our 
cooperative ventures with the Health Effects Institute and outreach to 
industry), and with other countries, such as Canada, the Netherlands, 
and other European countries, all of whom have begun to take this 
important problem into consideration under new regulations and 
guidelines, and have increased their research. With this multi-
participant approach and its own strong research program, EPA can 
provide a leadership role to ensure that critical research needs are 
met.

             COMMUNITY RIGHT-TO-KNOW--KALAMAZOO INITIATIVE

    Question. EPA is proposing $35 million for a new ``right-to-know'' 
initiative. How is this initiative different from the existing Toxics 
Release Inventory program?
    Answer. The Environmental Monitoring for Public Access and 
Community Tracking (EMPACT) program will provide at least 75 of the 
largest metropolitan areas (by population) in the U.S. with access to 
information regarding local environmental characteristics and relevant 
scientific and technical tools to understand and interpret the 
information. EMPACT is a program founded on collaboration across the 
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Program Offices and Regions, as 
well as with the United States Geological Survey (USGS) and the 
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) (partner EMPACT 
agencies). EMPACT will: incorporate improved and updated technology 
solutions for real- or relevant-time environmental measurement and 
monitoring; ensure that the information is useful and timely for 
families and communities; facilitate easy public access to 
comprehensive environmental data; and provide effective tools for 
communicating and interpreting environmental data. The Toxics Release 
Inventory (TRI) program is a national data base identifying facilities, 
chemicals manufactured and used at those facilities and the annual 
accidental and routine releases of these materials. TRI data will be 
included in the collections of information provided to EMPACT 
communities.
    Question. What type of information will be made available through 
this new program and how will it be made available?
    Answer. There are two distinct tracks for providing information 
through EMPACT. One track is the delivery of existing environmental 
monitoring information. Currently, the public is presented with a 
myriad of conflicting information that is of questionable quality and 
clarity and typically dated. The first track of EMPACT will provide the 
EMPACT cities with the best available data from USGS, NOAA (partner 
agencies in EMPACT) and EPA. Existing, easily understood information 
will be disseminated through the Internet. This track will gradually be 
phased out, to be replaced with a second track. At this point, EMPACT 
agencies will work with communities to identify opportunities to 
upgrade existing monitoring and data collection activities and provide 
the information in a format that is easily understood. This will result 
in the widespread use of real-time measurement and communication 
technologies. The experience gained by the EMPACT cities will be 
leveraged for the development of a framework that will enable the 
transfer of these technologies to other interested cities and 
communities.
    Question. To what extent has EPA consulted with citizens to assess 
the type of information which would be useful?
    Answer. During these early planning stages of EMPACT, EPA has 
relied on information provided by the Regions relevant to the types of 
information that would be useful to the 75 candidate cities. There is 
currently under development a formal plan that outlines an approach for 
interactions with the citizens, cities and states. The plan will 
facilitate consultation with citizens to assess the type of information 
which would be useful and desirable.
    Question. How will the areas be selected?
    Answer. The 75 metropolitan areas have been identified on the basis 
of population (source: Census Bureau). In addition, we are exploring 
metropolitan areas that are not represented by the top 75 cities.
    Question. How will you ensure that the information which is 
provided in a context to make it relevant and meaningful?
    Answer. A number of partners will be engaged to accomplish the goal 
of providing information in a context that is relevant and meaningful. 
EMPACT is currently reviewing options for collaborations with the 
private sector, focus groups in communities and non-profit 
participation.

                            urban livability

    QUESTION. IN THE FISCAL YEAR 1997 BUDGET, EPA PROPOSED A NEW 
initiative called ``Sustainable Development Challenge Grants,'' for 
which $5 million was appropriated. EPA has requested $15 million in 
fiscal year 1998. According to agency material on the program, these 
grants ``will be catalysts that challenge communities to invest in a 
sustainable future, recognizing that sustainable environmental quality, 
economic prosperity, and social equity are inextricably linked.'' What 
has been accomplished to date with this program?
    Answer. In fiscal year 1996, EPA received over 600 proposals. 
Approximately 75 percent of the proposals had an urban focus, 25 
percent rural. To date seven projects have received grant funding and 
EPA anticipates that three more grants will be awarded shortly.
    This year, in addition to completing award of the fiscal year 1996 
grants, EPA has prepared a Federal Register notice calling for 
proposals for Sustainable Development Challenge Grants. We expect to 
solicit proposals in April 1997 with proposals due three months from 
the date of publication in the Federal Register. After receipt and 
review of the proposals, EPA expects to make grant decisions in October 
1997.

                 URBAN LIVABILITY VS. CHALLENGE GRANTS

    Question. In the fiscal year 1997 operating plan, EPA proposed a 
new initiative called ``Urban Livability'' and $5.5 million is 
requested for this program in fiscal year 1998. ``The program is 
designed to provide cities with tools and information to develop 
community-based solutions to pressing environmental issues.'' The 
challenge grants are to ``catalyze community-based projects to enhance 
environmental quality.'' Other than the urban emphasis, how is the new 
initiative different from challenge grants?
    Answer. The sustainable development challenge grants are 
complimentary to the urban livability initiative. The primary activity 
within the urban initiative is to identify generic urban environmental 
problems. EPA currently plans to use pilot cities (one in 1997 and 
three in 1998) as the ``real-world'' basis for the urban initiative. By 
bringing together other federal agencies, local governments, and 
private sector partners in the pilot programs, together, EPA and its 
partners will use either existing tools or develop new tools to propose 
solutions that can be replicated in urban areas across the country. 
Funds from the grant program can be used to support urban livability 
initiatives in pilot areas but also may be used to provide seed money 
to encourage community based development of solutions for site-specific 
projects that solve environmental problems, encourage economic 
development, and foster clean urban environments while removing 
barriers to development and economic growth.

        URBAN LIVABILITY AND PERFORMANCE PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENTS

    Question. Why is yet another initiative necessary? Why not allow 
states to fund such projects as part of their performance partnership 
agreements, rather than having a new EPA program?
    Answer. The urban livability initiative is necessary in order to 
develop a unified national program that cities and localities can look 
to for a tool bag of strategies and solutions to common urban 
environmental problems that can be used in urban areas across the 
country. EPA will use a pilot city approach to assist in identifying 
the environmental issues and will work hand-in-hand with partners and 
stakeholders to develop strategies and tools and to propose solutions 
to urban environmental problems while encouraging economic development 
and removing barriers to economic development and growth.
    EPA will use part of the requested funding to develop the tools and 
information needed to carry out the urban livability initiative. EPA 
will use the other part of the funding to stimulate state and local 
efforts to address urban environmental problems. We expect that State 
and local governments will look to the urban livability initiative as a 
model and in the future, may use performance partnership grants, other 
federal grant funds, and state, local and nongovernmental resources to 
carry out urban livability initiatives. In allocating funds to pilot 
areas, EPA will give priority to those areas that demonstrate 
commitment by targeting other resources.

                 ADVANCED MEASUREMENT INITIATIVE (AMI)

    Question. EPA proposed a new initiative in the fiscal year 1997 
operating plan called the Advanced Measurement Initiative. EPA 
requested $1 million in fiscal year 1997 and additional $4 million in 
fiscal year 1998. The program is intended ``to accelerate the 
application of advanced technologies to enhance environmental 
measurement and monitoring capabilities,'' such as remote sensing.
    What specific roles will other agencies plan in this initiative, 
and are they committed to this program?
    Answer. A key part of the initiative is to work in partnership with 
other agencies that have developed relevant technologies and 
demonstrated related applications and techniques. In the first phase of 
AMI, EPA, NASA and DOE have held and will hold workshops to assess 
environmental needs of the Agency, and to demonstrate applications of 
advanced technologies.
    AMI will also work with other agencies as sponsors or partners in 
pilot applications to identify and potentially adapt technologies. A 
significant role of each agency in these partnerships will be to verify 
techniques that will produce information that each agency will need, 
accept and deem credible. The specific roles and commitments of a 
partner agency will depend upon each AMI project.
    Question. What will you do with just $4 million to develop these 
existing technologies to meet EPA's needs?
    Answer. AMI will apply the $4 million and leverage the investment 
of other agencies to identify, adapt and apply existing innovative 
environmental monitoring and observation tools. EPA will invest 
resources to conduct a small number of applications to demonstrate the 
technical and institutional uses of these technologies, verify 
acceptable methods, and determine lessons to implement other advanced 
technologies throughout EPA in the future.
    Question. Given the states are responsible for a significant amount 
of environmental monitoring, what role will they play in the selection 
and prioritorization of projects?
    Answer. EPA appreciates that the states are responsible for a 
significant amount of environmental monitoring and recognizes that 
implementation of advanced technologies and improved techniques will 
involve state participation. In the process of project selection, AMI 
will include state representatives in the peer review
    Question. When do you expect these technologies will be made 
available for environmental monitoring?
    Answer. The ability to apply advanced technologies depends largely 
on two factors: (1) the maturity of the technology, and (2) the ability 
of the organization to incorporate the technology into its standard 
operating procedures. Each factor has its own development timeframe, 
but one may not always want to address both factors in parallel. In 
general, AMI does not feel it is wise to tackle institutional issues 
before a technology demonstrates a significant potential.
    AMI estimates that the projects will involve technical and 
institutional issues involving technology verification and acceptance 
in approximately 1-5 years. Availability will depend upon the projects 
that are selected and the technical and institutional factors involved. 
The sooner the technologies are verified and the institutional issues 
are resolved to accept information from new sources, the sooner EPA can 
expect a proliferation of environmental monitoring technologies from 
the private sector.

                   STAR AWARDS BY STATE AND CATEGORY

    Question. Please provide a state-by-state breakdown of STAR awards 
by category (focused RFA's, Exploratory Research Grants Program, and 
the Graduate Fellowship Program).
    Answer. Following are a series of tables which identify the total 
STAR Program awards by state for fiscal year 1995 and fiscal year 1996. 
The dollar values listed below are total commitments by EPA for new 
1995 and 1996 grants, and include future increments of funding. In 
addition to the below listing, partner funding of nine jointly-funded 
grants increases the funding by approximately $1.37 million. In 
addition to the listing below, there are 55 partner-funded grants 
resulting from our joint solicitations. The total funding of those 
grants is approximately $18.84 million.

                       RESEARCH FUNDING BY STATE

    Question. Please provide a table listing the distribution of all 
EPA research funding by state for the two most recent years this data 
is available.
    Answer.

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                                                               Fiscal year 1995            Fiscal year 1996     
                                                         -------------------------------------------------------
                                                            Number        Amount        Number        Amount    
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RFA's...................................................          87     $26,029,758         144     $77,672,873
Exploratory.............................................          87      26,609,795          51      18,849,648
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      Total.............................................         174      52,639,553         195      96,522,621
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                                          Fiscal year 1995 RFA award       Fiscal year 1995       Fiscal year 1996 RFA award       Fiscal year 1996     
                                         ----------------------------     Exploratory awards     ----------------------------     Exploratory awards    
                  State                                              ----------------------------                            ---------------------------
                                              No.         Funding         No.         Funding         No.         Funding         No.         Funding   
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Alabama.................................  ..........  ..............           1        $118,996           2        $783,779  ..........  ..............
Alaska..................................  ..........  ..............  ..........  ..............  ..........  ..............  ..........  ..............
Arizona.................................           2        $425,258  ..........  ..............           3       1,329,755           2        $793,068
Arkansas................................  ..........  ..............  ..........  ..............           1         538,785           1         481,991
California..............................           8       1,859,809          15       4,301,399           7       4,795,847           9       3,139,106
Colorado................................           5         885,616           5       1,223,136          11       7,062,624           3       1,340,300
Connecticut.............................  ..........  ..............  ..........  ..............           1         572,710           2         697,735
Delaware................................  ..........  ..............           1         334,455  ..........  ..............  ..........  ..............
District of Columbia....................           5       1,192,341           2         232,227           2         375,000  ..........  ..............
Florida.................................           1         407,769           2         478,512           4       2,558,883  ..........  ..............
Georgia.................................           4       1,123,855           1         189,104           5       1,934,686           1         264,669
Guam....................................  ..........  ..............  ..........  ..............           1         353,723  ..........  ..............
Hawaii..................................  ..........  ..............           1         420,636  ..........  ..............  ..........  ..............
Idaho...................................  ..........  ..............           1         323,920  ..........  ..............           1         280,133
Illinois................................           3         779,964           2         705,442           1         350,000  ..........  ..............
Indiana.................................           1         100,000           1       3,000,000           2       1,834,141           1         356,212
Iowa....................................           1         635,257           4         763,496           5       2,011,271  ..........  ..............
Kansas..................................           1         220,000  ..........  ..............           2         804,697  ..........  ..............
Kentucky................................           2         676,200  ..........  ..............           1         475,760           1         346,543
Louisiana...............................  ..........  ..............           1         362,823  ..........  ..............           1         165,436
Maine...................................  ..........  ..............  ..........  ..............  ..........  ..............  ..........  ..............
Maryland................................           2       1,119,824           1         242,538           7       5,678,816  ..........  ..............
Massachusetts...........................           7       2,561,985           6       1,726,798          14       5,965,627           6       2,695,438
Michigan................................           2         287,802  ..........  ..............           5       2,159,811           2         765,794
Minnesota...............................           3         835,000  ..........  ..............           5       3,105,350  ..........  ..............
Mississippi.............................  ..........  ..............           3         541,531           2       1,197,259  ..........  ..............
Missouri................................  ..........  ..............           1         267,000           1         190,000  ..........  ..............
Montana.................................  ..........  ..............  ..........  ..............           1         329,735  ..........  ..............
Nebraska................................  ..........  ..............  ..........  ..............  ..........  ..............  ..........  ..............
New Hampshire...........................  ..........  ..............  ..........  ..............  ..........  ..............  ..........  ..............
New Jersey..............................           2         549,950           2         668,961           3       1,309,690  ..........  ..............
New Mexico..............................           1         184,998           1         155,609  ..........  ..............           1         500,000
New York................................           5       2,296,666           6       1,834,844          11       4,333,999           1         335,507
Nevada..................................  ..........  ..............  ..........  ..............           1         767,805           1         288,645
North Carolina..........................           5       1,321,400           3         714,781          15       7,704,339           3       1,138,428
North Dakota............................  ..........  ..............  ..........  ..............           2         485,285           1         374,925
Ohio....................................           4       1,249,784           4       1,245,662           2         922,347           1         488,000
Oklahoma................................           1         244,955  ..........  ..............           3         836,654  ..........  ..............
Oregon..................................           2         896,975           5       1,372,345           2       1,844,846           2         824,802
Pennsylvania............................           5       1,241,481           5       1,598,032           8       3,412,653           1         218,643
Puerto Rico.............................  ..........  ..............           2         477,292  ..........  ..............  ..........  ..............
Rhode Island............................           1         125,972  ..........  ..............           1         165,081  ..........  ..............
South Carolina..........................           1         465,300  ..........  ..............           1         484,376           1         372,642
South Dakota............................  ..........  ..............  ..........  ..............  ..........  ..............  ..........  ..............
Tennessee...............................           1         139,327  ..........  ..............           1       1,697,105           1         359,300
Texas...................................           4       1,580,992           6       1,707,244           4       1,519,918           2         579,170
Utah....................................           1         330,000  ..........  ..............           1         353,103           1         315,706
Vermont.................................  ..........  ..............  ..........  ..............  ..........  ..............  ..........  ..............
Virginia................................           3         779,990           2         529,763           1         283,737           3         963,642
Washington..............................           3       1,351,378           1         259,064           4       6,680,650           2         763,813
West Virginia...........................  ..........  ..............  ..........  ..............  ..........  ..............  ..........  ..............
Wisconsin...............................           1         160,000           1         401,130           1         463,117  ..........  ..............
Wyoming.................................  ..........  ..............           1         413,055  ..........  ..............  ..........  ..............
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                       RESEARCH FUNDING BY STATE

    Questions. Please provide a table listing the distribtuion of all 
EPA research funding by state for the two most recent years this data 
is available.
    Answer:

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                                                          Fiscal year 1995 awards      Fiscal year 1996 awards  
                                                       ---------------------------------------------------------
                         State                             No. of                       No. of                  
                                                        fellowships   Total dollars  fellowships   Total dollars
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Alabama...............................................  ...........  ..............  ...........  ..............
Alaska................................................  ...........  ..............  ...........  ..............
Arizona...............................................  ...........  ..............            6        $168,160
Arkansas..............................................  ...........  ..............  ...........  ..............
California............................................           11        $320,326           20         528,984
Colorado..............................................            5         134,076           10         263,470
Connecticut...........................................            6         192,328            3         102,000
Delaware..............................................  ...........  ..............  ...........  ..............
D.C...................................................  ...........  ..............  ...........  ..............
Florida...............................................            2          58,759            3          75,931
Georgia...............................................            1          25,344            2          58,716
Guam..................................................  ...........  ..............  ...........  ..............
Hawaii................................................            1          29,341            1          19,954
Idaho.................................................  ...........  ..............  ...........  ..............
Illinois..............................................            7         235,212            6         167,952
Indiana...............................................            1          26,192            1          32,090
Iowa..................................................            2          58,520  ...........  ..............
Kansas................................................  ...........  ..............            1          31,270
Kentucky..............................................  ...........  ..............  ...........  ..............
Louisiana.............................................  ...........  ..............  ...........  ..............
Maine.................................................  ...........  ..............  ...........  ..............
Maryland..............................................            2          57,150            4         118,415
Massachusetts.........................................            5         169,682           10         321,884
Michigan..............................................            6         167,878            3         127,746
Minnesota.............................................            3          85,260  ...........  ..............
Missouri..............................................  ...........  ..............            2          53,146
Montana...............................................  ...........  ..............  ...........  ..............
Nebraska..............................................            1          24,310  ...........  ..............
New Hampshire.........................................  ...........  ..............            2          68,000
New Jersey............................................            2          58,700            1          31,032
New Mexico............................................            2          48,152  ...........  ..............
New York..............................................           12         348,459            6         190,881
Nevada................................................            1          23,623            1          25,138
North Carolina........................................            4         108,420            6         165,608
North Dakota..........................................  ...........  ..............  ...........  ..............
Ohio..................................................            1          38,405            1          29,302
Oklahoma..............................................            1          26,742            2          53,163
Oregon................................................            4         138,881            1          27,047
Pennsylvania..........................................            5         176,025  ...........  ..............
Puerto Rico...........................................  ...........  ..............  ...........  ..............
Rhode Island..........................................            1          26,891  ...........  ..............
South Carolina........................................            2          50,066  ...........  ..............
South Dakota..........................................  ...........  ..............  ...........  ..............
Tennessee.............................................  ...........  ..............            2          60,011
Texas.................................................            6         174,354            4         124,935
Utah..................................................  ...........  ..............            1          24,532
Vermont...............................................  ...........  ..............  ...........  ..............
Virginia..............................................            2          53,162            2          53,654
Washington............................................            1          37,333            3          85,159
West Virginia.........................................  ...........  ..............            1          29,366
Wisconsin.............................................            3          87,118            1          24,466
Wyoming...............................................  ...........  ..............            1          24,741
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                                 ORD GRANTS AND COOPERATIVE AGREEMENTS BY STATE                                 
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                                                                     Fiscal year 1995        Fiscal year 1996   
                              State                              -----------------------------------------------
                                                                  Awards   Total dollars  Awards   Total dollars
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ALASKA..........................................................       2         728,146       1          15,000
ALABAMA.........................................................      12       2,718,648      11       3,214,170
ARKANSAS........................................................       5         641,797       1          75,000
ARIZONA.........................................................       9       1,916,547       4       2,001,427
CALIFORNIA......................................................      78      17,280,805      44       9,774,089
COLORADO........................................................      24       4,661,485      17       5,082,973
CONNECTICUT.....................................................       3         278,224       3         310,886
D.C.............................................................      95      18,137,464      68      13,600,494
DELAWARE........................................................       2         165,836       1         105,489
FLORIDA.........................................................      20       2,984,099      12       2,367,274
GEORGIA.........................................................      23       5,536,950      19       3,317,351
HAWAII..........................................................       3         245,629       1         140,373
IOWA............................................................      10       2,281,144       8       1,959,372
IDAHO...........................................................       5         769,249       3         265,400
ILLINOIS........................................................      14       2,058,854       4         720,236
INDIANA.........................................................       8       1,516,134       5       1,324,533
KANSAS..........................................................       7       4,844,816       4       1,284,755
KENTUCKY........................................................       6      11,374,961       4         320,956
LOUISIANA.......................................................      14       5,868,190       7       1,094,240
MASSACHUSETTS...................................................      43      13,281,796      28       5,642,964
MARYLAND........................................................      14       2,675,171       8       2,960,597
MAINE...........................................................       2       2,667,400       3         277,644
MICHIGAN........................................................      25      14,600,089      19       5,859,039
MINNESOTA.......................................................      14       2,024,859       8       2,488,114
MISSOURI........................................................       6         632,727       1          89,000
MISSISSIPPI.....................................................      10       1,322,523       5         901,568
MONTANA.........................................................       2         204,697      44      10,261,042
NORTH CAROLINA..................................................      79      21,280,549       3         492,094
NORTH DAKOTA....................................................       2       1,098,183       1         100,135
NEBRASKA........................................................       2          79,031      14       3,071,019
NEW HAMPSHIRE...................................................       3         499,983       3         418,541
NEW JERSEY......................................................      17       7,842,262       3         616,669
NEW MEXICO......................................................       5         569,596      21       2,194,661
NEVADA..........................................................       8       1,062,743      27       3,154,601
NEW YORK........................................................      34       4,803,501       5         936,110
OHIO............................................................      43       7,704,762      14       3,776,980
OKLAHOMA........................................................       4         666,666      15       2,315,102
OREGON..........................................................      23       6,175,135       3         322,153
PENNSYLVANIA....................................................      28       3,979,698       1         133,512
RHODE ISLAND....................................................       3         724,623       2         690,919
SOUTH CAROLINA..................................................       2         489,911      14       1,672,581
TENNESSEE.......................................................       6         856,075       1         126,804
TEXAS...........................................................      33       9,259,608       1          54,150
UTAH............................................................       3       1,030,000      14       2,664,152
VIRGINIA........................................................      12       1,333,426       4         500,916
VERMONT.........................................................       1          50,846       1         128,930
WASHINGTON......................................................      19       2,548,920      14       2,664,152
WISCONSIN.......................................................      14       1,610,517       4         500,916
WYOMING.........................................................       2         476,667       1         128,930
                                                                 -----------------------------------------------
      TOTALS....................................................  ......      68,945,214  ......      78,335,658
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                             EPSCOR AWARDS

    Question. Please provide a summary of recent EPSCoR Awards
    Answer. The table below summarizes all EPA EPSCoR Awards for fiscal 
years 1993 through 1995. Resources appropriated to EPA for the EPSCoR 
program for fiscal years 1996 and 1997 will be awarded to new proposals 
submitted in response to the 1996 December EPSCoR program announcement.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                            EPA funding 
       Lead institution/participating institutions            amount    
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                    Fiscal year 1993                                    
                                                                        
University of Alabama/Auburn University.................        $400,000
University of South Carolina/Clemson University.........         400,000
                                                                        
                    Fiscal year 1994                                    
                                                                        
University of Nevada, Reno/University Nevada Las Vegas,                 
 Desert Research Institute..............................         394,000
North Dakota State University/University of North Dakota         394,000
University of Puerto Rico/International Institute of                    
 Tropical Forestry......................................         394,000
University of Idaho/Idaho State University..............         394,000
University of Kansas....................................         394,000
                                                                        
                    Fiscal year 1995                                    
                                                                        
University of Louisville/Eastern Kentucky University....         326,667
University of Wyoming...................................         326,667
University of Mississippi/Jackson State University......         326,667
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                             EPSCOR REPORT

    Question. The report accompanying the fiscal year 1997 VA, HUD and 
Independent Agencies Appropriations bill directed the EPA to report to 
Congress within 6 months on the Agency's Experimental Program to 
stimulate Competitive Research. Please provide the Committee with the 
status of the report, and indicate any particular challenges 
encountered thus far.
    Answer. The report to Congress on the Experimental Program to 
Stimulate Competitive Research (EPSCoR) program is in the final stages 
of review within the Administration. There have been no significant 
challenges or problems identified in EPA during the writing and review 
process.

                          EPSCOR NSF MODELING

    Question. Last year's Senate report also directed the EPA to model 
its EPSCoR program after the National Science Foundation's EPSCoR 
program and to coordinate the structure and selection process with the 
NSF. Please indicate steps the EPA has taken to coordinate the 
structure and selection process of EPA EPSCoR with the NSF EPSCoR. What 
Impact has this had on the program? What future steps toward this goal 
are expected?
    Answer. EPA's EPSCoR program is modeled after the NSF's EPSCoR 
program. NSF provided guidance on the development of the Agency's first 
planning grants as well as assistance in the preparation of the first 
solicitation for implementation proposals. In addition, like NSF's 
program, EPA's program consists of two parts, a Strategic Improvement 
Plan (SIP) and individual Science and Engineering Environmental 
Research (SEER) project proposals designed to advance the state of 
knowledge in environmental science and engineering. All applications 
received in response to a solicitation are evaluated through a two-
stage, competitive merit-review process. The first stage involves the 
evaluation of individual SEER projects for technical merit by science 
and engineering peer reviewers. The results of the first stage review 
of the SEER's are used by the peer reviewers to evaluate the complete 
EPSCoR application which includes the SIP and the corresponding SEER's. 
This evaluation becomes the basis for guiding Agency approval or 
disapproval for funding decisions on the EPSCoR applications. As a 
follow up to this effort, EPA staff have also participated in a number 
of NSF's EPSCoR application reviews which has enhanced the Agency's 
selection process. In addition, EPA is a member of the EPSCoR 
Interagency Coordinating Committee (EICC) which was established by NSF 
in July 1992 to coordinate EPSCoR activities of six other federal 
agencies. The committee provides a forum which deals with all aspects 
of the EPSCoR Program. EPA will continue to work with NSF and the EICC 
to develop a sound program to support the EPSCoR states.

                      EPSCOR FUNDING DISTRIBUTION

    Question. Of the total amount of research contracts and grants 
provided by the EPA in fiscal year 1995, 8 percent of the funds went to 
18 EPSCoR States and the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico combined. For 
fiscal year 1994, this number was approximately 6.5 percent.
    Given the localized nature of many environmental problems, does EPA 
feel this distribution of research funds is sufficient to meet 
environmental concerns and solve environmental problems in all regions 
of the country? Is this distribution of funds due to a lack of proposal 
submissions from the EPSCoR states, or is it due to a significantly 
lower success rate for these states?
    Answer. EPA's Office of Research and Development (ORD) has 
developed a risk-based strategic plan to direct the overall ORD 
research program to focus on environmental problems presenting the most 
significant risks, but where the uncertainty about the magnitude is 
high. All aspects of ORD's research program are focused on these high 
risk areas in order to provide significant contributions to addressing 
the Nation's environmental problems and to ensure that the results have 
the broadest possible application.
    We have analyzed the distribution and success rates for 
applications submitted to the STAR Program in fiscal year 1996 from 
both EPSCoR and non-EPSCoR states. Interpretation of this information 
at the state level is very difficult because the applications are 
submitted by individuals at different institutions within each state, 
and the range of both applications per state and success rate per state 
is very large. In fiscal year 1996 a total of 1,950 applications was 
received; 324 from 19 EPSCoR eligible participants, with an average of 
17 applications/state, and a range 4-41, and 1,626 from 34 non-EPSCoR 
states, with an average of 48 applications/state, range 1-166. The 
success rate for EPSCoR participants averaged 7 percent with a range 
from 0-18 percent, while the success rate for non-EPSCoR states 
averaged 10 percent with a range 0-33 percent. Because both the number 
of applications per state and the success rate per state varies so 
widely it is not possible to determine a difference between the two 
groups in fiscal year 1996. Furthermore, as discussed in the EPSCoR 
Report to Congress, under the STAR Program in fiscal year 1995 and 
fiscal year 1996 the number of awards, the number of states and the 
number of institutions have all increased.

                            STAR PEER REVIEW

    Question. Also, last year's Senate report encouraged the EPA, as 
part of the STAR Program, to ``give special consideration to proposals 
for EPSCoR States that successfully meet the Agency's peer review 
requirements and are identified in the Agency's competitive award 
process. Will this be reflected in the 1997 Graduate Fellowship awards 
and other aspects of the STAR Program?
    Answer. In accord with prior guidance from Congress, EPA is working 
diligently to improve the quality of its research. We have instituted a 
peer review process for the STAR Program that is patterned after that 
of the NSF. Consequently, we have made our primary consideration 
scientific merit of the application.
    During the past two years, ORD has developed a Strategic Plan which 
guides decisions about research priorities. Using this plan we focus on 
research that deals with environmental issues that pose high risk but 
where there is great uncertainty about the magnitude of the risks; 
leads to new methods and models that can be used broadly across Agency; 
and develops risk reduction and pollution prevention methods where 
order-of-magnitude improvements are possible.
    Finally, we look at ways in which the STAR Program complements 
research that we are doing in EPA laboratories, and the balance of the 
STAR Program in terms of distribution of awards by discipline, 
geographic area, etc.
    As discussed in the previous response and in the EPSCoR Report to 
Congress currently under review, the steps we have taken to ensure 
impartial peer review and relevancy to the EPA mission have permitted 
EPSCoR states to compete effectively for STAR awards.

                                 SBREFA

    Question. How has your agency allocated its personnel and financial 
resources to meet the requirements of SBREFA?
    Answer. The Administrator has delegated agency management of SBREFA 
to the Regulatory Management Division in the Office of Policy, Planning 
and Evaluation. As required by the Act, the agency has named a Small 
Business Advocacy Chair. Additionally, three employees support SBREFA 
compliance activities. All program offices have designated personnel as 
SBREFA coordinators for their respective offices. The program offices 
meet with the Small Business Advocacy Chair regularly to coordinate 
SBREFA implementation.
    OPPE projects that there will be fifteen SBREFA panel processes in 
fiscal year 1998, which will require approximately 20 FTE in agency 
personnel and $125,000 in travel and $150,000 in contract support of 
panel requirements.

                   SBREFA PENALTY REDUCTIONS PROGRAM

    Question. The law requires agencies that regulate small businesses 
to establish a policy or program to provide penalty reductions or 
waivers, where appropriate, to accommodate the good faith efforts of 
small businesses to comply with agency regulations. What steps has your 
agency taken toward instituting such a program? When will this program 
be up and running?
    Answer. Section 223 requires each agency to develop within one year 
of SBREFA's enactment a policy or program providing for reductions or 
waivers of civil penalties for violations of statutory or regulatory 
requirements by small entities under appropriate circumstances. EPA has 
several policies which implement the section 223 requirement. The 
Agency's Policy on Compliance Incentives for Small Businesses (Small 
Business Policy) and a similar policy aimed at municipalities provide 
for civil penalties to be reduced or waived for small entities which 
discover first-time violations through on-site, government-supported 
compliance assistance programs or self-audits, where the entity 
promptly discloses and corrects the violation and meets certain other 
criteria. In a statement made on the Senate floor during congressional 
consideration of SBREFA, Senator Christopher Bond used EPA's Small 
Business Policy as an example of the kind of policy sought by the 
section 223 requirement. Vol. 142 No. 46, 142 Cong Rec S 3242 (Friday, 
March 29, 1996). In addition to that policy, EPA has issued a final 
audit policy entitled ``Incentives for Self-Policing: Discovery, 
Disclosure, Correction and Prevention of Violations'' which creates 
incentives for all entities, including small entities, to voluntarily 
discover, disclose and correct violations of environmental regulations.

                          SBREFA REG FLEX ACT

    Question. Could you share with the committee recent examples of 
your agency's compliance with SBREFA will (has) enhanced your agency's 
compliance with the Reg Flex Act?
    Answer. Prior to the passage of SBREFA, the Agency's reg flex 
policy was to perform a reg flex analysis on all rulemakings that were 
determined to have any impact on any small entities. With the passage 
of SBREFA, the Agency has reviewed guidelines to determine which rules 
will have ``a significant impact on a substantial number of small 
entities'' and, therefore, will be subject to a reg flex analysis. This 
review has established a policy that proposed rules that meet the 
``significant impact on a substantial number'' threshold will have a 
reg flex analysis performed.
    Prior to passage of SBREFA, EPA performed a wide variety of 
outreach activities to small entities. SBREFA Sec. 609 amendments 
requiring Small Business Advocacy Review Panels have formalized many of 
these activities by structuring outreach to small entities in the 
rulemaking process. EPA engages in outreach activities on any 
rulemaking that may have an impact on small entities. This outreach has 
helped determine that, at this time, 15 rules are listed on EPA's 
Provisional Panel list for small business input into the rulemaking 
process. Our first panel, Non Road Diesel Engines, convened on March 
25, 1997. We will convene several more panels in the upcoming months.
    The Agency has reviewed existing procedures for compliance with 
Sec. 610 of the Reg Flex Act. The Agency has previously performed 
Sec. 610 review as part of Sec. 602 Unified Agenda requirements. EPA 
will now publish in the Federal Register a separate listing of rules 
subject to Sec. 610 review.

              SBREFA SMALL BUSINESS ADVOCACY REVIEW PANEL

    Question. What process has your agency implemented to determine 
whether a Small Business Advocacy Review Panel should be established 
prior to publication of a proposed rule?
    Answer. The first steps of the process are actually designed to 
determine whether a panel must be convened. Unless the Agency certifies 
that a rule will not have a significant impact on a substantial number 
of small entities, a panel must be convened. Accordingly, the program 
office responsible for the rule must identify the rule's potential 
impact on small entities as soon as possible, and consider ways of 
structuring the rule to avoid any undue burden on small entities. To 
the extent the program office is successful in designing the rule to 
avoid any significant impact on a substantial number of small entities, 
a panel need not be convened.
    If it is determined that a rule may have a significant impact on a 
substantial number of small entities, the program office will proceed 
with the next steps of the panel process, which include identifying and 
initiating discussions with representatives of small entities 
potentially affected by the rule.
    Because of this process, the program office may still learn as a 
result of further consultations with small entity representatives or 
further analysis that the rule will not have a significant economic 
impact on a substantial number of small entities, and thus that neither 
an initial regulatory flexibility analysis nor a panel is required.

                          SBREFA REVIEW PANELS

    Question. Have review panels been convened to review any 
forthcoming rules?
    Answer. We are currently engaged in one panel which involves a 
forthcoming rulemaking on Non-Road Diesel Engines, and are beginning a 
panel process on the National Ambient Air Quality Standards Phase 1 
Guidelines. We will be moving to convene panels on several other rules 
in the next few months.

                         NAAQS PM-10 REQUEST

    Question. Could you tell the Subcommittee how much of EPA's fiscal 
1998 funding request will be used for PM 2.5 monitoring and how much 
will be used for additional PM 2.5 health effects research?
    Answer. The Agency has requested the following for PM 2.5 
monitoring and research:

                        [In millions of dollars]

                                                             Fiscal year
                                                            1998 request

Environmental Program Management Account:
    PM 10 monitoring..............................................   0.1
    PM 2.5 monitoring.............................................   1.2
                        -----------------------------------------------------------------
                        ________________________________________________
      Total.......................................................   1.3
                        =================================================================
                        ________________________________________________
State and Tribal Assistance Grants:
    PM 10 monitoring..............................................   6.6
    PM 2.5 monitoring.............................................  10.9
                        -----------------------------------------------------------------
                        ________________________________________________
      Total.......................................................  17.5
                        =================================================================
                        ________________________________________________
Science and Technology Account:
    Generic PM research \1\.......................................  12.6
    Specific PM 2.5 research......................................   8.3
    Research grants \2\...........................................   5.7
                        -----------------------------------------------------------------
                        ________________________________________________
      Total.......................................................  26.9

\1\ Generic PM research includes activities that are applicable to both 
PM-10 and PM 2.5 pollutants but could not be segregated.
\2\ For fiscal year 1998 research grants have not yet been awarded but 
are expected to be predominantly for PM 2.5 research.
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                  NAAQS MONITORING AND RESEARCH REPORT

    Question. How does the 1998 funding request for PM compare with 
amounts expended for PM-10 monitoring and research over the past three 
fiscal years? Have any of these monies been expended for PM 2.5 
research or monitoring? If so how much?
    Answer. The table below shows the Agency's funding request for PM 
for fiscal 1998 compared to the previous three years for PM-10 vs. PM 
2.5 and for monitoring versus research. We expended funding in fiscal 
1995-97 for PM 2.5 monitoring methods development and testing. In 
fiscal 1997 the Agency is providing funding to states to begin to 
purchase laboratory equipment and other infrastructure needs for 
monitoring.

                        [In millions of dollars]                        
------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                Fiscal year             
                                 ---------------------------------------
                                                        1997      1998  
                                    1995      1996    estimate   request
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Environmental Program Management                                        
 Account:                                                               
    PM 10 monitoring............       0.4       0.4       0.2       0.1
    PM 2.5 monitoring...........       0.4       0.8       1.1       1.2
                                 ---------------------------------------
      Total.....................       0.8       1.2       1.3      1.30
                                 =======================================
State and Tribal Assistance                                             
 Grants:                                                                
    PM 10 monitoring............       5.5       5.5       6.1       6.6
    PM 2.5 monitoring...........  ........  ........       2.7      10.9
                                 ---------------------------------------
      Total.....................       5.5       5.5       8.8      17.5
                                 =======================================
Science and Technology Account:                                         
    Generic PM research \1\.....       6.4       6.1       8.3      12.6
    Specific PM 2.5 research....       4.3       7.2       7.6       8.3
    Research grants \2\.........  ........  ........       3.2       5.7
                                 ---------------------------------------
      Total.....................      10.6      13.2      19.1      26.6
------------------------------------------------------------------------
\1\ Generic PM research includes activities that are applicable to both 
  PM-10 and PM 2.5 pollutants but could not be segregated.              
\2\ For fiscal year 1995 and 1996, the actual allocation of research    
  grant resources are included in the figures for PM 10 and PM 2.5      
  research. For fiscal year 1997 and 1998 research grants have not yet  
  been awarded but are expected to be predominately for PM 2.5 research.


                      NAAQS BASIC RESEARCH FUNDING

    Question. There has been a realignment of resources in the Agency's 
research program over the past few years to enhance the basic research 
program, primarily through the STAR initiative. Please outline the 
extent to which any and all research performed by the EPA laboratories 
in support of NAAQS standard setting for criteria pollutants has 
declined in the last four fiscal years?
    Answer. The Agency has pursued a balanced research program to 
ensure that we take full advantage of the Agency's strong in-house 
capability (complemented by the procurement of services from 
contracts), as well as engaging university and private sector 
scientists through grants and cooperative agreements. This approach is 
determined by the research requirements and how to best address those 
research requirements. Funding for the National Ambient Air Quality 
Standards (NAAQS) by the Office of Research and Development (ORD) 
laboratories has remained proportional.
    The Science to Achieve Results (STAR) Program reflects the Agency's 
commitment of engaging the participation of the nations's best 
scientists in the implementation of the Agency's research program. 
However, STAR is not a basic research program. Through the STAR 
Program, ORD works with the Agency's National Program Managers to 
develop the Requests for Applications (RFA's) in particular research 
problem areas that are of importance to the Program Offices. The STAR 
program supports the Agency's mission.

                NAAQS RESEARCH FISCAL YEAR 1997 FUNDING

    Question. Describe how the $18.8 million appropriated in fiscal 
year 1997 for PM research was allocated between PM 2.5 research and 
monitoring.
    Answer. The total Particulate Matter (PM) (both PM 2.5 and PM-10) 
research budget in the Environmental Protection Agency's fiscal year 
1997 enacted budget is $19.1 million. (The $18.8 million mentioned 
above refers to the total extramural research dollars in the fiscal 
year 1997 budget.) All of these funds are for research.
    The total research allotted to PM 2.5 breaks as follows. The PM 2.5 
non-grants research portion is $7.6 million, which includes $6.7 
million for PM exposure assessment monitoring and PM monitoring 
methods, $0.225 million for mechanism and dose work, $0.35 million for 
assessments, and $0.3 million for controls. The research grants, which 
will predominantly address PM 2.5, will total $3.2 million. However, 
the PM-10 research includes research on the total population of PM, 
both fine (PM 2.5) and coarse (PM-10), not just coarse PM.
    The Agency's Office of Air and Radiation (OAR) conducts specific PM 
monitoring and, therefore, these monitoring efforts are not included 
within the research budget. In fiscal year 1997, the PM 2.5 monitoring 
efforts includes $1.1 million under the Environmental Program 
Management account and $2.7 million for State and Tribal Assistance 
Grants.

                     NAAQS FISCAL YEAR 1998 FUNDING

    Question. How are the fiscal 1998 funds requested for PM proposed 
to be allocated between EPA and the states? How much will go to the 
EPA's Office of Air and Radiation and how much will go to the Agency's 
Office of Research and Development? Will any of these monies filter 
down to state agencies to install PM 2.5 monitoring systems?
    Answer. Of the total PM budget for fiscal 1998 budget request of 
$73.9 million, $28.5 million is directed to states in assistance 
grants, $18.8 million is proposed for the Office of Air and Radiation 
(including Regional air activities) and $26.6 million is proposed for 
the Office of Research and Development. Of the $28.5 million for state 
assistance grants, $10.9 million will be targeted towards establishing 
a PM 2.5 monitoring network.

                      NAAQS PM RESEARCH INCREASES

    Question. With respect to PM 2.5 health effects research, one of 
the members of the Clean Air Scientific Advisory Committee (CASAC) 
stated that EPA would be well advised to embark on a targeted research 
effort for PM 2.5. He has suggested a 3.5 year effort funded at a level 
of $30 million per year for research only. If the Agency had funding at 
this level, what aspects of PM 2.5 health effects research would you 
propose to enhance?
    Answer. The overarching mission of the Environmental Protection 
Agency's (EPA's) particulate matter (PM) research program is to provide 
an improved scientific basis for future regulatory decisions concerning 
public health risks posed by airborne particles, alone and in 
combination with other air pollutants. EPA is finalizing a research 
strategy, ``Particulate Matter Research Program Strategy: Health, 
Exposure, Assessment and Risk Management Issues,'' targeted to fill 
specific knowledge gaps identified in the Air Quality Criteria Document 
and subsequent PM Research Needs Document. The areas of research that 
need to be addressed to effect these decisions and implementation 
activities are as follows: (1) biological mechanisms, including 
characterization of particle characteristics, both alone and in 
combination with other air pollutants, associated with effects, 
dosimetry and other factors affecting susceptibility, and exposure-
dose-response relationships; (2) population exposures to ambient, 
indoor and personal PM, especially of important subpopulations (e.g., 
children, the elderly, individuals with pre-existing disease) by 
developing and applying improved exposure methodologies and models; (3) 
regional and temporal variability in particle characteristics and 
toxicity; (4) the morbidity and mortality associated with ``real 
world'' short- and long-term exposure to PM and important co-pollutants 
such as ozone, through epidemiology, including development of new 
methods and evaluation of existing data; (5) atmospheric chemistry of 
PM to support fate and transport modeling to support regulatory 
implementation; (6) source contributions to ambient PM concentrations 
and the availability, performance and cost of risk management options 
to meet ambient PM standards; (7) improved particle measurement methods 
to characterize atmospheric PM; and (8) consultation and support to 
enable state, Regional, and international air pollution control 
organizations to perform risk assessments and apply risk management 
approaches with less uncertainty. The fiscal year 1998 budget request 
of $26.6 million will address these areas.

                      NAAQS PM 2.5 MONITORING COST

    Question. With respect to PM 2.5 monitoring, what is EPA's 
estimated costs of installing air quality monitoring systems for all of 
the PM 2.5 nonattainment counties identified by EPA in its proposal? At 
the rate that the Agency is requesting funds for this fiscal year, how 
long do you project that it will take to fund the nationwide monitoring 
program?
    Answer. EPA's monitoring proposal allows for monitoring coverage in 
most metropolitan areas as well as areas that might violate the 
standards. The estimated cost of the proposal for installing and 
operating this network of 1,200 monitoring sites is $70.8 million over 
four years. These costs will be shared by EPA and states. We project 
the nationwide monitoring network will be completed in the year 2000.

                     NAAQS HUMAN HEALTH PROTECTION

    Question. Given the paucity of monitoring data and research, what 
assurances do we have that the proposed NAAQS standards would be 
protective of human health as required by the Clean Air Act?
    Answer. With regard to the availability of fine particle monitoring 
data, over 20 studies have examined fine particle exposures directly 
(using fine particle monitor data, including PM 2.5, from over 50 
cities), and showed associations with serious health effects. EPA used 
fine PM data from two cities (Philadelphia and Los Angeles) in 
performing its exposure and risk assessments. These assessments showed 
significant benefits associated with a fine PM standard. These studies 
and assessments were submitted to the Clean Air Scientific Advisory 
Committee (CASAC) for their review. In its closure letter to the 
Administrator on the PM Staff Paper, CASAC noted that there was a 
consensus, ``that a new PM 2.5 [PM less than 2.5 microns in diameter] 
NAAQS be established, with nineteen [of 21] Panel members endorsing the 
concept of a 24-hour and/or annual PM 2.5 NAAQS.'' (Wolff, 1996) This 
advice from CASAC reflects the Panel members judgments with regard to 
the current scientific basis for making regulatory decisions concerning 
PM standards in the context of this review of the standards and their 
conclusion that such standards are necessary to protect the public 
health with an adequate margin of safety.

                        NAAQS SBREFA PROCEDURES

    Question. Putting aside for a moment our disagreement on NAAQS, 
Mary Nichols' February 11 letter stated that ``regardless of the 
ultimate composition of the implementation materials [meaning they 
would be a mix of rules and guidance], we [the EPA] intend to employ 
RFA/SBREFA procedures before issuing any proposed guidance or rules 
concerning implementation of revised NAAQS.'' Am I correct in assuming 
EPA will comply with the letter and spirit of SBREFA when it enters the 
``implementation'' phase?
    Answer. Yes, EPA plans to continue to follow both the letter and 
spirit of SBREFA as it develops implementation materials. We will 
follow SBREFA panel procedures regardless of the form these materials 
take. For that portion of the materials that is in the form of 
nonbinding guidance, our following of SBREFA procedures is a voluntary 
effort going beyond what SBREFA requires, since the RFA only applies to 
rules as defined in that act. Our intention is to work with small 
businesses to make sure we address their concerns in developing that 
guidance, which the States will ultimately use as they develop their 
plans to attain the NAAQS. To the extent that the materials include 
rules that would have a significant impact on a substantial number of 
small entities, our following of SBREFA procedures for those rules will 
be in fulfillment of the SBREFA panel requirement. In either case, we 
will follow SBREFA procedures to make sure small-business concerns are 
addressed as we develop these materials.

                            NAAQS AND SBREFA

    Question. Because it is unclear what portion of implementation will 
be issued by rulemaking versus guidance, how can the agency comply with 
SBREFA on the one hand and employ ``SBREFA-like'' procedures on the 
other?
    Answer. For that portion of the materials that is in the form of 
guidance, our following of SBREFA procedures is a voluntary effort 
going beyond what SBREFA requires, since SBREFA does not apply to 
guidance that does not have the force and effect of a rule. It is in 
this case that we consider our efforts ``SBREFA-like.'' Our intention 
is to work with small businesses to make sure we address their concerns 
in developing that guidance, which the States will ultimately use as 
they develop their plans to attain the NAAQS.
    To the extent that the materials include rules that would have a 
significant impact on a substantial number of small entities, our 
following of SBREFA procedures for those rules will be in fulfillment 
of a formal SBREFA requirement. In either case, we will follow SBREFA 
procedures to make sure small-business concerns are addressed as we 
develop these materials.

                      FOOD QUALITY PROTECTION ACT

    Question. The recently passed Food Quality Protection Act places 
great emphasis on ensuring that the nation's food supply is safe for 
infants and children. In fact, the new law requires USDA to collect 
data on children's consumption patterns in consultation with EPA so 
that your agency can use actual real world information rather than 
hypothetical assumptions when assessing risk. For EPA decisions to be 
science-based, it is very important that accurate and scientifically 
valid data be used.
    USDA has requested $6 million in the Administration's budget 
request to conduct a new children's food intake survey. What is your 
opinion of the need for this survey and what are your plans for 
ensuring that EPA and USDA do consult to ensure that the information 
collected by the children's survey and USDA's broad Continuing Survey 
of Food Intakes by Individuals is accurate and usable to EPA?
    Answer. EPA has been and continues to be very supportive of USDA's 
programs to improve information on food consumption, particularly 
children's consumption patterns. The need to improve dietary 
assessments for children was originally identified by the National 
Academy of Sciences in its report titled ``Pesticides in the Diets of 
Infants and Children''. One of the major needs identified in fulfilling 
this goal is better data defining the dietary habits of infants and 
children. The major source of food consumption data used by the Agency 
to conduct dietary risk assessments is that generated by USDA. In its 
efforts to update existing data, EPA will use the Continuing Survey of 
Food Intakes by Individuals (CSFII) 1994-1996 survey data to provide 
up-to-date information on food consumption, which reflects changes in 
eating patterns which have occurred due to population behavioral 
changes and changes in ethnic distribution. However, the number of 
children sampled in the CSFII 1994-1996 survey is not sufficient to 
provide an acceptable projection of children's consumption patterns. 
Therefore, EPA has requested that USDA increase the sampling of 
children in the CSFII 1994-1996 to increase confidence in the dietary 
risk assessments for children.
    EPA has already met with USDA--Agriculture Research Service (ARS) 
to discuss the number of children in the survey, timing, and the data 
collection protocol for the survey. EPA and USDA are committed to 
continued communication to ensure that reliable data to assess the risk 
of pesticide exposure to children from foods is developed.
    The supplementary children's survey is specifically designed to 
address the need for greater representation of children in the CSFII 
1994-1996. It is critical that this data is collected in a timely 
manner using a protocol identical to the one used in the 1994-1996 
survey in order to ensure that the data can be combined, increasing our 
ability to accurately and defensibly estimate children's exposure. 
Failure to adhere to the protocol will jeopardize our ability to use 
the combined survey.
    The larger data set will greatly improve the predictive power of 
the survey as a risk assessment tool. The Food Quality Protection Act 
(FQPA) mandates tolerance reassessments for all existing pesticides 
within ten years. A timely supplementary survey will permit EPA to use 
the data in the particularly complex assessments that EPA will conduct 
early in the process, because of the requirement to reassess the 
``worst-first.''
    According to USDA, ARS intends to begin the supplemental survey in 
fiscal year 1998. The results will be available for EPA's use in fiscal 
year 2000. USDA's proposed schedule is sufficient to meet EPA's needs. 
EPA and USDA staff have also begun detailed discussion of the design of 
USDA's next CSFII.

                        TRI PHASE II AND SBREFA

    Question. I am concerned about a rulemaking that is currently at 
OMB, TRI Phase II and how the agency may have tried to skirt the 
requirements of the Small Business Regulatory Enforcement Fairness Act 
(SBREFA) and the Paperwork Reduction Act--both of these were supported 
by the President. I understand that this proposed TRI rulemaking was 
issued on June 27, 1996--just two days before SBREFA became effective. 
It would appear that the agency was trying to avoid some of the 
requirements of SBREFA by hastily proposing this rule. For instance, 
convening small business panels to discuss the rule. Also, the 
Paperwork Reduction Act requires the Agency take all ``practical steps 
to develop separate and simplified requirements for small businesses 
and other small entities.'' Can you tell me what the agency has done to 
comply with both SBREFA and the Paperwork Reduction Act for this 
rulemaking?
    Answer. EPA's rulemaking record for the TRI Facilities Expansion 
Rule (TRI-Phase II) clearly demonstrates that EPA did not ``hastily 
propose this rule.'' EPA has been working with TRI stakeholders since 
1992 to identify appropriate sectors for inclusion in this core Right-
to-Know Program. A review of EPA's outreach, screening process, and 
rulemaking record indicate a thorough and lengthy sector selection 
process. EPA scheduled issuance of the proposed rule for TRI Phase II 
long before the SBREFA requirements came into effect. TRI Facility 
Expansion has been included in the Agencies Annual Regulatory Plan and 
Semi-annual Regulatory Agenda as far back as November 1992. EPA 
conducted a public meeting on Facility Expansion in May 1992. In the 
May 1996 Regulatory Agenda, EPA indicated that the proposed rule would 
be issued in May 1996. However, EPA delayed issuance of the proposal to 
accommodate additional meetings and stakeholder discussions requested 
by various sectors including Chemical Distribution and Hazardous Waste. 
EPA issued its proposed rule on June 27, 1996, not to avoid the 
requirements associated with SBREFA, but to avoid the delays associated 
with repeating its outreach effort. EPA's issuance of this proposal on 
June 27, 1996 reflects a balancing of the Agency's commitment to hear 
from all stakeholders prior to proposal with its obligation to respond 
to President Clinton's August 1995 Directive calling for expedited 
expansion of the TRI program.
    At proposal, EPA provided a number of alternatives for reporting 
and facility coverage for the proposed sectors. As a result, the Agency 
did not take a specific position on whether the rule would have a 
significant impact on a substantial number of small entities. Instead, 
EPA chose to prepare an initial regulatory flexibility analysis and 
presented the analysis for public comment in conjunction with the 
proposed rule. EPA carefully evaluated and considered all comments that 
were provided to the Agency on this issue. EPA believes that its 
sensitivity to small business concerns in developing the proposal, its 
proposal of alternatives, and other provisions such as small facility 
exemptions already built into the program and EPA's commitment to 
assist small businesses with their compliance with the program, more 
than satisfy the provisions of the Regulatory Flexibility Act (RFA) in 
effect at the time of the proposal.
    Notwithstanding the Agency's intention to certify pursuant to 
section 605(b) of the RFA that the rule will not have a significant 
economic impact on a substantial number of small entities, EPA remains 
committed to minimizing small entity impacts when feasible and to 
ensuring that small entities receive assistance to ease their burden of 
compliance. Consequently, in developing the final rule EPA has chosen 
to consider all of the elements of a final regulatory flexibility 
analysis as set forth in section 604. In addition, as noted above, EPA 
will be preparing compliance guides and offering assistance to small 
businesses in complying with the rule.
    With regard to the Paperwork Reduction Act (PRA), EPA believes that 
it has and will continue to work on simplification of reporting 
requirements for small businesses and other small entities. EPA has 
already provided an abbreviated reporting form for facilities with 
relatively low annual reportable amounts, has provided a hotline and 
training sessions for technical assistance, is developing sector 
specific reporting guidance, and provided facility specific, pre-
printed forms and user friendly software packages. In addition to these 
efforts, EPA will convene a stakeholder process to review additional 
options to reduce reporting burdens.
    Question. What steps have you taken to simplify requirements for 
small business and other entities in this rulemaking?
    Answer. ``The best available information'' required to be reported 
to the TRI, as identified by the Emergency Planning Community Right-to-
know Act (EPCRA), are based on facility specific data. TRI data is 
information which some reporting facilities may use to operate in an 
efficient and responsible manner. By its nature, some of the 
information is simple and straightforward. For many small businesses, 
only portions of the form need to be completed. The basic requirement 
of the TRI program is that covered facilities submit annual reports on 
their releases, management and transfers of listed toxic chemicals to 
EPA and their respective States. In comparison to many other regulatory 
programs which involve numerous requirements in addition to record-
keeping and reporting, such as meeting performance standards and/or 
complying with prescribed management practices, the TRI program 
requires only the reporting of information.
    Nevertheless, over the course of the Phase II rulemaking, including 
development of the proposed rule, EPA has taken a number of steps to 
reduce the economic impacts that might be imposed by the rule on both 
small and large entities. For the industries EPA proposed to add to the 
program, the Agency took steps to eliminate reporting burdens for 
distinct facility operations where information was not expected to be 
generated. For example, EPA proposed an exemption from reporting for 
coal extraction activities by facilities in the coal mining group, SIC 
code 12, which simplifies threshold and reporting calculations for 
these facilities. EPA proposed this exemption because it concluded that 
coal extraction activities are not likely to involve the manufacture, 
process, or otherwise use of toxic chemicals above threshold levels, 
and thus facilities operating primarily extractive operations would 
likely not be filing reports.
    In addition to measures such as the examples discussed above, the 
rule will incorporate a number of existing features of the TRI program 
that are designed to reduce burdens on small entities. The statute 
specifically exempts facilities with fewer than ten full-time employees 
or the equivalent. In addition, EPCRA only requires reports from 
facilities which manufacture or process more than 25,000 pounds, or 
otherwise use more than 10,000 pounds, of a chemical in a year. 
Further, facilities that would report as released or otherwise managed 
less than 500 pounds may take advantage of short-form reporting (TRI 
Form A) unless exceeding a 1-million pound alternate threshold for the 
manufacture, process, or otherwise use of a listed toxic chemical. The 
burden of this short form is only two-thirds that of filing the longer 
form R. Moreover, facilities reporting smaller amounts of chemicals may 
report in ranges rather than making more precise calculations. These 
features of the TRI program have a significant burden-reducing impact 
for small entities. For example, there are approximately 9,000 total 
facilities in SIC code 5169 (Chemical Distributors) but only 2,800, 
have ten or more employees. Of these 2,800 only 720 are expected to 
exceed the manufacture, process, or otherwise use threshold for one or 
more chemicals. Therefore, TRI, through its `` built in'' small 
business exemptions, would exempt over 8,000 or 92 percent of the 
Chemical Distributors. Moreover, of the estimated 720 reporting 
facilities, some will be eligible for short-form reporting under the 
alternate threshold, while others will be eligible for range reporting, 
both of which will lower the burden of reporting for the covered 
facilities. In addition, EPA has deferred the reporting associated with 
this rule until January 1, 1998 to facilitate development of sector 
specific guidance and training for small entities.
    Question. Did you conduct a regulatory flexibility analysis for 
this regulation?
    Answer. In accordance with the Regulatory Flexibility Act (RFA) and 
the Agency's longstanding policy of considering whether there may be a 
potential for adverse impacts on small entities, the Agency has 
evaluated the potential impacts of the rule on small entities. At 
proposal, EPA chose not to certify that the rule as proposed would not 
have a significant economic impact on a substantial number of small 
entities. EPA chose to develop an initial regulatory flexibility 
analysis for the proposed rule and provided that analyses to the public 
for comment. For the final rule, EPA certified that the rule will not 
have a significant economic impact on a substantial number of small 
entities. While EPA will, therefore, not be required by the RFA to 
perform a final regulatory flexibility analysis for the final rule, EPA 
has chosen to assess the impact of the rule on small entities, and is 
considering all the elements required in a final regulatory flexibility 
analysis.
    Question. Since there seems to be so many problems with this 
rulemaking, why not pull it back and take the time to get the necessary 
input from small businesses and follow the SBREFA procedures?
    Answer. EPA does not believe that there are significant problems 
with this rulemaking. EPA has conducted extensive outreach with the 
potentially regulated community prior and subsequent to issuance of the 
proposed rule. EPA has considered and evaluated all the issues raised 
by commenters and stakeholders. While EPA may not agree with some 
conclusions reached by some of the commenters, EPA has explained its 
reasoning in response to each of the comments raised. However, not 
agreeing with all these commenters or stakeholders does not mean that 
the Agency has not considered all comments raised nor does it mean that 
there are problems with the rule. As with any rulemaking, there can be 
a difference of opinion about various issues. EPA conducted a lengthy 
and thorough analysis of many different industry groups. EPA deferred 
addition of industry groups where significant questions existed 
relating to TRI reporting and EPA carefully weighed the standards 
provided in and consistent with the statute in deciding to add the 
industry groups included in the final rule. EPA's intentions to expand 
industries covered under TRI have been well publicized for many years. 
SBA and EPA's Office of Small Business Ombudsman have been informed and 
have conducted several meetings where EPA has participated to inform 
industry and industry advocates of the Agency's intent and progress. 
This action fulfills the President's August 8, 1995, directive to 
expedite an open and transparent rulemaking to expand the TRI program's 
industry coverage.

                         TRI PHASE II GAO STUDY

    Question. As you know, the conferees in the fiscal year 1997 
appropriations bill addressed the concerns about expanding the TRI 
program. GAO is currently studying this issue and how the program can 
be improved. We do not yet have the GAO report, how many small 
businesses would be impacted by this rulemaking?
    Answer. Each facility which must file even one report is defined as 
an ``affected'' facility. The Agency estimates that the 6,400 
facilities affected by the rule, i.e. those which must file even one 
report, are owned and operated by approximately 4,800 parent companies. 
Of these 4,800 companies, up to 3,600 of these qualify as small based 
on the applicable SBA size standards.
    Question. Wouldn't it make more sense to wait for the GAO report to 
find out how this program is working before doing additional 
expansions?
    Answer. EPA believes that expanding TRI to include additional 
industries actually addresses one of the fundamental recommendations 
made in GAO's 1991 report, which found that the TRI program was highly 
successful with regard to the chemicals and industries covered at that 
time, but should be expanded to cover more chemicals and industries. 
EPA agrees with GAO's earlier assessment and believes that this action 
will support GAO's recommendation to expand the TRI program to cover 
more chemicals and industries.
    Question. What is the timing of all future expansions?
    Answer. EPA has not established a schedule for any additional 
rulemakings that would add industries to TRI. However, EPA requested 
comments on industries that were not included in the proposed 
rulemaking and committed to considering any comments on those and other 
industries at some point in the future. Many comments were received 
that requested EPA consider the addition of other industries. EPA 
issued an ANPR (61 FR 51322, October 1, 1996) concerning the possible 
collection of additional data elements regarding chemical use. 
Following a series of public meetings and evaluation of public comment, 
EPA will determine whether and how to proceed on that initiative.

                      TRI PHASE II SBA OBJECTIONS

    Question. Last December, Jere Glover, the Small Business 
Administration's Chief Counsel for Advocacy, requested that EPA 
consider the need to include chemical wholesalers and petroleum bulk 
distributors--which are primarily small business facilities that EPA's 
own data indicates release fairly insignificant amounts of pollutants. 
Apparently OIRA also objects to EPA's rule, having extended its review 
of the rule. In light of the objects raised by OIRA and SBA, why is EPA 
unwilling to alter a rule that imposes significant impacts on these 
small businesses without commensurate environmental benefits?
    Answer. EPA does not believe that the addition of the petroleum 
bulk distribution and chemical wholesaling industry segments will 
impose significant impacts on small business. For many facilities 
within these industry groups, EPA believes that estimated impacts may 
greatly overstate the level of impacts that facilities will actually 
face. Many of the facilities within the affected industry segments 
conduct reasonably simple and routine activities which will not require 
the facility to calculate all elements for the TRI reporting form, for 
which costs are based. Further, EPA believes addition of these sectors 
will add significantly to the available public information on the use, 
management, and disposition of toxic chemicals and thus EPA believes 
addition of these industry segments will contribute significant 
environmental benefits. EPA also believes that, based on available 
information, facilities within this industry are comparable to 
facilities within the current reporting sector and are likely to 
provide similar information, thereby furthering the purpose of 
community right-to-know. While these industry segments have relatively 
high numbers of entities meeting SBA's size standards for small 
businesses (up to 500 employees in some cases), some facilities within 
these segments manage large volumes of TRI listed chemicals and 
mixtures containing TRI chemicals in a manner that may result in 
releases and transfers of toxic chemicals and in reports being 
submitted to EPA, the states and the public. EPA believes this 
information is relevant to the purposes of EPCRA and important for 
communities that are trying to assess the impact that industrial 
facilities have on their local environment.

                        TRI PHASE II ADJUSTMENTS

    Question. If these facilities released significant amounts of 
pollutants, I would be among many members of Congress urging EPA and 
the businesses involved to take action to correct the situation. But 
Mr. Glover's letter reveals that EPA overestimated the potential 
releases from some facilities by a factor of 100 and had ``inexplicable 
deleted all records of zero releases from the analysis,'' resulting in 
``misleadingly higher average release figures.'' Has EPA taken this 
adjustment into consideration?
    Answer. Reporting from these industry segments is significant for 
community right-to-know purposes given the volume of toxic chemicals 
handled and managed by them. Absent addition of these industry 
segments, communities may not have any information on the use and 
disposition of toxic chemicals of concern to them.
    Further, EPA shared the background information for the data 
relating to chemical distribution facilities with SBA and engaged in 
extensive discussions with SBA; however, EPA does not agree with Mr. 
Glover's interpretation of EPA's use of some of the data in question. 
EPA did not use the data in question either to identify the chemical 
distribution industry as a candidate for consideration, or to select 
this industry for addition.
    SBA's statement that EPA overestimated potential releases by a 
factor of 100 is a reference to a report for a single chemical at a 
single facility, which later submitted a revised estimate for that 
chemical. This revision was submitted by the facility in December 1996 
for 1993 activities. The state currently is investigating the 
legitimacy of the revision. However, EPA has already incorporated this 
revision into its analyses. EPA has not revised any analyses that 
excluded reports of zero releases. However, again because these 
analyses were not used in connection with EPA's decision to add the 
chemical distribution industry, neither the reports of zero releases 
nor the 1996 revision from the facility would affect the bases for 
EPA's decision.
                 information resources management (irm)
    Question. How much money is EPA investing in information management 
activities? How much is in the program base? How much additional 
resources does this budget add? Where are the new resources being 
invested?
    Answer. In the 1998 President's Budget, EPA is investing $469.6 
million in its information management activities. The program base for 
information management activities in the Agency's 1997 operating plan 
is $463.4 million. EPA is increasing its information management 
activities by $6.2 million from 1997 (1.3 percent). The increase 
supports the following activities: the President's Community Right-to-
Know: Kalamazoo Initiative; fixing Year 2000 software problem; building 
regional capacity to support data sharing/data warehousing with the 
states and tribes; and the acquisition and upgrade of the Agency's 
personal computers, servers, and storage capacity requirements.

                             IRM MANAGEMENT

    Question. How are the Agency's information resources being managed? 
Who is responsible for the overall quality and integrity of EPA's 
information resources? How do they discharge this responsibility? Who 
decides what goes out on Internet? What standards of quality do they 
apply?
    Answer. The Agency's Chief Information Officer (CIO) is responsible 
for developing the information policies that guide the management of 
information resources in EPA. EPA operates in a decentralized 
information management model (i.e., each EPA national program office 
has budget authority and provides certain program-specific information 
management support directly to its operating divisions). Within this 
decentralized model, the CIO retains responsibility for developing and 
implementing Agency-wide information policies. The CIO is also 
responsible for establishing and implementing an Agency IRM strategic 
plan and for providing various centralized information services such as 
management of EPA's National Data Center.
    The CIO executes the information policy function through an Agency-
wide directives clearance process. This process is guided and informed 
by EPA's Executive Steering Committee for Information Resources 
Management (ESC for IRM). All major Agency programs and functions are 
represented on the ESC for IRM. Additionally, the ESC for IRM 
membership includes representatives of EPA's Regional Offices and 
senior managers of state environmental agencies. Working in conjunction 
with the ESC for IRM, the CIO manages and discharges the Agency's IRM 
policy and management function, including the development of policies 
and standards for data quality and accuracy. Because many Agency 
functions rely on high quality scientific data to effectively protect 
public health and the environment, EPA's Office Research and 
Development is also a leader in developing data quality standards and 
practices for the Agency.
    The information holdings for the Internet are approved by a 
Division Director (usually a Senior Executive Service rank) or higher 
(i.e., Office, Deputy Assistant Administrator, or Assistant 
Administrator) before they are posted to the EPA Internet site. The 
standards used for information released to the Internet are similar to 
those required for publication in other formats such as CD-ROMS, paper, 
bulletin boards, or fax. The quality of the information or data is 
often dictated by the source of the information, be it from a State 
Agency or the official submission from a regulated entity. Most of our 
national systems have data quality edit checks to ensure some level of 
data quality, which varies depending on the data field and the source 
of the data element. EPA's programs have an extensive quality assurance 
program in the design and extract of its databases to assure that 
public databases offer the official data that is contained in our 
national systems.

                             IRM INVENTORY

    Question. Does the Agency have an inventory of all the information 
resources, public documents and software tools that it has produced, 
endorsed or funded?
    Answer. EPA's portion of the Federal government-wide Government 
Information Locator Service (GILS) provides a high-level inventory of 
the Agency's major publicly available information resources. This 
inventory is available and easily searchable via the Internet, both 
from EPA's website, and from the Government Printing Office's Access 
website.

                        IRM PUBLIC RIGHT TO KNOW

    Question. Since the Agency has emphasized the importance of public 
right to know, what steps are being taken to obtain an understanding of 
the average citizen? How much research and analysis of public 
information needs has EPA conducted? How much has it spent on such 
efforts? Have those efforts established the priority needs of the 
average citizen or have they identified the areas of potential 
interest?
    Answer. Many of our public right to know efforts have been directed 
to the understanding of the average citizen. EPA realizes its customer/
user community is a wide and diverse group of citizens. Much of our 
work reflecting right to know efforts have been undertaken with EPA's 
State partners. Regional Office staff have also been engaged to discern 
what the public wants. Staff, who directly support Freedom of 
Information Act requests (FOIA), have been consulted so that right to 
know efforts are responsive to FOIA requests. EPA has held 
presentations and focus groups with industry and not-for-profit 
organizations to hear from them what data is being sought by the 
public. Recently, EPA's NACEPT Committee's IRM Subcommittee held public 
meetings on the types of information needed by different types of 
constituent groups.
    In the development and deployment of GILS, EPA held focus group 
meetings in various cities in the United States to understand average 
citizens' interests and requirements. The meetings included average 
citizens as well as environmental and information technology experts. 
Six meetings were held, and a survey conducted, at a cost of 
approximately $5,000.
    This spring and summer, EPA will undertake more directed focus 
groups with the participation of major citizen groups, such as 
children, students, parents, industry representatives, and researchers 
to better understand and hear their needs. Hands on ``lab'' experiences 
are being planned to better understand what the citizens want.
    Understanding citizen needs is also obtained from direct feedback 
to EPA's Internet site. Those comments and feedback submissions are 
provided to the data holders and appropriately addressed. User 
requirements are part of any system development effort. Having a better 
understanding of the citizens' concerns and needs for right to know 
have always been part of program office system design efforts. As part 
of system life cycle costs, they have been part of system development 
efforts that have not been specifically tracked or captured. EPA does 
not track the costs of such efforts, but it estimates that it expends a 
small but growing percentage of its public access budget on such 
research. Constant interaction with the public from the FOIA process 
and from our Internet comments and feedback is a vital step in our 
process for constant improvement to meeting our customer needs. Focus 
group meetings are being conducted in Washington, DC, New York, and 
North Carolina. They all involve hands-on observation of users from ten 
distinct user communities. The total cost is approximately $105,000.

                        PAPERWORK REDUCTION ACT

    Question. What is the current OMB estimate of paperwork burden 
imposed by EPA reporting requirements? What steps will EPA be taking to 
reduce burden as required by the Paperwork Reduction Act (PRA)?
    Answer. As of March 31, 1997, the estimate is 105,664,834 hours. To 
comply with requirements of the Paperwork Reduction Act (PRA) and a 
January 13, 1997 directive issued by the Office of Management and 
Budget (OMB), EPA recently completed a thorough review of its 
information collections with the objective of reducing paperwork burden 
in the aggregate by 25 percent over three years. On April 14, the 
Agency submitted to OMB a comprehensive burden reduction plan.
    As the plan indicates, EPA's information collection and 
distribution functions are going through a period of significant 
change. The Agency is committed to improving data collection, making it 
more useful to the Agency's many constituencies, and thus allowing 
information to serve as a more powerful tool for protecting the 
environment. This commitment is reflected in three different but 
related activities currently underway.
    First, the Agency is in the process of reducing the paperwork 
burden that was in place as of October 1, 1995. By October 1, 1998, EPA 
expects to reduce its October 1, 1995 paperwork burden, by 21.8 million 
hours, or 21 percent of its baseline burden inventory. However the 
reduction is offset by 30.3 million hours of new rule requirements 
coming on line during that period of which the agency is projecting an 
additional reduction of 4.1 million hours. Of the twenty-one 
collections with burden hours greater than one million, sixteen will 
have significant reductions during the three years covered by the plan, 
and two additional ones are scheduled for reductions in 1999 or 2000. 
All-in-all, EPA projects its 10/1/98 burden will rise to 108.5 million 
hours, from its 10/1/95 baseline of 104 million hours.
    Many of the new rules involve information requirements that enhance 
a community's right-to-know. Right-to-know information is environmental 
information presented directly to the public, enabling citizens and 
communities to make informed environmental decisions and providing a 
strong incentive for businesses to improve environmental management 
practices. EPA now has about 15 right-to-know collections, including, 
for example, drinking water notifications, reporting on releases and 
transfers of toxic chemicals, and disclosures by home sellers of lead-
based paint hazards.
    Under the Paperwork Reduction Act of 1995, ``third-party'' 
information, a large subset of this community right-to-know 
information, must be counted as ``burden'' within the Agency's 
information collection budget, even though this information is never 
actually ``collected'' by EPA. By the end of fiscal year 1998, 
community right-to-know information will total at least 26.7 million 
hours, or nearly 25 percent of EPA's total burden.
    The third way that EPA's information collection and distribution 
efforts are changing is through a senior level Burden Reduction and 
Information Technology Executive (BRITE) task group. The Agency is 
looking comprehensively across programs and fundamentally rethinking 
why information is collected, how, and from whom, and then identifying 
ways to improve the process from the ground up. In particular, through 
the BRITE process the Agency is (1) looking at ways to introduce and 
expand the use of electronic recordkeeping and reporting, and (2) 
studying different ways to improve the efficiency of EPA's information 
collection system.
    Because many major environmental programs involve compliance roles 
for both EPA and States, a complex mosaic of information collection 
responsibilities has developed over time. Therefore, a recurrent theme 
in EPA's burden reduction effort is partnership with States in 
implementation of reporting innovations. Coordinated State-EPA action 
is essential for successful implementation of reporting reform, and EPA 
is fully committed to this continuing deliberative process.
    Question. Is EPA prepared to offer legislative proposals to modify 
existing environmental statues where needed to meet the PRA targets?
    Answer. EPA has not identified any specific legislative proposals, 
but will continue to look at this option as it identifies further 
burden reduction opportunities.

                        IRM REPORTING EFFICIENCY

    Question. Will EPA's burden reduction strategy include efforts to 
reduce duplication between EPA programs?
    Answer. Yes, EPA has initiatives underway to improve system 
efficiency in collecting, managing and sharing environmental 
information. EPA's Locational Data Improvement Project and Key 
Identifier Initiative will consolidate information about facilities 
into one standard set of data common to all programs. Through the One 
Stop Reporting Initiative, EPA is working with States to develop a 
coherent overall environmental reporting and data management system 
that effectively serves all stakeholders (the public, regulators, and 
industry). This involves, in part, eliminating redundancies among 
environmental information collections at all levels of government, as 
well as streamlining and improving processes for more efficient 
information management.
    Question. Will it include efforts to adjust reporting obligations 
based on a company's good compliance record?
    Answer. Yes, EPA is investigating further opportunities to build 
upon the successful approach adopted by the Office of Water for the 
Discharge Monitoring Report. On April 16, 1996, EPA issued Interim 
Guidance for reducing the frequency of monitoring and reporting by 
permittees under the NPDES program. Under this guidance, any facility 
that can demonstrate an excellent compliance history, and an ability to 
reduce pollution beyond requirements in existing permits may qualify 
for reduced paperwork burden. Further reductions may be granted for 
facilities that also increase their levels of ambient monitoring and 
share this information with other stakeholders. EPA estimated this new 
approach will result in a 26 percent reduction in burden, or 4.7 
million burden hours, when the program is fully implemented.

                           IRM DATA SECURITY

    Question. What steps is EPA taking to make sure that increased 
public access will not compromise important trade secrets? What steps 
are you taking to build ``firewalls'' between public data readily 
available to on-line access and trade secret data that EPA is obligated 
to protect? Computer networks now allow competitors around the world to 
put together pieces of ordinary data to reveal trade secrets about how 
products are made: what steps are you taking to prevent this problem? 
How are you working with other agencies, such as the FBI, on preventing 
the use of public data to conduct economic espionage?
    Answer. EPA does not post confidential business information (CBI), 
as defined by regulation, on the public access Internet server. 
Databases that are publicly available are screened for CBI information 
and those data elements that are CBI are not modeled for the database 
that would be released to the Internet. Thus, the database copy on the 
Internet does not contain such sensitive data or information.
    Another important category of data is enforcement sensitive 
information. The Office of Enforcement and Compliance Assurance 
provides technical assistance in screening the databases offered on the 
Internet for enforcement sensitive data fields. These data elements are 
not part of the database that is Internet-available.
    While economic espionage is of great concern to EPA, EPA has not 
worked with other federal agencies, such as the FBI, on this particular 
issue. EPA is currently discussing how to handle economic espionage 
problems and concerns with different and diverse industry groups.

                    IRM MISUSE OF ENVIRONMENTAL DATA

    Question. If EPA is made aware of the misuse or the 
mischaracterization of environmental data by third parties, what steps 
is EPA prepared to take to stop such behavior and prevent its 
reoccurrence in the future?
    Answer. The misuse and mischaracterization of environmental data by 
a third party is difficult to control. EPA has its own Internet site 
with proper security and controls. Our Internet site with the domain of 
``www.epa.gov'' gives the public the assurance that the information 
found from our registered site is the government's information. EPA 
takes great effort to provide descriptions of the purpose and intent of 
data releases on the Internet. EPA's data holdings and information 
offerings provide an explanation as to what the data represents; from 
whom and when this information was obtained or released. Providing a 
thorough description of EPA data and information offerings in the form 
of data dictionaries and registered records is another of EPA's efforts 
to protect the misuse of environmental data.
    Without examples of specific data misuse, it is difficult to answer 
precisely what actions the Agency would take to alleviate the problem. 
It is in EPA's best interest to provide a level, fair, and objective 
information base for the use of environmental information by any and 
all parties who are trying to protect the environment and public 
health. EPA's users are many and quite diverse. It is EPA's intent to 
provide all parties with complete and accurate environmental 
information on the Internet. Of course, ultimately citizens are free to 
provide their interpretations of EPA's data. When EPA is aware of any 
egregious misuse of its data, it attempts to provide clarity in 
appropriate forums.

                       IRM AND STATE-MANAGED DATA

    Question. Since most environmental data collected under EPA 
programs is assembled by state governments, should the principal 
decisions about what to collect and how to manage the data be made at 
the state level? Should EPA be the principal data manager or one of 
several users of state-managed data?
    Answer. The decisions about what environmental data to collect are 
shared between EPA and the states. Data to document compliance with 
Federal regulations and to ensure accountability under EPA-state 
delegation agreements are logically defined by EPA. The states, the 
regulated community and the public are consulted by EPA in defining 
these requirements. The states are also consulted on the methods for 
aggregating and reporting data to EPA. In addition to EPA-mandated 
reports, a few states require reports that go well beyond Federal law. 
Finally, the states both define and finance a large portion of all 
ambient environmental monitoring.
    Most data obtained from those subject to environmental regulations 
are collected by states operating under delegated agreements with EPA. 
The principal exceptions are the Toxic Release Inventory and the 
Biennial Report under the Resource Conservation and Recovery Act. For 
this reason, decisions about data management are increasingly being 
made by states within the framework of the minimum Federal requirements 
established by EPA. The expanding role of the states in data management 
reflects both changes in information technology and an increase in the 
resources and management attention that the states devote to data 
management. This trend also reflects EPA efforts to strengthen its 
partnership with states in this area.
    EPA's One Stop Reporting Program is developing new data sharing 
partnerships with states that have a demonstrated commitment to 
comprehensive data management reforms. The One Stop program emphasizes 
data sharing based on common data standards and appears to offer 
increased efficiency to both the states and EPA. Both EPA and the 
participating states believe that this approach will also reduce the 
reporting burden on industry and enhance public access to environmental 
information.
    In fiscal year 1996, EPA selected five states to receive $500,000 
One Stop Reporting grants: Massachusetts; New Jersey; Missouri; Utah; 
and Washington. In a highly competitive process that attracted 
applications from 31 states, EPA has just selected an additional eight 
states to receive similar grants in fiscal year 1997: Pennsylvania; 
West Virginia; Georgia; Minnesota; Mississippi; Texas; New Mexico; and 
Oregon. Each One Stop state agrees to adopt data management reforms 
including the integration of data around common data standards, 
reduction of reporting burden, enhanced public access, inclusive 
stakeholder participation, strengthened accountability for data 
management, and over the long term, universal access to electronic 
reporting.
    The priority states now assign to data management and data sharing 
is evident in the portion of total reform costs being financed by the 
One Stop states. Although figures vary widely, the typical One Stop 
state is investing $2 to $3 million dollars of state funds annually 
whereas the Federal contribution is a one-time grant of only $500 
thousand.

                        NRC ADDITIONAL NPL SITES

    Question. It has come to the Committee's attention that EPA is 
proposing to place tens or perhaps even hundreds of additional sites on 
the NPL if those sites are cleaned up under the jurisdiction of the 
Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) to NRC's recently developed 
radiological clean up standards. These facilities include universities 
and research organizations with small reactors, radiopharamaceutical 
manufacturers, nuclear power plants, large teaching organizations and 
biotechnology companies. It is my understanding that EPA is under no 
statutory obligation or judicial directive to issue its own regulations 
in this area. Could you please describe for the Subcommittee, NRC's 
response to EPA's proposal to place its licensees on the Superfund 
list.
    Answer. While EPA is not required to set clean-up standards under 
the Atomic Energy Act (AEA), EPA has clear authority to establish 
generally applicable cleanup standards and to provide guidance for 
Federal agencies. NRC and the Department of Energy (DOE), under the 
AEA, must ensure, through licensing requirements and other 
restrictions, that activities at regulated facilities do not exceed 
EPA's generally applicable standards. At this time, EPA is coordinating 
development of cleanup standards with DOE and NRC. However, given NRC's 
proposal to promulgate a rule less protective than what EPA would 
prefer, EPA may reconsider its policy under a separate statute (CERCLA) 
of not listing NRC sites on the Superfund National Priorities List 
(NPL).
    EPA did work extensively with NRC during the development of NRC's 
standards. NRC's proposed rule was considered by EPA to be adequately 
protective of human health and the environment. Throughout the 
rulemaking process, EPA indicated to NRC that a dose limit of higher 
than 15 millirem a year (which EPA estimates corresponds to a risk of 
approximately 3.010-4), and the absence of requirement to 
protect groundwater that could be used as drinking water, might not be 
considered protective. EPA did not know that NRC intended to make 
changes from its proposal until November, 1996. EPA's concerns were 
heightened in April upon review of NRC's draft proposed rule which 
includes an ``alternative criteria'' that would allow the dose limit at 
some sites to be as high as 100 millirems per year (which EPA estimates 
corresponds to a risk of approximately 2.010-3).
    The number of NRC licensee sites that could be added to the NPL is 
dependent upon many factors including the degree of risks posed by the 
site and State concurrence on listing. A precise determination of the 
number of sites that could be listed cannot be determined at this time. 
The probable universe from which the sites which could be listed are as 
follows:

    Total Large NRC Sites \4\ : 275
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    \4\ U.S. EPA Sites Report, July, 1996, unpublished.
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  --Estimated number of large NRC licensee sites.
  --These are sites associated with nuclear fuel cycle and rare earth 
        extraction.

    Large NRC Sites Not on the Site Decommissioning Management Plan 
(SDMP) \5\ : 240
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    \5\ EPA expects that only a small fraction of these sites would be 
listed on the NPL.
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    Large NRC Sites on the SDMP: 35
    SDMP sites that are on the NPL: 3

    Other Sites on the SDMP \6\ : 51
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    \6\ U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission. November 1995. Site 
Decommissioning Management Plan. NUREG-1444 Supplement 1. Office of 
Nuclear Material Safety and Safeguards. Division of Waste Management.
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  --The draft NRC decommissioning rule dated March 28, 1997 page 31, 
        discusses a list of sites that may have ``extensive soil 
        contamination (albeit at relatively low levels) and have been 
        placed in the Site Decommissioning Management Plan.'' NRC 
        indicates that these sites warrant specific attention regarding 
        their decommissioning.

                      NRC ADDITIONAL SITE CLEANUP

    Question. In your Superfund budget request--is the cost of cleaning 
up these additional sites included in the budget request?
    Answer. As the final resolution of the issue between EPA and NRC is 
uncertain, no change in budget priorities has been made to prepare for 
EPA response at these sites. If NRC finalizes the regulation in its 
current form, EPA would reconsider listing these sites. However, it is 
premature to assume that EPA must now absorb this additional workload, 
pending actual finalization of the regulation.

                  NRC DUPLICATIVE REGULATORY SITUATION

    Question. In this era of shrinking federal budgets, agencies are 
being asked to do more with less. In light of NRC's oversight and 
separately implemented cleanup program for these sites, do you believe 
the cost and inefficiency of this duplicative regulatory situation can 
be justified?
    Answer. EPA is committed to ensuring that cleanups are protective 
of human health and the environment. Under CERCLA, EPA may choose not 
to respond to certain types of releases if existing regulatory or 
authority under other Federal statutes provides for an appropriate 
response. In its current form, the NRC regulation may not be adequately 
protective of human health and the environment, forcing EPA to 
reconsider its policy of exempting NRC sites from listing on the NPL.
    We hope that NRC will recognize the inefficiency that might occur 
and promulgates a standard that provides the public with the same level 
of protection from radiation that the public receives from other 
chemicals.

                  PULP AND PAPER INDUSTRY CLUSTER RULE

    Question. As proposed in 1994, the new water and air standards for 
the pulp and paper industry, known as the Cluster Rule, would have had 
a devastating affect on this important U.S. industry. As a consequence, 
many members of Congress wrote to you and your staff to express very 
serious and specific reservations. As I understand it, the agency may 
be moving to address these concerns, but a firm date for promulgation 
never seems to be forthcoming. In view of the fact that the U.S. pulp 
and paper industry's capital planning is being held hostage to this 
rule, can you give us some idea of why promulgation has been delayed so 
long and when we can hope to see the rule finalized?
    Answer. This regulation is the first one of its kind to integrate 
analyses of technologies to control both air and water pollution. It is 
also the first to consider an incentives program to encourage mills to 
go beyond the requirements of the Federal regulations and commit to 
improvements toward a low-flow, minimum impact mill of the future.
    What you describe as a significant delay in our schedule to 
promulgate the rule is largely the result of two factors: (1) our 
ground-breaking efforts, involving extensive stakeholder participation, 
to build an incentives program using existing authorities that will be 
a powerful impetus to continuous environmental improvement, and (2) the 
reiterative analytical process that is necessary to consider the 
combined effects of the air and water rules. While this approach has 
resulted in a longer developmental process, EPA is optimistic that the 
lessons we are learning through this process will serve us well through 
this rulemaking and future ones. EPA expects to transmit the rule for 
OMB review in early May 1997.
           pulp and paper industry cluster rule participation
    Question. I understand that in a July 1996 Federal Register notice, 
you indicated that EPA was considering offering regulatory incentives 
for mills willing and able to go beyond the requirements of the final 
cluster Rule. I applaud this approach and hope that the final rule will 
contain a program that provides meaningful rewards for companies 
willing to make the kind of large investments contemplated by your 
original proposal. Since this is precisely the kind of regulatory 
reform initiative many of us support, please share your latest thinking 
with respect to ways in which you will make this program attractive 
enough to gain the widest participation possible.
    Answer. It is our firm belief that many mills are interested in 
improving their environmental performance. Our main goal in the 
incentives program is to provide the necessary flexibility, in the form 
of additional time, for mills to plan for and install improved 
pollution prevention technologies. In addition, we are exploring a 
variety of rewards for mills that achieve standards beyond baseline 
BAT. These incentives include public recognition and consideration of 
their advanced performance in our routine permitting and compliance 
monitoring. We believe many mills will choose to pursue the flexibility 
offered in this package.
            pulp and paper industry cluster rule incentives
    Question. I think it is critical that the final rule contain a 
meaningful incentives program. Do any of your problems stem from 
hesitation regarding the authority you have to offer such incentives?
    Answer. We believe we have the statutory authority to provide an 
effective incentives program. We have explored the mix of options 
available for using regulations, policy and guidance to provide the 
strongest incentives program without tying the hands of the States who 
are our co-regulators. We are currently working out the final details 
of this incentives program.
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                 Questions Submitted by Senator Shelby

                        FQPA OFFICE OF MINOR USE

    Question. Will the FQPA mandated Office of Minor Use be in place by 
September 1997?
    Answer. Yes, section 31(a) of FIFRA, as amended by FQPA, requires 
EPA to ``assure coordination of minor use issues through the 
establishment of a minor use program within the Office of Pesticide 
Programs.'' The Agency has been coordinating minor use issues for many 
years. To implement FQPA, EPA's Office of Pesticide Programs is 
developing an organized unit which will include a home for the minor 
use program. The program will establish policies and coordinate all 
minor use pesticide issues within EPA, with other agencies and with all 
interested parties.

                            FQPA MONITORING

    Question. What distinction does EPA make when monitoring 
domestically manufactured products as compared to imported products?
    Answer. EPA makes no distinction between domestic and imported 
pesticides. They must all be registered with EPA and comply with 
identical sets of requirements. All registrants of pesticides subject 
to FIFRA, whether manufactured domestically or outside of the United 
States, must report to EPA the types and amounts of pesticides 
produced, sold or distributed, beginning 30 days after production 
begins and annually thereafter. All products must be registered by EPA 
for their specific use before they can be legally applied, and must 
have an established tolerance or exemption from tolerance if used on 
food or feed commodities. FDA and USDA monitors pesticide residues on 
foods for both domestic and imported commodities. Any food found in the 
U.S. with illegal pesticide residues would be declared adulterated and 
subject to seizure by FDA.

                           FQPA FOREIGN DATA

    Question. Is EPA willing to accept data collected and verified in 
other countries when registering a domestic product? For instance, 
conditions, trials and field work on Canadian canola, peas and lentils 
is very similar to the U.S. situation.
    Answer. EPA has reviewed and accepted data generated in other 
countries to support some registration decisions. EPA will continue to 
do so provided those data are collected under conditions similar to 
those in the U.S. and as long as they meet U.S. standards. EPA will 
continue to work with Canada to harmonize pesticide registration data 
requirements so our farmers have similar pest control tools and are not 
at a competitive disadvantage.

                  FQPA SECTION 18 EMERGENCY EXEMPTIONS

    Question. Section 18's (Emergency Exemptions) are of vital 
importance to production agriculture. Are the timely issuances of 
Section 18's a high priority for agency resources both during and after 
final implementation of the Food Quality Protection Act (FQPA)?
    Answer. Making timely decisions on emergency exemptions has been 
and will continue to be a high priority for EPA. In fact, the first 
decisions which were reviewed and completed under the new requirements 
of the FQPA were emergency exemptions. EPA remains committed to making 
timely decisions on emergency exemptions even though the resources and 
complexities involved with these decisions has substantially increased.

                    FQPA SECTION 18 LEVEL OF REVIEW

    Question. Given the stress on agency resources being created by the 
implementation of the FQPA, does the agency now require the same level 
of review for Section 18's as for full registrations? If so, why is 
this being done since Section 18's result in diminished exposure and 
are time limited tolerances?
    Answer. Emergency exemptions involving food uses have always 
required a significant level of review. Section 18's are primarily only 
allowed when progress can be shown toward a full Section 3 registration 
and the safety finding of ``no unreasonable harm'' can be met. EPA has 
always used the toxicological and environmental fate data submitted for 
the Section 3 to help make the Section 18 decision. FQPA did not change 
the provisions of FIFRA Section 18's or the need for quick responses. 
The additional effort for FQPA is that today we must make and publish a 
formal tolerance determination.
    Section 18's do not result in diminished exposure, only in a 
shorter time span of exposure. Conceivably, many people may be exposed 
for several years to pesticides permitted under emergency exemptions. 
For example, if a Section 18 pesticide is used on corn, people eating 
that corn will be exposed for a shorter time frame but it would be the 
same level of exposure. Therefore, EPA must still consider all of the 
toxicological endpoints of concern, the amount of exposure and what the 
potential risk is to each exposed populations (i.e., adults, children, 
etc.). As a petition to address an emergency situation, the difficulty 
sometimes is that EPA must make a decision in an accelerated time frame 
(the target is fifty days but some situations require EPA to respond 
within a few days).

               FQPA NEW PRODUCT AND NEW USE REGISTRATIONS

    Question. If the agency is giving up high priority to Section 18's 
and also using up resources for a complete level of review, is this 
decision resulting in a slow down of new product and new use 
registration? If so, is this wise since new and safer products could, 
therefore, be delayed for market use?
    Answer. New active ingredients and ``reduced risk'' chemicals 
continue to receive a high level of priority. While the Agency 
experienced an initial slow down in the 3 months following passage of 
the FQPA, EPA has recently approved a significant number of Section 
18's and new active ingredient registrations. Because these actions are 
given high priority, EPA does not expect that new and safer products 
will be delayed in getting to market. In fact, in the first six months 
of fiscal year 1997, EPA has made more decisions on new active 
ingredients then the historical average.
    Additionally, prior to FQPA, the Biopesticide and Pollution 
Prevention Division (BPPD) was created to focus their efforts on safer 
biopesticides and biopesticides in general. Their processes were well 
implemented prior to FQPA, therefore, there was very little if any slow 
down in their new product and new use registrations due to FQPA. BPPD 
has registered 10 new biological active ingredients (AI's) under FQPA, 
one of which is BT corn, and will register an additional 6-8 new AI's 
in the next six months.

                 FQPA PRIORITIZATION TOP FIVE PRODUCTS

    Question. By forcing companies to prioritize only their top five 
products due to agency resource problems, isn't the agency adversely 
impacting the marketing of new active ingredients and new label for 
existing products for minor uses?
    Answer. EPA established the priority setting policy a year prior to 
passage of FQPA. It does not limit the number of applications which can 
be submitted, rather, it helps industry identify which applications are 
of greatest importance to them and to consumers. The purpose of the 
policy is to align Industry priorities with EPA's workload, and has 
proven to be an important management tool. EPA believes the priority 
planning system has enabled the agency to better manage the resources 
and, in fact, has increased the number of registration decisions for 
new uses and active ingredients. The priority setting process does not 
impact the approval of new pesticides because registrants have never 
had applications for more than two or three new pesticides pending at 
one time. Thus, each company always can make new pesticides their top 
priority with room for other applications as well. Likewise, many minor 
uses are considered priorities in the que. Further, EPA makes IR-4 
minor use tolerance petitions a high priority for review.

                        FQPA DEFAULT TOLERANCES

    Question. In considering whether to establish a tolerance, in 
absence of data on aggregate exposure to a pesticide residue, the 
agency has indicated it will create artificial percentages to represent 
aggregate exposure. This appears to be inconsistent with Section 
405(b)(2) (C) and (D) of the FQPA statute. Under the FQPA, an 
adjustment for aggregate exposure appears to be warranted only when 
there is ``available information'' which evidences a need for an 
adjustment.
    If the agency is spending time on the development of defaults in 
the absence of information, this would appear to be another reason for 
an overload of the agency resources resulting in delays in moving 
products to the market. It may also result in a system which may be at 
odds with the law. Has the agency given consideration to this problem 
and why has it continued to use theoretical defaults in the absence of 
``available information?''
    Answer. EPA bases all determinations on available information. We 
have an obligation to use the best scientific methodology in evaluating 
the non-food exposures when considering a pesticide for registration, 
an emergency exemption or reregistration. EPA employs default 
assumptions only when information regarding the exposure to the 
pesticide is incomplete. If EPA knows that a pesticide has non-food 
exposures, we believe that it would be inappropriate to act as if such 
exposures are not occurring simply because we don't have rigorous data 
to calculate the precise level of exposure. Instead we will use 
protective but defensible estimates of such non-food exposures in our 
assessments.
    For example, if EPA has information showing a pesticide is 
registered for use in and around the home, EPA believes that 
``available information'' shows that residential exposure is occurring. 
In the absence of residential exposure data for the exact pesticide 
being evaluated, EPA will attempt to estimate exposure using available 
data. In many instances, for residential exposure, EPA scientists will 
use residential exposure data from other similar pesticides and 
calculate a reasonable exposure value from that data.
    EPA will work to review all available information to refine our 
risk assessments, which could, in fact, lower our exposure estimates 
and allow the approval of additional uses. This approach may be helpful 
in areas where complete data have not been submitted.
    Given the requirements of the law, not using some reasonable value 
representing our best scientific judgement would result in indefinite 
denials of applications while precise data were generated, a process 
which in many cases could delay decisions for a period of many months 
or years.

                     ENVIRONMENTAL SELF-AUDIT LAWS

    Question. Alabama currently has legislation before the State House 
and Senate regarding environmental audit laws. As you are aware, 
environmental audit laws, which have been adopted in 20 states and are 
before 19 state legislatures, help determine the status of a company's 
compliance with federal, state and local regulations. The audits 
generally serve as a basis for corrective actions, remedial programs 
and lead to an improvement in environmental practices. Realizing that 
budgets stretch only so far and the funds for inspection and audits are 
limited, states should be praised for creating a process that 
encourages companies to implement self-audits and then any corrective 
problem.
    While recently EPA has taken small measures to recognize the value 
of environmental audits, why isn't your agency more supportive of the 
states efforts?
    Answer. EPA supports environmental self-auditing and has an 
incentives policy of its own to encourage auditing and other forms of 
self-policing. Nonetheless, EPA opposes audit privilege and immunity 
legislation. Audit privilege invites secrecy, instead of the openness 
needed to build public trust in industry's ability to self police. EPA 
believes that audit privilege greatly complicates criminal and civil 
discovery, and frustrates public access to information. While EPA 
supports penalty mitigation as an incentive for voluntary disclosure 
and correction of violations, EPA believes that to immunize serious 
violations discourages companies from making the investments in 
pollution control necessary to prevent such violations. These are among 
the reasons that audit privilege and immunity laws are strongly opposed 
by law enforcement, state and local officials, citizens, and public 
interest groups.
    Question. Isn't one of the purposes of early detection compliance 
with the law?
    Answer. Yes. EPA's Self-Policing Policy, ``Incentives for Self-
Policing: Discovery, Disclosure, Correction and Prevention of 
Violations,'' issued on December 22, 1995, encourages early detection 
of environmental problems and their prompt correction. Unlike many 
immunity laws, EPA's policy encourages a high standard of care to 
prevent environmental problems from occurring in the first instance and 
to ensure that those who comply in a timely manner are not 
competitively disadvantaged by those who do not.
    Question. Why is early detection of environmental hazards bad?
    Answer. Early detection of environmental hazards is good in that it 
allows facilities to remediate any environmental damage sooner than if 
the facility waits until the hazard is discovered by a regulatory 
agency or the public. That's why EPA's Self-Policing Policy encourages 
early detection and correction of environmental hazards in exchange for 
reduced penalties.
    Question. Why wouldn't the EPA support creative innovative state 
programs that promote compliance with the law and early detection of 
possible environmental hazards?
    Answer. EPA does support state programs that promote compliance 
with the law and early detection of possible environmental hazards. EPA 
opposes certain state audit privilege and immunity laws precisely 
because they do not promote compliance with the law, but instead 
interfere with law enforcement and with the public's right to know.
    As an alternative to audit privilege, EPA supports efforts by state 
environmental agencies, such as Pennsylvania and Florida, to develop 
penalty mitigation policies with criteria for self audits that are 
consistent with EPA's. Indeed, the EPA has encouraged the development 
of policies that offer penalty mitigation incentives for environmental 
auditing. EPA's Self-Policing Policy is working well to encourage 
environmental auditing and voluntary compliance without the adverse 
consequences to law enforcement and the public's right to know of a 
privilege and immunity bill. As of April 1997, 120 companies had 
disclosed violations at more than 400 facilities under the federal 
policy, proving that environmental auditing can be encouraged without 
blanket amnesties or audit privileges.
    Moreover, federal laws and regulations establish clear standards 
that states must meet to obtain approval to administer federal 
environmental programs. To meet the minimum federal requirements for 
adequate enforcement authority for program approval, states with audit 
laws must retain the ability to obtain penalties and injunctive relief 
for violations, as well as the ability to obtain information needed to 
identify violations or determine compliance status. In analyzing the 
impact of state audit laws, the EPA stands ready to consult with state 
officials to ensure the adequacy of enforcement authority in federally-
approved state programs. In working with the states, the EPA relies on 
a policy issued February 14, 1997, ``Statement of Principles, Effect of 
State Audit Immunity/Privilege Laws on Enforcement Authority for State 
Programs,'' which articulates the minimum requirements for adequate 
enforcement and information gathering authority for the purpose of 
approving programs in states with audit privilege or immunity laws.
    Question. It seems as though EPA's stance on this matter promotes 
an adversarial relationship with the very states and business that are 
attempting to comply with your agency's regulations. Why?
    Answer. Recently, Administrator Browner met with representatives 
from several states and had a very positive discussion regarding EPA's 
concerns with audit privilege and immunity statutes. Since then, EPA 
has met with the states of Texas and Michigan to work out changes to 
those audit privilege and immunity statutes that would enable the 
states to meet Federal legal requirements. EPA is ready and willing to 
meet with any other states to discuss amendments to existing or pending 
audit statutes for that purpose.
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                  Questions Submitted by Senator Craig

                              WIPP SAFETY

    Question. If WIPP is deemed to be acceptable, will it be safer to 
store waste at WIPP or where it is currently being stored?
    Answer. The waste is currently being stored primarily at ten sites 
throughout the country and, at present, poses no immediate threat to 
public health. However, the dangers with the type of waste 
(transuranic) proposed for disposal at the Waste Isolation Pilot Plant 
(WIPP) is that it is radioactive and will be for tens of thousands of 
years.
    Leaving the waste stored above ground will subject the waste 
containers to degradation from the weather, as well as leave them 
vulnerable to natural or other disasters. The current method of storage 
for transuranic waste is a medium-term fix, not a long-term solution. 
The advantage of a facility such as the WIPP is that, if it is proven 
to comply with the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's (EPA's) 
disposal regulations, the facility would provide long-term protection 
to public health and the environment.

                               WIPP COST

    Question. What has been the cost to the federal government to date 
and what is the status of construction at WIPP?
    Answer. EPA defers to DOE for information regarding both the total 
cost of the WIPP facility and the status of construction.

                          WIPP COST OF REVIEW

    Question. Do you have adequate resources to conduct a review of the 
application? What additional resources do you need, if any?
    Answer. Yes, EPA has adequate resources to conduct the review of 
the application in a timely manner. No additional resources are needed.

                        WIPP COMPLETENESS REVIEW

    Question. What is the process of the review you are conducting or 
will conduct, and what is the schedule to complete this review?
    Answer. The WIPP Land Withdrawal Act (LWA), as amended, requires 
that EPA make a determination as to whether WIPP meets the Radioactive 
Waste Disposal Regulations at 40 CFR Part 191. The LWA requires that 
EPA make this determination by rulemaking under Section 553 of the 
Administrative Procedures Act (APA). EPA is currently proceeding with 
rulemaking activities in accordance with the provisions of the WIPP 
Compliance Criteria at 40 CFR Part 194.
    The Agency is taking every step to facilitate the certification 
decision. We are reducing the complexity and amount of time required 
for internal Agency review of the certification decision, and would 
like to expedite the time required for interagency review. We estimate 
that once DOE has provided all the required information identified in 
our March 19, 1997 letter to the Department, the Agency will produce a 
final certification decision within a minimum of 10 months. The 
expected certification decision of the DOE WIPP application is 
currently April 1998. This date is subject to change depending, in 
part, on the planned DOE delivery to EPA of the confirmatory 
verification test of the performance assessment by early July, 1997.
    It is the Agency's goal to make a technically and legally 
defensible decision since it is likely that any decision will be 
subject to litigation. If EPA's final determination is not legally 
defensible, and it is overturned in court, the possibility of WIPP 
opening could be significantly delayed.

                     WIPP COMPLETENESS REVIEW START

    Question. Is there any prohibition as to when you can begin your 
evaluation of the Completeness Certification Application in 40 CFR 
194.1?
    Answer. There are no prohibitions identified in 40 CFR 194.11 
[Section 40 CFR 194.1 identified in the question addresses the purpose, 
scope and applicability of the 194 regulation, while 40 CFR 194.11 
addresses completeness and accuracy of compliance applications] 
regarding when EPA can begin review of completeness following DOE's 
submission of the WIPP Compliance Certification Application (CCA). In 
fact, the Agency began review of the CCA immediately following receipt 
of the CCA on October 29, 1996. The Agency informed DOE on December 19, 
1996, that additional information was required for a complete 
application. Since that time, the Department has periodically provided 
information to fulfill that request. The Agency received the last 
installment of information on that request and, as promised by 
Administrator Browner, will make a completeness determination in May, 
1997.

                     WIPP CERTIFICATION EVALUATION

    Question. How would you characterize EPA's evaluation for 
certification--is it a technical review of the application?
    Answer. EPA is conducting a technical review of DOE's application. 
This review is designed to determine whether DOE has demonstrated a 
reasonable expectation of compliance with the disposal standards in 40 
CFR 191. Reasonable expectation is demonstrated by compliance with the 
criteria identified in 40 CFR 194.

                      WIPP APPLICATION COMPLETION

    Question. The application was filed at the end of October, 1996. To 
date, your reviews of the application have not been for the purposes of 
certification but for purposes of determining whether the application 
is complete--is that correct? What is the definition of complete and is 
that consistent with the definition found in 40 CFR 194.1?
    Answer. No. EPA has conducted both its technical and completeness 
reviews simultaneously and has been doing so since receipt of DOE's 
application on October 29, 1996.
    A complete application, as defined in EPA's Compliance Application 
Guidance (EPA 402-B-95-014), is one which addresses each of the 
requirements of 40 CFR 194 in such a manner as to warrant further 
scrutiny, so that EPA, DOE, and the public do not invest major 
resources in a rulemaking proceeding for an incomplete document. A 
completeness determination is a preliminary step in a more extensive 
administrative process and is consistent with the process identified in 
40 CFR 194.11 [as previously noted, 40 CFR 194.1 addresses the purpose, 
scope and applicability of the 194 regulations, while 40 CFR 194.11 
addresses completeness and accuracy of the application].

                    WIPP REVIEW COMPLETION SCHEDULE

    Question. Would EPA please provide the Subcommittee with its 
schedule for a timely completion of review of the WIPP application 
within the next two weeks?
    Answer. The Agency is taking every step to facilitate the 
certification decision. We are reducing the complexity and amount of 
time required for internal Agency review of the certification decision, 
and would like to expedite the time required for interagency review.
    EPA would like to publish a proposed rule approximately 2\1/2\ 
months after DOE submits all the information EPA requested to fulfill 
the requirements of 40 CFR 194 (as identified in the March 19, 1997 
letter from EPA to DOE). Following proposal, a four month public 
comment period will begin as required by 40 CFR 194. Upon completion of 
the public comment period, EPA will need a minimum of 3\1/2\ months to 
accomplish an expedited rulemaking process including responding to 
public comments, completing the technical support, drafting the final 
rule and completing the intra and interagency review. In total, it will 
take the Agency a minimum of 10 months to complete the final 
certification decision once DOE has submitted the required information. 
The expected certification decision of the WIPP application is 
currently April, 1998, although subject to change depending, in part, 
on the planned delivery to EPA of the confirmatory verification test of 
the performance assessment by early July, 1997.

                       WIPP INFORMATION FROM DOE

    Question. Does EPA recognize a difference in the review process 
between requests to DOE for information related to a completeness 
determination and other additional requests for information which are 
for technical sufficiency or of a general nature?
    Answer. Yes. The Agency has specified the difference in its letters 
to the Department. The Agency sent a letter to DOE on December 19, 
1996, which identified areas of completeness and technical sufficiency; 
it also identified areas where necessary supporting documentation to 
demonstrate compliance with the regulatory requirements of 40 CFR 194 
was lacking. Enclosed with the letter were separate attachments for 
items of completeness and technical sufficiency. The December 19, 1996, 
letter was the only one which identified additional information needs 
related to completeness.

                    WIPP COMPLETENESS DETERMINATION

    Question. Is EPA's failure to issue a completeness determination 
based on requests for information of technical sufficiency?
    Answer. No. It is based solely on those items identified in the 
December 19, 1996, letter where additional information is required for 
purposes of completeness.

             WIPP REVIEW: REASONABLE EXPECTATION STANDARDS

    Question. Does your review conform to the reasonable expectation 
standards contained in 40 CFR 191 and 194? Please be specific as to how 
this might relate to any requests for additional information relating 
to parameter evaluations, parameter variance determination and 
confirmatory performance assessments.
    Answer. Yes. Regarding the parameter values chosen by DOE, EPA 
reviewed the available record on all of the approximately 1,500 
parameters used in the WIPP performance assessment. Section 40 CFR 
194.23 requires, among other things, for ``detailed descriptions of 
data collection procedures, sources of data, data reduction and 
analysis, and code input parameter development.'' From our review, EPA 
identified 58 parameters which could have a significant impact on the 
results but the supporting data could not be found, the data did not 
support the values chosen, or the connection between the data and the 
chosen value was unclear. Questions about the values chosen for many of 
these parameters were also raised by DOE's own peer review groups, the 
National Academy of Sciences, the Congressionally appointed 
Environmental Evaluation Group and public commenters.
    EPA has asked DOE to resolve the discrepancies between the 
information available in the record and the parameter values chosen. 
Where that cannot satisfactorily be accomplished, EPA will evaluate the 
data and provide parameter value(s) to DOE. The parameter variance 
determination was one tool which EPA used to determine whether each of 
those 58 parameters did indeed play a significant role in the results. 
If the results showed that a parameter did not play a significant role 
in the results, that parameter was dropped from consideration. EPA has 
already provided DOE a partial list of parameter values in an April 17, 
1997, letter. Since this exercise has resulted in changes to some of 
the parameters which play a significant role in the results of the 
performance analysis. EPA has requested a confirmatory verification of 
the performance assessment to be completed by DOE using the parameter 
values which EPA believes more adequately reflect the available data.
    As stated earlier, EPA's goal is to make a final determination 
which is both technically and legally defensible.

           WIPP AND SANDIA NATIONAL LABORATORY COMPUTER COSTS

    Question. Is EPA planning to duplicate all of the computer codes 
developed by Sandia National Laboratory? Will you use these codes to 
determine whether or nor the ultimate findings made by DOE are 
supportable?
    Answer. No. EPA has not, nor does it plan to duplicate any of the 
computer codes developed by Sandia National Laboratory.
    EPA has and will conduct exercises to verify that the computer 
codes developed by DOE produce reasonable and stable results. This is 
accomplished through benchmarking of the DOE codes against existing, 
commercially available codes used for similar purposes.

                 TECHNOLOGY NEUTRAL RECORDS OF DECISION

    Question. I understand the Department of Energy's Environmental 
Management Program is proposing to perform Superfund Records of 
Decision that are technology neutral. This approach is proposed so that 
private industry can bring competitive technologies to bear on DOE 
problems, based solely on the required cleanup end state for the site.
    Given EPA's promotion of consensus-based remedy selection, could 
you comment on how you think the public and state regulators would 
respond to technology neutral RODS? Has DOE requested EPA comment on 
this approach? What is your response to a technology neutral ROD 
approach?
    Answer. The Agency is not familiar with the term ``technology 
neutral'' ROD's. However, your explanation of the concept of signing 
ROD's that rely on performance of a remedy is quite challenging and on 
the surface may seem deceptively easy. What follows are some issues 
that any performance-based ROD process would need to address.
    The circumstances found at Superfund sites vary, both in the 
characteristics of the contaminants and in the different trade-offs 
that accompany any technology applied at the site. Such trade-offs can 
include different possible uses of the land after cleanup, different 
levels of emissions during cleanup, different time frames to complete 
cleanup, different levels of long term reliability and maintenance, and 
different costs. Each of these factors, along with others, is 
considered during the selection of remedy process identified in the 
National Contingency Plan. Equally important is the NCP's open 
decision-making process that incorporates community views. The Agency 
has learned that full involvement of the community in making decisions 
at sites leads to a successful, supported cleanup. It is this 
involvement that would have to be incorporated into any consideration 
of this concept in the long run.
    However, there are opportunities for flexible approaches (e.g., 
treatment that offers similar performance relative to most NCP 
criteria) that should be considered within the context of an open 
consensus based decision making process.
    Selecting only end-of-the-line performance in a remedy would appear 
to bury many of the important lessons we have learned over the past 15 
years. For example, in 1991 the Superfund program began a series of 
program reforms, one of which directly relates to the concept you set 
forth. The reform called for treatability studies, which review the 
capability of new, innovative technologies to accomplish a hazardous 
waste cleanup, to be conducted prior to selection of a remedy. The 
reform addressed citizen concerns about technology selection after a 
ROD is signed. We have learned that it is most efficient and cost 
effective to ``compete'' new technologies in advance of signing a ROD.
    More recently, EPA issued a presumptive approach for cleanup of 
ground water contamination in fiscal year 1996. This approach calls for 
developing a complete response to contaminated ground water based on 
incremental results (i.e., performance) of technologies put in place. 
This approach provides an iterative process for response that ensures 
both protection of human health and the environment and is a cost 
effective, appropriate response to ground water contamination at sites.
    While DOE and EPA staff apparently have had some preliminary 
limited discussions, DOE has not formally requested EPA comment on this 
approach at this time.

                         TECHNOLOGY DEVELOPMENT

    Question. The Department of Energy's Environmental Management 
Technology Development Program has a new technology development 
initiative to advance implementation of recently developed and 
demonstrated cleanup technologies. Is your agency working with the DOE 
to ensure the deployment benefits are passed on to DOD and private 
sector cleanup sites?
    Answer. Yes, EPA is working with DOE to coordinate the deployment 
of new technologies. EPA is participating as a member of DOE's 
Environmental Management Advisory Board-Technology Development and 
Transfer Committee. EPA also participates with DOE, DOD, and other 
federal agencies in the Federal Remediation Technologies Roundtable. 
The Roundtable was created to exchange information on site remediation 
technologies, and to consider cooperative efforts that could lead to 
greater application of innovative technologies. These collaborative 
efforts have led to technology development and demonstration 
partnerships with industry and a unified federal approach to assessing 
and documenting technologies.
    Question. What is your agency doing to encourage the use of 
innovative and alternative technology in the cleanup industry?
    Answer. EPA is actively involved in encouraging the use of 
alternative and innovative technology. Under the Office of Solid Waste 
and Emergency Response (OSWER), the Technology Innovation Office 
operates to reduce barriers for new treatment and site characterization 
technologies. The use of innovative treatment technologies has 
increased over the past several years and in the Superfund program, 
approximately one-third of the treatment technologies chosen for source 
control may be considered as innovative.
    OSWER is assisting private developers by publishing market studies 
and hosting marketplace conferences (in cooperation with DOE and other 
agencies) to better define the near-term demand for innovative 
technologies. To inform site managers about current technology 
capabilities, OSWER has developed two computer-based systems with 
information about vendors who supply treatment, as well as 
characterization and monitoring technologies, to the marketplace. The 
data bases allow site managers to identify potentially applicable 
technologies and the vendors who supply them. OSWER is also sponsoring 
an American Academy of Environmental Engineers project to publish peer-
reviewed design manuals to give consulting engineering firms access to 
state of the art information on the applicability of technologies to 
various contamination problems. In an effort to pool risks associated 
with technology development, OSWER and EPA's Office of Research and 
Development are jointly leading an effort with other agencies and 
several Fortune 500 companies to jointly develop and evaluate treatment 
technologies. The Remediation Technologies Development Forum (RTDF) 
harnesses the intellectual and financial resources of the agencies and 
companies to develop technologies of mutual interest. This pooling of 
effort reduces the financial burden and risk of technology research on 
any one organization. EPA leads another collaborative effort to 
evaluate characterization and monitoring technologies. The Consortium 
for Site Characterization provides developers with an independent 
evaluation of their technology's performance. The RTDF and Consortium 
efforts will accelerate the evolution of new methods and their 
acceptance by federal and state regulators as well as technology users.
    EPA's Superfund Innovative Technology Evaluation (SITE) program has 
been evaluating new treatment technologies for over a decade. Under 
SITE, the agency enters into cooperative agreements with vendors to 
demonstrate and evaluate technology performance.
    OSWER has issued a policy directive affirming our commitment to 
technology innovation. The directive provides additional flexibility to 
support the development, demonstration, and application of treatment 
technologies, particularly those which address groundwater 
contamination and those which involve potential cost saving by treating 
wastes in situ. We also see the potential for significant benefits in 
productivity and cost savings through increased use of field 
measurement and monitoring methods. Our policy directive supports 
broader use of such approaches. We also hope to bring our increased 
regulatory flexibility together with desirable attributes of federal 
facilities to act as test beds for innovative technology development 
and demonstration.
    EPA produces a vast amount of information describing markets and 
assessing new treatment and site characterization technologies. The 
Technology Innovation Offices's homepage at HTTP://CLU-IN.COM is 
dedicated to the exchange of information related to new technologies 
for soil and ground water cleanup.
    Question. Would a centralized national effort to demonstrate 
deployability of new cleanup or monitoring technology be a worthwhile 
goal for the country?
    Answer. At the present time, there are several different agency 
efforts to demonstrate and promote new cleanup and monitoring 
technology. Many of these efforts currently involve extensive 
coordination among federal agencies. A summary of these programs may be 
found in the Roundtable publication, Accessing the Federal Government: 
Site Remediation Technology Programs and Initiatives. An advantage to 
having separately administered efforts is the ability of the sponsoring 
agency to tailor their program to their own particular cleanup needs 
while avoiding the possibility of a bottleneck which could result from 
a centralized effort.

                      CLEANUP CONTRACTOR LIABILITY

    Question. Should a contractor's liability be based on the 
consequences of their performance? In other words, should the 
contractor be held to a professional standard of negligence rather than 
one of strict, joint and severable liability?
    Answer. Under current law, response action contractors are uniquely 
situated, in that they are not liable under CERCLA unless the release 
is caused by conduct of the response action contractor that is 
negligent, grossly negligent, or which constitutes intentional 
misconduct. 42 U.S.C. Sec. 9619(a)(2). EPA has not proposed any 
deviation from this standard.
               cleanup contractor liability orphan shares
    Question. Who should hold the liability for hazardous waste 
generation and orphaned sites for government-owned and operated 
facilities, the government or the operating contractor?
    Answer. The Federal government is responsible for compliance and 
cleanup at Federally owned facilities so these are not ``orphan 
sites''. Where EPA has authority under a given statute to initiate an 
enforcement action against an owner or operator at a Federal facility 
and the contractor fits the statutory or regulatory definition of an 
operator, EPA can hold Federal agency, the contractor-operator or both 
liable. Determinations whether to hold the Federal agency or the 
contractor-operator liable are made by EPA regional offices based upon 
site-specific factors, such as whether the contractor is believed to 
have contributed to the contamination at the facility.
    EPA's policy on contractor vs. government agency liability is 
described in a document titled ``EPA Enforcement Policy for Private 
Contractor Operators at Government-Owned/Contractor-Operated (GOCO) 
Facilities'', issued January 7, 1994. A copy is attached.

                       SUPERFUND REAUTHORIZATION

    Question. I congratulate you for the well-intentioned 
administrative reforms you have sought to implement in the federal 
Superfund program, and also for your public statements about the need 
for fundamental statutory changes to increase the pace of cleanups.
    According to engineering and construction firms engaged in 
environmental remediation work around the country, the pace of cleanups 
has slowed significantly during the lengthy, ongoing debate over 
comprehensive reauthorization legislation.
    The administration proposed a $650 million increase for the 
Superfund program in its fiscal year 1998 budget request yet has not 
seen fit to offer comprehensive reauthorization legislation during this 
Congress.
    What assurance can you provide that the Administration will work 
with Congress to enact comprehensive reauthorization legislation before 
the end of the current fiscal year?
    Answer. Over the past several weeks, Senate Committee staff, the 
Administration, and a broad based group of stakeholders have been 
involved in extensive discussions of the issues and concerns 
surrounding reauthorization of the Superfund law. These discussions are 
intended to build a common understanding of the issues that require 
legislative action. During this time, I have met with several members 
of the Environment and Public Works Committee to stress the importance 
of enacting Superfund reauthorization quickly. In the House, similar 
discussions to identify issues that may require legislative action are 
underway.
    I am encouraged by the discussions to date, and have directed EPA 
staff to continue to build the kind of consensus-based agreement that 
is a requisite to revision of this law. It is the responsibility of 
Congress to move legislation forward, so I am not in a position to 
ensure enactment of legislation this year. We remain committed to 
working in a bipartisan fashion with Congress and Superfund 
stakeholders in good faith efforts to develop responsible legislative 
reform of Superfund this year. That reform must continue to build upon 
the successes of the current Superfund program and be rooted in common 
sense.
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                 Questions Submitted by Senator Bennett

            PRICE COALBED METHANE PROJECT EIS NEPA OVERSIGHT

    Question. What is EPA's role in the administration of the National 
Environmental Policy Act?
    Answer. The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has two major 
roles in the administration of the National Environmental Policy Act 
(NEPA). The first role is mandated by section 309 of the Clean Air Act, 
and requires EPA to review certain federal actions including all 
environmental impact statements, comment to the lead agency in writing, 
and make the comments available to the public. It further directs the 
Administrator of EPA to refer to the Council on Environmental Quality 
(CEQ) any `` * * * legislation, action, or regulation * * * '' that the 
Administrator determines to be `` * * * unsatisfactory from the 
standpoint of public health or welfare or environmental quality * * 
*.''
    The second role played by EPA is under a memorandum of 
understanding with CEQ whereby EPA is responsible for accepting 
environmental impact statements for filing from federal agencies and 
publishing each week in the Federal Register a Notice of Availability 
that starts the official comment period for the documents.
    Question. What is the relationship between EPA and CEQ with regard 
to NEPA oversight?
    Answer. The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the Council 
on Environmental Quality (CEQ) have worked closely together through the 
years in the overall administration of the National Environmental 
Policy Act (NEPA). CEQ is responsible for NEPA oversight and for 
issuing regulations and guidance to federal agencies to support their 
compliance with the Act. EPA is responsible for reviewing individual 
projects subject to the environmental impact statement requirements of 
NEPA and, where necessary, referring environmentally unsatisfactory 
projects to CEQ. The two agencies coordinate their activities to avoid 
duplication of effort while working to protect the environment from 
unanticipated adverse impacts from federal actions.
    Question. Which agency is ultimately responsible for the 
administration of NEPA?
    Answer. The Council on Environmental Quality is ultimately 
responsible for the administration of NEPA.

             PRICE COALBED METHANE PROJECT EIS EPA COMMENTS

    Question. Is it routine for EPA to comment on the substantive 
aspects of Environmental Impact Statements prepared by other agencies?
    Answer. It is routine for EPA to comment on the substantive aspects 
of environmental impact statements (EIS's) prepared by other agencies. 
Section 309 of the Clean Air Act directs the Agency to do so, to 
comment in writing on the EIS's, and to make those comments public. 
When we believe that a project is so environmentally unsatisfactory 
that it is a candidate for referral to the Council on Environmental 
Quality, we comment to that effect when we review the draft EIS to 
ensure that the responsible federal agency understands our concerns 
about the project.

            PRICE COALBED METHANE PROJECT EIS UTAH WILDLIFE

    Question. What sources of information did EPA rely on to base its 
comments on the management of wildlife in Utah?
    Answer. Sources of information used by EPA included the concerns 
raised in the draft environmental impact statement (DEIS) prepared by 
Bureau of Land Management, telephone conversations with the Utah 
Division of Wildlife Resources (UDWR) staff, and the Utah Division of 
Wildlife Resources' draft comments on the DEIS. The EPA lead reviewer 
believed that the comments raised valid concerns, and EPA's comments 
supported the UDWR's concerns.

           PRICE COALBED METHANE PROJECT EIS WILDLIFE EXPERT

    Question. Please identify the wildlife expert employed by EPA which 
provided the information by which Ms. Campbell relied upon to make the 
assertions in the December 30 letter.
    Answer. The potential for significant impact to wildlife in the 
project is discussed in the draft environmental impact statement 
(DEIS). After reviewing the document, Mike Strieby, the EPA Review Team 
Leader, contacted the Utah Division of Wildlife Resources (UDWR) to 
discuss concerns raised by review of the document, since the Gordon 
Creek Wildlife Management Area is managed under an existing Habitat 
Management Plan approved by the UDWR Habitat Council. The management 
goals under this plan, jointly administered by UDWR and the Bureau of 
Land Management (BLM), are `` * * * to manage habitats for optimum 
numbers and diversity of wildlife species with special emphasis on 
deer, elk, and moose, and to allow regulated public access for 
consumptive and nonconsumptive uses that do not unduly impact habitat 
or wildlife during crucial periods'' (page 3-42, DEIS).
    EPA requested a copy of UDWR's comments and, based on discussion 
with UDWR, review of its draft comments, and EPA's own review of the 
draft EIS, the Lead Reviewer for EPA concluded that the Price Coal Bed 
Methane project goals conflicted with the Habitat Management Plan for 
the same area. UDWR in its January 2, 1997, letter to BLM also made 
this same point.
    Question. Were comments or suggestions provided to EPA by other 
agencies or commissions of the federal government regarding the impacts 
of the Gordon Creek Wildlife Management Area prior to December 30, 
1996?
    Answer. Neither comments nor suggestions were provided to EPA by 
other agencies or commissions of the federal government regarding the 
impacts of the Gordon Creek Wildlife Management Area prior to December 
30, 1996.
    Question. Did EPA seek or receive information from any nonprofit or 
private organization regarding the DEIS and the impacts on wildlife?
    Answer. EPA did not seek information from any nonprofit or private 
organization during its review of the draft EIS. Unsolicited comments 
were received from the Moab Sportsman's Club concerning wildlife 
impacts. These comments were consistent with the concerns expressed by 
the Utah Department of Wildlife Resources; they were not specifically 
used in EPA's review.

         PRICE COALBED METHANE PROJECT EIS WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT

    Question. How long has EPA been responsible for wildlife 
management?
    Answer. In the review of environmental impact statements, EPA 
examines the analyses in the document and comments in its areas of 
jurisdiction and expertise, as directed by the Council on Environmental 
Quality's NEPA implementing regulations. More broadly, section 309 of 
the Clean Air Act directs EPA to review the document to determine 
whether it is unsatisfactory from the standpoint of public health or 
welfare or environmental quality. EPA considers terrestrial and aquatic 
habitat concerns to be important elements of environmental quality, and 
consequently does include comments on habitat issues in its comments. 
The comments, however, are advisory in nature and EPA cannot 
unilaterally require another federal agency to follow its 
recommendations concerning wildlife management. EPA does believe, 
however, that its concerns should be addressed for the public record in 
the final EIS.
    Question. Does EPA have statutory authority to supersede wildlife 
management practices and/or the recommendations of states?
    Answer. EPA does not have direct statutory authority to impose 
wildlife management practices on federal agencies or states.

           PRICE COALBED METHANE PROJECT EIS CATEGORY RATING

    Question. I understand that EPA has procedures to evaluate the 
adequacy of information in EIS's and a category rating system. Where is 
that system described?
    Answer. The category rating system is described in EPA's ``Policies 
and Procedures for the Review of Federal Actions Impacting the 
Environment,'' which was published on October 3, 1984. This document 
was a revision of the original ``Environmental Review Manual'' dated 
March 1, 1975.
    Question. What are the categories?
    Answer. The rating system used in the review of draft environmental 
impact statements (DEIS's) is an alpha-numeric system that rates both 
the environmental impact of the action and the adequacy of the impact 
statement. The categories for environmental impact are (1) LO (Lack of 
Objections), (2) EC (Environmental Concerns), (3) EO (Environmental 
Objections), and (4) EU (Environmentally Unsatisfactory). The 
categories for document adequacy are ``1'' (Adequate), ``2'' 
(Insufficient Information), and ``3'' (Inadequate). Ratings that 
include an ``EU'' on project impact or ``3'' on document adequacy are 
candidates for referral to the Council on Environmental Quality if the 
final EIS does not demonstrate that the project will not be 
unsatisfactory from the standpoint of public health or welfare, or 
environmental quality.

            PRICE COALBED METHANE PROJECT EIS EPA AUTHORITY

    Question. What is the basis of EPA authority to rate an EIS 
prepared by another agency as adequate or inadequate?
    Answer. Section 309 of the Clean Air Act directs EPA to review and 
comment in writing on the environmental impact of projects subject to 
the environmental impact statement (EIS) requirements of the National 
Environmental Policy Act (NEPA), and to make those comments public at 
the conclusion of the review. It further directs the Administrator to 
refer to the Council on Environmental Quality any proposed projects 
when the Administrator determines that the proposed project is 
unsatisfactory from the standpoint of public health or welfare or 
environmental quality.
    EPA provides a rating to the lead federal agency which summarizes 
EPA's level of concern. The EPA review is primarily concerned with 
identifying and recommending corrective action for the significant 
environmental impacts associated with the proposal. Review of the 
adequacy of the information and analysis contained in the draft EIS's 
is done to support this objective.

                 PRICE COALBED METHANE PROJECT EIS OEPR

    Question. What is the Office of Ecosystem Protection and 
Remediation? What is the mandate of this office? What is its annual 
appropriation? How many FTE's are employed by this office?
    Answer. The Office of Ecosystem Protection and Remediation was 
formed as part of Region VIII EPA's reorganization in October of 1995. 
Parts of the previous Hazardous Waste Management Division and the Water 
Management Division were reorganized to form this new office. The new 
organization moved away from a statutory/media organization to a 
functional/strategic principle structure based upon EPA's July, 1994 
Five Year Strategic Plan. The guiding principles behind the 
reorganization included:
  --Ecosystem Protection
  --Pollution Prevention
  --Partnerships with State, Tribal, Federal and Small/Regulated 
        Communities
  --Improved Science
  --Multi-Media/Sector Strategies and Results
  --Enhanced Communication and Public Involvement
  --Enhanced Regional Strategic Planning and Implementation
  --Reinventing Management.
    The Office of Ecosystems Protection and Remediation is responsible 
for the identification, characterization, and remediation of 
contaminated areas and sites under CERCLA authorities. This 
organization is also the focal point for ecosystems protection 
coordination and priority setting in the Region. Included in the 
ecosystems protection activities, are mine waste, NEPA, community based 
environmental protection, wetlands, water quality standards, non-point 
source, total maximum daily loads, stormwater permitting, watersheds, 
Clean Lakes, salinity, water quality monitoring, groundwater 
activities, source water protection for drinking water, and whole 
effluent toxicity.
    Of the funds that Region VIII received in the fiscal year 1997 
enacted operating plan, $32,978.2 thousand was provided to the Office 
of Ecosystem Protection and Remediation to manage on behalf of the 
Regions. These ``extramural'' funds are for the following purposes:
                                                              Dollars in
                                                               thousands

Superfund Site Response & Technical Enforcement Budgets....... $11,011.4
Superfund Site Specific Response Funds........................  10,034.2
Oil Spill Funds...............................................     205.5
Regional Geographic Ecosystem Protection Initiatives..........     870.3
Regional Wetlands Program Funds...............................      34.4
Non-point Source/319 State Grants.............................   8,564.6
Water Quality Management Cooperative Agreements...............     729.6
Wetlands State/Tribal Grants..................................   1,528.2

    Of the above amount, $11,727.1 thousand has been provided 
to the Ecosystem Protection Program to manage on behalf of the 
Region. These funds are:
                                                              Dollars in
                                                               thousands

Regional Geographic Ecosystem Protection Initiatives..........    $870.3
Regional Wetlands Program Funds...............................      34.4
Non-point Source/319 State Grants.............................   8,564.6
Water Quality Management Cooperative Agreements...............     729.6
Wetlands State/Tribal Grants..................................   1,528.2

    Region VIII is allocated 616 FTE in fiscal year 1997, of which 
155.7 are allocated to the Office of Ecosystem Protection and 
Remediation. The Ecosystem Protection Program received 49.2 of the 
155.7 FTE.

             PRICE COALBED METHANE PROJECT EIS OEPR MANDATE

    Question. Does EPA's Office of Ecosystem Protection and Remediation 
share a similar mandate within other federal agencies?
    Answer. The Region is not aware of another federal agency organized 
similarly, although our Regional structure is similar to a number of 
other EPA Regions. The United States Forest Service, and the Bureau of 
Land Management, however, do look at problems with managing their lands 
in a holistic fashion and thus use an ecosystem scale to frame their 
decisions. EPA Region VIII in organizing the Ecosystem Protection 
Program recognized that environmental problems are often multi-media in 
nature, and set up a structure with staff trained in many different 
media programs that could respond to the complex environmental problems 
that exist in communities today.

         PRICE COALBED METHANE PROJECT EIS ECOSYSTEM PROTECTION

    Question. Please define ecosystem protection.
    Answer. EPA encourages ecosystem management and economic 
development that promotes the health and productivity of natural 
systems. Ecosystem protection is the use of our statutory mandates to 
maintain those ecological functions and processes that are vital for 
ecosystems and the services that they provide to humans. This 
protection is focused on specific geographic areas with an emphasis on 
coordination among federal, state, tribal and local agencies.
    Question. Describe the role of the states in providing protection 
to ecosystems.
    Answer. States have an important role in ecosystem protection 
through management of the lands and programs under their control and 
implementation of their statutory authorities.
    Question. Does EPA ecosystem protection supersede the role of the 
states or other federal agencies such as the National Park System, the 
U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service or the Bureau of Land Management?
    Answer. The success of ecosystem protection ultimately depends on 
the cooperation among all the stake-holders. Consequently, EPA's 
efforts do not supersede the role of other state or federal programs 
and, in fact, complement those protective actions.
                                 ______
                                 

                  Questions Submitted by Senator Leahy

                           SAB MERCURY REPORT

    Question. If the Science Advisory Board recommends that the mercury 
report be released, will the EPA release it?
    Answer. The EPA is committed to fulfilling the requirements of the 
Clean Air Act and to providing Congress with the information it has 
requested by submitting the Report to Congress on Mercury. If the 
Science Advisory Board (SAB) is in agreement with the science of the 
Mercury Study, then the EPA is prepared to make the necessary 
revisions, obtain the required Administration clearance and release the 
report.
    Question. After that recommendation, what steps need to be taken 
before the report is made final?
    Answer. First, the comments and suggestions made by the SAB will be 
reviewed by EPA staff scientists responsible for the study. They will 
assess the effort needed to respond to the comments and provide EPA 
management with a summary of the required analyses, a technical plan to 
complete such analyses, an estimate of resources and a schedule. 
Depending on the extent of the SAB comments, the revisions may need to 
be reviewed by a sub-group of SAB committee members if the committee 
members request such a review. After final revisions and internal EPA 
clearance, the report will be submitted to the Office of Management and 
Budget (OMB). The OMB will then coordinate a Federal interagency 
review, which for this report has typically involved about twelve 
Departments or agencies. The report will likely be revised a final time 
in response to the interagency review, cleared by OMB and then 
submitted to Congress.
    Question. During the February meeting of the SAB mercury review 
panel, several of the questions that EPA initially raised in referring 
the study to the SAB were addressed, what remaining questions remain 
for the SAB to reach conclusion on?
    Answer. The EPA posed about 40 detailed questions, which covered a 
wide variety of scientific issues, to the SAB review committee. The SAB 
panel was very diligent in its review and discussed all of these 
questions during the 2-day February 1997 meeting. Thus, EPA believes 
that of the initial charge, there are no remaining questions for the 
SAB to reach conclusion on. However, EPA is still waiting for the 
written SAB response presenting their assessment.
    In addition, there was a second charge also posed to the SAB which 
asked for their help in convening an independent review panel to assess 
data which will be forthcoming from two ongoing studies of human 
exposure to mercury through fish consumption. However, this effort will 
not take place until sometime in the future, at which point EPA will 
again seek the advice of the SAB.

                  AIR QUALITY REGULATION OF UTILITIES

    Question. In Assistant Administrator Mary Nichols's March 28, 1997 
letter to Representative Markey, EPA stated that ``if environmental 
control costs are not appropriately internalized in the cost of 
electricity generation, retail competition could result * * * in 
increases in overall emissions.'' The letter goes on to recommend a cap 
and trade system where it is necessary and appropriate to protect 
public health and welfare. What steps has EPA taken to implement such a 
system?
    Answer. EPA is working with regional bodies such as the Ozone 
Transport Commission (OTC) and the Ozone Transport Assessment Group 
(OTAG) to facilitate cap and trade approaches which offer flexible, 
low-cost approaches to emissions reduction. EPA assisted the OTC in the 
development of a model NOX cap and trade rule for that 13-
state region. Moreover, at the request of the OTC, EPA is modifying its 
Emissions Tracking System (ETS) and Allowance Tracking System (ATS) 
software to accommodate the OTC's need for seasonal data on 
NOX emissions from electric power plants and other large 
industrial combustion sources to record NOX allowance 
trades. EPA has also encouraged states to adopt a cap and trade 
approach for NOX emission reductions in the 37-state OTAG 
region.
    EPA is committed to reducing long-distance transport of 
NOX, which contributes to exceedences of the public health 
standard for ozone in downwind areas. On April 16, 1997, EPA Assistant 
Administrator Mary D. Nichols wrote to OTAG Chair Mary Gade stating the 
Agency's preliminary conclusion that at least 26 states will be 
required to make NOX reductions because of their 
contributions to pollution transport. EPA intends to address this 
matter in a formal rulemaking after we receive OTAG's technical 
analyses and final recommendations, which are scheduled to be completed 
in June of this year. Through SIP calls, EPA can establish a maximum 
amount of NOX emissions for each of the states that 
contribute to pollution transport. We can, and will, strongly recommend 
to those states that they meet their statewide limits through a 
coordinated, regional cap and trade mechanism. We believe states will 
find such a mechanism attractive because of its flexibility and cost-
effectiveness. While we can recommend a particular implementation 
approach, EPA cannot require states to employ it. As long as states 
achieve the necessary emission limits, states have the discretion to 
choose the specific means of implementation.
    Question. What areas of the country do you foresee as being 
impacted to the extent necessary to implement a cap and trade system to 
protect public health?
    Answer. EPA notes that the 48 contiguous states are already subject 
to a market-based cap and trade system for sulfur dioxide under Title 
IV of the Clean Air Act Amendments of 1990. EPA believes that this same 
area could be affected by a cap and trade system for pollutants such as 
NOX. A nationwide cap and trade system for NOX 
emissions would reduce background levels of NOX 
(facilitating attainment and maintenance of the ozone standard) and 
would provide a level playing field for all power plants.
    Question. What other market-based alternatives are there to address 
the competitive advantage of older, higher emitting power plants?
    Answer. The problem of older, higher emitting power plants could be 
addressed through a uniform emission limit that is fuel-neutral and 
output-based. Market forces would help to determine the mix of 
compliance strategies chosen. However, because such an approach would 
apply uniformly to all power plants without regard to differential cost 
effectiveness, EPA believes that such an approach would be less cost-
effective than a cap and trade approach for the same degree of emission 
reductions. With regard to cap and trade, there are a number of 
possible variations in approach. Allowances could be distributed either 
through an allocation process or through an auction. If allowances are 
allocated, the allocation could be made in a variety of ways. For 
example, allocations could be made according to historic emissions or 
according to a performance standard that applies equally to all 
sources.
    Question. Are there current estimates of how much ozone, fine 
particulate, mercury, and other pollution would be reduced if these 
power plants were required to comply with new source performance 
standards upon reaching a certain age, say 30 or 35 years?
    Answer. The Agency has not conducted an analysis of reductions in 
ozone, fine particles, and mercury if power plants were required to 
comply with new source performance standards upon reaching a certain 
age. However, under EPA's Clean Air Power Initiative (CAPI), the Agency 
projected large reductions of ozone, fine particles, and mercury from 
electric power plants using a cap and trade approach.
    Question. Finally, what recommendations did the EPA make to the 
Department of Energy in crafting the Administration's utility 
restructuring legislation?
    Answer. In response to a congressional request, EPA recently 
indicated that the Clean Air Act and other statutes provide Federal and 
State regulators with considerable authorities designed to address the 
environmental problems contributed to, or caused by, electric 
generating plants, but that because these authorities are not 
integrated to address the many environmental problems related to the 
electric power generation industry, they are not as economically 
efficient as they could be, and they create unnecessary levels of 
uncertainty which are bad for industry and government alike. EPA has 
indicated to DOE that it strongly supports increased competition in the 
electric generation sector. We believe that the economic benefits of 
competition can be achieved along with protection of public health and 
the environment and that in the long run competition will be good for 
both the environment and the consumer. EPA recommended the following 
legislative principles to ensure that the transition period will not 
result in unacceptable environmental degradation:
    Emission Caps.--For a competitive electric market to work 
efficiently, we need to internalize the cost of pollution from this 
sector. We believe that this can best be accomplished with legislative 
language that gives us the specific authority to cap utility emissions 
at levels that will adequately protect public health and welfare. This 
provision is important to our current efforts to meet ambient air 
quality standards and toxics loadings, but will be equally important to 
any future requirement to limit carbon dioxide emissions under a global 
climate change agreement.
    Consumer Information.--In a competitive market, consumer 
information is essential to informed choice and an efficient 
marketplace. EPA believes that the environmental characteristics of 
electricity generation should be clear and publicly available.
    Energy Efficiency.--The new market must support and recognize the 
economic and environmental benefits of energy efficiency and demand 
side management. EPA favors a mechanism which ensures the viability of 
this important resource.
    Renewable Energy.--A healthy renewable energy sector must be 
maintained in the United States to meet both our environmental and 
energy security needs. A market for clean power is essential for the 
future.
    Federal Power Act.--EPA believes that the FERC, in regulating 
interstate power markets, should include environmental impacts along 
with other economic considerations.
    Stranded Cost Recovery.--With respect to stranded cost recovery, we 
believe that States should be discouraged from allowing ratepayer 
subsidies that would prolong the lives of inefficient, dirty generating 
plants that could not survive without those subsidies in a competitive 
marketplace.

                   AIR QUALITY FERC OPEN ACCESS RULE

    Question. When the Administration concluded last year that utility 
restructuring would not result in an increase in air pollution, it 
assumed that new regulations for ozone and particulates would be in 
place. If opponents of the proposed regulations succeed in derailing 
these standards, will the environmental impact of competition in the 
utility industry conducted for the FERC ``open access'' rule be 
reviewed?
    Answer. While the OTAG process is taking longer than expected, 
OTAG's final analysis and recommendations are expected in June 1997. 
EPA is committed to moving forward with a rulemaking to address 
pollution transport related to ozone after we receive OTAG's analysis 
and recommendations. Reduction of precursor transport is likely to be a 
major strategy for implementation of a fine particulate standard, if 
promulgated. EPA believes that the potential exists for emissions to 
increase as a result of industry restructuring if actions are not taken 
to reduce emissions of NOX and fine particulate precursors.

                      AIR QUALITY CEQ COMMITMENTS

    Question. When the ``open access'' rule was made last year, the 
Administration delayed actions to mitigate potential air pollution 
increases from utility restructuring by deferring to the Ozone 
Transport Assessment Group (OTAG). The Council on Environmental Quality 
committed EPA to a series of actions if the OTAG process fails. 
Although OTAG has produced valuable analytical work on ozone transport, 
it does not appear to be approaching consensus on mitigation actions. 
What specific plans, separate from the OTAG process, do you have to 
meet the commitments made last June by CEQ to protect against these 
increases?
    Answer. At this time EPA remains hopeful that the OTAG process will 
reach a consensus on a solution to the NOX transport 
problem. In the meantime, as indicated in answers to earlier questions, 
EPA has assured the OTAG states that the agency will issue a rulemaking 
on ozone transport this summer after receiving OTAG's final 
recommendations. In the event that the OTAG process does not achieve a 
consensus solution, FERC has committed to initiate a notice of inquiry 
into potential mitigation measures related to its open access rule. 
Moreover, should EPA find it necessary to impose federal implementation 
plans (FIP's) to address the NOX transport problem, FERC has 
agreed to undertake a rulemaking on mitigation strategies.

                    AIR QUALITY ACID RAIN REDUCTIONS

    Question. Under the clean air sub-goal of controlling acid rain, a 
25-40 percent reduction is sought in the eastern U.S. by 2005. What is 
the current level of reduction since 1980?
    Answer. A recent wet deposition trend analysis indicated that wet 
sulfur deposition (``acid rain'') decreased 10 to 25 percent in 1995 
over large areas of the eastern U.S. as compared to the 1983 to 1994 
trend line. These decreases are considered substantial in magnitude and 
spatial extent. Another analysis which examined dry deposition data 
indicated that dry sulfur deposition decreased by 30 percent in the 
eastern U.S. between 1989 and 1995.
    Question. What areas of the eastern U.S. have seen the greatest and 
least reductions?
    Answer. With implementation of Phase I of the Acid Rain Program, 
Northern New England and the Mid-Atlantic region saw the largest wet 
sulfur deposition reductions in 1995, between 20 and 25 percent from 
the 1983 to 1994 trend line. 1995 data showed the largest decreases in 
and downwind of the Ohio River Valley. Wet sulfur deposition increased 
by 7.5 percent in the western U.S. Wet nitrogen deposition increased 
slightly by almost 5 percent in the eastern U.S. and increased by 
almost 4 percent in the western U.S. Another analysis indicated that 
dry sulfur deposition was reduced by 30 percent in 1995, relative to 
1989 levels; results were similar across the eastern U.S.
    Question. How do the EPA activities to reach the 2005 goal account 
for potential increased demand for electricity under utility 
restructuring?
    Answer. Because sulfur dioxide emissions are capped by Title IV of 
the Clean Air Act Amendments of 1990, any increase in electricity 
demand would not affect total SO emissions in the long term. 
Any increase in electricity generation would need to be offset by 
sources reducing their in emission rates to meet the Title IV 
SO cap.
                noX fiscal year 1998 funding
    Question. In the fiscal year 1998 request, an additional $681,000 
is requested to address NOX issues in the Northeast. Where 
will these funds be allocated?
    Answer. The Agency has requested an increase of $414,620 to address 
NOX issues in Northeast. This money will support salaries 
for 2 EPA employees in Headquarters and 3 employees in the Regions. The 
remaining of $181,780 covers increased workforce costs in the base.
    Question. What activities will be undertaken with these additional 
funds?
    Answer. These funds will be used to continue development and 
implementation of an emissions tracking system and an allowance 
tracking system for the Ozone Transport Commission's (OTC) 
NOX budget program. The NOX budget program is the 
result of a collaboration between interested states in the Northeast to 
reduce NOX from stationary sources using a cap and trade 
approach. EPA has offered to track NOX emissions and 
allowances for the OTC by modifying and expanding the existing Acid 
Rain data system used to track sulfur dioxide allowances and nitrogen 
oxide emissions.

               SAFE DRINKING WATER ACT NATIONAL MEETINGS

     Question. In the fiscal year 1998 request under the Safe Drinking 
Water Act amendments of 1996, new prevention approaches, EPA states 
that the Agency plans to hold national meetings in 1997 to scope out 
partnership duties and to identify current and new operator training 
and certification programs. How many of these meetings will be in the 
Northeast and what locations and dates is EPA considering?
    Answer. The Agency has already formed its operator certification 
partnership and has held one meeting in Washington, D.C. on March 25 
and 26, 1997. Another meeting has been scheduled in Washington, D.C. on 
June 5 and 6, 1997. The partnership will decide at the end of this 
meeting when and where the next meeting should be held. In establishing 
the partnership, the Agency has tried to obtain representatives from 
various interests and from different geographic locations, including 
one member from the Northeast.
    The partnership will provide advice to the Agency, through the 
Drinking Water Advisory Council, as it develops information and 
guidelines to meet new Safe Drinking Water Act requirements. A draft of 
the guidelines will be circulated widely for comment before it is 
finalized. We have not made any definite plans to hold stakeholder 
meetings to review the guidelines as yet, however, if we do so, we will 
consider holding a meeting in the Northeast.

               SAFE DRINKING WATER ACT STATE SOURCE WATER

    Question. The 1996 SDWA amendments also expanded authorization for 
source water protection. When will EPA guidance for this program be 
made available? Which states have used 1997 state revolving funds for 
state source water assessments? Under the current program or under the 
1996 amendments will states be able to use SDWA funds to purchase land 
or easements for source water areas? Are there areas where this has 
already been done? What is the process for using SDWA funds for this 
type of activity?
    Answer. The draft guidance for State source water assessment and 
protection programs, which was developed in consultation with many 
stakeholders, was released by EPA on April 4, 1997 to the public. As 
part of its ongoing discussions, EPA will convene a meeting of New 
England States on May 28th in Worcester, Massachusetts and May 29th in 
Concord, New Hampshire. We plan to publish the final guidance on or 
before the statutory deadline of August 6, 1997.
    In the final Drinking Water State Revolving Fund (DWSRF) 
Guidelines, EPA strongly encouraged States to determine the level of 
activities that needed to be undertaken in order to complete source 
water assessments in the State, and then utilize necessary funds, up to 
10 percent from the 1997 DWSRF capitalization grant. The most recent 
survey of States in April 1997 showed that approximately three-quarters 
of the States plan to use funds for source water assessments. As EPA 
reviews the State capitalization grant applications, States' actual use 
of the assessment set aside will be tracked and EPA will ask States 
that do not intend to use the set-aside to demonstrate how they intend 
to meet the requirement to complete their source water assessment 
programs.
    Under Section 1452(k)(1)(A)(I), States may make loans to public 
water systems to ``acquire land or a conservation easement from a 
willing seller or grantor, if the purpose of the acquisition is to 
protect the source water of the system from contamination and to ensure 
compliance with national primary drinking water regulations.'' The 
final DWSRF Guidelines provides the States with the flexibility to use 
loan repayments from land acquisition and source water projects for 
future projects of a similar nature if the State so chooses, or the 
State may direct these repayments into the DWSRF project fund. This 
flexibility would allow States the option to develop a long-term 
program to fund land acquisition and source water projects.
    To date, no DWSRF funds have been used for land acquisition or 
conservation easements, or source water projects. Only one State, 
Georgia, has received its capitalization grant. Georgia's intended use 
plan (IUP) indicated that it will use 6 percent of its capitalization 
grant for source water assessments, but no fiscal year 1997 funds are 
planned for source water protection loan activities. Prior to the SDWA 
Amendments of 1996, public water systems purchased land and easements 
in order to protect source waters. For example, Seattle, Washington, 
and Portland, Oregon purchased the entire watershed that supplies water 
to their public water system.
    Prior to awarding DWSRF funds under Section 1452(k)(1)(A)(I), EPA 
must approve a State's capitalization grant, which includes the 
Intended Use Plan (IUP), and the State must develop a workplan which 
provides specific details on how the State will use these (k)(1)(A)(I) 
loans. Once a State has an approved workplan, it may make the loans to 
public water systems consistent with the IUP and work plan, and as 
permitted by State law, regulations and procedures.

                 BROWNFIELDS INITIATIVE IN RURAL AREAS

    Question. The Administration requests a significant funding 
increase for the Brownfields initiative in fiscal year 1998. How much 
of this funding increase is targeted towards rural Brownfields sites? 
Where are these located and what type of industry is involved? Has the 
EPA worked with the U.S. Forest Service to identify potential 
Brownfield pilot sites in the Northeast?
    Answer. The selection process for the Brownfield assessment pilots 
is competitive, based on an objective set of criteria. The funding 
increase for the Brownfield initiative in fiscal year 1998 does not 
have a targeted amount that will go toward rural Brownfield sites. 
There are currently 14 rural and small town pilots, which have 
populations of less than 50,000, of the existing 78 pilots. They are 
located and have the following types of industry involved:
  --Burlington, VT (Commercial and Industrial)
  --Bonne Terre, MO (Mining)
  --Cape Charles, VA (Eco-Industrial Park)
  --Concord, NH (Railyard, Maintenance Sheds, Gas and Steam Plants, and 
        Factories)
  --Chippewa County, MI (Former DOD Base)
  --Emeryville, CA (Widespread Groundwater Contamination, source 
        unknown)
  --Murray City, UT (Smelter)
  --Panhandle Health District, ID (Smelter)
  --Lima, OH (Industrial Park)
  --Prichard, AL (Volatile Organic Carbon in Drinking Water and 
        Semivolatile Organic Carbon in Soil)
  --Navajo Nation, AZ (Wood Processing)
  --Phoenixville, PA (Iron and Steel)
  --West Jordan, UT (Mining, Smelting, Sugar, Copper, Lead, Zinc, and 
        Silver Industries)
  --Rome, NY (Lead in Soil and Chlorinated Solvent in Groundwater).
     EPA is in the process of forming a Partnership Agenda with other 
Federal Agencies. The U.S.D.A. and Forest Service have participated in 
our meetings and contributed to the Agenda. The Forest Service is 
currently working with the Cape Charles, VA Brownfield pilot. The 
National Park Service's Urban Resources Program is meeting with EPA 
Region 9 to identify potential links with Brownfield pilots.

                       LAKE CHAMPLAIN ACTION PLAN

    Question. In two recent letters on implementation of the Lake 
Champlain Action Plan, EPA has committed itself to implement the 
pollution prevention and restoration plans. The July 22, 1996 letter 
from Assistant Administrator Perciasepe mentioned ``significant 
resources that can be devoted to the special problems faced by Lake 
Champlain.'' What programs has EPA used to target problems in Lake 
Champlain?
    Answer. The Agency continues to be a partner in the Lake Champlain 
Basin Program, and, in cooperation with the States, has used a variety 
of programs to support activities in the Basin through technical 
assistance, grants for base State programs, and targeted project 
grants. The programs that have supported activities are: the Clean 
Water Act (CWA) including State Revolving Fund (Title VI), Construction 
Grants (Title II), Nonpoint Source Grants (Section 319), Wetland 
Program Grants, Pollution Control Grants (Section 106), Water Quality 
Cooperative Agreements and Appropriation earmarks.
    Question. Over the past five years, how much funding has gone to 
Lake Champlain though these programs?
    Answer. Since fiscal year 1993, over 60 million dollars has been 
provided through these programs to support work in the Lake Champlain 
Basin.
    Question. Of that funding, which funds were through state revolving 
funds or state delegated programs?
    Answer. Over the past five years, $41 million has been provided 
through the Clean Water State Revolving Fund to support programs in the 
Lake Champlain area. While not included in the figure above, 
substantial resources from the Clean Water Act, Section 106 Pollution 
Control grants have benefitted the Lake through base program permitting 
and enforcement.

             LAKE CHAMPLAIN MANAGEMENT PLAN ANNUAL FUNDING

    Question. If EPA were to create a dedicated Lake Champlain 
initiative to address the actions identified for EPA participation in 
the Lake Champlain Management Plan, what level of annual funding would 
be required and which EPA programs would be drawn upon?
    Answer. EPA will continue to support water quality protection 
efforts in the Lake Champlain Basin, including providing active 
participation on the management conference and working with the States 
to direct available grant funds to activities in the Basin as 
determined by State priorities. EPA participation in the Plan will 
continue to involve technical staff support and support to State 
agencies through available water quality grant programs such as the 
Nonpoint Source Grant program, the Clean Water State Revolving Fund, 
Wetlands Program grants, and Water Quality Cooperative Agreements.

                 NATIONAL INVASIVE SPECIES ACT OF 1996

    Question. In his July 22, 1996 letter, Mr. Perciasepe also 
mentioned EPA's support of the National Invasive Species Act of 1996. 
With the passage of NISA, what activities is EPA undertaking to address 
invasive species?
    Answer. EPA is one of the participating agencies serving on the 
Aquatic Nuisance Species Task Force. The Task Force is responsible for 
coordinating inter-governmental actions to reduce the risks from 
nuisance species. Much of the task force work has focused on control of 
ballast water and review of control programs for nuisance species 
(e.g., round goby, ruffe).
    Various EPA programs are addressing invasive species. A number of 
EPA's Regions are involved in inter-agency working groups within their 
regions to address nuisance species in the context of NISA. EPA's 
Office of Research and Development has developed risk assessments for 
nuisance species as part of their effort to develop ecological risk 
assessment guidelines for biological agents. NISA Sec 1202(I)(2) calls 
for EPA, in conjunction with NSF and the Task Force, to develop an 
annual call for research proposals to study dispersal containments for 
nuisance species.
    The Chesapeake Bay Program has completed an Implementation Plan for 
managing the introduction of non-indigenous aquatic species. The plan 
is intended to minimize the economic and/or ecological risks associated 
with first time introduction of non-indigenous aquatic species. In the 
Great Lakes, EPA has begun a project that will focus on prevention and 
control, ecological impacts, geographic extent, and information/
outreach. The Gulf of Mexico Program will be initiating a strategic 
assessment process to evaluate the effectiveness of current programs 
and the needs of program shareholders to reduce and prevent the 
introduction of undesirable, non-indigenous species (including ballast 
water). The Gulf Program will support through financial and technical 
assistance Gulf state and local efforts to reduce and prevent the 
introduction of undesirable, non-indigenous species (including ballast 
water). EPA chairs the Washington State Exotic Species Work Group which 
has developed an Implementation Plan for addressing marine exotic 
species in Puget Sound. The Agency is also working closely with the 
British Columbia Exotic Species Work Group in developing a similar 
implementation plan.
    Question. Has EPA identified funds within the Clean Lakes program 
to address this issue?
    Answer. The Clean Water Act (CWA) Section 314 Clean Lakes program 
has not been funded for several years. EPA has encouraged States in its 
Nonpoint Source Program guidance to use Section 319 Nonpoint Source 
grants to fund eligible watershed management activities that might have 
been funded in previous years under Section 314.

                    LAKE CHAMPLAIN PROJECTS FUNDING

    Question. What other lakewide projects were funded in the fiscal 
year 1997 budget or the fiscal year 1998 request?
    Answer. Our 1998 request does not include targeted funding for 
lakewide projects, though our request includes a number of State grant 
programs (such as Nonpoint Source, Wetlands Program, and Water Quality 
Cooperative Agreements) under which such projects can be funded at the 
State's discretion. In addition, activities included in a state's 
Nonpoint Source Plan are eligible for funding under the Clean Water 
State Revolving Fund. Our 1997 request, likewise, did not include 
targeted lake projects, though the appropriation included earmarks 
(along with the earmark for Lake Champlain) for Five Island Lake, Lake 
Hollingsworth, and for Skaneatles, Owasco and Otisco Lakes.
    Question. What EPA programs were they funded under?
    Answer. These projects were not funded under existing EPA grant 
programs, but rather were explicitly directed in the 1997 Appropriation 
conference report.

                           GREAT WATER BODIES

    Question. In the fiscal year 1998 request, $37 million is requested 
for the Great Water Bodies program component. What activities are 
conducted under this program and where are funds allocated?
    Answer. The Great Water Bodies program component, within the Office 
of Water, is comprised of the Chesapeake Bay Program Office, the Great 
Lakes National Program Office and the Gulf of Mexico Program Office.
    The Chesapeake Bay Program Office (CBPO): The Agency requests a 
total of $19,683,000 and 16.8 total workyears in 1998 for the 
Chesapeake Bay Program. The Chesapeake Bay Program (CBP) will develop, 
implement and monitor interstate management plans for pollution 
prevention and control activities to improve the water quality habitat 
in the Bay Region. This will be accomplished by integrating efforts for 
addressing point and nonpoint sources of pollution from air, water and 
land-based sources through the watershed and airshed approach and by 
coordinating with both state and Federal natural resources agencies, 
local governments, land managers and various stakeholders.
    The CBP will evaluate, and communicate the progress of these 
interstate plans by using quantifiable environmental goals and 
indicators for the nutrient, toxics, habitat, living resources and land 
stewardship aspects of the program. New efforts, and possibly 
corrective measures, will likely be implemented based on the results of 
the 1997 Nutrient Reduction Strategy Reevaluation, and its 
recommendations for achieving the year 2000 nutrient reduction goal. 
Recommendations will be made to the Chesapeake Executive Council for 
new or refined goals and strategies to improve water quality and living 
resources conditions of the Bay. Expanded public awareness programs and 
public access to Bay restoration information will be a major focus. 
This will be accomplished through regular public reports, continued 
maintenance of Internet information resources, and the maintenance of 
the Chesapeake Information Management System in accordance with a 
directive of the Chesapeake Executive Council. These communications 
will be aimed at providing information on the State of the Bay and what 
citizens can do to reduce pollution at the source.
    The CBP will work directly with state and local governments to meet 
the commitments of the ten tributary strategies for nutrient reduction 
adopted from 1994-1996. Increased efforts will be made to further 
involve and expand the role of local governments in the CBP. Some of 
these efforts will be aimed at improving nutrient reductions at 
Publicly Owned Treatment Works (POTW's). Implementation of nonpoint 
source projects on farmlands and urban areas will continue to yield 
nutrient reductions meant to meet tributary specific and Bay-wide 
environmental goals. New technologies and approaches will be supported 
for point and nonpoint source controls to close the gap between goals 
and current progress. In addition, efforts will focus on linking air 
deposition sources of nitrogen and toxics pollution to the health of 
the Bay and developing cost effective control strategies.
    EPA will continue to address the commitments of the Chesapeake Bay 
Basinwide Toxics Reduction and Prevention Strategy of 1994. The 1998 
obligations include: implementation of management actions (reduction, 
prevention, protection, assessment) for designated geographical areas; 
revision of the basinwide toxics loading and release inventory; 
establishment of reductions goals for atmospheric deposition, urban 
stormwater, and acid mine drainage loadings to the Bay; establishment 
of water quality and/or sediment quality criteria for the designated 
Bay Toxics of Concern; implementing Business for the Bay, a pollution 
prevention program; and reporting progress on implementing the 
Strategy.
    By funding identified fish passage projects, CBP will work to 
achieve the five and ten-year goals for stream miles opened to 
migratory fish. Efforts will be increased to ensure that the 1998 goal 
of the reopening of 582 miles of migratory fish spawning habitat will 
be met. Most of these projects will include funding from both private 
and public sources. In addition, wetlands, stream and forest 
restoration, oyster reef habitat restoration and the implementation of 
a riparian forest buffer policy will yield progress toward restoring 
critical habitat in the basin.
    The Great Lakes National Program Office (GLNPO): The Agency's Great 
Lakes program includes $13,326,400 and 46.2 workyears in the Great 
Lakes National Program Office. EPA's Great Lakes Program utilizes a 
multimedia approach to Great Lakes ecosystem management, emphasizing 
geographic targeting, risk-based prioritization and coordinated 
cooperative efforts on the parts of states, tribes, other Federal 
agencies, industry, non-governmental organizations, and Canada. The 
Program monitors Lake ecosystem indicators; manages and provides public 
access to Great Lakes data; helps communities address contaminated 
sediments in their harbors; supports local protection and restoration 
of important habitats; promotes pollution prevention through activities 
and projects such as the 1997 Canada-U.S. Binational Toxics Strategy; 
and provides assistance to implement community-based Remedial Action 
Plans (RAP's) for Areas of Concern and for development and 
implementation of Lakewide Management Plans. Fiscal year 1998 Lake 
indicator activities will include reporting results of modeling 
scenarios from the monitoring of Lake Michigan air, water, sediments, 
and biota (the Lake Michigan Mass Balance Study), supporting the Great 
Waters provision of the Clean Air Act and Sec. 118 of the Clean Water 
Act. This will enable the Agency and its partners to determine how to 
further reduce Great Lakes pollutants. Principal LaMP and RAP 
activities will include implementation of remedial actions to address 
toxics in targeted Areas of Concern and other priorities under the 
LaMP's for Lakes Ontario, Michigan, Erie, and Superior.
    The Gulf of Mexico Program Office (GMPO): The fiscal year 1998 
allocation for the Gulf of Mexico Program within the Coastal 
Environmental Management (CEM) program element is $4,292,300 and 13.8 
workyears. The Gulf of Mexico Program priorities are to protect the 
Gulf of Mexico from the deleterious effects of nutrient enrichment; 
reduce adverse health effects resulting from the consumption of raw 
shellfish harvested from the Gulf of Mexico; protect and restore 
essential Gulf of Mexico habitats; reduce the ecological and economic 
impact on living resources in the Gulf of Mexico by reducing/preventing 
the introduction of undesirable, nonindigenous species; improve the 
ability of the American public to participate in the protection of 
public health and the environment by increasing the quality and 
quantity of general environmental education, outreach, and data 
availability programs.
    In fiscal year 1998 the Gulf of Mexico Program will establish a 
quantitative goal for nutrient loadings from the Mississippi River 
Basin into the Gulf of Mexico through a broad-based, shareholder 
process. Activities to support this objective are to provide support to 
the states of Louisiana and Mississippi in monitoring nutrient loads 
from major tributaries and sources and in implementing innovative, 
prevention approaches to reduce nutrient loading to surface waters; to 
coordinate nutrient modeling efforts among state and federal agencies 
and develop the modeling/decision support capacity to target future 
actions and report environmental progress; and to support targeted 
state and federal education and communication efforts to foster 
voluntary actions by industries and landowners to reduce nutrient 
pollution.
    By fiscal year 2005, the Gulf of Mexico Program will reduce adverse 
health effects resulting from the consumption of raw shellfish 
harvested from the Gulf by increasing the number of shellfish beds 
available for safe harvesting by 10 percent in five coastal estuaries. 
Activities in fiscal year 1998 will include: Barataria-Terrebonne, 
Louisiana and Mobile Bay, Alabama shellfish growing water restoration 
implementation plan completion and project implementation started; 
shellfish assessment planning and implementation for three additional 
Gulf estuaries will be initiated, one for each year fiscal year 1999, 
fiscal year 2000, and fiscal year 2001.
    By 1999, the Gulf of Mexico Program will establish the scope of 
efforts and quantitative goals for the protection and restoration of 
essential habitat. Activities in fiscal year 1998 will include to 
initiate a strategic assessment process to evaluate the effectiveness 
of current programs and the needs of Program shareholders to protect 
and restore essential habitat; to support through financial and 
technical assistance Gulf state and local efforts to target specific 
habitat areas for protection and restoration.
    By 1999, the Gulf of Mexico Program will establish the scope of 
efforts and quantitative objectives for the reduction and prevention of 
impacts resulting from the introduction of undesirable, nonindigenous 
species. Activities in fiscal year 1998 are to initiate a strategic 
assessment process to evaluate the effectiveness of current programs 
and the needs of Program shareholders to reduce and prevent the 
introduction of undesirable, nonindigenous species (including ballast 
water); to support through financial and technical assistance Gulf 
state and local efforts to reduce and prevent the introduction of 
undesirable, nonindigenous species.
    By 2005, the Gulf of Mexico Program will provide effective 
communications of Gulf-related environmental issues and activities to 
every Gulf coastal county and parish. Activities in fiscal year 1998 
are to develop and distribute environmental curricula support programs 
for primary and secondary school systems; to support state and 
community-led environmental information centers in each of the five 
Gulf states; to develop more effective community access to Gulf marine 
research and science through the Gulf Information Network.

                  LIVING MACHINE: WASTEWATER TREATMENT

    Question. Last month EPA released a report to Congress on the 
``Living Machine'' Wastewater Treatment Technology. Do you believe that 
the 11-week period of observation at the Maryland facility which was 
used as the basis for this report, is representative or typical of the 
long-term performance of the facility? Might an analysis during a more 
stable period of the plant's operation have yielded different results?
    Answer. The 11-week independent testing period at the Frederick, 
MD, facility was scheduled to be run during a period of steady-state 
operating conditions while the facility ran at design capacity flow 
rates. The disruption in performance that resulted from the switch in 
chemical usage was discussed in detail in the Interim Report issued on 
the Frederick, MD, project in September 1995 (EPA 832-B-96-002) and was 
also summarized in our recent Response to the Appropriations 
Subcommittee.
    While the project steady-state operations and performance during 
the 11-week test period were disrupted somewhat by a switch from 
acetate to methanol as a carbon source for denitrification, this impact 
was not significant. It had no apparent effect on the follow-on 3-week 
evaluation of the treatment performance of treatment trains with vs 
without the floating vegetation cover on the open tanks. When the data 
generated during the test period were plotted in our Response, along 
with the data generated by the grantee, the performance levels were 
very close prior to and after the period of disruption.
    The cause of the disruption in performance was taken into account 
when EPA developed our findings--that the AEES ``Living Machine'' has 
the potential to produce an effluent with: 5-day biological oxygen 
demand (BOD5) <10mg/1, Total Suspended Solids (TSS) <10mg/1, 
Ammonia >1mg/1, Nitrate-Nitrogen (NO3) >5mg/1, Total 
Nitrogen (TN) <10mg/1, and fecal coliforms <200 cfu/100ml--which would 
satisfy all of the specified treatment goals for the Frederick, MD, 
project, except Total Phosphorus (TP). As a result, if the testing had 
occurred during a more stable period of plant operations, the Agency 
doubts that the final conclusions drawn from the results of the testing 
would have been any different.

                   LIVING MACHINE: ACCURATE REPORTING

    Question. The report states that the Maryland Living Machine ``did 
not meet any of its treatment goals during the study period, with the 
exception of TSS.'' Wouldn't a more accurate reporting of the facility 
be that except for the 11-week period during which EPA studied, the 
plant reliably met its goals for BOD, COD and TSS in its final year of 
operation?
    Answer. The Response to Congress on the AEES ``Living Machine'' as 
well as the earlier Interim Report on the Frederick, MD, facility 
stated that during the 11-week independent testing period, the facility 
``did not meet any of its treatment goals during the study period, with 
the exception of TSS'' because this is a matter of fact relative to the 
11-week testing period. Since the Interim Report only addressed the 11-
week testing period results and was drafted in 1995, it could not 
address the facility's performance during its final year of operation. 
Still, this report concluded that the AEES ``Living Machine'' has the 
potential to produce an effluent with: BOD5 <10mg/1, TSS 
<10mg/1, Ammonia <1mg/1, NO3 >5mg/1, TN <10mg/1, and fecal 
coliforms <200 cfu/100ml--which would satisfy all of the specified 
treatment goals for the Frederick, MD, project, except TP. While the 
final version of the Response to Congress also makes a similar 
statement about the 11-week testing period performance, the report 
clearly states in the conclusions that the ``Living Machine,'' in the 
present configuration, can reliably meet process goals for removal of 
BOD5, TSS, and Ammonia, can produce an effluent with fecal 
coliforms at <200 cfu/100ml, and has the potential to achieve target 
removal requirements for nitrate and total nitrogen. The report also 
presents graphics demonstrating this fact for the Frederick, MD, 
system's final year of operation. No original target COD goals were 
established by the grantee for the Frederick, MD, facility.

                       LIVING MACHINE PEER REVIEW

    Question. Because of the anomalies that existed during the 11-week 
study period, a peer review of the report might provide further insight 
into the reliability of the data and its interpretation. Will you agree 
to have the report peer reviewed?
    Answer. The Interim Report on the Frederick, MD, facility which 
reported the results of the EPA 11-week independent testing effort was 
both formally and informally peer reviewed. Input provided by our 
reviewers was carefully addressed in putting together the final version 
of the ``Interim Report'' that was published and has been circulated to 
interested parties. The report and peer review procedures we employed 
were subjected to a detailed audit by the Agency's review of our peer 
review processes earlier this year. The Response to Congress report was 
intended to provide EPA's response to questions regarding the status of 
the four demonstration projects and future funding recommendations. It 
relied heavily upon the earlier, peer-reviewed ``Interim Report on 
Frederick, MD, Facility'' and data supplied by the grantee in progress 
reports. The Agency felt it was not necessary to subject the Response 
to Congress report to formal peer review, but did seek informal review 
by EPA Headquarters, the EPA/ORD-Cincinnati laboratory, EPA Regional 
staff, and the grantee prior to finalizing the document.

                         LIVING MACHINE UPDATES

    Question. The report includes information from the first four 
months of steady-state operations at the South Burlington Vermont 
Living Machine. Although already reflecting improved performance, the 
numbers do not show the degree of stability that has been achieved 
since that time. Despite the cold Vermont winter, the Living Machine 
has met every target in the last few months. Does EPA intend to supply 
Congress with updates to this report that describe the ongoing 
improvements to effluent treatment?
    Answer. EPA currently intends to prepare a final report in the form 
of an Emerging Technology Assessment of the AEES ``Living Machine'' and 
related technologies based upon all of the data generated by the four 
demonstration projects, as well as from previous pilot-scale projects, 
vendors, and other sources. The Agency plans to have a draft of this 
document available by the end of September 1997. The document will be 
thoroughly peer reviewed and opportunities will be provided for input 
and comment by all interested parties. Copies of this document will be 
provided to Congress.

            LIVING MACHINE WASTEWATER TREATMENT INTANGIBLES

    Question. In determining the cost/benefit of EPA regulations and 
standards the Agency must often weigh intangibles such as quality of 
life, and improved health. The Living Machine has intangibles of its 
own that do not appear to be addressed in the report. Operating a 
wastewater plant which uses fewer chemicals than standard plants and 
incorporates natural biological decay processes is more environmentally 
friendly and raises awareness about the issues of waste treatment 
facing communities. The South Burlington plant in particular has 
developed an extensive educational program which has introduced school 
students from throughout the area to the problem of waste management. 
Students have gone on to conduct experiments of their own using mini-
Living Machines which they take back to their classrooms to study. 
Shouldn't EPA incorporate these qualities into its analysis of the 
Living Machine, as it does when weighing the benefits of regulatory 
policies? What other steps is the Agency taking to raise awareness 
about waste management, and could the Living Machine be incorporated 
into those activities?
    Answer. The Agency is requesting that the grantee provide better 
documentation of the additional values as a part of their efforts to 
document the benefits of the technology.
    Claims made by the developers of the AEES ``Living Machine'' 
technology that the technology cleans wastewater to advanced treatment 
standards using ``natural solar powered greenhouse based technology 
without chemicals'' were addressed in the Response to Congress report 
as misleading--the available data indicates that these systems use 
about the same mechanical energy sources (at the same levels) and the 
same chemicals as many of the conventional biological wastewater 
treatment systems. In addition, EPA found that the sludge volume 
produced by these systems appears to be only slightly less than a 
conventional extended aeration treatment process which is inconsistent 
with earlier claims made in promotional materials about the technology.
    However, EPA agrees that the environmentally friendly atmosphere 
created as a part of the AEES ``Living Machine'' and related 
technologies offer special opportunities for interface with the public 
about issues associated with wastewater management. While the Agency's 
efforts to date have focused on evaluating the treatment performance of 
the technology, we hope to see our grantee more fully explore and 
document these opportunities as part of their project documentation. 
Based in part on this information, to the degree possible, EPA will 
attempt to address this issue in our Emerging Technology Assessment 
Report.
    EPA has developed numerous materials (fact sheets, primers, videos, 
technical reports, etc.) as well as worked closely with groups such as 
the Water Environment Federation, the National Small Flows Clearing 
House, the National Water Research Institute, the National Academy of 
Sciences, universities, and others to address a wide variety of waste 
management issues and outreach materials. Once the Agency has 
adequately documented the actual performance capabilities of the AEES 
``Living Machine,'' we will be able to appropriately represent this 
alternative approach to wastewater treatment in future editions of 
these materials.

                       LIVING MACHINE SUPPLEMENT

    Question. The Massachusetts Foundation of Excellence in Marine and 
Polymer Sciences has provided EPA with more updated figures on the cost 
of building and operating a Living Machine. While I understand that EPA 
has not yet had the opportunity to analyze this new data, I believe 
this information could provide valuable insight into the comparative 
costs of operating a Living Machine versus a conventional system. 
Considering the developments in the performance of the South Burlington 
plant and the new information on operating and construction costs, I 
think that a supplement to the report would be appropriate and helpful 
for the most accurate understanding of this technology when EPA has had 
an opportunity to properly review the new data. Will you provide such a 
supplement to the recipients of the original report when the more 
recent data has been reviewed?
    Answer. The supplemental cost data provided by the Massachusetts 
Foundation of Excellence in Marine and Polymer Sciences (MFEMPS) was 
not adequately documented to allow a detailed evaluation. MFEMPS has 
agreed to provide us with a more detailed basis for the cost savings 
that they have projected as well as schematics to help facilitate a 
detailed evaluation. MFEMPS is proposing to have a cost evaluation 
conducted by one of its Technical Advisory Group members who is well 
respected within the wastewater treatment industry. The Emerging 
Technology Assessment Report will include an independent cost 
evaluation section prepared by personnel with an extensive background 
in both conventional and natural treatment systems and in conducting 
cost evaluations of wastewater treatment alternatives. The Agency has 
suggested to MFEMPS that these two cost evaluation efforts be closely 
coordinated if not merged. Copies of the Emerging Technology Assessment 
Report with the cost evaluation section will be provided to Congress.
                                 ______
                                 

               Questions Submitted by Senator Lautenberg

                             ATSDR FUNDING

    Question. Ms. Browner, as you know there has been considerable 
criticism by my colleagues that Superfund sites are not a significant 
health risk. The work and evaluations by ATSDR have proven those 
allegations to be false. But despite the proposed increase in funding 
for Superfund, the non-EPA programs funded out of Superfund, NIEHS, 
ATSDR, and Justice, receive essentially no increase or decreases. ATSDR 
has been doing risk assessments and health studies at Superfund and 
non-Superfund sites including Hoboken and Toms River, New Jersey. It 
does not appear that ATSDR can keep up with its workload or its ability 
to fund state programs on critical environmental health issues. Without 
additional funding, most of the state health departments that depend 
for site epidemiological work may be cut off. Why does the 
Administration not fund this program to a level more commensurate to 
its importance to public health?
    Answer. ATSDR is a valuable partner for EPA at priority Superfund 
sites--particularly at sites moving into the remedy selection/
construction phase. The fiscal year 1998 Budget provides $64 million 
for ATSDR which is a $6 million increase over the fiscal year 1997 
request. As stated, ATSDR's assessments can, and are, used to 
effectively communicate the risks and threats being addressed by 
Superfund cleanups. However, our investments must focus on our efforts 
to actually remove the threats we know to exist at the Nation's worst 
sites. Notwithstanding ATSDR's importance to safeguarding public 
health, EPA needs the additional funding to meet its construction 
completion goals which will prevent populations from exposure to 
hazardous waste.

                    ATSDR FUNDING: IMPACT ON STATES

    Question. How many states will have their grants lowered or 
discontinued under the President's proposal?
    Answer. EPA does not provide direction to ATSDR on state supported 
public health programs. Nevertheless, EPA has provided ample funding to 
ATSDR in fiscal year 1998 to continue providing steady support for 
state sponsored public health activities.

                             NIEHS FUNDING

    Question. One of the major criticisms of Superfund, is the high 
cost of technology needed for remedial actions. There has been research 
on innovative technologies that have significantly brought down costs. 
For instance, the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences, 
NIEHS, through UC-Berkeley developed and tested a stream injection 
technology for removing solvents and liquid from soils that is 60 times 
more efficient than pump and treat methods. Despite this work and other 
work around the country funded by NIEHS, the President's request is a 
$7 million cut at the same time Superfund's budget increases $700 
million. What was the rationale for cutting this program?
    Answer. NIEHS conducts valuable basic research on the effects of 
hazardous waste on human health. However, the President has committed 
EPA to achieve cleanup results at NPL Superfund sites. In fiscal year 
1998, the Superfund program funding must focus on the physical 
construction of cleanup remedies at hundreds of waste sites around the 
country. Currently the program has 490 sites with construction underway 
and more than 880 sites have final remedy decisions signed. Superfund 
resources are being focused to achieve the maximum number of site 
cleanups to protect as many people as possible from the health effects 
of exposure at Superfund sites.
    The President's request of $48.5 million is consistent with past 
requests. It supports both the basic research program ($25.5 million) 
and the worker safety training ($23.0 million).

                   SUPERFUND FISCAL YEAR 1998 REQUEST

    Question. Senator Chafee has gone on record opposing the increase 
in Superfund spending. Why do you think the increase is appropriate and 
necessary now?
    Answer. Through a progression of events including program 
maturation and administrative reforms to speed up our process, we now 
find ourselves in a situation where more projects are ready to begin 
cleanup than we are able to fund. Our projections indicate that unless 
the Superfund budget is increased, our existing backlog of projects 
awaiting cleanup funds will grow.

                         SUPERFUND SITE CLEANUP

    Question. How many sites are ready for cleanup now that you 
couldn't fund if Superfund were flat-leveled at fiscal year 1997 
funding level?
    Answer. Under the risk-based prioritization of sites, the Agency 
ranked 65 fund lead sites which are, or will be, ready for funding 
during fiscal year 1997. Of this, seven have already been funded and 2-
3 more sites are expected to be funded in priority order. This will 
leave approximately 55 sites unfunded at the end of fiscal year 1997. 
The backlog of sites is expected to continue to grow in future years if 
budgets are maintained at current funding levels. The fiscal year 1998 
budget includes the $650 million needed to address this backlog and to 
accelerate sites to construction completion by the end of calendar year 
2000. If we do not receive these funds, over 100 fund lead sites which 
would have otherwise started their final phase of cleanup will not be 
funded in fiscal year 1998 (the backlog would be expected to grow from 
55 sites to over 100). Additionally, the Superfund program would not be 
able to attain the 250 site completions that the two-year ``900 Sites'' 
investment would fund and most of the 55 ranked projects unfunded at 
the end of fiscal year 1997 would not be completed. Each project start 
and completion not funded represents at least one community not 
protected or risks to public health and the environment not addressed.

                    RESEARCH LAB: EDISON, NEW JERSEY

    Question. I understand that the Administration considered funding 
to build a modern laboratory in Edison, New Jersey to perform critical 
environmental analysis for Region II. As you know, my state has the 
largest number of Superfund sites as well as other serious air, water, 
and waste problems. I feel that it is vitally important that the 
scientists in Region II have modern equipment and facilities with which 
to assess these problems. Do you agree?
    Answer. EPA strongly supports the construction of a modern 
analytical laboratory at the Edison Facility. This project has been, 
and continues to be, a top priority for the Agency and ranks high 
within its master plan.

             LEAKING ABOVE GROUND STORAGE TANKS: REGULATION

    Question. In the conference report which accompanied the VA, HUD, 
and Independent Agencies Appropriations for fiscal year 1997, the 
conferees recognized that leaking above ground storage tanks storing 
petroleum or petroleum products can pose a serious threat not only to 
communities neighboring these tank farms, but also to the ground water 
underneath and surrounding these facilities. Furthermore, the conferees 
expressed their concern that EPA has yet to take substantive action on 
recommendations made by the General Accounting Office in two reports 
regarding the safe regulations of these tanks.
    Ms. Browner, can you please elaborate on what the Environmental 
Protection Agency has done to address the gaps identified in these two 
GAO reports? Specifically, what action has EPA undertaken to enhance 
the regulation of these tanks in the area of secondary containment, 
overfill protection, testing, inspection, compatibility, installation, 
corrosion control, and structural integrity of petroleum tanks in 
excess of 42,000?
    Answer. Part 1. GAO Recommendations. EPA has begun to implement the 
1989 GAO recommendations, and has made great progress on such 
implementation, notably with training activities, but also in all other 
areas. Specifics follow:
    Actions to Strengthen the Inspection Program. EPA has completed its 
survey of approximately 30,000 facilities, has analyzed the results and 
is currently issuing the results of the survey. The information from 
the survey will be used for a number of purposes including assistance 
in targeting high risk facilities for inspections within our existing 
targeting process, and risk-based rulemaking.
    Developing Instructions to Perform and Document Uniform 
Inspections. A workgroup with representatives from EPA Regions and 
Headquarters oil program and compliance offices developed a 
comprehensive Inspector Training course with the goal of achieving 
national consistency in the inspection, documentation, and enforcement 
of the prevention and response requirements of 40 CFR part 112. The 
material developed for the Inspector Training course includes national 
checklists and procedures for documenting inspection results. There are 
checklists for prevention and response requirements that include 
flexibility for regional conditions and various types of regulated 
facilities. The course also includes a national approach to target 
inspections.
    Better Training for Inspectors. EPA Order 3500.1 establishes the 
basic training requirements to ensure that inspectors are properly 
trained to conduct themselves in a safe and professional manner and 
build enforcement cases. The order requires three types of inspector 
training: Occupational Health and Safety Curriculum (OSHA) training 
levels appropriate to hazards encountered; Basic Inspector Curriculum 
for instruction in litigation, entry and information gathering tools, 
evidence, records review for compliance inspections/field 
investigations; and, Program Specific Curriculum with specific training 
in the legal, programmatic, and technical subjects for 40 CFR part 112.
    In addition to the requirements for the hours and courses described 
in the above inspector training, all new inspectors must complete a 
number of facility inspections with a trained inspector prior to 
conducting inspections alone. The number of inspections is related to 
the various types of facility types in a Region and the type of 
inspections being conducted.
    The course has been taught in EPA Region VIII and will be given in 
selected Regions to accommodate attendance by surrounding Regions. 
Depending on funding, EPA plans to conduct three or four Inspector 
Training courses a year until all inspectors are trained and then 
conduct the course on a periodic basis as needed.
    Part 2. The Cooperative Program. In addition, EPA is preparing to 
publish in the Federal Register a proposal to implement an Oil 
Cooperative Program. Instead of a traditional regulatory approach, EPA 
will recommend, as a first step, the initiation of a public process to 
develop a voluntary action or cooperative program, i.e., the Oil 
Cooperative Program. In this program, aboveground storage tank (AST) 
facility owners and operators would take action to implement applicable 
industry standards where no regulations exist to achieve program goals. 
The program goals for companies participating in the Oil Cooperative 
Program include one or more of the following: (1) adopting appropriate 
prevention standards and upgrading equipment as necessary; (2) 
monitoring and/or implementing leak detection to identify new leaks; 
(3) addressing known contamination and implementing steps to minimize 
off-site migration (which may involve appropriate aspects of risk-based 
corrective action); and/or (4) reporting actions underway to address 
contamination to appropriate government agencies. The Agency favors a 
cooperative, rather than a regulatory approach at this time in order to 
provide greater flexibility in addressing contamination at the vast 
range of oil storage facility types, sizes, and locations. A 
cooperative program could focus more directly on facilities that pose 
the greatest threat to public health and the environment.
    Factors that support the development of a cooperative program 
include: (1) the universe of large AST facilities is easily defined and 
represented by several large trade associations; (2) the Cooperative 
Program is consistent with the Agency's goal of developing and 
promoting innovative approaches to achieve environmental goals; (3) 
clear, achievable goals are apparent (i.e., to clean up contamination 
and prevent future release); (4) flexible approaches are available to 
address the problem, thus allowing participants to implement the 
Program in a tailored manner appropriate to their circumstances; (5) 
EPA is committed to providing technical assistance; and (6) there are 
established industry and State practices and standards that can be used 
as a basis for constructing a comprehensive program.
    In keeping with the Agency's initiatives to develop innovative, 
common-sense approaches to environmental problems, a cooperative 
prevention and cleanup program can be an important first step in 
addressing the environmental problem presented by contamination from 
AST facilities. Industry representatives have expressed their support 
for such a program as a more cost-effective, flexible alternative than 
traditional regulation. EPA believes it will be successful, provided 
that it has the full commitment of those involved.
             leaking above ground storage tanks: voluntary
    Question. In EPA's 1996 Report to Congress under section 4113(a) of 
the Oil Pollution Act of 1990, the ``EPA Liner Study,'' EPA recommended 
a voluntary rather than a regulatory program to prevent leaks from 
above ground petroleum storage tanks and their piping. It is my 
understanding the Agency considers this voluntary program an initial 
step toward alleviating the public and environmental risks associated 
with these types of leaks.
    Ms. Browner, what measures will EPA use to assess the success or 
failure of this voluntary program?
    Answer. EPA plans to develop these measures in consultation with 
stakeholders.
    Question. What are the specific goals of the program?
    Answer. The goals for companies participating in the Oil 
Cooperative Program include one or more of the following: (1) adopting 
appropriate prevention standards and upgrading equipment as necessary; 
(2) monitoring and/or implementing leak detection to identify new 
leaks; (3) addressing known contamination and implementing steps to 
minimize off-site migration (which may involve appropriate aspects of 
risk-based corrective action); and/or (4) reporting actions underway to 
address contamination to appropriate government agencies.
    Question. What action will EPA take should the voluntary program 
not achieve its goals?
    Answer. We believe that a cooperative approach is the appropriate 
first step towards addressing potential risks from AST facilities. I 
would also add, however, that while we are very hopeful that a 
voluntary approach will succeed, this approach does not preclude 
development of a regulatory program in the future if warranted. We 
believe that our risk-based cooperative approach is the most 
appropriate course of action at this time because it will allow us to 
gather the information we need to determine if additional measures, 
such as regulation, are necessary. A cooperative approach also comports 
with our overall Agency focus on promoting innovative, common-sense 
approaches to environmental problems through cooperative initiatives 
with regulated industries.
    Question. Finally, what strategies does EPA intend to take to 
prevent leaks from above ground petroleum tank facilities which do not 
participate in the voluntary program?
    Answer. To prevent leaks from facilities that do not participate in 
the Program, EPA will pursue strategies designed to provide incentives 
for those facilities to voluntarily take action to prevent leaks. 
Incentives might include public recognition, technical assistance and 
cost savings, and reduction of liability.
                                 ______
                                 

                 Questions Submitted by Senator Harkin

                OZONE TRANSPORT ASSESSMENT GROUP (OTAG)

    Question. Since its first meeting in May, 1995, Iowa has been a 
member of the Ozone Transport Assessment Group (OTAG). This consortium 
of 37 states, in addition to industries, utilities and 
environmentalists was created to address the difficult problem of ozone 
transport at a regional level. I recognize the difficulty many states 
have in complying with the ozone standards in the 1990 Clean Air Act 
and understand the frustration they face knowing that many of their air 
problems are beyond their control due to pollutants being transported 
from other states. However, I am also concerned that the northwestern 
OTAG states, including Iowa, may be unfairly required to implement 
stricter air pollution controls which would have very little, if any, 
positive effect on nonattainment areas.
    I understand that the Alpine Geophysics model shows that the five 
northwestern OTAG states do not contribute significantly to the ozone 
transport problem. Is that true?
    Answer. EPA intends to base any ``significant contribution'' 
decisions for the OTAG states on a weight-of-evidence analysis of all 
modeling and monitoring information. The Alpine Geophysics model is 
only one piece of information for consideration.
    Based upon all of the technical materials presented to date, 
including the first two rounds of OTAG modeling, on April 16, 1997, EPA 
formally notified the OTAG that our preliminary view of the available 
data do not appear to support the need for additional emission 
reductions for several states. These are Arkansas, Florida, Iowa, 
Kansas, Louisiana, Minnesota, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South 
Dakota, and Texas. Of course, EPA intends to fully evaluate additional 
OTAG information from subsequent modeling runs as well as respond to 
final OTAG control recommendations.

                          OZONE IOWA SPECIFIC

    Question. Do you know of any model, which looks at Iowa as a whole, 
shows the state adding to the ozone transport problem of the eastern 
states?
    Answer. The modeling performed by Alpine Geophysics included Iowa 
``as a whole'' along with four other states. The results indicate 
contributions to ozone in ``downwind'' states of up to 2-3 ppb. To our 
knowledge, there is no modeling that looks at Iowa alone.
                ozone transport federal register notice
    Question. Although the OTAG process will not be completed until 
this summer, the EPA has announced that later this month it will 
publish a notice in the Federal Register notifying states of its 
intention to implement new clean air regulations. Why has EPA decided 
to do this instead of waiting a few extra months for OTAG to complete 
its work? After so much energy, time, and federal money was expended on 
the OTAG process, doesn't it seem appropriate to wait for the group's 
results before issuing new proposed regulations?
    Answer. In an April 16, 1997, letter from Mary Nichols, Assistant 
Administrator for Air and Radiation, to Mary Gade, Chair of Ozone 
Transport Assessment Group (OTAG), EPA announced a revised schedule for 
taking rulemaking action. Based upon the excellent progress that the 
OTAG has made to date, the EPA has decided not to publish a notice this 
spring notifying states of planning deficiencies. Because OTAG's 
schedule for completing their work is consistent with the timeframe for 
the planned EPA actions, EPA believes it makes sense to condense the 
two-step proposal process we had planned into a single notice this 
summer in order to take maximum advantage of OTAG's technical work and 
its deliberations. The states and other stakeholders have been working 
very hard to complete their technical analyses of the impacts of ozone 
transport as well as solutions for mitigation. These analyses are the 
best that have been done in this country.

                         OZONE TRANSPORT STATES

    Question. Requiring ``transport'' states to comply with new 
regulations may also be premature. Under Phase I of the Clean Air Act, 
states with the worst air problems were supposed to establish plans 
determining how they would address their air problems. These states 
have not met this obligation. It is not until Phase II that 
``transport'' states, such as Iowa, were supposed to be discussed. What 
are your thoughts on beginning Phase II before Phase I was completed?
    Answer. The EPA presumes that Phase I and II refer to the steps for 
SIP development described in Agency policy guidance issued on March 7, 
1995. This established an alternative 2-phased process which provided 
ozone nonattainment areas flexibility in the attainment planning 
efforts for the most polluted areas of the Eastern U.S. The policy 
called for the establishment of a collaborative process among States, 
known as Ozone Transport Assessment Group (OTAG), to assess ozone 
transport and develop regional solutions. Under phase I, states were to 
submit rules to ensure that their areas were making progress toward 
attainment. The full attainment plans are due under phase II which is 
currently reaching completion. Thus EPA is not beginning Phase II 
before completing Phase I. The EPA intends to wait on the OTAG 
information and recommendations before taking any action. As previously 
stated, it is questionable whether ``western fringe'' states such as 
Iowa will be involved in any control efforts.

                           OZONE FREE STATES

    Question. Shouldn't states like Iowa and the other ``ozone-free'' 
states be logically exempted from the new clean air guidelines since 
they would not significantly help the eastern states but would under 
the regulation bear a significant regulatory cost?
    Answer. Before making decisions on how best to deal with this major 
air pollution issue, Ozone Transport Assessment Group (OTAG) and the 
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) believe it is important to 
understand and characterize as accurately as possible the extent and 
impact of transported ozone and its precursors throughout the eastern 
United States. The OTAG air quality modeling system provides the most 
complete, scientifically credible tools and data available for the 
assessment of interstate transport. The OTAG modeling domain, which 
includes 37 States and the District of Columbia, was based upon 
technical considerations such as the need to include major emission 
sources that might affect high ozone formation and transport in the 
East. Inclusion of Iowa and the other four States who label themselves 
as ``ozone-free'' States (North Dakota, South Dakota, Minnesota, and 
Nebraska) in this OTAG study region does not automatically mean that 
these States will need to implement additional control measures as part 
of the regional strategy to mitigate ozone transport. Only those States 
that significantly contribute to nonattainment, or interfere with 
maintenance, of the ozone standard downwind will be required to reduce 
emissions.
    In an April 16, 1997 from Mary Nichols, Assistant Administrator for 
Air and Radiation, to Mary Gade, Chair of OTAG, EPA provided its 
preliminary assessment, based on OTAG data and other information, of 
which States will need to make additional reductions in ozone 
precursors in order to reduce regional ozone transport. In regards to 
Iowa, North Dakota, South Dakota, Minnesota, Nebraska, and 6 other 
States, EPA's preliminary view is that the OTAG data do not appear to 
support the need for additional reductions. However, we believe that it 
is necessary to evaluate additional information, and more appropriate 
to wait for final recommendations from OTAG, in order to determine if 
additional emissions reductions will be needed from these States to 
address ozone transport.

                SMALL BUSINESS ENVIRONMENTAL ASSISTANCE

    Question. Small business plays a vital role in our economy, and are 
subject to a multitude of environmental regulations. Small businesses 
have the smallest capacity to comprehend complex rules and to determine 
least cost methods to meet those requirements. EPA is beginning to move 
in the right direction by working to simplify regulations so small 
businesses can better work with them and to providing assistance 
through programs such as each state's Clean Air Act Small Business 
Assistance Programs. However, many additional entities are involved 
such as Small Business Development Centers and NIST Manufacturing 

Extension Programs.
    The Small Business Pollution Prevention Center at the University of 
Northern Iowa has developed ways to work cooperatively with a variety 
of others which try to reduce a pollution generated by small business. 
The center performs a combination of roles such as producing easy to 
understand cook book type guides for specific processes and industries 
targeting those involving a large number of small operators and which 
generate significant wastes such as dry cleaners, printers and vehicle 
maintenance facilities as contemplated in the Small Business Regulatory 
Enforcement and Fairness Act.
    Question. I would appreciate your views on the needs for centers 
such as the one that exists at the Small Business Pollution Prevention 
Center at the University of Northern Iowa and the role that it plays in 
translating EPA requirements into a form understandable to small 
businesses and communicating back to EPA about the difficulty that 
businesses face in meeting specific EPA requirements?
    Answer. The Iowa Center as well as other organizations such as the 
Northeast Waste Management Officials Association, and the Solid and 
Hazardous Waste Education Center at the University of Wisconsin play a 
valuable role in developing state-specific compliance and pollution 
prevention guides that complement the federal compliance guides that 
are being developed by the Office of Compliance. EPA sees such state 
organizations as the appropriate providers of site-specific and/or on-
site assistance to small business. The larger state organizations such 
as Iowa's have also played an important role in developing tools and 
guides that other organizations within a given state and across state-
programs can use. Our goal is to make it easier for state and regional 
centers to supplement plain-language guides and other compliance 
assistance tools for federal rules with similar information on state 
rules.
    In addition, we see an important need for our work to feed and 
encourage cooperation between the broad and growing range of state and 
local service providers such as the state Clean Air Act Section 507 
Small Business Assistance Programs, the Small Business Development 
Centers, the NIST Manufacturing Extension Partnerships, the regulatory 
agencies and the state pollution prevention programs.
    The EPA's Small Business Ombudsman's Office has found the Iowa 
Waste Reduction Center to be very effective in carrying out an outreach 
program to inform and assist small businesses to understand and comply 
with environmental regulatory requirements. The Center not only offers 
advice and information but, if necessary, offers ``hands on'' 
assistance to bring about voluntary compliance. It also promotes and 
advocates pollution prevention policies that help alleviate future 
environmental degradation problems.
    Over the past five years, the Ombudsman has awarded annual ``Peer 
Match'' grants to the University of Northern Iowa for the Waste 
Reduction Center to familiarize other State assistance programs with 
its successful operating procedures. This involved hands-on training at 
the Center in Iowa, as well as, Center personnel traveling to ``Peer 
Match'' States to provide on-site assistance. Our evaluation reports 
indicate that the ``Peer Match'' assistance was most beneficial in 
helping other States develop effective programs.
    In addition, the Agency's Small Business Ombudsman awarded a grant 
to the Waste Reduction Center to develop Environmental Auditing 
Assessment Guidance material for small businesses to use in reviewing 
their environmental compliance requirements. We have been most pleased 
with the professional treatment given to this undertaking. Good, sound, 
self-initiated environmental auditing programs will lead to additional 
voluntary compliance, as well as a greater sensitivity to environmental 
problems and issues.

               SMALL BUSINESS POLLUTION PREVENTION CENTER

    Question. One example of a feedback mechanism relates to the Center 
informing EPA of the difficulty that service stations had in handling 
used oil filters. Happily, EPA changed its rules in this area. These 
seemingly narrow issues are exactly what can both create consternation 
in small business people and add to their cost. Shouldn't EPA be doing 
more to create centers like the one at the University, to strengthen 
those that already exist and to actively seek feedback to find easier 
ways to meet environmental objectives at lower cost?
    Answer. There is an important distinction between the national 
Compliance Assistance Centers program that EPA's Office of Compliance 
is supporting and the state-programs such as the Iowa Waste Reduction 
Center. The Office of Compliance has supported the establishment of 
four national compliance assistance centers for the metal finishing, 
auto service and repair, printing and agriculture sectors. These 
centers are communications-based rather than physical locations and 
serve the entire nation rather than a particular state or region. These 
national Centers provide readily accessible information on federal 
regulatory requirements to small businesses via the Internet and toll-
free numbers. They complement and support programs such as the Iowa 
Waste Reduction Center in two important ways:
  --They complement the on-site and state-specific work that Iowa 
        conducts by providing a place for small businesses to get ``the 
        basics'' on federal regulatory requirement as well as by 
        alerting small business to the additional services of state and 
        local programs; and
  --They support state programs such as Iowa's by providing easy access 
        to sector-specific compliance assistance tools they can use in 
        their own work with small businesses. EPA is expanding its 
        support of national Centers, based on industry demand, to 
        establish Centers for the printed wiring board manufacturing, 
        chemical manufacturing, local government and transportation 
        sectors.
    In addition, EPA has several grant programs that support programs 
like the pollution prevention program at the University of Iowa. These 
include the Pollution Prevention Incentives to States Grants, which has 
been in existence since 1990 as well as some newer efforts.
    The Office of Compliance now uses a portion of the TSCA Enforcement 
Grants funding to support state operation of comprehensive compliance 
monitoring and assistance program on a facility-wide and industry 
sector basis. Most recently, EPA is in the process of distributing 
funding pursuant to Section 215 of SBREFA. Under this project $1 
million will go to the states to develop compliance guides and tools 
that integrate state and federal rules to enhance a small businesses 
understanding of their total regulatory requirements.
          small business compliance assistance center funding
    Question. I am pleased that EPA recently designated a painting and 
coating compliance assistance center at the University of Iowa to work 
on that process which is used by many industries. It was unique in that 
it targeted a process rather than a specific industry. However, don't 
you believe that, given the size of the area involved, additional 
funding would be appropriate, comparable to the industry specific 
compliance assistance centers?
    Answer. We funded a project at the University that would develop 
various tools for technical assistance providers to use in their 
client-relationships with painting facilities. The Office of Compliance 
(OC) has an existing Metal Finishing Resource Center that has been 
expanded to serve the organic coatings side of that industry. This 
Center will work very closely with the University of Iowa and plans to 
assist in the development and distribution of Iowa's products.
    While the Compliance Assistance Centers that OC supports do 
distribute tools for technical assistance providers this is just one of 
their functions. The OC program has supported the development of 
communications-based centers (e.g. via the Internet or toll-free 
numbers) that do several key things:
  --Provide easy access to federal regulations, interpretations and 
        guidance.
  --Distribute compliance tools that can be used directly by small 
        businesses or by those assistance providers that serve small 
        business.
  --Develop process-specific training modules to improve assistance 
        providers understanding of the industries they serve.
  --Enable information exchange among businesses through ``chat rooms'' 
        and ``on-line conferences.''
  --House databases of technologies and pollution prevention ideas.
  --Provide easy access to vendors, state and local assistance 
        providers and other resources for additional compliance 
        assistance.

              POLLUTION PREVENTION AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT

    Question. Pollution Prevention is vital to ensuring the health of 
our nation's citizens, in protecting the environment and in saving 
dollars, especially by avoiding the cost of waste disposal and future 
environmental cleanups. As you know, pollution prevention involves 
reducing, avoiding, or eliminating the use of toxins and the generation 
of hazardous waste and pollution at the point of production itself. The 
best way to avoid harming the environment is to prevent pollution 
before it is created.
    As President Clinton pointed out, the federal government should set 
the example for the rest of the country in applying pollution 
prevention strategies in order to protect our health and the 
environment
    Pollution prevention should be a key element of good government. 
Federal Agencies should find ways of using more environmentally 
friendly products and methods in order to save tax payer dollars. 
Often, with a relatively small investment now, the federal government 
can avoid having to pay far higher costs of cleaning up the environment 
and meeting environmental compliance rules in the future.
    Question. Which federal agencies and facilities have complied with 
the deadlines of Executive Order 12856, which requires each federal 
agency and facility to establish a pollution prevention plan?
    Answer. Executive Order 12856 directs that all Federal agencies 
with facilities meeting any regulatory threshold for reporting under 
EPCRA (``covered facilities'') to develop a strategy for implementation 
of the Executive Order. Seventeen Federal agencies meet the threshold 
provided by Executive Order 12856 and have prepared formal pollution 
prevention strategies. In a document entitled ``Meeting the Challenge: 
A Summary of Federal Agency Pollution Prevention Strategies,'' EPA has 
compiled agency strategies and prepared an overview of each agency's 
commitment to the various provisions of the Executive Order.
    The Executive Order also directs that covered facilities prepare 
pollution prevention plans for implementing agency strategies and 
provisions of the Order at the facility level; these plans were to be 
completed by the end of December 1995. Federal facilities covered by 
the Executive Order are not required to submit their plans to EPA but 
they must be available upon request by the public or EPA. Over 2,400 
Federal facilities meet the threshold for preparation of the plans. The 
Department of Defense (DOD) has directed all DOD facilities to prepare 
those plans, whether or not they are ``covered facilities''. EPA has 
provided extensive training to assist Federal facilities in preparing 
their pollution prevention plans and estimates that a majority of 
facilities required to prepare the plans have done so.
    While there is no provision established by the Order for 
determining compliance, EPA regional staff use compliance inspections 
and other facility visits to request and informally review copies of 
the facility plans.

                    POLLUTION PREVENTION STRATEGIES

    Question. Has EPA found that individual agencies and facilities are 
adequately funding the pollution prevention strategies established by 
these plans?
    Answer. EPA does not track specific funding allocations related to 
implementation of Executive Order 12856.
    As directed by Executive Order 12088, however, EPA reviews agency 
environmental budget requests and has recently amended its FEDPLAN 
guidance on those requests to include projects required to comply with 
the specified deadline requirements of Executive Order 12856 in the 
``Class 1'' category of funding requests. This revision will be 
implemented for fiscal year 1998. These projects are compliance/
enforcement related and the Class 1 designation signifies a vital 
project. The amended guidance will allow facility funding requests for 
projects outlined in agency pollution prevention strategies and 
facility pollution prevention plans to be designated as Class 1 and 
thus receive more favorable consideration during the budget allocation 
process. In addition, EPA's FEDPLAN guidance also allows Class 1 
designations for pollution prevention projects that are necessary to 
bring a facility into compliance or prevent non-compliance in the 
following fiscal year.

               POLLUTION PREVENTION CONGRESSIONAL SUPPORT

    Question. I understand that, at times, implementing pollution 
prevention plans requires a short term cost increase to an agency or 
facility in order to realize longer-term savings in the costs of 
complying with environmental laws and regulations. It is my hope that 
federal agency and facility budget staff will see the fiscal wisdom of 
paying for good pollution prevention practices. In EPA's view, what 
budgeting rules or policies should be established by the Congress or 
the Administration in order to further encourage implementing federal 
pollution prevention plans?
    Answer. While EPA does not have any specific recommendations, our 
experience indicates that those agencies that have been most effective 
in implementing pollution prevention plans and strategies are those 
where agency budget policies include life cycle considerations and 
recognize the economic benefit of pollution prevention as well as the 
ability of pollution prevention projects to meet or exceed the 
requirements set forth in many environmental regulations.
    In addition, within the Executive Branch process, EPA has provided 
comment to the General Services Administration on proposed changes to 
the Federal Acquisition Regulation to meet the requirements of 
Executive Order 12856. Section 3-303(c) of the Executive Order 
recognizes that changes would be necessary to ensure that acquisition 
and procurement goals established in the Order were carried out. Under 
the Executive Order, these changes are expected to be completed in 
fiscal year 1997.

                POLLUTION PREVENTION IMPROVED COMPLIANCE

    Question. I understand that during this Administration, the 
compliance levels for the federal procurement and acquisition rules 
that encourage pollution prevention strategies have improved 
significantly. However, there is still room for further improvement. Is 
EPA devoting adequate resources toward achieving improved compliance? 
What is the level of support? What resources are needed for the coming 
fiscal year?
    Answer. In response to Executive Order 12873 on Federal 
Acquisition, Recycling, and Waste Prevention, EPA proposed guidance for 
federal agencies which establishes a set of principles to help federal 
agencies incorporate environmental preferability into their procurement 
practices. The Environmentally Preferable Products Program (EPP) is 
budgeted in fiscal year 1998 at $677.6 thousand. EPA also has a number 
of pilot projects underway to apply the guidance's principles to 
specific product categories. The pilot projects EPA has initiated focus 
on cleaning products with the General Services Administration and 
building construction and renovation with the Department of Defense. 
The Cleaning Products Pilot Project is a cooperative interagency effort 
which has established a framework for identifying and comparing the 
relevant environmental attributes of cleaning products. The DOD-EPA 
construction and renovation pilot has focused initially on using the 
procurement process to encourage contractors to use environmentally 
preferable products in parking lot construction and will extend to 
integrating environmental considerations into the renovation of the 
Pentagon. Other agencies are beginning pilots which will demonstrate 
how third party certification programs can assist federal agencies in 
assessing environmental preferability.

                          SUBCOMMITTEE RECESS

    Senator Bond. And with that, the subcommittee stands in 
recess until April 22, when we will take testimony from the 
National Science Foundation and OSTP.
    The hearing is recessed.
    [Whereupon, at 12:30 p.m., Tuesday, April 8, the 
subcommittee was recessed, to reconvene subject to the call of 
the Chair.]


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                        TUESDAY, APRIL 22, 1997

                                       U.S. Senate,
           Subcommittee of the Committee on Appropriations,
                                                    Washington, DC.
    The subcommittee met at 9:33 a.m., in room SD-192, Dirksen 
Senate Office Building, Hon. Christopher S. Bond (chairman) 
presiding.
    Present: Senators Bond, Burns, and Mikulski.

                   EXECUTIVE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT

                Office of Science and Technology Policy

STATEMENT OF JOHN GIBBONS, DIRECTOR

                OPENING STATEMENT OF CHRISTOPHER S. BOND

    Senator Bond. Good morning. The hearing comes to order. The 
subcommittee meets today to review the budget request of the 
Office of Science and Technology Policy and the National 
Science Foundation.
    We welcome Dr. John Gibbons, the President's science 
advisor, and Dr. Neal Lane, the Director of the National 
Science Foundation. OSTP's budget request totals $4.932 
million, the same as fiscal year 1997 enacted level. The NSF's 
budget request for fiscal year 1998 is $3.367 billion, a $97 
million or 3-percent increase over enacted fiscal year 1997 
level.
    I am very pleased to be able to convene this hearing today 
on the Office of Science and Technology Policy and the National 
Science Foundation. I do not guess we need to remind you of the 
strong support this subcommittee has provided for the Nation's 
scientific endeavors, certainly under Senator Mikulski's 
leadership as well as in the last couple of years.
    Some of you may have heard that my fellow Missourian Harry 
Truman once commented that he needed a one-handed economist so 
his advisors would not be able to say, but on the other hand.
    Senator Burns. Economists are like that. [Laughter.]
    Senator Bond. You will have your time, Senator Burns, but I 
now have one on you.
    Support for science is where we do not need a one-handed 
economist. Economists generally agree that investment in 
research and development provides a positive return to the 
economy, although they may disagree on exactly how much return, 
or how to measure the rate of return, and we agree with the 
general principles of economists on this one. Research and 
development are good investments, and we will have some 
questions to find out how you are prioritizing those 
investments.
    We know that you Dr. Gibbons and Dr. Lane agree with it. We 
acknowledge and applaud the efforts you have made to 
communicate the wonder and awe that scientific endeavors can 
inspire in the American public, particularly in Americas' young 
people.
    As one who normally drives a car pool with a bunch of high 
school sophomores once a week, I am fascinated that they are 
paying attention to the scientific accomplishments that are 
reported in the news media. We have seen great coverage, this 
morning's television focusing on Hale-Bopp, the Washington Post 
Magazine covering everything from the smallest bacteria to the 
far reaches of the universe, and I think that is exciting and 
very healthy.
    As chair of the subcommittee I have a particular interest 
in exploring the Federal investment in biotechnology, 
particularly as it applies to agricultural sectors, plant 
genetics.
    I think it is imperative to maintain the long-term 
sustainability and competitiveness of U.S. agriculture, and I 
agree with Dr. Gibbons that plant genome research is vital to 
this effort. I know I can count on both OSTP and the National 
Science Foundation to help organize, direct, coordinate, and 
support the efforts that are beginning in this important area.
    And on the other hand, this is another very difficult year 
for this subcommittee. We have human-scale problems, ranging 
from medical care for veterans to housing for low-income 
Americans to relief for victims of disasters, which also 
unfortunately are occupying the headlines in the top of the 
news.
    We are not far enough along in the budget process to have 
an allocation for this subcommittee to know how much money we 
will be dealing with, so it is premature to be able to discuss 
absolute levels of funding that may be available for these 
critical science accounts.
    Our purpose today is to discuss with both of you the 
priorities for this Nation's scientific enterprise and how 
those priorities are reflected in your agency's activities. We 
are particularly interested in the implementation of the 
results act, which requires agencies to think strategically 
about their goals and to measure their performance against 
goals they have set.
    Although we appreciate the difficulty of setting goals in 
basic scientific research, where the goal is to explore the 
unknown, we have to ask that you hold yourselves and that you 
be accountable and responsible to us for how we spend those 
Federal dollars.
    It is a pleasure now to call on my distinguished ranking 
member, Senator Mikulski, for her opening statement. Senator 
Mikulski.

                     STATEMENT OF BARBARA MIKULSKI

    Senator Mikulski. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, and I 
would like to welcome our two witnesses today, Dr. Lane of the 
National Science Foundation, and Dr. Gibbons, the Director of 
the Office of Science Technology Policy for the President.
    Mr. Chairman, I have long been an advocate for Federal 
investments in research and in development, and several years 
ago a report was issued by various councils on competitiveness 
that outlined 13 critical technologies that would be needed in 
the 21st century, the type of work that you have just outlined 
that will be so important for not only agriculture but its 
ultimate impact on the value-added agriculture for people.
    The report noted how we should link our science and our 
engineering to the development of technology, and give us and 
develop manufacturing in this country that would allow us to 
have products to export overseas.
    Everyone knows that for some time I have been concerned 
about how the fact the United States of America wins the Nobel 
Prize, and yet other nations win markets. Therefore, I 
encouraged the National Science Foundation to examine how it 
organized itself and encouraged it to increase funding for 
basic research, always focusing on basic research, but in 
strategic areas, what were the needs of this country to be able 
to develop and move ahead.
    The aim was not to reduce basic research, but to develop a 
navigational chart of strategic areas in which funds could be 
focused. Therefore, in the course of our testimony, I will want 
to know exactly where we have been moving in that particular 
area.
    I want to hear what progress has been made in developing 
national goals to stimulate not only new ideas, but new 
opportunities for economic growth through research and 
development. I want to hear what the agencies are doing to 
encourage public-private partnerships, and how public 
investment is leveraging private sector research and also, 
ultimately, leading to private sector jobs.
    Mr. Chairman, I am not calling for an industrial policy, 
but I am calling for a national set of the focus. I understand 
that the National Science Foundation no longer highlights these 
strategic interests, and I will be interested in knowing how 
they are moving ahead.
    I also understand that Dr. Gibbons in his testimony has 
referred to the gap between university research and private 
sector product development as the valley of death. We want to 
make sure that there is no valley of death between the creating 
of new ideas and new products, but that we really work to have 
a broadbased set of policies that create a canyon of 
opportunity.
    I know I am using agriculture and western metaphors, but I 
will come back to my own Chesapeake Bay one. We need a 
navigational chart to make sure that we go from a clipper ship 
economy to a microchip economy, and I look forward to working 
with you and our colleagues, who I esteem very much in this 
endeavor.
    Thank you.
    Senator Bond. An inspiring metaphor, Senator Mikulski. 
[Laughter.]
    Now we will turn to Senator Burns for equally lofty 
comments.

                       STATEMENT OF CONRAD BURNS

    Senator Burns. Mine will not be lofty, Mr Chairman. In 
fact, the working relationship that we have had both in the 
authorizing committee and in the Appropriations Committee with 
Jack Gibbons and Neal Lane has been one that I think has been a 
very good one. We will probably argue about priorities, but we 
never argue about the need of science and technology and the 
role that the Government plays and the dollars that the 
taxpayers invest in science and technology.
    I am struck by the comment of the ranking member, Ms. 
Mikulski, that we win the Nobel Prizes and other countries get 
the markets. Maybe we better get some scientists in trading. We 
send lousy traders to these negotiations. That is what we have. 
We better get on the street and know how to sell a product and 
know when to make a deal and when not to make a deal, and that 
is where we fall down quite a lot.
    I just want to congratulate Jack and Dr. Lane in our 
working relationship. We want to do that. I would just like for 
my statement to be made part of the record, and I think we 
should hear from them.
    Thank you very much.

                       STATEMENT OF JOHN GIBBONS

    Senator Bond. Now I would like to call forth Dr. John 
Gibbons, Director of the Office of Science and Technology 
Policy and Dr. Neal Lane, Director of the National Science 
Foundation. We would like to ask both of you gentlemen to give 
your statements, and the questions will be directed in many 
instances to one or both of you so we can hear your ideas 
together. So with that, Dr. Gibbons.
    Dr. Gibbons. Thank you, Senator. I am delighted to appear 
before you, Senator. I must say at the outset how much I have 
appreciated the strong support, the bipartisan support of this 
committee over the years with respect to science and technology 
in our Nation's future. There are a lot of discomforting things 
in this job, but your support is a very comforting thing to me.
    As I was preparing for today I was recalling some of the 
events that were transpiring a little over 1 year ago in which 
there were serious talks of draconian cuts in research. There 
was acrimonious debate about the role of Government in our 
Nation's life, especially the public-private cooperation and 
partnerships in science and technology, but I am really 
optimistic that much of this is behind us, that we are slowly 
but surely moving toward reestablishing the more traditional 
broad bipartisan support for science and technology.
    But having said that, I think there are as many struggles 
ahead of us as there are opportunities. We talk about 
opportunities in a report I sent to the Congress about 1 week 
ago. It is a biennial report on the status of science and 
technology. It is a very enthusiastic report because it relates 
the enormous progress we are making, but also the number of 
extraordinary opportunities ahead of us.
    But our central concern still is our fiscal challenge. The 
heaviest pressure of getting our budget balanced is on the 
discretionary part of our national budget, which is only one-
sixth of the total. In that sense, nothing should be immune 
from very close scrutiny. In my view, science and technology 
stands out as one of those proven public investments that is so 
key to our national strength, and so essential to enabling our 
future, that it merits very special nurturing. At the same 
time, it must not escape the same kind of scrutiny that all of 
these programs must receive.
    As you said, Mr. Chairman, we have an extraordinarily well-
proven high rate of return of public investments in research. 
Probably one-half of our economy, our economic growth over the 
last one-half century, is relatable to our research, and it has 
shown up in our national security, our economy and jobs, our 
health, and our environment. All of these directly benefit from 
those investments.
    We are now in our fifth year of moving toward that budget 
balance. At the same time, it is the fifth year in which the 
President has proposed a modest increase in support of our 
research budget. We have budgeted for 1998 an increase in R&D 
of about $1.6 billion over fiscal year 1997, to a total of 
about $75 billion as scored by OMB. This represents about a 3-
percent increase in our civilian R&D activities and a 
significant increase in our fundamental science support within 
the Department of Defense.
    What the budget does is, it boosts basic research, so key 
to our future. It emphasizes peer-reviewed university-based 
research because you get the double hit of training new 
scientists along with the research.
    It gives new support to technologies to benefit the 
revolution in the new information age that we are immersing 
ourselves in. It gives greater support for bringing that same 
kind of information technology to our classrooms, which can so 
greatly profit by having this kind of infusion and newness.
    It puts greater investments in science and technology to 
ensure our continued economic leadership and job creation. It 
gives incentives to lever private sector investments in 
research by providing ways to tease greater private investments 
in this direction.
    It increases environmental research. I was thinking about 
that this morning. With the great floods in the upper Midwest, 
we are now suffering about $1 billion a week from natural 
disasters in the United States. The word natural is getting a 
little unusual, because I think people are getting to be part 
of that so-called natural system.
    It increases our support for health, food, and safety 
research. It sustains support for our civil space program. It 
promotes science and technology for national security, 
especially the long-term support base.
    Balanced against our imperative to balance the budget, I am 
satisfied that we are on target.
    Of course, there are calls for larger increases in the 
budget, and I would be delighted. It makes me very happy to 
hear of these calls, but to turn a phrase, happiness cannot buy 
money. Would I like to see an increase in Federal funding for 
research? You bet I would. So would the President, and so would 
all three of you.
    Would strengthening Federal support for science and 
technology support our economic and other national security 
issues? Of course, but the constraints on Federal research 
funding are driven by that need to balance the budget, and we 
must keep that in mind as we go ahead.
    I would be delighted to argue for increasing research to 
track our national economic growth. Until we find that we can 
secure ourselves fiscally, I think that would be premature 
judgment.
    Finally, in the face of these enduring constraints on our 
funding, we have to find ways to stretch our effectiveness. I 
would say there are three ways before I close. First, increase 
productivity of our Federal agency-sponsored research. We can 
talk about this during the question period, Mr. Chairman. I 
think OSTP's work has been to more closely integrate the work 
of the agencies across these agency boundaries, where you can 
get much greater from the whole than the sum of the parts 
separately, so we are working within the Federal administration 
family.
    The second thing is that we want to strengthen the national 
innovation system, not just the Federal system. The Federal 
system is only about 39 percent of the total national R&D. That 
means encouraging greater private sector investment with tax 
policies, with partnering, strengthening university-Government 
relationships, which are stretched and need work. I will be 
happy to recount some of that for you, increasing our State-
Federal collaboration, and we have a new activity going on now 
with the National Governors' Conference. We are seeking greater 
international cooperation where it makes sense for us, 
especially in very expensive research and in basic research 
where the information is so broadly shared.
    The third area is introducing more effective 
accountability, and you mentioned this earlier this morning, 
Mr. Chairman. We are working hard on the Government Performance 
and Results Act, especially as it relates to research and, of 
course, this can get very difficult, as you pointed out, when 
you are working in basic research. Sometimes you have to wait 
20 years to find out how important it was or was not. 
Nonetheless, we are working hard in that area, because more 
effective accountability on the outcomes measures are really 
important for us.

                           PREPARED STATEMENT

    And finally, Mr. Chairman, as you pointed out, we are 
asking for the same people and dollars in this coming year, 
which we hope the committee will look favorably upon.
    Thank you.
    [The statement follows:]

                 Prepared Statement of John H. Gibbons

    Mr. Chairman, Members of the Committee, I am pleased to appear 
before you today to discuss the Office of Science and Technology 
Policy's (OSTP) budget request for fiscal year 1998.
    As we approach the turn of the century, it seems appropriate to 
take stock of the Nation's science and technology (S&T) enterprise, and 
to look to the opportunities that lie ahead as well as the challenges 
that we face. The Information Age is bringing changes to our society 
that are only beginning to unfold. Already, new communications 
technologies are transforming the way we work, where we work, and what 
we need to know to be successful in tomorrow's competitive environment. 
Five years ago ``Internet'' was still a word known mostly to those in 
S&T. Today, it is the backbone of a new industry and a window to a 
tremendous world of information for all segments of our society, from 
business executives to school children.
    The rapid economic growth of other nations means a future with 
greatly expanded markets for U.S. goods and services. Our ability to 
move our ideas, our goods, and ourselves swiftly to any place on the 
planet, with the help of new technologies, enhances our ability to 
share in the growth of global wealth. The increasing availability of 
these same capabilities throughout the world also means greater 
competition; it means increasing pressures on our shared environment, 
health, and natural resources; and it means more diverse dangers to our 
security from threats such as terrorism and the spread of nuclear and 
other materials of mass destruction.
    The President's key goals for our country include competing 
aggressively in the global market place, preserving our environment and 
managing our Nation's resources in a sustainable manner, safeguarding 
our national security from emerging threats, and maintaining the 
technological innovation that has contributed to our economic 
prosperity and quality of life. Achieving these goals requires a 
sustained commitment to our S&T investments. Therefore, this year, as 
in the previous four, the President has called for increasing our 
national commitment to support S&T.
    Just as we struggle with the increasingly difficult choices that a 
balanced budget requires, we also must focus on the importance of 
sustaining our investment in the future. Funding for S&T, like funding 
for education, is a high-leverage investment in our continued peace and 
prosperity. Support for such investments has traditionally been a 
matter of bipartisan agreement. It is imperative that we build common 
ground in support of a shared vision--a commitment to keep America the 
world's leader in S&T.

               RECENT ADVANCES IN SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY

    Over the past year there have been numerous scientific and 
technological advances, reminding us of how much there is yet to know, 
and of the potential of S&T to further enrich and improve our lives. I 
will mention just a few such recent advances.
  --In December 1996, the U.S. Department of Energy, in cooperation 
        with Intel Corporation, announced the completion of the world's 
        first 1-trillion-calculations-per-second computer--breaking the 
        teraflop goal. This computer was developed as part of the 
        Department's Accelerated Strategic Computing Initiative, which 
        is pioneering technology to ensure the safety and reliability 
        of the U.S. nuclear stockpile. This accomplishment is the 
        culmination of years of effort to reinvent computing, organized 
        within the Federal government as a multiagency consortium 
        called the High Performance Computing and Communications (HPCC) 
        Initiative. Instead of focusing on a single computer processor, 
        which would have been extremely difficult and expensive, the 
        U.S. program resulted in an entirely new computer technology 
        called parallel computing. Parallel computing allows the 
        biggest computers in the world to be assembled from mass-
        produced microprocessors, which were originally developed for 
        use in desktop and home PC's. This new computing power is 
        valuable in a variety of applications, including the simulation 
        of disease progression, the projection of severe weather 
        systems, the mapping of the human genome, the improvement of 
        highway safety, and the development of environmental 
        remediation methods to reclaim polluted lands.
  --Scientists are unraveling the complex interactions that exist 
        between HIV and the human immune system. We now have a much 
        better understanding of how HIV gains entry into cells. NIH-
        supported scientists have discovered two new cell-surface 
        proteins that act as ``cofactors,'' along with the CD4 receptor 
        that assists HIV, in binding and infecting immune cells. This 
        information will be extremely useful in developing new 
        approaches to control AIDS. In addition, the use of powerful 
        triple drug therapies is having a remarkable impact on the 
        number of deaths caused by HIV. Such deaths are down 13 percent 
        from last year, although the number of infected persons in the 
        population remains high.
  --Two NIH-funded groups, using different but related genetic 
        techniques, reported an important advance in neuroscience: 
        employing sophisticated monitoring equipment, researchers were 
        able to detect activity in individual brain cells as the mice 
        investigated their surroundings and created a mental map of 
        their environment. This work provides a window into how human 
        memory functions.
  --A group at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology has succeeded 
        in using a Bose-Einstein condensate (BEC) to make the world's 
        first ``atom laser,'' which fires a narrow beam of coherent 
        ``matter waves'' with about a million atoms per pulse. Coherent 
        beams of atoms could eventually allow much finer measurements 
        and manipulations, such as moving atoms around one by one, or 
        ``writing'' atoms into semiconductors.
  --In a stunning scientific advance that contributes to our 
        fundamental understanding of the origins of life, in August of 
        1996 a team of researchers announced that they had decoded the 
        first complete genetic blueprint of a microorganism from the 
        third major branch of life on earth, a microbe named 
        Methanococcus janaschii. The finding will allow scientists to 
        understand more about the operation and function of the cell, 
        while bringing them closer to understanding the nature of 
        ancestral cells from which life stemmed early in the planet's 
        history. In the years ahead, this gene sequencing achievement 
        holds dramatic prospects for commercial applications in 
        biotechnology, for the development of renewable energy sources, 
        and for cleaning the environment.

               THE NATIONAL RESEARCH INVESTMENT PORTFOLIO

    Overall, the Federal government invests approximately 2.5 percent 
of the Federal budget annually (roughly $75 billion) to generate new 
knowledge, new technologies, and new scientists and engineers. The 
return on investments in S&T as a whole for our Nation has been 
impressive: half of our economic productivity growth in the last fifty 
years is attributable to technological innovation and to the science 
that supported this innovation.
    The Administration's fiscal year 1998 budget supports the cutting-
edge research of the Federal government's mission agencies by 
augmenting stable funding levels with targeted increases that include:
  --A 2.6 percent increase in the National Institutes of Health budget, 
        to fund high-priority research areas such as HIV/AIDS-related 
        illnesses, breast cancer, minority health initiatives, disease 
        prevention, and spinal cord research.
  --A 3 percent increase in the funding of science, engineering, and 
        education R&D at the National Science Foundation.
  --A five-year, 1 billion dollar increase in NASA's space science 
        budget, funding research into the origins of the universe and 
        the possibility of life beyond Earth.
  --An almost 8 percent increase in the basic research budget of the 
        Defense Department.
  --A $1.4 billion appropriation (exclusive of funding for facilities 
        construction) for the Department of Energy's Stockpile 
        Stewardship Program, which supports the research that will 
        allow us to assure the reliability and safety of our nuclear 
        stockpile without resorting to nuclear testing.
  --An almost 5 percent increase in basic science research programs at 
        the Department of Energy.
  --A $289 million increase in funding for university-based research to 
        strengthen the University-Government partnership and a $497 
        million increase in peer reviewed R&D programs.

                    SHAPING THE TWENTY-FIRST CENTURY

    A bipartisan consensus has emerged around the view that we must 
create, not simply a Federal research program, but a truly national S&T 
enterprise--one in which Federal investments stimulate and leverage the 
S&T efforts of state and local governments, of private industry, of 
universities and of our international collaborations. In a tight budget 
environment, these partnerships are essential, and will be a 
cornerstone of our S&T enterprise in the coming years.
    The long-standing Federal partnership with universities has made 
our Nation the world's leading generator of new knowledge and of 
fundamental insights that lead to new industries, breakthrough medical 
therapies, and a more sophisticated defense. We are also placing an 
increased emphasis on partnerships with industry, in which the Federal 
government shares the costs and the risks of advances that promise a 
large benefit to society. An example is the Partnership for a New 
Generation of Vehicles initiative, in which seven federal agencies and 
twenty national laboratories have partnered with the Big Three 
automobile manufacturers in R&D projects aimed at improving auto 
safety, emissions, and fuel efficiency.
    Increasingly, we are also seeing research at the frontier of 
scientific knowledge become more sophisticated and more costly. Federal 
investments in international collaborations have provided an effective 
way in which we not only can share the burden of these expensive 
programs, but we can benefit from the expertise and know-how of the 
others. The International Space Station, the Large Hadron Project at 
CERN, and the Gemini Telescopes in Chile and Hawaii are excellent 
examples of how we can leverage our domestic investments and priorities 
by collaborating with our international partners.
    Other Federal partnerships include grass roots projects that bring 
people and technology together. One such venture, the Technology 
Innovation Challenge Grant Program, has already lead to the creation of 
dozens of partnerships linking school systems with businesses, 
universities, parks, and museums to develop creative uses for 
information technologies. Partnerships such as these extend the 
benefits of our Nation's investment in S&T.

                            THE OSTP MISSION

    In support of our Nation's S&T priorities, OSTP has two primary 
responsibilities: advising the President on S&T; and providing 
leadership and coordination for our government's role in the national 
S&T enterprise.
    In the 1950's, in response to Soviet advances highlighted by the 
launch of Sputnik, President Eisenhower saw the need for expert S&T 
counsel, and he invited MIT President James Killian to serve as the 
head of the first President's Science Advisory Committee, an OSTP 
predecessor. Since then our Nation's Presidents have drawn on the 
expertise of our office for S&T policy advice, and I see this as a 
contribution that will continue to grow in value as the challenges we 
face become increasingly complex.
    Within our agency, a small staff of professionals analyzes 
developments at the frontiers of scientific knowledge, and aids the 
President in shaping policy. OSTP also provides scientific and 
technical information and recommendations to the Vice President, the 
White House Offices, the Executive Branch Agencies, and to Congress.
    A second responsibility of OSTP is to provide leadership and 
coordination across the Administration. OSTP plays this role for a 
range of Administration S&T priorities, including national security and 
global stability, environment, science, and technology. The National 
Science and Technology Council (NSTC) has been an invaluable partner 
with OSTP in developing interagency evaluations and forging consensus 
on many crucial S&T issues.

                NATIONAL SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY COUNCIL

    To meet the Administration's priority S&T goals we must combine the 
efforts and the expertise of multiple agencies. OSTP personnel support 
the work of the NSTC, a Cabinet-level Council that sponsors interagency 
initiatives to advance key S&T objectives. Our distributed system of 
research funding also places a premium on coordination between 
complementary agency programs. The NSTC, now in its fourth year, is 
improving such coordination.
    NSTC membership includes Cabinet Secretaries, heads of S&T 
agencies, and key White House officials with significant S&T 
responsibilities. In the process of generating specific budgetary and 
policy recommendations, the NSTC routinely reaches beyond the federal 
government to seek input from a wide spectrum of stakeholders in the 
public and private sectors.
    An important objective of the NSTC is to guide individual agency 
budget priorities for R&D and to orient the S&T spending of each 
Federal mission agency toward achieving national goals. To meet this 
objective, the NSTC has established nine goal-oriented committees, each 
of which is chaired jointly by a senior agency official and an OSTP 
Associate Director. These standing committees, along with ad hoc 
working groups within the NSTC, provide an effective forum to resolve 
cross-cutting issues such as interagency review of the future role of 
the U.S. national laboratories, or the Federal response to the threat 
of emerging infectious diseases.
    Current interagency S&T initiatives include:
  --The National Bioethics Advisory Commission, a multiagency-supported 
        commission composed of experts and community representatives, 
        established by the President to ensure ethical conduct in human 
        biological and behavioral research.
  --A three-year, $300 million Next Generation Internet Initiative to 
        create the foundation for the networks of the 21st century, by 
        connecting more than 100 of our universities and national labs 
        at speeds that are 100-1,000 times faster than today's 
        Internet--with the capacity for secure, reliable transmission 
        of voice, video, and virtual reality data.
  --A multiagency task force to conduct a comprehensive review of the 
        University-Government partnership. This review will examine 
        which components of the university system may be under stress, 
        and will determine what the U.S. Government role should be in 
        addressing these issues.
  --An Intelligent Transportation Initiative to support traffic control 
        centers that can manage the operation of major roads by 
        providing real-time information that will drastically cut 
        accident rates, produce an estimated 15 percent savings in 
        travel time, and result in significant productivity gains for 
        business and industry.
  --An Emerging Infectious Diseases Initiative to develop more 
        effective systems of surveillance, prevention, treatment, and 
        response to these growing domestic and international health 
        threats.
  --An interagency antiterrorism body, the Technical Support Working 
        Group, to coordinate the development of new technologies to 
        counter the modern terrorist threat.
  --An Environmental Modeling and Research Initiative to allow, for the 
        first time, a comprehensive evaluation of our Nation's 
        environmental resources and its ecological systems, thus 
        producing a sound scientific base to support natural resource 
        assessment and decision-making.
  --A variety of educational technology projects and classroom 
        telecommunications links, funded by major Federal agencies, to 
        reflect the President's unwavering support for improving the 
        educational and training opportunities of the workforce of 
        tomorrow.
  --A multiagency Children's Initiative to assess the current scope of 
        research on children and adolescents, to identify significant 
        gaps in the research agenda, and to develop recommendations for 
        needed efforts and linkage in the research and policy 
        development.
    the president's committee of advisors on science and technology
    As Assistant to the President for Science and Technology, I co-
chair the President's Committee of Advisors on Science and Technology 
(PCAST). John Young, former President and CEO of Hewlett-Packard Co., 
serves as the other co-chair. PCAST is a distinguished assembly of 
scientists, academics, and industrial leaders. It serves as the 
highest-level private sector S&T advisory group for both the President 
and the NSTC. This past year, issues examined by PCAST included the 
health of our research universities, the government's investment role 
in technology, prevention of deadly conflict, University-Government 
partnerships, sustainable development, and the Federal research and 
development role in learning technologies.

                          OSTP BUDGET REQUEST

    I ask today for your continued support of OST's role in 
coordinating S&T policy for the Executive Branch and for our Nation at 
large. OSTP's budget request of $4,932,000 for fiscal year 1998 will 
maintain the ability of our agency to serve both the public and this 
President to the fullest extent. This is the same figure as our request 
for fiscal year 1997.
    Since personnel costs constitute the largest portion of OSTP's 
budget, wherever possible the fiscal year 1998 request reflects a 
reduction of administrative expense in keeping with the 
Administration's goal of creating a leaner, more efficient government. 
The request for fiscal year 1998 reflects our commitment to operate 
cost-effectively while retaining the most vital element of our agency--
our high-caliber personnel.

                          1996 ACCOMPLISHMENTS

    Before concluding, it is appropriate that I take some time to 
provide a sample of OSTP's accomplishments over the past year. (We have 
submitted for the record a document fully summarizing our fiscal year 
1996 accomplishments.) OSTP, working with the NSTC, has been 
instrumental in shaping our Nation's S&T policy; not only as it relates 
to Federal S&T activities, but also to partnerships between the Federal 
government and states, universities, industry, and our international 
colleagues.
    Environment.--OSTP continued its focus on improving the efficiency 
and coordination of on-going agency and interagency environmental R&D 
activities. OSTP fostered an interagency effort, NSTC's Committee on 
Environment and Natural Resources (CENR), to integrate the Nation's 
environmental monitoring and related research. CENR will provide an 
integrated scientific information base to support natural resource 
assessment and decision-making. Many of today's monitoring programs are 
designed with the goal of providing information on single-agency 
missions, and tend to focus on a single source or issue. By integrating 
these monitoring and research activities, the Nation can begin to 
assess the status of resources and their multiple uses in the context 
of entire ecosystems.
    OSTP staff helped develop a strategy for national earthquake loss 
reduction to focus scarce research and development dollars on the most 
effective means of saving lives and property and of limiting the social 
disruptions from earthquakes. This Administration is strongly committed 
to reducing losses from natural disasters by supporting programs for 
observing, documenting, understanding, assessing, and predicting the 
potential consequences of natural hazards.
    Following a series of workshops held across the country with more 
than 1,000 key stakeholders, OSTP hosted a White House Conference to 
discuss ways to implement the National Environmental Technology 
Strategy. The required improved efficiency in our technological 
infrastructure is being achieved through collaboration among industry, 
academia, and communities to develop long-term goals, measure 
performance on multiple scales, and implement complementary policies to 
encourage high levels of innovation. Anticipating future needs is 
critical to achieving successful improvements in efficiency.
    OSTP played a key role in a number of domestic and international 
science assessments. In climate change research, OSTP continued its 
role in coordinating scientific and technical assessments to support 
the U.S. delegation to the Framework Convention on Climate Change. A 
planning framework for Federal research related to the human health and 
ecological effects of endocrine disrupting chemicals was developed and 
an inventory of related on-going Federal research programs was 
completed.
    Technology.--OSTP led the effort to reshape agency research 
programs in information technology through the NSTC Committee on 
Computing, Information, and Communications. This group designed and is 
leading the Next Generation Internet (NGI) initiative, launched in 
October 1996. The NGI initiative is a three year, $300 million 
investment that will create the foundation for the networks of the 21st 
century.
    OSTP continued its active role in the Administration's education 
technology programs. OSTP has provided broad support for the 
President's Technology Initiative, launched in February 1996, which has 
included public/private partnership activities such as NetDays, Tech 
Corps, Cyber Ed, and the Technology Literacy Challenge (TLC). The TLC 
program challenges communities to form local partnerships of school 
systems, colleges, universities, and private businesses, to develop 
creative new ways to use technology for learning. In fiscal year 1997, 
24 finalists were awarded grants to communities in 16 states. An 
interagency team under NSTC, developed a set of research priorities 
which shaped agency R&D funding for education technology.
    OSTP, through both its Technology and its National Security and 
International Affairs divisions, provided technical support for the 
White House Commission on Aviation Safety and Security. OSTP is also 
coordinating the new interagency research program on advanced air 
traffic management, developed in response to the Commission's 
recommendations.
    Other OSTP efforts included: (1) providing continued leadership for 
the Partnership for a New Generation of Vehicle program; (2) developing 
an integrated plan for R&D in transportation and launching a number of 
implementation efforts; (3) initiating a project to streamline and 
coordinate the regulatory permitting of construction projects by 
developing model regulations and standards; and (4) initiating 
cooperative agreements with the Departments of Energy and Agriculture 
to evaluate the near- and long-term potential for biomass to serve as a 
major fuel source for electricity generation and for converting biomass 
fuels for transportation. This effort led to three pilot biomass energy 
projects in 1996.
    OSTP played a leadership role in the broad interagency review and 
revision of the National Space Policy released last September. OSTP has 
ongoing White House oversight responsibility for the International 
Space Station and Space Shuttle programs, national R&D strategies for 
satellite technology, launch vehicle systems in international trade, 
and global communications technologies. OSTP supported the President in 
commissioning an independent review of the Space Shuttle program, which 
reaffirmed the operational safety of the Space Shuttle. OSTP 
coordinated the White House response to the discovery that life may 
have existed on ancient Mars and organized the Vice President's Space 
Science Symposium in December. OSTP worked with OMB to define a stable 
and balanced budget for NASA that continues to support our ongoing 
mission priorities while enhancing our commitment to science. OSTP 
continues to co-chair with the National Economic Council, an 
interagency and international process designed to transform the current 
intergovernmental organizations INTELSAT and INMARSAT into competitive, 
fully-private satellite communication firms.
    Science.--OSTP led the effort to ensure that basic research budgets 
were given high priority in the fiscal year 1998 budget request and in 
the outyears. OSTP also led an effort to follow up on the results of 
the Presidential Decision Directive (PDD) on reforming DOD, DOE, and 
NASA national laboratories. This effort indicated that substantial 
progress has been made in meeting the goals of the PDD, but much 
remains to be done.
    OSTP initiated the first Presidential Early Career Award for 
Scientists and Engineers. This award was given to sixty young 
scientists who have made outstanding scientific contributions and who 
have the leadership potential to keep our Nation on the cutting edge of 
scientific and engineering advancement. OSTP also initiated the first 
Presidential Award for Excellence in Science, Math, and Engineering 
Mentoring, given to ten individuals and to six institutions that have 
demonstrated a high degree of commitment to promoting diversity in the 
S&T community.
    Working with the NSTC, OSTP staff developed the Children's 
Initiative, which addresses the need to better tie Federal actions that 
impact children to sound science. As the Initiative develops it will 
identify research gaps in a variety of areas relating to the health and 
well-being of children and promote tighter linkages to policy making. 
Other accomplishments related to children include the OSTP, DPC, NSF, 
and DoEd collaboration on how to improve the performance of our 
Nation's eighth graders in math.
    The Presidential Advisory Committee on Gulf War Veterans' 
Illnesses, for which OSTP had White House responsibility, released to 
the President its final report that evaluated a number of potential 
causes for illnesses reported by Gulf War veterans, and contained 
numerous recommendations on how we can improve the treatment of these 
veterans and how we can prevent similar problems in future conflicts. 
An interagency response to the Committee's report was delivered to the 
President on March 7, 1997. OSTP also launched the National Bioethics 
Advisory Commission and was instrumental in arranging for appropriate 
levels of funding. The Commission was recently charged by the President 
to address the legal and ethical issues associated with cloning human 
embryos.
    National Security and International Affairs.--OSTP coordinates, in 
conjunction with the National Security Council, both the national and 
international aspects of U.S. efforts to dispose of worldwide stocks of 
excess weapons-grade plutonium. OSTP played a key role in the 
successful October 1996 conference of experts on plutonium disposition 
that was called for by the April 1996 Nuclear Safety and Security 
Summit. OSTP co-chairs a joint U.S.-Russian Plutonium Disposition 
Steering Committee, which oversees the government-to-government 
collaboration in this area and delivered the first-ever joint study of 
plutonium disposition options last September. This committee continues 
to meet and to coordinate both studies and demonstration projects.
    OSTP provided technical analyses and advice to the White House 
during negotiation of the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (CTBT), and 
OSTP has led the interagency effort to ensure that existing U.S.-
operated global seismic networks will be adequately supported to 
fulfill the international CTBT verification mission assigned to them 
under the Treaty. More generally, OSTP has provided important S&T 
policy perspectives in a variety of key national security areas 
including aviation security, critical infrastructure protection, the 
banning of antipersonnel landmines, counterterrorism, information 
warfare, and ballistic missile defenses.
    To more effectively address the growing global threat of emerging 
and reemerging infectious diseases, at the President's direction OSTP 
took the lead in forming an interagency task force to address this 
issue. The Task Force has initiated activities to strengthen disease 
surveillance, prevention, and response, including the development of a 
global disease surveillance network.
    OSTP has worked successfully to expand U.S. S&T relationships with 
important trading partners and economies in transition to strengthen 
benefits to our national security, economic, and scientific goals. 
Through the Gore-Chernomyrdin Commission OSTP played a lead role in the 
effort to develop guidelines for intellectual property rights 
protection for government agreements and contracts with Russia, to 
reach agreement on a plan to promote the use of the Internet in Russia, 
and to build support for the U.S. Civilian Research and Development 
Foundation for the Independent States Forum of the Former Soviet Union. 
OSTP has also supported international S&T efforts to address policy 
priorities through other high level bilateral commissions with South 
Africa and Egypt, and through the evolving Sustainable Development 
Forum with China. S&T partnerships have been strengthened with Japan, 
such as in the creation of an Earthquake Disaster Mitigation 
Partnership, and OSTP is participating in negotiations over an S&T 
agreement with the European Union.
    OSTP has also taken the U.S. Government lead in several 
multilateral fora as a way to promote U.S. interests and maximize the 
value of U.S. S&T investments. OSTP worked closely with the technical 
agencies and OMB to coordinate the U.S. Government's negotiating 
position on such international projects as the Large Hadron Collider, 
the Human Frontier Science Program, and the International Thermonuclear 
Experimental Reactor. OSTP promoted the creation of a follow-on 
mechanism to the OECD Megascience Forum. In Asia, OSTP led U.S. 
participation in the APEC Science and Technology Ministerial, and in 
Latin America, OSTP had a lead in organizing the first-ever meeting of 
S&T Ministers. Both fora have launched S&T initiatives that are useful 
in promoting U.S. S&T interests in these regions.
    Mr. Chairman and Members of the Committee, I hope that this brief 
overview has conveyed to you the extent of this Administration's 
commitment to advancing S&T in the national interest, and the 
importance of OSTP's role in the national S&T enterprise.
    Regardless of party affiliation, we can all agree that investments 
in S&T are investments in our Nation's future. I look forward to 
achieving bipartisan support for a national S&T strategy that will 
combine the resources of industry, academia, non-profit organizations, 
and all levels of government to advance knowledge, promote education, 
strengthen institutions, and develop human potential.
    I ask not only for your support for OSTP's fiscal year 1998 budget 
request but also want you to know how much I appreciate the long-
standing bipartisan support of the committee for OSTP and for the S&T 
research enterprise. I would be happy to answer any questions that you 
have.
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    Appendix A. Reports Issued By The NSTC During Calendar Year 1996
    1. Interagency Assessment of Potential Health Risks Associated with 
Oxygenated Gasoline, NSTC Committee on Environment and Natural 
Resources, February 1996.
    2. Meeting the Challenge (A Research Agenda for America's Health, 
Safety, and Food), NSTC Committee on Health, Safety, and Food, February 
1996.
    3. United States Antarctic Program, NSTC Committee on Fundamental 
Science, April 1996.
    4. Strategy for National Earthquake Loss Reduction, NSTC Committee 
on Environment and Natural Resources, April 1996.
    5. NSTC Accomplishments B Calendar Year 1995, NSTC Executive 
Secretariat, May 1996.
    6. Human-Centered Transportation Systems Brochure, NSTC Committee 
on Transportation, May 1996.
    7. Assessing Fundamental Science Report, NSTC Committee on 
Fundamental Science, July 1996.
    8. Program Guide to Federally-Funded Environment and Natural 
Resources, NSTC Committee on Environment and Natural Resources, June 
1996.
    9. Environmental Technologies Testing and Demonstration Sites: A 
federal Directory, NSTC Committee on Environment and Natural Resources, 
September 1996.
    10. Our Changing Planet: The fiscal year 1997 U.S. Global Change 
Research Program, NSTC Committee on Environment and Natural Resources, 
September 1996.
    11. Committee on Environment and Natural Resources Brochure, NSTC 
Committee on Environment and Natural Resources, September 1996.
    12. The Federal Research and Development Program in Materials 
Science and Technology, NSTC Committee on Technological Innovation, 
November 1996.
    13.High Performance Computing and Communications (HPCC) Advancing 
The Frontiers of Information Technology, NSTC Committee on Computing, 
Information, and Communications, November 1996.
    14. The Health and Ecological Effects of Endocrine Disrupting 
Chemicals: A Framework for Planning, NSTC Committee on Environment and 
Natural Resources, November 1996.
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     Appendix B. Reports Issued By PCAST During The First Clinton 
                             Administration
    Report of the PCAST Panel on U.S.-Russian Cooperation to Protect, 
Control, and Account for Weapons-Useable Nuclear Materials (May 1995).
    The U.S. Program of Fusion Energy Research and Development (July 
1995).
    Science and Technology Principles (September 1995), Report to the 
President on Academic Health Centers (November 1995).
    Principles of the U.S. Government's Investment Role in Technology 
(June 1996).
    Report on Research Universities (June 1996).
     Report on Preventing Deadly Conflict (November 1996).
    Report on Sustainable Development (January 1997).

                     ADDITIONAL COMMITTEE QUESTIONS

    [The following questions were not asked at the hearing, but 
were submitted to the Office for response subsequent to the 
hearing:]

                  Questions Submitted by Senator Bond

                     RESULTS OUT VERSUS DOLLARS IN

    Question. As you know, we in Congress are very interested in the 
Government Performance and Results Act, which we've shortened to ``the 
Results Act.'' Given the focus of the Results Act, it might be more 
important to look at what is coming out of the federal investments in 
R&D in terms of results, and not just at the dollars going into the 
program. The Council on Competitiveness recently issued a report 
entitled ``Endless Frontier, Limited Resources,'' setting scientific 
priorities and defining a more realistic, pragmatic framework for 
allocating federal resources. In recent years, the National Academy of 
Sciences has also issued several reports which require setting 
priorities with the federal science and technology budget.
    What role does the Office of Science and Technology Policy play in 
setting national scientific priorities? Is OSTP involved in developing 
guidance to R&D agencies on how to measure for results and the setting 
of appropriate outcomes for R&D programs?
    Answer. The Office of Science and Technology Policy (OSTP) plays 
both a leadership and a coordination role in setting national 
scientific priorities and in mobilizing scientific expertise to 
accomplish national goals. OSTP advises the President of the United 
States on policy and budget formulation in matters in which science and 
technology are important elements. OSTP also coordinates the 
development and implementation of the Administration's domestic and 
international science, research, and technology policies, programs, and 
budgets in support of the President's goals for strengthening the 
economy and creating jobs, improving education and health care, 
enhancing the quality of the environment, harnessing information 
technology, and maintaining national security. More information about 
national scientific priorities and OSTP's role in both setting and 
communicating them can be found in Science in the National Interest 
(1994), Building a Scientific Basis to Ensure the Vitality and 
Productivity of U.S. Ecosystems (1995), National Security Science and 
Technology Strategy (1995), Technology in the National Interest (1996), 
and Meeting the Challenge: A Research Agenda for America's Health, 
Safety, and Food (1996). The Administration's biennial report to the 
Congress: Science and Technology Shaping the Twenty-First Century 
(1997) provides a comprehensive overview of the substance and process 
of OSTP's role in guiding the development of science and technology 
policy.
    OSTP is involved in developing guidance for R&D agencies and is 
working with them in partnership with the Office of Management and 
Budget (OMB) on the important tasks of strategic planning, goal 
setting, and creating performance plans with meaningful, reasonable, 
and measurable target outcomes. Recognizing both the importance and the 
challenge of designing a planning and assessment methodology for 
fundamental science that would satisfy the requirements of the Results 
Act (1993), OSTP took the initiative in 1994 to conceive and initiate 
the Assessment Process under the auspices of the National Science and 
Technology Council (NSTC). The NSTC Assessment Process involved senior 
scientific managers from ten major R&D agencies, OMB, and OSTP and was 
charged to establish a framework for implementing Results Act 
requirements in assessing fundamental science programs. The report, 
``Assessing Fundamental Science,'' was published in 1996, and provides 
guidance to R&D agencies for their development of strategic and 
performance plans. The report also provides a set of principles for use 
by these agencies for designing and testing a range of methods 
appropriate to their particular goals and programs. In partnership with 
OMB, OSTP is now working with the individual R&D agencies to develop 
and fine tune their strategic and performance plans and to ensure that 
they are responsive to the requirements of the Results Act. These plans 
should be useful as management tools for the agency and the 
Administration, and should promote scientific excellence, high 
productivity, and accountability to the taxpayer, without creating an 
unreasonable and costly bureaucracy that detracts from program 
outcomes.

       ROLE OF THE NATIONAL SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY COUNCIL (NSTC)

    Question. Two years ago, we asked you what role the NSTC played in 
the formulation of the President's fiscal year 1996 budget. You said 
that NSTC committees had compiled the ``lessons learned'' from that 
process, and were streamlining the process for fiscal year 1997. Could 
you please update us on the progress of the ``lessons learned?'' What 
was NSTC's role in developing the fiscal year 1998 budget? What grade 
would you give the NSTC in fiscal year 1997? In fiscal year 1996?
    What other role does the NSTC play, in addition to its role in 
developing the President's budget request? How have the NSTC roles 
evolved over time?
    Answer. The President established the NSTC in 1993 to coordinate 
the diverse parts of the federal research and development (R&D) 
enterprise and to foster synergy among the varied talents of the 
federal science and technology (S&T) workforce. This coordination 
includes the federal R&D budget, as well as S&T policy making. In 
November 1996, the NSTC completed its third year of operation and moved 
from the identification of strategic goals, as defined in the 1995 NSTC 
committees' strategic plans, to implementation of specific initiatives 
that redirect the federal government's investments in S&T toward 
fundamental national goals, while streamlining government and saving 
taxpayers' dollars.
    At the beginning of the Clinton Administration, the President 
committed to integrating agency R&D budgets to ensure that the nation's 
S&T investments serve broad national goals as well as agency missions. 
This is the most important budget issue addressed by the NSTC. Starting 
with the fiscal year 1996 budget, the NSTC has been using a process 
designed to improve the way priorities are set in federal R&D 
expenditures. This process starts in the spring each year with R&D 
budget guidance to the NSTC departments and agencies, issued jointly by 
the Directors of the Office of Science and Technology Policy (OSTP) and 
the Office of Management and Budget (OMB). This guidance is developed 
through the NSTC process, a mechanism for building consensus throughout 
the federal S&T enterprise, and reflects the President's budget message 
for that year. The NSTC departments and agencies are instructed to 
examine their base programs carefully and focus and/or redirect funds 
into the identified R&D priority areas within the budget constraints 
provided from OMB.
    Following the initial joint OSTP/OMB R&D budget guidance, issued 
for the fiscal year 1996 budget, feedback was solicited and received 
from the nine NSTC committees (which represent all NSTC member 
departments and agencies) on how to improve the process in preparation 
for the fiscal year 1997 budget guidance. This feedback mechanism or 
``lessons learned'' is used each year to continuously streamline the 
R&D budget priority setting process and make it more useful for the 
NSTC departments and agencies. The joint OSTP/OMB budget guidance 
memorandum for fiscal year 1999 reflects three years of evolution in 
the S&T priority setting process through the NSTC.
    For fiscal years 1996, 1997 and 1998, the NSTC R&D budget guidance 
process resulted in positive outcomes for the overall S&T budgets by 
concentrating federal spending on critical national priorities. Each 
year, by the time the agency budgets were submitted to OMB in the fall, 
agencies had already made trade-offs by eliminating programs that did 
not correspond to the priority areas identified in the OSTP/OMB R&D 
budget guidance.
    In addition to the NSTC's role in developing the President's R&D 
budget request, the NSTC effectively provides a venue for developing 
interagency consensus on major S&T policy decisions. The NSTC review 
process ensures that all agencies impacted by a decision are afforded 
an opportunity to provide thoughtful input. The NSTC Presidential 
Decision Directive (PDD) is one mechanism used to implement major 
policy decisions, often having budgetary implications.
    Examples of recent NSTC accomplishments include:
  --National Bioethics Advisory Commission.--To address bioethical 
        issues arising from research on human biology, the President 
        appointed 18 non-government experts to serve on the National 
        Bioethics Advisory Commission (NBAC) under the auspices of the 
        NSTC. The NBAC charter was signed by the Assistant to the 
        President for Science and Technology in June 1996 and NBAC met 
        for the first time in October 1996. NBAC recently advised the 
        President on appropriate policy regarding cloning research 
        results announced in February 1997.
  --United States Antarctic Program.--The NSTC conducted a review of 
        the United States Antarctic Program, concluding that the 
        science performed under that program was of high quality and 
        high interest and should be maintained within funding 
        constraints.
  --U.S. Research Universities.--In response to communications to the 
        President from the President's Committee of Advisors on Science 
        and Technology (PCAST) and other national, political, 
        corporate, and educational leaders emphasizing that the 
        nation's university research system was going through a period 
        of stress, Dr. John H. Gibbons issued a Presidential Review 
        Directive to evaluate the need to revisit federal policies 
        concerning the capacity of U.S. universities to meet the 
        nation's research and educational requirements of the next 
        century. The resulting NSTC review will be completed in Fall 
        1997.
  --Federal Laboratory System.--During the summer 1996, OSTP assessed 
        each agency's response to the Federal Laboratory Reform 
        Presidential Decision Directive (PDD). The review confirmed 
        that the agencies are making progress in meeting the PDD goals, 
        however, much still needs to be done to be fully responsive. 
        Opportunities exist to advance the goals of the PDD through 
        simplified directives and better use of federal personnel rules 
        and other regulations.
  --Education.--The NSTC established and presented awards through two 
        new programs: (1) Presidential Awards for Excellence in 
        Science, Mathematics, and Engineering Mentoring; and (2) 
        Presidential Early Career Awards for Scientists and Engineers 
        (PECASE). The Presidential Awards for Excellence in Science, 
        Mathematics, and Engineering Mentoring program was established 
        in 1996 as one strategy to achieve the goal of developing a 
        pool of highly trained scientists and engineers that reflects 
        the nation's diverse population. President Clinton named 10 
        individual and six institutions as the first recipients of this 
        award in September 1996. The PECASE award recognizes 
        demonstrated excellence and promise of future success in 
        scientific or engineering research, and the potential for 
        eventual leadership of the recipients in their respective 
        fields. In December 1996, the President selected 60 individuals 
        to receive the first annual PECASE awards.
      The work of the NSTC has also supported the President's 
        Educational Technology Initiative, launched in February 1996, 
        and has included public/private partnership activities such as 
        NetDays, Tech Corps, and America's Technology Literacy 
        Challenge.
  --Dual-Use Technologies.--To address civil, military, scientific, and 
        commercial interests, Presidential Decision Directives were 
        issued for National Space Policy (PDD NSTC-8) and the Global 
        Positioning System (PDD NSTC-6).
  --Children's Research.--The NSTC developed a policy statement on 
        children's issues, ``A National Research Initiative for 
        Children for the 21st Century,'' that examines the federal 
        research agenda on the biological, cognitive, and social 
        development of America's children and adolescents.
  --Environmental Quality.--The NSTC fostered the development of 
        partnerships between the federal government and non-federal 
        researchers working toward improving environmental quality by 
        making information available to the public on: (1) federal 
        environmental testing and demonstration sites; and (2) 
        federally-funded environment and natural resources R&D.
  --High-Performance Computing, and Communications (HPCC) Advisory 
        Committee.--On February 11, 1997, the President signed the 
        Executive Order establishing the Advisory Committee on High-
        Performance Computing, and Communications (HPCC), Information 
        Technology, and the Next Generation Internet. This Advisory 
        Committee will provide guidance and advice on all areas of 
        advanced computing, communications and information 
        technologies. The Committee has already completed an initial 
        review of plans for the Administration's Next Generation 
        Internet Initiative (NGI) and concluded the NGI is essential to 
        sustaining U.S. technological and commercial leadership in 
        computing and communications. Members bring together a broad 
        range of expertise and interests from business and 
        universities.
  --Emerging Infectious Diseases.--In response to an NSTC study, Vice 
        President Gore announced a Presidential Decision Directive 
        directing the federal government to strengthen the United 
        States' ability to respond to the growing threat of emerging 
        and re-emerging infectious diseases. This NSTC has begun a 
        tracking process of our investments in this important field of 
        research. We are now able to look across agencies and 
        understand what the federal R&D effort includes.
  --Partnerships.--The NSTC also fosters collaborations between 
        industry, academia, and federal, state and local governments.
    --The Partnership for a New Generation of Vehicles (PNGV).--Each of 
            the Big Three U.S. automakers--Ford, Chrysler, and General 
            Motors, working with small and medium sized suppliers and 
            leveraging collaborative research with government 
            agencies--produced a PNGV concept vehicle demonstrating 
            different ``Supercar'' possibilities. The partnership 
            includes research on: (1) manufacturing productivity 
            improvement; (2) near-term improvement in fuel efficiency 
            and emission reduction; and (3) development of a production 
            prototype by the year 2010 that can achieve three times the 
            fuel efficiency of today's vehicles with comparable cost 
            and performance.
    --National Electronics Manufacturing Initiative (NEMI).--The NSTC 
            undertook an initiative with the American Electronics 
            Association (AEA) to develop a research partnership with 
            the nation's electronics manufacturing industry. This 
            effort came to fruition on March 13, 1996, with the 
            announcement of National Electronics Manufacturing 
            Initiative, Incorporated (NEMI), a consortium created to 
            ensure the sustained growth and competitiveness of 
            electronics manufacturing in the U.S. NEMI is an industry-
            funded, industry-led, private-public partnership that 
            brings together the largest electronic equipment 
            manufacturers in the U.S. and their key suppliers with 
            government agencies to foster development of the world's 
            best electronics manufacturing supply chain. NEMI is a 
            prime example of the NSTC providing an initial federal 
            government impetus to stimulate collaboration and growth of 
            a non-government activity.
    --Building and Construction.--In the area of construction and 
            building, progress was made toward streamlining and 
            coordinating regulatory permitting of construction 
            projects, as well as meeting the National Construction 
            Goals and supporting the Department of Housing and Urban 
            Developments' National Home Ownership Strategy.
    --United States Innovation Partnership (USIP).--To enhance the 
            technology partnerships between the federal and state 
            governments, the United States Innovation Partnership 
            (USIP) was established. A Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) 
            between OSTP, the Department of Commerce (DOC), and the 
            National Governors Association (NGA), outlining policies 
            and procedures for USIP, has been approved by all parties. 
            There are plans for the MOU to be signed the week of June 
            23 in the home states of the NGA lead-Governors on 
            technology, Governor John Rowland, Connecticut, and 
            Governor Paris Glendening, Maryland. The NGA and DOC issued 
            solicitations for state and federal participants in Task 
            Forces for initial USIP projects. A federal agency or 
            department head and a governor will be sought to act as 
            champions for selected projects.
    The NSTC developed several major science and technology policies 
that drive the activities of several NSTC committees and have led to 
some of the accomplishments listed above.
  --Technology in the National Interest (July 1996) outlines the rich 
        portfolio of policies and programs being carried out by 
        departments and agencies across the federal government to 
        ensure that technology remains the key driver of the nation's 
        economic growth, leading to creation of high-wage jobs in the 
        U.S. and an improved standard of living and quality of life for 
        the American people.
  --Meeting the Challenge (February 1996) laid out the following five 
        initiatives: (1) establish the Presidential Early Career 
        Scientist Award; (2) strengthen domestic health, safety, and 
        food data systems; (3) strengthen the integrated, 
        multidisciplinary human nutrition research initiative; (4) 
        develop an integrated research agenda to develop technologies 
        to assure the safety and quality of food for consumers; and (5) 
        develop methods for assessing exposures and other factors 
        influencing health.
  --National Security Science and Technology Strategy (September 1995) 
        was the nation's first national security S&T strategy document 
        to describe how U.S. investments and international cooperation 
        in S&T support the full range of U.S. national security 
        objectives. This report offers a policy context for a rigorous 
        defense of Clinton Administration initiatives, including the 
        Cooperative Threat Reduction (Nunn-Lugar) Program, the Advanced 
        Technology Program, and economic development programs aimed at 
        mitigating or addressing the problems of endemic poverty, 
        overpopulation, food scarcity, infectious diseases and 
        environmental degradation. This report focuses on the 
        importance of investments in support of military superiority, 
        verifiable arms control, sustainable development abroad, and 
        economic performance at home.
  --Preparing for the Future Through Science and Technology, An Agenda 
        for Environmental and Natural Resources Research (March 1995) 
        is a multidisciplinary environmental strategy that provides the 
        scientific and technical information needed for national and 
        international policy formulation and to assure the most 
        efficient use of scarce research and development resources. 
        This strategy was developed by the NSTC, with assistance from 
        stakeholders from academia, industry, and state and local 
        governments.
  --Science in the National Interest (August 1994) is the 
        Administration's statement on science policy released by the 
        Vice-President. The first such statement in 15 years, this 
        document presents policy objectives for the Nation's research 
        enterprise. It is the product of extensive NSTC consultation, 
        combined with the input received at the forum held on January 
        31-February 1, 1994.
    The Clinton Administration considers science and technology an 
important investment for America's future. Our nation relies on federal 
investments in science and technology to contribute to: the growth of 
our economy; the health of our citizens; the sustainability of our 
environment and natural resources; the United States' leadership in 
critical world markets; the education of our children; the ensuring of 
our national security; and the addressing of global problems through 
cooperation with other countries.
    Since its establishment, the NSTC has served a vital role in 
identifying and prioritizing how federal investments in science and 
technology can be wisely applied toward addressing our nation's 
critical needs, in the context of balancing the budget. The NSTC has 
made considerable progress in helping federal research and development 
organizations evolve from an autonomous, fiscally expansive environment 
to a collaborative fiscally constrained one. There is still much 
progress to be made, however, in integrating our federal R&D efforts to 
face the challenges in the areas of education, transportation systems, 
energy resources, human health, national security, and the environment. 
Working through the NSTC will become even more compelling as the 
players are more comfortable with change, as innovators recognize the 
untapped opportunities, and the federal research and development 
enterprise is guided toward a unified set of goals.
     federal investments in producing new scientists and engineers
    Question. In 1993, there were about 2.5 million people in the U S. 
with graduate degrees in science or engineering. In addition, there 
were about 330,000 science and engineering graduate students. Over 70 
percent of the scientists and engineers with Ph.D.'s were working in 
science and engineering, in their own or a closely related field.
    Yet, there are repeated complaints from young scientists that their 
opportunities for a career in science are abysmal. In my own state of 
Missouri, at least one university has tried to address this problem. 
Washington University in St. Louis has recently chosen to scale back 
the number of students to those the university can provide full 
financial support for six years, rather than producing as many students 
as they can.
    What should the federal government's role be in assisting the 
development of the next generation of scientists and engineers? Are we 
overproducing scientist and engineers? Are we producing the right kind 
of scientists and engineers?
    Answer. For forty years since enactment of the National Defense 
Education Act of 1958, the federal government has played a role in the 
support of graduate students seeking a career in science or 
engineering. Through fellowships, traineeships, and research 
assistantships, students gain experience and become professionally 
socialized as team members and apprentice researchers. But the 
Committee's question about graduate degrees is integrally related to an 
even larger issue: the health of research institutions and the strength 
of the government-university partnership. The President has received 
letters from national, political, corporate and education leaders 
warning that universities are stressed in a number of ways, and urging 
a policy and administrative review of the government-university 
partnership. The President's Council of Advisors on Science and 
Technology also urged such a review. Accordingly, I have established an 
interagency Task Force under the auspices of the NSTC to review the 
status of the federal government-university partnership and recommend 
options for strengthening it. The Committee's question regarding the 
number of Ph.D.'s produced through this partnership is central to the 
issues being addressed by the Task Force: the policies, programs, and 
regulations that shape the partnership, the education of graduate 
students, and research administration. In addition, the Task Force will 
consider mechanisms that can help sustain the strong U.S. tradition of 
innovative research, even under current budgetary and other 
constraints. How we utilize new Ph.D.'s is an important element of 
whether or not we continue to get new ideas into the system.
    The Task Force's work constitutes a first step in a multi-step 
process. In this first phase, expected to be completed this fall, the 
Task Force will recommend actions to the NSTC through its Committee on 
Fundamental Science. Follow-on activities will also be identified at 
that time. The Task Force is chaired by the Acting Associate Director 
for OSTP's Science Division, and is composed of representatives from 
the six major research funding agencies: DOD, DOE, NASA, NIH, NSF, and 
USDA. Both OMB and the National Performance Review are also 
represented. RAND's Critical Technologies Institute, the Federal 
Demonstration Partnership, and the NAS Government-University-Industry 
Research Roundtable are providing crucial assistance and insight based 
on their extensive experience in this area.
    I would like to address one special concern I have about the impact 
of depressed demand for science and engineering Ph.D.'s, and that is 
the continued and persistent under representation of women, persons of 
color, and persons with disabilities in the science and engineering 
workforce. With market opportunities sluggish in the 1990's, new 
Ph.D.'s have experienced unprecedented under-employment rates in 
mathematics and strikingly high rates in physics and chemistry. In 
general, there are fewer positions to be found in research 
universities. But students recruited from traditionally under 
represented categories receive less financial support, experience 
higher attrition at each succeeding educational stage, and complete 
proportionately fewer degrees relative to their number in the pool. And 
those who do earn the Ph.D. still face lesser career prospects in terms 
of full-time employment, tenure-track status, promotion to full 
professor, etc.
    So at a time of constrained opportunity for all, diversity suffers. 
At present, the student pool is becoming more ethnically diverse with 
foreign citizens earning a majority of the doctoral degrees from U.S. 
institutions in some science and engineering disciplines. There is the 
perception and perhaps the reality--that science and engineering are 
not rewarding career choices for U.S. students. We must be concerned 
about what this means not only in terms of individual career choices, 
but about what it means for the future of the nation. We must therefore 
consider the impact of federal policies and graduate support mechanisms 
on the future vitality of our nation's scientific enterprise and 
economic competitiveness.
       international cooperation versus international competition
    Question. One of the key R&D goals of the Administration is to 
``maintain world leadership in science, engineering, and mathematics.'' 
Yet another important strategy of the Administration seems to be 
involving our sometimes competitors as international partners. How do 
you perceive the difference between international cooperation and 
international competition?
    More specifically, there have been reports that Japan intends to 
increase their investments in R&D, particularly at colleges and 
universities, by a substantial amount. Some seem to see that increase 
as a threat, and others see it as an opportunity. What is your view?
    Answer. International cooperation and international competition are 
both important drivers of innovation. Embracing the benefits of both is 
essential to advancing U.S. science and technology policies. In many 
parts of the globe today, a clear rise in sources of innovation in 
science and technology creates expanded opportunities to leverage 
international cooperation and international competition to benefit our 
society and our economy.
    Cooperation among nations is becoming more essential to our goals 
in science and technology for several reasons, including: (1) a growing 
number of the challenges that we face are regional or global and 
require an international solution; (2) the scale of resources needed to 
tackle priority issues stretch the capability of support by any one 
nation, but can be addressed through cooperation; and (3) finding 
solutions to problems of common concern can be accelerated. For 
example, cooperation among nations in environmental research is 
expanding rapidly and has been essential in deciphering climate changes 
and other complex interactions in our planet's system; understanding 
the fundamental nature of life and matter are large-scale efforts that 
advance more rapidly by pooling international resources; and in the 
fight against emerging infectious diseases or the mitigation of natural 
disasters, the U.S. shares an interest with all nations in bringing the 
best science and technology to bear, with other nations having 
important assets and experiences to share.
    I should also note that an important benefit of international 
cooperation in science and technology is its value in helping to defuse 
the sources of conflict abroad. Steady cooperation between U.S. and 
Soviet scientists during the Cold War has been of significant value in 
the post-Soviet era in smoothing that transition and in dealing with 
critical issues such as the management and disposition of nuclear 
materials.
    International competition is also a resource in advancing 
innovation. To the extent that international advances spur further 
innovation in the United States, we are all better off as it drives all 
of us to greater heights. However, this requires that the U.S. makes 
the investments needed to stay at the forefront of science and 
technology and works with other nations to remove barriers to 
innovation and trade that handicap our interests. Domestically, we must 
maintain the investments that we need to keep up with the pace of 
international competition. Internationally, we are working with the 
U.S. Trade Representative and other agencies to remove regulations and 
practices that are discriminatory against U.S. innovations and to 
achieve fair and consistent protection for intellectual property. We 
are supporting work to develop international regimes such as the 
Multilateral Agreement on Investments that will help to protect our 
competitive edge.
    With regard to Japan, we are currently assessing its Basic Plan for 
Science and Technology, for potential impacts on our science and 
technology relations. This ambitious plan calls for substantial 
increases in government support for science and technology and major 
reforms in the public system of innovation. Under the Committee on 
International Science, Engineering and Technology of the NSTC we have 
formed a Working Group on Japan. This Working Group is charged with 
broadly examining our bilateral relations in science and technology to 
identify areas in which we can strengthen the value to the U.S. of this 
partnership. The increases in investments being undertaken by the 
government of Japan, particularly in the universities, will spur their 
innovative capability and will surely bring long-term benefit to their 
economy and societal well being. These increases will ultimately lead 
to greater competition for the U.S. in future markets, but they will 
also create greater opportunities for leveraging research cooperation 
to more effectively address common concerns.
    One of the challenges that we face is pressing for reciprocal 
access to Japan's resources for innovation, a challenge that continues 
to need attention. A concern that has been raised by the U.S. members 
of the U.S.-Japan Joint High Level Advisory Panel on science and 
technology is that Japan develop transparent processes for access to 
its universities and clear protection of intellectual property. Another 
area of concern continues to be the substantial asymmetry in exchange 
of scientific and technical personnel and in the flow of information. 
We will continue to work with Japan to ensure that more Americans 
participate in Japan's research system and that information is made 
more easily available from Japan, exploiting the capabilities of 
machine translation and the Internet.
    It is our responsibility to engage with the innovation community in 
Japan, to gain from their advances in science and technology as they 
have gained from our open system, and to encourage Japan to join with 
the U.S. and other nations in taking leadership to address common 
international concerns. We have had a recent success in the rapidly 
expanding area of global change prediction, where Japan plans to 
increase its investment four-fold in five years. In this area, the 
government of Japan has been forthcoming in seeking mutually beneficial 
cooperation. The U.S. government must ensure that engagement with 
Japan, and with other nations, is given appropriate priority because 
achieving the benefits of international cooperation and competition for 
the U.S. will depend on our deep commitment to success.
                              ostp budget
    Question. Please provide travel costs by division within OSTP for 
fiscal year 1995 and fiscal year 1996, differentiated into domestic and 
international travel. Also, please provide projected travel costs for 
fiscal year 1997.
    Answer. Please see attached chart.

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                                                                         Fiscal Year 1995                                Fiscal Year 1996               
                         Divison                         -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                           Local travel      Domestic      International   Local travel      Domestic      International
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Director................................................         $294.20      $12,111.19      $16,031.88         $282.23      $16,058.97       $9,235.87
Environment.............................................          547.50       16,225.08       24,087.81          769.50       20,637.24       16,155.53
National Security and International.....................        1,555.12          703.10       42,727.02        2,521.31        2,575.96       43,499.82
Science.................................................        2,131.05       29,932.90        2,619.61        1,767.10       15,949.12        7,749.19
Technology..............................................          862.10       10,659.45       14,156.39          868.05       14,267.76        7,642.97
PCAST...................................................          751.65       33,707.88  ..............          613.25       26,945.09  ..............
Budget and Administration...............................          214.25  ..............  ..............          320.30  ..............  ..............
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      Subtotal..........................................        6,355.87      103,339.60       99,622.71        7,141.74       96,434.14       84,283.38
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      Grand total.......................................                      209,318.18                                      187,859.26                
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                                                                     Fiscal Year 1997 to date                       Fiscal Year 1997 remaining          
                         Divison                         -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                           Local travel      Domestic      International   Local travel      Domestic      International
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Director................................................          $22.00       $6,472.61      $22,631.79       $1,428.00       $5,400.00       $8,000.00
Environment.............................................          735.42       17,469.21        1,141.51          714.58        7,100.00        2,600.00
National Security and International.....................        1,361.68           75.36       39,202.44           88.32  ..............       12,800.00
Science.................................................          606.41       13,701.72        5,981.58          843.59        4,115.00        2,550.00
Technology..............................................          107.70        7,881.09        6,076.25        1,342.30       11,500.00          800.00
PCAST...................................................          377.95       25,221.70  ..............          122.05       13,074.00  ..............
Budget and Administration...............................          108.55        3,050.77  ..............          141.45  ..............  ..............
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      Subtotal..........................................        3,319.71       73,872.46       75,033.57        4,680.29       41,189.00       26,750.00
                                                         ===============================================================================================
      Total.............................................                      152,225.74                                       72,619.29                
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      Grand total.......................................                                                                                                
(5)224,845.03                                                                                                                                           
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    Question. Please provide data, by division, on FTE's, and 
reimbursed and nonreimbursed detailees for fiscal year 1995 and fiscal 
year 1996, and projections for fiscal year 1997.
    Answer. The attached table illustrates OSTP's personnel expenses, 
FTE's, detailees, non-reimbursed detailees, and reimbursed IPA's.

            SUMMARY OF OSTP PERSONNEL EXPENSES--FISCAL YEAR 1995 THROUGH FISCAL YEAR 1997 (ESTIMATED)           
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                                      Fiscal year 1995           Fiscal year 1996      Fiscal year 1997 estimate
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            Division                 Salary/                    Salary/                    Salary/              
                                    benefits     FTE count     benefits     FTE count     benefits     FTE count
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Director's Office--FTE's.......     $610,825.98       7.34     $654,454.72       7.29     $709,954.06       8.25
Environment--FTE's.............      470,320.54       5.00      345,619.30       4.00      340,318.45       3.83
National Security and                                                                                           
 International--FTE's..........      437,329.81       5.50      573,038.81       6.70      674,412.69       7.70
Science--FTE's.................      349,816.04       4.67      356,466.53       5.58      330,912.26       3.92
Technology-- FTE's.............      644,867.35       6.70      554,432.11       5.80      432,820.40       4.83
Budget and Administration--                                                                                     
 FTE's.........................      272,479.24       5.42     $271,611.55       4.50      310,581.63       5.00
PCAST--FTE's...................       40,650.76       0.88       95,625.22       0.96       46,029.79       0.59
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      Total FTE's, salary and                                                                                   
       benefits................    2,826,289.72      35.51    2,851,248.24      34.83    2,845,029.28      34.12
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Director's Office--Detailees/                                                                                   
 IPA's.........................  ..............  .........  ..............  .........      $30,000.00       0.50
Environment--Detailees/IPA's...      $17,125.00       0.25      $38,158.00       0.21      230,623.02       1.67
National Security and                                                                                           
 International--Detailees/IPA's      178,809.00       1.60  ..............  .........  ..............  .........
Science--Detailees/IPA's.......      307,873.48       3.25      266,283.31       3.17      145,052.38       2.46
Technology--Detailees/IPA's....      156,231.00       2.00       74,888.01       1.08       87,537.82       1.00
Budget and Administration--                                                                                     
 Detailees/IPA's...............  ..............  .........  ..............  .........  ..............  .........
PCAST--Detailees/IPA's.........  ..............  .........  ..............  .........  ..............  .........
                                --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Total detailees/IPA's....      660,038.48       7.10      379,329.32       4.46      493,213.22       5.63
                                ================================================================================
Lump Sum Leave Payments........       32,550.80  .........       16,165.74  .........       53,058.81  .........
Overtime Payments..............       27,109.57  .........       21,183.25  .........       20,000.00  .........
Awards.........................       40,500.00  .........       24,000.00  .........       40,000.00  .........
Unemployment Compensation......  ..............  .........        7,713.00  .........       10,000.00  .........
OPM Buyout Charge..............        3,040.00  .........        2,880.00  .........        2,680.00  .........
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      Total personnel expenses.    3,589,528.57  .........    3,302,519.55  .........    3,463,981.31  .........
      Budget apportionment or                                                                                   
       request.................    3,754,000.00  .........    3,797,000.00  .........    3,746,000.00  .........
      Difference--Surplus or                                                                                    
       (deficit)...............      164,471.43  .........      494,480.45  .........      282,018.69  .........
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    With regard to fiscal year 1996 and fiscal year 1997 staffing, 
these were unusual years. During these two years OSTP had long 
stretches of time without confirmed Associate Directors. Because 
incoming Associate Directors should make the decision on permanent 
staffing replacements for departing staff, in many instances Acting 
Associate Directors made temporary assignments in order to ensure that 
required work got done during the transitions. Many of these temporary 
assignments were in the form of short-term detailees, hiring of 
consultants, etc. In addition, in most cases individuals currently on 
staff were named Acting Associate Directors. These individuals have 
salaries that are $10,000 to $30,000 less than the salaries of 
confirmed Associate Directors. The combination of unfilled Executive 
Level III positions and temporary assignments to enable OSTP to meet 
required deadlines contributed substantially to the excess of personnel 
funds.
                      NATIONAL SCIENCE FOUNDATION

STATEMENT OF NEAL LANE, DIRECTOR
ACCOMPANIED BY DR. JOSEPH BORDOGNA, ACTING DEPUTY DIRECTOR

    Senator Bond. Thank you very much. Dr. Lane.
    Dr. Lane. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman and ranking 
member Mikulski. I very much appreciate the opportunity to 
appear before you this afternoon to discuss NSF's budget 
request for the coming fiscal year. I join my colleague, Jack 
Gibbons, in expressing my appreciation for the very good 
working relationship that we have had with the committee under 
your leadership and under Senator Mikulski's leadership.
    I would like to ask your permission, Mr Chairman, if during 
the question session Dr. Joe Bordogna be permitted to join us 
at the table.
    Senator Bond. We will be happy to do so, and I should have 
said earlier that we will make your full statements part of the 
record so that you may just touch on what you feel are the most 
important items.
    Dr. Lane. Thank you. I would also like to submit the 
statement of Dr. Richard Zare, Chairman of the National Science 
Board, for the record.
    Senator Bond. Without objection, it will be accepted.
    Dr. Lane. NSF-supported discoveries have a very large 
impact on the world, from understanding how plants respond to 
diseases, and paving the way to plants that resist parasites 
without pesticides, to developing microbes that purify 
contaminated groundwater, to using auditory detection 
strategies first identified in frogs as models for improving 
hearing aids.
    The 1996 Nobel Prize in chemistry was awarded for research 
that NSF has supported for over a decade on the carbon 
molecules known as buckyballs. Today, these NSF-supported 
researchers are stringing buckyballs together to create tiny 
nanotubes which are 100 times stronger than steel, but only a 
fraction--one-sixth--of the weight. In the words of the 
Washington Post, these could be the drop-dead superfiber of the 
future.
    NSF's unique role in support of university-based research 
and education across all fields has been found to be among the 
most productive of all public investments. One seminal study 
has estimated that the rate of return on investments on 
academic research exceeds 25 percent on an annual basis, 
outpacing even the market over the long haul.
    America's system of higher education sets a world-leading 
standard of excellence and inclusiveness, yet even this 
outstanding system faces challenges in preparing students to 
deal with a rapidly changing scientific and technological 
world. NSF addresses these challenges by supporting innovative, 
systemic approaches to education and training at all levels.
    NSF remains committed to delivering the highest possible 
returns on the Nation's investments. We have traditionally 
maintained a very low overhead rate and have received national 
recognition for our commitment to efficiency and productivity.
    This past December, NSF became the first Federal agency to 
receive the prestigious National Information Infrastructure 
Award, which recognizes innovative uses of the Internet and 
World Wide Web in business, education, and Government.
    Mr. Chairman, our budget request of $3.367 billion will 
provide us with resources to continue supporting more than 
19,000 research and education projects in science and 
engineering. An increase of $97 million, it represents a strong 
commitment to research at a time of constrained Federal 
discretionary spending.
    This increase will enable NSF to pursue several 
initiatives, one of which we call knowledge and distributed 
intelligence, or KDI. It is designed to push the frontier of 
Internet use and development to a new level of capability. It 
has not only major scientific implications, but practical 
societal benefits as well.
    This is a truly remarkable era for research and education 
in America. The investments in this request will help ensure 
that our Nation gains full benefit from these emerging 
opportunities, and that the future brings greater progress and 
prosperity to all Americans.
    We are struck by the recent commitment by Japan to double 
the Government's research and development budget between the 
years 1992 and 2000. This is one more reminder that strong 
support for research and education is essential if the United 
States is to remain a world-leading economy in the 21st 
century. How can we expect to compete in the world's aggressive 
technology-driven markets if we reduce the very investments in 
people and ideas and instrumentation that creates technology?

                          PREPARED STATEMENTS

    Mr. Chairman, I thank you for this opportunity to discuss 
the role of the National Science Foundation in ensuring 
America's global leadership in science, engineering, and 
technology, as well as quality education for all Americans.
    I would be very pleased to respond to any questions that 
you or members of the committee might have.
    [The statements follow:]

                  Prepared Statement of Dr. Neal Lane

    Mr. Chairman, I appreciate the opportunity to appear today and 
provide the subcommittee with an overview of the NSF budget request for 
1998. For the coming fiscal year, the National Science Foundation 
requests $3.367 billion. This will allow us to invest in more than 
19,000 research and education projects in science and engineering. 
These investments in people, ideas, and exploring the unknown will 
guide our future course as a nation and bring new sources of prosperity 
and opportunity to all Americans.
    If one were to take a snapshot of the U.S. economy today, it would 
show a number of key areas driving growth and opportunity. They come 
under headings like biotechnology, multimedia, medical imaging, 
environmental technologies, polymers, decision theory, educational 
technologies, sensors, and opto-electronics, not to mention high-speed 
computational and communications technologies like the Internet and 
World Wide Web.
    Virtually all of these innovations have become widely used within 
the past few decades. And while these areas are key to productivity in 
a wide array of industries and sectors, from manufacturing to health 
care to financial services, they share one important trait--each has 
deep roots in the support for fundamental research and education 
provided by the National Science Foundation and other Federal agencies. 
For example:
  --Boeing's new 777 jetliner has been cited as ``the most advanced and 
        service-ready jet in commercial aviation history.'' Yet, the 
        777 was designed entirely ``on screen'' bypassing the need for 
        models and mockups, and saving the company an estimated $100 
        million. The computer-assisted-design and virtual reality 
        systems that underlie this important accomplishment can all be 
        traced to years of sustained public investments in such diverse 
        topics as scientific visualization, fundamental mathematics, 
        rapid prototyping, and other areas that cut across the spectrum 
        of science and engineering.
  --On January 2, 1997, a New York Times article on productivity in 
        business opened with the following passage: ``Dell Computer 
        Corp. has designed its newest factory without room for 
        inventory storage. Chrysler Corp. can increase vehicle 
        production without building new factories. And General Electric 
        expects to save millions of dollars by purchasing spare parts 
        over the Internet. On the surface, these are manufacturing 
        stories. At heart they are among the thousands of new business 
        practices made possible by technology.''
  --If an ordinary citizen were asked to name a field of research that 
        is unlikely to generate much in the way of discoveries that 
        would quickly find their way to the marketplace, it would not 
        be surprising if astronomy were mentioned. But the 
        determination of precise positions for satellites can only be 
        accomplished by very long baseline interferometry (VLBI) radio 
        telescopes fixing on distant cosmic radio sources. The Global 
        Positioning System that uses satellites to precisely pinpoint 
        our location at any spot on the globe would be impossible 
        without such precision. GPS has important applications for the 
        military, recreation, transportation, and even for reducing the 
        time and cost of commercial airline flights. GPS is a 
        multibillion dollar industry that would have been impossible 
        without astronomical research.
    Moreover, the technologies that made possible these new innovations 
were in turn made possible by steady and stable Federal support for the 
instruments and insights needed to extend the frontiers of physics, 
cosmology, supercomputing, manufacturing research, and other areas of 
science and engineering that demand the most of new technologies.
    Similar success stories abound in today's world, such as bacteria 
that munch on oil spills, classroom computers that adapt automatically 
to students' strengths and weaknesses, and new chemical techniques that 
slash the cost of drug design and development. Each can be traced back 
to investments in people and ideas through research and education in 
science and engineering.
    In this same way, we have great expectations that recent 
breakthroughs in fundamental research hold the key to future economic 
success. For example, the 1996 Nobel Prize in Chemistry was awarded for 
research on the carbon structures known as buckyballs that NSF has 
supported for over a decade. Today, these NSF-supported researchers are 
stringing buckyballs together to create ``nanotubes'' which turn out to 
be 100 times stronger than steel but only one sixth the weight. In the 
words of The Washington Post, these could be the ``drop-dead super-
fiber of the future.'' These and other examples bring to life what top 
economists have been saying for years: public investments in science 
and engineering yield immense dividends to our economy and society.
    Furthermore, NSF's unique role--that of supporting university-based 
(non-clinical) research and education across all fields and 
disciplines--has been found to be among the most productive of all 
public investments. One seminal study \1\ has estimated that the rate 
of return on investments in academic research exceeds 25 percent on an 
annual basis, outpacing even the stock market over the long haul. Other 
studies have found an increasingly vital link between our university 
research base and the competitive position of U.S. industry. Newly 
awarded patents, for example, draw upon current findings from academic 
research at a rate never before seen in history.
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    \1\ Mansfield, E. 199. ``Academic Research and Industrial 
Innovation.'' Research Policy 20: 1-12. For a fuller discussion of the 
rate of return on scientific research, See ``Science and Engineering 
Indicators 1996'', Chapter 8.
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    While these examples provide ample testimony to the success of 
NSF's past investments, all signs are that they are only the beginning 
of what is possible--provided we uphold our nation's position of 
leadership across the spectrum of science and engineering research and 
education.
    As we approach the 21st Century, it is especially noteworthy that 
other nations--Japan in particular--are demonstrating a growing 
awareness of the link between a strong science and technology base and 
a nation's overall economic vitality. U.S. Ambassador and former Vice 
President Walter Mondale noted this in a recent editorial: ``One clear 
indicator of the seriousness of Japan's R&D efforts is the level of 
spending * * *.'' Japan has recently announced a national goal of 
doubling its support of basic research over the next five years. This 
provides one more reminder that strong public support for research and 
education is essential if the U.S. is to remain a world leading economy 
in the 21st Century.

        NSF FISCAL YEAR 1998 REQUEST: HIGHLIGHTS AND PRIORITIES

    NSF's fiscal year 1998 budget request provides NSF with an overall 
increase of 3 percent, which would enable the agency to pursue a number 
of emerging opportunities that hold immense potential both from a 
scientific standpoint and as drivers of future economic growth and 
social benefit.
    These focused efforts draw upon NSF's strong linkages across all 
science and engineering fields, as well as the agency's commitment to 
the integration of research and education and to working in partnership 
with academic institutions, private industry, and other agencies at all 
levels of government.

Knowledge and Distributed Intelligence in the Age of Information
    Over the span of a few years, computers have moved from large, air-
conditioned rooms to our laps and our pockets. While in 1980 NSF-
supported scientists and engineers had only limited access to the 
highest levels of computational power, today they employ desktop 
systems of comparable power and have access to a collection of 
supercomputing facilities with capabilities they could only dream about 
a decade ago. Over this same period, the number of host computers on 
what is now the Internet has leapt from about 200 to over 10 million in 
1996--a 50,000 fold increase.
    This rise in both power and connectivity has changed the face of 
science and engineering, just as it has generated new opportunities for 
all Americans. The challenge today is to realize the full potential of 
these emerging technologies for research, for education, and for our 
economy and society. This era is often referred to as ``the information 
age,'' but that heading does not do justice to the possibilities and 
opportunities emerging today. The coming age is perhaps best described 
as an era of ``knowledge and distributed intelligence''--an era in 
which knowledge is available to anyone, located anywhere, at any time, 
and an era in which power, information, and control move away from 
centralized systems to the individual.
    Knowledge and Distributed Intelligence (KDI) is an ambitious 
Foundation-wide effort designed to take information, communications, 
computing and networking to a new level of technological, economic, 
educational, and societal impact. It has the potential to revolutionize 
not only U.S. science and engineering, but also the way in which all 
Americans learn, work, and interact. It draws on past advances made in 
networking, supercomputing, and learning and intelligent systems. In 
fiscal year 1998, NSF plans a focused, multidisciplinary $58 million 
program of activities in support of KDI research, infrastructure 
development, and education that draws upon and reinforces related on-
going efforts totaling approximately $355 million.
    For fiscal year 1998, these investments in KDI fall into two basic 
categories:

  --Multidisciplinary Approaches to Knowledge and Distributed 
        Intelligence ($48 million). This NSF-wide activity will provide 
        researchers and educators an opportunity to link diverse 
        components of the KDI framework, so that advances in one area 
        work to the benefit of all. This effort will span such 
        activities as knowledge-based networking, learning and 
        intelligent systems, and new approaches to computational tools 
        important to many disciplines.
  --Next Generation Internet ($10 million). NSF is a key participant in 
        the President's 5-year program to move toward the Next 
        Generation Internet. The agency's role builds on its current 
        programs of networking, infrastructure development, and 
        research. NSF's $10 million contribution will be devoted to 
        participation in a multi-agency program aimed at enhancing 
        Internet capabilities for research and education at colleges 
        and universities.

Life and Earth's Environment
    NSF has had a strong presence in the life, social, and 
environmental sciences for many years, supporting research and 
education activities that complement the mission-driven activities of 
other agencies. Increasingly, NSF is focusing on how living organisms 
interact with their environment, including how humans affect their 
environment and vice versa. Examples include microbial diversity and 
bioremediation, metabolic engineering and bioprocessing, natural 
hazards mitigation, environmental geochemistry and biogeochemistry, 
human dimensions of global change, and long term ecological research 
sites.
    The study of life in extreme environments can provide important new 
insights into how organisms formed, and about the range of adaptive 
mechanisms which allow them to function. Researchers can then examine 
how to mimic such mechanisms for use in situations inimical to human 
life such as bioremediation or bioprocessing. This overall effort was 
begun in fiscal year 1997 and we will continue to develop this program 
in fiscal year 1998, in concert with activities in other agencies (such 
as NASA's Origins program).

Educating for the Future
    America's system of higher education sets a world-leading standard 
for excellence and inclusiveness. Yet even this outstanding system 
faces challenges in preparing students for dealing with the rapidly 
changing scientific and technological landscape expected in the 21st 
century. NSF is addressing these challenges by supporting innovative, 
systemic approaches to education and training at all levels, and 
especially through activities that link learning and discovery.
    Integration of Research and Education.--This core strategy from the 
Foundation's strategic plan has emerged as a key touchstone for all NSF 
investments. Educating today's students in a discovery-rich environment 
will better prepare them to meet tomorrow's challenges. Likewise, 
history has shown that research in an education-rich environment yields 
an exceptionally dynamic and diverse enterprise. Fiscal year 1998 
highlights include:
  --The CAREER program (Faculty Early Career Development), which 
        provides a framework for junior-level faculty to link their 
        research activities with their teaching and mentoring 
        responsibilities. For fiscal year 1998 the CAREER program will 
        grow by 21 percent, to $81 million. NSF nominates selected 
        awardees for the prestigious Presidential Early Career Awards 
        for Scientists and Engineers in order to recognize both the 
        outstanding character of their research and their commitment to 
        education.
  --The REU program (Research Experiences for Undergraduates) will 
        significantly expand in fiscal year 1998, increasing by 11 
        percent to almost $30 million. It is one of NSF's most popular 
        and successful programs, as it provides opportunities for 
        several thousand undergraduate students each year to 
        participate in ongoing or specially designated research 
        projects at sites throughout the nation.
  --Integrative Graduate Education and Research Training (IGERT). This 
        new cross-Foundation activity, funded at $20 million, will 
        merge features of the ongoing Research Training Group program 
        in the biological sciences with the Graduate Research 
        Traineeship program. This experimental effort provides a 
        flexible alternate approach to graduate education--as was 
        recommended in recent reports by the National Science Board and 
        the National Academy of Sciences.
    Systemic Reform.--NSF's systemic reform activities are well-
established at the K-12 level, where they will remain a high priority. 
Fiscal year 1998 will see the initiation of focused systemic reform 
efforts at the undergraduate and graduate levels that will involve all 
parts of the Foundation. Experimental activities in fiscal year 1996 
and fiscal year 1997--such as the Comprehensive Reform of Undergraduate 
Education and the Recognition Awards for the Integration of Research 
and Education--have set the stage for an enhanced effort, or more 
accurately, the age of Knowledge and Distributed Intelligence.
    The Urban Systemic Initiative will fund up to 25 implementation 
sites in the remaining eligible cities. In 1996 our investment in USI 
was leveraged nearly 4-fold as other Federal agencies, states, and the 
private sector committed over $206 million. More than 145,000 teachers 
who serve 3.6 million students typically in minority districts in urban 
centers have received intensive training in math and science content as 
a result of their participation in the USI.
    Challenges to Learning.--Just as the information age creates 
challenges and opportunities for the research component of science and 
engineering, it creates challenges and opportunities for learning. 
Formal education systems have changed little while the workplace and 
other aspects of life have been transformed and redesigned. In 
conjunction with the KDI effort described above, NSF will explore how 
individuals and groups of individuals learn, both inside and outside 
formal education systems, as well as how technology might be used to 
change the patterns of traditional education.
    EPSCoR (Experimental Program to Stimulate Competitive Research) is 
a Foundation-wide investment pursued in cooperation with state 
governments that helps to broaden U.S. capabilities in science, 
engineering, and technology. In fiscal year 1998, NSF funding for 
EPSCoR totals more than $38 million. Improved linkages between EPSCoR 
and other NSF-supported research and education activities is expected 
to result in an additional $8-10 million in merit-reviewed research for 
EPSCoR states. This funding is intended to enable researchers and 
educators supported through EPSCoR to participate more fully in other 
Foundation-wide activities.
Facility Investments
    In keeping with its core purpose of advancing the frontiers of 
science and engineering, NSF is acutely aware of the need for major 
research platforms that support the activities of a broad spectrum of 
researchers and educators. Fiscal year 1998 will see the completion of 
funding for the Laser Interferometer Gravitational Wave Observatory 
(LIGO), maintain investments in facility improvements at the South 
Pole, and initiate support for the Polar Cap Observatory and the first 
phase of the Millimeter Array.
    Last month the External Review Panel for the South Pole Station 
completed its work and its chairman, Dr. Norm Augustine, presented a 
set of recommendations for NSF supported research at the South Pole. 
Included in the list of recommendations was that the existing South 
Pole Station be replaced with an optimized new station.
Salaries and Expenses
    NSF has a well-deserved reputation as an efficiently run agency. 
Credit for this belongs to dedicated men and women who have worked 
there over the years. But the work is growing increasingly challenging 
as the workload increases and the resources for managing the agency 
remain flat. Over the past decade NSF's budget has effectively doubled, 
from $1.62 billion to $3.22 billion. During that time the number of 
participating institutions has grown by 50 percent, as has the number 
of proposals submitted for evaluation and review. During this same 
period, however, NSF career staffing levels have remained relatively 
flat.
    Two factors contribute to the agency's success in increasing its 
workload with no accompanying growth in personnel. First is the 
successful partnership with the research community to provide merit 
review for proposals. Last year more than 59,000 experts provided more 
than 170,000 reviews of proposals submitted to NSF. The second factor 
is the astute use of technology to automate labor intensive processes. 
NSF was the first government agency chosen for a National Information 
Infrastructure (NII) award for extraordinary achievements and 
innovative uses of the information highway for its FastLane initiative.
                               conclusion
    I would like to close with just a brief comment on NSF's efforts to 
improve our accountability--to Congress, to the public, and to the 
research and education communities that are our major constituencies. 
This budget was prepared in accordance with our Strategic Plan. We are 
now working to develop performance measurements so that our next budget 
submission complies with the Government Performance and Results Act. We 
are anxious to have your views on the types of metrics that would be 
most helpful to Congress in setting budget priorities.
    Today's budget realities require that every dollar work harder and 
yield the highest possible dividends. At the same time, the 
possibilities and opportunities emerging across the spectrum of science 
and engineering remind us that this is a truly remarkable era for 
research and education in America. The investments contained in this 
request will help ensure that our nation gains full benefit from these 
emerging opportunities--and that the future brings greater progress and 
prosperity to all Americans.
    Mr. Chairman, thank you for this opportunity to discuss some of the 
highlights of our budget request. I would be pleased to respond to any 
questions that you or members of the committee might have.
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  Prepared Statement of Dr. Richard Zare, Chairman, National Science 
                                 Board

    Chairman Bond and members of the Subcommittee, I appreciate the 
opportunity to provided testimony on behalf of the appropriation for 
the National Science Foundation. I am Dr. Richard Zare, Chairman of the 
National Science Board and Professor of Chemistry at Stanford 
University. I would like to convey to you a bit of the excitement and 
value to the nation of the research and education activities that will 
be supported by the National Science Foundation's fiscal year 1998 
budget request. I will also mention some of the work of the Board in 
helping to develop this budget, and in trying to get a better 
understanding of the possible effects of any changes in Federal agency 
research programs on the broader picture of Federal support for 
research.
    First, however, I would like to thank the Subcommittee for its 
strong support of the Foundation in the past. Your continuing 
commitment to a strong national effort in research and education is 
extremely important to the NSF as we carry out our various 
responsibilities.
    The National Science Board is a 24-member body appointed by the 
President for six-year terms. We represent a broad cross-section of the 
nation's leaders in science, engineering and education, and include 
full-time researchers, educators, university officials and industry 
executives. Since the founding of the NSF in 1950, the Board has 
exercised two roles: that of a national policy body, and that of a 
governing body for the Foundation. In many respects the latter role is 
similar to that of a corporate board of directors, but as a Federal 
entity we operate within the framework of policy guidance established 
by the Congress and the Administration.
    The Board approves NSF's policies, budget proposals, new programs, 
and major multimillion-dollar awards, and generally oversees the fiscal 
and management operations of NSF as a whole. We work very hard to make 
sure that all of the Foundation's policies, systems, programs and 
awards are of the highest quality, incorporate our best thinking, and 
reflect the perspectives of the communities we represent.
    The budget before you has the wholehearted approval of the Board. 
NSF funding is a vital investment in the nation's future. The budget 
you're looking at today will provide the means to fund thousands of 
worthwhile projects across the exciting frontiers of all fields of 
research, and it will fund important efforts to improve the Nation's 
education in science, mathematics, engineering and technology.
    I would especially like to call your attention to a new initiative 
in the area of Knowledge and Distributed Intelligence, which holds 
immense potential as a driver of progress and opportunity for all 
Americans. This is a new set of investments spanning a wide range of 
Foundation programs, including NSF's part of the Next Generation 
Internet, and going beyond that, for example, to better link research 
in cognition with technologies for teaching and learning. I am so 
excited about the possibilities arising from this ``KDI'' initiative 
that I wrote an editorial that appeared in Science magazine on February 
21. With your permission, I would like to submit the editorial for the 
record.
    The Foundation's fiscal year 1998 budget also is important for 
improving education in science and mathematics at all grade levels. 
Aside from the beauty and enjoyment that flows from better 
understanding our world, there are three practical reasons for that 
education:
    First, to educate the workers and entrepreneurs who are able to 
understand and use research results and new technological capabilities 
to keep the nation at the forefront in today's global marketplace;
    Second, to refresh the pool of researchers who can go about gaining 
new understanding of nature, who can design novel processes and 
products, and who are able to capitalize on discoveries made by other 
societies; and,
    Third, to give the public as a whole, and especially its future 
leaders, a sufficient foundation in science, mathematics, technology 
and problem-solving, to make sound decisions about important national 
and global issues.
    The Board also recently led an effort to revise the general 
criteria for proposal review that are used to select projects for 
funding in all NSF programs. The criteria have served the Foundation 
well, by and large, but they have not been given a comprehensive 
examination since the early 1980's, and we think they need at least 
some updating to be brought into line with the Foundation's Strategic 
Plan.
    A task force consisting of the Board members and senior NSF staff, 
with input from our proposer and reviewer communities developed new 
general criteria. The revised criteria were adopted at our March 
meeting, a couple of weeks ago for use for all proposals reviewed 
beginning October 1. NSF is getting the word out to the national 
research community, so investigators can have the new criteria in mind 
as they work on their proposals over the summer.
    We are also providing oversight to NSF as it develops methods and 
processes to comply with the present and forthcoming requirements of 
the Government Performance and Results Act, and monitoring the phase-in 
of other legislated government-wide requirements such as the 
Information Technology Management Reform Act.
    In addition to our close and continuing oversight of NSF, the Board 
has a special role in monitoring the health of science and engineering 
in the U.S. and in providing advice on national policy in research and 
education. We have been discussing ways to give considerable attention 
this year to research funding priorities within NSF, in the context of 
the overall picture of support by the various Federal agencies.
    The world is changing more quickly than ever. Each of us sees the 
speed and force of those changes around us every day, in ways that we 
perceive as wondrous, elegant and profound--even, sometimes, a little 
overwhelming. I need only mention three examples:
  --Developing (when it's working) a nearly instantaneous, worldwide 
        information delivery capability that, among other things, is 
        promising to cause a revolution in scientific publishing 
        comparable in its impact to the Gutenberg printing press;
  --The ever-increasing use of microprocessors and robotics, from what 
        you see in the home to those used in manufacturing; and,
  --Something that I have a very personal involvement in, namely, 
        finding possible evidence of primitive life on ancient Mars.
    In more down-to-earth ways, we also see, for example, that global 
competition in manufacturing continues to grow, challenging our 
economic base; and that the public's expectations about combating 
terrorism, violence, disease, poverty and environmental problems 
continue to rise. Although research alone cannot solve these problems, 
it is one of the most important contributors to their solution. Because 
the Federal government plays a critical role in supporting the 
fundamental research that underlies progress in these areas, it is more 
important than ever that a robust and well-considered level of overall 
Federal investment in long-term research be sustained.
    Strong support for NSF is clearly a keystone of that investment. 
And strong support for the research performed or supported by other 
Federal agencies, in connection with their missions, is vital as well. 
The Board is very concerned about the possibilities for reduction or 
compression of the overall Federal investment in research. We are 
concerned as well for the possible fate of the various research 
programs in Federal agencies whose budgets--indeed, their very 
existence--continue to be challenged.
    Mr. Chairman, we urge the Congress, when considering funding for 
Federal agencies that have science, engineering and education programs, 
to do so with explicit regard for the relationships among those 
programs across the government and with industrial research and 
development. It is important not to take actions that will undercut 
areas of science and engineering vital to our national interest.
    The Board's efforts over the next few months will center on getting 
a clearer understanding of the many linkages within the Federal and 
national picture for research so that we will be better able to 
visualize or anticipate the consequences of various actions by the 
Administration and Congress.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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                 Knowledge and Distributed Intelligence

                          (By Richard N. Zare)

    The author is chairman of the National Science Board, which is the 
governing body of NSF, and professor of chemistry at Stanford 
University, Stanford, CA.
    In reading the pages of Science, I have been struck by the stunning 
progress being made in science and engineering--new phenomena 
discovered, new materials synthesized, new methods developed. What I 
see behind many of these exciting stories is the widespread and even 
revolutionary use of distributed intelligence that is made possible by 
the ``wiring'' of the scientific community. It is more than a time 
saver or a communication enhancer; it is enabling us to think in new 
ways and its impact on society may be monumental.
    Consider this random sampling of newspaper headlines: ``Medical 
Schools Use Palmtop Computers to Improve Training,'' ``Web Site Allows 
Users to `Handle' Specimens From Smithsonian,'' ``Laugh and Your 
Computer Will Laugh With You, Someday.'' There's obviously something 
profound going on here, and it is more than just the Internet. 
Computational technologies are becoming more powerful and more 
portable. We can access more information at greater speeds and with 
greater facility than was previously imaginable. We can even remotely 
control sophisticated experiments--on a recent visit to the National 
Science Foundation's (NSF's) South Pole Station, I watched as 
astronomers in Wisconsin controlled an infrared telescope on site. As 
these advances in computing and communications coalesce, we begin to 
see their full potential for promoting progress in science and 
engineering and for driving economic growth and societal gain.
    The term ``information age'' probably does not do justice to the 
possibilities of this emerging era. This is an age of ``knowledge and 
distributed intelligence,'' in which knowledge is available to anyone, 
located anywhere, at any time; and in which power, information, and 
control are moving from centralized systems to individuals. This era 
calls for a new form of leadership and vision from the academic science 
and engineering community. We know from countless examples that 
academic science and engineering have enabled our society to make the 
most of new technologies. We wouldn't have today's advanced computer 
graphics systems if mathematicians hadn't been able to solve problems 
related to surface geometries. We wouldn't have networks capable of 
handling massive amounts of data if physicists and astronomers hadn't 
continuously forged tools to look more deeply into subatomic structures 
and the cosmos. Chemists' efforts to simulate complex phenomena and 
predict the properties of many-electron systems have inspired massively 
parallel architectures for computing. And the information made 
available by the sequencing of the human genome has caused us to 
rethink how to store, manipulate, and retrieve data most effectively. 
It will take new insights from studies of human cognition, linguistics, 
neurobiology, computing, and more to develop systems that truly augment 
our capacity to learn and create. The best may be yet to come.
    Despite brutally tight constraints on federal discretionary 
spending, President Clinton has stepped forward to champion a 3 percent 
increase (uncorrected for inflation) in NSF's 1998 budget. The 
president's request is only the first step in the congressional budget 
process ahead. Given that the priorities of Congress will almost 
certainly differ from those of the president, it will take an 
unprecedented level of input and commitment from the research community 
to ensure that investments in science and engineering receive the same 
strong bipartisan support they have enjoyed for generations. This 3 
percent increase would enable NSF to launch a new set of investments 
spanning all its directorates. This knowledge and distributed 
intelligence (KDI) initiative would promote collaborations that seem 
long overdue, such as linking the science of learning and cognition 
with the development of technologies for teaching and learning. NSF's 
role in the proposed Next Generation Internet project is also part of 
the KDI package. This project would create a ``smart'' infrastructure 
for research and education at colleges and universities that would 
facilitate collaboration across geographic as well as intellectual 
distances.
    It is clear that knowledge and distributed intelligence holds 
immense potential, both from a scientific standpoint and as a driver of 
progress and opportunity for all Americans. Knowledge and distributed 
intelligence is not just about hardware or software, but about the 
wherewithal to change for the better the way we learn, communicate, and 
do research.

                         FEDERAL R&D INVESTMENT

    Senator Bond. Thank you very much, Dr. Lane.
    First, we recognize the comments made by Dr. Gibbons that 
the amount of money is a critically important item. The 
discretionary funds have been squeezed because we have not yet 
been able to come to agreement on dealing with the entitlement 
or mandated benefit programs which threaten to bankrupt our 
country.
    Until we get that part of the spending under control we are 
going to see continued pressure on not only science but other 
items funded through the appropriations process, and I am 
hopeful that perhaps as early as this week we will see some 
evidence of bipartisan agreement that will move us in the path 
of getting entitlement spending under control.

                     SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY BUDGET

    Let me ask a broad, probably unanswerable question as to 
the correct level in science and research development. As you 
know, the NSTC put out a report that said 3 percent of gross 
domestic product would be a good total investment. The 
President's fiscal year 1998 budget shows an overall increase 
of some 2 percent. Unfortunately, the entire budget shows a 
very significant increase this year with all the cuts to come 
in year 2001 and 2002, and that is not going to happen, so we 
have additional pressure that I can expect from the budget 
agreement.
    What would you say is the proper Federal investment in R&D? 
How should it be made in relationship with the private sector 
investment, and what kind of tests should we be using to 
determine this level?
    Let us start with Dr. Gibbons.
    Dr. Gibbons. Well, there is an interesting dialog going on 
now as you know, Senator, that talks about how much should we 
be putting into research, and it has been an international 
dialog.
    The Japanese, in the face of a sluggard economy, decided to 
double their Federal research budget as a means of stimulating 
their economic growth. At the same time, we have been trimming 
ours well below the past historical trajectories.
    The study that OSTP carried out suggested that the 
traditional level of presently around 2\1/2\, 2.6 percent total 
fraction of our national GNP, public and private, goes into 
research, and perhaps as we move into the new century it would 
be well to ramp that up to around 3, because we are so much 
more dependent on science and technology in that future time.
    It was not a recommendation, but it raised the question of 
whether or not we should not be thinking about what fraction of 
our national wealth should we be recommitting to assure our 
future.
    Now, what we have done in the past several years is try to 
assure that at least we are holding on as we all struggle to 
get our fiscal house in balance, and so our changes over the 
past 4 years have been basically to try to hold on to our 
purchasing power, but we have been unable to make the kinds of 
historic increases that have been made in the past, when we are 
borrowing money from the future to do it.
    Now, I would suggest that our first priority, then, is to 
hold on to the level of support we have, and to maintain that 
support with a reasonably stable environment. We do not want a 
lot of up and down in research, because it is very difficult to 
plan and carry out research in that way, or to train students, 
but that in the long term we might want to talk very seriously 
about establishing some kind of a goal in which the research 
reinvestments in our Nation would track our economic growth 
over the long term.

             PUBLIC INVESTMENT IN RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT

    Senator Bond. Where public investment results in a 
profitable R&D result, should the Government participate in a 
share of the profits in order to reinvest?
    Dr. Gibbons. The Government does clearly but indirectly 
profit, because those investments in the private economy result 
in taxes on goods and services. That is probably the most 
assured and most efficient way of return.
    At the same time, there are other measures now when public 
and private sectors partner and both invest in a research 
project that private investor receives certain advantages in 
that intellectual property, such as an exclusive license for a 
period of time.

                        PUBLIC INVESTMENT IN R&D

    Senator Bond. Let me ask Dr. Lane to comment on that 
unanswerable question.
    Dr. Lane. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Maybe I would just add 
to the excellent response Dr. Gibbons just gave that, in 
particular in the area that NSF focuses on, namely research and 
education activities integrated in a university and college 
environment, I think the payoff even for the most fundamental 
studies can be immediate and large in terms of educational 
benefits, because the students that flow through those 
institutions go very quickly out into jobs, careers of various 
kinds that take advantage of technological capability that they 
get from a university education.
    There is a place in which our investment is relatively 
small. I think we invest from the Federal budget about $13 
billion in academic research compared to a total Federal 
investment of $75 billion or so.
    I believe that, in deciding how much is enough and 
addressing the issue of how you test to determine whether you 
are there yet or not, one needs to try to look for those scale-
dependent terms of the equation. The size of our country, the 
number of students that flow through our universities and 
colleges, for example, and the size of our industry that will 
require the knowledge and technology as it comes out of the 
companies does make a difference.
    So whether it should scale directly with GDP or not I 
certainly do not know, but we must make a larger investment 
than other countries. It is not enough just to say the United 
States is at the leading edge in all of these important fields. 
It is at the leading edge right now in many fields. Our worry 
is about the future. But there also are the direct benefits 
that come out of research activity, and I point particularly to 
the educational benefits that flow from our universities and 
colleges.
    Senator Bond. Thank you, Dr. Lane. Senator Mikulski.
    Senator Mikulski. Thank you. Dr. Gibbons, I do not want to 
turn this hearing into a NASA hearing by proxy, but I do have a 
few questions related to our space program if we would, and 
then also to some of the roles directly related to the OSTP.

                      ROLE OF OSTP IN SPACE ISSUES

    In your testimony you outline essentially the role of the 
Office of Science and Technology in space. First, I want to 
thank you for your role in helping increase space funding so 
that we did not have that draconian dip that took us to $11 
billion in the out-years and I felt would have decimated it, so 
thank you for your very key advocacy role in that.
    I want to ask two questions, one about the space station 
and the shuttle, and I understand they are interlocked. We are 
deeply concerned about the future of the space station because 
of the role, of the involvement with the Russians.
    There are, as you know, questions raised by both ourselves 
as well as our counterpart in the House, Mr. Sensenbrenner, 
about what are we bankrolling with the Russians? Do we have 
what will then amount to a bailout operation, and if we do, are 
we then foraging, taking money out of the space shuttle program 
to pay for the inadequacies of the Russians failing to meet 
their commitments.

                     RUSSIA'S ROLE IN SPACE STATION

    So now, having said that, let me go to my questions. Where 
are we with the Russians? Second, do you think they are going 
to keep their commitments? Do we have to have this kind of 
backup system, and then if we then are funding two programs 
with the Russians and then our own backup to them, what is the 
impact on the other NASA budget, particularly the shuttle and 
the safety of the shuttle, essentially the Sensenbrenner 
question.
    Dr. Gibbons. Senator, first of all I want to thank you for 
your steadfast support of NASA and the space science 
activities. Without that kind of support we would not have 
gotten where I think we have gotten today in terms of improving 
especially those outyear profiles.
    With respect to the station, as you know, early in 
President Clinton's first term we decided to try to move toward 
a full internationalization of the work and to bring the 
Russians into that equation for a variety of reasons, including 
their extensive knowledge of space science and engineering and 
the capability of their being added to that international 
consortium to make a truly extraordinary venture.
    Now, we did not anticipate all of the problems that Russia 
was going to have, and one never can do that, but clearly they 
have run into some enormous fiscal problems here in this past 
year or so. They have delivered fully on those things for which 
we were purchasing from them, purchasing at a far less cost 
than we could have done ourselves. Where they have fallen short 
are on the areas in which they promised to furnish at their own 
expense certain elements of the space station.
    What has happened is that their lack of funds flowing into 
their space agency has caused them to be slipping in their 
schedule of a couple of important units for the space station. 
We want to treat this incrementally because both Prime Minister 
Chernomyrdin and at Helsinki a conversation between the 
President and President Yeltsin indicated that the Russian 
leadership does indeed intend to fulfill their obligations.
    We would like to see that happen. We very much want to see 
that happen, so we are going to make our moves as required to 
maintain the station's integrity, but we will make them 
incrementally rather than some sudden decision to walk away 
from Russia or some other, I would call it a draconian move.
    So our first move is to put a little postponement--well, 
not a little, about 6 months of postponement into the launch 
sequence of the elements of the station. Second, to provide 
some funding to assist in the preparation of an alternative way 
to maintain the station's elements in orbit as it is assembled.
    This would cause perhaps a $200 million investment which 
Administrator Goldin feels he can provide from internal funds 
within NASA, the largest portion of them being the fact that he 
has so increased the efficiency of the shuttle program that 
there are underruns in this year that could provide funds 
without any sacrifice in safety with respect to providing some 
of this funding. It would need funding some this year and some 
next year.
    So we are in close negotiations and discussions, of course, 
with the Russians on this matter. We would like to move 
incrementally. We believe we can do it from within the NASA 
budget framework, but that is still a matter to be worked out.

                             SPACE PROGRAMS

    Senator Mikulski. Well, Dr. Gibbons, first of all I do not 
doubt the technical competency of the Russians and would rely 
on our scientific and administrative teams to evaluate this. I 
think the condition, the situation in which we find ourselves 
within the Congress makes the international space station 
coalition a bit vulnerable. I do not say it is fragile, and I 
do not say it is brittle, but I think that there is a very 
serious question about whether that commitment, the Russian 
commitment can be made.
    We understand the Russian contractors themselves would 
rather be doing direct business with us than going through 
their own country because of the hard currency and actually 
cash on delivery, and there is question that if we have saved 
$200 million in efficiency, then No. 1, why should not the 
American space program, the other aspects, benefit?
    You know, we have been through a hard time with buyouts and 
drawdowns, all of those anxiety issues that you and I have had 
excellent conversations on, and I am very concerned about the 
future of the station because every year Senator Bond and I and 
others and our colleagues in the House have to mount a vigorous 
battle to save it.

                        SAFETY OF SPACE PROGRAM

    I think these are the kinds of things surrounding the 
debate that could make the viability of the votes in--I would 
not say danger, but I think it could move to a danger zone very 
quickly, so I really caution the administration that they will 
really need to step forward here and tell us where we are 
going, recognizing the delicate international situation.
    But we cannot place any American at risk either through 
underfunding the shuttle, any American at risk in space without 
an evacuation vehicle, and No. 2, that for all of our benefits 
in trying to make NASA faster, quicker, cheaper, et cetera, 
that then we do not benefit from it in another way, but that 
the benefits go to the Russians.
    Dr. Gibbons. I firmly agree with that, Senator. I think we 
must assure that our safety record be maintained. You know, the 
President asked for a review of the shuttle safety system, and 
an independent and very expert group did have a look at it and 
they are satisfied with the process that Administrator Goldin 
has gone through in the shuttle operations.
    I tend to think of shuttle and space station both as very 
much our human space flight, center of investment in human 
space flight, and that in the prime protection here must be 
that the safety be assured. In no way will we want to sacrifice 
any of the safety moves on the shuttle or the shuttle upgrades, 
which I think would be a good way to invest some of this 
efficiency, but neither do we want to take away from our space 
science work in order to do this.
    Senator Mikulski. That is right.
    Dr. Gibbons. So we have to be very careful which Peter we 
rob to pay Paul.
    Senator Mikulski. But you see, I do not want anybody to be 
robbed, because we feel we had a deal and the deal is not there 
any more.
    Dr. Gibbons. That is right.
    Senator Mikulski. So now we are providing, kind of like--I 
do not want this to be like a space savings and loan bailout 
here.
    Dr. Gibbons. That is why I was pleased that the President 
spoke specifically with Mr. Yeltsin about this issue in 
Helsinki.
    Senator Mikulski. I am going to yield back to the chairman 
and we will come back to the National Science Foundation. As 
both the House and the Senate move on their appropriations and 
this particular subcommittee I think we really need to have 
clarity and specificity about where we are going, and what is 
this cost to us for the involvement, and what would be the cost 
if we did not provide this backup.
    But anyway, thank you.
    Dr. Gibbons. Thank you.
    Senator Mikulski. I think you would agree this is a big 
deal.
    Senator Bond. Oh, this is one of many very important things 
we need to cover.

                           STRATEGIC RESEARCH

    Let me move on again and ask Dr. Lane, Senator Mikulski 
several years ago called for the National Science Foundation to 
increase its investment in strategic research, and NSF came 
back to us identifying certain areas of strategic areas of high 
national priority. These included high performance computing 
and communications, biotechnology, global climate change, 
manufacturing materials, civil infrastructure systems, et 
cetera.
    I note that the fiscal year 1998 budget request contains no 
discussion nor funding profiles for these strategic areas, and 
they are not included in the NSF's list of highlights and 
priorities. What happened to them? What were the outcomes of 
the investments in these strategic areas, and what happened to 
all these strategic areas?
    Dr. Lane. Mr. Chairman, Senator Mikulski, NSF is continuing 
to support these strategic areas and, in fact, they are 
incorporated throughout the budget request, even though they 
are not highlighted or pulled together, as you have pointed 
out. They really have become part of our day-to-day activities. 
For the most part they came from the bottom up, out of the 
research interests and capabilities of the community in ways 
that most of the outstanding research disciplines and cross-
discipline areas do.
    In some cases they were coordinated across many agencies so 
as to take advantage of the fact that other agencies than NSF 
could contribute in one or another of these areas, and it is 
important to make the larger investment greater than the sum of 
the parts. Such areas as global change and high performance 
computing and communications come to mind. We have expanded 
some of our areas, and I will be a little more specific here in 
just 1 second, in what we think are particularly timely 
directions.
    One area that is highlighted in this budget request--it is 
our highest priority for new investment and research--is 
something we call knowledge and distributed intelligence. It 
has a high overlap with high performance computing and 
communications, but what it really does is pull in much of the 
human side and much of what we learned about learning, about 
human learning, about animal learning, machine learning, 
putting it all together to try to move the whole computing 
networking, communication, and other aspects of information 
technology, one whole leap forward.
    It is a very exciting area for us. It has an infrastructure 
aspect to it. It has a large multidisciplinary research 
challenge associated with it, and it is very much highlighted. 
As I pointed out, it does overlap substantially with high 
performance computing and communications.
    We continue to place high emphasis on our other strategic 
areas such as biotechnology, manufacturing, and materials. Just 
to give you an example of some of these areas, they are all--
the amounts that we continue to track within the Foundation 
cutting across the budget--are all well above what they were at 
the time of my arrival in fiscal year 1993 and our discussions 
in fiscal year 1994. In particular, for 1998 our support for 
environmental and natural resources, including global change, 
goes up by almost $10 million.
    HPCC, a part of knowledge and distributed intelligence, 
goes up by $16 million. There is over a $4-million increase in 
biotechnology, almost $3 million increase in materials, and 
over $20 million in science, math, engineering, and technology 
education.
    So as we talked a couple of years ago, Senator, about the 
evolving nature of strategic areas, you made very clear to me 
in our early discussions and in hearings that one would expect 
these areas to evolve. Some will mature, some will simply 
become a part of the larger program, others will change their 
character to take advantage of new technologies, new 
capabilities of the scientists and engineers, and that is what 
NSF is about.
    We still have in place at the Foundation, a high level 
management committee called the Senior Management Integration 
Group. It exists in order to bring the Assistant Directors of 
the Foundation and the other office heads together to deal on a 
regular basis with all kinds of crosscutting activities in 
research and education, including these areas.
    Senator Bond. Dr. Lane, if you will excuse me, that may be 
a little more about frogs than we want to know.
    Dr. Lane. Oh, I am sorry, sir.

                              GOAL SETTING

    Senator Bond. The problem that we have, since we have a 
very brief acquaintance with science quite a few years ago, we 
need to be able to understand better what it is you are setting 
out to do, and the progress you are making.
    When you come up with a whole new set of schemes and ideas 
and come forth with a brand new program, they all sound good to 
us, but as we proceed in the budget process we have to have a 
more definable area as to what your focus is going to be, how 
you know whether you are making progress in that area, and so 
we can when challenged on the floor tell our colleagues that 
here are the high priority areas, and this is the progress.
    I know in basic research it may be 20 years before you come 
to a final result, but we had better be able to find some way 
to explain to lay persons, who at least 99 out of the 100 are, 
whether we have made any progress. Are we getting there?
    We are most impressed with and supportive of the scientific 
skills and knowledge you bring, but in the budget process we 
need specific things like an ability to say, well, we are 
getting these results. This, I think, is a problem that we 
face.
    We need to have a common framework of projected goals that 
you can explain to us in simple enough terms that we can 
understand and share with our colleagues, and so next year when 
you come back you can tell us either, (a) we met the 
milestones, we met the guideposts, or (b) we didn't, and here 
is why not.
    I would welcome any comments you might have. How can you 
tell us in concrete, definable terms what it is you are doing?

                    MEASURING THE IMPACT OF RESEARCH

    Dr. Gibbons. I might just add a vignette. I think as you 
understand, and Neal Lane has pointed out, the closer you get 
to the fundamental science the tougher it is to do this thing. 
You can look at the number of Noble Prizes, you can look at 
citation indexes in peer-review journals, you can look even 
farther back at that stream or flow of research into satisfying 
national needs and concerns, and all those look like pretty 
good numbers. The question is, how can one put this in a 
tighter framework?
    There are some areas, for instance in the development of 
supercomputers, in which goals have been set. The teraflop was 
a goal that was established. Just last year it was met and 
exceeded ahead of schedule, if anything, so there are those 
particular areas where one can identify and put down a marker 
and then measure against it in a much clearer way.
    I think there are some interesting markers coming up, for 
instance, that have not yet been defined, but one marker is can 
we continue this extraordinary improvement in semiconductors 
and microelectronics called Moore's Law, which says roughly 
every 3 years you have the cost of the chips, and the question 
is, how long can we continue that before we run into some real 
limits of science, and, therefore, what are the areas of 
science most needing advancement in order to be able to 
continue on that curve?

                                  GPRA

    Senator Bond. Dr. Lane, did you want to comment on that?
    Dr. Lane. Yes, Mr. Chairman. Let me add that we really 
think this is how we should be thinking about the results act 
for the investments that are made in science and engineering by 
the National Science Foundation. We need to be able to identify 
clearly stated objectives that we can agree on which will 
provide a basis to evaluate how well we are doing, and we, in 
fact, are working on that very hard. It is not so easy to do.
    Perhaps it is not easy for anyone to do, but it is 
particularly challenging in the area of fundamental research, 
where quantitative measures are not likely to be very helpful, 
and where even qualitative descriptions might only provide 
guidance over some period of time.
    So for example in our budget, we report examples of major 
advances in one or another field of science, any of which 
overlap. Biotechnology for example, where plant communication 
and response to attack is an interesting area. Our progress on 
unraveling the genome of Arabidopsis, a little mustard plant, 
makes progress here.
    There is much that we could have described about materials 
and manufacturing and many other areas. That is our challenge, 
to try to identify a descriptor that will satisfy your needs 
and our needs to measure our progress.
    Senator Bond. Clearly I do not have the ability--I speak of 
myself--to establish clearly what the milestones and guideposts 
are, but we need to have those from you in ascertainable terms 
because I assume that you do not just throw money out in the 
hope that 20 years later something good is going to come out of 
it. There has got to be some kind of measure, and that has to 
be explainable.
    That may be the toughest thing explaining it to people like 
me, but to continue to support it we have got to have that kind 
of promise, performance, and report on the progress.
    Senator Mikulski.
    Senator Mikulski. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. You have really 
covered my questions on both the strategic initiatives and the 
so-called Government Performance and Results Act, known as 
results act, so I will not go over that ground.
    I just want to affirm that my position is that Government 
is not involved in commercial research, and so I am going to be 
very clear when we talk about strategic research that 
Government really helps by both directing and then leveraging 
in other areas the precompetitive research, the basic 
knowledge, but that we are organized around these strategic 
goals which we know this century demands.

                       YEAR 2000 COMPUTER DILEMMA

    However, I do believe that both the Office of Science and 
Technology and NSF could play a role in solving a juggernaut 
problem that is presenting itself to us, and that is, what 
happens to all the computers in the world when we hit 2000, the 
so-called year 2000?
    I wonder, as part of the science and technology role, and 
then really where so much information technology is developed 
through the NSF and I believe NIST have really been the two 
agencies most responsive, what is the White House role and the 
NSF role in working to come up with a solution that has 
enormous ramifications for not only the public sector but the 
private sector, or should we say do it the American way and 
offer a $1 billion, or a prize to anybody in America that comes 
up with it?
    Dr. Gibbons. That is the best idea I have heard in a long 
time on that issue, Senator, the one you just mentioned. I 
would like to respond to that, but may I do just a postscript 
on this assessing outcomes of research, because I think it is 
really important.
    There are two things I should have mentioned to you. First 
is that the National Science and Technology Council, with OSTP 
and Neal Lane's direct involvement, completed a study last year 
called Assessing Fundamental Science. We are now using that 
report with the agencies in their preparation for the GPRA, so 
we hope we are sharing wisdom across the agencies.
    The second point I should have mentioned is that at the end 
of each of the chapters in our biannual report on science and 
technology is a discussion of the accomplishments over the 
previous 2 years, so it gives at least a benchmark for that 
progress.
    Now, with respect to the year 2000 issue, which is what 
happens when you get the double zeros and the computers do not 
know what to do about it, there is going to be no magic bullet, 
but it was a uniformly missed concern in programmers throughout 
the years in thousands of different programs about how to 
handle the double zero. Each program has to be reviewed 
technically, so across Government as well as the private sector 
there is a sharing of experience.

            ROLE WHITE HOUSE HAS IN SOLVING YEAR 2000 ISSUE

    Senator Mikulski. Are you all taking the lead? In other 
words, who is taking the lead?
    Dr. Gibbons. Well, the lead within the White House I 
believe is both the National Economic Council and OMB because 
it is more a business and programming issue than it is a 
science issue.
    Honestly, it is not a science issue. It is an issue of 
having not thought very well in advance about these programs as 
we get to the millennium.
    Senator Mikulski. Where is the solution going to come from?
    Dr. Gibbons. The solution is going to come--Neal may have a 
special one for you, but I would say the solution is going to 
come from a number of innovative approaches to fixing these 
programs and records so that there will be minimum problems as 
we cross the millennium. It is happening all over the world. It 
is not just a U.S. issue.
    Dr. Lane. Excuse me. May I add a comment, Senator?
    Senator Mikulski. Yes.

                            YEAR 2000 ISSUES

    Dr. Lane. There are millions of lines of computer code all 
around in businesses and governments, and somewhere buried in 
there is a statement that deals with this issue of how to 
handle the flipover, and it has not been dealt with in much of 
that code. There really is no magic way to get into all of 
that. We are focusing with OMB in making sure that our agency 
does not have any problems, and I am assured by my Chief 
Information Officer that we are on schedule with that, but it 
really is not a research problem. It is not an area where the 
National Science Foundation or other Federal agencies can 
somehow support research that will take care of it.
    All of us who deal with computers are just going to have to 
find these problems before the time happens.
    Senator Mikulski. I find these answers dismaying, 
gentlemen. Everywhere I go in my own State and even outside, 
talking with people, this is one of the No. 1 issues facing 
business, Government, academic centers, et cetera, what is 
going to happen with this so-called flipover, as you said, that 
could throw us into chaos, and there is enormous concern from 
the private sector about this.
    I can go on where the concerns are, and just as there has 
been a missing of the problem, there seems to be a missing of 
the solution, and I am somewhat surprised--I do not know if my 
colleague shares it--that there is not a one-stop shop within 
our own Government that wants to take the leadership in helping 
deal with this issue, and it might not be research, but I do 
not know, then, what it is.
    To say it is a business problem, it has horrendous 
implications for national defense, our encryption, our 
banking--it goes on. I could name so many different sectors, 
and frankly, I think this is where the United States should be 
playing a role in global leadership and global cooperation.
    I know it is a global problem because computers are global, 
but if we are going to have all these, let us wire schools, and 
let us do Kid Net, College Net and so on, unless we deal with 
the year 2000 issue we are truly going to be in a global 
meltdown.
    Dr. Gibbons. Senator, I agree with your statement of the 
importance and the pervasiveness of this problem. The 
frustration is, as Dr. Lane points out, it is buried in some, 
however, mundane computer line codes down in all of these 
various programs. Each agency--for instance, the Department of 
Defense, Social Security----
    Senator Mikulski. Are you telling me each agency is going 
to have to solve its own problem, that each business is going 
to have to solve its own problem?
    Dr. Gibbons. They are going to have to solve their own 
problems, but hopefully we will be able to share, and this is 
where I would like to pick up on your comment, share on each 
other's experience, and I promise you that when I get back to 
my office this afternoon I will look into the extent to which 
appropriate sharing of innovative ideas or progress is being 
made.
    I have not focused on this recently, but you have gotten my 
attention for sure.

                           YEAR 2000 FLIPOVER

    Dr. Lane. I am aware that OMB has thought through the 
phases of activity, advising all of the agencies to go through 
this process, and they are scheduled for that, and we are on 
that schedule. I am sorry that I do not have those things with 
me today, but OMB is at least playing a very important role 
here.
    Senator Mikulski. What role do you play?
    Dr. Lane. Our role is to ensure that we follow those 
guidelines and make our whole system work.
    Senator Mikulski. Are you helping to write the guidelines? 
In your testimony, Dr. Lane, you talk about how you are one of 
the premier agencies in funding information technology 
knowledge and sharing your networking and micro this and 
parallel that, and I am not minimizing this. I do not want this 
to be a cranky hearing, but if you aren't, then what the agency 
is, are you in the room? Are you helping them solve the 
problems? Is there a sense of urgency? Is there a collaboration 
here, or is it OMB?
    I know--you know, I really do not feel comfortable with OMB 
being the lead agency. They are management and budget of this, 
and given the way every single agency in the Federal Government 
that even buys information technology squanders its resources, 
we have no leadership advising the agency on what they should 
even buy now.

               NEED FOR BETTER COMMUNICATION/COORDINATION

    We could go to IRS, we could go through every--the veterans 
and what they buy, et cetera. So do we need a White House Chief 
Information Officer that does all that and tells these agencies 
what to do? That is another topic.
    But now, there is one issue that the world knows that it 
will face, that there will come a year 2000, and all of the 
computers in the world are going to have a problem, every 
single computer in the world is going to have a problem, and 
all dependent on it are going to have a problem. Well, maybe 
not every single--I mean, you are shaking your head.
    You know, I am a generalist here. I am on five 
Appropriations Committees. I am on two other committees. We 
work on FDA reform. We really rely on you.
    But I am really relying on the United States of America to 
have (1) a sense of urgency, (2) a one-stop shop that we are 
coordinating this, that this is not a management issue, it is a 
serious technology issue, and the guidance that we can offer 
the world and that we can gain from other thinkers in the world 
I think is absolutely crucial, and obviously the sense of 
urgency I feel from the private sector and other local and 
State government agencies is not what is felt.
    Do you share this view or not?
    Senator Bond. Senator Mikulski, when we talk about computer 
technology my lack of knowledge is infinite, and as one who 
still relies on a Rolodex----
    Senator Mikulski. And under Moore's law, that will multiply 
manyfold.
    Senator Bond. Well, I carry these things around, so really 
my own personal life is not going to be much more difficult if 
I get to 2000, because I will just get a brandnew card with the 
knowledge on it, but from my very limited understanding----
    Senator Mikulski. But it is going to say 1900.
    Senator Bond. Not mine. Not mine. [Laughter.]

                       YEAR 2000 FLIPOVER ISSUES

    Let me ask you two gentlemen to collaborate and do one 
thing for the ranking member and me. It seemed to me--this is a 
humongous problem that is going to afflict everybody who uses 
computers, generations younger than me and those who are into 
the computer age.
    It would seem to me that this is a problem in applied 
technology and programming that is not rocket science but it is 
very complicated real time technological unscrambling of 
something that has been scrambled.
    There may be some high-level scientific input that is 
appropriate, but it seems to me that there may be a technology 
body or a technology focus that would be the appropriate one to 
coordinate the efforts, that it may be a different level of 
science, and rather than continuing it, if you would all just 
send us a very brief memo, two pages, who is going to do it and 
what you see as the resources and needs on it. We would like to 
have something.
    [The information follows:]


                      Year 2000 Computer Concerns
    There appears to be no generic solution to the Year 2000 problem. 
The reason is to be found in the economics of and practices used in the 
early days of widespread computer use.
    In order to save on what was then very expensive memory (which in 
the mid sixties cost about $1/byte, compared to the present cost of 
roughly $0.000005/byte, which equals $5/megabyte), many business and 
other systems coded the year as two bytes or in some cases at two 
digits in one byte. This served immediate purposes well and at an 
acceptable cost. The standard procedure for determining which year is 
earlier consists of subtracting the old year from the new and testing 
to see if the result is positive. Once again, to speed up the operation 
on relatively slow computers or to save memory, many codes did this 
``in line'', i. e. the instructions were imbedded in the instruction 
stream to be used whenever needed. Such calculations could occur dozens 
of times in a business system.
    An additional problem arises because of how many ``legacy systems'' 
were programmed. In the 1960's and 1970's many applications were coded 
in assembly language, specific to a given processor type. The primary 
reason for this was to obtain maximum performance on slow systems. 
Difficulties in addressing problems arise because this kind of code is 
difficult to interpret or read. Further, in many cases, the processors 
in question no longer exist, although the code is still running by 
emulating old processors on new ones. Moreover, many organizations did 
not put into place adequate means for maintaining software.
    This complexity and diversity is what stands in the way of a 
broadly applicable procedure for resolving the Year 2000 problem. The 
result is that in legacy systems many of the problem sections 
associated with the date comparison must be found by hand in a 
laborious fashion and the results tested as comprehensively as 
possible. Such actions will, in the case of more modern software, 
especially that produced by third parties and widely used on standard 
architectures, be easier to fix.

                             GENOME STUDIES

    Senator Bond. But let me move from these wonderful broad 
generalities down to the specific. I mentioned the corn genome 
project. We have had tremendous growth in technology in 
agriculture, more food, healthier food, less expensive, more 
nutritious, and we are going to continue to need to do that 
with more people on less land.
    One hundred years ago, 60 percent of our population was 
engaged in providing food. Now, maybe 2 to 3 percent is. An 
acre that produced food for one person in 1960 now produces 
food for two and one-half today, and biotechnology, plant 
genetics and specifically, I believe, carrying the work from 
the mustard plant on to the corn plant is going to be one of 
the significant steps that we take that will benefit all of 
agriculture.
    We know that Japan is deeply involved in mapping the rice 
genome, and rice may be appropriate for them, but when they get 
the mapping done on the rice genome they are going to be in a 
very significant competitive position to expand that into other 
grains, and it seems to me that No. 1, I know there are a 
number of groups in the private sector, there are a number of 
disparate efforts underway on this project.
    I would like to have your honest opinion, and if you think 
I am wrong, please tell me. I promise no retaliation. I just 
want to know, is this from a scientific standpoint as 
significant an effort as I believe it is? If so, what role 
should the NSF and Government science play in this?
    If it is important, what is the best way to organize it and 
manage it so that all of the different efforts are brought 
together in a consistent and productive and complementary 
fashion?
    Let me start with Dr. Gibbons and go to Dr. Lane.
    Dr. Gibbons. Mr. Chairman, I applaud your interest in this. 
The whole food genome is now, in the current decade, ripe for 
major advances in understanding, and I think we have a lot of 
lessons to learn from the human genome project, which is 
working very well. It is achieving its goals. It is reducing 
dramatically the cost of sequencing and the like, so other 
things become less costly than they would have been.
    At the same time, in approaching corn, which presently is 
mostly the subject of research at USDA--I think they are doing 
the majority of the work at this point--corn has to be taken in 
the context of the other grasses, because you might learn 
faster and cheaper about corn by working on some of the grass. 
We are not quite sure.
    So I would suggest that we push ahead on this notion of the 
food genome program, which would inherently be best done as a 
multiagency activity. Presumably USDA leads, but we know that 
NSF, USDA, Department of Energy, all are, and obviously the 
health agencies, are all pretty well working together now, and 
if we could focus this and take the best of the capabilities of 
each of these agencies in a food genome program, that would be 
the best way to get there.
    I do not think we can do it, as I think you intimate, with 
existing funds. It will probably take some additional 
commitment of funding to do this.
    Senator Bond. Dr. Lane.
    Dr. Lane. Mr. Chairman, I also commend your interest in 
this area. Undoubtedly, understanding the genomes of plants is 
going to continue to be very important for agriculture.

                       ARABIDOPSIS GENOME PROJECT

    Let me say a word about why we have focused on the mustard 
plant, arabidopsis. There are very good reasons for it. First 
of all, how are we doing it? It is an international project. 
There is an international steering committee that we are 
involved with in countries in the European Union, United 
Kingdom, France, and in Asia, Japan, working together on this.
    Why did we choose this mustard plant? Well, one of the 
unique things about this plant is that its genome is the 
smallest, as far as we know, of any flowering plant. So, if we 
can sequence the genes in this plant we can gain the tools and 
the understanding that will then enable us to do things with 
other plants, to transfer properties, and in time to realize 
the benefits over a larger class of important food plants and 
other plants that benefit people.
    How much simpler? Well, the genome size is 100 million base 
pairs. For corn and for humans the number is approximately 3 
billion base pairs, so corn, while I think corn is terrific, 
and it does not look a lot like a human, on the other hand it 
has got this extraordinarily complex genome.
    So our approach is to understand a plant that replicates 
itself very fast and that flowers rapidly. It is not of any 
commercial value, so an international partnership is very easy 
to form. Nobody is worried about intellectual property on the 
mustard plant, and the partnership has worked extremely well.
    The tools we get from that plant are going to help us in 
many, many ways in trying to understand the genomes of corn and 
wheat and barley and rice, and I agree with Dr. Gibbons that 
the way to get at some of these others is through many 
agencies' involvement and perhaps international activities, 
where we can forge those partnerships.
    We think that our investment is the right way for NSF now. 
It is an active partnership that ought to deliver the full 
genome for arabidopsis around the year 2002. We are requesting 
about $3 million in 1998 to continue this work. It is being 
carried out by a couple of consortia, one of which involves 
Washington University in St. Louis, and one organization doing 
this work is the Institute for Genomic Research in Maryland.
    Senator Bond. Those are very well chosen examples. 
[Laughter.]
    Nice target on the examples. [Laughter.]
    Dr. Lane. It really turns out that there are two consortia 
and two institutions. One of the consortia involves Missouri, 
and one of the institutions is in Maryland, so I just think it 
shows there is wisdom in those States at least. [Laughter.]
    Senator Bond. I am always struck by your farsightedness and 
your intuitive sense of what is important. [Laughter.]

                   FUNDING FOR AGRICULTURAL RESEARCH

    As we speak, the Under Secretary for Research Education is 
testifying before the Agricultural Appropriations Committee, 
and I intend to submit a question over there asking whether 
funding should be included in the fund for rural America 
instead of excluding it, but there are a couple of points I 
guess I ought to make.
    We talked abut the USDA, and I have supported much USDA 
research, but applied practical research on things like dealing 
with soybean nematodes, some practical applications, and the 
Food & Agricultural Policy Research Institute does economic 
research. The fescue problems in feeding cattle are really the 
strong point of research in the USDA.
    But we know that there is currently research going on in 
this area, and what I am concerned about is that there is 
significant resources being put in piecemeal. There are 
uncoordinated, underfunded, proprietary limits. There is some 
redundancy. It is unfocused.
    Now, I recognize and I strongly support that private 
funding should be utilized extensively to the greatest extent 
possible, but there ought to be some way through your agency or 
agencies that progress, or the paths could be coordinated so 
that at least someone would have an idea of where progress is 
being made.

                      POTENTIAL CORN GENOME STUDY

    The reason that we focus on corn, and I recognize that it 
is a second step, or something like it is a second step after 
the mustard plant, is that it is our highest value crop. It is 
our most exported crop. Scientists say that of the cereal crops 
it makes the most scientific sense to begin with corn. That is 
what the experts have told us, that you ought to begin with 
corn because you can move from there.
    They have told me that doing corn would yield the most 
information on other cereals, and the industry itself is coming 
forward with a business plan and they are willing to bring in 
resources and organize major funding for it, but if it is more 
appropriate to begin a 5-year plan to map the genomes of other 
cereals, if that makes more scientific sense, please let us 
know.

                    REQUEST FOR INTERAGENCY MEETING

    I would ask--maybe Dr. Gibbons you would be the appropriate 
one--if you and your staff could arrange an interagency meeting 
with the appropriate agencies and departments, including NSF 
and Energy and Agriculture and NIH, to lay out not only for us 
but for all those who are interested in what an appropriate 
strategy would be.
    Scientifically, how can we make the most progress where 
there will be benefits to agriculture and to all of us who 
enjoy the benefits of agriculture--i.e., we eat--in this area, 
the mapping of the genome, whether it is corn or whether it is 
all cereals, and give us a game plan that we can understand and 
that the private sector can relate to, provide input to, and 
provide assistance and research.
    Is this something that would be appropriate for you or for 
the NSF?
    Dr. Gibbons. Absolutely. I would be pleased to put together 
an interagency working group on this, Senator, and get as early 
as possible feedback to you on an interim basis of what we 
would suggest as the most appropriate and efficient way of 
going about this as a Federal family, also keeping in mind that 
we should look for partnerships with the private sector and 
perhaps the States on this as well.
    Senator Bond. Well, clearly there will be just for one 
example the University of Missouri has a very well recognized 
program, Food for the 21st century, which has brought together 
tremendous scientists with plant biotechnology skills and the 
universities and the State government has supported it very 
strongly.
    I think that there are resources out there. You are the 
ones to take the lead in identifying how to use those 
resources.
    Dr. Lane, a comment on that?
    Dr. Lane. Mr. Chairman, I do not know what the right thing 
to do here is. I think the outcome is very important. It may 
well be that we need to understand the series of grasses 
better. After we go from the mustard plant, then it might be 
that an intermediate step before going to a genome as 
complicated as corn is the proper strategy, but I am not sure.
    I think we certainly look forward to participating with 
other agencies in this discussion and getting the best advice 
of the scientists in the country, and then there is excellent 
fundamental research to be done here, and NSF would expect to 
be part of it.

                        FUTURE OF GENOME STUDIES

    Senator Bond. Could you give me an idea--it is going to be 
done by somebody somewhere. A cereal is going to be--the genome 
is going to be mapped. What are the benefits? What will happen? 
What do you see as the likely area of benefits when the job is 
done for something more complicated than the mustard plant, 
whether it be the rice genome in Japan, or a cereal genome 
here? What is likely to come from it?
    Dr. Gibbons. Well, it is very hazardous to make guesses on 
areas like this, but I am getting old enough to not be worried 
that much about it, so let me make a few guesses.
    Senator Bond. Good. Good. Nobody will hold it against you 
if you miss this one.
    Dr. Gibbons. Corn probably has at least one-half as many 
genes in it as people do. It is a very complicated plant, but 
those genes do various things. They turn on and off things. 
They make various proteins that cause various things to happen, 
and if we could learn the structure of corn we can figure out 
from other research how we might be able to insert, for 
instance, the capability of corn--and these are going to be 
wild guesses, Senator, but sometimes it helps. How to insert a 
gene that would enable the corn to be even better in terms of 
its protein production. You know, corn is typically lysine 
short and maybe you could figure out how to get lysine in the 
corn.
    The second thing is how to maybe make corn perennial. There 
are primitive corn plants in Mexico that are perennial, and 
that would change very much the situation with respect to corn 
growing. It is a long shot, but that is a question.
    Another question could be corn that would attract microbes 
to its roots and enable it to fix nitrogen, like our legumes 
do.
    Senator Bond. Clover and legumes.
    Dr. Gibbons. These are wild stabs, but those are the sort 
of things one would look for after we come to understand the 
structure of the corn genes, their functions, and how one might 
be able to manipulate by bringing in certain special functions 
into the corn genome.
    Senator Bond. One of the items suggested to me was by 
making corn more digestible you would make it a more efficient 
feed for cattle and eliminate the environmental problems which 
always draw laughs on the floor of the Senate when discussed as 
being a significant environmental problem as a result of the 
indigestibility of corn that is fed to many of the herds.
    Dr. Lane, any thoughts that you would like to offer on the 
higher noble uses of the corn genome?
    Dr. Lane. Well, Mr. Chairman, I think the examples that Dr. 
Gibbons gave are excellent ones, and we will want to check back 
down the road to see how well he did.
    Dr. Gibbons. Uh-oh.
    Dr. Lane. I think an obvious thing that we are interested 
in, in the cases of all valuable and useful plants, is disease-
resistance, and we want to be able to make these plants 
disease-resistant in a way that has the least damaging 
environmental impact to the plant itself, other plants around, 
people, animals and so on, so it is a clear area in which I 
think researchers will be looking.
    I like chocolate a lot. I do not know if there is any way 
to change that substance.
    Senator Bond. If you could make it less fattening, I am 
with you on that one. We will have a special set-aside if you 
find a solution to that one. [Laughter.]
    I do not want to get into your business, but if you give me 
a promising area there we will steal money from some place to 
make that happen, to make that nonnutritive but delectable.

                      EXAMINATION OF GOAL SETTINGS

    Let me just ask, let me go back to my questions about what 
we are doing, and how we are going to get there. There are two 
things you have talked about, knowledge and distributed 
intelligence, and life and Earth's environment. Would you try 
to explain to me briefly what you are doing in each of those 
initiatives, why you chose them, and precisely what mile 
markers, guideposts you will set out for us to tell us whether 
you have been successful in the progress that you propose or 
expect in these two areas?
    Dr. Lane. Mr. Chairman, if I could just make a comment, I 
would like my colleague, Dr. Joe Bordogna, who is Deputy 
Director of the Foundation, to add his comments. He chairs the 
senior staff group that, in fact, developed the programs in 
these interdisciplinary areas, and I would like to get his 
comment on those.
    There are two things about them. First, the research that 
falls within the interdisciplinary areas really does arise out 
of the community. It comes from what scientists are interested 
in and what they can do, and the advances that they have made 
in recent years.
    What they have begun to see is a commonality of interests 
across all fields of science in information, science and 
technology, and we are going to build on that because we see 
real benefits not only for the science itself but benefits of a 
more practical nature. Education clearly relates to these 
advanced technologies that are coming out of KDI.
    The second thing I would say in terms of the objectives and 
matrices that we will use is, we are working on those. Those 
will be a part for the long range of our strategic plan that is 
due to OMB this fall. The particular objectives for the fiscal 
year 1999 will be a part of the submission of the 1999 budget, 
as required by the act, so it is a work in progress, and we 
will give you as much information on how that is going as we 
can.
    Senator Bond. Do not bury me with information. Just give me 
something that is clearly understandable, because if I have to 
defend it on the floor I am not going to be able to give a \1/
2\-hour speech. I need to have just a simplified explanation of 
what it is all about, why it is important, and how we know we 
are getting there.
    Dr. Lane. Let me ask Dr. Bordogna to start.
    Senator Bond. That is very simple, and you have 90 seconds 
on each one. [Laughter.]

                 KNOWLEDGE AND DISTRIBUTED INTELLIGENCE

    Mr. Bordogna. We are not wedded to this term, knowledge and 
distributed intelligence. It is the moniker at the moment, 
because this is something at the edge of the knowledge base, 
but there are two pieces to it.
    Distributed intelligence is a term we use because we can 
now, more and more of us individually, access knowledge from 
any place, any time, anywhere. That is a strength the United 
States has. We would like to enable more people to be able to 
access it, and when they access this information it is more 
facile to get it.
    It is very complicated to interface with a machine now, or 
a keyboard. Wiring the school is good, but once you have the 
interface with the students, how can they access this 
information and learn from it better?
    The knowledge part means, can we create a whole new 
knowledge base for doing things differently? For example, in 
the strategic area of manufacturing, we have done a lot of 
things there the last several years to move that strategic area 
ahead. Five of the last six engineering research centers in the 
last couple of years deal with manufacturing.
    One of the key issues there is using information to make 
manufacturing less expensive to do, be more competitive in 
world markets. Can we, for example, take this Moore's Law that 
was talked about--yes, we can get more in a small space. That 
creates a new problem of packaging things better, and that 
needs a knowledge base for doing that.
    Manufacturing is done in many places from anywhere at any 
time, and having a broadbased infrastructure that is 
intelligent as well as having the Internet can be helpful for 
that.
    Another piece of this is what we call learning and 
intelligence systems. The idea there simply is, can we augment 
a capacity for each of us, at any level in life, not just 
professionals but everybody, to learn and create more 
efficiently? Can we work smarter in this? This is a key basis 
of distributed intelligence, increasing the knowledge base of 
everyone to do things better, including craftsman, carpenters, 
plumbers, and well as professional people.
    On the high end, we will do our research differently and 
more efficiently. We will share resources around the country.
    One of the problems we have in equipment now is that the 
equipment need to push back the frontiers of knowledge is 
increasingly expensive. You cannot have it repeated in many 
universities. We have to share this infrastructure equipment. 
Having a knowledge and distributed intelligence infrastructure 
will enable us and enable our clients, in a sense, the people 
we support, to share instrumentation, to be able to do their 
research better.
    A nice neat aspect of this is with regard to the EPSCoR 
effort. Many States and universities cannot afford the 
equipment needed, but with this kind of system they are going 
to be able to access it everywhere.
    We have a cute term called collaboratories, collaborative 
laboratories, collaborative meaning working together.
    All of this is coming together. We are trying to integrate 
all of that to lift the knowledge base to a level where people 
can work smarter, and a greater range of people can work 
smarter. We can also change, perhaps, the paradigm of 
education.
    One bottom line here is that life and society as we have 
known it so far is essentially entity-based, companies, 
schools, and so on. All of this is enabling this whole effort 
to be human-center based, where the individual is empowered 
better.
    So knowledge and distributed intelligence, in summary, is 
the ability to get knowledge anywhere, any place, at any time. 
The knowledge part lifts the knowledge level of everyone, and 
lets us work smarter. It provides a certain competitive 
advantage against the rest of the world, and it also enables 
progress in all the strategic areas that were listed in the 
last several years. It is going to help us move ahead.

                           SUCCESS INDICATORS

    Senator Bond. I agree that is noble. It is very important. 
Next year at this time how will we know if you have made 
progress in that area? How will we make sure that you have not 
just blown the money?
    Dr. Bordogna. Well, I will give you some examples. That is 
the best way to do it. Let us take manufacturing. Some 
strategic areas have been brought up. Let me relate it to that.
    Right now, the interagency effort in manufacturing, which 
is still extant, is into a new way of looking at manufacturing, 
and that is, now that we have distributed intelligence, now 
that we have a high-speed network, now that we can enable even 
small manufacturers to get access to the best ways of doing 
things, we can measure next year, whether new engineering 
research centers arise, for example, because of this effort.
    Five of the latest engineering research centers arose 
because of the strategic effort in manufacturing. We did not 
spend extra money. We reoriented the investment in engineering 
research programs to these new issues.
    Another example would be if we were able to take the wiring 
of the schools, for example, and we could see that students are 
learning better, that their scores are increasing, for example. 
These are measures of how to ensure that this infrastructure 
base is really moving us ahead.

                      LIFE AND EARTH'S ENVIRONMENT

    Senator Bond. All right. I would be interested to see, and 
I would ask you to submit for the record what you think these 
markers would be, and then suggest that next year we get a 
report on which of the markers have been achieved, or whatever 
markers there may be.
    Life and Earth's environment, just a quick synopsis of 
that. Not that it is not rather broad.
    Dr. Bordogna. We are trying to do two things here. One of 
the things that has happened over the past few years is that a 
lot of new knowledge has been created on how life is formed, 
where do we come from, and many, many venues of research. That 
is an important issue. We are at the cusp of learning a lot 
very, very fast.
    The environment is an issue. The environment is a concern 
because we have to live in it, and so on, so life in the 
environment on the Earth is an important issue for NSF, and we 
are trying to couple these two things.
    From an environmental point of view, we have really two 
issues there. One is to ensure that the environment is 
sustainable as we know it, that we can somehow get into a 
system of producing wealth while not impacting the environment 
obviously. We also want to be able make wealth out of that 
activity, however, so one of the issues we have a very serious 
interest in at NSF is how to avoid harm to the environment in 
the first place.
    It is a very technologically based kind of thing. Can we 
apply technologies to the processes that we use in life to 
create wealth and lift our standard of living, while at the 
same time creating businesses out of that so that it can be 
wealth created out of the idea of working with the environment.
    The bottom line here is that we are trying to connect the 
issues of where life has come from, understanding that well, 
with all of the ramifications that means for our progress and 
health and so on, with sustaining the environment so that we 
have a livable society.
    [The information follows:]
 
 NSF Initiatives in Knowledge and Distributed Intelligence (KDI) and 
                   Life and Earth's Environment (LEE)

    NSF's initiative in Knowledge and Distributed Intelligence (KDI) 
addresses the question of ``what's next for the computer-communications 
revolution?'' We have already seen advanced information technologies 
transform how research is conducted. We have glimpsed how they can 
dramatically improve teaching and learning in schools and classrooms at 
all levels of education. We have seen the Internet grow into a 
veritable global village. We have even seen a supercomputer crowned 
champion of chess.
    In fiscal year 1998, NSF plans to initiate its targeted KDI 
program. We will issue focused program solicitations in specific areas 
of research, based on workshops currently being held. In the first year 
of this program, NSF will support scientists and engineers, selected 
through the merit review process, to begin working in focused, 
multidisciplinary areas, on problems such as those described below. 
Through this first KDI competition, we will gain a better sense of the 
range and type of questions that researchers consider most pressing, 
while enabling researchers to begin working on those problems.
    After the first year of KDI, we should be able to show that NSF has 
indeed funded important research projects in this area. We should be 
able to describe, both generally and in detail, what those projects 
are, what they are setting out to accomplish, and what the priorities 
for research within KDI are. Through review of the merit review 
process, we should be able to show that the projects selected for 
funding are competitive and of very high quality. We will also be able 
to demonstrate the outputs of NSF's processes--numbers of proposals 
received, awards made and people involved, and lessons learned from the 
merit review process for the initial KDI competition. We will, however, 
not yet be able to identify what scientific or technical results have 
been achieved or even much about the training and educational results.
    In subsequent years, NSF should be able to show the accumulated 
research results from these awards, and link these to NSF's outcome 
goals. The initial awards made in fiscal year 1998 will be generating a 
stream of outputs and outcomes. Indeed, we are currently developing a 
new Web-based project reporting system that should allow us to collect 
much better information on direct outputs from awards. Even then, 
however, many of the truly important ``outcomes'' of KDI--the knowledge 
gained, the training of scientists and engineers, and the education of 
students--may still be years off.
    The challenge for KDI is to develop new ways to manage and make 
productive use of the flood of information released by these emerging 
technologies. To address this challenge, we need first to create new 
ways of collecting, transforming, representing, sharing and using 
information. We need to develop ways of modeling complex systems, 
managing vast amounts of data, and merging data and models. We need to 
effectively harness these new technologies to improve education. In 
short, we need to mobilize them for the benefit of society.
    NSF's KDI initiative will lay the scientific and technical base for 
these next steps. It will address a wide range of highly complex issues 
such as:
  --New technologies such as satellite and airborne sensors, and 
        automated or remotely-operated sampling stations are generating 
        an explosion of geospacial information. Integration of this 
        data is necessary to proceed with multidisciplinary research on 
        problems such as environmental phenomena (e.g. the Ozone Hole), 
        and using real-time data to understand and predict storms.
  --Taxonomists are building a Web-linked network to share databases, 
        and to analyze and identify specimens. A major challenge they 
        face is managing and coordinating the amount and complexity of 
        information. However, the availability of quick and accurate 
        taxonomic identification would be valuable for uses ranging 
        from agricultural extension agents encountering a new weed, to 
        customs officials interdicting imports of new biological 
        materials, to geologists searching marine cores for fossils 
        indicative of petroleum deposits.
  --Systems as dissimilar as an economic market, the brain, and large 
        computer networks have this in common: information is widely 
        distributed throughout the system, and no identifiable entity 
        coordinates the information or makes decisions. Yet, this 
        information is somehow coordinated and focused into sensible 
        outcomes. Researchers in disciplines ranging from economics to 
        neuroscience to mathematics and computer science currently 
        study these types of systems separately. Collaboration may 
        reveal similarities in how these systems function, and hence 
        how to improve system performance.
  --Most simulations of complex phenomena generate vast volumes of 
        numeric data. Whether these simulations address natural 
        processes--the collapse of a star, global weather patterns, 
        groundwater flow, or the function of the nervous system--or 
        engineering or social processes--the management of electrical 
        power networks, fluid flow around an airplane, or the behavior 
        of financial markets--the phenomena are too complicated to be 
        understood either by simple observation or by reduction to 
        isolated components. The only hope of extracting useful 
        information from those volumes of data depends on visualization 
        techniques that are beyond current capabilities.
    NSF's initiative in Life and Earth's Environment (LEE) seeks to 
increase understanding of the mutual interdependence among Earth's 
lifeforms and the environments that affect and sustain them. LEE builds 
on the exciting new discoveries regarding how lifeforms originate and 
flourish in a diverse range of environments. These discoveries have 
challenged traditional conceptions of the origins and conditions for 
life. LEE also focuses on the interactions between lifeforms and the 
environments they inhabit, ranging from desolate parts of the world 
where few lifeforms survive to urban complexes dominated by human 
activity to tropical forests where flora and fauna abound.
    NSF initiated its targeted LEE program in fiscal year 1997 by 
enhancing existing programs in areas such as global change, natural 
hazard reduction, and the NSF-EPA Environmental Partnership. Fiscal 
year 1997 also saw the conduct of a special competition focusing on 
Life in Extreme Environments (LExEn). During fiscal year 1998, NSF 
plans to continue these efforts and to expand its coordination 
activities. A set of workshops and studies will be held to stimulate 
identification of new lines of inquiry, and special competitions 
focused on urban environments will be held. NSF also will encourage the 
development of new educational approaches that will initially focus on 
life and Earth's environment but that ultimately will be useful in 
improving science and engineering knowledge for people at all levels 
across a broad range of topics.
    Looking beyond fiscal year 1998, NSF will encourage increased 
interdisciplinary work to address a set of integrating themes 
associated with Life and Earth's Environment. Through the merit review 
process, NSF will identify those projects for which potential 
contributions in expanding and disseminating knowledge are especially 
great. As with KDI, we will be ale to demonstrate the output of NSF's 
merit review process, but it will take a decade or longer for the 
ultimate outputs and outcomes of NSF's investments to become clear. The 
new Web-based project reporting system that NSF will be implementing 
during fiscal year 1998 will provide improved means for identifying 
both short- and longer-term products and contributions of LEE research 
and educational projects.
    An expanded emphasis on support for research and education dealing 
with life and Earth's environment will enable us to build on the 
exciting new perspectives provided by recent discoveries; enhanced 
capabilities for making observations, conducting analyses, and making 
predictions; and growing awareness among the scientific communities and 
the general public regarding the potential value of increased knowledge 
about life and Earth's environment.
    Increased understanding about life processes and the interactions 
among lifeforms and other facets of their environments gained through 
LEE could address issues which affect all Americans. For instance, 
citizens would be better able to assess how changing environmental 
conditions may affect their health and well-being. Industrial firms 
could have a sounder basis for developing and implementing productions 
techniques that will stimulate economic growth while improving 
environmental quality. Local governments would be better prepared to 
deal with hazards associated with adverse environmental conditions, 
while state and federal agency officials would be able to evaluate how 
to deal with environmental change.
    Examples of LEE research activities follow:
  --New research shows that millions of years ago, fish in the 
        Antarctic and in the Arctic independently evolved nearly 
        identical antifreeze glycoproteins that kept them from freezing 
        in frigid oceans, which in turn allowed them to exploit new 
        ecological niches. For the first time the genetic process by 
        which a novel protein evolved to enable this adaptation has 
        been traced. This knowledge will provide the basis to 
        understand how life originated and evolved on Earth as well as 
        how life has managed to thrive in unexpected environments.
  --One of the biggest challenges facing scientists and engineers 
        involved in environmental research is understanding the highly 
        interrelated physical, chemical and biological feedback loops 
        commonly present in the Earth's natural systems. NSF addresses 
        this challenge by supporting studies on a variety of 
        environments of interest including soils, ground waters, 
        surface waters, coastal marine and estuarine areas, and 
        portions of the troposphere in contact with these environments. 
        Methods from molecular biology and high resolution surface 
        microscopy are combining to revolutionize understanding of many 
        geological processes in these environments. For example, 
        microorganisms have been found to interact with minerals, such 
        as pyrite, causing them to dissolve. Previously, weathering was 
        understood as an inorganic process, but that is now known to be 
        inadequate. The role of microorganisms is critical since it 
        often controls the first step in the dissolution process. 
        Because the constituents of soils and sediments depend on 
        mineral weathering, fundamental knowledge of these complex 
        chemical reactions is basic to understanding environments both 
        natural and man-made, and may have longer-term impacts on our 
        understanding of processes such as the weathering of man-made 
        infrastructure.
  --Global change research focuses on interactions among different 
        components of the integrated Earth system. NSF-supported global 
        change research has been instrumental in observing ocean 
        circulation patterns and in advancing understanding of the 
        ocean-atmosphere interactions that have permitted major 
        improvements in capabilities for predicting the onset of major 
        seasonal events like El Nino nearly a year in advance. This 
        prediction enables affected communities to adapt and to 
        minimize the destructive impacts of El Nino. Other global 
        change programs have supported research that improves 
        understanding of the ways that ecological systems respond to 
        changes in climate and to the impacts of climate variability 
        and change on human activities at local and regional scales.

                       EVALUATION AND PERFORMANCE

    Senator Bond. And you will be able to give us some markers 
on progress and we will be able to measure in future years your 
progress toward those goals, those two areas?
    Dr. Lane. Yes; Mr. Chairman, but let me be very clear about 
this kind of research activity, that the way we evaluate what 
we found and set our priorities is by using expert opinion of 
scientists and engineers. That is the merit review process that 
we use now and have used for years. That is also how we will 
have to evaluate ultimate outcomes of these investments. It is 
the field advancing? Are we world class in one or another area?
    So we have to write these objectives, and we have to 
present for you these markers or metrics in such a way that it 
satisfies both the needs, that it is going to be a genuine 
measurement of quality at the same time.
    Senator Bond. Maybe we ought to ask you to have a peer-
review group look at from the outside NSF who is not dependent 
upon you for the funding, evaluate the markers and the 
guideposts that you set forth, and come back next year as an 
independent scientific auditor to say are you doing the job? 
Are you game for that?
    Dr. Lane. Well, I think there is not anybody who could not 
come to NSF. There is not any scientist or engineer who could 
not come to NSF for support. We support the entire research and 
education community, so if you ask who the experts are I would 
say we probably support many of them.
    But I do agree with the point of putting together an 
objective such as you describe.

               SETTING PRIORITIES AND MEASURING PROGRAMS

    Senator Bond. We have used the National Academy of Public 
Administrators and others in many instances to evaluate it, and 
obviously apparently everybody has the hope of getting an NSF 
grant, but perhaps--I am sure there are enough scientists, men 
and women of integrity that maybe we have to have them 
anonymously work for an independent agency that can evaluate 
your markers, your guidelines, and then come back to us.
    I have been looking forward to seeing from the National 
Academy of Sciences a report they worked on a couple of years 
ago about how we do a better job of appropriating research 
dollars, and we are still struggling to apply the scientific 
tests in a way that is feasible through the political process.
    I would welcome your comments and discussion on that so 
that we can give assurances to our colleagues and to our 
constituents that we are getting something for the money, and 
you all lay out lofty goals and talk about things that are 
absolutely mind-boggling and breathtaking, but we need to be 
able to make sure that we are getting our breath taken and our 
mind boggled in an efficient manner with the dollars that we 
make available.
    Dr. Gibbons. Mr. Chairman, may I interject just an element 
that I think you would enjoy?
    Senator Bond. Please.
    Dr. Gibbons. The late Lewis Thomas, who was a famous 
physician and medical writer, once observed that he thought in 
terms of proposals in the area of basic research that when 
people proposed things and proposed what they would achieve 
during the time of that research, that if they came back and 
reported that they had achieved just what they said they were 
going to do, they should be penalized, because it means they 
did not discover anything new that they did not expect, and 
that I think puts the bottom line on the concern and issues 
that I know you understand.
    Senator Bond. Yes; it makes it a little tougher for you to 
develop the guidelines you are going to give me on how you 
measure those things.
    Dr. Gibbons. That is right, but I think there are 
guidelines, and we are working on this assessment of 
fundamental science. I believe we are going to make some real 
progress in the months ahead now as we get ready for GPRA this 
fall--that is, G-P-R-A--and we very much are in sympathy with 
your concern that we have got to report back to our investors, 
the American people, about how well their investment is 
working.
    Senator Bond. Well, we will look forward to working with 
you. We would like to have that information, and we would like 
to have a means, better means than we have now, of assessing 
it, because I think that is really important.
    We very much appreciate your time, and I know there are 
many knowledgeable people in the audience here who seem to be 
nodding and scratching their heads, and proposing thinking of 
things.

                     Additional committee questions

    We would welcome your written comments, but we would keep 
the record open for you to present to us your suggestions in 
response to these questions and a few other questions we will 
submit to you in writing.
    [The following questions were not asked at the hearing, but 
were submitted to the Foundation for response subsequent to the 
hearing:]

                  Questions Submitted by Senator Bond

                       IMPACT OF BUDGET REDUCTION

    Question. What programs would the agency cut or eliminate if the 
subcommittee had to recommend a reduction in the NSF budget of 10 
percent? What parts of the budget request would the agency protect?
    Answer. A 10 percent reduction in NSF's budget would have serious 
consequences. It would not only lead to significant reductions in our 
ability to support the conduct of science and engineering research and 
education, but would also cause:
  --A reduction of approximately 4,600 research and education awards, 
        about 50 percent of the number of new competitive awards;
  --Consideration of funding continuing awards below their committed 
        levels;
  --A delay in initiation and/or stretch-out of construction for new 
        research facilities;
  --Significant reductions for K-12 teacher enhancement; and
  --Major reductions in all aspects of undergraduate education.
    This level of reduction would also have significant impact on the 
number of people NSF supports through its programs, with possibly the 
greatest reduction in numbers of people realized in the support of K-12 
teachers. In total, over 20,000 people could lose NSF support. All 
interagency agreements, memoranda of understanding with other agencies 
and other countries, and partnership agreements with universities, 
colleges, other institutions and industry would require reexamination. 
In the face of such reductions, NSF would continue to move its agenda 
forward through:
  --Significant shifts in funding to maintain areas of priority at or 
        near fiscal year 1997 levels;
  --Completion of LIGO construction and initiation of operations of 
        LIGO and Gemini;
  --A shift toward graduate traineeships and away from other mechanisms 
        of graduate student support; and
  --Maintaining appropriate levels of staff for effective management 
        during a period of massive change.

                 GOVERNMENT PERFORMANCE AND RESULTS ACT

    Question. NSF's draft strategic plan does not meet the requirements 
of the Government Performance and Results Act (GPRA). Please provide 
your timetable for addressing the following issues: (a) long range 
goals, which are within the agency's statutory authority and span of 
responsibility; (b) objectives that conform with statutory 
requirements, and provide guidance in formulating budget requests, 
setting priorities, and allocating resources; (c) an annual performance 
plan with quantifiable annual performance goals.
    Answer. On March 14, 1997, NSF submitted to all the relevant 
Congressional committees a copy of its GPRA Strategic Plan. This 
version contained a mission statement condensed from its statutory 
authority; both over-arching and outcome-specific goals generated 
therefrom; investment strategies to achieve those goals; and a set of 
critical factors for success that address agency management.
    Based on comments received from Congressional staff, the Office of 
Management and Budget, the Office of Science and Technology Policy, and 
the National Science Board, a revised draft of the strategic plan was 
developed and forwarded to Congress. This draft will also be available 
on the Internet in order to provide a broad range of stakeholders an 
opportunity to comment on it. As required, we will also submit our 
Strategic Plan to Congress by September 30, 1997. An annual Performance 
Plan, based upon but distinct from, the Strategic Plan, will be 
submitted with the President's fiscal year 1999 budget request for NSF, 
per the Results Act.
    NSF recognizes the difficulty of identifying specific goals for 
which NSF's discrete contributions can be separated from the 
contributions of other agencies and activities. Nonetheless, we are 
committed to working with Congress and the relevant stakeholders in 
developing and refining over time the most reasonable outcome measures 
practical.
    Question. The NSF budget justification states that NSF is committed 
to delivering ``the highest possible social returns'' on the Nation's 
investment in research and education. Could you please explain what you 
mean by that statement, and how you will measure ``the highest possible 
social returns''?
    Answer. A number of studies by economists and others have 
demonstrated the benefits of research to the economy. We use the phrase 
``social returns'' to refer to this broad range of benefits that 
research and education activities provide for the public, including new 
knowledge, the capacity for innovation, and new educational approaches. 
The statement that appears in the budget justification is one statement 
of our vision for the agency. It reminds us that we promote the 
progress of science in order to obtain such returns for the nation. 
Social returns can only be assessed over time, and then only 
indirectly. The concept is not appropriate as a performance goal that 
requires direct measurement.

                    NSF'S ROLE IN EDUCATION STRATEGY

    Question. The President placed an extremely high priority on 
education in his budget proposals for fiscal year 1998. What role is 
NSF playing in the White House education initiatives? If the President 
has made education a priority, why does NSF's budget for the education 
account go up by only 1 percent, and support for precollege math and 
science education actually decline from the fiscal year 1997 level?
    Answer. NSF places high priority on education and has a coordinated 
set of programs that cross the education spectrum. In fiscal year 1998, 
the funding request for grade K-12 activities is $376 million, less 
than $2 million below the fiscal year 1997 level. Nearly 56 percent of 
the NSF education and training portfolio is invested in grades K-12 
with the objective of developing resources and strategies that enable 
implementation of standards-based mathematics and science education 
materials. NSF programs thus fully support the Presidential initiative 
for improving mathematics education, grades K-8.
    Informed by fiscal realities and careful review of priorities and 
emerging opportunities, the fiscal year 1998 budget request redirects 
funding from certain K-12 activities to other important program areas 
within the K-12 arena. For example, increased emphasis is planned for 
pre-service undergraduate preparation and education of teachers by 
redirecting resources from teacher enhancement activities that focus on 
in-service training of the existing workforce. NSF will also place 
emphasis on developing materials and strategies that will ensure the 
effective application of learning technologies throughout the K-12 
sector. Increases will be offset by reductions in the Instructional 
Materials Development program, which has a number of comprehensive 
mathematics curricula projects nearing completion. The fiscal year 1998 
program thrusts complement NSF's existing large-scale systemic projects 
that engage entire states, urban and rural areas, and school districts 
in mathematics and science education reform. In addition, through its 
dissemination and evaluation activities, NSF will intensify efforts to 
communicate information about effective curricula, research on teaching 
and learning, as well as effective strategies for reform and teacher 
development.
    NSF and the Department of Education (DoED) share expertise and work 
to coordinate their science and mathematics education activities. 
Recently, in response to a March 6, 1997 Presidential Directive, Dr. 
Lane and Secretary Riley established a Working Group on Improving 
Mathematics and Science Education that is comprised of senior officials 
and program experts from each agency. That Working Group has nearly 
completed an action strategy for ensuring effective use of Federal 
resources for improving teaching and learning in support of the 
President's voluntary, standards-based national mathematics test for 
individual eighth grade students. The strategy addresses: teacher 
preparation and professional development; implementation of 
instructional materials; improved integration of technology into the 
classrooms; and effective strategies for motivating students.

                           GRADUATE EDUCATION

    Question. The budget proposes a new graduate program called 
integrated graduate research and education traineeships to be supported 
at a level of $20 million. An additional $14.5 million is being spent 
on other traineeship programs, thereby increasing traineeship 
activities by about 65 percent. In order to make this increase, you 
must have some convincing evidence that this is a good investment. What 
evaluations have you done of your traineeship programs? Please provide 
copies of the evaluations. What criteria were used to determine the 
fiscal year 1998 funding request? What are the annual performance goals 
for fiscal year 1997? When will you know if they have been met?
    Answer. Development of the new Integrative Graduate Education and 
Research Training (IGERT) program, to be initiated in fiscal year 1998, 
is based on need, on an understanding of the ability of the traineeship 
mode of support to affect institutional change, and on experience with 
two prototype programs. Recent studies by the National Academy of 
Sciences and the National Science Board indicate a growing need for 
broadly prepared Ph.D.'s with multidisciplinary backgrounds. The need 
for technical, professional, and personal skills essential to 
addressing career demands of the future also has been articulated in a 
number of recent studies. The goal of the NSF-wide IGERT program is to 
develop a new training paradigm by supporting the development of better 
education and training activities that provide an environment for 
acquiring those skills, as well as for conducting the nation's premier 
research.
    The IGERT program builds on the strengths of two NSF existing 
traineeship programs: Research Training Groups and Graduate Research 
Traineeships. IGERT will support development of innovative graduate 
education efforts based on multidisciplinary research themes in 
emerging areas of science, mathematics, and engineering. These grantee-
identified themes will provide the framework for integrating research 
and education and for fostering effective interdisciplinary 
collaboration of faculty. Projects will develop innovative courses, 
workshops and other activities; provide access to state-of-the-art 
research instrumentation and methodologies; offer training experiences 
relevant to academic and non-academic careers; develop communication 
and teamwork skills; and provide international perspectives on 
research. In addition, IGERT will facilitate development of a 
demographically diverse Ph.D. workforce.
    Summative program evaluation can only be conducted after projects 
have appropriate opportunity to mature. Such evaluations for the 
programs underlying IGERT are being developed. Interim formative 
program development is based on project monitoring and focuses on 
progress in meeting long-range objectives for improving the quality of 
graduate education and, as appropriate, increasing Ph.D. production in 
critical disciplinary areas. Projects under both underlying programs 
have been evaluated through annual reports. Program performance is 
being strengthened through implementation of an electronic, Web-based 
distance-monitoring system that collects annual performance data on 
students and faculty, as well as written reports. The future 
development of IGERT will be informed by the formal evaluations that 
are being initiated.

         INVESTMENTS IN PRODUCING NEW SCIENTISTS AND ENGINEERS

    Question. In 1993, there were about 2.5 million people in the U.S. 
with graduate degrees in science or engineering. In addition, there 
were about 330,000 science and engineering graduate students. Over 70 
percent of the scientists and engineers with Ph.D.'s were working in 
science and engineering, in their own or a closely related field.
    Yet, there are repeated complaints from young scientists (most 
recently from the co-discoverer of the Hale-Bopp comet) that their 
opportunities for a career in science are abysmal. In my own state of 
Missouri, at least one university has tried to address this problem. 
Washington University in St. Louis has recently chosen to scale back 
the number of students to those the university can provide full 
financial support for six years, rather than producing as many students 
as they can.
    Why are you proposing to increase the number of graduate students 
supported by NSF?
    Answer. NSF supports only about four percent of the full-time 
science and engineering graduate students in the United States. In 
fiscal year 1998, NSF expects to support approximately 21,000 graduate 
students, an increase of 2 percent above the fiscal year 1997 level. 
The majority of this increase (380 students) is directly attributable 
to the new Integrative Graduate Education and Research Training (IGERT) 
program. The IGERT program is a focused experiment designed to reform 
graduate education, making it more responsive to the growing need for 
researchers and educators who are capable of functioning beyond the 
boundaries of a single discipline and who have technical, professional, 
and personal skills necessary to address varied career demands of the 
future. In addition to IGERT, NSF will provide for a modest increase in 
the number of students supported as research assistants on NSF-
supported grants and a slight reduction in students supported by 
graduate research fellowships.

                COSTS AND MANAGEMENT OF HIGHER EDUCATION

    Question. Recently Time Magazine ran a story on why a college 
education costs so much. The article seemed to challenge the entire 
academic enterprise to wake up to the fact that they--just like 
corporate America and government--have to downsize, re-engineer, 
streamline and reduce costs if they are to remain strong and vital 
institutions in the future. And, by and large, the public perception is 
that they have not yet stepped up to the plate. What do you think our 
colleges and universities need to do to remain strong and yet, at the 
same time, control their costs and management activities.
    Answer. University costs are increasing in a number of areas, 
including physical plant improvements, maintenance of competitive 
salaries, financial aid to students, acquisition of technical 
information, upgrading of computer technology, and compliance with 
federal regulations (such as improving access and services for the 
disabled). In addition, many public universities face decreasing 
support from state funds. All these factors result in a difficult 
financial situation for many universities but one which NSF believes 
most universities are, each in their own way, attempting to address. 
NSF can comment on this complex matter only in connection with the 
research and other activities that the federal government sponsors at 
universities.
    The federal government and university communities face similar 
budgetary constraints, but share common goals, in the conduct of 
academic research. There is incentive for both communities to not only 
work together to assure that universities are fairly compensated for 
the costs of performing federally-sponsored research, but also to 
strive to contain the cost of engaging in that research. In that 
regard, the Federal Demonstration Partnership (FDP) is a valuable forum 
for both federal agencies and the university community to consider not 
only which research-related costs should be reimbursed by the federal 
government, but also to discuss issues such as simplifying 
accountability for federal funds and eliminating unnecessary 
administrative requirements.

          ANTARCTIC PROGRAM: SOUTH POLE STATION MODERNIZATION

    Question. The Antarctic External Panel led by Norm Augustine is 
about to issue their reports on the Antarctic Program. This 
Subcommittee asked for an examination of the U.S. Antarctic Program 
about 18 months ago. According to recent Congressional testimony by Mr. 
Augustine, the panel is going to reaffirm the need for this country to 
maintain its active and influential presence in the Antarctic. The 
panel is also going to call for the modernization of the South Pole 
station to address some very critical safety, health, and structural 
issues. The panel estimates that a new station and other necessary 
infrastructure improvements would come to about $145 million--less than 
earlier estimates that were in the $180 to $200 million range.
    If you accept the panel's assumptions and recommendations, an 
additional $95 million is needed over the next five years to rebuild 
the station. You have a request of $25 million in the fiscal year 1998 
request so if we were to provide the request, over the next few years, 
you would have to come up with an additional $70 million. Would you 
agree with that estimate?
    Answer. The $145 million estimate includes the following:
                                                             In millions
New South Pole Station............................................  $125
Repairs to keep the existing South Pole Station operational during 
    construction of the new station...............................     5
Minimum infrastructure improvements at McMurdo and Palmer Stations 
    identified by the Augustine Panel.............................    15
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      Total.......................................................   145

    NSF's fiscal year 1998 Budget Request includes $25 million for a 
new South Pole Station. To rebuild the station for $70 million in post-
1998 costs, two additional assumptions are necessary. First, the USAP 
must actually realize an estimated $30 million in savings associated 
with the transfer from the Navy to other DOD support. These would bring 
the post-1998 costs down to $90 million.
    In addition, NSF would have to reprogram $20 million away from 
ongoing research and support activities to the South Pole Station 
rebuilding effort. Which research efforts would not receive funding has 
not been identified at this early stage.
    If this additional reprogramming were implemented, the remaining 
post-1998 costs would be reduced to the $70 million identified in the 
Augustine report:
                                                             In millions
South Pole Station and other infrastructure.......................  $145
Fiscal year 1998 Budget Request for South Pole Station............   -25
Cost savings......................................................   -30
Reallocation of science funds.....................................   -20
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      Total.......................................................    70

    Note that the cost estimates for the South Pole Station were based 
on inflation rates in use at the time of planning (2.2 percent). 
Current projected inflation rates are slightly higher (2.7 percent), 
which may affect the total cost.
    Question. Within the Administration's outyear profile for NSF, are 
there sufficient funds to accommodate the cost of the redevelopment of 
the South Pole station?
    Answer. The Administration's outyear profile for NSF's Major 
Research Equipment Account is flat from fiscal year 1998 to fiscal year 
2002. The Foundation continues to examine how to accommodate needs for 
major projects across the agency within its funding profile. Funding 
for redevelopment of South Pole Station is one item being considered, 
in the context of the Augustine Panel statement that the USAP should be 
viewed as a national program, not as another NSF science project, and 
should be designed, funded and judged as such.
    Question. Have you thought about international participation in the 
redevelopment of the station?
    Answer. NSF concurs with Recommendation IV in the Augustine Panel 
report, which states that ``International cooperation in scientific 
research and logistics support should be encouraged, but permanent 
facilities and infrastructure at permanent U.S. sites in Antarctica 
should be provided by and maintained by the U.S.'' The Panel concluded 
that:
    ``Considering the geopolitical history of Antarctica outside the 
reach of the Antarctic Treaty system, that joint funding and/or 
ownership of infrastructure and facilities may lead to substantial 
international legal issues while producing little or no fiscal benefit. 
The Panel is mindful of the experience of the space program in 
international cooperation, but draws a strong distinction between joint 
ownership of a space station--where there are no territorial issues in 
contention--and the joint ownership of a facility at, say, the South 
Pole.''
    The Panel also concluded that:
    ``To internationalize the physical plant in Antarctica with foreign 
capital investment in fixed facilities at the U.S. stations raises 
ownership issues that, ultimately, work to the detriment of U.S. 
interests and, in the opinion of the Panel, worldwide interests. It is 
not, it would seem, illogical that a nation which shares the basic 
costs of the existence of a facility would seek a voice in the 
operation and governance of that facility--and ultimately in the title 
to that facility.''
    Question. How do you plan to respond to the Augustine Panel's 
report?
    Answer. NSF is currently analyzing the recommendations contained in 
the Augustine Panel report to determine how best to address them.

               NSF-EPA PARTNERSHIP/ENVIRONMENTAL BIOLOGY

    Question. A few years back this subcommittee urged NSF and EPA to 
work together on some common research interests. Part of the reason for 
that effort was to assist EPA in improving the quality of its research 
and research program management activities. Recently NSF and EPA 
decided to renew that partnership activity through a new Memorandum of 
Understanding. How well is that partnership effort working?
    Answer. The NSF-EPA Partnership for Environmental Research has 
sponsored joint competitions each year since fiscal year 1995. 
Professional staff from both agencies have worked together to plan and 
manage the competitions, and both agencies have provided funds to 
support the highest quality peer reviewed research proposals. The NSF 
administered the competitions in the first two years while mentoring 
EPA staff. In the third year of the partnership (fiscal year 1997), the 
EPA is administering the competitions.
    The partnership emphasizes shared investments, shared risks and 
shared benefits. From an NSF perspective, the partnership has enabled 
the support of research that synergistically integrates elements of 
diverse core activities. Fundamental interdisciplinary research has 
been particularly emphasized in the three competitions sponsored to 
date: (1) Water and Watersheds, (2) Technology for Sustainable 
Environment, and (3) Decision Making and Valuation for Environmental 
Policy. Of special value has been the ability to link the traditional 
NSF-supported community of researchers with the management-oriented 
goals of EPA.
    NSF has been pleased to join with the EPA to promote the discovery, 
integration, dissemination, and employment of new environmental 
knowledge in service to society.

                        ADMINISTRATIVE EXPENSES

    Question. One of your ``key program functions'' is Administration 
and Management. In your fiscal year 1998 Budget Submission (Overview) 
you state that Administration and Management function constitutes 4 
percent of your request of $3.367 billion. How is that percentage 
determined?
    Answer. The percentage of fiscal year 1998 total support provided 
for NSF's Administration and Management function is determined by 
adding the $136.9 million in the Salaries and Expenses appropriation to 
the $4.85 million request for the Office of Inspector General and 
dividing by the total NSF request of $3.367 billion.
    Question. What activities are included in the four percent 
Administration and management category?
    Answer. The Administration and Management function includes funds 
for staff salaries, benefits, travel, rent, contracted administrative 
services, supplies, equipment, and other administrative operating 
expenses.
    Question. Are there any personnel-related and/or program support-
related activities funded out of other appropriation accounts?
    Answer. NSF has traditionally funded program support costs from the 
``program'' appropriations because of their direct support to the 
research and education programs. Some examples include the cost of 
proposal review panels, contracts for special services--such as 
proposal processing and evaluation--directly related to the program, 
and grants to institutions to obtain the temporary assignment of 
visiting program managers through the Intergovernmental Personnel Act. 
These scientists and engineers contribute significantly to our program 
operations. Program support costs are usually program specific, short 
term costs.
    Question. Please provide the funding levels for the various program 
support activities outlined above, including but not limited to cost 
associated with holding review panels, personnel costs for IPA 
positions, and costs for performing program evaluation.
    Answer. Program support costs funded through ``program'' 
appropriations are shown below for fiscal year 1996.

   National Science Foundation Fiscal Year 1996 Program Support Costs

                        [In millions of dollars]

IPA's.............................................................  16.9
Travel--(panelists, committees of visitors (COV) and IPA's).......   5.1
Printing..........................................................   0.8
Equipment.........................................................   0.3
Contracts (includes education evaluations, SRS and other contracts  14.6
Panelists and COV's...............................................   4.5
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      Total.......................................................  42.2
                         internet registration
    Question. NSF entered into a cooperative agreement in 1993 with 
Network Solutions, Inc. (NSI) to manage the registration service for 
domain names on the Internet. The agreement is due to expire in 
September 1998. What plans does NSF have regarding the ending of that 
cooperative agreement?
    Answer. The September 30, 1998 date allows for an administrative 
period for concluding activities such as the preparation and submission 
of the final report. As a result, the agreement is actually scheduled 
to be concluded by March 31, 1998. Since there appears to be no need 
for continued NSF support of an activity which has become self-
supporting, no recompetition, extension or other follow-on of the 
current award is anticipated.
    Question. How will NSF ensure that NSI does not have an unfair 
advantage over other potential registrars for domain name services?
    Answer. There are currently several proposals based on two 
alternative concepts being discussed that are posing alternative 
mechanisms for increasing competition for name registration in Internet 
Top Level Domains (TLD's). All involve the creation of additional 
TLD's. One is based on the model of ``sharing'' of TLD's among several 
registries (competition within TLD's). Others involve the ownership of 
specific TLD's by individual registries (competition among TLD's). It 
is probable that, by March 31, 1998, a number of registries, both 
``shared'' and private, will be competing for domain name 
registrations.
    Question. Does NSF retain the rights to the database of 
registration information?
    Answer. In accordance with the principles governing the treatment 
of copyrightable material produced under NSF awards adopted by the 
National Science Board on March 16, 1984, the Foundation normally 
acquires only such rights to copyrightable material as are needed to 
achieve its purposes or to comply with the requirements of any 
applicable international agreement or government-wide policy notably 
Sec.__36(a) of Office of Management and Budget Circular A-110, Uniform 
Administrative Requirements for Grants and Agreements with Institutions 
of Higher Education, Hospitals, and Other Non-Profit Organizations 
(revised November 1993), which for efficient administration the 
Foundation applies to most of its few for-profit awardees. The 
Copyrightable Material clause in the Foundation's Grant General 
Conditions, which were attached to and made part of the cooperative 
agreement with NSI, provides (in part): ``[T]he grantee may own or 
permit others to own copyright in all subject writings. The grantee 
agrees that if it or anyone else does own copyright in a subject 
writing, the Federal Government will have a nonexclusive, 
nontransferable, irrevocable, royalty-free license to exercise or have 
exercised for or on behalf of the United States throughout the world 
all exclusive rights provided by copyright. Such license, however, will 
not include the right to sell copies or of the copyrighted work to the 
public.''
    ``Subject writing'' is defined in the first paragraph of that 
clause as meaning any material produced by the awardee or its employees 
that is or may be copyrightable under Title 17 of the United States 
Code.
    Under the above-quoted Copyrightable Material provision, NSF has a 
license under any copyright asserted on the database as it exists 
during, and at the conclusion of, the agreement. Also, under Article 
10E of the agreement, NSF has the right to request ``a copy and 
documentation of any and all software and data generated'' as part of 
the final report, which must ``contain a description of all work 
performed and problems encountered * * * in such form and sufficient 
detail as to permit replication of the work by a reasonably 
knowledgeable party or organization''. This discretionary ``delivery'' 
requirement, unusual in an assistance award, was added to give the 
Foundation the option of continuing to assist Internet registration by 
supporting some other entity subsequent to the NSI agreement. Since 
Internet registration has become self-supporting and NSF will no longer 
be involved in supporting the activity, there is no need for us to 
obtain that material.
    Question. Beginning in 1995, NSF authorized NSI to charge $100 to 
register a domain name initially, and $50 a year to maintain it in the 
master database. Thirty percent of that money is set aside in an 
account for the purpose of reinvestment of the ``intellectual 
infrastructure'' of the Internet. As of December 1996, over $12 million 
was deposited in that account, but there has not been any disbursement 
of funds. What plans does NSF have for using those funds and future 
monies that will be collected?
    Answer. As of April 30, 1997, the balance in the fund was 
approximately $23.8 million. Consistent with the requirements of the 
agreement, Network Solutions has proposed that a 501(c)(3) non-profit 
organization (having no connection with either Network Solutions or 
NSF), with an appropriate charter and board of directors, be formed to 
disburse the funds. Using this proposed approach, as of an established 
date, all funds collected in the account would be transferred into the 
nonprofit organization, collection of additional Infrastructure funds 
would cease and fees would be reduced by a corresponding amount. 
Pending resolution of appropriate details we believe this to be a 
reasonable plan for disposition of the funds.
    Question. Recently, there has been criticism of NSI's performance 
of the registration function and concern about their role as the sole 
provider of certain categories of domain names. What oversight has NSF 
conducted of NSI's activities?
    Answer. Consistent with normal practice for such awards, NSF 
conducted an external merit review of NSI's performance in 1994 which 
found it to be excellent. NSF receives and reviews monthly, quarterly 
and annual reports on their activities as well as copies of complaints 
or comments on their service and conducts periodic performance review 
meetings. Recently, a management review of the registration activity 
was conducted by the NSF's Office of the Inspector General. The 
resulting report and Agency response have been released to the public. 
Additionally, NSF's Office of the Inspector General is currently 
conducting a financial audit of the NSI award at our request.
    Question. There is a new proposal from a coalition involving the 
Internet Society and other interested groups for adding additional 
generic groups of domain names and adding new registrars. What is NSF's 
position on this proposal?
    Answer. The proposal from the Internet Society is only one of a 
number of proposals which have recently been advanced to increase 
competition in the Internet Domain Name registration process. NSF 
believes that several of the proposals currently being considered by 
the Internet community have merit. NSF also believes that any of the 
proposals being considered will have only minimal, if any, impact on 
the research and education community which we support. As a result, NSF 
has no preference at this time among the proposed alternatives.

                       MATH AND SCIENCE EDUCATION

    Question. For the past several years, NSF has invested about $300 
million annually in efforts to improve K-12 math and science education. 
How has NSF evaluated the progress in this area? How were these 
evaluations used in determining the fiscal year 1998 budget request?
    Answer. NSF's K-12 education programs benefit from a comprehensive 
set of evaluation activities that includes project monitoring, formal 
program evaluations, informal assessments by staff and external 
experts, and management reviews. As part of NSF's response to the 
Government Performance and Results Act (GPRA), other efforts are being 
implemented to ensure accountability: (1) Performance Effectiveness 
Reviews (PER) of sets of large-scale projects to obtain management and 
standardized performance information; (2) standardized program 
evaluation that allows monitoring of individual projects, program 
aggregation, and cross-site comparisons; and (3) electronic, Web-based 
monitoring systems. NSF also regularly supports specialized studies, 
such as the Third International Mathematics and Science Survey (TIMSS) 
to obtain information on the context in which our programs operate.
    Development of NSF K-12 programs is firmly grounded in evaluations 
and can itself be viewed as implementation research, evolving with 
observations of strengths and weaknesses. Examples of rationale for 
major program thrusts include:
  --Systemic Reform: NSF is able to broaden and deepen its impact in 
        implementing standards-based science and mathematics education 
        reform when it engages entire school districts and 
        simultaneously addresses requisite policies, curriculum, 
        professional development, assessment, and resources. In the 
        1995-96 school year, NSF reform initiatives reached nearly 7.5 
        million students and 103,000 teachers and administrators. Sites 
        reported improvements in standardized achievement tests and 
        statewide assessments in mathematics and science. Program 
        monitoring has demonstrated the need for reform projects to 
        articulate high student and teacher expectations; align 
        assessment and curriculum; converge resources; provide linkages 
        to parents, communities and industry; and develop scale-up 
        strategies. While systemic programs show great promise for 
        being effective, only a portion of the students in greatest 
        need have been reached thus far. A large number of systems are 
        looking for resources (financial and otherwise) to undertake 
        such reform, particularly those in urban settings.
  --Teacher Education: A major obstacle to reform and increased student 
        achievement has been shown to be the competency of the 
        instructional workforce. It has become apparent that pre-
        service preparation of teachers must be accelerated and linked 
        to systemic reform sites. Recent TIMSS findings further 
        indicate the critical need for elementary teachers to develop 
        an understanding of mathematics. While pre-service education is 
        a critical issue, in-service training of the existing workforce 
        continues to remain problematic.
  --Technology: The potential of educational technologies, as well as 
        barriers to its implementation are documented by systemic 
        reform, instructional materials development, and teacher 
        education programs. Technology is effectively being used to 
        foster development of learning communities, to provide access 
        to expertise and other resources in underserved areas (e.g., 
        inner cities, rural areas), and to address differences in 
        learning styles.

                   SUPERCOMPUTERS CENTERS COMPETITION

    Question. Earlier this year (March 27 and 28) the National Science 
Board gave its approval for two partnership proposals for 
supercomputing. How does this supercomputer initiative differ from the 
previous NSF advanced scientific computing program?
    Answer. At its inception, the existing NSF Supercomputer Centers 
program focused on providing access to high performance computers for 
the research and education community that NSF supports. This program 
has evolved over time, moving from providing cycles on vector multi-
processors, to exploring and adopting scalable, massively parallel 
systems. This transition demonstrated that usage and performance 
advances of these architectures are hampered by difficulties in 
programming such systems for a broad range of applications. General 
acceptance of these systems by the research and education community, 
who generally program applications themselves, can benefit from a 
broadened effort.
    In examining possible structures for an advanced computational 
infrastructure program, it became apparent that considerable expertise 
in this area existed at many universities and research centers. The 
Partnerships for Advanced Computational Infrastructure (PACI) program 
was NSF's response to the recommendations of the Task Force on the 
Future of the NSF Supercomputing Centers Program (the Hayes Task 
Force), and represented a plan to deploy the most competent 
investigators to develop a coordinated national infrastructure.
    The Hayes report indicated that the new initiative should be 
substantially different from the current activity. In particular, the 
addition of a large number of partner universities engaged in 
infrastructure development is a shift from the previous concentration 
on ``leading-edge'' sites in the current centers program. The result is 
a broadening of participation in the program, targeted initiatives in 
software development, and a national education, training, and outreach 
effort.
    Question. How will NSF transition to this new partnership 
arrangement? (e.g. the phaseout process for those centers not part of 
the new program, how the user community will be accommodated during the 
transition process).
    Answer. There are several aspects of the transition to the new 
partnership arrangement--funding, allocations, and phase-out--that 
merit individual attention.
    Funding for the new partnerships is derived from the reduction in 
operating expenses by reducing the number of ``leading-edge'' sites 
from four to two. These savings are accomplished as follows:
  --The operations budgets for the leading-edge sites in the PACI 
        program are substantially the same as in the current centers 
        program.
  --The capital budget for the overall PACI Program is essentially the 
        same as that for the four previous centers.
  --The savings in operations at the discontinued centers program 
        (approximately $20 million in 1997 dollars) will be used mainly 
        to fund partner activities, increased maintenance on the larger 
        system configurations, and a modest increase in staff at the 
        continuing leading edge sites to augment the user support that 
        is expected to increase less than 50 percent at each site.
    NSF plans to fund the PACI partnerships through cooperative 
agreements, the same means used to fund the current Centers. This 
funding mechanism assures a cooperative management structure, and close 
oversight of all partnership activities, including those at the leading 
edge site. An independent contractor will survey user opinion of the 
performance, and designated NSF staff will be contacted in instances 
when users do not receive satisfactory responses from center staff. All 
allocations will remain under the control of peer review allocation 
panels, with active NSF oversight.
    Current allocations of the largest users have been made for the 
period April 1, 1997 to March 31, 1998. Future allocations for these 
resources will be made only at permanent PACI leading edge sites and 
partner sites, as appropriate. All plans include retention and use of 
current facilities for the entire transition period at centers being 
phased out.
    Both of the new PACI sites, the National Partnership for Advanced 
Computational Infrastructure (NPACI) at the University of California, 
San Diego and the National Computational Science Alliance (NCSA) at the 
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, are making plans for new 
systems and upgrades to be brought on-line during the fall of 1997. 
These systems are powerful enough to meet the current demand, even 
without the Pittsburgh Supercomputer Center (PSC) and the Cornell 
Theory Center (CTC) resources, and are expected to attract some users 
from phase-out sites. Both NPACI and NCSA have active plans for 
workshops and training sessions to orient current users of both PSC and 
CTC to the new facilities.
    Very few high-end users make exclusive use of resources at only one 
center. We do not anticipate a major difficulty in providing proper 
orientation and training to this segment of the community. Other users 
will be moving from one phasing-out center to a partnership to utilize 
the same type of computer system. The problems resulting from this 
transfer are substantially less than a change in operating systems at 
one facility, an event that has occurred and been successfully 
addressed many times during the history of the centers program.
    One potential significant problem is the movement of user data from 
one center to another. This is a consequence of the fact that PSC had 
not adopted the same standard mass storage systems as the other 
centers. As a result, the migration of files from PSC may also involve 
some data translation and record reformatting. NCSA is already working 
with the largest users at PSC by providing access to the NCSA Origin 
2000 computer system to ease the transition.
    The NPACI's facilities at the San Diego Supercomputer Center (SDSC) 
will support a new vector system approximately 75 percent faster than 
the current systems at PSC. The greater speed machine should attract 
users, and the capacity to be added should equal the current capacity 
at PSC and SDSC. Additionally, NPACI will be augmenting its distributed 
memory system to one having approximately the same capacity as the one 
at CTC.
    Transition plans for both CTC and PSC include measures to retain 
key personnel during the phase-out period. NSF plans to augment user 
support services at both NCSA and NPACI to handle the new user load. 
Towards this end, NCSA has completed a reorganization of its user 
support function and is expected to have the new structure in place by 
the summer of 1997 to meet the requirements of PACI. It appears that no 
reorganization will be necessary at NPACI, except for that involving 
the integration of partnership expertise into the national 
infrastructure.
    When the current Supercomputer Centers program was extended by the 
National Science Board (NSB) in October 1994, and again in the Board's 
December 1995 resolution approving the new PACI program, all of the 
centers were informed that the transition would begin immediately 
following Board approval of the new awards. After analyzing the cost 
structure of each center, NSF concluded (based on the argument outlined 
below) that one year's operations budget (i.e., excluding all 
supercomputer capital payments) should be sufficient to support a 
center for 15-18 months, if they started to reduce expenditure levels 
immediately.
    NSF is now providing an average of $800,000 per month for non-
capital items (salaries and wages, maintenance, expendable materials 
and supplies, indirect costs, etc.) at each center. A phase-out model 
was constructed that included a linear ramp-down of personnel from 
April 1, 1997 staffing levels to a 25 FTE level in early fiscal year 
1998 which generally results in a loss of about 2.5 FTE/month. Other 
expenses were modeled as fixed (hardware maintenance, software 
licenses, power, utilities), while others (travel, training, etc.) were 
set to arbitrarily lower (but non-zero) levels; indirect costs were 
estimated at the last current rate. Based on the different cost 
structures at each center, this model projected an operation time of 
15-18 months. With this, NSF allocated one full year's operating 
expenses (at an $11 million level, about $1 million higher than actual) 
to be expended during a period not to exceed 24 months beginning April 
1, 1997, for phase-out. The detailed validity of the model is being 
explored in phase out negotiations with PSC and CTC.
    This $11 million figure was authorized in the NSB resolution, i.e., 
a sum not-to-exceed one full year's operational funding (actually $11 
million) that could be expended over a period not-to-exceed two years, 
starting April 1, 1997. Thus, the last six months of the final year of 
the extended cooperative agreement would be part of the phase-out.

              MERIT REVIEW PROCESS--ADJUSTING THE CRITERIA

   Question. The Foundation and the Board have recently issued draft 
revisions to the merit review criteria. Please provide background and 
an update on the status of this effort.
    Answer. NSF's current criteria were adopted by the National Science 
Board in 1981. They remain an effective means for determining the 
optimal allocation of NSF's valuable resources. From time to time, it 
is nevertheless prudent to examine the review criteria--in the spirit 
of improving an already outstanding system.
    Furthermore, there are also a number of important factors that 
deserve consideration in any assessment of NSF's review criteria, such 
as:
  --NSF's 1994 strategic plan established long-range goals and core 
        strategies for the Foundation;
  --Several studies suggest that there is room for improvement in NSF's 
        highly successful system of merit review. For example, surveys 
        of reviewers and program officers have revealed that the 
        current criteria are not always well understood and some are 
        often ignored; and
  --Seminal events over the past fifteen years--notably the end of the 
        Cold War and the rise of global economic competition--have 
        altered the context for public support of research and 
        education. It is now more important than ever to highlight and 
        document the returns to society on NSF's investments in 
        research and education.
    On March 28, 1997, the National Science Board passed a resolution 
approving use of the following criteria for all proposals reviewed 
beginning October 1, 1997:
    1. What is the intellectual merit of the proposed activity?
    The following are suggested questions to consider in assessing how 
well the proposal meets this criterion: How important is the proposed 
activity to advancing knowledge and understanding within its own field 
and across different fields? How well qualified is the proposer 
(individual or team) to conduct the project? (If appropriate, please 
comment on the quality of prior work.) To what extent does the proposed 
activity suggest and explore creative and original concepts? How well 
conceived and organized is the proposed activity? Is there sufficient 
access to resources?
    2. What are the broader impacts of the proposed activity?
    The following are suggested questions to consider in assessing how 
well the proposal meets this criterion: How well does the activity 
advance discovery and understanding while promoting teaching, training, 
and learning? How well does the proposed activity broaden the 
participation of underrepresented groups (e.g., gender, ethnicity, 
geographic, etc.)? To what extent will it enhance the infrastructure 
for research and education, such as facilities, instrumentation, 
networks, and partnerships? Will the results be disseminated broadly to 
enhance scientific and technological understanding? What may be the 
benefits of the proposed activity to society?
    The Task Force's Final Recommendations are available on the World 
Wide Web at http://www.nsf.gov/home/nsb/pubs/nsbmr975/nsbmr975.htm.
    A task group of NSF staff is developing procedures to implement the 
Board's resolution.
                 privatizing logistics in the antarctic
    Question. This past season in the Antarctic, private sector 
helicopter support was used in place of the helicopter support of the 
Navy, as part of the privatization actions you have been undertaking 
for sometime. How well is the privatizing program working and do you 
agree with the Augustine External Panel's estimates that an additional 
$30 million over the next 5 years will be saved if we continue with 
these privatization efforts?
    Answer. Since 1993 when the Navy proposed a phased withdrawal from 
the U.S. Antarctic Program, NSF has planned for replacement support by 
both civilian contractors and other Department of Defense units, 
including air support by the New York Air National Guard. The 1996-1997 
field season was the first year of civilian helicopter support, 
provided by Petroleum Helicopters, Inc. (PHI) of Lafayette, Louisiana. 
NSF considers the transfer of this function an extraordinary success 
for the following reasons:
  --Helicopter operations costs have decreased from $5 million to about 
        $2.5 million per year.
  --The ``footprint'' in McMurdo has decreased from 52 to 18 people, 
        placing less strain on station resources, and the aircraft 
        footprint has decreased from six to four.
  --A greater overall efficiency of operations has been realized, with 
        a 20 percent reduction in flight hours with no decrease in 
        support service.
  --There is a greater platform variety--the helicopter inventory is 
        now comprised of light and medium-lift aircraft. Previously, 
        only medium-lift helicopters were available through the Navy.
  --PHI had a perfect safety record this season with no helicopter 
        accidents or incidents.
    Other parts of the transition are also continuing on track. An 
agreement between the NSF, Office of the Secretary of Defense, Navy, 
Air Force, and Air National Guard (ANG) will result in transition of 
the LC-130 aircraft operations from the Navy to the ANG by March 31, 
1999.
    Other functions supported by the Navy such as medical services, 
services in New Zealand, and communications, will be transferred in 
fiscal year 1998 to civilian contractors in fiscal year 1998. Air 
traffic control and weather forecasting functions will be transferred 
to civilian contractors under the management of other DOD units.
    DOD will continue to support the following functions: procurement 
of fuel, fuel and cargo ships, and some engineering services.
    NSF believes the Augustine Panel's estimate that up to $30 million 
can be saved over the next five years (fiscal year 1998-2002) as a 
result of the transition to private contractors and other DOD 
providers--is realistic.

                   ACADEMIC RESEARCH INSTRUMENTATION

    Question. The budget contains no discussion about academic research 
infrastructure. Last year NSF proposed to terminate its support for the 
modernization of research facilities. That was a decision this 
subcommittee supported reluctantly. But now this budget is strangely 
silent on the instrumentation program for fiscal year 1998. Are you 
going to support the effort in fiscal year 1998 and, if so, why is 
there no discussion or funding level outlined in the budget proposal?
    Answer. The NSF's Academic Research Infrastructure (ARI) Program 
was well conceived, well planned, and well leveraged but the overall 
impact on the nation's research and research training facilities 
infrastructure was relatively minor. This program, funded at 
approximately $50 million per year, was not a major source of funds for 
colleges and universities that were renewing their research 
infrastructure. With approval from the National Science Board, NSF 
decided to focus its investment of limited funds in areas where NSF can 
make a major contribution to the science and engineering education 
enterprise. Consequently, NSF chose to terminate the ARI facilities 
program.
    NSF will continue to support instrumentation programs in fiscal 
year 1998. As mentioned in the discussion of Research Project Support 
within NSF's fiscal year 1998 budget justification, $50 million will be 
used to continue support for an NSF-wide instrumentation program. This 
program, formerly funded out of the Academic Research Infrastructure 
appropriation, is now supported through the Research and Related 
Activities appropriation. In addition, approximately $180 million in 
additional support for smaller-scale instrumentation will also be 
provided.

          STATUS OF GREEN BANK AND ARECIBO TELESCOPE OVERRUNS

    Question. In December press reports circulated about the Arecibo 
telescope and the Green Bank telescope. Stories of cost overruns and 
significant delays appeared on the pages of Nature magazine. Please 
provide the status of these two telescope. What steps have been taken 
to address the construction management issues associated with large 
scale facilities?
    Answer. The Green Bank Telescope (GBT) is located at the National 
Radio Astronomy Observatory's (NRAO) Green Bank, West Virginia site. In 
December 1990, Radiation Systems Inc (RSi) was awarded a $55 million 
fixed-price, design-and-build contract by NRAO's managing organization, 
Associated Universities Inc (AUI), for the 100-meter diameter Green 
Bank telescope. In 1994, COMSAT Corporation purchased RSi and its 
subsidiaries.
    The telescope was originally contracted for delivery in late 1994, 
but the contractor was unable to meet this date. The current schedule 
calls for completion of the telescope assembly, telescope, 
installation, and alignment of the panels by the contractor by the end 
of April 1998. Recently, the contractor requested that the schedule be 
extended by an additional eight months, but has been told that further 
delays are unacceptable; the contractor has been asked for 
clarification and a plan to keep the project on schedule. All the 
systems for the telescope that are to be provided by the NRAO are 
expected to be ready for a delivery as early as April 1998.
    Progress on the telescope has been significant during the past 
year, with the contractor's workforce nearly doubled at the job site in 
recent months. All 16 million pounds of steel that make up the 
telescope have been designed, engineered, fabricated, and delivered. 
About 1,500 of the 2,200 curved aluminum reflecting panels have been 
manufactured. The 165-foot-high telescope base is essentially complete, 
and the 100-meter diameter surface backup structure has been pre-
assembled on the ground; it will be lifted into place on the telescope 
for final welding beginning in June.
    In an attempt to recover costs incurred due to its delays, the 
contractor has filed claims against AUI under the Disputes provision of 
the telescope contract; the claims allege that actions on the 
Observatory's part have resulted in additional costs. The initial claim 
filed in October 1995 totaled $14.4 million; in December 1996, it was 
increased to $28.6 million. AUI disputes the factual basis of these 
claims, and is auditing their fiscal basis. Should the claims be 
unresolved to the mutual satisfaction of NRAO and COMSAT RSi, the 
contract calls for binding arbitration. At this stage, the claims do 
not involve the National Science Foundation.
    At the National Astronomy and Ionosphere Center's (NAIC) Arecibo 
radio telescope, NSF and NASA co-funded--approximately equally--a major 
upgrade projected to cost $22 million. The upgrade has three separate 
elements: (i) structural reinforcement of the main antenna structure 
and the installation of so-called ``Gregorian'' reflectors to correct 
the aberration of the main spherical antenna; (ii) construction of a 
50-foot high ground screen surrounding the 1,000-foot diameter main 
dish to reduce the effect on astronomical observations of scattered 
radiation from the ground; and (iii) doubling the power of the 
planetary radar.
    All upgrade construction was completed in April 1997, and NAIC 
staff are now in the process of putting the Arecibo radio telescope--
the world's largest--back into service. The upgrade, started in 1992, 
was originally scheduled for final completion at the end of 1995, and 
is thus about 15 months late. (It should be noted that the telescope 
was only out of service for about one year of the upgrade period.) The 
upgrade project ran over its original 1990 budget by about 7 percent; 
the costs of the overrun were borne by the NAIC program within the 
Division of Astronomical Sciences.
    In June 1996, the prime contractor for the structural reinforcement 
phase of the project, RSi (now COMSAT RSi), filed a $7 million lawsuit 
in Federal Court against Cornell University, NSF's manager of NAIC. NSF 
is not a party to the suit. The crux of the lawsuit is COMSAT RSi's 
contention that Cornell did not provide adequate and accurate 
engineering drawings of the Arecibo radio telescope to RSi. Since these 
drawings were the responsibility of Cornell's engineering contractor 
for the Arecibo facility, Amman and Whitney (AW), Cornell has made AW a 
third party to the law suit. Cornell disputes COMSAT RSi's claims and 
has counter-sued the contractor for $635,000 in excess costs resulting 
from the company's failure to complete its work in a timely fashion. 
The case is scheduled to go to trial in United States District Court, 
Northern District New York. The trial date was recently (re)set to May 
4, 1998. Both sides are gathering information at this time.
    Regarding the construction management issues associated with large 
scale facilities, the Foundation is taking a number of steps to 
minimize the possibility of future problems like those associated with 
the GBT and Arecibo projects. First, the Foundation plans a high-level 
review of its methods for overseeing management of large facilities, 
and intends to provide closer project oversight where needed in the 
future. Second, in light of our Green Bank experience where the 
contractor subcontracted a key activity of the project, NSF will now 
take steps to ensure that more careful attention will be paid to the 
in-house capabilities of potential contractors.
    Finally, the construction of any large single telescope presents a 
unique potential problem: the telescope being constructed is also the 
prototype. This issue is particularly acute when the telescope breaks 
new ground in technology, as was the case with the GBT.

                         MILLIMETER ARRAY (MMA)

    Question. In light of the situation with respect to your ongoing 
telescope projects, why is it necessary to start forward with the new 
Millimeter Array radio telescope? Please describe the project, the 
outyear funding implications, as well as your interactions with NASA to 
coordinate with ongoing NASA programs.
    Answer. We are confident that the construction and management of 
the Millimeter Array (MMA) will not encounter the same type of concerns 
involved with the Green Bank Telescope (GBT) and the Arecibo radio 
telescope. The MMA is a mature concept; there are no technical 
impediments to making the instrument work.
    Any problems encountered in developing the prototype during the 
Design and Development phase will be resolved prior to beginning the 
construction phase of the project. Construction of the MMA was endorsed 
by the Astronomy and Astrophysics Survey Committee of the National 
Research Council (NRC) as the highest-priority radio astronomy project 
for the 1990's in its last decadal planning study (the ``Bahcall 
Report''). Most important, momentum for the project has built up over 
the past few years to the point where there is now strong international 
interest in cooperation; postponement could put this at serious risk.
    The MMA will be the world's most sensitive and highest-resolution 
millimeter-wavelength telescope, and will consist of an array of 
antennas rather than a single antenna. In the proposed Design and 
Development phase, it will be possible to construct a true prototype, 
resolve on a small scale any problems that will be encountered, and 
then proceed to replicate the prototype many times during the 
construction phase. Millimeter wavelength astronomy provides a testing 
ground for theories of star birth and stellar evolution, galaxy 
formation and evolution, and the evolution of the Universe itself. The 
chemistry and composition of the interstellar medium, the earliest 
stages of star formation, and the internal kinematics of luminous 
galaxies are uniquely revealed by observations at millimeter 
wavelengths. The MMA will combine angular resolution comparable to that 
of the Hubble Space Telescope with the sensitivity of a single antenna 
over 50 meters in diameter.
    With these capabilities, the MMA will reveal the inner workings of 
the central black hole ``engines'' which power quasars, and will make 
possible a search for planets around hundreds of nearby stars. 
Instrumentation to be developed for the MMA will push existing gallium 
arsenide (GaAs) and indium phosphide (InP) amplifier technology to high 
frequencies, will challenge production of high-density, high-speed 
integrated circuits, and can be expected to stimulate commercial device 
and communication technologies.
    Physically, the MMA is to consist of 40 transportable, precision 
antennas, each eight meters in diameter and equipped with a suite of 
advanced receivers. To fulfill its potential, the array must be located 
at a high, dry site. Two candidate sites currently under serious 
consideration and undergoing testing for sky transparency and phase 
stability are Mauna Kea, Hawaii, and a high plateau in Northern Chile.
    The MMA was proposed to NSF by the National Radio Astronomy 
Observatory in 1990. It is expected that the MMA will be a cooperative 
project, with the construction and operating costs to be shared by 
international partners or other Federal agencies. The NRAO has active 
discussions underway with the Netherlands, Japan, Chile and Spain.
    The total cost for design, development and construction of the MMA 
is estimated at $232 million. Estimated annual funding requirements 
are:

                            [By fiscal year]

                                                             In millions
Design and development phase:
    1998..........................................................  $9.0
    1999..........................................................   9.0
    2000..........................................................   8.0
Capital construction phase:
    2001..........................................................  30.8
    2002..........................................................  50.5
    2003..........................................................  50.6
    2004..........................................................  38.1
    2005..........................................................  35.9
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      Total....................................................... 231.9

    Although we have presented a five year capital construction 
timeline, the design and development phase will address the question of 
the optimum construction period for this project. Also, current budget 
planning models assume cost-sharing between NSF and international/other 
agency partners on roughly a 60/40 percent basis.
    The annual operating cost for the MMA is estimated to be $8.5 
million in fiscal year 1998 dollars. All of the U.S. share of the 
operating funds will come from the Research and Related Activities 
appropriation; however, approximately $3 million of these funds will 
come from the closure of the NRAO 12m millimeter-wave antenna on Kitt 
Peak.
    NSF would welcome NASA participation in the MMA project as part of 
the Space Agency's Origins initiative. Discussions between the NSF and 
NASA staff have been held, as yet with no definite results.

                         POLAR CAP OBSERVATORY

    Question. The budget also proposes another new start, the Polar Cap 
Observatory. In this very tight budget environment, why are you 
proposing this new start at this time?
    Answer. Completion of the PCO by the year 2001 will allow 
observations during the Sun's next sunspot maximum phase, during which 
the dramatic effects of solar storms on Earth's upper atmosphere occur 
more frequently. The Polar Cap Observatory (PCO) is planned for 
construction in Resolute Bay, Northwest Territory, Canada and will be 
completed in three years.
    The facility will include an array of radiowave and optical 
instruments for remotely sensing properties of the upper atmosphere and 
ionosphere. The centerpiece of the facility is a large, state-of-the-
art incoherent scatter radar. Fiscal year 1998 proposed funding of $25 
million fully constructs the PCO with no further construction funds 
required in the outyears. The PCO will also complement a constellation 
of international research satellites being deployed over the next five 
years.
    At a location very close to Earth's magnetic pole, the site of 
unique atmospheric phenomena such as sun-aligned auroral arcs and 
drifting ionospheric plasma clouds, the PCO will serve as the apex of 
both the U.S. and European chains of large upper atmospheric radar 
facilities. The PCO will allow us to better understand these unique 
atmospheric phenomena, enabling us to better forecast space weather, 
leading to the prevention of satellite damage, communication and 
navigation disruptions, and electrical power loss.

                         LARGE HADRON COLLIDER

    Question. While not yet in the NSF budget, the Department of Energy 
is proposing an advance appropriation of nearly $400 million for the 
Large Hadron Collider as part of its fiscal year 1998 budget. Is the 
Foundation planning on participating in the LHC and if so, when and in 
what way? Please provide the Foundation's funding profile and 
programmatic interest in the LHC.
    Answer. In February 1996, the National Science Board approved a 
Project Development Plan which authorizes NSF to proceed with planning 
and R&D support for possible eventual NSF participation in the Large 
Hadron Collider (LHC). In fiscal year 1996, about $1 million was 
provided from the Research and Related Activities (R&RA) account for 
these activities. We are planning to spend up to $1.4 million toward 
R&D in both fiscal year 1997 and fiscal year 1998. NSF grantees are 
proposing involvement in two detectors, ATLAS and CMS. NSF will not be 
involved in the construction of the LHC accelerator. It is standard 
practice at accelerator labs around the world that participating 
parties make financial and in-kind contributions to hardware for the 
experiments (i.e. the detectors) in which they are involved. NSF 
support for the construction of the detectors would likely begin in 
fiscal year 1999 and end in fiscal year 2003.
    NSF support for R&D and construction of the detectors was projected 
to be approximately $81 million. It is likely that a substantial 
portion of the funds will be requested through the Major Research 
Equipment (MRE) account, although the internal discussions that will 
shape our request have not yet been completed.
    We anticipate that about $61 million of the $81 million total would 
go to ATLAS R&D and construction, and the remaining $20 million to CMS 
R&D and construction. Operations costs for NSF participants would be in 
addition to these amounts, and would be provided via NSF's usual 
proposals procedures from R&RA resources.
    The National Science Board (NSB) authorized NSF participation in 
these construction projects at its May 1997 meeting. CERN has been 
informed from the beginning that NSB approval is necessary prior to 
NSF's involvement. This is written into the ``Umbrella Agreement'' and 
the ``Experiment Protocol'' that have recently been initialed by DOE, 
NSF, and CERN. The Director General of CERN, Chris Llewellyn-Smith, 
attended the March 1997 NSB meeting to discuss the LHC project with the 
Board.
    The DOE and the NSF have worked very closely together on this 
project. The process has been mutually consultative at each step over 
the last two or more years, and the result, in terms of inter-agency 
cooperation, has been very positive. Dr. Martha Krebs, Director of the 
Office of Energy Research at DOE, also attended the March 1997 NSB 
meeting to discuss the LHC project with the Board.
    To our knowledge, CERN has never stated that the U.S. would not be 
allowed access to the LHC should we not contribute. The Director of 
CERN, Chris Llewellyn-Smith, has recently reaffirmed that CERN has an 
``open door'' policy with respect to U.S. participation in the LHC. 
This policy is a continuation of long-standing international tradition 
in the fields of nuclear and particle physics.

                        UNDERGRADUATE EDUCATION

    Question. The fiscal year 1998 budget also puts a rather high 
priority on undergraduate education--with a particularly large emphasis 
on an undergraduate reform initiative. What are your reasons for 
emphasizing undergraduate education seemingly, by the way, at the 
expense of the precollege level of education?
    Answer. In fiscal year 1998, NSF requests an increase of $11.3 
million (or 12.9 percent) for several critical undergraduate areas--
teacher education, undergraduate institutional reform, and advanced 
technological education. Many of these NSF-funded undergraduate 
programs will in fact have a major impact on K-12 education. The 
rationale for these areas of emphasis are as follows:
  --Pre-Service Teacher Education.--The availability of well-trained 
        teachers has been identified as one of the most critical needs 
        of school systems engaged in science and mathematics reform. 
        Retirements, student population growth, and turnover will 
        require the hiring of more than two million teachers during the 
        next decade, over 75 percent at elementary and middle grade 
        levels. Therefore, NSF is investing more of its teacher 
        education resources in accelerating production and subsequent 
        career retention of teachers whose preparation meets national 
        science and mathematics education standards.
  --Undergraduate Institution Reform.--Recent studies highlight the 
        need for improving undergraduate education in science, 
        mathematics, engineering, and technology (SMET) in order to 
        achieve major gains in learning for all students--SMET majors, 
        non-majors, and the future K-12 instructional workforce. 
        Building on pilot efforts, this program will lead to visionary 
        institutional models for stimulating the modernization of 
        academic culture and infrastructure through development of 
        innovative curricula and courses; revision of faculty reward 
        systems; modification of operating policies, procedures, and 
        budgets; and development of effective partnerships with 
        industry and the broader community.
  --Advanced Technological Workforce.--Critical high-technology 
        industrial sectors face shortages of personnel with requisite 
        SMET expertise. Program efforts in this area address this need, 
        as well as strengthen the capacity of two-year colleges to 
        deliver SMET education. The effort also facilitates the 
        transition among secondary schools, two- and four-year 
        institutions, and the workplace and builds effective 
        partnerships between the academic and industrial sectors.
    The proposed fiscal year 1998 support for preK-12 education ($376 
million) is a relatively modest decline of $1.73 million from fiscal 
year 1997. Within this relatively stable funding environment, NSF can 
continue to strengthen its programmatic impact by broadening systemic 
reform efforts; redirecting teacher education activities; and focusing 
attention on materials development and implementation strategies that 
effectively bring learning technologies into the classroom. NSF will 
also intensify its dissemination of standards-based curriculum models, 
research on teaching and learning, and effective strategies for 
systemic reform, teacher education, and the engagement of 
underrepresented groups (e.g., minorities, women, and the disabled) in 
SMET disciplines.

                     SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY CENTERS

    Question. The fiscal year 1998 budget proposes a net decrease in 
support of your science and technology centers of about $6 million. 
What is the Foundation's long range plan for the science and tech 
centers programs? Are you beginning to phase it out with this request?
    Answer. NSF has recently concluded a major evaluation of the 
Science and Technology Centers (STC) program in order to determine the 
future of the program. The National Academy of Public Administrators 
(NAPA) performed an evaluation of the management of the STC program and 
published their findings in NSF's STC Program--Building an 
Interdisciplinary Research Paradigm (July 1995). Abt Associates Inc., 
under contract to the NSF, performed an evaluation of the STC program 
to determine the progress of the program towards its stated goals. This 
study was completed in June 1996. The National Research Council also 
performed an assessment of this program and the utility of this mode of 
support for fostering interdisciplinary research and published a report 
on their findings in An Assessment of the NSF's STC Program (August 
1996). Finally, an STC ad hoc Advisory Committee reviewed the findings 
of the aforementioned reports as well as reports from the NSF research 
directorate advisory committees on the STC Program, and made 
recommendations to the Director of the NSF regarding the STC program 
and how it fits into the NSF strategic plan. All of the reviews and 
evaluations stated this mode of support was very valuable to the NSF 
portfolio and recommended that the STC program should be continued.
    NSF views the STC program as a vehicle for innovation in the 
integrative conduct of research and education and knowledge transfer. 
This program helps NSF fulfill its strategic vision and, with 
programmatic and management modifications, we will continue to support 
it.
    On the basis of the numerous evaluations and reviews, in February 
1997, the National Science Board approved a plan to hold a new 
competition for Science and Technology Centers: Integrative 
Partnerships. This competition for new centers will be initiated in 
fiscal year 1998, with new competitions to be held about every three 
years. Each competition is expected to be for approximately $25 million 
with a steady-state being reached in 2006 of approximately $75 million.
    In the guidelines for the initial Science and Technology Centers 
program, it was written that the awardees would have a maximum of 
eleven years of NSF support and would be phased out in the final two 
years of their awards if they continued to be successful. In fiscal 
year 1998 the planned budget phase-down for the first cohort of STC's 
begins. Also in fiscal year 1998, NSF will have shut down two STC's due 
to performance issues. These factors contribute to the net decrease in 
support for STC's in the fiscal year 1998 budget.

          LASER INTERFEROMETER GRAVITATIONAL WAVE OBSERVATORY

    Question. Support for the LIGO observatory is slated to decline by 
some $22 million in fiscal year 1998. Presumably, this is because the 
construction phase of this project is beginning to come to an end. 
Please provide a brief update on LIGO.
    Answer. The fiscal year 1998 request for LIGO construction of $26 
million represents the final increment of support for LIGO 
construction. The construction at Washington is proceeding on schedule, 
but unusual rainy weather has delayed the scheduled initiation of 
construction activities at the Louisiana site. This is not expected to 
cause any significant delay in the final completion of the entire 
construction project.
    In Washington, the concrete slabs supporting the two beam tubes (4 
km vacuum pipes) have been finished. All beam tube sections produced 
have been individually tested, and no leaks were discovered that were 
due to the manufacturing process. Manufacture of the remaining tube 
sections is nearing completion and the contractor is planning to 
demobilize the spiral beam tube mill around June 1 in order to move it 
to Louisiana. Currently, one entire beam tube has been assembled and 
vacuum testing will begin shortly. The manufacture of all the 2,500 
precast concrete beam tube enclosures is complete, and the casting 
forms are being demobilized for shipment to Louisiana. The corner and 
mid-station buildings are under construction. The vacuum equipment 
vendor has completed six of the large vacuum chambers which will house 
the optical components needed for the experimental program.
    In Louisiana, the first concrete was poured in March. Preparations 
are underway for the installation of the concrete slabs, and the road 
along one arm has been constructed. The state of Louisiana has 
completed construction of the bypass road which provides alternate 
access to the southern end of the facility.

                PRECOLLEGE TEACHERS OF SCIENCE AND MATH

    Question. In fiscal year 1998 you are proposing to increase your 
support for teacher preparation substantially (up by $7 million) while 
at the same time you are calling for a reduction in support for teacher 
enhancement to the tune of $8 million. Please explain the difference 
between teacher preparation and teacher enhancement and why the teacher 
preparation program is being emphasized seemingly at the expense of 
enhancement activities.
    Answer. Teacher training activities--both preparation and 
enhancement--remain high priority areas within NSF's support of K-12 
education. The goal of both programs is to support development of a K-
12 instructional workforce with sufficient grounding in disciplinary 
content and pedagogy to deliver standards-based science and mathematics 
education. Teacher preparation focuses on undergraduate education of 
pre-service (or future) teachers; teacher enhancement focuses on 
strengthening skills of in-service teachers (i.e., the current 
workforce). In general, teacher preparation is viewed as a long-term 
strategy for improving the instructional workforce while teacher 
enhancement is more short-term in nature. Each strategy complements the 
other and activities must be coordinated. Over time, stronger pre-
service teacher training will change the nature of in-service training.
    The redirection of funding to teacher pre-service education is 
derived from identified needs at the national level, as well as those 
to ensure success of NSF systemic reform projects. Studies show that 
(1) retirements, student population growth, and turnover will result in 
the hiring of more than two million teachers during the next decade, 
over 75 percent at elementary and middle grade levels and (2) 
availability of well-trained teachers presents a major obstacle to the 
effective implementation of science and mathematics education reform. 
In fiscal year 1998, NSF intends to pursue a revised strategy for 
teacher preparation that will accelerate production and subsequent 
career retention of teachers whose preparation meets national science 
and mathematics education standards.
    Teacher enhancement operates in an environment in which a vast 
majority of an instructional workforce of more than 2.5 million 
teachers requires remedial training, especially at the K-8 grade 
levels. Over the past several years, teacher enhancement has pursued a 
strategy for training the instructional workforce within entire 
districts thereby broadening program impact, strengthening the training 
of individual teachers, and positioning school districts for continual 
development of their instructional workforce well after termination of 
NSF funding. The gains made under this strategy will leave in place a 
strong program despite the budget reduction.

                      OCEAN DRILLING VESSEL REFIT

    Question. The budget proposes to allocate about $1.5 million for 
some retrofit work associated with the ocean drilling vessel. Please 
provide the agency's future plans for the ocean drilling program.
    Answer. The Ocean Drilling Program is a multinational program of 
basic scientific research in the oceans which uses drilling and data 
from drill holes to improve fundamental understanding of the role of 
physical, chemical and biological processes in the geological history, 
structure and evolution of the oceanic portion of the earth's crust. 
Operational support for this activity is shared by seven international 
partners, comprising 19 other countries.
    In fiscal year 1998, the JOIDES Resolution is scheduled for a mid-
life refit. This refit, which will cost $6 million over two years, is 
necessary to extend the life of the ship. This will be the first major 
replacement and upgrading of primary ship systems since the ODP began 
in 1985. Emphasis will be on ship station-keeping capability, pipe 
handling and drilling systems, and improvements to laboratory and 
personnel spaces. With these improvements, operational life of the 
vessel will be adequate to support the Program through 2003.
    An additional motivation for conducting a mid-life refit is that 
doing so will result in considerable cost savings to NSF. Under the 
terms of the operating contract for the ship, unless a refit is done, 
the daily rate NSF is charged for drilling activities will have to be 
renegotiated. The large increase in ocean drilling activities 
associated with oil exploration has caused the average industry daily 
rate to jump significantly. We estimate that a renegotiated daily rate 
would be at least twice what we currently pay. Under these assumptions, 
the entire cost of the mid-life refit will be recovered in cost savings 
in about 120 days of operation. The JOIDES Resolution is operated 
essentially year-round.
    In addition, planning for ocean drilling activity beyond 2003 is 
underway. JOIDES (Joint Oceanographic Institutions for Deep Earth 
Sampling) has recently published a Long Range Plan which calls for the 
addition of a second drilling vessel in the period following 2003. This 
vessel would be capable of deploying a marine riser and well-control 
equipment to improve hole stability while drilling deep holes and to 
allow drilling in areas of oil and gas accumulations.
    Simultaneously, the Science and Technology Agency (STA) in Japan 
has been working to attain resources to construct a next-generation 
drillship of the type envisioned by JOIDES. STA is committed to seeking 
the $500-$600 million required for the new vessel's construction.
    Recently, the Japanese and JOIDES plans have been merged into what 
is presently called the ``Integrated Ocean Drilling Program'' which 
would operate two vessels--one to undertake global studies of climate 
and oceanographic processes requiring large spatial arrays of cores, 
and the second to provide deep drilling for studies of continental and 
ocean crust evolution. NSF and STA staffs are pursuing additional 
international participation in the program.

                         ARCTIC RESEARCH VESSEL

    Question. Please provide an update on the Coast Guard icebreaker. 
What role is NSF playing so that this vessel will serve the needs of 
the arctic research community?
    Answer. NSF and the U.S. Coast Guard established an Arctic 
Icebreaker Coordinating Committee (AICC), which operates under the 
auspices of the University National Oceanographic Laboratory System 
(UNOLS). The AICC chair, Dr. James Swift of Scripps Institution of 
Oceanography, reports that the AICC has made an ``excellent start to a 
working relationship with the ship construction oversight group'' of 
the Coast Guard. The AICC, which represents the research community, has 
met both in Washington, DC, and at the shipyard in Louisiana where the 
icebreaker is being constructed. Based on these reports, the committee 
has made a number of recommendations regarding science-related layout 
and specifications of the ship and has found the Coast Guard receptive 
to these suggestions. In fact, certain changes in the main deck science 
area will be accommodated during construction instead of waiting until 
after delivery in 1998, as originally planned by the Coast Guard. Dr. 
Swift states that AICC is pleased that the Coast Guard is working to 
meet the needs of the research community. Final conclusions on the 
suitability of the ship for research support purposes will ultimately 
depend on sea trials, but at this point the research community is 
optimistic about progress with respect to the ship, which has been 
named the Healy.

     TECHNOLOGY PROGRAM IN RESEARCH, EVALUATION, AND COMMUNICATION

    Question. The Technology program in EHR is slated to increase by 
over 40 percent in fiscal year 1998. What is this program designed to 
accomplish and why is such a substantial increase necessary?
    Answer. In education, technology is both the catalyst for change 
and a means to implementing significant reform and restructuring. It 
affords the opportunity to equalize access to high-quality materials 
and expertise; to connect learning communities that foster development 
of knowledge bases; and to individualize instruction in response to 
differences in learning styles. Yet, the academic sector has yet to 
visualize the potential, let alone realize the benefits of the computer 
revolution.
    The Foundation brings leadership and critical expertise to 
research, experimentation, and implementation of educational 
technologies that support science, mathematics, engineering, and 
technology (SMET) education. Current programmatic emphasis is on 
developing new strategies that promise to make significant and lasting 
improvements in the nation's educational system. In fiscal year 1998, 
the technology-related increment of $5.25 million is directly 
attributable to Learning and Intelligent Systems (LIS) which supports 
the NSF-wide Knowledge and Distributed Intelligence (KDI) initiative. 
LIS will stimulate interdisciplinary research that promotes use and 
development of information technologies in learning. Priority will be 
placed on: (1) embedding technology within learning systems for 
judicious and appropriate use; (2) expanding R&D on advanced 
technologies for the enhancement of student achievement and teacher 
competencies in standards-based pre-K-12 education, as well as inquiry-
based undergraduate education; (3) integrating technology to enrich the 
pre-K-12 educational enterprise with emphasis on creating and modifying 
effective tools to enrich teaching and learning; and, (4) strengthening 
collaborations and partnerships between developers of learning 
technologies and education experts. Programming efforts will continue 
to focus on several critical issues: the absence of science and 
mathematics content for delivery by hardware/software systems; barriers 
afforded by the instructional workforce; and other factors that affect 
large-scale, systemic implementation (e.g., education policies, 
resources).

                    MAJOR RESEARCH EQUIPMENT ACCOUNT

    Question. Please provide your plans for the next five years for 
this account, including what projects you plan to fund and what dollar 
levels.
    Answer. The fiscal year 1998 Budget Request for the MRE account 
includes $85 million for four projects: completion of construction 
funding for Laser Interferometer Gravitational-Wave Observatory ($26 
million); initial funding for the design and development phase of the 
Millimeter Array ($9 million); construction of the Polar Cap 
Observatory ($25 million); and initial requirements for modernization 
of South Pole Station ($25 million). In addition, there are several 
potential projects for future consideration.
    NSF senior management are currently conducting an annual review of 
MRE candidates to determine which projects may be considered for 
funding in fiscal year 1999 and which are more appropriate for later 
consideration. Decision factors include scientific merit, technical 
readiness, quality and comprehensiveness of the planning effort, impact 
on other programs, balance and availability of funds. Several projects 
are in the preliminary stage, with planning, design, construction and 
cost estimates still being assessed. With the exception of the Large 
Hadron Collider and continued work on South Pole Station, all of the 
other projects are at various stages in conceptual design.
    Below is a brief description of some potential future projects--
over the next five years and beyond--with preliminary cost estimates:
  --Large Hadron Collider (LHC).--The LHC will be constructed at the 
        CERN Laboratory in Geneva, Switzerland by a consortium of more 
        than 22 nations and will be the world's most energetic 
        accelerator. Coupled to this device will be four particle 
        detectors, including the two largest, most complex ever built, 
        ATLAS and CMS. NSF support for the construction phase of the 
        ATLAS and CMS projects, pending Congressional approval of U.S. 
        participation in the LHC project, is expected to be $81 
        million.
  --South Pole Station.--The Foundation is currently considering the 
        recommendations of the U.S. Antarctic Program External Panel 
        (the Augustine Panel) regarding modernization of the U.S. 
        research station at the South Pole. Those recommendations 
        outline the need to replace the station--for economic, safety 
        and operational reasons--at a cost of approximately $125 
        million. The fiscal year 1998 Budget Request includes $25 
        million toward this modernization, leaving an anticipated 
        balance in the range of $100 million for fiscal year 1999 and 
        beyond.
    The following potential projects are in a more preliminary planning 
phase than those cited above:
  --High Altitude Research Platform (HARP).--HARP is a specially-
        instrumented high altitude mid-sized jet with range, altitude 
        and communication capabilities that will significantly advance 
        national capabilities in airborne research and provide 
        measurement access over the entire globe. The acquisition cost, 
        which includes airframe, structural modifications, research 
        modifications, and instrumentation, is estimated at about $60 
        million.
  --National Network for High Performance Seismic Simulation (NHPS).--
        NHPS is a geographically distributed set of facilities linked 
        by an efficient communication network, for research in earth 
        sciences, geotechnical and structural engineering, and 
        earthquake-related social science that contributes to 
        earthquake hazard mitigation. The preliminary projected total 
        cost for developing new facilities, upgrading existing 
        facilities, integrating them and developing one or several user 
        networks is estimated to be in the range of $100 to $120 
        million.
  --Millimeter Array (MMA)--Construction Phase.--The MMA will be the 
        world's most sensitive, highest resolution, millimeter-wave 
        telescope. Following the proposed three-year design and 
        development phase of MMA (requested for funding in fiscal year 
        1998), NSF will decide whether to proceed to the capital 
        construction phase. Costs for construction are estimated to be 
        approximately $200 million. International or other agency 
        participation will be sought.
  --Coastal Research Vessel.--A coastal research vessel is planned as a 
        replacement for one or more existing aging research vessels. 
        Interdisciplinary studies of coastal systems require the 
        involvement of a large contingent of scientists engaged in a 
        diverse mix of activities, including the rapid sampling of 
        conditions for extended periods. The diversity of measurements, 
        experiments, and over-the-side operations necessary for the 
        conduct of science require extensive laboratory and deck space, 
        usually not available on the current coastal research ships. 
        Estimated costs for construction are in the range of $20 
        million to $30 million.
  --Ocean Drillship.--The Ocean Drilling Program (ODP) is a 
        multinational program, consisting of a total of seven 
        international partners involving nineteen nations. Continued 
        use of the Drilling Vessel (DV) JOIDES Resolution as the 
        primary facility for ODP coring and logging is anticipated 
        through at least 2003. In ongoing discussions with Japan and 
        European ODP partners on future drillship requirements, 
        possible alternatives have been identified including a major 
        refitting of the DV JOIDES Resolution. The U.S. will be 
        expected to help support the maintenance of ODP drillship 
        capabilities. If this alternative were to be pursued, the total 
        estimated cost is in the range of $50 million to $70 million.
  --National Spallation Neutron Source (NSNS).--The U.S. has fallen 
        behind the European scientific community in the past twenty 
        years in the availability of neutron sources and 
        instrumentation. No single agency is able to take full 
        responsibility for a facility of this kind. The proposal calls 
        for a joint partnership between DOE and NSF. DOE would 
        construct the proton accelerators and one fully instrumented 
        target area at a cost of approximately $1 billion. NSF would 
        assume the responsibility for the second fully instrumented 
        target area. At the present time, the estimated cost would be 
        approximately $150-175 million.
    This list provides an indication of the ongoing planning for major 
research equipment. Other projects are likely to be brought forward--
such as an ocean floor observatory system to understand processes in 
the ocean crust--as planning continues and as needs for forefront 
facilities are defined.
    Question. What mechanisms do you have in place to discourage cost 
overruns in major equipment projects?
    Answer. Projects funded through the Major Research Equipment (MRE) 
account contain award conditions which allow NSF to monitor the 
performance of the organizations that construct, manage and operate 
research facilities, and to oversee the expenditure of federal funds. 
Increasingly, large projects are being undertaken on a ``build-to-
cost'' basis that controls cost overruns. In the current MRE program, 
cost overruns are to be borne within the sponsoring organization within 
NSF, a policy that focuses additional attention by staff to this issue. 
The NSF Director names an NSF staff person to be responsible for 
monitoring progress during the construction phase of a MRE project and 
for advising on the transition from construction to operations. The 
responsibility for project management typically resides in the 
cognizant disciplinary division or office, with assistance provided as 
necessary from other parts of the NSF. Status reports on the progress 
of MRE projects are provided by the responsible directorate or office 
at least semiannually to the Chief Operating Officer, the Director and 
to the National Science Board (NSB).
    At its February 1997 NSB meeting, the NSB Committee on Programs and 
Plans received status reports on all major facilities construction 
projects. At the present time, internal discussions with staff about 
the oversight of large facilities are being conducted by the Chief 
Operating Officer. Recommendations will be made to the Director based 
on these discussions.

                        NEXT GENERATION INTERNET

    Question. What is NSF's role in the interagency Next Generation 
Internet project? What are the expected outcomes for this project.
    The Next Generation Internet project has three closely-related 
goals:
    1. To connect about 100 leading research universities and labs with 
an advanced network fabric that provides an increase of 100 fold in 
end-to-end performance and serves as a testbed for the development of 
future Internet technologies,
    2. To develop, test, and model future network technologies that 
provide differentiated qualities of service, enhanced reliability and 
security, and other capabilities required for advanced applications of 
the Internet, and
    3. To develop and model advanced applications that better support 
important national objectives in research, education, medicine, crisis 
management, commerce, etc.
    NSF will play an important role in all three facets of the NGI:
    1. NSF's ongoing ``high-performance connections'' program will play 
a central role in the first NGI goal by interconnecting about 100 
leading universities and their research partners to NSF's existing 
VBNS, the very high-speed backbone network service. (The VBNS recently 
has been selected as the primary network of ``Internet 2,'' a 
university-based consortium committed to the development of advanced 
networking to support future modes of education.)
    2. NSF will continue to fund research in network technologies in a 
coordinated effort with DARPA and other agencies.
    3. NSF will direct more than $200 million in new and existing 
funding to the development of a wide variety of advanced network 
applications in the cross-foundation Knowledge and Distributed 
Intelligence (KDI) program.
    Nearly all programs in NSF are expected to substantially benefit 
from the deployment of the advanced network fabric of the NGI, and some 
(e.g., the PACI partnerships) depend by design on NSF's success in the 
connections program.

            LIFE IN EXTREME ENVIRONMENTS (LEXEN) INITIATIVE

    Question. The NSF budget includes funding for an initiative called 
``Life in Extreme Environments (LExEn),'' an exobiology program that is 
one of the components of the Administration's Origins Initiative. While 
$35.9 million is requested for this program in 1998, it appears that 
little of this investment represents new money. Given the 
Administration's emphasis on this particular initiative, including the 
meeting which the Vice President hosted last fall, why are there no 
additional funds proposed for it in 1998?
    Answer. Recent discoveries of the incredible diversity of microbial 
life here on Earth, the development of molecular techniques for 
analyzing genetic material, discoveries concerning volcanism on our 
ocean floors, oceans on Europa, and extra-solar planets around other 
stars, have revolutionized our perceptions of life and the potential 
for life in extreme environments.
    To capitalize on these discoveries, the National Science Foundation 
invested $6 million in fiscal year 1997 in a special competition 
focused on the development and application of techniques, technologies 
and methodologies associated with the Life in Extreme Environments 
(LExEn) initiative. Together with related research, the total effort 
for the LExEn initiative accounted for more than $35 million in fiscal 
year 1997.
    We estimate that our investment in the LExEn Activity will continue 
to exceed $35 million in fiscal year 1998. This estimate is based upon 
support that individual programs within the Foundation expect to devote 
to the LExEn Activity. NSF believes that the research accomplished at 
this funding level, along with increased support for specific 
activities not included under the LExEn umbrella, will contribute 
significantly to the ORIGINS initiative.

                    NSF PARTICIPATION IN ``ORIGINS''

    Question. We understand that NASA, the Department of Energy (DOE), 
and NSF are discussing the consideration of an interagency Origins 
program, with NSF taking a broader role than simply to support the 
LExEn initiative, but to include a significant role in the use of 
ground-based optical observatories to help in the detection of planets 
and determine the origins of the universe. We further understand that 
NSF alone has been unwilling to sign this proposed agreement. Can you 
explain why the Foundation has not agreed to support this interagency 
effort and when we might see a change of heart from the leadership of 
the Math and Physical Sciences Directorate to support a significant and 
meaningful role for NSF in Origins?
    Answer. NSF's support for ``Origins'' research includes continued 
funding for the Life in Extreme Environments (LExEn) initiative, 
increased funding for a number of research activities to be supported 
collaboratively with NASA or the Department of Energy (DOE) under the 
``Origins'' umbrella, support for the Design and Development phase of 
the Millimeter Array, and support for the Gemini Telescopes. Together, 
these constitute a much broader role for NSF than simply maintaining 
support for the LExEn initiative.
    NSF is unaware of any proposed interagency agreement concerning 
``Origins'' but is participating actively with NASA and DOE in 
developing a brochure describing the activities of the three agencies 
concerning ``Origins'' research. NSF regards the suite of activities 
described above to constitute a very significant and meaningful role 
for NSF in ``Origins''. In fact a major portion of NSF's Division of 
Astronomical Sciences' efforts are focused already on questions related 
to the origin of the Universe. Within the next two years, the upgraded 
Arecibo Telescope, the new Green Bank Telescope, and the Gemini 
Telescope in Mauna Kea will become operational, adding immensely to the 
capabilities for exploring these questions.

             OPTICAL ASTRONOMY PARTICIPATION IN ``ORIGINS''

    Question. Does NSF's outyear planning estimates (fiscal year 1999-
2002) for the MPS Directorate assume any funding in optical astronomy 
for the Origins Initiative over and above the base funding for 
astronomy? If so, please explain. If not, please advise the Committee 
on why this has been given relatively lower priority relative to other 
NSF programs, particularly within MPS.
    Answer. NSF's outyear planning for optical astronomy does assume 
funding for ``Origins'' over and above the base funding for astronomy. 
This includes (1) increased participation in the Life in Extreme 
Environments (LExEn) initiative, and (2) a joint effort with NASA to 
support comparative investigations of planetary atmospheres. Probably 
the most important development in NSF's efforts in optical astronomy in 
the outyears will be the completion of construction of the Gemini 
Telescopes and the beginning of Gemini operations, first at Mauna Kea 
in 1998 and at Cerro Pachon in Chile in 2000.

                          subcommittee recess

    Senator Bond. There being no further business to come 
before the subcommittee, we stand recessed.
    [Whereupon, at 11:10 a.m., Tuesday, April 22, the 
subcommittee was recessed, to reconvene subject to the call of 
the Chair.]


 DEPARTMENTS OF VETERANS AFFAIRS AND HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT AND 
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                         THURSDAY, MAY 1, 1997

                                       U.S. Senate,
           Subcommittee of the Committee on Appropriations,
                                                    Washington, DC.
    The subcommittee met at 2:23 p.m., in room SD-124, Dirksen 
Senate Office Building, Hon. Christopher S. Bond (chairman) 
presiding.
    Present: Senators Bond, Mikulski, and Harkin.
    Also present: Senator Faircloth.

                     DEPARTMENT OF VETERANS AFFAIRS

                        Office of the Secretary

STATEMENT OF HON. JESSE BROWN, SECRETARY
ACCOMPANIED BY:
        KENNETH W. KIZER, M.D., M.P.H., UNDER SECRETARY FOR HEALTH
        D. MARK CATLETT, ASSISTANT SECRETARY FOR MANAGEMENT
        STEPHEN L. LEMONS, ACTING UNDER SECRETARY FOR BENEFITS
        JERRY BOWEN, DIRECTOR, NATIONAL CEMETERY SYSTEM
        KATHY E. JURADO, ASSISTANT SECRETARY FOR PUBLIC AND 
            INTERGOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS
        WILLIAM MERRIMAN, DEPUTY INSPECTOR GENERAL
        EDWARD SCOTT, ASSISTANT SECRETARY FOR CONGRESSIONAL AFFAIRS
        SHIRLEY C. CAROZZA, DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY FOR BUDGET
        ROGER BAUER, VICE CHAIRMAN, BOARD OF VETERANS' APPEALS
        MARY LOU KEENER, GENERAL COUNSEL
        EUGENE BRICKHOUSE, ASSISTANT SECRETARY FOR HUMAN RESOURCES AND 
            ADMINISTRATION
        DENNIS DUFFY, ASSISTANT SECRETARY FOR POLICY AND PLANNING

                OPENING STATEMENT OF CHRISTOPHER S. BOND

    Senator Bond. Good afternoon. The committee will come to 
order. Let me apologize again for the schedule of the Senate. 
We had a vote that began just after 2 p.m., and I wanted to 
make that vote so that I could come back and start as soon as 
possible.
    Senator Mikulski, who has been here, asked us to go ahead. 
I will make sure to submit to her a full copy of my written 
statement so she will not miss anything, and we are very 
pleased today to welcome on behalf of the Department of 
Veterans Affairs on the fiscal year 1998 budget request 
Secretary Jesse Brown and other VA officials.
    The Department of Veterans Affairs appropriations request 
totals about $40 billion, including $21.3 billion in mandatory 
programs and $18.7 billion in discretionary programs. 
Discretionary appropriations would decrease in fiscal year 1998 
by $225 million, while mandatory programs would increase by 
about $1 billion.
    In general, VA's budget request is modest, and the goals 
presented are worthy, albeit ambitious. The budget reflects 
continued progress in overhauling VA service delivery without a 
massive price tag. However, there are a number of important 
concerns raised by the budget request.
    The largest discretionary program in this subcommittee's 
jurisdiction, and one of our highest priorities, is veterans' 
medical care, for which no increase has been requested. In 
fact, under the President's budget VA medical care actually 
would be reduced by $54.6 million owing to some accounting 
changes, but in essence the proposed budget would freeze VA 
medical care at about $17 billion in fiscal year 1998.
    In order to finance the increase VA believes is necessary 
to cover inflation, payroll, and other increases, the 
administration is proposing the Department be authorized to 
retain third-party collections and veterans copayments totaling 
about $468 million after deducting administrative costs.
    Mr. Secretary, the administration's proposal is a great 
gamble, with veterans' medical care at stake. I am concerned 
that, while it provides an incentive for VA to improve cost 
recovery, and that is not a bad idea, the concept is part of a 
large and, frankly, controversial package of proposed user fees 
for a number of departments.
    Should VA's proposal not be enacted as part of the budget 
reconciliation legislation, I really question whether the 
Veterans Health Administration could avoid making large 
reductions in staff and undertaking other major cost-cutting 
measures if no increase in discretionary appropriations were to 
be provided.
    We have to acknowledge, and we are delighted to 
acknowledge, that the VA has made significant and impressive 
changes to its health care system in the last 2 years. The 
system has been completely restructured. Major improvements 
have been put in place and are continuing to be implemented, 
such as enrolling patients in primary care, eliminating 
redundancies and unnecessary management layers, increasing the 
use of ambulatory care, and implementing bulk purchasing.
    These changes have enabled the VA to redirect millions of 
dollars to patient care. In just one of VA's 22 networks 
savings of $130 million have been made this year alone. VA has 
actually managed to do more with less, a real success story of 
which you and your team can rightfully be proud.
    In addition, VA has overhauled its allocation methodology, 
vastly improving the fairness and appropriateness with which 
resources are allocated to facilities. While some fine tuning 
may be needed, the new system is a tremendous step forward.
    The changes have occurred in large part due to the 
leadership and vision particularly of Dr. Ken Kizer. He 
deserves accolades for bringing these important and long-needed 
changes about.
    Before Dr. Kizer's arrival at the VA, the idea of such 
dramatic changes would have been considered heresy, and Dr. 
Kizer I hope still you are not being tried for heresy in the 
Department, but I am afraid a funding freeze would do more than 
force efficiencies. A funding freeze could have the effect of 
eviscerating some of the improvements which are now underway.
    The American Legion has advised us that the flat 
appropriations levels recommended in the fiscal year 1998-2002 
medical care budget proposal are far beyond what the system can 
absorb without jeopardizing the quantity, quality, timeliness 
and access to care.

    Mr. Secretary, if you recall, at last year's hearing you 
stated VA could not operate on flat funding. You said it would 
force VA to eliminate about 60,000 physicians and deny care to 
about one million veterans and would force you to close the 
equivalent of 41 hospitals. We raised questions about that at 
the time, and I still have some questions about the adequacy of 
the budget request before us.
    In addition, the President's budget is predicated on the 
assumption that VA can achieve a 30-percent reduction in per-
patient cost, a 20-percent increase in the number of patients 
served, a 10-percent increase in revenues from nonappropriated 
sources by the year 2002. It would be a great feat if you could 
do it. Again, I am from Missouri. You are going to have to show 
me.

                           PREPARED STATEMENT

    VA's 30-20-10 goal is based on enactment of the cost 
recovery proposal, and the Medicare subvention proposal, both 
of which are controversial and problematic. In addition, we do 
have some concerns about whether VA's projections are overly 
optimistic. GAO has submitted testimony for the record today, 
and unlike most GAO reports, it notes with approval many of the 
changes that have been undertaken, and I again commend you on 
the favorable report from an agency not always prone to give 
favorable reports.
    [The statement follows:]

                Prepared Statement of Stephen P. Backhus

    Mr. Chairman and Members of the Subcommittee: We are pleased to 
contribute this statement for the record for the Subcommittee's 
deliberations on the President's 1998 budget request for the Department 
of Veterans Affairs (VA) health care system. With a 1997 medical care 
appropriation of $17 billion and a declining veteran population, VA 
faces increasing pressure to contain or reduce spending as part of 
governmentwide efforts to achieve a balanced budget. Last year, we 
reported that VA's health care system had the opportunity to reduce its 
operating costs by billions of dollars over the next several years.\1\
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    \1\ VA Health Care: Opportunities for Service Delivery Efficiencies 
Within Existing Resources (GAO/HEHS-96-121, July 25, 1996) and VA 
Health Care: Opportunities to Increase Efficiency and Reduce Resource 
Needs (GAO/T-HEHS-96-99, Mar. 8, 1996).
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    VA's 1998 budget proposal requests a medical care funding level of 
$17.6 billion, consisting of an appropriation of almost $17 billion and 
a legislative proposal to retain insurance payments and other third-
party reimbursements.\2\ VA characterizes this as the first step in a 
5-year plan to reduce its per patient cost by 30 percent, increase 
patients served by 20 percent, and finance 10 percent of its 
expenditures using nonappropriated revenues by the year 2002. VA 
proposes to use appropriations of about $17 billion over the next 5 
years and supplement this with increases in third-party reimbursements 
that are estimated to be $1.7 billion in 2002.
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    \2\ This includes $123 million of administrative costs for third-
party insurance recoveries and $68 million of reimbursements for 
veterans compensation and pension examinations.
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    Our comments focus on VA's 5-year plan, including the outlook for 
attaining the stated targets and the potential effects on veterans and 
others. In addition, as requested by the Subcommittee, we also offer 
our preliminary observations on VA's progress on two major initiatives: 
developing a method to more equitably allocate resources and 
establishing a decentralized management structure to more efficiently 
and effectively deliver services. We plan to provide the Subcommittee 
more detailed information on these two initiatives at a later date.
    Our comments on VA's budget proposal are based on past and ongoing 
work to assess operating policies, procedures, and practices of VA 
hospitals and clinics.\3\ We spoke with hundreds of VA officials and 
examined a wide array of documents, including VA's budget submission, 
annual reports, and studies done by VA's Office of Inspector General 
and others. Our comments on VA's decentralized management and resource 
allocation initiatives are based on information obtained from 
discussions with officials at headquarters and seven networks as well 
as a review of documents they provided.
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    \3\ A list of related GAO testimonies and reports appears at the 
end of this statement.
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    In summary, while VA's budget goals may be attainable, they also 
carry implications such as limited deficit reduction contributions and 
potential risks to low-income, uninsured veterans. Achieving increased 
efficiency is not contingent on either increases in patients served or 
resources. VA's ongoing efforts to restructure its health care system 
could yield billions of dollars in savings during the next 5 years. A 
large part of these savings would be realized through more efficient 
use of its workforce, which will allow the existing patient base to be 
served with fewer employees. In fact, sufficient savings could be 
generated to afford VA an opportunity to increase patients served 
without new resources or increase its contribution to deficit 
reduction. Furthermore, VA can significantly decrease its reliance on 
appropriated resources by using its existing authority to sell excess 
capacity to help other federal agencies meet their beneficiaries' 
health care needs.
    VA's proposal to generate billions of dollars in new revenue to 
serve 20 percent more patients intensifies VA's direct competition with 
the private sector and potentially leaves low income, uninsured 
veterans vulnerable. VA may be able to attain its revenue goals only by 
attracting thousands of new users who have higher incomes or public or 
private insurance. And such new VA users are likely to be drawn from 
private providers who may see their revenue base erode as patients 
shift to VA care. Moreover, VA may spend unreimbursed resources on 
these veterans that could reduce the availability of resources for low-
income, uninsured veterans.
    VA also faces a difficult challenge as it takes steps to implement 
a new resource allocation method to improve veterans' access to VA care 
and a decentralized management structure to improve resource 
utilization. These initiatives promise improvements in equity and have 
stimulated significant changes in efficiency. However, VA's challenge 
will be to adequately monitor these changes to identify and correct 
unintended effects such as those that limit equity of access.

                               BACKGROUND

    VA's role in providing for the health care needs of veterans has 
evolved over time. During its first 50 years, VA predominantly served 
veterans who had disabilities caused or aggravated by military service 
and other low-income, uninsured veterans in need of a health care 
safety net. Over the past 10 years, VA has also served higher income 
and insured veterans with nonservice-connected conditions. Over time, 
however, VA's patient base has been shifting from serving primarily 
veterans with service-connected conditions to those without service-
connected conditions. Currently, VA operates over 750 facilities, 
including 173 hospitals and over 400 outpatient clinics. These 
facilities serve 2.6 million of the nation's almost 26 million veterans 
as well as about 300,000 nonveterans.
    In 1995, to promote greater efficiency and services to veterans, VA 
created a new decentralized management structure, forming 22 Veterans 
Integrated Service Networks (VISN). These networks replaced the 
previous structure's four regions and expanded their authority. The 
VISN is now the basic budgetary and decision-making unit of VA's health 
care system and exercises management authority over VA facilities in 
its geographic area. This system of networks clearly places value on 
efficiency and customer service, and the networks are empowered to make 
a wide range of decisions regarding care delivery options. Under the 
recently enacted eligibility reform legislation (Public Law 104-262), 
for example, networks can contract with a broader range of private 
providers to purchase services at prices lower than VA's costs and 
generate revenue by selling excess services. In April 1997, VA 
implemented the Veterans Equitable Resource Allocation (VERA) system to 
allocate medical care appropriations among the 22 VISN's. VERA is 
intended to improve the equity of resource distribution throughout VA's 
health care system.
efficiency savings not dependent on increased number of veterans served
    Last year, we testified that VA could save billions of dollars over 
the next 7 years through improved efficiency. As noted before, the 
Congress subsequently gave VA the two additional tools-eligibility 
reform and expanded contracting authority--that VA said were key to the 
success of its efforts to increase efficiency. With these tools, VA can 
help veterans prevent costly hospital admissions and access lower cost 
services, regardless of where veterans reside. VA's 1998 budget 
request, however, suggests that VA will be able to achieve 30 percent 
efficiency savings over the next 5 years only if it has the additional 
resources to serve 20 percent more patients.
    Over the past 18 months, VA has taken aggressive steps to change 
the way it operates to reduce costs and improve services to veterans. 
These initiatives are expected to save billions of dollars by avoiding 
unnecessary expenditures. Most of the initiatives involve a resizing 
and more efficient use of its workforce, which accounts for over $10 
billion of VA's medical care budget. For example, VA is shifting 
patient care from inpatient to outpatient settings as well as reducing 
average lengths of inpatient stays. It is also consolidating management 
and clinical services of nearby hospitals to reduce costs. Moreover, VA 
is exploring opportunities to contract with other health care providers 
for services at costs lower than VA's.
    These restructuring efforts should save billions of dollars without 
attracting new users as the following examples indicate:
  --VA established a pre-admission screening process for hospitals 
        that, if effectively implemented, could save $8.4 billion over 
        the next 5 years.
  --VA integrated the management of two or more nearby facilities in 26 
        different locations, which should result in savings of $230 
        million over the next 5 years.
  --VA shifted substance abuse treatment from an inpatient to an 
        outpatient setting in one service location, which is expected 
        to result in savings of $10 million over the next 5 years.
    Currently, VA has teams exploring additional opportunities for 
streamlining operations and reducing workforce needs. Many of these 
teams are identifying ways to use lower cost methods for delivering 
services within individual facilities. For example, many facilities are
  --reducing patient bed-days of care, including one location that 
        would close seven medical wards and generate potential savings 
        of almost $50 million over the next 5 years, and
  --shifting inpatient surgeries to ambulatory settings, including one 
        location that shifted enough workload among facilities to close 
        two surgical wards and potentially save over $15 million during 
        the next 5 years.
    VA also has many teams exploring ways to consolidate services at 
nearby facilities. Such actions should result in significant savings 
over the next 5 years as shown by the following examples:
  --Facilities in one service area are planning to integrate eight 
        pathology and laboratory medicine services into a single 
        business unit with two central laboratories. This integration 
        is expected to save about $10 million over the next 5 years.
  --Facilities in another area are exploring ways to consolidate small 
        purchases into one location, which is expected to save over $20 
        million during the next 5 years.
    Additional savings opportunities could be available in later years 
from the closing of hospitals whose workloads may be shifted to nearby 
hospitals that have sufficient unused capacity to efficiently and 
effectively meet veterans' needs. For example, closing a facility with 
about 300 beds could save over $100 million in overhead costs alone 
during a 5-year period.

 EFFICIENCY SAVINGS COULD PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES TO SERVE MORE VETERANS 
                      WITHOUT ADDITIONAL RESOURCES

    VA could expand its current patient base if its efficiency savings 
exceed payroll and other cost increases. These costs are expected to be 
about $637 million in 1998 and to increase by a rate of about 4 percent 
a year over the next 5 years.
    The effect of VA's efficiency savings is to increase its purchasing 
power each year. For example, most of the savings are attributable to 
reductions in VA's workforce, which currently numbers about 189,000 
full-time equivalents. VA may need to reduce its workforce by about 
6,800 full-time equivalents to realize an annual savings of $637 
million. This level of reductions would decrease VA's resource needs by 
comparable amounts in succeeding years. Thus, an annual appropriation 
of $17 billion could be sufficient to serve 2.9 million patients in 
2002 if efficiency savings and cost increases approximate $637 million 
a year, on average. Moreover, VA could increase its patient base if its 
efficiency initiatives yield greater savings.

   ADDING RESOURCES FURTHER ENHANCES VA'S OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE MORE 
                                VETERANS

    VA's 1998 budget proposes reinvesting all efficiency savings and 
using additional resources to expand its patient base. VA expects to 
add a total of $5.8 billion in new resources over the next 5 years 
(from public and private insurers and others), starting with $737 
million in 1998 and increasing to $1.7 billion in 2002. VA expects that 
these additional resources will allow it to increase the number of 
veterans served by 587,000 which would increase its patient base from 
2.9 million to 3.5 million in 2002.
    If the targeted resource levels are attained, VA appears capable of 
attracting 587,000 new users by 2002. Recent expansion of VA's 
contracting authority and veterans' eligibility for care should 
facilitate creation of new access points, referred to as community-
based outpatient clinics, which along with VA's efforts to improve 
accessibility of existing hospital-based clinics are likely to attract 
new workload.
    For example, VA has opened or developed plans to open 86 new 
community-based clinics over the last 3 years. These clinics provide 
only primary care and refer veterans to VA hospitals for more 
specialized care. Last month, we surveyed the 12 clinics that had at 
least 2 years' operating experience and found that they had attracted 
3,000 new veterans. These clinics experienced the largest growth in 
their initial year and smaller growth in subsequent years. VA estimates 
that the remaining 74 clinics will serve over 128,000 users a year but 
has not estimated how many will be new VA users. Twenty-two of the new 
clinics estimated that between 5 and 60 percent of the patients served 
will be new users, while the rest expected to serve no new users or 
were unsure whether new users would be served.
    Although it plans to open many more clinics, VA told us that it is 
too early to estimate how many or where they will be located. Our 
analysis suggests that VA could need between 1,200 and 1,800 additional 
clinics to attract 587,000 new users if each clinic attracts between 
250 and 500 new veterans. The first 12 clinics averaged 250 in their 
initial years. These clinics also appear to provide an affordable way 
for VA to attract new users.
    In addition, VA's efforts to improve veterans' access to existing 
facilities should also attract new users. These initiatives include 
expanding primary care by extending operating times for hospital-based 
clinics to night and weekend hours as well as ways to reduce waiting 
times. For example, one hospital-based clinic reported enrolling 3,000 
new veterans for care during the first year after having made such 
accessibility improvements.
 
            EXPANDING VA'S RESOURCE BASE POSES CHALLENGES

    VA's revenue goal of $1.7 billion in 2002 includes estimated 
recoveries of about $902 million from private insurance, $557 million 
from Medicare, and $178 million from federal agencies and others. 
Attaining these targets may present a challenge as VA would probably 
have to attract thousands of new revenue-generating veterans. VA has 
provided, however, little information on the numbers of new veterans 
needed to meet revenue goals or how much of the revenue will come from 
inpatient or outpatient services. This lack of information creates 
uncertainties about VA's ability to achieve its revenue goals.
Increasing Recoveries From Private Health Insurance May Be Difficult
    VA currently serves insured veterans and recovers some or all of 
its costs of care from insurers. Presently, VA returns all recoveries 
to the Treasury, except those needed to cover VA's billing and 
collection costs. In 1996, VA deposited $455 million into the Treasury 
and used $119 million for administrative costs. VA's recovery of $574 
million represents a decline in recoveries from 1995, despite an 
increase in the number of users.
    VA's ability to increase future recoveries from its current insured 
patient base is uncertain for several reasons:
  --Veterans are increasingly covered by health maintenance and 
        preferred provider organizations from which VA generally cannot 
        recover.
  --As an increasing proportion of VA users become eligible for 
        Medicare, their private health insurance becomes secondary, so 
        potential recoveries drop.
  --As VA shifts from inpatient to outpatient settings, insurance 
        recoveries decrease and the cost of recovery increases.
  --VA found that Medigap insurers have been paying VA too much, which 
        will result in decreased future recoveries and refunds of about 
        $150 million a year.
  --VA's authority to recover from private health insurance for care 
        provided to service-connected veterans for non-service-related 
        conditions expires September 30, 1998.
    As a result, to meet its revenue projections of $902 million from 
private insurance, VA will probably have to focus its marketing efforts 
on attracting veterans with fee-for-service private health insurance. 
In addition, the Congress would need to extend VA's authorization to 
recover for certain services provided to service-connected veterans.
    VA officials told us that they do not know how many veterans in 
their 2.9 million patient base have insurance or how many insured 
veterans receive billable care. This lack of information on key 
elements affecting its projections creates considerable uncertainty 
about the number of new insured users it would need to attract in order 
to generate its target revenues.
Attaining Medicare Recovery Target May Be Difficult
    VA proposes to collect about $557 million from Medicare in 2002 for 
services provided to about 106,000 additional higher-income veterans 
who are covered by Medicare. VA currently attracts only about 1 out of 
every 100 higher-income Medicare-eligible veterans--about 41,000 
veterans in 1992. It thus appears questionable whether VA will be able 
to attract an additional 106,000 higher-income Medicare-eligible 
veterans by the year 2002.
    VA expects to recover from Medicare, on average, about $5,300 for 
each of the 106,000 additional Medicare-eligible veterans it expects to 
serve in 2002, a target amount that seems achievable based on average 
Medicare spending levels per patient nationwide. However, it may be 
difficult for VA to achieve this collection rate if Medicare-eligible 
veterans use primarily VA services that are not covered by Medicare, 
such as prescription drugs, inpatient psychiatric care, and long-term 
nursing home care. Our assessment of Medicare-eligible veterans' use of 
VA services in 1994 suggests that most of these veterans use VA, at 
least in part, for services not covered by Medicare.\4\
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Increasing Recoveries From Other Sources Appears Attainable
    VA proposes to collect $178 million in 2002 through sales of excess 
services to federal agencies, affiliated medical schools, and others. 
This amount represents over a 300-percent increase over VA's 
collections of $43 million in 1996.
    Since 1966, the Congress has expanded VA's authority on several 
occasions to sell excess services in an effort to encourage VA 
facilities to generate revenues in addition to those appropriated. Over 
the last 5 years, VA's sales have increased by about 37 percent, with 
most sales to the Department of Defense (DOD) and affiliated medical 
schools. Last September, the Congress took another step to expand VA's 
ability to generate revenue by authorizing VA to sell excess health 
care services to any health care plan, insurer, or other provider.
    VA could meet or exceed its goal of $178 million in 2002 if it 
markets its excess capacity to other federal agencies. DOD and VA 
reached agreement in 1995 that VA can provide health care services to 
active duty and retired members of the military and dependents enrolled 
in DOD's TRICARE program. While some VA facilities have become TRICARE 
providers, most have not. Similarly, few VA facilities have generated 
revenue by serving beneficiaries of other federal agencies, such as the 
Indian Health Service and the Bureau of Prisons, even though these 
agencies have expressed interest in buying VA's excess services.
expanding va's resource base may place some veterans and others at risk
    Over the last 25 years, VA has served an increasing number of 
veterans without service-connected conditions, generally those low-
income veterans in need of a health care safety net. During the last 10 
years, VA has also served higher-income and insured veterans with its 
resources that were in excess of those needed to provide care to 
service-connected and low-income veterans.
    Allowing VA to retain nonappropriated revenues may change VA's 
perspective. This is because the veteran population is, in effect, 
likely to represent two distinct groups--non-revenue-generating 
veterans and revenue-generating veterans. Within this later group are 
several potential target populations: privately insured veterans; 
Medicare-eligible veterans; higher-income veterans; and higher-income, 
privately insured, or Medicare-eligible veterans.
Non-Revenue-Generating Veterans May Be at Risk of Having Access Limited
    VA may encounter difficulty attaining its revenue goals unless a 
significant number of new users have higher incomes or insurance. This 
could create a strong incentive for VA to market services to attract 
revenue-generating rather than non-revenue-generating veterans. This 
incentive could manifest itself in several ways, including where VA 
decides to locate new community-based outpatient clinics. For example, 
VA recently proposed locating a community-based clinic in a homeless 
shelter that VA expects could attract 2,040 new users in need of VA's 
safety net and therefore not likely to generate revenue. By contrast, 
VA has also proposed opening a new clinic in one of the country's more 
affluent counties. While the clinic is intended to improve access for 
current users, it is also expected to attract patients who could 
ultimately generate revenue.
Non-VA Providers May Be at Risk of Losing Workload
    Marketing VA services to generate revenue has the potential to draw 
higher-income insured veterans from private providers who may then see 
their revenue base erode, depending on the number of patients who shift 
to VA care. If VA has to aggressively attract new users who are now 
receiving health care elsewhere, it will intensify the competition 
between VA and other state, county, and private providers for a larger 
share of a shrinking veterans' health care market.
    VA's success in attracting revenue-generating patients will be 
likely to result in a shifting of health care costs from other 
financing organizations to VA and to exacerbate financial hardships for 
those competing health care providers that have excess capacities. For 
example, our interviews with 115 veterans using new access points last 
year revealed that 70 percent had Medicare coverage, 50 percent had 
private insurance, and 7 percent had Medicaid.\5\ Most said they paid 
for their own primary care or used insurance coverage to obtain care at 
other providers before they switched to VA care.
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    \5\ VA's Health Care: Improving Veterans' Access Poses Financial 
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VA's Proposal Could Lower Contribution to Deficit Reduction
    VA's proposal to retain revenue generated from nonappropriated 
sources would also affect VA's contribution to deficit reduction. VA 
currently returns recoveries to the Treasury, which, in effect, reduces 
the government's cost of VA health care. For example, VA expects to 
return $438 million in 1997, which would reduce the amount of 
government resources needed to serve VA's patient base from its 
appropriated amount of $17 billion to $16.6 billion. By contrast, under 
VA's proposal it would retain insurance recoveries of $590 million in 
1998, increasing the government's cost to finance VA health care to 
$17.6 billion, or $1 billion more than in the previous year.
    In addition, VA's proposal to reinvest efficiency savings and use 
additional nonappropriated resources to increase the number of patients 
served could affect VA's contribution to deficit reduction. For 
example, VA would need an appropriation of $17 billion a year to serve 
2.9 million users if savings equal payroll and inflation costs between 
1998 and 2002. By contrast, VA may be able to contribute up to $1 
billion more in 2002 toward deficit reduction if annual efficiency 
savings exceed cost increases by $200 million, on average, over the 5-
year period and such excess savings are returned to the Treasury.

  NEW ALLOCATION METHOD AND DECENTRALIZED MANAGEMENT SHOW PROMISE BUT 
                              RISKS EXIST

    VA is using a new resource allocation method and a decentralized 
management structure to address two long-standing issues: equity and 
efficiency. These initiatives are intended to improve the equity of 
veterans' access to care and produce cost savings.
Allocating Resources Equitably Seems Achievable With New Methodology
    VA is using the Veterans Equitable Resource Allocation (VERA) 
system to allocate 88 percent of the $17 billion medical care 
appropriation to the 22 networks. This approach is a major shift away 
from VA's historical process for two reasons. First, it funds 22 
networks rather than hundreds of facilities. Second, it allocates 
resources on the basis of costs per veteran served rather than on the 
basis of facilities' historical budgets. Funding networks sends a clear 
message that each facility is a part of a larger regional enterprise 
charged, in part, with a mission of achieving equity of access. VERA 
recognizes that networks are the vehicles for fostering regional 
change, eliminating redundancies, and facilitating cooperation among 
medical facilities. Network officials have the authority to tailor 
their VERA allocations to facilities and programs, within the 
parameters set by national policy and guidelines, and to integrate 
services across facilities for equity and other purposes.
    The goal of VERA is to provide networks with comparable levels of 
resources per veteran served. VA implemented VERA in an attempt to 
allocate patient care resources on the basis of differences in patient 
needs and regional differences in the price of their care. To do this, 
VERA classifies patients into two groups--basic care and special care--
as a simple case mix adjustment. Basic care patients generally receive 
routine services that are less expensive than those received by special 
care patients. Special care patients often have complex or chronic 
conditions, such as spinal cord injury or end-stage renal disease, or 
require care in settings such as nursing homes. The VERA special care 
category also includes some adjustment for age to account for the 
higher medical demands of older population groups.
    VERA allocates resources to networks based on two key components: 
network workloads and national prices. VA patient workloads are the 
estimates of the number of patients--basic and special--a network may 
serve. VA also calculates workloads for research support, education 
support, equipment, and nonrecurring maintenance. To determine a 
national price for each workload category, VERA divides national 
resources available by the national workload for that category. VERA 
allocates funds to a network by multiplying the network's workload 
numbers by their respective national prices. In addition, VERA adjusts 
for differences in regional labor costs for patient care.
    To the extent that VERA allocates comparable levels of patient care 
resources for each veteran served, it provides incentives for networks 
to obtain these resources by increasing workload and decreasing costs. 
Networks that increase their patient workload relative to other 
networks gain resources under VERA; those whose patient workloads 
decrease relative to others lose resources. Networks that are more 
efficient, that is, have patient care costs below the national price, 
have more funds available for local initiatives. However, those with 
patient care costs above the national price (that is, less efficient 
networks) must increase efficiency to have such funds available. Thus, 
these incentives can result in cost savings and enhanced access for 
veterans.
    VERA will not be fully implemented until fiscal year 1999. As a 
result, few resources will move among networks this year. (See fig. 1.) 
Five VISN's will receive fewer dollars and 17 will receive more.\6\ 
VERA generally moves resources from the Northeast and Midwest, where 
per veteran costs have been higher than the national average, to the 
South and West where per veteran costs have been lower than the 
national average. If VA had fully implemented VERA this year, shifts in 
funding among the networks would have ranged from a reduction of 14 
percent to an increase of 16 percent.
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Booklet, March 1997, VA shows that 6 networks will lose funds and 16 
will gain funds in fiscal year 1997. However, VA excludes allocations 
for equipment and non-recurring maintenance. We included those amounts 
in our calculations to show the impact of VERA more fully. Neither we 
nor VA includes funds not allocated by VERA in these comparisons.
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    VERA, like any allocation model, has limitations. First, VERA may 
shift some resources inappropriately because it may not fully account 
for justifiable differences in regional cost variations. Although VERA 
adjusts for differences in regional case mix with its basic and special 
care patient categories and adjusts the allocations for differences in 
regional labor costs, it assumes that all the remaining differences are 
based on differences in efficiencies. While inefficiency is a major 
factor in these cost differences, other factors may play a role. For 
example, to the extent that veterans are sicker and need more health 
care services in different parts of the country, additional case mix 
adjustments may be necessary to fully explain regional cost 
differences. As we have said in the past, VA needs to provide more 
information on why costs vary throughout the country.\7\ VA officials 
told us they plan to examine this further.
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    \7\ Veterans' Health Care: Facilities' Resource Allocations Could 
Be More Equitable (GAO/HEHS-96-48, Feb. 7, 1996) and Department of 
Veterans Affairs: Programmatic and Management Challenges Facing the 
Department (GAO/T-HEHS-97-97, Mar. 18, 1997).
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    Another potential issue is that basing VERA on veteran-users may 
result in underallocation of funds in areas with low usage rates. If 
these rates result from past inequities in access to services, VERA may 
need to incorporate population-based data on veterans with highest 
priority for receiving services rather than relying solely on user 
data.\8\ However, other factors, such as number of veterans with health 
insurance coverage, could also affect usage rates. Because adequate 
data were not available and VA wished to implement VERA as quickly as 
possible, it did not include population data in VERA. VA continues to 
examine the utility of doing so.
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    \8\ Category A veterans have the highest priority for receiving VA 
health care services. Included in Category A are veterans with service-
connected disabilities and those with service-connected disabilities 
whose income falls below certain thresholds.
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    VERA's incentives for lower per veteran costs and higher workload 
numbers could lead to unintended consequences if not properly monitored 
and corrected. In our discussions and visits with network and medical 
center officials, we found efforts under way to increase the number of 
veterans served. VA indicators for the first quarter of fiscal year 
1997 generally show increases in the number of high-priority veterans 
(that is, Category A veterans) seen, and the increases for some 
networks are dramatic. We have concerns about whether the data 
accurately depict changes in workload. If the data are reliable, we are 
concerned that some networks may be inappropriately increasing their 
workload numbers to get more resources under VERA. For example, 
networks may be increasing workload by increasing the number of one-
visit patients. This may be good primary or preventive care, or it 
could distort VERA allocations because only minimal services are 
provided to get credit for increased workload. In the short time since 
the indicators were published, however, we have been unable to 
determine the accuracy of the data and the services the new users 
received. VA officials told us that they recognize the importance of 
monitoring, identifying, and correcting unintended consequences. They 
said they will monitor data used in the allocation model, including 
workload increases, to ensure that they reflect changes at the network 
and medical center levels that are consistent with VA-wide policy and 
guidance.
    Although VERA is a step toward to a more equitable allocation of 
resources, it does not specifically address equitable access to 
services. Networks are ultimately responsible for allocating funds to 
ensure that veterans have equal access to VA services. Each of the 
networks we contacted differs in how it allocates funds. One funds its 
facilities using a flat rate for each veteran-user. Another uses a 
combination of historical funding and negotiation with medical center 
management regarding new initiatives. Still another includes a feature 
in its allocation method that provides payment for each additional 
veteran served. VA officials told us they will examine these processes 
to ensure that different allocation mechanisms increase equity of 
access to services while addressing other national VA goals.
Networks Have Made Significant Progress. But Decentralized Management 
        Poses Oversight Challenges
    VA has taken a page from private sector organizations and empowered 
the network directors by delegating broad decision making authority 
over network budgets, facility staffing, health care delivery, and 
administrative functions. This has resulted in notable accomplishments 
at VA, including significant cost savings and improvements in access.
    Decentralized decision-making at VA places a premium on effective 
headquarters guidance and monitoring of VISN activities. The challenge 
is to ensure that networks have a common understanding of VA-wide goals 
and legislative requirements while permitting them flexibility in how 
to achieve the goals. The challenge in monitoring network performance 
is to have reliable, appropriate, and timely indicators to ensure that 
problems are identified and corrected.
    VA has provided guidance to managers and staff since the beginning 
of its reorganization. For example, the Under-Secretary for Health 
issued two volumes, ``Vision for Change'' and ``Prescription for 
Change,'' delineating the type of organization he intended VA to become 
and the goals VA would strive to attain. Network and medical center 
staff told us that these publications and other communications, such as 
monthly meetings between network and headquarters managers, help 
develop their understanding of the structural and operational changes 
being made.
    VA's new performance measurement process also plays an important 
guidance role by underscoring VA-wide organizational priorities. These 
measures include key indicators such as reduced bed-days of care and an 
increased percentage of surgeries performed on an ambulatory basis. The 
measures are the main components of the network directors' performance 
agreements. In networks we visited, medical center directors' 
performance agreements also included these measures. Medical center 
directors we contacted told us that network directors were exercising 
closer oversight of their progress in achieving VA-wide goals than had 
occurred under previous organizational structures.
    Another strategy for reducing unnecessary variation has been the 
use of clinical practice guidelines. These are intended to enhance the 
quality and appropriate utilization of health care services by reducing 
variations in the way a health condition--for example, stroke--is 
treated. Networks are required to adopt 12 practice guidelines by the 
end of fiscal year 1997. They can choose from those identified by 
headquarters or other sources.
    Providing national guidelines but offering networks discretion on 
when to follow these guidelines can create opportunities for local 
innovation but problems for national oversight. If discretion results 
in variation across the system, it will be difficult for VA to assess 
the impact of the guidelines. Network flexibility may produce tension 
between headquarters and networks. For example, officials in one 
network we visited told us that they preferred the American Medical 
Association guidelines to the national diabetes guidelines VA adopted.
    Headquarters, network, and medical center officials told us that 
national guidance had not been sufficiently clear on whether to notify 
headquarters of significant program changes at the network level. They 
told us that they had not always been clear on what constituted 
``significant'' changes. In a few instances, headquarters officials 
were not notified of impending network-initiated changes such as 
closure of a surgical program at a medical center. In May and September 
1996, headquarters issued guidance for networks on prior notification 
and consultation with headquarters for network actions such as 
restructuring clinical services--including closures of major programs--
and proposed changes to special emphasis programs such as those for 
spinal cord injury and prosthetics. VA has additional measures planned 
to ensure that headquarters is involved in significant network-
initiated program changes.
    Performance measures and standards developed by headquarters are 
the key components of VA's monitoring process. Headquarters holds 
network directors accountable for making progress toward VA goals by 
including measures and standards of performance in the directors' 
contracts. Headquarters lengthened its list of measures for fiscal year 
1997; it now includes about two dozen indicators. In networks we 
visited, directors are monitoring medical centers on these measures as 
well.

                        CONCLUDING OBSERVATIONS

    VA's 1998 budget presents the Congress with a fundamental choice 
about the future course of VA health care, a choice that will have an 
effect on veterans, other health care providers, and efforts to achieve 
a balanced federal budget. In general, VA's proposal to reinvest all 
savings and generate additional nonappropriated revenues may intensify 
the direct competition between VA and other providers. By contrast, a 
decision to limit VA's retention of nonappropriated revenues will set 
VA on a course to becoming a more cost-efficient safety net for those 
non-revenue-generating veterans who have no other health care options.
    Currently, there is insufficient information to understand the full 
implications of VA's budget proposal. VA states that the key elements 
of its proposal--namely, a 30-percent per patient cost reduction, a 20-
percent increase in veterans served, and a 10-percent reduction of its 
reliance on appropriations--are inexorably linked but, in our view, 
this is not so. It seems plausible that any number of different 
scenarios could occur, depending on the magnitude of cost savings that 
VA will realize through its ongoing restructuring.
    For instance, VA could operate as a health care safety net for 
several years, with an appropriation of about $17 billion or less, 
given VA's progress in identifying and implementing efficiency savings. 
Such efficiency savings could equal or exceed the potential 
nonappropriated revenues that VA estimates it can generate over the 
next 2 years if authorized to do so. For this reason, there appears to 
be time to obtain critical information from VA and others so that VA's 
budget proposal may be more clearly understood and fully debated. In 
this regard, several critical issues could be addressed, including the 
following:
  --Should VA reinvest all efficiency savings to expand the number of 
        patients served? If so, should VA's expansion be limited to 
        certain target groups of veterans, such as service-connected, 
        low-income, or uninsured veterans in need of a health care 
        safety net?
  --Should VA use nonappropriated revenue sources to help finance 
        increased services to higher-income and insured veterans who 
        have no service-connected conditions or continue relying solely 
        on appropriated resources to finance increased services for 
        service-connected and low-income veterans without service-
        connected conditions?
  --Should VA reinvest savings in excess of those needed to maintain 
        its current patient base in order to serve more veterans or 
        should it return some or all of the excess savings as a 
        contribution toward deficit reduction?
    It would be less difficult to make such choices at this time if VA 
had provided a road map that clearly articulated (1) what operational 
changes would be needed to move along its newly proposed competitive 
course and (2) what consequences such competition would have for 
veterans and others. For example, additional information would be 
helpful about how different choices may affect (1) service-connected 
veterans and those in need of VA's safety net; (2) VA's existing 
hospitals, clinics, and other facilities; (3) VA's workforce; and (4) 
other health care providers.
    Delaying a decision on VA's legislative proposals until such 
critical information is available--including a plan describing how the 
system will look and operate in 2002--may result in a better 
legislative decision on VA's budget proposal. It will also afford VA 
and the Congress time to better assess how VA's future resource needs 
may be affected by the new decentralized management and resource 
allocation initiatives.
    VA's new resource allocation process and decentralized management 
structure hold promise for improved operational efficiencies and 
equitable access. Responding to VERA's incentives and VA's goals, local 
managers are already producing substantial savings and increasing the 
number of veterans served. VA, however, needs to continue examining how 
price and workload data are determined under VERA to improve equity of 
resource allocation. VA also needs to carefully monitor the impact of 
VERA's incentives on network and facilities performance. This is 
particularly important given the variation resulting from local 
managers' flexibility in the decentralized system. We believe that 
identifying and correcting problems is essential to the success of VA's 
proposed 5-year plan.

                          RELATED GAO PRODUCTS

    Department of Veterans Affairs: Programmatic and Management 
Challenges Facing the Department (GAO/T-HEHS-97-97, Mar. 18, 1997).
    VA Health Care: Improving Veterans' Access Poses Financial and 
Mission-Related Challenges (GAO/HEHS-97-7, Oct. 25, 1996).
    VA Health Care: Opportunities to Significantly Reduce Outpatient 
Pharmacy (GAO/HEHS-97-15, Oct. 11, 1996).
    VA Health Care: Issues Affecting Eligibility Reform Efforts (GAO/
HEHS-96-160, Sept. 11, 1996).
    VA Health Care: Opportunities for Service Delivery Efficiencies 
Within Existing Resources (GAO/HEHS-96-121, July 25, 1996).
    VA Health Care: Challenges for the Future (GAO/HEHS-96-172, June 
27, 1996).
    VA Health Care: Efforts to Improve Veterans' Access to Primary Care 
Services (GAO/T-HEHS-96-134, Apr. 24, 1996).
    VA Health Care: Approaches for Developing Budget-Neutral 
Eligibility Reform (GAO/T-HEHS-96-107, Mar. 20, 1996).
    VA Health Care: Opportunities to Increase Efficiency and Reduce 
Resource Needs (GAO/T-HEHS-96-99, Mar. 8, 1996).
    Veterans' Health Care: Facilities' Resource Allocations Could Be 
More Equitable (GAO/HEHS-96-48, Feb. 7, 1996).
    VA Health Care: Issues Affecting Eligibility Reform (GAO/T-HEHS-95-
213, July 19, 1995).
    VA Health Care: Challenges and Options for the Future (GAO/T-HEHS-
95-147, May 9, 1995).
    VA Health Care: Retargeting Needed to Better Meet Veterans' 
Changing Needs (GAO/HEHS-95-39, Apr. 21, 1995).
    Veterans' Health Care: Use of VA Services by Medicare-Eligible 
Veterans (GAO/HEHS-95-13, Oct. 24, 1994).

    Senator Bond. But the VA does raise the question: ``It 
appears that efficiency savings could equally equal or exceed 
the $700 to $850 million in potential nonappropriated revenues 
that VA estimates it could generate over the next 2 years'' but 
we have not seen the hard data to back up the VA's 5-year 
projection of the 30-percent reduction in per-patient cost.
    Nor have we been given justification for the increases 
projected in user fee collections. GAO believes that VA may 
have a tough time increasing recoveries from private health 
insurance for a variety of reasons outlined in their testimony.
    Outside of the medical care proposal, we have serious 
concerns with the President's request for the VA research 
program. This program, which has served to bring the best 
physicians to the VA--and to keep them there--would be slashed 
11 percent, or $28 million.
    VA's research program has resulted in tremendous 
discoveries and improvements in health care to veterans and the 
general population. It is an integral element to the veterans' 
health care system, and I am concerned about the implications 
of such a significant cut.
    In a recent letter, the chief of the pulmonary disease 
section at the Kansas City VA hospital told me,

    The opportunity to conduct basic and clinical research 
relevant to my clinical interests was a major factor in my 
joining the VA staff and in remaining here. Only in the last 
year have I felt the need to explore other employment 
opportunities. One of the major factors in this decision has 
been the continuing decrease in funds available to support the 
VA research program.

    Unfortunately, the President's budget would also cut the VA 
State home construction program by $6 million, a cost-effective 
program which results in the provision of vitally needed 
nursing home care to our Nation's veterans. There is almost 
$200 million worth of priority projects awaiting funding, so 
the President's proposal to cut this important program is very 
disappointing.
    In my own State of Missouri, there are proposed projects in 
Cameron, Warrensburg, St. Louis, and Mount Vernon. I strongly 
support funding of these projects and will do my best to 
increase the budget over the President's proposal.
    For the Veterans Benefit Administration, funding would be 
held close to fiscal year 1997 levels, factoring out the 
proposed shift of funds for the cost of medical examinations in 
connection with compensation and pension claims, formerly 
funded from the medical care account. VBA's staff would decline 
543 FTE's, or 5 percent.
    I am pleased to see that VBA's budget would allow for the 
implementation of reengineering efforts which are intended to 
result in significantly faster and less expensive compensation 
and pension claims processing by 2002. I am concerned, however, 
that productivity is not improving, and we have seen little 
data to back up VBA's assumptions that it could reduce 
processing time for an original compensation claim by more than 
one-half.
    In addition, the National Academy of Public Administration, 
which has been studying the VBA claims processing system at 
this subcommittee's request, found fundamental problems in 
VBA's leadership and management structures, and a lack of 
capacity to undertake sound review, analysis, and evaluation of 
ongoing operations.
    NAPA states in testimony, which, again, is provided for the 
record, and I assume you have received copies of it today:

    The NAPA study team has discerned little improvement in the 
VBA's ability to develop a clear prioritized business plan 
within which resources are allocated only to critical 
priorities, nor has there been any improvement in the staff's 
ability to plan and manage software projects. These management 
failures underlie a significant part of my concern about VBA's 
ability to meet its year 2000 needs and deliver on its BPR 
promises.

    NAPA calls for strong and decisive leadership in VBA, 
strengthen strategic management capacities, consolidation of 
VBA's 58 regional offices, and other changes which are more 
profound than the business processing reengineering effort, 
which VBA seems to believe is the answer to its problem.
    So while I am pleased the VA is proposing some changes, it 
would seem they are not sufficient to address the core 
management and organizational issues NAPA has identified.
    We are pleased to see no new hospitals proposed and a 
relatively modest major construction request. The President's 
request would fund two cemetery projects and the completion of 
a seismic correction project in Memphis. Perhaps the 
administration has come around to our view that major medical 
projects should be put on hold while the new Veterans Health 
Administration organization restructuring grows roots.

                           PREPARED STATEMENT

    Clearly, Mr. Secretary, we have much to discuss this 
afternoon. I look forward to hearing your opening statement, 
but first it is my pleasure to turn to the distinguished 
ranking member, Senator Mikulski.
    [The statement follows:]

                Prepared Statement of Milton J. Socolar

    Mr. Chairman and Members of the Subcommittee: My name is Milton J. 
Socolar, and I am a Fellow of the National Academy of Public 
Administration. I am serving as the chair of the Academy's panel on 
claims processing at the Department of Veterans' Affairs. As I will 
describe in a minute, the Committee has tasked the Academy with 
studying and making recommendations on the claims process, and our 
study will be completed at the end of June. Because the panel has not 
yet fully reviewed the initial staff findings and recommendations, I am 
addressing you today in my own capacity as chair and am not speaking 
with finality on behalf of the panel.

              THE SENATE'S TASKING TO THE NATIONAL ACADEMY

    This Committee has expressed ongoing concerns about of the 
compensation and pension (C&P) claims adjudication and appellate 
process. In 1995, in its report accompanying the fiscal year 1996 
Department of Veterans Affairs appropriations bill, the Committee 
expressed concerns about the backlog of claims at the Veterans' 
Benefits Administration (VBA) and shortcomings in its computer 
modernization effort. Congress tasked the Academy with making `` * * * 
a comprehensive assessment of the Veterans Benefits Administration with 
particular emphasis on specific steps necessary to make claims 
processing more efficient and less time consuming.'' Specifically, your 
subcommittee instructed the Academy to evaluate: The computer 
modernization initiative and its link to strategic goals and 
priorities; efforts to reengineer the claims processing methodology; 
efforts to simplify rules and regulations; performance measures for 
critical program areas and systems modernization efforts; the regional 
office structure; and the roles of the Board of Veterans Appeals and 
the Court of Veterans Appeals.
    You stated that the Academy needs to build on and not duplicate 
previous or ongoing evaluations. In 1996, you amplified the tasking in 
the subcommittee's report accompanying the fiscal year 1997 
appropriations bill adding that the Academy ``* * * should provide 
specific recommendations for comprehensive, strategic improvements to 
the organization and the many problems which have been identified.''

                          THE CHALLENGE AHEAD

    The VBA is under great pressure to improve the performance of its 
C&P program. Long-existing problems have been chronicled by a series of 
reports, the most recent of which is the December 1996 report to 
Congress by the Veterans' Claims Adjudication Commission (VCAC). The 
panel relied heavily on this excellent report in guiding its own 
research and recommendations. With the exception of those 
recommendations related to program policy, on which the panel takes no 
position, the panel accepts or takes even farther the VCAC's 
recommendations.
    In thinking about VBA's administrative difficulties in delivering 
C&P benefits, it is well to keep in mind the size of the program and 
complexity of the process involved. Following are some complicating 
program imperatives:
    1. VBA's C&P workforce must manage a ``portfolio'' of about 5.3 
million service-connected disabilities, which is growing in volume and 
complexity, for over two million veterans.
    2. In addition to statements filed by veteran claimants, 
corroborating or new evidence to support claims must be collected from 
numerous sources not controlled by VBA--the Department of Defense, VA 
hospitals for medical data and claim-specific medical examinations, 
other federal agencies, private medical practitioners, and others.
    3. Under the program's concept of rating disabilities in ten 
percent increments, assessing the degree of disability for many 
injuries and diseases often requires the exercise of sophisticated 
judgement complicated by the growing body of opinions from the Court of 
Veterans' Appeals (COVA).
    4. VBA is required, if necessary, to assist each claimant in 
perfecting his or her claim which can contain many alleged 
disabilities.
    5. The claim is kept open for the receipt, at any time up to final 
decision, of additional supporting evidence or evidence of additional 
entitlement.
    6. Within a year after VBA's decision on a claim, the claimant may 
file a notice of disagreement to initiate the administrative appeals 
process, requiring additional consideration and processing.
    It is also well to keep in mind that, despite delays occasioned by 
the foregoing, claimants to date have tended to formally appeal to the 
board of veterans' appeals (BVA) in a relatively small percentage of 
cases--less than five percent of VBA's decisions on compensation 
claims. Nevertheless, considering the overall large volume of cases 
handled, this small percentage translates into a significant number of 
cases. They clog the system, which results in backlogs and further 
delays in disposing of claims filed--from an average of three to as 
long as five years for a significant number of cases.
    The department and VBA have been administering the C&P program 
within a narrow, insular perspective. VBA tends to address issues as 
they arise, very much on an ad hoc basis. Although there have been 
times when VBA has shown signs of a desire to raise C&P operations to 
new and more efficient levels, it has not yet succeeded in realizing 
the more important of its stated aims for improving service. In 
essence, VBA has been ``administering'' the C&P program; it has not 
been managing it.
    Although VBA's problems have been tolerated to a degree through 
previous years, it is now essential, even critical, that it undertake 
and meet the management challenge to achieve greater efficiency and 
provide better service. Medical issues underlying many disability 
considerations now require deeper analysis to resolve. Harnessing the 
boon of advancing information technologies is enormously complex and 
difficult. With the arrival of judicial review in 1988, BVA is no 
longer the final arbiter of statutory obligations to claimants and both 
VBA and BVA must meet more stringent requirements as interpreted by 
COVA. Perhaps, most significant, funds to cover inadequacies will 
surely not be so freely available in the future as they have been in 
the past.
    Briefly stated here--I will return to the point later in my 
statement--VA and VBA leadership must develop greater management 
capacity and discipline to meet future demands. VBA's leadership and 
management structures and systems do not embody essential analytic and 
planning capacities. With poor analysis and planning, it is small 
wonder that there is not sufficient discipline to carry out controlled 
implementation of approved initiatives. And finally, VBA must develop 
the capacity and will to do good review, analysis and evaluation of 
ongoing operations. Even though some regional offices (RO's) operate at 
high levels of performance, the VBA nationally operates in too 
permissive a manner with little accountability for the achievement of 
specific results across all 58 of its regions.

                           THREATS TO SERVICE

    Fixing the Year 2000 Problem.--A good example of the consequences 
resulting from inadequate management structure and discipline is the 
risk that VBA was going to assume in resolving the critical ``year 
2000'' computer problem embedded in its payment system. Should that 
problem not be resolved, VBA would not be able at the turn of the 
century to issue benefit checks to millions of veterans. 
Notwithstanding that computer expertise was clearly spread too thin and 
that its record of managing complex computer projects was poor, VBA was 
poised to simultaneously undertake (1) development of VETSNET to 
replace the existing payment system, (2) implementation of complex 
legislative changes into the system, (3) reprogramming of its benefit 
delivery network, (4) consolidation, at the department's behest, of the 
Hines and Philadelphia benefit delivery centers with the Austin 
automation center, while (5) also working on a number of programs to 
cure the year 2000 problem.
    We became alarmed during our study over the disastrous consequences 
should VBA's risky approach fail, as well it might have. We met with 
deputy secretary Hershel W. Gober to point out the risks involved and 
explain our concerns. Subsequently, the deputy secretary changed the 
direction of VBA's approach to significantly reduce the risk to the 
payment system now and to support year 2000 operations. VBA has now 
initiated action to hire the necessary systems integration contract 
support, procure other resources and put in place the management 
required to sustain payment system operations and achieve year 2000 
capabilities.
    Staffing Is Being Reduced By A Third While Workload And Other 
Resource Demands Are Rising.--The fiscal year 1998 President's budget 
reduces resources by 1,335 full time equivalent (FTE) staff or 31 
percent between fiscal year 1996 and fiscal year 2002. While 
recognizing the pressures for balancing the budget and that future VBA 
budget estimates may be revised, I am concerned that inappropriate 
reductions will only serve to make a bad situation worse, engendering 
the need for larger expenditures in the future.
    We are exploring some questions we have about VBA's workload 
forecasting generally. A large percentage of these reductions is 
premised in fiscal year 1999 and beyond on the success of the business 
process reengineering (BPR) plan to change the way C&P claims will be 
processed. The C&P service bases its staffing estimates on a series of 
assumptions about programmatic and legal changes that will allow 
reductions while at the same time achieving ambitious timeliness and 
quality of service goals. These assumptions have not been evaluated in 
an operational setting, and pilots intended to test their validity, 
just now getting underway, will take up to 18 months to complete. Of 
particular concern are VBA's assumptions about future workload, 
projected levels of participation by veteran service organizations, and 
the benefits of information technology.
    Unmanaged Appellate Workloads In VBA Regional Offices May Reach 
Crisis Proportions.--I am also concerned about growing appellate 
workloads in VBA RO's. Since the end of fiscal year 1995, the number of 
BVA remands pending in RO's increased by 69 percent to more than 23,000 
and had been pending for an average of about a year. Over one-fourth of 
the cases pending in RO's are in appellate status.
    VBA has not treated this workload as a nation-wide problem needing 
concerted attention. It has neither established 19 performance goals 
for processing this work nor regularly tracked progress in their 
accomplishment. I am concerned that, without adequate attention, the 
RO's will continue to focus on new and reopened claims and that 
appellate workloads and lead times will reach crisis proportions.
     major claims and appeals problems continue to degrade service
    Apart from these potential threats to program integrity, the VA 
continues to struggle with major problems that continue to degrade 
service.
    Regional Office Adjudication Decisions Are Too Slow And Not Well 
Enough Prepared.--While showing some improvement in the last several 
years, processing time for claims continues to be far higher than the 
BPR goal of 60 days. The VBA continues to have difficulty making 
quality decisions early in the adjudication process, and quality 
remains a point of major concern and contention. The rate of remands by 
BVA peaked at a level of 50.5 percent of cases considered in fiscal 
year 1992, and has come down only slightly to 45.6 percent at present. 
The combined total of allowances and remands by the BVA peaked at 67.1 
percent in fiscal year 1995 and is down to 62.6 percent at present, far 
higher than the BPR goal of 25 percent.
    Information Resources Management--Failure To Manage Effectively Has 
Led To Current Crises.--VBA's has shown little ability to learn from a 
1995 study by the CNA Corporation and a series of harshly critical GAO 
reports about problems in managing VBA's information resources. The 
study team has discerned little improvement in the VBA's ability to 
develop a clear, prioritized business plan within which resources are 
allocated only to critical priorities, nor has there been any 
improvement in the staff's ability to plan and manage software 
projects. These management failures underlie a significant part of my 
concern about VBA's ability to meet its year 2000 needs and deliver on 
its BPR promises.

   VBA NEEDS TO DEVELOP MANAGEMENT CAPACITIES FOR MAKING MUCH NEEDED 
                                CHANGES

    I was initially puzzled as to why the sustained criticism VBA has 
endured had not led to the reforms required for improving operations 
but have now concluded that the reason is two-fold. First, VBA is 
bounded by a culture that looks only to short-term needs without 
concern over long-term implications. Second, this short term outlook 
has led inevitably to the failure of leadership to develop capacities 
that are essential to the successful management of complex programs in 
a large organization. VBA has long felt that it could manage the 
increasingly complex adjudication and appellate process on the basis of 
past and existing organizational capacities and practices. While VBA 
staff and executives are dedicated and hard working, enlightened 
leadership and new approaches are critical to solving the 
organization's problems and significantly improving program service.
    The Institution Lacks Capacity For Strategic Management.--VBA lacks 
the management capacities that would enable its leaders to define long-
term direction and provide the resources to follow through. At the same 
time, it is leadership's function to see to it that those capacities 
are established and maintained at high levels of competence. These 
include: the capacity to plan, integrate and execute complex 
programmatic activities; the evaluative and information capacities to 
measure performance and hold executives accountable for results; and an 
annual plan, implementation, and review cycle to integrate all parts of 
the organization into a comprehensive operational effort to fulfill the 
VBA's goals.
    VBA Ne