[House Hearing, 113 Congress] [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office] DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE APPROPRIATIONS FOR 2015 _______________________________________________________________________ HEARINGS BEFORE A SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED THIRTEENTH CONGRESS SECOND SESSION ________ SUBCOMMITTEE ON DEFENSE RODNEY P. FRELINGHUYSEN, New Jersey, Chairman JACK KINGSTON, Georgia PETER J. VISCLOSKY, Indiana KAY GRANGER, Texas JAMES P. MORAN, Virginia ANDER CRENSHAW, Florida BETTY McCOLLUM, Minnesota KEN CALVERT, California TIM RYAN, Ohio TOM COLE, Oklahoma WILLIAM L. OWENS, New York STEVE WOMACK, Arkansas MARCY KAPTUR, Ohio ROBERT B. ADERHOLT, Alabama JOHN R. CARTER, Texas NOTE: Under Committee Rules, Mr. Rogers, as Chairman of the Full Committee, and Mrs. Lowey, as Ranking Minority Member of the Full Committee, are authorized to sit as Members of all Subcommittees. Tom McLemore, Jennifer Miller, Paul Terry, Walter Hearne, Maureen Holohan, Tim Prince, Brooke Boyer, B G Wright, Adrienne Ramsay, and Megan Milam Rosenbusch, Staff Assistants Sherry L. Young, Administrative Aide ________ PART 2 Page Defense Health Program....................................... 1 FY 2015 National Guard and Army Reserve...................... 135 Testimony of Members of Congress............................. 261 U.S. Pacific Command / U.S. Forces Korea..................... 333 Missile Defense Agency....................................... 381 U.S. Africa Command.......................................... 439 Overseas Contingency Operations Funding...................... 457 Public Witness Testimony..................................... 467 ________ Printed for the use of the Committee on Appropriations DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE APPROPRIATIONS FOR 2015 _______________________________________________________________________ HEARINGS BEFORE A SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED THIRTEENTH CONGRESS SECOND SESSION ________ SUBCOMMITTEE ON DEFENSE RODNEY P. FRELINGHUYSEN, New Jersey, Chairman JACK KINGSTON, Georgia PETER J. VISCLOSKY, Indiana KAY GRANGER, Texas JAMES P. MORAN, Virginia ANDER CRENSHAW, Florida BETTY McCOLLUM, Minnesota KEN CALVERT, California TIM RYAN, Ohio TOM COLE, Oklahoma WILLIAM L. OWENS, New York STEVE WOMACK, Arkansas MARCY KAPTUR, Ohio ROBERT B. ADERHOLT, Alabama JOHN R. CARTER, Texas NOTE: Under Committee Rules, Mr. Rogers, as Chairman of the Full Committee, and Mrs. Lowey, as Ranking Minority Member of the Full Committee, are authorized to sit as Members of all Subcommittees. Tom McLemore, Jennifer Miller, Paul Terry, Walter Hearne, Maureen Holohan, Tim Prince, Brooke Boyer, B G Wright, Adrienne Ramsay, and Megan Milam Rosenbusch, Staff Assistants Sherry L. Young, Administrative Aide ________ PART 2 Page Defense Health Program....................................... 1 FY 2015 National Guard and Army Reserve...................... 135 Testimony of Members of Congress............................. 261 U.S. Pacific Command / U.S. Forces Korea..................... 333 Missile Defense Agency....................................... 381 U.S. Africa Command.......................................... 439 Overseas Contingency Operations Funding...................... 457 Public Witness Testimony..................................... 467 ________ U.S. GOVERNMENT PUBLISHING OFFICE 92-984 WASHINGTON : 2015 COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS ---------- HAROLD ROGERS, Kentucky, Chairman FRANK R. WOLF, Virginia NITA M. LOWEY, New York JACK KINGSTON, Georgia MARCY KAPTUR, Ohio RODNEY P. FRELINGHUYSEN, New Jersey PETER J. VISCLOSKY, Indiana TOM LATHAM, Iowa JOSE E. SERRANO, New York ROBERT B. ADERHOLT, Alabama ROSA L. DeLAURO, Connecticut KAY GRANGER, Texas JAMES P. MORAN, Virginia MICHAEL K. SIMPSON, Idaho ED PASTOR, Arizona JOHN ABNEY CULBERSON, Texas DAVID E. PRICE, North Carolina ANDER CRENSHAW, Florida LUCILLE ROYBAL-ALLARD, California JOHN R. CARTER, Texas SAM FARR, California KEN CALVERT, California CHAKA FATTAH, Pennsylvania TOM COLE, Oklahoma SANFORD D. BISHOP, Jr., Georgia MARIO DIAZ-BALART, Florida BARBARA LEE, California CHARLES W. DENT, Pennsylvania ADAM B. SCHIFF, California TOM GRAVES, Georgia MICHAEL M. HONDA, California KEVIN YODER, Kansas BETTY McCOLLUM, Minnesota STEVE WOMACK, Arkansas TIM RYAN, Ohio ALAN NUNNELEE, Mississippi DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ, Florida JEFF FORTENBERRY, Nebraska HENRY CUELLAR, Texas THOMAS J. ROONEY, Florida CHELLIE PINGREE, Maine CHARLES J. FLEISCHMANN, Tennessee MIKE QUIGLEY, Illinois JAIME HERRERA BEUTLER, Washington WILLIAM L. OWENS, New York DAVID P. JOYCE, Ohio DAVID G. VALADAO, California ANDY HARRIS, Maryland MARTHA ROBY, Alabama MARK E. AMODEI, Nevada CHRIS STEWART, Utah William E. Smith, Clerk and Staff Director (ii) DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE APPROPRIATIONS FOR 2015 ________ Wednesday, April 2, 2014. DEFENSE HEALTH PROGRAM WITNESSES LIEUTENANT GENERAL PATRICIA D. HOROHO, SURGEON GENERAL, UNITED STATES ARMY VICE ADMIRAL MATTHEW L. NATHAN, SURGEON GENERAL, UNITED STATES NAVY LIEUTENANT GENERAL THOMAS W. TRAVIS, SURGEON GENERAL, UNITED STATES AIR FORCE JONATHAN WOODSON, ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF DEFENSE, HEALTH AFFAIRS Opening Statement of Chairman Frelinghuysen Mr. Frelinghuysen. Good afternoon, the subcommittee will come to order. This afternoon, the subcommittee holds an open hearing on the fiscal year 2015 budget request for the Defense Health program. I would like to welcome Dr. Jonathan Woodson, Assistant Secretary of Defense for Health Affairs; Surgeon General of the Army, Lieutenant General Patricia Horoho. I always mispronounce that. I apologize. The Surgeon General of the Navy, Vice Admiral Matthew Nathan; and the Surgeon General of the Air Force, Lieutenant General Thomas Travis. Let me say particularly to Vice Admiral Nathan, thank you for your special work with our friend and colleague, the late Congressman Bill Young. You and your team did some remarkable things, and I just want the record to show that on behalf of all of us, we are very grateful. And all of you who were interested and involved in it, let me thank all of you for the high level of interest. I thank all of you for your service and welcome you back to the committee. As always, the committee remains committed to providing the very best in medical care to our service men and women, all volunteers as they put their lives on the line for us each and every day. Whether at home or abroad, they deserve the best physicians, nurses, healthcare professionals, equipment and technology available to treat whatever wounds they sustain, whether it be physical or mental. And that is for the long term, whether they remain in the military, or whether they become--they immediately become veterans. For example, more than 1,600 personnel now bear amputations. I have seen estimates that up to 400,000 individuals are suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder, or syndrome, and of course, there are many cases of TBI, traumatic brain injury. Many of you saw the front page Washington Post story on Sunday, ``A Legacy of Pain and Pride.'' The piece reports that more than half of the 2.6 million personnel deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan struggle with physical and mental health problems stemming from their service. They feel disconnected from civilian life and believe the government is failing to meet the needs of this generation's veterans. Retired Army Staff Sergeant Christopher Steavens crystallized the mission of this committee and the Department of Defense. He said, and I quote, ``I raised my right hand and said, I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America. I gave them everything I could. I would expect the same in return,'' end of quotation marks. And he should expect the same in return. We recognize that the Veterans Administration bears responsibility here, too. But as far as the active, Guard and Reserve personnel are concerned, your Department and this committee commits ourselves to giving our soldiers, sailors, Marines, and airmen everything they need. We are keenly aware that the Department of Defense faces a tremendous challenge with the growing cost and long- term sustainability of the military healthcare system, a system with about 10 million beneficiaries. Military healthcare costs have risen from $19 billion in fiscal year 2001 to approximately $47.4 billion in fiscal year 2015 in your budget request. This budget request assumes savings associated with several controversial TRICARE benefit cost-saving proposals. I would note that these recommendations must be ultimately approved by Congress, and they have been rejected in the past. The committee is interested in hearing more about them today. Additionally, the committee remains distressed about the unacceptably high rate of suicide and sexual assault and the ability of the Department to provide mental health counseling for servicemembers. It is imperative that the Department get to the heart of these two critical issues. We also remain concerned after years of substantial investment over the continued lack of an electronic health record that will help our servicemembers seamlessly--we have been using that term for quite a long time--transition their care from the Department of Defense to the Department of Veterans Affairs. This is an issue with real world day-to-day implications for our troops and our veterans. The initial mandate for an integrative record was included in the fiscal year 2008 National Defense Authorization Act. Now, 7 years later, we have yet to see working interoperable records between the two Departments. This is unacceptable. And the committee needs to know that progress is occurring and that this challenge will soon have a solution. So welcome back. We welcome your testimony. And at this time, I would like to turn to my ranking member, Mr. Visclosky, for any comments or statement he would like to make. Mr. Visclosky. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I thank you for holding this hearing as you address questions as to how we care for our servicemembers and their families. I also do want to thank our witnesses for their testimony. Your remarks and frank answers to our questions are essential to our deliberations on the fiscal year 2015 budget request. In order to preserve the readiness of our U.S. forces and our ability to provide world class care, this year's request proposes to control the growth of personnel and healthcare costs that consume an increasing share of the Defense budget. I recognize the need to address these problems, problems that have proven to be some of the most difficult to resolve in light of unsuccessful attempts in the past with plenty of, if you would, responsibility resting in the Congress as well as the current and past administrations. As we proceed, I believe that all of us want to also ensure, however, that these changes are equitable in their impact. With that, I thank you for your service and your testimony today. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Thank you, Mr. Visclosky. Mr. Secretary, the floor is yours. Your entire printed statement will be put in the record, and we are glad you are back. Thank you. Testimony of Dr. Woodson Dr. Woodson. Well, thank you very much, Chairman Frelinghuysen, Ranking Member Visclosky, and members of the subcommittee. Thank you for the opportunity to present the Department of Defense request for fiscal year 2015 health program funding. Our national security and defense strategies must be supported by a strong, relevant, agile, and forward-leaning Military Health System. Our servicemembers deserve and the American people expect excellent care delivered reliably, effectively, efficiently, and compassionately anywhere our servicemembers are stationed or deployed. Our fiscal year 2015 budget supports these efforts and supports our quadruple aim of increased readiness, better health, better care at lower cost. We are committed to sustaining the medical readiness of our forces, the clinical skills of our medical forces, and the world class treatment and rehabilitation for those who fight battles today, yesterday, and tomorrow. This budget also sustains our long-term medical research and development portfolio, allowing us to continually improve the care for the warfighter. The Military Health System has performed well in 13 years of war, achieving historic outcomes in our ability to reduce the rate of disease and nonbattle injury in the combat theater and to increase the rate of survival of war wounds. We are proud of these outcomes, but in order to meet our mission in the face of changing threats and limited resources and working closely with the Surgeons General, I have outlined six lines of effort for the Military Health System in support of the Secretary's priorities. These include modernizing the Military Health System's management with an enterprise focus, define and resource the medical capabilities and manpower needed in the 21st century, invest in and expand strategic partnerships, assess the balance of our medical force structure, modernize the TRICARE health program, and define the Military Health System's global health engagement requirements. For this hearing, I would like to focus on two of these efforts that directly relate to our budget request for this year. The Defense Health Agency, a designated combat support agency, is an important first step in modernizing our common business and clinical practices with accountability for performances both to the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Health Affairs and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. We have incorporated 7 of the 10 shared services into the Defense Health Agency and we have made substantial progress in achieving savings earlier than projected, as we consolidated functions and we reduced redundancy and variation. Our proposal for fiscal year 2015 budget also includes efforts to modernize the TRICARE program. This proposal will simplify and modernize the existing TRICARE program in ways that provide incentives for wellness, decrease over-utilization and allow beneficiaries to choose their providers. This proposal includes modest increases in beneficiary out-of-pocket costs. I fully recognize that any increase in out-of-pocket costs for our beneficiaries introduces concern from those we serve, the organizations that represent them, but I want to make clear that the TRICARE benefit will remain one of the most comprehensive benefits in this country, and it will modernize the program for the first time in many years. Mr. Chairman, we understand that the Department of Defense must do its part in addressing the Nation's budget concerns and that it must be done in a responsible and judicious manner. I believe this proposed budget meets the test, and I am hopeful that working collaboratively with Congress and our military servicemember and the veterans organizations we can reach an agreement on the budget proposals. I thank you for the opportunity to speak here today, and I look forward to your questions. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Thank you, Mr. Secretary. [The statement of Dr. Woodson follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Testimony of LTG Horoho Mr. Frelinghuysen. Surgeon General Horoho, the floor is yours. Thank you for being with us. General Horoho. Chairman Frelinghuysen, Ranking Member Visclosky, and distinguished members of the subcommittee, I thank you for this opportunity to tell the Army medicine story. On behalf of the dedicated soldiers and civilians that make up Army medicine, I appreciate the support that Congress has provided. I want to start by acknowledging America's sons and daughters who are still in harm's way today. We have 32,000 soldiers committed to operations in Afghanistan and an additional 120,000 soldiers forward stationed or deployed in nearly 150 countries doing the work of freedom. Since 1775, the Army's medical personnel have served with our fighting troops and received them when they returned home. We do this by focusing our efforts across four priorities: combat casualty care; the readiness and the health of the force; a ready and deployable medical force; and the health of our families and retirees. Just as the health of the Nation and the health of our Army are not separate entities, the health and the readiness of our Army are inseparable because health is a critical enabler to readiness. Today, I am proud to report that we are beginning to see results in readiness, in health, in cost savings. To our service lines and standardization of processes across the medical command, we have synchronized our policy, programs, and resources, and we are starting to see some very strong results. Our medical and dental readiness is at its highest level since 2001. Our performance triad of healthy sleep, activity, and nutrition is spreading across our Army and Army family. Since embedding behavior health capabilities in the brigade footprint, soldiers used outpatient behavior health care more frequently, had fewer acute crises, and required approximately 25,000 fewer inpatient psychiatric bed days in 2013 compared to 2012. This brought a cost avoidance of approximately $28 million. The Army wellness centers are seeing early indicators in improved health. For the 2,400 individuals who were followed, 62 percent saw a 4 percent decrease in their body mass index and a 15 percent increase in cardiovascular fitness and oxygen consumption. Our patient-centered medical home led to a 6 percent reduction in over-utilization of emergency room visits, which equates to a $16.3 million cost avoidance and a decrease in polypharmacy of almost 50 percent. I believe this is only the beginning as we continue towards a system of health. Army medicine ensures that the Army maintains a medically ready force and a ready medical force. Our health care providers require professional and operational development, which begins in our military hospitals. The Army medicine operating force provided 70 percent of combat casualty care in Iraq and Afghanistan. This valuable experience permeates into our education and our training base of the Uniform Service University, Army Medical Department (AMEDD) Center and School and our Joint Medical Education and Training Center at Fort Sam Houston. Our programs are outlined further in the written testimony. So I want to take a moment to acknowledge what is not in my written testimony. And that is, this is a time of hard conversations and very tough choices. For the first time, we are decreasing the size of our Army before the longest war in our Nation's history has ended. We are poised to transition to the interwar years, and we must work aggressively to sustain our combat care skills, nurture an environment of dignity and respect, and maintain trust with the American people. As a leader, I get asked what keeps me up at night. I worry about the long-term repercussions of these wars on our veterans. I worry about sexual assault and sexual harassment occurring across our Nation and Department of Defense. I worry about losing momentum towards building the health, resiliency, and readiness of our armed force. I worry about the loss of science and technology that has accelerated medical advances that give the American public confidence to allow their sons and daughters to serve. Our Nation has the best military medical team in the world, and there is no true equivalent within the civilian sector. We are a combat multiplier. We are drivers of medical innovation. What our men and women in military medicine do every day on deployments and in garrison is what makes military medicine unique, and it is what makes me very, very proud. This is both a time of challenge and a time of opportunity. The nature of war will always have medical threats. Our job is to be ready, whenever, and wherever. Anything less will cost lives, and this is not going to happen on my watch. Though we live in uncertain times, one thing is certain: A healthy, resilient, and ready Army will be, as it always has been, the strength of our Nation. I want to thank my partners in the Department of Defense and the VA, my colleagues here today on the panel, Congress, for your continued support. The Army medicine team is serving proudly; honored to serve. Thank you. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Thank you, General. [The statement of Lieutenant General Horoho follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Testimony of VADM Nathan Mr. Frelinghuysen. Admiral Nathan, welcome. Admiral Nathan. Thank you, sir. Chairman Frelinghuysen, Ranking Member Visclosky, distinguished members of the subcommittee, I am grateful for the opportunity to appear before you today on behalf of the dedicated men and women of Navy Medicine. We want to thank the committee for your outstanding support and your confidence. I can report to you that Navy Medicine and our team is mission- ready in delivering world class care anywhere any time. Navy Medicine OPTEMPO remains high, protecting, promoting, and restoring the health of Sailors and Marines deployed around the world, ashore, and afloat in all warfare domains above the sea, on the sea, under the sea, and on the land. We exist to support the operational missions of both the Navy and the Marine Corps. These responsibilities require us to be an agile, expeditionary medical force capable of meeting the demands of crisis response and global maritime security. Within Navy medicine, our planning efforts must always be synchronized with the Navy and Marine Corps. Our way forward reflects purpose and commitment to build on the work and investments we made last year. Our strategic goals remain as they did, readiness first, value and jointness. The goals are critical to sustaining our readiness mission, remaining flexible in the face of changing operational requirements and fiscal challenges as well as effectively managing our resources. They also leverage the use of technology and telehealth, help standardize clinical and business processes and improve alignment. Throughout Navy Medicine, our leaders are achieving measurable progress on these goals, and I am encouraged that these priorities are taking hold throughout our enterprise. By leveraging the capabilities of our patient-centered medical home, Medical Home Port, and initiating our CONUS hospital optimization plan, we are moving more workload into our MTFs. We are growing our enrollment and we are rebalancing staff and reducing overall purchase care expenditures. Just as importantly, we are ensuring that our graduate medical education programs remain second to none and that our provider teams sustain the clinical currency to always be battlefield ready. The establishment of the Defense Health Agency is an important milestone for the Military Health System and our collective efforts to realize potential efficiencies and savings. Navy Medicine is working with the DHA in conjunction with our partners in the Army and Air Force, to ensure that rigorous business case analysis is conducted and validated for the shared services while we continue to focus on improved integration of health care, benefits, and services in the six enhanced multiservice markets. Strategically, I am convinced that we are stronger as a result of our work with the other Services, our interagency partners, leading academic and private research institutions, as well as other civilian experts. These collaborations are essential. They are important as we leverage efficiencies and best practices in clinical care, research, education, global health engagement, and supporting our wounded servicemembers in their recovery and ultimately in their transition. Psychological health is an important component of overall force health protection. We recognize that prolonged operational stress can have significant and potentially debilitating consequences. We continue to embed mental health capabilities in operational units and primary care settings in order to identify and manage issues before they manifest to psychological problems. This priority extends to suicide prevention efforts where we train Sailors, Marines, and their families to recognize operational stress and use tools to manage and reduce its effects. As leaders, we have renewed our emphasis on ensuring that we focus on every Sailor every day, particularly those in transition, who may be facing personal and professional adversity. We know that an increasing sense of community and purpose is an important protective factor in preventing suicide. We must remain ready and accessible to those who need our help. These are transformational times in military medicine. There is much work ahead as we navigate the important challenges and seize the opportunities to keep our Sailors and Marines healthy and maximize the value for all of our patients and leverage our joint opportunities. I am encouraged with the progress we have made, but I am not satisfied. We continue to look for ways to improve and remain on the forefront of delivering world class health care anywhere, any time. Again, thank you, sir, and I look forward to your questions. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Thank you, Admiral Nathan. [The statement of Vice Admiral Nathan follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Testimony of LT GEN Travis Mr. Frelinghuysen. General Dr. Travis, thank you for being with us again. General Travis. Yes, sir. Thank you. Mr. Chairman, Ranking Member Visclosky, distinguished members of the subcommittee, thanks for inviting me to appear before you today. Our military forces in this Nation have benefited from the vast achievements Army, Navy, and Air Force medics have jointly made in deployed and en route care since the beginning of the current war. With this war winding down, and it is not done, even with our fiscal challenges, we now have a clear responsibility to make sure military medics are well trained and well prepared for whatever contingency the future brings to include combat operations, stability operations, humanitarian assistance, or disaster relief. To enhance our core competency in the ground expeditionary mission or, in our case, the Air Evac mission, we must ensure that our providers continue to have robust opportunities to practice their skills and that we continue to pursue critical research and modernization initiatives for the future. We have very successfully leveraged civilian partnerships to maintain trauma skills readiness, and as this war subsides, I am convinced we will rely even more strongly on these relationships to help us train and conduct research. As the way we fight wars evolves, the way we provide medical support for operators must also evolve. Airmen who are manning systems, such as distributed common ground stations, space and cyber operations, or remotely piloted aircraft, and those who operate outside the wire, such as security forces, Special Ops, and explosive ordnance disposal specialists, just as an example, all face distinct challenges. These types of injuries or stressors, both visible and invisible, to members and their families are also changing. We must provide medical support in different ways than we have in the past to address what we describe as an expanding definition of operator and step up to our role as human performance practitioners. Not only will access and care be more customized for the mission, but so will prevention. For example, we have embedded mental health providers with the right level of security clearance in several remote warfare units to be readily available at the duty location to provide early intervention and care for those experiencing occupational stress that could affect their performance. These important operators may not otherwise have sought care. The Air Force is committed to the Department's plan for reorganization of the Military Health System to include the establishment of the Defense Health Agency. There are many changes in the works for how we will operate, and you have heard some from my partners. We are excited to be fully engaged with our partners in this very tough work, and it is tough work, as we continually focus on providing trusted care and maintaining a fit, healthy, and ready fighting force. Personally, I have been in the Air Force for 37 years, first as a fighter pilot, and now for many years as a physician. In my career, I have never seen a time when it is more evident how important military medicine is to the operational capability of this Nation. We have learned much, and our medics have performed magnificently. Even in the face of budget challenges, we have to be as ready at the beginning of the next war as we are now with the end of the current war. I think our Nation expects that. Your continued support of Air Force medicine, military medicine, and our mission is greatly appreciated. Thank you for that support and for having me here today. [The statement of Lieutenant General (Dr.) Travis follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Mr. Frelinghuysen. Okay, thank you on all of our behalf. Before I yield to Ms. Granger, we pay tribute to the joint work that you have done in Afghanistan, but we still have 33,000 plus, actually, soldiers and Marines and Seamen, and you name it, Air Force personnel, over there. And if the public only knew what happens on the battlefield and the fact that those medics are right there to provide immediate transport within the golden hour to the incredible trauma hospital that does amazing things, the genius and the courage of the people who do that airlift, and then to land still where, you know, often parents are there wringing their hands and worrying from home, and then they are transported back to the Continental United States, is an incredible achievement. And statistics are human. The lives that have been saved, so I know on all of our behalf, we feel very strongly about the work you have done, and it is not over. We don't know exactly what our exit strategy is out of Afghanistan, but that in some ways makes it even more dangerous to be there. So it is good to know that you have personnel on the ground that do some remarkable things in the face of huge adversity. Ms. Granger. EXPERIMENTAL TREATMENTS FOR TBI AND PTSD Ms. Granger. Thank you. Thank you all for being here. Dr. Woodson, I have a question. I had the opportunity to talk with Navy Seal Marcus Luttrell of all of the treatments he has received for traumatic brain injury and post-traumatic stress disorder. He told me the only treatment that worked for him he received at the Carrick Brain Centers, and last week, he told me, he said that was the first time he had been able to sleep all night since he was injured. I went to visit Carrick and to see the treatment firsthand, and the results were just amazing. Carrick is a multidisciplinary brain rehabilitation center, and they combine evidence-based diagnostics with leading-edge technology and treatment to help people suffering from brain injuries due to physical or emotional trauma, and they use a very innovative approach that they explained to me retrains the healthy part of the brain to take over the functions of the part of the brain that has been damaged. My question, when we identify successful treatments like that, I think it is important that all of our servicemembers have an opportunity to benefit from them. But unfortunately, these treatments are labeled experimental, so TRICARE won't cover any of the cost. My question is, what needs to be done so that we can have those innovative treatments or treatments outside of the military to be available to all of the military? I think we are missing huge opportunities. Dr. Woodson. Thanks very much for that question, and I agree with your sentiments wholeheartedly. Let me provide two brief answers to the question. Number one, I do think we need to develop a more flexible approach to bring evolving treatments and strategies more rapidly into the TRICARE plan, if you will. And in fact, we have been discussing this recently because of other issues that have come up relative to new approaches to diagnostics. One of the issues for TRICARE to deal with is that it is a defined benefit that kind of looks like an insurance product, and then so we are sort of limited sometimes by the Code of Federal Regulation in terms of this business of proof. Having said that, I think the issue is it is time to work out a system where we can go ahead and provisionally cover these evolving practices and create more flexibility in the program, so I agree with you. The second piece I would just say is that I agree with the treatment strategy that you have outlined, and through the National Intrepid Center of Excellence and additional sites that have been generously funded by the Fisher Foundation, we are incorporating just those same practices and making them available throughout the military for servicemembers with brain injuries. Ms. Granger. Good. I think it is just very, very important. And I would say to anybody else that isn't familiar with it, I certainly was not familiar with it, but to visit that would be certainly worth your time. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Thank you, Ms. Granger. Mr. Moran. RISE IN HEALTH CARE COSTS Mr. Moran. Thanks very much, Mr. Chairman. Dr. Woodson, as you know, the costs--I have a little cold, so excuse me--the cost of military healthcare has more than doubled over a little more than a decade now from less than $20 billion, to almost $50 billion. Now, the fees for TRICARE beneficiaries were set almost 20 years ago, and they haven't changed, even as the cost of health care has increased dramatically over time. Over the last decade, CBO reports that DoD healthcare funding is far outpacing inflation, and costs are going to rise even further in the coming years. So what we see now is something that is beginning to squeeze our defense budget, is going to become ever more pronounced in the years ahead as we have more and more uniformed personnel returning from combat and the like. You have proposed changes to TRICARE that are intended to incentivize a more effective and efficient form of using health care. Now, it is my understanding that the Department has substantial data that show that it is actually a fairly small percentage of TRICARE users that are termed super users of the system. They have much higher costs because they tend to use the most expensive forms of health care and do it far more frequently. For example, instead of seeing a nurse when their child has a cold, they go to the emergency room. That is done in civilian life, and it is done with DoD hospitals as well. Now, could you share some of this data with the committee so that it may be possible to gain a better grasp of what is driving this dramatic increase in healthcare costs? Dr. Woodson. Sir, thank you very much for the question, and you have outlined a lot of very pertinent issues nicely. So, in 1990, the early 1990s, the Defense Health Program budget was about 4 percent of the base budget of the Department of Defense. And as you have outlined, since the year 2000, 2001, we have more than doubled from $19 billion to a height of about $54 billion in 2012. We have made some management changes and some program changes to save about $3 billion per year, and our current budget that we are proposing of $47.5 billion is about 4 percent below what the height was, basically, so we have made changes. But the issue is that we have still grown from about 9.5 or so percent of base budget, to just about 10 percent of base budget. So we are pedalling harder, but we are not catching up. And the reason is that over the course of TRICARE, of course, the fees have not gone up. Some fees have actually gone down, so the catastrophic cap which was $7,000 when CHAMPUS was originally instituted when TRICARE came on board is now $1,000, and there have been adjustments in other fees. And if you take it in real 2014 dollars, they have actually gone down. So we are doing, I think what we should be doing in terms of management to make it as efficient as possible, but we do need to readjust the program to provide the incentives for the right utilization of care. Right now, particularly in the retiree, the working-age retirees who are in our TRICARE Prime program, they actually consume more resources, health care than sort of age-matched folks who have a civilian HMO program. So we do have substantial data that we need to revise the system to incentivize the right utilization of care but provide the access. It is really important that we bring a lot of these in line. The other thing I would say is that as it relates to TRICARE, I think all of the stakeholders have tried to provide a very robust product for the beneficiaries, and they deserve it. But these have added costs, so TRICARE for Life, for example, was introduced and probably represents about 30 to 33 percent of the increasing cost over the early decade of the 2000, is a robust product but carries with it no cost share and no enrollment fee. And so what we have tried to do is not bring in draconian changes that produce a lot of out-of-pocket costs, but bring in modest costs that in fact will help produce a more enduring and efficient program. WORKING AGE MILITARY RETIREES Mr. Moran. I appreciate that Dr. Woodson, but in Medicare, for example, we find that less than 20 percent of the beneficiary population incurs more than 80 percent of the costs. And I was just wondering if that doesn't apply to TRICARE as well. But I have a followup question on this. I wonder if you have considered alternatives that increase the cost sharing for working-age military retirees because when I look at what you are doing, it is not going to relieve the pressure on the rest of the budget. It is going to affect force personnel and any number of other priorities. But often working-age military retirees will retire from the military but very quickly find work in the private sector, which is what we expect them to do. But they hold on to their TRICARE health plans because they are so much cheaper than any civilian health plan. So you have to wonder, wouldn't it make sense to have a tiered approach to cost sharing so as to protect the more vulnerable and younger less established beneficiaries? Dr. Woodson. Sir, that is a very good question and proposal, and you know, in years past, we have offered up tiered approaches to the cost share. And, you know, we certainly can look at that. I think what we have offered up this year is a proposal that modernizes the product, but also provides a better cost share. You know, when the program originally went into place, there was about a 27 percent cost share for working-age retirees. That now has fallen to about 9.3 percent. Mr. Moran. So it has dropped from 27 percent to 9 percent? Dr. Woodson. Yes, 9.3, yeah. And under our proposal, we readjust the fees so that they have about an 11 percent cost share. So we have moved in the right direction, and I appreciate the CBO report that you have mentioned in your statement, but we have tried tiered approaches before. We think that the proposal this time around gives the beneficiary something as we are asking them to pay a little bit more, which is a modern approach with fewer encumbrances. So the proposal this year removes this authorization of referrals, which has been a major dissatisfier for folks using the program. So they get something, even as we are asking them to pay a little bit more. Mr. Moran. I have used up my time. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Frelinghuysen. He needs an answer, I think a better answer to his question. If there are super users, is it a family with multiple issues? I think we need a better handle on that. But you will provide that information for us, or will follow up with some questions. Mr. Kingston. INCENTIVES IN HEALTH CARE UTILIZATION Mr. Kingston. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Dr. Woodson, I wanted to continue along these lines that Mr. Moran brought up. I am wondering, and maybe you have done this, but have you ever looked at the testimony of, say, your predecessors as far back as 10 years ago to see what they did, what they said, because I don't say this critically because we are all a little bit guilty, but it is always this forward thinking, if we are going to do it robust, we are going to have the best quality healthcare. We are going to do this and that. And you know, I mean, your testimonies could have been written by Madison County ad people, and I just say that, again, not trying to be critical, but that is what we would have been hearing 10 years ago, regardless of who the administration is. And I am wondering if there were some lessons that you can have somebody reach back and say, well, what is it they did? Because one of the things you said to Mr. Moran is that you are looking for ways to incentivize inside the VA. Why hasn't that been done? We have been hearing that, and as I understand, there is now legislation that allows people who have been less than performing to be fired. There is nothing revolutionary about that. But apparently, it takes legislation on it. And last year, this committee put on an amendment, and it passed the full floor of the House, that said if the VA did not clean up its backlog, there would be a 25 percent reduction in salary on the administration level. So we are all, you know, united together to find that magic incentive, but I am just wondering what are the--what is keeping it from happening? And again, I am not directing this towards you, but towards all of us who have sat in these chairs over the years. Dr. Woodson. I don't know that I can speak for the Veterans Administration, but I do--would respond by saying that we have looked at all of the incentives and where the industry goes to try and promote wellness and modify behavior and trying to encourage the right use of health care. And those are incorporated in the proposal that we have put forward. Mr. Kingston. And along that line, have you sat down with the VSOs, because I know that, in terms of the health care in the VA, it is still the same kind of issues that we are facing, but have you sat down with the VSOs to discuss this, and can you get their buy-in? Dr. Woodson. Well, we have engaged repetitively with the VSOs, and we know that they are not happy about increasing fees. I will say that over the last few years as we have talked to them, one of the things that they have repetitively told us is that we needed to produce a more efficient administration to wring costs and inefficiency out of that. And I think we have responded to that with the establishment of the Defense Health Agency, which I think is historic, in trying to make sure that we have the most efficient, most effective, lowest-cost administrative organization as possible. So I think we have responded to it. Mr. Kingston. And would you say that, say, 2 years from now, 3 years from now, there will be a difference that you can say, I did that, I have bent that cost curve, which Mr. Moran has mentioned? And again, it is astounding that since 2000, military personnel has decreased 10 percent, but the costs have doubled. And so I think that is why we are all frustrated about it. Because we all share the same goal. We want the quality, the best healthcare. It is extremely important to take care of our military personnel, but also this cost issue is just---- Dr. Woodson. So in answer, direct answer to that question, yes, I can say that in the future, and actually now, we have started bending the cost curve. As I mentioned before, we are saving about $3 billion a year, so we have Federal ceiling pricing. We have prospective payment system, readjusted programs to save millions, if not billions, of dollars. The pharmacy changes alone have yielded $7 billion in the last 4 to 5 years. So we are working very hard, and that is why I mentioned before we are pedalling pretty hard, but even when we are doing that, because the top line of the Department of Defense is coming down, we become a greater percentage of the cost, and we compete in terms of training, manning equipment, and modernizing the force. Mr. Kingston. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Thank you, Mr. Kingston. Ms. McCollum. MALARIA AND TROPICAL DISEASES Ms. McCollum. Thank you, Mr. Chair, I am going to switch the topic here a little bit. You work with so much, you cover so much, but one of the things that I have been interested in, and I mentioned with you my father had malaria, so kind of paying attention to those kinds of long-term diseases, and the effects that they have on people not only when they are serving but when they come home can be pretty impactful. So what is going on with the tropical diseases is what I would like to focus on a little bit? U.S. service men and women are often deployed to tropical disease epidemic regions. We have, with the extension of AFRICOM now, the look to the Pacific, with some of the islands and where we are going to find our service men and women. I think this becomes very impactful. In 2003, malaria impacted Marines deployed to Liberia, and it affected 80 out of 220 Marines. The number of days lost among U.S. military personnel due to malaria, just malaria, during every military campaign fought in malaria epidemic regions during the 21st century, is alarming. Humanitarian missions are often in some of these regions, too, that place Americans at risk of infectious diseases, evidenced by several Americans contracting malaria while supporting the Haiti and Philippine efforts. So reducing the risk of malaria is one thing in which, you know, you have a proud history of working on, but there are many, many other diseases that are being presented to service men and women. And it is critical in your mission to succeed in finding ways to either prevent, or to treat. So, you know, I can't stress enough our role, your role, the government's role in what we have done on diseases in the past. So we know we have problems with drugs and prophylactics used to keep our men and women safe from these tropical disease regions, and sometimes they are not reliable. Sometimes they don't exist, and sometimes the side effects are such that it is very hard to get people to comply with correct usage and dosage. So I am going to ask you a couple of questions here, but for folks here, Dengue fever is something that is spreading throughout. It is just not in Asia anymore. It is in Africa. It is in Central America, not too far from our doorsteps, and maybe possibly in Texas and in Florida, with climate change. I am not going to say this right, but I am going to give it a shot, chikungunya. Admiral Nathan. Chikungunya. Ms. McCollum. All right, you guys got it. But it is another, as Dengue fever, it is another mosquito, and you know, you look at the charts. It is all over in Africa. It is in India, and it is all over in Asia. It seems to somehow as of yet have missed Australia, but, you know, they are probably paying attention to what is going on, too. So in what you were talking about with, you know, getting right sized, making the decisions on how to make sure that medical costs are given in a way that is strategic, that treats the illness, that treats the disease, but isn't overtaxing the taxpayer, with our world change and with our climate changing, you are still confronted with a lot of these tropical diseases. So what are you doing to, you know, continue to prioritize the R&D for the tools to combat these neglected and tropical diseases to ensure that we are prepared, that our service men and women are prepared? I mean, you cannot lose that many people down with--when you have Dengue fever, you don't move, and there is no treatment for it at all. And if it was to have an outbreak on a military ship or some Marines or some Army folks in AFRICOM deployed, you know, what are we going to do about it? So what do we need to know about what you have to continue moving forward in your R&D on these diseases? Dr. Woodson. Let me make one comment and then I am going to turn it over to the Surgeons General who can really speak to this. We do have a robust program in infectious disease to include all of those diseases that you mentioned, and we have a network of overseas labs. But I think the Surgeons General really can speak to this effect. General Horoho. Okay, thank you, ma'am, for the question. I just recently returned from Thailand looking at one of our labs that really has tremendous focus in the area of malaria, and disease preventions within the Asia area. And right now, we are in Phase 3 clinical trials for a vaccine prevention for malaria, which is looking very, very promising. We are spending and focusing our efforts on not just prevention but also looking at the oral prevention and trying to find other alternative medications that have less side effects than some of the ones that are there today and so I know we are working very collaboratively with the Navy where they have got research and I will allow Matt to comment. Admiral Nathan. Yes, ma'am, your point is very well taken because we are putting people on ventilators in the United States that started from an infection in poultry in Southeast Asia. And so this is a worldwide threat. Regarding globally emerging infections, and we are front and center on the readiness aspect of it, of the deleterious effects to our troops. We quiz medical students, and we ask them what is the deadliest animal in the world? And they come up with snake, or bear, or tiger. However, it is the mosquito. It kills more people per year than any other animal on the planet. As General Horoho said, there are amazing strides being made in vaccines. Hopefully, within the next few years, we will have a viable vaccine for malaria, especially as drug-resistant malaria is now starting to emerge in Southeast Asia, which has no known treatment. The bird flu avian influenza, the H1N1s and the H5N5s are starting to emerge. We are on scene with the Army in this research. I just got back from Singapore, Cambodia, and Vietnam, where we have very robust epicenters of study going on collaboratively. These not only proffer global health engagement and partnerships and diplomacy, but we are also creating world class science that perhaps can nip these in the bud. The Navy has the only military base in South America. It is a Navy research center in Lima, Peru. We also operate in Cairo, Egypt, which has been running uninterrupted for the last 50 years. We are in Singapore, Cambodia, and Southeast Asia. The Army also has a very robust research in Thailand. To answer your question, I think we are leaning forward on this issue. We recognize the threat not only to our personnel but to the world citizenry at large, and we are very interested in trying to make headway on this and gain partnerships and trust of other nations as we do it. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Thank you, Ms. McCollum. Mr. Crenshaw. MALARIA VACCINE Mr. Crenshaw. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just following up on that, when you mentioned you are doing research for vaccines, and I know you have been working on that, but you mentioned in a couple of years. Do you have any idea, I mean, more specifically when you think you might have a vaccine? Because I know it is being tested. Is that a year or 2 years, or what? Admiral Nathan. Well, we have just recently come up with a vaccine that provides for the first time 100 percent immunity. The challenge is that malaria, somewhat like viruses, can morph and there are four distinct types. Finding one that that will reach the necessary titers and the efficacy and field testing it. We have already used it on human subjects, and it has been proven to be effective in our human lab subjects. We will see what happens as they expand now to the more native areas. To answer your question, sir, I am told by our research experts--and Patty, correct me if I am wrong--but they really think they are within a few years of finding one that may be commercially---- Mr. Crenshaw. We are talking about healthcare costs and how that is a big part of our personnel and how the personnel costs are kind of impacting readiness. It is an important conversation to have. I think you all are essential. And we talked from the outset about how you share the cost, but I think we are talking more about how we can lower the cost of health care and one of the things I would think if you had a vaccine as opposed to some antimalarial drug, there probably is a quantifiable cost savings if you could deal with that, because it is preventable. You can have a net and all those kind of things and you can take drugs--but if you could actually have a vaccine, it seems like that is something that would be a way to save money in the big picture in terms of health care. Is that right? I mean, I don't know if you tried to quantify that. Admiral Nathan. Absolutely, sir. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. I would add, as you know, administratively and the bureaucracy of putting new medications or novel medications out into general use go through the wickets, often which are protective, but it can also be substantial. And that is where some of the time comes from in order to meet all of the requirements of testing. COLLABORATIVE RESEARCH EFFORTS Mr. Crenshaw. Because let me follow up on that. I mean, I know that there are some partnerships that you all have--I don't know if you are all familiar with it. I met with Colonel Craig Shriver. He is a director of the Murtha Cancer Center at Walter Reed, and I think John Murtha, who we all know and love, his legacy lives on in cancer research. And that is one of the areas that I was talking to Colonel Shriver about, they have a partnership with what is called the Moffitt Cancer Center, and they are doing a lot of research, working together to deal with prostate cancer and lung cancer. And one of the major benefits, as I understand it, they were explaining to me, they can take the--you have got a great reservoir of populations in centralized medical systems, and they have got the doctors. And as you work together, you can figure out what cancers require treatment and what cancers are more benign and don't need treatment, and then that knowledge can reduce not only treatment costs, but it can improve the quality of life of the people involved. And so I don't know how familiar you all are with that partnership with the Moffitt Cancer Center. Maybe, Dr. Woodson, if you can talk a little bit about how that is bringing down the overall cost, if you are not familiar with, specifically, what is your view of this leveraging taxpayers' dollars in terms of medical research using, you know, outside groups like that to work with you, to ultimately lower the cost for everybody? Dr. Woodson. I couldn't agree with you more. And if you remember back to my opening statement, I talked about one of my six lines of effort is defining and investing in strategic partners. It is absolutely necessary. And so one of the ways we have gone recently is consortium, to bringing the best and the brightest, best talent, wherever it might be, into the picture to solve the problem. I don't know, General Horoho, do you have anything? General Horoho. Thank you, sir. There is much that is being done in the area of partnerships. So as we look at what is the military relevancy of different scientific research that needs to be done, there are government dollars that are put towards it, but a majority of the dollars really are from the partnerships that we have with civilian institutions. There is usually a civilian relevancy along with our military relevancy when we are looking in the area of health care. You could look at what is being done with regenerative medicine. We are now on the second consortium. Much of the transplant, both the hands and our face transplant, has come out of that consortium. There is tremendous work that is being done in cancer research, in autism, in neurotrauma, just across the board. And also with Melinda Gates, Bill Gates, their foundation. There is no way, I think, in the environment that we are in, that we can do the relevancy of the research that needs to be done without the partnership within the civilian community. I think it is vital. Mr. Crenshaw. Thank you. General Travis. Could I add one more comment just on the partnership thing? And I alluded to this in my opening comments, as well. For years, we have been doing trauma training with university partnerships--University of Cincinnati, St. Louis, Baltimore Shock Trauma right up the road. We have provided trauma training for folks who were just about to deploy, hundreds of them, so that they get the trauma experience, trauma exposure. But the side effect of that is, because we have persistent presence and staff in those trauma centers, there is also tremendous research going on with our university partners that could not occur just on our own budget. Mr. Frelinghuysen. We are assuming--and Mr. Crenshaw's time is up, but let me put my oar in the water here--that you are intimately aware of these investments from congressionally directed medical research programs. So we assume you are. Mr. Owens, thank you for your patience. SHORTAGE OF MENTAL HEALTH PROVIDERS Mr. Owens. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you for coming today to testify. Dr. Woodson, does DoD suffer from a shortage of mental health professionals, whether it is psychiatrists, psychologists, or psychiatric social workers? Dr. Woodson. So, our fill rate for our psychiatrists is about 91 percent. Overall, for all behavioral specialists, we are tracking at about 102 percent, but that is because we are able to fill certain behavioral specialists in excess, like clinical psychologists at 124 percent. The short answer is that we do have deficiencies in certain areas, and these tend to be the hard professionals to recruit because they are in demand throughout the Nation. Mr. Owens. And are you recruiting primarily for civilian participation as opposed to servicemember participation in those occupations? Dr. Woodson. So, yeah, I think it is both. We want to make sure that we have the right professionals to provide services to our members. Mr. Owens. In rural areas, in which many military installations are located--I happen to have Fort Drum in my district--is that an issue that is more prevalent in those geographic areas than it would be in an urban or suburban setting? Dr. Woodson. Absolutely. And to try and mitigate and deal with this, as we talk about what should be our 21st-century capabilities, we are trying to invest heavily in tele-behavior- health so that consultation can be provided even in rural or more austere environments. FORT DRUM REGIONAL HEALTH PLANNING ORGANIZATION Mr. Owens. Thank you. General Horoho, are you familiar with the Fort Drum Regional Health Planning Organization? General Horoho. Yes, sir. Mr. Owens. What is the Army's position relative to that organization? General Horoho. Back in 2010, I believe, the funding stopped for that organization. So part of--in the past, it was a very close relationship with the Army in looking at how to maximize the civilian health care around the Fort Drum community to meet access to care and ensure continuity of care. And so what we rely on right now is really looking at the TRICARE partners within the Fort Drum community to ensure that we are trying to meet those needs. Mr. Owens. And that is because Fort Drum does not have a hospital facility on the post. General Horoho. We don't have in-patient. We have a hospital facility, but we don't have in-patient care. That is a subspecialty. Mr. Owens. My ultimate question is, is there something that we can do to get the Army or DoD to reengage with the Health Planning Organization and to provide funding for it? General Horoho. I would have to refer over to DoD. Dr. Woodson. We would be happy to look at the affiliation and the need for services. Yeah, I mean, if there is a need, yeah, absolutely, we will talk. Mr. Owens. I think the--certainly my perception is, I think those folks at Fort Drum clearly think that there is a need for that assistance. And New York State is going through, and in particular in my region, a healthcare redesign commission. I happen to be an advisory member of that group. And for us, this has a regional impact, as well. So I would hope that we could facilitate both military health care and the local communities' health care. Thank you. I yield back. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Thank you. The ranking member of the full committee has joined us, Mrs. Lowey from New York. And I know she has something to say, and we always value what you have to say. Mrs. Lowey. MENTAL HEALTH AND SUICIDE PREVENTION EFFORTS Mrs. Lowey. Well, you are very, very kind. And I apologize that we seem to be having three or four hearings at the same time. And I know that your presentation has been invaluable, and it is my loss. I am sorry that I have not been able to be here for the entire hearing. One of my concerns, and, I know it is a concern of many of my colleagues, but it hasn't been discussed as yet, is, after 13 years of war, the invisible wounds have been among the hardest to comprehend and to treat. I would be most appreciative if each of you could share your efforts to treat these invisible wounds over the past two wars and in a post-war climate. The committee has added funding above the request dating back to 2004. If you could focus on how the funding has helped advance treatment in the areas of psychological health, traumatic brain injury. If you could each give a brief description of your respective Service efforts to reduce the number of suicides. What program is the most effective? What would you do differently if you had more funding dedicated to suicide- prevention efforts? And what are you doing to help your servicemembers cope with the anxiety of the personnel drawdowns and the anticipated slower tempo? Maybe I will stop at that. But I think this is an issue that we are all dealing with in our communities. And when I have seen families distraught from this, I can just imagine the personal pain that they are enduring themselves. So if you could each discuss that, I would be most appreciative. General Horoho. Thank you, ma'am, very much for that question. So if I could start first in, kind of, the strategic, and I will narrow it all the way down. So the overall culture change that we had across our Army has been over the last couple years, and we have really made a culture shift of focusing more on readiness and resiliency. And what we have found is, over the start of the war and throughout, with the robust funding, is that we had many programs that were developed because the funding was there, and these programs were developed to meet the needs. And what we needed to do is to look and start evaluating the effectiveness of the programs and get more proactive than reactive. And so that has been a fundamental shift. And we have started to synchronize Installation Command, as well as MEDCOM, as well as our personnel community, to look at policy, programs, and resources, and actually have metrics where we evaluate the programs. So that is the overall readiness and resiliency campaign plan. And we also looked at synchronizing, within the readiness and resiliency, our performance triad of looking at sleep, activity, nutrition, with a focus on brain health and having that synchronize with Comprehensive Soldier and Family Fitness, with ArmyFit, so that our efforts are not a medical effort but it really is an effort that is pushed into the line community to look at health and wellness. Because there is so much that is connected in that area, if people are having Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) and are using alcohol to maybe fall asleep because of the nightmares and you start having all of those bad outcomes. So we are trying to be very preventive and proactive in that area. So we have ongoing studies at Fort Bliss, Fort Lewis, Fort Bragg, and also in Afghanistan, looking at health outcomes associated with the performance triad. Then we have also stood up a behavioral health service line, which has standardized behavioral health across every platform and touchpoint in which we provide behavioral health care. We started out with 211 programs. We narrowed them down to 11 enterprise-wide behavioral health programs. And then we rolled out a behavioral health data portal, which is the first time ever we are looking at health outcomes to truly evaluate how effective our behavioral health is. And then the Air Force and the Navy are actually adopting that behavioral health portal, as well. And then we have combined that with the use of tele- behavioral health. So we provide behavioral health care using tele-behavioral health over 19 different time zones. That has allowed us to actually double the amount of behavioral health being provided. And so we are starting to see, with embedded behavioral health, and we have actually pushed our behavioral health providers into the garrison footprint, we are seeing a decrease in in-patient behavioral health admissions, we are seeing an increase in health outcomes in the area of behavioral health. And then we have trained all of our primary-care providers in behavioral health. So it is truly a system moving into that area. ELECTRONIC HEALTH RECORD Mrs. Lowey. Just if I can pursue that for a moment, you are talking about identifying the problems while they are on active duty. One of our concerns--I am sure when I was gone you were talking about the lack of an integrated medical records system. Mr. Frelinghuysen. We have yet to get into it, but we are definitely going to get into it before we leave here, I can assure you. They are on alert, Ms. Lowey, I can assure you. Mrs. Lowey. Okay. So I will leave that for someone else. But on this particular area, what we have found--and although it seems to be getting better, but I know many of the problems occur after the person is transitioned, after the person is a veteran. And most of the problems are blamed on Secretary Shinseki. However, no matter how many times we bring it up, no matter how many times we talk about it--it has been months, Mr. Chairman. Is that correct? We still don't have---- Mr. Frelinghuysen. It is about 7 or 8 years, actually. Mrs. Lowey. All right. Mr. Frelinghuysen. It has been too long. But we are going to focus on it and we are going to get some answers before they leave here. Mrs. Lowey. So what I wonder about in this particular area, if these problems are identified before the person leaves active duty, are they followed into the next phase of their life? Are they continuing to get this service? I hear ``no,'' but I would be most appreciative if you can tell us some good things, as would the chair. Mr. Frelinghuysen. We are going to extract those answers out of them before they leave here. Is that all right? Mrs. Lowey. That is fine. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Okay. Thank you, Ms. Lowey. Mr. Womack. CONTAINING HEALTH CARE COSTS Mr. Womack. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So many questions, so little time. And I want to thank the panel for their service to our country and what they are doing. Earlier in the testimony, in the Q&A, there was reference made to what we are doing, given the increased cost of having to treat those that have been so courageous, have gone downrange and served their country in uniform. A simple question: No matter what you do, no matter what best management practices we use, no matter what we do to leverage technology, do we still have a simple math problem, in that there are more people that have served our country in uniform that are going to be subject to the promised care that we have made to our service men and women? Do we just simply have a math problem right now? Dr. Woodson. Dr. Woodson. In part, it is a math problem, because people live longer and so they will utilize the benefit for a longer period of time. In part, it is a math problem because 5, 6, 7 years ago the number of eligible beneficiaries that took advantage of TRICARE was about 62 percent. It is now about 84 percent, and we expect some rise to around 90 percent. And then, in part, it is---- Mr. Visclosky. Excuse me, what were the percentages of? Dr. Woodson. Sir? Mr. Visclosky. What was the whole of the percentages? Dr. Woodson. About 84 percent of eligible beneficiaries are in TRICARE. Mr. Visclosky. Oh. Dr. Woodson. So, in part, it is a math problem, but also it is a delivery of care strategy, as well. So, both, yeah. READINESS Mr. Womack. This committee has had a number of briefings and hearings, and at the very core of our concern is our Nation's readiness in uniform. And so we have, in kind of descending from this long period of time where we have had an elevated state of readiness because of the multiple deployments of our men and women in uniform, as we start to descend from that operational tempo, are you a bit concerned about our capacity to keep our men and women in uniform ready medically, and specifically our Guard and Reserve folks, who have had unprecedented levels of medical readiness in this timeframe? General. General Travis. Sir, great question. I am very concerned about it. I think we all are. We talk about it all the time. I say frequently in public forums, war is a hell of a readiness platform. Because you stay trained, you focus on war. It is a great motivation to get training and be out there and doing the job. As we come home from this war--and it is not done, as the chairman alluded to--I think the opportunities to really have that exposure are going to be waning, diminishing. When I go into an MTF these days and I say, ``How many of you deployed?'', 70 percent of the hands go up. In 5 years, it is not going to be that many. And then that is why I made a comment in the opening that I am worried about us not being as ready at the next one as we are right now for this one. So the issue is, even as we are trying to find ways to save money and we are looking within our own direct care system to do that, frankly, we don't need to be chopping the direct care system that much, because we still have to have the opportunity to practice, not just doctors but nurses, technicians, and the rest. With regards to the Reserves, as you may know, for us, the air evac system, 60 percent of our air evac mission is Reserve. And they are performing magnificently. So how do you keep them, number one, clinically engaged, as this war winds down, but then also exposure to care in the air? And, of course, whatever we do in the future, because we have be proven now that it is not just how many beds you have in theater--in fact, it is not how many beds you have in theater; it is actually how quickly you can transit people back to the right level of care. We have transformed how we do medical care in war these days. So I am just, all I am doing, I guess, sir, is endorsing your worry. And we have all, to include the Secretary, kind of strapped this on and tried to think of transformational ways that we can keep our folks clinically engaged--and, again, our partners will be very important in that--but, also, you know, figure out how to, you know, leverage each other's strengths, as we are doing now more in an interoperable way than we have ever done. SERGEANT BRENDAN MARROCCO Mr. Womack. Well, far too often, we consider readiness to be more of a move, shoot, communicate, and prosecute war, but so much of it is based on a platform of medical readiness from the get-go. And if I could, for just a couple of seconds. Last year, I consider the testimony or the example, General Horoho, that you gave regarding Sergeant Brendan Marrocco which is one of the most incredible things I have ever witnessed in life. And so maybe a little bit later on you could, kind of, update us on that young man's situation, who became, I think, the first soldier who had quadruple amputations, to be the recipient of double-arm and/or double-hand transplant surgery. And I will leave it there. It is an incredible, riveting story, and I thank you for it. Mr. Chairman, I yield back. Mr. Frelinghuysen. None of us will ever forget it, but you will update us a little before we leave here. The gentleman from Alabama, and then Mr. Ryan. Mr. Aderholt. TRICARE FEE TIERS Mr. Aderholt. Thank you for all being here this afternoon. Dr. Woodson, in your submitted testimony, it appears that cost-sharing fees have been split between the ranks of E-4 and below and E-5 and above. The concern is an E-5 would pay the same cost share as an O-6, when the difference in base-pay salaries between the two ranks is about $7,000 per month when you factor in typical service-years. Can you elaborate to us on how the Department determined that the cost-share program should be split at the ranks of E-4 and E-5 and why there are two cost-share categories, given that there are a total of 24 ranks in the military and the base-pay salaries range from $1,500 a month to $15,000, depending on the rank? Dr. Woodson. This is an excellent question. And the reason it is excellent, it gets to the issue of fairness and how you make it equitable and then how you actually administer a program if you have to constantly check grade, status, income, et cetera. I think that the Service chiefs and the senior enlisted folks, who had great input into this, looked at it--and I would remind you again that in last year and the year before, when we made proposals, we tried to break out even in greater tiers, looking at, sort of, ranks and the, sort of, categories you have indicated. The bottom line is, at some point, you come to a decision about what you think is fair, equitable, and doesn't produce an undue burden. So, for example, with the E-4 and below, the majority of those individuals, including their family members, have access to MTF care, which means that they could have extremely low- cost and no-cost care. So if you look at the numbers of folks in that grade that use TRICARE Prime Remote, which would be an indicator that they are away from the MTFs, it turns out to be an extraordinarily low number, less than 2 percent. So when you look at, sort of, the distribution of folks and then you try and devise a program that you can administer and you get the input of the Service chiefs and the senior enlisted, this was the proposal that we came up with. But your point is well-taken. Mr. Aderholt. Thank you. That is all I have. Mr. Frelinghuysen. That is an excellent question. It concerns all of us. Mr. Ryan. MINDFULNESS TRAINING Mr. Ryan. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I apologize for being late. I was in the Budget markup, and, as you know, that can be a marathon, and not a good one, if there is such a thing---- Mr. Frelinghuysen. You serve on the Budget Committee? Mr. Ryan. I do. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Our sympathies to you. Mr. Ryan. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Two topics, two questions. One is regarding mindfulness- based relapse prevention, which is an approach that the military is implementing. And I want to share with you a study that has just come out with regard to cognitive behavioral relapse prevention and mindfulness-based relapse prevention. Both techniques were shown to reduce substance abuse treatment. The cognitive behavioral relapse prevention went about 6 months and was still effective. The mindfulness-based relapse prevention went up to a year, to be found as extremely effective in reducing incidents and reducing drug-use days and heavy drinking. I think these are effective techniques. I have been researching them for a long time. I think they are something that we need to continue to promote within the military but also in the VA. And, coincidentally enough, Monday, I got a letter from a woman who said her husband is an E-5 in the Army, receives behavioral health treatments in the form of counseling, medication for depression, anxiety, PTSD symptoms, and sleep disturbances. Long story short, he couldn't get into the mindfulness-based relapse program, but then got into the program, and saw significant improvements, and a reduction in medication. And so I just want to encourage you to help push down throughout the bureaucracy of the military these types of techniques. They are working. It is not medication. It is not as easy to just put someone--as this--to put someone on a prescription to try to help them, when these other techniques are extremely effective in dealing with their brain chemistry, their nervous system, helping them become more aware of incidents. And it is a huge issue. And so I am asking you to please look into these mindfulness-based techniques. There is a mindfulness-based mental resiliency training that the Marines are doing on the front end to help build resiliency, which I think is as important for helping the men and women in our military to deal with this, but then, also, if they need the help, they can get this kind of treatment. And then, hopefully, you can work with us. We have an Armed Services Health Promotion Act, which is both the Defense side and the VA side, to push out further integrative health techniques. I think it is extremely important. It can save us a lot of money in the long run. It is not about medication. OBESITY AND DIABETES The other issue that I am very concerned about with the military is the issue of obesity. Fifty-nine percent of the Air Force personnel are classified as overweight. Seventeen percent of sailors are obese, while 62 percent are overweight. And you know as well as I do that being overweight and being obese leads to diabetes. We have one in four vets that are diabetic today. And I have been to different facilities, and I see the food. A lot of this is caused by the processed food that our men and women are eating. I am just thinking, if we can find certain issues as a committee, Democrats and Republicans, that we can agree on--diabetes is going to cost our country $245 billion. That is up from $174 billion just 4 or 5 years ago. And to think about--that is as a society, not in the military. But to think of a common-ground piece of legislation that we can work on with you. I know the NIH is doing a very big, comprehensive healthy communities initiative. I know there is a Healthy Base Initiative. But I think there needs to be a partnership and this needs to be accelerated. It is a great opportunity for us to come together on the front end to do prevention. So I know I took up a lot of time here, Mr. Chairman, and I don't necessarily have a question, other than, can you help us maybe piggyback on the NIH study and help us expand the Healthy Base Initiative program and, I think, drive down costs? You talk about the food, talk about mental health promotion, and all of the like. So take a shot at it in the minute that we have left, General, if you could, or---- General Horoho. Sir, you just hit my passion. And that is exactly what we have been doing over the last 2 years, is really moving towards improving health outcomes. And so we have seen, with the wellness centers that we have been rolling out, we have seen a 4 percent decrease in body mass index in 62 percent of those that have gone to the wellness centers. That is just one touchpoint as we partner with the Healthy Base Initiative that is occurring across the Department of Defense. But really looking at educating on nutrition, educating on the value of sleep, because that is tied to obesity and weight gain as well as other stress indicators, and then really looking at activity. And so our pilot programs that we have going on right now are also being done with the research study to evaluate not just health outcomes but also where we are having cost savings. Mr. Ryan. Well, I would like to work with you on the food piece, maybe on the ships and on the bases and what is even available. And then, in the wellness centers, I think these mindfulness-based techniques could be extremely helpful. And do you do that in the wellness--can you talk about that for 30 seconds? General Horoho. Yes, sir. That is part of--what we have integrated in our wellness centers, as well as what we are doing with our performance triad and in our patient-centered medical homes that are rolled out across, is alternative integrative medicine. We are using mindfulness, acupressure, acupuncture, cognitive therapy. And so we are looking at multiple tools that individuals can choose from to kind of help them improve and decrease their reliance on pharmaceuticals. And we have already seen a 50 percent decrease in our pharmaceuticals just out of our patient-centered medical homes that have this integrated approach. Mr. Ryan. Nice. Mr. Chairman, I know I mentioned to you about the armed forces bill---- Mr. Frelinghuysen. Yes. Mr. Ryan [continuing]. That takes both Defense and the VA. I think this is an opportunity for us to, you know, amplify what you are doing and talk a little bit about how we have this continuous coverage into the VA and drive down costs. I think there is a great opportunity here, Mr. Chairman. I look forward to working with you to make it happen. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Well, thank you, Mr. Ryan. I was alarmed by those Air Force figures, General. Can't have many wings up if we have that many people that are overweight. I am going to deny you a chance to have equal time. General Travis. I have no comment. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Good. General Travis. Yeah. Mr. Frelinghuysen. But Mr. Ryan is on his game. And we turn to the gentleman from Texas, who probably has more of our fine service men and women in his congressional district than any other, Judge Carter. ABOLISHING TRICARE Mr. Carter. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am going to ask you the question that I get asked constantly. It is the number-one question I get asked by privates and generals, active duty and retired. It is a tough question. As you look down the corridors of the future in medicine, military medicine, considering our rising debt and the rising cost of medical care, do you foresee a time in the future when TRICARE or TRICARE for Life or VA or all of the above medical care will be abolished or converted into such a manner that our active duty military and retired military and their families will be moved into the Affordable Care Act or Medicare or Medicaid or a combination of the above as a substitute or replacement for their current health care? Dr. Woodson. Thanks for that question. The short answer is ``no.'' The nuanced answer is that, of course, 65-year-and-older retirees use Medicare and TRICARE for Life, so they are in Medicare. I think that Congress and the American public want to always ensure that those that raise their right hand and promise to protect and defend get a robust benefit in terms of health. I do think, however, that as we go forward, collectively, we have to rationalize the program. So, right now, for a retiree, the American public pays for three different types of access to care. They pay for the TRICARE benefit, they pay for the direct care system, and they pay for the VA system. And so, at some point, I think we need to look at making sure that we ensure that they have care. Two of those are free now, at this time. But we are going to have to rationalize it a little bit to make sure that we can sustain it. But I don't see a draconian way of going to the Affordable Care--because, remember, that is a premium-based system anyway, and that is not what this benefit is all about. Mr. Carter. Anybody else want to answer? Admiral Nathan. Sir, we get that question a lot. One of the reasons that we have had an orbital improvement in combat casualty care is because of the organic, standalone Military Health System and the trained personnel who operate within it. We could never buy as many providers, nurses, technicians as we can train and cultivate in our own MHS system. And that includes the direct care system and partnerships with our academic--sometimes very pristine academic partners. In order to be able to maintain, train, and keep the skills currency to provide the kind of care that the American public has come to expect from the battlefield or from the sea or from the air, we have to continue to see and treat that patient population. Without these older patients, our training programs would go fallow. Many people ask, well, don't you just need combat trauma personnel for war? We do, but in order to provide for these, they must be integral to programs that have internal medicine, pediatrics and OB/GYN specialties. We run the full gamut of care in our facilities, not only to take care of our families and maintain family readiness, but also to field the kind of team that right now is, as General Travis mentioned, is a little bit tired, a little worn out, and getting ready to take a knee. These personnel are nonetheless the best and highest professionally, trained, quality medical force the country has seen. So we are greedy to hold on to that talent. Mr. Carter. And I understand those people who are currently serving, that I think the future is what they are worried about, when they are no longer currently serving in the military, they have retired from the military, but they feel like they have contracted for the future with TRICARE for Life and with Medicare. I do recognize Medicare---- Admiral Nathan. If we don't take care of the retired population in that age group, we can't train and maintain the critical mass of our graduate medical education training---- Mr. Carter. So I am waiting for the answer ``no.'' Admiral Nathan. The answer is, from my perspective--I think I speak for all of us--no. We will not---- Mr. Carter. Because that is the answer they want, and I am asking you to help me give it to them. Admiral Nathan. We are not going to disenfranchise that population. General Travis. I agree with ``no.'' ELECTRONIC HEALTH RECORDS Mr. Carter. Okay. Then I am going to tell them ``no.'' I have one more question, Mr. Chairman. I have been in Congress for 12 years, and in that 12-year period of time we have talked about the issue Mrs. Lowey raised, the communication between the DoD and VA. So I want to ask a question. In the effort to allow DoD and VA medical records systems to communicate, DoD and VA are now developing different systems and attempting to develop applications that will work between them. Has the DoD and VA considered, rather than focusing on the system themselves, focusing on the basic operating parameters, a database language? With a standard like this, DoD, VA, and any other applications running on the same standard would be able to easily communicate. This is a model used frequently in the private-sector software and platform development. Has that been considered? Dr. Woodson. So let me answer that. And, again, the short answer is ``yes.'' And, in fact, we have done a lot within 2013 to actually do that. One of the problems with electronic health records is, in fact, there wasn't common nomenclature and standards. And so we have been working with the Office of the National Coordinator to create and enforce those standards. So we made great progress in 2013 in mapping between DoD and VA the common terms and standards so that we can create interoperability. And we have deployed to nine sites where we are actively taking care of DoD and VA patients this new--well, this Joint Legacy Viewer to integrate the record. And I would be happy to show any of you a demo video of how this works. So the other thing we have done, we accomplished by the end of 2013, is we are no longer transferring paper--the service treatment record and paper to the VA, because we have an entirely electronic means of transferring those records. So it has been slow, but we made great progress in 2013. And in 2014 we are looking at the scaleability. So the answer is definitely ``yes.'' Mr. Frelinghuysen. Will the gentleman yield? Mr. Carter. Yes. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Is currently the Department of Defense and the VA using separate medical databases that can neither translate nor communicate their data in a functional way? Currently? Dr. Woodson. So we are mapping all of the---- Mr. Frelinghuysen. No, I understand. Are you using separate databases? Dr. Woodson. We are mapping all of the data to the health database. So the VA is mapping all of their data to our database at this time. Mr. Frelinghuysen. So you are, indeed, making some progress? Dr. Woodson. We are making progress. Mr. Frelinghuysen. We have invested so much money in this. I mean, the whole issue of raised expectations. One year we blame the VA; then the next year we blame the Department of Defense. I mean, you all, with wonderful, you know, records and dedication to country, must be enormously frustrated and to some extent embarrassed by this situation here. I mean, you don't have to--I can look at your responses, which are not recorded. But let me say we need to make some progress on this. Back to you, Judge Carter. UNDIAGNOSED DISEASES DATABASE Mr. Carter. Well, if I have time for one more question, this is kind of personal. NIH maintains the database of undiagnosed diseases. And you talked about some today that I have never heard of. I have legislation that would encourage them to open that database to third-party physicians to increase the catalog of symptoms and provide resources to the medical professionals who are trying to identify an unknown illness. Does DoD have any similar database? And is there a way you can think of that DoD might be able to contribute to this effort? We have an awful lot of mothers who have come to me and said, my baby is dying, there is bound to be somebody else with these symptoms, I sure would like to talk to them. Dr. Woodson. So, again, I think you are spot-on. And across the Federal space and to some extent in the civilian space, in the research community, we are opening these databases and contributing to the same databases to drive more effectively to answers to some of these desperate problems. Mr. Carter. So you are saying DoD would be associated with NIH's database? Dr. Woodson. Yes. And we already are, several right now. So, yes, absolutely. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Thank you, Judge Carter. Epitomizing patience, Ms. Kaptur. MENTAL HEALTH CARE FOR GUARD AND RESERVES Ms. Kaptur. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, very much. I could say the same of you. You have to listen to all of us. Thank you very much for your service to our country and for coming today. As with our other colleagues, Mrs. Lowey and Congressman Ryan and others, Congressman Womack, I have a deep interest in psychological behavioral health and human performance. Over the past several years, the Congress has added substantial resources for psychological health research and traumatic brain injury. And one observation I have of all of your testimonies is that, understanding the incredible role that the Guard and Reserve have played in our warfighting over the last decade, the absence of significant mention by each of you in your testimony is troubling to me. They are an understudied, most vulnerable, less supported subgroup within our military. And the first homework I am going to suggest is that you take a very close look at something called the Ohio Army National Guard Mental Health Initiative. Obviously, we each come from different places. I don't have a big base like Fort Hood, but I have soldiers that have fought nobly. And my questions--and I would like to make some further clarification for the record, but my questions really are: How are you managing the research, diagnosis, and treatment of the psychological health of our warriors and veteran population? Dr. Horoho, on page 8 of your testimony, you reference on August 2013 a national research action plan that the White House released, and you mentioned various entities of our Federal Government involved in that. And then, on page 21, you talk about suicides, and you used the words several times ``Active Duty,'' ``Active Duty,'' ``Active Duty.'' I am very, very concerned about what I see happening in Ohio. And my concerns may be misplaced. But for a number of years, we have been trying to help our returning soldiers. And we have developed a 3,000-person-minimum database with DNA samples and so forth. But what has happened inside the Department of Defense is unbelievable. In trying to help our Guard and Reserve, first we started out in something called the Military Operational Medicine Research Program. And, somehow, as the research progressed--and I believe it to be the only longitudinal study that I have seen in the country of what actually happens to these individuals on rotation out. They have been switched to something called the Warfighter Account. And I am really perplexed and not understanding the plan of the U.S. military for a comprehensive approach to diagnosis and treatment and long-term observation of these individuals and, also, invention of new methodologies to help them lead a more normal life. So I am asking each of you, can you explain to me what this shift in placement within DOD means? Is it more helpful to the Guard and Reserve or less helpful? And how do we embrace the Guard and Reserve across this country who did not return to a home base? And, over time, these behavioral issues continue to come up. Dr. Woodson. Thank you for the question and pointing out the concern. And I would say for the record that I think each of us is deeply appreciate of the Reserve component and that we pay attention to the Reserve component. And, in fact, in my opening statement, as I talked about the medical force, it is about understanding the balance in the Active and the Reserve components and what we need to do to reform policies and procedures to promote, protect, and support them. And I am a Reservist who has been mobilized many times, so I have felt it in many different ways. Now, to get to your point about support for psychological health, we have a number of activities--and I am sure the Surgeons General will elaborate--that looks at pre-deployment, post-deployment, and a series of follow-up examinations to ensure that we are capturing those that might have difficulties. We have invested with the VA in a longitudinal integrated mental health strategy to provide the best clinical practice guidelines and a warm handoff to the VA for those individuals who have psychological, traumatic brain, or other mental health issues. We have invested with the VA in tele-behavioral health so that we can extend our capability to Reserve components and folks who are remotely located. And we have invested, with the VA and the National Guard, in State coordinators to help arrange for the needs of the Reserve components. And then there are a number of other programs, like Yellow Ribbon and the like. So I will stop there, and I will let---- Ms. Kaptur. Dr. Woodson, could I just mention something here? We are having a separate fight over in the Veterans Committee of the House to work with our State veterans homes-- there are only two in Ohio, but many around the country--to allow empty wings to be used for some of these individuals. Guess what? The VA fights us every step of the way at the national level. The local people know it is needed. We have homeless vets all over the place. Can't get it together. We can't get it together. All of these roadblocks. And so people are under bridges, they are in jails, they are in all these horrendous conditions. And I am just making you aware, because maybe if you talk to the VA you can help them see a way forward. We are going to get through this, we are going to do this, we are going to provide decent shelter to these vets. But they need behavioral health care. General Horoho. Thank you, ma'am, for the opportunity to comment. And so, if I could go back to the first statement of not including or mentioning directly the Reserve and the National Guard, throughout my statement when I use the word ``Army'' or ``total Army family,'' that includes the Reserve component (RC) and the National Guard. And so I try---- Ms. Kaptur. When you say ``Active,'' you are including Guard and---- General Horoho. No. So that is what I want to explain. So that is in the first part, is talking about that. When I talk about the Active and the specific programs in there, we had a phased approach as we have looked at changes within the behavioral health community and looked at improving health. We started first with the Active component to see if the program worked. We are now in the phase of rolling that out within the Reserves and National Guard. So I would like to take a moment to talk about that, if that is okay. Okay? So the first part of that is we are actually, within the Reserves and the National Guard, now rolling out our performance triad. We have tested it in the Active component. We have now had agreement with the Reserves and the National Guard. They have given us three units each to be able to do pilot testing to see how this works. And so we are in the middle of rolling that out. We have also included them in--there is a myPRIME, which is an online computer database, where our Reserve and our National Guard can actually go online when they are having difficulties or challenges so that they can reconnect into the community and we can direct them to resources and help. We have now actually worked with the National Guard and the Reserves, and they have hired psychological health promotion officers so that every State has one, and then the Reserve units are having that. So that is then one dedicated individual that is looking at the psychological health for our Reserves and our National Guard and then being able to have consistent programs of the same that we have been trying to roll out across the Active component. We have also partnered with Give An Hour and the National Guard, and I went to the kickoff for that, where Give An Hour is actually providing psychological help to partner with the National Guard to help through tele-behavioral health. And so that has been rolling out across the National Guard States. We are also working with the Reserves and the National Guard in resiliency training. And they are part of our readiness and resilient campaign plan that has been rolled out across our Army. And so we are looking at all of those touchpoints, from the treatment aspect but, more importantly now, to the prevention and the long-term aspect of really providing the psychological health and the support. Ms. Kaptur. Well, could you explain to me, what does it mean, then, when the Ohio Guard is shifted from the Military Operational Medicine Research Program to the Warfighter Fund? What does that mean? General Horoho. If I can take that one for the record, because I don't have the right answer for you, but if I could take that, I will dig into it. Ms. Kaptur. I thank you very much for that. [The information follows:] Above all, Ohio Army National Guard (OHARNG) Mental Health Initiative remains fully funded under Joint Warfighter Medical Research Program (JWMRP). It was originally funded as a Congressional Special Interest project as part of Military Operational Medicine Research Program (MOMRP). As the OHARNG Mental Health Initiative progressed, it met the requirement for full funding through the JWMRP. Congress uses JWMRP funds to augment and accelerate high priority Department of Defense and Service medical requirements and to continue prior year initiatives that are close to achieving their objectives and yielding a benefit to military medicine. The OHARNG National Guard Mental Health Initiative met these requirements. HEALTH CARE FOR RESERVE COMPONENTS Ms. Kaptur. And I wanted to say also that some of the results of the work that has been done relate to the largest amount of DNA that has been collected in the country for individuals presenting with these conditions. That, in itself, is a valuable national resource. In addition to that, we have learned many things. We have learned, on enlistment, one of the top factors for those who ultimately develop these conditions is preexisting experience with violence, more than 10 episodes. And so it has an impact on recruitment and on trying to make soldiers resilient for whatever they might deal with in the future. There is a lot of information that has come from this. I don't get the sense that it necessarily bubbles up. And so I am appreciative of your taking a look at that. And I would be interested, for Air Force and Navy, if there is any information that you could give us today on what your branches are doing. Admiral Nathan. Yes, ma'am. One of our greatest challenges is trying to connect both the Reservists and the individual augmentee with continuity of care, especially that of psychological health from either traumatic brain injury (TBI) or post-traumatic stress (PTS). There are many programs out there, and many of them are joint. They can come from Military OneSource, and that is how people can find them. They often transcend the Army, the Air Force, the Navy programs. The challenge is getting the Reservist, who then leaves the fold, to remain engaged or understand what is available to them. We have a couple of mechanisms for doing that. One is the Returning Warrior Workshops. This is where Reservists come back, they deactivate, and then they are given per diem and transportation to go to a city where we hold symposiums for 2 days at no cost to them. We encourage the entire family to participate, or at least the spouse. They are given 2 days of psychological assessments, support groups, and mostly information on what is available to them online through the telephone, and through local Reserve centers, to get the care they need. It has been my experience that our biggest challenge is, when we go to the Reservists and they say, we are failing, our family is failing, we are not doing well, we are having issues. They don't know what help is available to them. So this is a mechanism, which has been highly successful and been highly praised by the Reservists, who said, this has armed me with what I need to know to follow up, even though I may be doing okay right now. But, as you know, one of the challenges is, 2 years from now or 3 years from now or 4 years from now, as people start having issues, how do they trigger help? We also have a program called FOCUS (Families Overcoming Under Stress) for activated Reservists and families as well as active component personnel. FOCUS provides myriad of services that are run out of our family services centers. Service members can come in, see counselors, they can be given materials, they can be given referrals. And then, to get to the larger question, is how do we--and this gets to the chairman's point of a connected medical record--how do we provide a warm handoff from the DoD system to the VA system so that somebody is not lost in the process? We are working very hard on trying to maintain databases now that we share with the VA. We are using lead coordinators for people who can--and Federal healthcare coordinators, who can not only watch the care as it is being given in our DoD system, but then they maintain the continuity of that patient, of that individual, as they leave our system and go to the VA system so that there is somebody who is aware of their existence in both systems. Ms. Kaptur. Well, it is very interesting, one of our local sheriffs--and I represent several counties. He is a veteran, a Vietnam veteran. And he said, you know, Congresswoman, he said, on every given day, I have a minimum of 6 percent of my inmates who are veterans. He said, we have learned something interesting in the jail. We say to them, are you a veteran? They say no. But if we ask, have you ever had any military service? It is just so interesting how we work with people so that we are able to help them and we can unlock whatever is blocking sometimes their own ability to get care. I would just place that on the record. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Okay. Ms. Kaptur. And we have one more reply, Mr. Chairman---- General Travis. I will keep it brief. I know we are running short on time. Mr. Frelinghuysen. We are going to be here until I get a few answers, so---- General Travis. Okay. Admiral Nathan's comments, I would mimic those. But I would also tell you that, for the Air Force, and we are a total Air Force. You know, the Guard and the Reserves actually have established some of their own programs that are very good. There is a Wingman Toolkit the Reserve Command--I think it is the Reserve Command--has put out, where you text ``WGTK'' to a number, and there is an app that will show up on your phone or a website that shows up on your phone. It is very accessible, works very well. The Guard has wingman.org. On the active duty side, those of us who have more assets, mental health assets, at our disposal, we actually have made a point in our lay-down of the extra uniformed mental health providers that we are laying in as a result of NDAA section 714 between now and 2016--it started in 2012. We influenced our lay-down of our mental health providers to bases where they could become reach-back for what the Guard has now established as directors of psychological health at each of their wings. And so we have influenced where we put these, I wouldn't call them extra assets, but the assets that were mandated by law to make sure we were providing the reach-back support to Guard units which may be more remote. And, of course, I don't think we have quite the burden of PTS in our Reserve forces as does the Army, but we recognize that there is a gap, and we are trying to address that gap. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Thank you, General. Thank you, Ms. Kaptur. Ms. Kaptur. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. ELECTRONIC HEALTH RECORD Mr. Frelinghuysen. We have been, as a committee, concerned about connection and continuity and the warm hand since 2008. So I have a few questions to Dr. Woodson. What is the medical database that the Department of Defense uses now? Dr. Woodson. The electronic health record is AHLTA. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Which stands, I may add, for Armed Forces Health Longitudinal Technology Application. I am not sure what that tells us, but it is certainly a mouthful. It is not a acronym that I can remember. How does that system work? Dr. Woodson. It is based on a series of databases that archive and redistribute information. And, of course, we have a worldwide network, so it is about archiving and redistributing the information---- Mr. Frelinghuysen. Well, tell me if I am wrong. In February of last year, both departments, the Department of Veterans Affairs and the Department of Defense, announced, instead of building one integrated health record, they would continue with their separate systems. Is that accurate? Dr. Woodson. No, not quite. What I think the statement was, instead of trying to build de novo a single record, what was going to happen is that the Department of Defense was going to do a competitive solicitation and acquisition of an updated electronic health record and the VA was going to modernize their VistA system. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Well, there is a feeling that there are two systems here, and it seems that maybe the systems are sort of competing to subsume the other. Am I correct? Dr. Woodson. I don't--it is a good question, but I don't-- -- Mr. Frelinghuysen. It is a good question. We---- Dr. Woodson. I don't see that that way. One way to look at this is that, again--I think I made this point some time ago--that if we were to ask everybody to hold up their cell phone, we would have a variety of different cell phones, but we could all text each other, call each other, and mail each other. We could work documents and then send them to our fellows. Electronic records are like those platforms, and the barrier to sending information and developing that interoperability has to do with the standardized way of handling the data. And so---- Mr. Frelinghuysen. What we would call a common language, right? A dictionary, right? Dr. Woodson. Yeah, exactly. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Why has it taken us since 2008 to come up with this common thread here? Dr. Woodson. So, this is a national problem. It is not---- Mr. Frelinghuysen. Well, it is not a national problem. It is a national tragedy that this has taken so long here. There is no partisan divide here. Dr. Woodson. Yeah. And as I mentioned before, we have gone a long way between the Departments of Veterans Affairs and Defense last year to map a lot of that data. But one of the things that I think the committee should know is that the majority of our interfaces are with the private sector. So 70 percent of our dollars---- Mr. Frelinghuysen. Well, actually, the private sector might offer up some, you know, competition to some of the systems that you are employing yourself. They might have some ideas that might ease up the symbiosis of whatever we are talking about here. Dr. Woodson. And so I think you are exactly right, and that is exactly why we took the tack of looking into the commercial market. The issue is that, as I mentioned before, we are working with the Office of the National Coordinator to push the---- Mr. Frelinghuysen. The office of the who? Dr. Woodson. National Coordinator. Mr. Frelinghuysen. National Coordinator of what? Dr. Woodson. That is through HHS. They are the ones who set the standards. Mr. Frelinghuysen. So we are going with HHS. Have we always used HHS? Dr. Woodson. HHS sets the standards relative to this. Mr. Frelinghuysen. So they set the standards for the language? Dr. Woodson. For meaningful use of electronic health records. Mr. Frelinghuysen. And so, we didn't tap them before this? Dr. Woodson. We have been working with them. The issue is that it has really been since 2009 that this has really become a national focus to develop---- Mr. Frelinghuysen. It has been a focus of this committee, regardless of who runs the committee. And, you know, this is pretty disappointing. This has real-life consequences here. And since we are the Appropriations Committee, what is the estimated cost of your new records system? I won't ask what the VA is doing to update theirs, but what is the cost of your new system here? Dr. Woodson. I think to acquire and fully implement the record, the lifecycle cost is going to be around--and this, you would have to ask Mr. Kendall, because he is really in charge of---- Mr. Frelinghuysen. Well, I am asking you if you have a ballpark figure. Dr. Woodson. It is about $11 billion. Mr. Frelinghuysen. $11 billion. This is just for you. Dr. Woodson. Yeah. Mr. Frelinghuysen. And this is the tail, like we would say, for aircraft, or, you know, a ship that has a tail. Dr. Woodson. Right. This is the lifecycle. Mr. Frelinghuysen. So maybe we can focus on targets. The target date for the initial operating capability is the first quarter fiscal year 2017 and the full operating capacity, fiscal year 2023 practical. What do you feel is the realistic timetable for this year? Dr. Woodson. So we have already put out two RFPs and so that process is going along very well. We intend to begin fielding capability last quarter of 2016. Mr. Frelinghuysen. So what happens if the parties you are dealing with here, there is a protest here? Dr. Woodson. Well, that is a possibility. Mr. Frelinghuysen. There is a possibility. Dr. Woodson. Yeah. Mr. Frelinghuysen. I just, you know, I think it is enormously frustrating. It makes us angry that we have made these investments here. I don't know who has clean hands, but we have an issue of expectations that we might be able to get across the finish line here. This is way beyond the claims backup that the VA has. This is pretty damn important. What sort of level of assurance can you give here that we can meet these deadlines? That is a lot of money. Dr. Woodson. Yeah. It is a lot of money. I feel more confident today than clearly even last year, that we will meet those deadlines because the acquisition process is going along, and more importantly, what we have learned from the commercial market about what is out there is encouraging. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Well, the commercial market has been out there for quite a long time. I know there is a tendency, and I am respectful, but in reality, sometimes we don't take a look at things that are off the shelf. We try to be inventive on communication systems. God only knows the amount of money we have invested in communicating. I won't say which Service is the worst, but coming with communication systems. But this is pretty important. Mr. Visclosky. ELECTRONIC MEDICAL RECORDS Mr. Visclosky. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And I do have a number of questions and I realize you may have additional ones and Mr. Womack. So I would ask for some brevity. I have got all day, but I think other people do not. I would associate myself, first of all, with the remarks of the chair. On more than one instance, as a Member of Congress, I have referenced World War II. We fought and won a world war in 4 years. We are talking about interoperability of medical records from 2008 to 2017, and I am appalled. And I just would hope that going forward there is a sense of urgency and that if something isn't done by Friday, that people don't have the attitude, we will get to it on Monday. I just can't believe that given the wealth of talent and knowledge we have in the United States of America, that it would take a minimum of 9 years to make medical records interoperable. So I would just associate myself with everything the chairman said and hope that people going forward have a sense of urgency. TRICARE FEES I would like to return to the issue of TRICARE and as I said in my opening statement, I realize just the demographics, if you would, and the math involved both on a civilian and military side are driving a significant budget problem. But I also, in my opening remarks, mentioned equity. And I understand that currently active duty members in TRICARE Prime or TRICARE Prime Remote have no copays as long as they follow Prime rules requiring consultation with a primary care manager, to access specialty care or to use the medical treatment facility network. It appears a new plan would treat active duty families as somewhat differently if they do not reside near or have access to a medical treatment facility or if their medical treatment facility does not have a capacity, for example, pediatrics. These families don't have control over their assignments. Will they--how will DoD address the issue of equity based on availability and assignment? Dr. Woodson. So, as the plan is rolled out, we recognize, again, that there will be some individuals who may pay more because of location. We looked at it, and as I mentioned before, we looked at the numbers as it affected the junior enlisted, and I won't repeat that. On average, their out-of- pocket costs will rise from about 1.4 percent to 3.3 percent, an average of about $244 a year. Now, that is an average, and I understand that there may be some folks that need to consume more health care, and if they are in a remote area, it could introduce a larger burden. And the issue is that when you look at the, again, the numbers, particularly for junior enlisted, the impact appears to be small because most of them should be near an MTF and could get free care there. But let me give you an example of--so it is pretty clear. So, for example, young enlisted, they utilize less care but they do use, let's say, OB services. And let's say there is a family that is not near an MTF. The way the system would work is that all preventative care is free. What would happen is that if they needed--they were having a child on the economy, because the payments are bundled, they would be responsible for the one-time admission fee and so the difference between delivering in an MTF, and let's say in the--on the economy, would be $60 to $80 depending on the geographic area you are in. So, in short, yes, there are some families that might experience elevated costs. I would say, as a final comment, that that is why we have catastrophic caps so a family could utilize $1.5 million of care, and they--their only financial liability would be $1,500 under the proposal. EFFECTIVE UTILIZATION OF MTFS Mr. Visclosky. There have been efforts to increase the use of military treatment facilities on the theory you have facilities you want to maximize your utilization and decrease care received from private providers, so that was emphasized last year. Is that still an emphasis in the Services, and is that consolidation, if you would, of services in medical treatment facilities continuing? Dr. Woodson. I will let the Surgeons General respond, but the answer is yes, that we do need to protect and utilize our military treatment facilities effectively. The financial arrangements under the proposal emphasize lowest cost when they use the military treatment facilities. So there is an incentive to use the military treatment facilities. But I will let the-- -- Mr. Visclosky. If I could, I don't want to be rude but I really do have other questions. I am assuming from your answer that it is still an emphasis. Dr. Woodson. Absolutely. AUDITABILITY Mr. Visclosky. Okay. And just a statement, when the Secretary of Defense was in, and I think it is because I majored in accounting, I do hope that the 2017 goal of auditability is reached, and apparently, that is still on track, and obviously, medical services have a role to play, and I would encourage you on that. Dr. Woodson. Yes. FOREIGN MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS Mr. Visclosky. On manning of the medical force, and Mr. Owens had a question, and you mentioned that for some of the specialties and occupations, it is hard to recruit and there was an emphasis on those in rural areas, which, again, I think would probably mirror some of the problems the civilian population has. But the Department of Defense had a report that reviewed procedures for accessing non-U.S. citizens with skills vital to National Defense, and among them were pharmacists, psychologists, and nurses. There are not enough U.S. citizens being treated that can be encouraged to participate, do you know? It is not your report. It is a Department-wide report, but some of the skill sets they were talking about accessing noncitizens, were nursing, pharmacy, and psychology. Is that a problem for you in getting enough citizens? Dr. Woodson. Again, I will let the Surgeons General respond, but in general, we know that the American medical system has been augmented by foreign medical graduates, and that has been in place for some time. Mr. Visclosky. Half of the physicians in my district are foreign born. I understand that. Dr. Woodson. So that is going to be a persisting issue. Mr. Visclosky. Okay, I will defer for the moment, Mr. Chair. Mr. Frelinghuysen. That means he may have more questions. Mr. Womack. MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES Mr. Womack. Thank you. I have got a couple of items in my binder that I need to get to, and I apologize up front if you have covered these in any depth at all. I know we have talked about mental health access for servicemembers. But particularly to kind of drill down on the separating servicemember, the person who has got some kind of mental health therapy going on but is separating the Service, and that potential for a disconnect between when they leave and when they pick up treatment once again, what are we doing to ensure that we don't have a break in services? Because I know, that if these servicemembers have even a short break between treatment and therapy it could manifest itself in a very tragic way. So help me understand what we are doing to ensure that we can keep them consistent in their treatment programs. I will flip a coin if you would like. General Horoho. I will start out first. Sir, part of what we are doing is, first is making sure that we keep our servicemembers going through their treatment to the point where they really are ready to transfer. So we are not transferring them out before their behavioral health therapy is done. We have 80 percent of those that are diagnosed with PTSD actually remaining on active duty. So we are talking about that 20 percent. So those 20 percent that have a diagnosis, that go through the disability system, we focus on care coordination, to a warm handoff to the VA. We also coordinate with the care coordinators that they have nationally, where they oversee the personnel and so making sure that there is a warm handoff that is there, and then if they are going back into a Reserve unit, National Guard, or Reserve, then there is that warm handoff from the behavior health providers to the providers in those units. Mr. Womack. In the interest of time, Admiral Nathan, General Travis, is your program similar in that there would not be a transition until the servicemember is ready? Admiral Nathan. That is correct, sir. In all of our facilities, and any patient who has a significant issue is generally followed by a case manager. That assigned case manager also works with VA liaison personnel. The challenge, to be honest, and this is opening the wound the chairman was talking about, is that often, we can get the individual to the VA, but when they get there sometimes, it is not easy for the VA to see what has happened unless they bring their paper record. As Dr. Woodson alluded to, we are working on trying to increase the interoperability of the medical record so that there won't be that lag in clinical understanding, but that is still a challenge for us. General Travis. I have nothing to add, sir. CONCUSSIVE INJURIES Mr. Womack. Okay. Last month, the Journal of Head Trauma Rehabilitation suggested that a blast, an IED blast, as an example, can affect a soldier, even if he doesn't have manifesting symptoms right away. This means that veterans may go quite a while before they have some kind of an issue like a PTSD or depression. What are we doing to reach out to these veterans and some of these occurred well before we got better at this game. So back in the early part of the new millennium, when the war was first starting, so are we going back and reconnecting and drilling down on those particular members? Admiral Nathan. I will take a stab. This is, I think, a fairly good news story. We are not ready to hang the ``mission accomplished'' sign up yet, but we now treat concussions and blast injuries in a radically different way than we did at the start of the war. Number one, you are entered into a concussion registry so that we can follow you longitudinally and maintain, just as we do in trauma and cancer. In addition, when you sustain a blast injury or any hallmarks of a concussion, you are pulled out of the battle. You are pulled out of the busy system. This is onscene in theatre Camp Leatherneck in Afghanistan our concussion restoration care center, treats mild to moderate to severe concussion, you are now pulled out and sent to Camp Leatherneck and given reactive tests until you are deemed ready to return to duty. This protocol has been so successful it has been transferred now to sports, both college and high school. So I think, to answer your question, sir, a patient who sustains a concussion today or in the recent years is going to be followed via a good registry. We will be able to document. The individual will be able to go to the VA and with documentation to show the affliction. Prior to the war, we weren't likely doing that complete a job area. General Horoho. And, sir, if I could just make one quick comment. Eighty-five percent of our concussions are actually attributed to garrison, either, you know, injury, car accidents and sports and those types of things. So we learned from the protocol that we had a joint protocol in theater. We have now standardized that across the garrison footprint, and then we are actually putting those individuals into the registry as well. Mr. Womack. I am sure it would be safe to say that society has benefitted from the tragedy of having some of those head trauma happening in our conflicts over the last decade plus. Finally, General Horoho, I mentioned in my first round, Brendan Marrocco. SERGEANT BRENDAN MARROCCO General Horoho. Thank you, sir, for the opportunity to be able to continue to tell his story. He is actually doing well. He is still at Walter Reed right now. He has actually been fitted with two prosthetic legs. His brother, who was giving 24/7, you know, support, now doesn't have to do that because he is able to do more himself. Both of his transplanted arms are actually functioning, and probably I think the best way to say how this has made an impact is that when the National Anthem was being sung, he himself realized in the middle of it that he had his hand on his heart. So, to me, if that doesn't strike to why it is important that we preserve our military healthcare capabilities, support research, and keep that warfighter mentality and that spirit, I don't know anything else that does. So thank you, sir. Mr. Womack. It is an amazing story. And I am just so very, very thankful for the things that we have been able to do, and credit goes to a lot to the leadership espoused by the people sitting at this table today. And Mr. Chairman, I truly appreciate their service. DEFENSE HEALTH AGENCY Mr. Frelinghuysen. I echo your comments and relative to the issue of research, we get visited by many who support the congressionally directed medical research program, and they perform, I think, very well, some innovative things. They do things that are highly risky but obviously substantiated before they initiate them. The Services, the three of you, as Surgeons General, are currently responsible, and I mentioned that you have intimate knowledge of these investments. However, there is a transition, isn't there, to moving some of that responsibility over to the Defense Health Agency? Isn't that true? That occurred in October of last year. So tell me what the Defense Health Agency does. It is the policy maker for the military healthcare system, but are they going to substitute their judgment for your individual and collective judgment? What is the working relationship by the creation of this new agency? Or are you the three pillars of that agency? Or is there somebody else that is---- Admiral Nathan. If you ask us, we are the three pillars of the agency. Mr. Frelinghuysen. I am not going to mention anybody else's name, although I am aware of other names. Admiral Nathan. As a user of the system and as a member of the club, Mr. Chairman, the Defense Health Agency is designed to shoulder some of the services that we provide, ranging from facilities, acquisition, logistics, pharmacy, information management. Mr. Frelinghuysen. I mean, they are involved in the, dare I mention it, the electronic medical records, too, or are they separate from that? Admiral Nathan. They are involved in a very big way in that. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Okay. Admiral Nathan. Because it is an example of something that should be standardized and useful across all of the Services. We in the Services have some very capable but yet redundant and sometimes working at cross purposes. We are fans of trying to standardize those, remove redundancies, create efficiencies, and allow those to be provided to us and guided to us in the same way the Defense Logistics Agency does for logistical support of the three Services. So we look at them, or I guess I speak for myself, and perhaps the others, I look at it as an organization that is going to support me in my requirements. I have requirements for information management, pharmacy and others. I have requirements in order to execute my mission. I look to the Defense Health Agency to support me in those requirements. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Well, I have confidence in all three of you, and I am not sure I need to have you all respond, but I just, if we look to the future, sometimes at some point in time after so many years of dedicated service, you may not be on the scene. You may be replaced by equally able men and women. There is a tendency sometimes for people to migrate, agencies to migrate and sort of subsume, you know, your traditional, your traditional remarkable roles, and I just sort of thought I would raise the question. You are giving me a level of assurance at least for this generation of leadership, that that is not going to happen. Anything further, Mr. Visclosky? INVESTING AND MAINTAINING MEDICAL PERSONNEL Mr. Visclosky. Chairman, two lines of question if I could. One, talking about having been at war for nearly 13 years, could you explain any investments you think we need to make today to ensure that the skills and knowledge that have been gained at a great price, are, if you would, institutionalized and remain in place? Do you have any current state of manning problems as far as some of your specialties or units? Do you need incentive programs or other intangibles to make sure that some of that medical force personnel maintains that readiness you have today? And then I have one more question. But just, how do we keep that energy and expertise that has been purchased at such a high price? How do we maintain them? Do we have a role here as far as any program you are concerned about? General Horoho. Thank you, sir, if I have the opportunity, and I am sure my colleagues would like to comment as well. I think it is, first, vital that we recognize that our military treatment facilities are our readiness platforms and that it is not the same as, say, civilian healthcare. We have got to make sure that we are investing in the infrastructure, the capabilities, and the programs that allow our graduate medical education programs to remain at the tip of the readiness spear on how we attract, I think, some of the best and brightest scientists across our Nation and healthcare providers. I think that is important. They are the platforms that allow us to maintain that combat capability and knowledge that we had on the battlefield. We have got to be able to take care of our retirees, which is the complex care that allows us to maintain some of the skill sustainment. I think it is important that we continue to invest in technology so that we can use all of the capabilities that are emerging out there for skill sustainment and then look at those partnerships within the civilian community where we need to. Mr. Visclosky. Okay. General Travis. I had a brief comment, sir, if you don't mind. Mr. Visclosky. Sure. General Travis. I would echo everything Patty said, but I would also add, with the budget pressures we have had in the last couple of years, research dollars are sometimes the first to go. That, and facility sustainment, restoration, modernization. And on the other hand, and you say, gosh, you know, it makes sense if we are just trying to provide good care. But to really take advantage of all of the data that we have been able to collect in this war, thanks to the trauma registry, and a lot of our experience, you really do now have to use the research dollars to mine that data, to really get the lessons out of that data because we have been collecting it. We continue to collect it, but that research has to continue for years to really understand what you have collected and to learn the lessons. We are doing something on Air Evac, saying, what is the timing of really getting people back? Can you move them too fast? We are going to learn a lot by mining the data. But I would just tell you that protecting research dollars is just so important. Patty mentioned it. I would echo it. Mr. Visclosky. Is there a specific line item that would be related to that observation as far as research? Because obviously, there are a lot of research dollars being spent. General Travis. I think we could all probably come up with some line items. WOMEN IN COMBAT Mr. Visclosky. Final issue is with the increased participation of women in the military, and particularly more active combat roles, if you would, are there any medical developments as far as women who have been deployed in areas of combat that have evolved and changed? And also, are there positions that may have been closed to women in medical services that are being opened now? General Horoho. I can start, sir. We stood up a Women's Health Task Force over 2 years ago getting feedback from a sensing session, over 200 women from all Services in Afghanistan, and we took their feedback. It is now a tri- Service and we included the VA in this task force. It has led to changes in body armor. It has led to educational changes in the predeployment, deployment, and redeployment, changes in behavior health, how we actually manage and provide a little difference in the way that we support our women versus our men because the experience is different. It is coming out with actually some tests where for urinary tract infection and other female types of illnesses, so that they don't have to go to a provider. They can actually do self test and get the medication in theater because that was one of the concerns. And then it came out with a urinary device that has already been deployed, based on comments that came in the field. So I think we have stood up a women's health service line, so that we standardize and really look at the care to women across every aspect of the provision of care. And then lastly, there is work going on with the Natick Labs that is looking at not just females, but what is the standard for men and women to participate in any one of our military occupational specialties so that we have a common standard that is there. Mr. Visclosky. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Thank you. Let me just add another point. You know, often the focus is half of the people that are homeless on the street every night are veterans, and often the assumption is that it is men, but in reality, some of those are women. So I don't mean to put a point on this issue of electronic medical records, but in reality, we need this relationship to come together sooner rather than later. But on behalf of the entire committee, I want to thank you all for your military service and for representing the best of America, those men and women in uniform, and many in civilian capacity who have served our country as well. We are enormously proud. Your job is, you know, so important, and we know you do it well. We are proud of you. We stand adjourned. [Clerk's note.--Questions submitted by Mr. Cole and the answers thereto follow:] Integrated Disability Evaluation System Question. With the majority of the troops being soldiers, How many troops have proceed through IDES, what is your goal for servicemember to process through the system and have you improved on your goal of 295 days for getting servicemembers through? What funding is included in the FY15 budget request for IDES and what will it be used for? Answer. From the inception of the IDES in 2007, through the end of February 2014, the Army has completed 46,758 cases, with 38,586 from the Active Force, 2,976 from the Army Reserves, and 5,196 from the Army National Guard. Although it took Active Component Soldiers an average of 402 days to complete the IDES process in February 2014, this is an improvement over the 433 day average in February 2013. Approximately 20% of cases were completed within the 295 day standard. Significant progress has been made in the medical evaluation board phase over this past year. The Medical Command (MEDCOM) established the IDES Service Line (SL) which centrally standardized processes across the command by developing a comprehensive IDES Guidebook, streamlined case processing, increased collaboration at the Military Treatment Facility level, and established MEB remote operating centers to increase capacity and address the RC Case backlog, while creating scalable solutions for surges in IDES referrals. As a result, MEDCOM was able to reduce the number of days spent in the MEB phase from 168 days in November 2012 to 86 days in February 2014--a reduction of over 80 days. Currently both the Army and VA are meeting the medical evaluation standards of 100 days for Active Component and 140 days for Reserve Component Soldiers in over 80% of cases; a significant improvement from 40% in November, 2012. The Army continues to partner with VA to resolve the surplus of cases waiting for rating determinations, but the Army fully expects to meet the 295 day goal for all Active Component cases and 305 day goal for Reserve Component cases by 2Q of FY 2015. The Army's total IDES funding request for FY 15 is $144.2M. MEDCOM's portion is $131M and the Army Human Resource Command (AHRC) portion is $13.2 M. The MEDCOM budget request funds for personnel costs; OCONUS IDES travel for Soldiers overseas who travel to CONUS for the process; and supplies and equipment. The AHRC budget request funds personnel costs, travel of Temporarily Retired Soldiers for Temporary Disability Retirement List re-evaluations, IT application support, supplies and equipment. Tricare Question. Only about 40 percent of civilian mental health providers take these patients compared with 67 percent of primary doctors and 77 percent of specialty patients. With a decade of deployments, even in the best of circumstances there will be a demand for mental health care. With the impact deployments have had on servicemember's families and those that have served, how do you plan to work with providers to ensure the benefit is available to those that need it? Answer. For the Military Treatment Facility (MTF) direct care system, the Services have robust staffing models, including the Psychological Health Risk-Adjusted Model for Staffing (PHRAMS), which was developed as a tool for the Services to define the appropriate number and mix of mental health personnel to meet the needs of Service members, retirees, and their families. PHRAMS enables the Services to make adjustments in planning assumptions to meet the mental health demand of individual beneficiary communities. Additionally, the Department's staffing of behavioral health providers (psychologists, social workers, and psychiatric and mental health nurse practitioners) in the Patient Centered Medical Homes in the MTFs will allow beneficiaries to access mental health services in the primary care, where they most often go to seek care. In the purchased care system, TRICARE has implemented many initiatives to ensure psychological services meet current and anticipated demand for our Service members, retirees and their families. TRICARE, through the Managed Care Support Contractors (MCSCs), has established networks of civilian providers world-wide and has flexibility in expanding or changing the composition of the network in response to changes in MTF capability and capacity. Ongoing efforts by the MCSCs to ensure provider availability include: monitoring of mental health network adequacy; on-line invitation and education for clinicians on becoming a TRICARE provider; local initiatives to outreach to mental health providers to build the network when shortages are identified; and quality monitoring and reporting of claims processing times as measured against benchmarks, which demonstrate that TRICARE is a timely payer and therefore an attractive network to join. The Department also works with professional organizations to increase awareness of the TRICARE benefit. For example, the Department met with representatives from the American Psychological Association on March 27, 2014 to discuss strategies to increase civilian psychologist awareness of and participation in TRICARE. Additionally, increasing familiarity and competence when working with military beneficiaries, DoD and the Department of Veterans Affairs have jointly developed and disseminated four online training modules on military culture with free continuing education credit (available at http://www.deploymentpsych.org/online-courses). The release of these modules will increase VA, TRICARE-network, and non-network provider knowledge about military ethos and its impact on psychological health and treatment. The Department has also developed criteria for licensed mental health counselors to practice as independent mental health providers under TR1CARE, and the anticipated publication of these criteria in the Federal Register will positively impact the pool of available mental health providers under TRICARE in the years to come. Finally, the Senate Armed Services Committee (SASC), via the National Defense Authorization Act for 2014 (Title V, Subtitle C, ``Mental health counselors for service members, veterans, and their families'') Committee Report, has directed the Secretary of Defense and the Secretary of Veterans Affairs to provide a joint report that describes a coordinated, unified plan to ensure adequate mental health counseling resources to address the long-term needs of all members of the armed forces, veterans, and their families. As part of this request, the Department is conducting a formal review of current mental health staffing and resources against future demand. This report will be submitted to Congress in September of 2014. Question. How can you prevent a decrease in the number of private medical providers who accept TRICARE? What specialists are least likely to accept TRICARE and what plans are in place to fix this gap in care? Answer. Like most civilian health insurance plans, the Department of Defense has experienced limited gaps in children's subspecialists, certain select medical subspecialists, and certain mental health services (Residential Treatment Centers, Partial Hospitalization, etc.). When sufficient providers cannot be recruited to join the TRICARE network, the TRICARE contractors ensure access to these services by coordinating with and authorizing reimbursement to non- network providers when necessary to ensure care is routinely available. TRICARE has multiple contract vehicles and tools (such as locality- based waivers) to ensure access to both primary and specialty care. The Department maintains civilian provider networks in Prime Service Areas (PSAs) under the TRICARE Prime Program around active military installations and former Base Realignment and Closure sites. Our regional TRICARE contract partners ensure sufficient numbers of primary care and specialty network providers to meet the needs of the beneficiaries living in each PSA. The contracts include specific network adequacy requirements. If needed services are not available in the network, the Managed Care Support Contracts (MCSCs) must find a non-network provider to provide the required services. The network is developed based on population, eligible beneficiaries, need/demand and claims data. To ensure network remains adequate, the MCSC is required to monitor the network, provide performance reports and corrective action reports in the event there is an indication of any network concerns. In non-PSAs, Congressionally mandated civilian provider surveys show 8 out of every 10 civilian physicians accept new TRICARE patients if they are accepting any new patients. Beneficiaries who are not enrolled in TRICARE Prime can seek services from any TRICARE authorized provider. Each of the regional contractor websites' has a look-up tool where beneficiaries can locate non-network providers that have treated TRICARE beneficiaries in the past. Drug Policies Question. What is being done to ensure that medications given and prescriptions written in theater are being adequately recorded in a servicemember's medical file? Answer. We have developed an interface between the Pharmacy Data Transaction Service (PPTS) and the Theater Medical Data store (TMDS) to receive ambulatory prescription information on Service members in theater via a weekly data feed. The DoD Pharmacy Data Transaction Service (PDTS) is a centralized data repository that records information about prescriptions filled worldwide for Department of Defense (DoD) beneficiaries through Medical Treatment Facilities (MTFs), TRICARE Retail Network Pharmacies and the TRICARE Mail Order Pharmacy. The PDTS integrates theater prescription data into the medication profile of each Service member, which also contains prescription information from Military Treatment Facilities, Retail pharmacies, the DoD Mail Order program, and VA pharmacies. On April 17, 2012, PDTS began capturing weekly files from the TMDS for prescriptions that were dispensed in theater. As of April 6, 2014, PDTS has captured over 1.3 million theater prescriptions, which includes historical prescriptions dating back to April 2011. This enhanced interface capability, 1) enhanced patient safety by including theater prescription data into the PDTS Prospective Drug Utilization Review (i.e. Drug-Drug interaction checks) processes and, 2) improved visibility and reporting of medications that are dispensed in theater. Question. What is being done to ensure that all prescriptions, from both Military Treatment Facilities and private sector care physicians, are being tracked? What do you need in terms of authority to implement a Drug-Take Back program? Answer. The DoD Pharmacy Data Transaction Service (PDTS) is a centralized data repository that records information about prescriptions filled worldwide for Department of Defense (DoD) beneficiaries through Medical Treatment Facilities (MTFs), TRICARE Retail Network Pharmacies and the TRICARE Mail Order Pharmacy. PDTS has processed over 2.1 billion transactions since it was fully implemented in 2001. The PDTS conducts on-line, real-time prospective drug utilization review (clinical screening) against a patient's complete medication history for each new or refilled prescription before it is dispensed to the patient. The clinical screenings identify potential patient safety or quality issues such as potential adverse reaction between two or more prescriptions, duplicate prescriptions, therapeutic overlaps and other alerts which can be immediately addressed to ensure the patient receives safe, quality care. In addition to the over 100 million prescriptions processed real time in FY2013 through retail, mail and MTF pharmacies, the PDTS also captures member submitted claims (paper claims) for reimbursement, claims from the VA for dual eligible members via information sharing processes, as well as Theater prescription data from weekly feeds from the theater medical data repository since April 2012. The DoD has been closely working with the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) on the Disposal of Controlled Substances rule. Recently, DEA informed DoD that they will update their proposed rule that will allow DoD hospitals/clinics with a pharmacy on site to receive ``collector'' status, with authorization to conduct drug take back programs. The DoD will establish policy and coordinate it Service-wide for implementation of a prescription medication take-back program after publication of the DEA final rule. [Clerk's note.--End of questions submitted by Mr. Cole. Questions submitted by Mr. Aderholt and the answers thereto follow:] Cost Sharing Fees Question. During the hearing, a question was raised that it appears that the Cost Sharing fees have been split between the ranks of ``E-4 and below'' and ``E-5 and above.'' It is concerning that an E-5 would pay the same cost share as an 0-6, when the difference in base-pay salaries between the two ranks is around $7,000 per month when you factor in typical service years. Can you elaborate on how the Department plans to rectify this situation? Answer. TRICARE currently differentiates some of its cost shares by this same break--E-4 and below, E-5 and above. The PB 2015 proposal continues that practice. TRICARE Participation Fees Question. TRICARE Participation Fees for military retirees are inflated annually based on the cost of living adjustment percentage. Recently, there has been much discussion about ``freezing'' the COLA increases for military retirement pay. Would the department oppose ``freezing'' the TRICARE Participation Fee for retirees, if the COLA increases for retirement pay become ``frozen?'' Answer. The Department's proposed legislation ties the TRICARE Participation fee to the Cost of Living Adjustment (COLA) percentage increase. If COLA was to be ``frozen,'' the Participation fee would be also. [Clerk's note.--End of questions submitted by Mr. Aderholt. Questions submitted by Mr. Visclosky and the answers thereto follow:] Joint Lab Working Group Question. Dr. Woodson, in January 2013, TRICARE discontinued coverage of over 100 laboratory developed tests (LDTs) when performed by providers outside the Military Treatment Facility (MTF) system. This change in coverage came amidst efforts to reduce Defense Health Care costs by encouraging TRICARE beneficiaries to use MTFs. The result, however, was a sweeping lack of coverage for basic, non-invasive laboratory tests that allow early diagnosis and monitoring of acute and chronic illnesses, including Cystic Fibrosis and certain cancers. While beneficiaries retain coverage for such LDT5 at MTF5, TRICARE no longer covers these same tests when conducted by civilian providers. Obviously, this places TRICARE beneficiaries who do not live near MTFs at a distinct disadvantage. They must decide between the price of travel to the nearest MTF and the price of the routine LDT at their local civilian provider. Regardless of the situation, they must pay for their care. Dr. Woodson, I understand that a ``Joint Lab Working Group'' is considering this issue, and that some LDT5 have been reinstated for coverage. What further progress has the working group made with regards to restoring these laboratory tests to TRICARE beneficiaries? Answer. In January 2013, new Current Procedural Terminology (CPT) codes were adopted. These codes provided payers, including the DoD, greater transparency on specific LDTs that (1) have not been approved or cleared by the Food and Drug Administration, and/or (2) failed to meet TRICARE criteria for coverage (e.g., demand genetic testing that is not medically necessary and does not assist in the medical management of the patient). Consistent with these changes in CPT coding, those LDTs moved to the government's ``no-pay'' list, could not legally be reimbursed by TRICARE. It came to TRICARE Management Activity's (TMA now DHA) attention that some of the lab tests on the no-pay list were FDA cleared and met coverage criteria in certain circumstances. As a result TMA updated the no-pay list and removed those tests. For the LDT Demonstration Project, the Lab Joint Working Group (LJWG) met in March and reviewed a significant number of LTDs. The LJWG prioritized a list of LDTs and systematically evaluated them for safety, efficacy, and clinical indications. Many of the LDTs assessed are being ordered by providers at military treatment facilities. A significant number of the LDTs reviewed were recommended for coverage. Those LDTs approved will be covered under the demonstration. Question. If the working group determines these LDTs will permanently drop from TRICARE coverage, how will TRICARE compare to the coverage offered by other government healthcare or commercial health insurance plans with regards to LDTs? Answer. Under the demonstration project, the Lab Joint Working Group has reviewed a significant number of LDTs for safety, efficacy, and clinical indications. The Working Group will review coverage polices of other government healthcare and commercial health insurance plans for comparison purposes. Question. Will this working group conduct analysis on how many TRICARE beneficiaries will be forced to travel distances of greater than 50 miles in order to have these LDTs performed at the nearest MTF? Answer. Those LDTs approved under the demonstration will be available to beneficiaries and providers in the purchased care network. As a result, beneficiaries will not have to travel to MTFs to have LDTs done. Tests can be ordered by the beneficiary's physician and obtained through locally available resources. [Clerk's note.--End of questions submitted by Mr. Visclosky.] Thursday, April 3, 2014. FY 2015 NATIONAL GUARD AND ARMY RESERVE WITNESSES GENERAL FRANK J. GRASS, CHIEF, NATIONAL GUARD BUREAU MAJOR GENERAL JUDD H. LYONS, ACTING DIRECTOR, ARMY NATIONAL GUARD LIEUTENANT GENERAL STANLEY E. CLARKE, III, DIRECTOR AIR NATIONAL GUARD LTG JEFFREY W. TALLEY, CHIEF OF THE U.S. ARMY RESERVE Opening Statement of Chairman Frelinghuysen Mr. Frelinghuysen. The meeting will come to order. This afternoon the committee holds a hearing on National Guard and Army Reserve readiness. We will focus primarily on near-term readiness issues related to personnel, training, equipment, modernization, reset, and the effects of fiscal constraints on readiness. The committee is very concerned about the readiness of the National Guard and U.S. Army Reserve following over a dozen years of war. Your soldiers and airmen have performed magnificently in Iraq and continue to perform with distinction in Afghanistan and, may I say, have done multiple deployments, and we recognize that. And they have done incredible work throughout the world. And we also recognize the sacrifice of their families and, may I say, your families. We are pleased to welcome four distinguished general officers as witnesses: General Frank J. Grass is the chief of the National Guard Bureau, a permanent member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, represents more than 460,000 citizen-soldiers and airmen in the Army and Air National Guard. General Grass has appeared before this subcommittee in his capacity as chief on several occasions. So special welcome to you again, General Grass. Lieutenant General Stanley E. ``Sid'' Clarke, III, is the director of the Air National Guard. This is General Clarke's second year to testify before the committee. General, we appreciate the experience and expertise that you bring to this hearing. Major General Judd Lyons is the acting director of the Army National Guard. This is General Lyons' first year to testify before the committee. We welcome you, General Lyons. And, finally, we are pleased to welcome the Chief of Staff of the Army Reserve, Lieutenant General Jeffrey W. Talley. He, too, has previously testified before the committee. Gentlemen, all of you are welcome. We are eager to hear your testimony, which will assist the committee to better determine the needs of Guardsmen and Reservists, whether at home stationed or deployed around the world. The subcommittee, with the benefit of your testimony, will gain a better understanding of the material needs of the services. Additionally, at the request of the Army, the Secretary of Defense recently approved a plan for the Army aviation restructure. This plan, billed as a Total Army solution, appears not to have considered Reserve component alternatives as a solution, thus leaving the Army Guard with no attack helicopters. This initiative appears to be driven by financial constraints on the part of the Army. We will seek further clarification and clarity regarding this initiative. Still, given limited resources, this committee will continue to do everything possible to ensure adequate funding for the equipment, modernization, and readiness for both your homeland and wartime missions. Generals, we look forward to your testimony. But, first, I would like to yield some time to the ranking member, Mr. Visclosky, for any comments he may wish to make. Mr. Visclosky. Chairman, I appreciate you holding the hearing. And, gentlemen, await your testimony. Thank you very much for your preparation and your participation. Mr. Frelinghuysen. General Grass, good afternoon. Summary Statement of General Grass General Grass. Good afternoon, Chairman, Ranking Member Visclosky, members of the committee. It is an honor and privilege to be here today. And before I start, I would just like to ask that we all continue to keep in our thoughts and prayers the Fort Hood community, who suffered the tragic loss yesterday. With that, I have with me today General Clarke and General Lyons. They will go into more detail. I will try to stay at the strategic level, but they have great detail about the Army and Air Guard today. They are great wingmen here with me. The National Guard does three things very well. We fight our Nation's wars, defend the homeland, and build enduring partnerships, both overseas and at home with the Army and Air Force. The National Guard is accessible, ready, and capable and, I might add, it provides a significant value to the taxpayers. None of this is possible without the support we have received from this committee and our parent services. The investments made in the National Guard as an operational force have served the Nation well over the past 12-plus years. Also, the support we have received in the form of the National Guard and Reserve equipment account has been invaluable. Today, the uncertain fiscal environment we face is impacting the Guard. Congress provided some relief with the Bipartisan Budget Act, but the Army National Guard fiscal year 2015 budget is projected to decrease by 7 percent from fiscal year 2014 levels. This reduction degrades readiness of the operational force, which General Lyons will address in more detail. With the return of spending limits in fiscal year 2016 and beyond, the Budget Control Act will further impact the National Guard. This will diminish Army and Air National Guard combat power as a result of our inability to sufficiently train, modernize, and recapitalize our force. We also face the prospect of a reduction in the Army National Guard end strength to 315,000 by 2019. This is below the minimum-level risk, and it places at risk the Defense Strategic Guidance. Also very concerned about the future of Army and Army National Guard rotary wing aviation. I agree with the Total Army that the divestiture of the TH-67 training aircraft and the OH-58 Scout helicopter is required to meet future funding levels and a viable rotary wing fleet for the future. However, I do not agree with the proposal to take all of the Apaches out of the National Guard. We have provided an alternative solution that would transfer about 40 percent of the Apaches from the Army National Guard to the active component while retaining sufficient Apaches to maintain six attack battalions in the National Guard. This provides strategic reversibility and maximizes cost- effectiveness with our combat-tested attack aviation capability that exists today in the Army National Guard. Our alternative plan affects just the Apache, and our assessment is that it still achieves most of the savings needed under the aviation restructure initiative introduced by the Army. I would like to end by stating at the very heart of the National Guard is our most important resource, our people. The well-being of the soldiers, airmen, their families, and their employers remains the top priority for every leader throughout the Guard. We will continue to aggressively work to eliminate sexual assault and suicides across the force and maintain faith with our people, the very same people who have put their faith in us. In summary, our national security demands the capacity and capability that the National Guard provides both at home and overseas. At one-third the cost of active component servicemembers during peacetime, the National Guard is a hedge against uncertainty in this turbulent security and fiscal environment. Today's unprecedented National Guard readiness posture offers options to preserve both capability and capacity rather than choose between them. Chairman, thank you for the opportunity to appear before you today, and I look forward to your questions. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Thank you, General Grass. [The written statement of General Grass follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Summary Statement of General Clarke Mr. Frelinghuysen. Lieutenant General Clarke, welcome. General Clarke. Thank you, sir. Chairman, Ranking Member, Committee Members, appreciate the opportunity to address you. And I am honored to be a representative of the 106,000 Air National Guard members across the Nation. Last year when I appeared, I acted like I knew what I was doing as far as the director of the Air National Guard, but I had only been on the job for about two weeks. So I only told you what I thought from field experience I had and previous experiences. But in that time, over the last 12 months, I have gained a greater appreciation for the people we have out there. All of us should be really impressed with the generation that is coming behind us. Remarkable individuals, highly resilient, very passionate about wearing this uniform. It makes my job easy when I get out there and visit the units, get an opportunity to talk to them, get a sense of what they think about their service. As long as the American people keep patting them on the back and shaking their hands in airports and things like that, you are going to have a tremendous force coming forward. I also wanted to let you know, over the last year, as a part of the Total Force, working with General Welsh and Secretary James, what an outstanding partnership we have. Clearly, there is nothing that is off the table as far as discussions with the leadership--senior leadership of the Air Force. They have been very forthcoming, very engaging, a lot of collaboration, and we continue to focus on things as a total force and not as individual components out there. So they are looking for best solutions, best ideas, and it has just been a wonderful experience over the last year working with both of them. And, of course, Secretary James just started 3 months ago, but I have to tell you she hit the ground running. She is doing a great job. Mr. Frelinghuysen. She sure is. Excuse me for interrupting. General Clarke. Yes, sir. So, with that, I also want to tell you the partnership extends in many places, and I wanted to extend our appreciation for the National Guard and Reserve Equipment Account accounts that General Grass was talking about. The flexibility, the speed of which we have done some modifications and everything, have brought us up to a capability that we never had before. So I wanted to express my appreciation for that, with the NGREA funds that we received. And, also, I just wanted to conclude with we really do have a balanced strategy going forward with the opportunity to look at ourselves as a first choice for homeland operations. We look at ourselves as a proven choice for warfighting operations, and we look at ourselves as an enduring choice for security cooperation. It is a wonderful team to be a part of. Thank you for the opportunity to appear before you. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Thank you, General Clarke. [The written statement of General Clarke follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Summary Statement of General Lyons General Lyons. Chairman Frelinghuysen, Ranking Member Visclosky, distinguished members of the subcommittee, I am honored to appear before you today. I represent more than 354,000 soldiers in the Army National Guard. Let me start out by echoing Secretary Hagel, General Grass, and many other senior leaders in saying that our thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and families that are affected by the terrible tragedy at Fort Hood yesterday. We are all one Army family, and we all grieve this morning at the losses we have suffered. Every member of the Army National Guard can look back over the last 13 years with a shared sense of pride, accomplishment, and sacrifice. Since September 11, 2001, we have mobilized soldiers more than 525,000 times. As part of our Total Army, Guard units have performed every assigned mission, from counterinsurgency operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, to maintaining the peace in Kosovo and the Sinai. Our soldiers have repeatedly heard from the most senior leaders in the Army that they are indistinguishable from their active Army counterparts. Furthermore, Guard soldiers have forged lasting relationships with 74 nations, and they have deployed alongside these partners to Iraq and Afghanistan nearly 90 times in the past decade. At home, our Guardsmen and -women continue to answer the call whenever and wherever they are needed, as the responses to Hurricane Sandy, the tornado in Moore, Oklahoma, the record- setting wildfires in California, devastating floods in Colorado, and, most recently, the mudslides in Washington State all attest. Thanks to the firm and committed support of Congress and the Army over the past 13 years, our Army National Guard has transformed from a strategic reserve to an operational force. It is a force that is manned, trained, and equipped to serve where and when America needs us. It is a force with experienced leaders who are ready. Given the current global climate, there can be little doubt that the Guard is more important than ever. Now, I have had the distinct privilege of serving in the Army National Guard for over 34 years both in the enlisted and the officer ranks, and I have witnessed this positive shift to an operational force firsthand. I have gained perspective on the Federal and State missions that the Guard performs while deployed abroad and during emergencies here in the United States. So if I could summarize my testimony today, it would be this. We must be very careful to ensure that we preserve the operational force that we have built. The Army National Guard provides our country with flexible military capability and capacity that cannot be easily replaced once it is gone. The fiscal year 2015 budget submission required hard choices and has significant impact in personnel and our operations and maintenance funding. The base budget request for these two accounts is just under $1 billion below what was appropriated for fiscal year 2014. So this will require the Army Guard to accept risk in fiscal year 2015. Our brigade combat teams will be limited to achieving individual-, crew-, and squad-level proficiency in their training, and their personnel will have fewer opportunities to attend schools and special training. Our depot-level overhaul of our trucks will be deferred, and our armories, which average 44 years in age, will lack funding for repairs beyond those that will ensure health and safety. However, as General Grass notes, this reduction pales in comparison to what will be required when Budget Control Act levels of funding return in fiscal year 2016. With committed citizen-soldiers in our formations, the Army National Guard presents tremendous value to our Nation and to the communities where we live, work, and serve. The last decade-plus of war has demonstrated our strength as a combat-tested, ready operational force, a role that, with your support, we will proudly continue to perform for the Army and for our Nation. I appreciate the opportunity to be here today, and I look forward to your questions. Mr. Frelinghuysen. General Lyons, thank you for your testimony. [The written statement of General Lyons follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Summary Statement of General Talley Mr. Frelinghuysen. General Talley. General Talley. Chairman Frelinghuysen, Ranking Member Visclosky, distinguished members of the subcommittee, thank you very much for the opportunity to appear before you today. It is an honor to represent America's Army Reserve, a life-saving and life-sustaining Federal force for the Nation. I would like to begin by thanking the committee for your steadfast support that you have provided to all the members of our Armed Forces and their families. Since 9/11, more than 275,000 Army Reserve soldiers have been mobilized. And as you are aware, I have provided the committee a 10- page statement that outlines the capabilities and challenges that the Army Reserve has and some specific ways that this committee and the Congress can assist in keeping us viable and strong in service to others. Therefore, I would like to use the few minutes that I have now to share some real stories and experiences to you about your Army Reserve. On 9 November 2013, a typhoon struck the Republic of Philippines. The Army Reserve has almost 4,000 soldiers permanently assigned to the Pacific. Most of those are organized under the 9th Mission Support Command, a one-star general officer command commanded by Brigadier General John Caldwell, a proud resident of the great State of Tennessee and a huge Tennessee Volunteer fan. I got a call the same day from John and General Brooks-- Vince Brooks commands U.S. Army Pacific--about the crisis and the need for immediate assistance relief for the Philippines. I authorized and supported the immediate use of one of my logistics support vessels, an LSV-7, stationed in Hawaii, to provide mission relief for an active-duty vessel and, within 48 hours, I had 13 crew members, traditional Reservists from 11 different units, on active duty, preparing to set sail. The LSV-7 sailed over 1,225 nautical miles and transported 230 pieces of equipment. That is 1,660 long tons with four lifts to transport equipment and Strykers to the 25th Infantry Division from the big island to Oahu. I also called to active duty Brigadier General Gary Beard, an Army Reserve individual mobilization augmentee, who immediately left for the Philippines to assist in leading coordination on the ground in support of PACOM. We conducted many more missions, but this illustrates the ability of the Army Reserve to act immediately. We are the only component of the three components in the Army that is also a single command. I am not only the chief for the Army Reserve, I have the privilege of being the commanding general for the Army Reserve Command. I exercise that command authority every day in service to requirements at home and abroad. On 29 October 2012, Superstorm Sandy hit the East Coast, resulting in an immediate need for assistance in New York and New Jersey. I authorized to active duty the same day our emergency preparedness liaison officers. We call them EPLOs. EPLOs are embedded in the Federal Emergency Management Agency, FEMA, and they provide direct linkage to the Department of Defense for support in times of crisis. The Army Reserve provides the Army 100 percent of its EPLOs and 50 percent of all the EPLOs within the Department of Defense. Requirements for military assistance were quickly identified. Within 24 hours, I had alerted multiple Army Reserve units to be prepared to go on active duty to assist their fellow citizens. When Sandy hit New York, I had multiple units on active duty and en route to the East Coast. Specifically, I had three logistics pumps and dewatering units that eventually located at Breezy Point, where they executed significant dewatering and relief missions to the residents and others in need. In addition, I had two Chinook helicopter teams activated to provide immediate support to Joint Task Force headquarters that the National Guard had established. These are just some of the examples how the Army Reserve immediately reached out to assist and support our Americans in need during a complex catastrophe. As the commanding general of the Army Reserve Command, I have the authority to order immediate help when and where it is needed to assist our first responders, our police, and our firefighters, and our State force, our great 54 Army and Air National Guards. In the case of Sandy, I ordered troops to active duty via annual training for 29 days initially. And that gave us time to convert those orders to 12304(a) mobilizations authorized under the National Defense Act of 2012, with specific requirements being asked for by General Jacoby, the commander of NORTHCOM. The Army Reserve routinely provides this type of support to the various States within United States in their need. My last story is a short one about an Army Reserve family, the Henscheids, Don and Janet Henscheid. Like so many military families, they love their country and they are proud to have their most precious resource, which are our sons and daughters, serve in the military. But what makes Don and Janet extra special, in my personal opinion, is the fact that they had three boys serve in combat, Iraq and Afghanistan, as Army Reserve soldiers. Their names were Landon, Cody, and a son-in-law named Jacob. All three became wounded warriors. The wounds and experiences of war were very severe to each of these three men. In fact, they were so severe that they would no longer be able to do what they wanted most, to continue to serve as a soldier in America's Army. The many months of multiple surgeries and treatments, physical and mental, took a tough toll on the family, especially when they found out that Landon, who had finally recovered from his war wounds, had developed cancer. Eventually, Landon died. As Cody and Jacob continued to struggle with their own wounds and grieving associated with losing Landon, my wife and I got to know this family very well. In fact, my wife visited them every single week at Walter Reed during these many months. But this story has a happy ending. Normally, what I would see in similar circumstances is you end up with a family that hates the military and resents America. But not here. Don and Janet and that whole family appreciated the tremendous support that the Army Reserve and the whole Army family gave them under this most difficult situation. Their courage, their commitment to our Army, and to the Nation make my contributions and those of so many others pale in comparison. Don and Janet represented to me the very best of what it means to be Americans. I will certainly miss Landon, especially our talks in the hospital room about my Jeep J10 pickup truck and Duck Dynasty, which he liked a lot. But he taught me, an old soldier, a lot about giving and about dying. In closing, the Army Reserve is a community-based force of almost 220,000 soldiers and civilians living and operating in all 54 States and Territories and in 30 countries. As a component and a single command, we are embedded in every Army Service Component Command and every Combatant Command, and we currently have almost 20,000 soldiers serving around the globe, with over 6,000 still fighting in Afghanistan. We provide a unique linkage to America's industry and private sector, as most of our troops work in a technical career in the civilian sector that directly correlate to what they do in the Army Reserve as enablers. I own most of the lawyers, the doctors, the nurses, the full-spectrum engineering, civil affairs, logisticians for the Total Army. And like all of our Reserve components, we have de facto become part of the operating force. In fact, the Army Reserve has unique capabilities that are not found in any other service or any other component, especially as it relates to the opening and closing of our theaters. A life-sustaining and life-supporting force, we provide almost 20 percent of the Total Army Force structure for 5.8 percent of the budget. I think that is great return on the investment. I ask for your continued support for all of our services and components as we keep America strong and prosperous. I look forward to your questions. Army Strong. [The written statement of General Talley follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Mr. Frelinghuysen. General Talley and gentlemen, thank you all for your testimony. On behalf of the committee, we extend our sympathy to the Army family. A horrific situation to think that it has been repeated twice at Fort Hood. We are mindful of that, and we hold those who have lost loved ones and were injured in that horrible situation--we hold them close to our hearts. And please extend to your brothers and sisters at Fort Hood and the citizens of Texas our strong feelings. Absent from our gathering today is Judge John Carter, who represents perhaps the largest mass of heroes of those who serve in the Army. He would be here. And I know that our thoughts and prayers are with him as well. And to all of you, the men and women who represent a remarkable number of deployments, we don't forget that part of the force is in Afghanistan today. And part of our committee is looking at, you know, what the exit strategy is. There is still people serving over there. You are part of that team, and you, too, want the best for that country. But we obviously need to make sure that--not only that their needs are served and that they are well protected, but that, as they come home, their needs are focused on and their needs are met. We had, coincidentally--and thank you, General Talley, for putting a human face on the level of sacrifice. We had the surgeon generals in from the Air Force, the Army, and Navy yesterday. And I think we emphasized to them, and would do to you, that we will do anything we can to make sure that those who have suffered physical wounds--I think the number was 1,600 that have suffered amputations, and well over, I think, 450,000 have suffered a variety of physical wounds, goodness knows, a lot of mental wounds, post-traumatic stress, TBI--that we don't forget the obligation. But thank you very much, all of you, for your testimony. And now it is my special pleasure to recognize the chairman of the--well, I will recognize him even if he doesn't want to speak at the moment, the arrival of the big chairman, Chairman Hal Rogers from Kentucky. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Rogers. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Let me yield the floor to--I get to say one of your own, the gentleman from Arkansas, Congressman Womack. ARMY NATIONAL GUARD AVIATION Mr. Womack. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And my thanks to the gentlemen for their great service to our country. It is noteworthy what our Guard and Reserve components have done in prosecuting the war on terror and for the great service they have extended our country long before our country was ever a country. So it is a great deal of respect that I have for these folks. And it will not surprise any Member, any of my colleagues on this panel, that I am going to go directly to attack aviation because it is a concern of mine, and I think it is shared by many of the members on this panel. And just a couple of really quick questions out of the box for General Grass. Before deploying, Guard aviation units are certified by their active-duty counterparts to be proficient at the same standard their active-duty counterparts have to be before deploying in the theater. Correct? General Grass. Congressman, that is correct. Mr. Womack. Did any National Guard units alerted for duty, mobilized for duty, ever not deploy? General Grass. We had one that was off-ramped just about a year ago. Mr. Womack. Was it a training issue? Was it a certification issue? General Grass. No, Congressman. It was a reduction in force. Mr. Womack. Reduction in force. Can you tell me if any of our National Guard, Apache units particularly, ever performed poorly in theater? General Grass. No, Congressman. And I was just there last week and I talked to some of our active-duty counterparts that our Apache pilots worked for, and they said they were truly up to the task--of any task. Mr. Womack. General, it is logical to conclude that the Guard units, Reserve component units, bring a lot of value to the structure of our Army in that these are not, for the most part, full-time soldiers. They are men and women who have other jobs and are able to manage that delicate balance between job, between family, and between their military duties to serve their country in a very honorable way. So is it not logical to assume that we can train, equip, man, and even deploy National Guard and Reserve component units for a fraction of the cost of what we do with our active component folks, trying not to necessarily divide us or become divisive in this discussion, but just to prove a point? General Grass. Congressman, as we alert a unit, there is additional training required, and that is because of the number of days that we train PREMOB. So there is always tasks to be accomplished. And we save about one-third the cost in peacetime. But it is all about time to deploy, time to train up and deploy, and, also, then what tasks you want that soldier to do. And they are going to do the same training and certification that an active unit will do before they deploy. Mr. Womack. So back to my original thesis that the decision in the aviation restructure program that the Army has advanced and that we drilled down on with Secretary McHugh and General Odierno that--I have concerns that taking all of the attack aviation out of the National Guard for budgetary purposes and putting it in the active component is--I think it is a flawed proposal because it robs the National Guard of any of the strategic depth that the Army would have in the event that all of its assets were committed. So you offered an alternative--or you talked about this in your opening statement, but you offered an alternative proposal. Can you elaborate just briefly on it. General Grass. Yes. Congressman, I looked across the board. We have 8 attack battalions today with 24 helicopters, mostly modernized Delta models. Mr. Womack. Modernized as a result of the generosity of this committee. General Grass. Yes, sir. Mr. Womack. Sorry to interrupt. General Grass. And we had mostly Alpha models, outdated and pre-9/11. And so we deployed those Alpha models a certain number of times either at the battalion or company level. And then there was a period about the mid-2000s where the policy decision was made not to send Alpha models any longer and convert to Delta. We converted to the Delta models, which we have today. We deployed 12 battalions in 5 company-level deployments. We were ready to do more. But now we have those modern aircraft with experienced pilots with--you know, battalion may have 12,000 combat hours in it today. Our other concern and why we put this proposal together was, when people come off of active duty--when pilots come off of active duty today, we won't even be able to capture that, you know, over $800,000 to get a pilot into the cockpit--so we feel that that is a great opportunity in the future--and retain, as you said, sir, you know, that strategic hedge there, that strategic capability, that is not easily replaced. Mr. Womack. I will come back when I have my next round of questions. I know I am out of time right now. But, again, my thanks to the panel for being here today and their great service to our country. Mr. Chairman, I yield back. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Chairman Rogers. Remarks of Chairman Rogers Mr. Rogers. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you very much. I apologize for being late, but we were marking up another bill just now. Gentlemen, thank you for being with us today. Thank you for your service to your country. In this fast-changing world in which we live, there is no question that those who serve under the flag are doing so in a very critical period of our history. As we have seen a nation's sovereign power come under siege in Ukraine over the past several weeks, tragedy, unfortunately, once again hitting at Fort Hood, Texas, we are constantly reminded that our country, our freedom, and our way of life are not to be taken for granted. There must be vigilance, and you are providing that. I, therefore, want to associate my remarks with those of my colleagues in recognition of the fine service, dedication, sacrifice of the men and women that you represent here today, including yourselves. The soldiers and airmen of the Guard and Reserve have time and again answered the call to serve in some of the most difficult conditions domestically and abroad. And as this subcommittee has done in the past, we stand ready to try to provide you with the tools, the training, the equipment, and whatever support is necessary to carry out your vital security mission. There is going to be some changes to the structure of the force as we transition in this new post-war time. The question we hope to answer in this committee is: Is the Department of Defense being strategic, efficient, and properly aligning funding to mission requirements and results? That is the question. Undoubtedly, DoD is still reeling from the impacts of sequestration. And the choices that we must make to fund our military within the Murray-Ryan budget caps are difficult. For this reason, I am eager to hear your plans as you strike the delicate balance between readiness, force structure, and modernization during these difficult budgetary times. Mr. Chairman, if I may ask a couple of questions, especially--are you having trouble hearing me? Mr. Frelinghuysen. A little bit. You have two mikes now to double the trouble. COUNTER-DRUG PROGRAM Mr. Rogers. You are probably better off not hearing me. In my home State of Kentucky, we have an incredible drug problem, as I guess most of the country does. And since 1998, the Kentucky National Guard has been an instrumental partner to our State and local law enforcement units in the fight against illicit drugs and transnational threats. Its joint support operations task force has eradicated 13 million marijuana plants and seized over 76 bulk pounds of marijuana, 4,500 illegal weapons, to the tune of $25 billion. I fear that, as certain people in this country continue to spew falsities about the dangers of marijuana, demand is only going to increase. That is why the National Guard's counter- drug program and its military-unique support is now, I think, more important than ever. General Grass, the fiscal year 2015 budget request was greatly reduced from the fiscal year 2014 level from $200 million down to $89.5 million. What is being done to ensure that this program continues to be adequately funded? I have flown on some of those raids in the choppers, and it is an amazing heroic act that these Guardsmen are doing, rappelling down in terrain that can't be accessed any other way, cutting the marijuana, and being lifted back up with a big net sack back into the chopper and dangling as they fly across country to a place where it can be disposed of. This is hard work. It is great training. But I need to know where you are coming from. General Grass. Chairman Rogers, I will ask General Clarke and General Lyons to talk about the resources versus how we are going to prioritize against readiness and modernization here in a few minutes. Let me talk about--and I will answer your question on the counter-drugs, sir. One of the problems we have experienced, close to 50 percent of our counter-drug money has disappeared in the last 3 years. And thanks to the Congress, money is added back in each year. The problem that the States are dealing with is trying to build a long-term program in hiring, you know, the Guardsmen and -women that do this mission across the States, trying to get some stability, so that, you know, we can give them a career path for this work they are doing for us. But when you only get a portion of your budget each year to start the year, it makes it very difficult, that we end up having to basically lay off people and hire them back later in the year. So it has created huge disruptions. Not only that, we now are under instructions for next year to close down our five counter-drug schools, which have been so productive across the map. But, you know, tough choices are being made in those accounts. And I know that every State has talked to me. The adjutants general and the governors are very concerned about this, but Department of Defense, with their budget coming down, had to make some tough choices. Mr. Rogers. Well, to reduce that account from $200 million to $89.5 million in one year doesn't match the ratio of other spending cuts in other parts of the budget. This one took a disproportionate hit. How come? General Grass. Sir, the other issue that we are dealing with--and it deals with the southwest border mission. That mission, which the Guard's been involved with for probably 3, 4 years now, every year there is money set aside for those four States, and we are running close to 200 soldiers and airmen that support that mission. But that money has to come out of defense's hide every year. And we have been working to try to pass that mission back to Department of Homeland Security. So that money has to come out of our defense budget as well. Mr. Rogers. I am not sure I followed you on that. General Grass. The four States was an add-on mission about 3 years ago, sir, and it just tapped. It came on top of a budget that was already declining. The intent was for us to help train up agents along the border and then step back from the mission. Mr. Rogers. In Kentucky, as the Guard transitions from the OH-58 helicopter to the UH-72, I understand that the cost per flight hour will increase by over 100 percent. That will reduce flight hours for marijuana-spotting by 40 percent, even with good luck in getting the budget back. What can we do to mitigate that dramatic reduction in surveillance and eradication of marijuana? General Lyons. Chairman Rogers, as you mentioned about the change in the platform from the OH-58 Delta, which would be removed under the aviation restructure initiative to the UH-72, I would like to take for the record the cost per flight hour, sir, because I want to give you an accurate response on that. The airframe itself, the UH-72 helicopter, is suited for domestic missions. It is configured for those missions. The cost per flight hour is greater. But I want to get you the answer on what that Delta is. So if that is okay, I would like to take that for the record. [The information follows:] For the UH-72, the reimbursable rate cost per flight hour is $2,527. For the OH-58A/C, the reimbursable rate cost per flight hour is $1,165. Note: The intra-Army cost factor rate does not include Contractor Logistical Support, which is a major cost driver for the UH-72. For this reason, we are using the Department of Defense reimbursable rate instead. But that is a fact of the aviation restructure initiative, which will remove all of the OH-58 Deltas, Charlies, and Alphas from the Army National Guard. We agree with that aspect of the ARI. There are cost avoidances that come with that plan in reducing the number of airframes, but that does have the effect of placing that particular mission that you are talking about into a new platform. CLOSE AIR SUPPORT Mr. Rogers. General Grass, will these five regional training centers just be simply closed and locked and that mission done away with? General Grass. Chairman, that is the plan right now, that we have been directed to close them. Mr. Rogers. Has there been discussion about transferring it maybe to another agency to operate? General Grass. Not that I am aware of yet, but I am sure that will come up. Mr. Rogers. You don't sound very upset about this. General Grass. Chairman, I visit them. They are outstanding facilities. In fact, there is many of our local jurisdictions, whether it is hometown America or a county police force, that will not receive training without those facilities. We provide, basically, the logistics and the administration of a facility, and then local law enforcement and--they come in and train there. Mr. Rogers. How much money would it take to keep them going? General Grass. Chairman, if I could take that for the record, I will bring it back for you. I will get the breakdown for you. [The information follows:] The Counterdrug Training Centers (TC) have historically been funded at $25M ($5M per TC) through the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Counternarcotics and Global Threats' Central Transfer Account. The $4.9M appropriated in FY 14 was intended as funding to close the TCs. Mr. Rogers. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Moran. IMPACT OF PHASING OUT THE A-10 Mr. Moran. Thanks very much, Mr. Chairman. I have two areas of inquiry. The first is probably best addressed to Lieutenant General Clarke. But it involves the Warthog and its retirement in this budget. It used to be the primary close air support aircraft, but we find that the Air Force has determined that it is not survivable in current or future conflicts. And then, in fact, 80 percent of close air support in the Afghan war was provided by other platforms. So of the 343, the intent is to retire 283 of them over-- virtually the vast majority of them over the next 5 years. That is going to save--$4.2 billion is, again, the estimate in the budget. What happens to the personnel that have been assigned to the A-10? Are they separated from service? Do they go to other missions? What happens to them, General? General Clarke. Sir, I can speak on behalf of the Air National Guard, and then I will give you my suspicion of what will happen with the regular Air Force airmen. For the Air National Guard, wherever we were losing an A-10 mission, we were picking up a different mission that the Air Force had assigned to four different locations where we had the airplane. For the regular Air Force airmen, I would think, in their ability to retrain and put people against other requirements that they have, which they have plenty, they will find another job somewhere in the Air Force. Mr. Moran. Well, okay. But the Air National Guard has been using them. I mean, it is a relevant question, is it not, to the Air National Guard? General Clarke. With regard to where the airmen are going? Mr. Moran. The impact of phasing out the A-10. General Clarke. Yes, sir. REDUCTION IN CIVILIAN PERSONNEL Mr. Moran. Yes. Let me ask the question here, Mr. Chairman. And this goes to the civilian workforce. And the reason I am asking is because it turns out that a great many Reservists also serve their country as civilian employees at the Department of Defense. Now, in last year's defense authorization, there was a cut of 5 percent. In other words, the civilian workforce has to be cut by the same amount as the uniform workforce. It was dubbed the McCain cut thing. In addition, now, we have got a suggestion. And, in fact, our very good friends, Mr. Calvert and Ms. Granger, have suggested that we cut the civilian workforce by another 10 percent. So it is basically a 15 percent cut. Now, what I want to know is: What would be the impact on Reservists? And do you think that is going to have to be picked up by more contract personnel? Because that is actually where the most significant increase in personnel has come, is the contract workforce, more than uniform and civilian. But what would be the impact on the Guard and Reserve, particularly the Reserve, if we were to have a requirement of as much as a 15 percent reduction in civilian personnel over the next 5 years? General Clarke. Congressman, the personnel that you are talking about, what they call dual-status technicians, that serve the Air National Guard---- Mr. Moran. They are dual status. Exactly. General Clarke. I get your point. Because if you brought in airmen who are dual-status technician AGR traditional Guardsmen, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference in who they are. In fact, if you stood a regular Air Force airman next to them, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between them. So these full-time technicians have an important duty. Mostly, their concerns are ensuring that the part-time force is well trained and able to do their job when they are tasked either at home or overseas. So if we were to lose a good portion of those in our force structure, it would be devastating to the Guard, because they provide such an important function of training and administrating the part-time force, which is the real strength of the Air National Guard. Mr. Moran. So it is interdependent, you are telling us, this civilian workforce? General Clarke. Yes, sir. We are very keenly aware of the issue if we weren't able to retain our dual-status technicians. And last year's furloughs significantly impacted us because we were unable to conduct our normal training, which we took a little deficit in training because they were furloughed and during the government shutdown. So our interest is in keeping them actively employed all the time, because the way the Air Force works, the way the Total Force works for the Air Force, we have to have those individuals doing their jobs throughout the week to ensure that our weekend training and other training opportunities go without a hitch. Mr. Moran. I see. Well, that is important to understand. I appreciate that testimony, General. Does anybody else want to comment on the civilian workforce reduction? General Lyons. Congressman, I would add our full-time manning, specifically our dual-status technicians, really are the foundation of our formations. They account for our property. They maintain material. They provide administrative support. So they generate readiness in our formations. So they are absolutely vital to what we do. I would also offer that reductions in those dual-status technicians are accompanied by reductions in force structure, because the two are tied together. So there would be a corresponding effect there, also, in further reductions as well. Mr. Moran. General. General Talley. Sir, thanks for the question. It is particularly relevant. In the Army Reserve, we are a traditional force. So without our full-time manning, whether it is 12,700 military technicians or almost 3,000 Department of Army civilians or our AGRs, we might as well just shut down the Army Reserve and go home. And the reason being is they keep everything running. A lot of folks don't realize that you want to process pay to get your soldiers paid, just like a private company would. That has to be done by those full-time manning after the battle assembly is over. We have an all-volunteer force. We have to make sure that the training is planned well and ready to execute so, when they come in for battle assemblies and collective training events, we are not wasting their time. Otherwise, they won't stay in our all-volunteer force. The biggest way that you can generally save money is to cut your full-time manning. The Army Reserve is only authorized 13.1 percent full-time manning, the lowest of any service or component. The average for the Reserve component for the DoD is 19.4 percent. And, yet, I am the largest three-star command in the DoD and the second largest command in the Army. So as we start talking about budget cuts and how to pay certain bills and there is discussion of reducing full-time manning, it will have an incredibly negative impact on the Army Reserve. I would de facto no longer be able to operate a functional unit or functional capability if they significantly reduce my full-time manning. Mr. Moran. Okay. Thank you. That is very helpful to get on the record. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Thank you, Mr. Moran. Ms. Granger. C-130 Ms. Granger. Thank you. Thank you all for your service and for being here today. We appreciate it very much. General Talley, thank you for sharing that story about the family. I know everyone here has had the same experience. I have lost 37 from my district in these two wars, and I always go out and visit the families. And with not a single exception, without a single exception, the families tell me how proud their son or brother was in serving. And so that says a lot about what you are doing. I am concerned about the future of the Air National Guard C-130 fleet. At this time I understand there are only two units that are currently operating the new J model aircraft while 15 other States are operating the legacy H models. And, as I understand the crew size, the training requirements are different with the H and the J with considerable difference in operating costs, also. So perhaps most troubling is the possibility that all the legacy C-130s will be grounded by 2020. General Clarke, it seems to me like we are running out of time to fix this issue. So what recommendations do you have to continue to keep the very relevant C-130s going forward? General Clarke. Congresswoman, the C-130s right now--they are still in production. The C-130Js are coming off the line. The Air Force is recapitalizing with the C-130Js. That is one pathway, is to go after recapitalization with new airplanes to replace the older H model airplanes. But, in the meantime, as you pointed out, the time to do that is short. And, yet, we also have other concerns with being able to operate the aircraft in airspace that is going to require some modifications. So there are desires to have modernization to the H model C-130s, which would be the second pathway, in order to ensure that we can get to the recapitalization. The current plan is, from my perspective, best if we find what minimum modernization dollars are required to ensure safety, reliability, and compatibility of those aircraft to comply with combatant commander requirements, which requires flying through international airspace and our own domestic airspace. If we can meet those with the dollars required to do that, we can then move on to the recapitalization with newer C-130s. That would be my true path of how we would make this a healthy fleet. Ms. Granger. Good. Would you keep us informed how that is going forward? General Clarke. Yes, ma'am. Ms. Granger. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Mr. Owens. Mr. Owens. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, gentlemen, for coming in to testify. General Lyons, good to see you again. General Lyons. Good to see you, sir. EQUIPMENT Mr. Owens. We just had a nice recent visit. In the testimony, you indicate that at the current time your equipment readiness looks to me to be in the range of about 90 percent, on average. Is that, in fact, a true reading of where you are? And what is the projection going out 5 years, particularly if we go back into a sequester mode in fiscal year 2016? General Lyons. Thank you, Congressman. So there is two pieces to this. There is the equipment on hand and then equipment readiness, and both of those are at their highest levels that they have ever been. And much of that is directly related to the work of the committee in providing funds for us to modernize our equipment and improve our equipment on hand through NGREA. So we are at historic highs right now both in equipment on hand percentage and equipment readiness. So you asked about projecting out 5 years. My concern is, as we look at--taking, for example, fiscal year 2015 and the reduction in O&M dollars specifically that allows us to maintain that equipment and creates an additional backlog on maintenance and repair specifically, that readiness level that we are at is going to degrade over time as a result of reductions in those funding levels. So it is difficult to project out 5 years. I do think it is safe to say, though, that, at reduced funding levels in our O&M accounts, that those readiness levels that you mentioned are going to come down proportionately. MENTAL HEALTH AND REINTEGRATION Mr. Owens. Thank you. As you have seen units deploy and return, are you being adequately--or are the troops being adequately provided mental health services in the communities in which they live as they return from deployments? General Lyons. Congressman, we are focused very hard on that, about the effects of deployments, about the reintegration of our men and women into our formations. We try and approach this over the deployment cycle, what we call it, so maintaining touch points with our men and women as they are getting ready to deploy, staying in touch with their families and the soldiers while they are deployed, and then, when they return home at the 45-, 60-, and 90-day window, having the opportunity to get face to face with those men and women and do an assessment. So we have dedicated full-time resources to that in the form of directors of psychological health in the 54 States, Territories, and the District. We have 78 of those hired today. With thanks to the Congress and this committee, we have an additional $10 million that has been made available to us. We anticipate that that is going to allow us to double the number of behavioral health providers in our formations. These are master's-level, credentialed behavior health providers. So we remain focused on it, Congressman, and we use every opportunity that we have to interact with our men and women in a geographically dispersed force during drill weekends, annual training, and when they return home. Mr. Owens. Are you having any difficulty recruiting providers? General Lyons. Not that I am aware of, sir. Mr. Owens. The reason I ask that question is we had the surgeons general in the other day for testimony, and certainly, in rural areas, that issue of lack of providers is found both in the civilian and the military population. General Lyons. Yes, sir. And that is probably a fair observation. You know, as I mentioned, the directors of psychological health that we have right now are in our Joint Force Headquarters, which is the State headquarters. It does stand to reason that, as you get out into more remote communities, that that pool to draw on may, in fact, be reduced. But what I will do, sir, is I will take that for the record and I will come back to you on the population that we are drawing on to hire those personnel and get an answer on that. [The information follows:] The Army National Guard (ARNG) Psychological Health Program has 54 contracted Directors of Psychological Health (DPHs) and 24 additional DPHs for identified high risk states. The DPHs are located at ARNG Joint Force Headquarters, Offices of State Surgeons and other areas deemed necessary by the respective state's adjutant general. This program's approach is to leverage community capacity and access to care in every state and territory to include rural areas. Because the ARNG has only 78 DPHs to cover the entire nation, they must rely on local community support agencies to assist and serve our ARNG population. Access to qualified psychological health providers can be an issue in rural areas not just for Army Guard Soldiers, but for the general population as well. The ARNG's priority has been to focus our limited hires in densely populated areas so that DPHs may be embedded as part of multidisciplinary teams. Travel funds are provided so that they can visit or serve our geographically dispersed population as needed. Aside from face-to-face and telephonic support, the DPHs provide crisis intervention, prevention, education and case management as part of a larger multidisciplinary team. The contractor takes provisions to ensure that the requirement is fulfilled to the quality standards set forth by the contract and that services are provided on time and within funding limits. The ARNG is also in the early stages of building an information technology infrastructure, to include a tele-behavioral health network, to improve service to more rural areas. Mr. Owens. And where they are geographically dispersed would also be helpful. General Lyons. Yes, sir. Mr. Owens. Thank you. I yield back. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Thank you, Mr. Owens. Mr. Crenshaw. DOMESTIC REQUIREMENTS Mr. Crenshaw. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And thank you all for being here and for your service. I want to ask about the size of the National Guard. General Grass, I am sure you are aware that, when you talk about restructuring and reducing the size not only of the active services, but the Guard and the Reserve, that causes a certain amount of consternation back in the States. And I can tell you, in a State like Florida where you have an unusually active Guard not only in terms of defending us abroad, but, also, meeting some of the needs--there was a time when we had four hurricanes in a three-week period. And so you couple that with the fact that, in a State like Florida, it actually has the lowest ratio of Guardsmen to population. I think we are number 54 out of 54. And so my question is: When you meet with the Army to decide about this restructuring and reduction, do you take into consideration the different needs, the different States, the different sizes, in terms of ratio to population? Questions of readiness? Some States are more ready to go than other States. Talk about the factors that went into those decisions. General Grass. Congressman, two things that occur here when we go through the analysis. And both my partners here could go into great detail. But the first one is, when we have to make a reduction across the board, we work with the adjutants general. And we have developed a model that we plug the numbers in on what the reduction is, and it takes in the recent deployments, it takes in the readiness accounts, it takes in the demographics. But we always realize there has to be a baseline of command and control units in place, because just having soldiers and airmen in there doesn't accomplish the mission when it is time to respond to a hurricane or any type of a disaster. The second part, though, in addition to the model, that we are taking a serious look at right now--and my plans chief has been working on this for a year and a half with FEMA and with NORTHCOM--is we have never been able to model for the States what we call the worst night in America, you know, something well beyond a Hurricane Katrina. One of the exercises we are getting ready to run right now is on the West Coast of the United States and California, an 8.2 earthquake, you know, in downtown Los Angeles or on the New Madrid. So now we are modeling it. We brought in the State plans, which are synchronized between the National Guard and the local responders, and we are looking at where the gaps and seams are in that. And that should generate for the future the plans that we will build to. And Administrator Fugate has been great supporting us on this, giving us the ideas of the response time. And we have 10 essential functions that we look at that we use in just about every disaster. So we will be looking at how those are positioned across the country. So a lot of work to do to get to that. Right now what we are working at is with the current round of cuts and the number I mentioned under the Budget Control Act and sequestration, of going down to 315,000 from--you know, by the end of 2015, we are going to be down to 350,200 Army Guard and about 105,000 Air Guard. When we drop that low, I am very concerned about the response times. We will still have people, soldiers and airmen, that can move. We will have reduced command and control. And the response times to get in and help is going to be longer. COUNTER DRUG PROGRAM Mr. Crenshaw. Quick follow-up maybe to what Chairman Rogers---- Mr. Frelinghuysen. Absolutely. Would you yield to me after you are through the course of your questions, I have another few questions. Mr. Crenshaw. Absolutely. Chairman Rogers talked about the counter-drug program, and what is interesting is, I think we all agree it is a great program, and while you don't always ask for the money, Congress always puts money in. But the last couple years has been like a hundred million dollars that expires, because it wasn't spent and it wasn't transferred to another account. Can you explain that? General Grass. Congressman, one of the problems we deal in, and most of that money comes in, in pay-in allowances, so like last year we got the money in June. Our fiscal year ends at the end of September, so we had to cut back at the start of the year because we didn't have the money to keep people on duty. Then when we got the money, now you are looking at trying to hire people to come in, and you got to get them trained up, and we ended up running out time to spend the money. It was hard to--it was about 130 million I think last year that we had to try to use, and we didn't want to waste it in any way. We wanted to make sure it was used effectively out in the communities with each state. But it is that up and down that makes it very difficult. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Would you yield to me? I just want--my predecessor told me once, and tell me, General Clarke, does the Air Force Guard have any C-130s in Florida? General Clarke. I'm sorry sir, does the Air Guard have? Mr. Frelinghuysen. Any C-130s in Florida. General Clarke. No, sir. Mr. Frelinghuysen. That is pretty amazing. I don't want to add on to your anxiety, but that workhorse would be, I think, pretty valuable in a state that has faced you know so many incredible crises. Ms. McCollum. DUAL STATUS Ms. McCollum. First off, on the dual status I am really glad Mr. Moran asked the question. It is something that has been on my mind to kind of get out on the table because I am intimately familiar even as a young child what dual status meant, to a family, what it means to our military, and what it means to our Department of Defense. And I bring that up because right after 9/11, there was a lot of confusion as people were getting called up in the Guard, you know, with dual status. Which health care plan is my family on? Which health care plan am I on? And it was a real mess, and a lot of people when we called up and picked up the phone and started talking to people, even in the Pentagon, didn't know what we were talking about, so I hope that that protocol or whatever got put in place that has finally been working for those dual status people, remains in place and remains refreshed and kept up to date. Because if they are called up again, I would hate for us to have to go back and have those families go through the struggle that they were and have that service man or woman being deployed wondering whether or not when they were leaving if their family had health insurance or if they were going to be in an insurance gap which many of them were afraid they were going to be. READINESS And, Mr. Chair, I hear the committee loud and clear; and to kind of sum up I think what we are going to be working on is, as my grandmother said, when you borrow or use something, you return it in good condition, maybe even better condition; and so I think we want to make sure that our guards are at that point and then to make sure that our guards are equipped. I know when Minnesota's National Guard wasn't any different than any of the other National Guards when they didn't have enough equipment, when they didn't have enough body armor, when they were being deployed and our men and women tend to have either white for snow training or green for forest training, so they weren't the right camouflage color when they were leaving and so those kinds of things I hope that this committee working with you will keep up on. SEXUAL ASSAULT What I would like to ask the National Guard about is military sexual assault because the Guard has a very, very unique role as well as the Reserves do with the people who are involved in your units. The Pentagon has reported about 5,400 instances of sexual assault or unwanted sexual contacts were reported in the military last year, which was a 60 percent rise from 2012. This is a disturbingly high number, and there is ongoing investigations and new revelations of misconduct and sexual assault within the ranks, and that is the very issue that this committee takes very seriously and wants to see addressed. The Guard, because in many ways the way people enroll; it is families, it is friends, it is cousins, it is neighbors, it is people you went to high school with, people you work with, I mean, these really are family, community-based units. So one of the questions I had asked Mr. Lyons is kind of like how does the Guard address this, and has this been a problem in the Guard? Speaking to Guards women who have been activated and one reservist, the attack that was perpetrated on him was not by a fellow guards person or a reservist. It was a person in quote-unquote ``traditional active duty.'' So could you tell me what kind of programs you are looking at. What do you think you need to do to better to address sexual assault, but foremost, I would like you to answer a question. How do you treat sexual assault? Because you don't do things within the command and within the ranks, do you not? Do you not turn them over usually to outside prosecutors? Who would ever like to go first? General Grass. Congresswoman, let me start by saying that this is a serious problem that we all take extremely, extremely seriously. And I would tell you that as a member of the Joint Chiefs, we spent quite a bit of time on this topic, and one of the things we have done within the National Guard is I have made it clear to my counterparts on the Joint Chiefs that we do have some issues that are different, and we have to address them differently. So if we have someone on a drill status on a weekend and a sexual assault occurs and the state does not have a uniform code of military justice, their only tool may be to turn to a local prosecutor, and we find that unless there is strong evidence, if alcohol is involved, they will normally not take the case. So what we want to do is provide a better legal framework for that, so we stood up about two years ago and started training, and it is our Office of Complex Investigations. They are trained legal members from the Guard, and they are from other states. We are up to 92 now that have been trained at Ft. Leonardwood. All it takes is a call from the state, and we will send them in. The nice thing about our team is that they can come from another state. They can walk in. The victim doesn't have to know the person, where inside the state the victim may know the legal framework there, the legal representatives. So, we are very, very committed to doing this, the 92. We sent the teams out to states, we write the report. Some states do have a Uniform Code of Military Justice under the governor and under the adjutant general, and they are taking action as these cases come forward. Soon, within probably two weeks, I will be able to sign off on a special victims council program that the Army is going to be giving us approval for. I know the Air Force has already given the Air Guard, so you have a special council for the victim in hometown America. So, we have a lot of actions underway, and we need to continue to hammer this home. What we are seeing right now is possibly an increase in the number of reporting, but what we are also seeing is some of those reports were two, three years ago, or even before the person got in the military. So we think we are making a progress toward people being comfortable to report so we can get after the problem. Ms. McCollum. Would you say in those states where you turn it over to the state, it is outside of the quote-unquote that what being is discussed here, the ``traditional chain of command'', has that influenced or weakened the Guard in any way? General Grass. Ma'am, I would have to go back and look at the statistics on it. Ms. McCollum. Mr. Lyons. General Lyons. Ma'am, I might offer that in those circumstances where you are talking to is, the commander of the unit will still take action based on the results of the civilian prosecution. So a unit commander, if a perpetrator is convicted in civilian court, the unit commander is going to take action on the military side as a result of that conviction, so there still is involvement. You know, we have applied full-time resources towards this issue. We have 95 special--I am sorry, sexual assault response coordinators and full-time victim advocates in the states, territories and the District. We have also trained 2,400 collateral duty victim advocates to push down advocacy for victims to the lowest level that we can across our formations. So, you know, it is kind of the three lines of effort here that General Grass talked to which is prevention, making sure that we are ensuring that we have a culture of dignity and respect in our formations where our men and women feel safe and secure and can participate to their fullest potential. We use the Office of Complex Investigation, we partner with local law enforcement, and then we hold accountable through the mechanisms that General Grass talked about. Ms. McCollum. So to sum up, would it be fair to say in areas where you know, these acts are committed within the United States, within a state, turning it over as a criminal matter, to the state, in doing the dual track, and still doing the discipline within the military, that that has not affected, weakened, or diminished your chain of command? General Grass. Ma'am, I can tell you that, again, going back to the Joint Chiefs, we have had many conversations about this. Ms. McCollum. I am not asking the Joint Chiefs. I am asking you folks. I am asking the Guard, and I am asking the Reserve. I have heard from the Joint Chiefs. General Grass. Yes, ma'am, and taking the commander out of the loop is the wrong thing to do. We need to hold them accountable for this and give them the tools. Ms. McCollum. Sir, I didn't say to take the commander out of the loop. I still said that the military can go forward and do its thing. I asked if prosecuting this in a criminal court in any way, I mean, that is what you are doing now in most cases, so are you saying your chain of command has been weakened over these past years in the way that you have conducted your sexual investigations and turned things over? General Grass. No, ma'am. Ms. McCollum. Okay. General Grass. We have not. Ms. McCollum. Thank you. SEXUAL ASSAULT Mr. Frelinghuysen. Just for the record if you will yield, we put $25 million in there, not only for the regular military, but for the Guard and Reserve, and we assume that part of that money is being used towards making sure these situations do not continue. Let me associate myself with Ms. McCollum. I think all of us do. We are not going to tolerate this kind of behavior. Ms. McCollum. Mr. Chair, I mean, my point simply was, is that right now the Guard, if there is a crime committed, they prosecute it when they can in the regular, traditional criminal court system, and then they still have their ability to punish and to discipline within the military system; and so that is a system that has worked well for women all across this country and for men who have been assaulted as well. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Thank you, Ms. McCollum. Mr. Cole. STRATEGIC U.S. OPERATIONAL RESERVE Mr. Cole. Thank you Mr. Chairman. Thank you gentlemen for your service. And I apologize for arriving late, but as we all know, the committee schedule is pretty hefty right now. You may have covered some of this in your testimony. I want to direct my question to General Grass and also General Talley at least initially. When I first came to Congress, it was in January of 2003 and before Iraq but just before, and I was really incredibly impressed with the Guard and the Reserve and the manner in which they responded. The assumption at that time was very much that the Guard and Reserve were just that, a strategic Reserve; but to watch them transform themselves into an operational force as quickly as they did and over the amount of time that they have is pretty amazing. And it is clearly, you know, an extraordinarily important part of when we go to war now as to whether or not the Guard and Reserve are capable of doing that with that kind of speed. What concerns, if any, do you have if we were to revert to the sort of 2001, 2002 strategic Reserve model as opposed to being what I think you are today, which is an exceptionally capable operational force? General Grass. Congressman, it would be very unfortunate for the United States of America and the governors of the states. I have had a chance in the year and a half on the job to visit 27 states, 7 countries, where our men and women were serving. Last week I was in Afghanistan. This force in the National Guard, both at home and overseas, is something I have never seen in my 44 years in the Guard, and I would tell you that my biggest concern is as we draw down and we draw down the resources, these men and women will look for something else to do, and we will lose that strength, that capability. Last week a town hall, in Camp Leatherneck, talking to guardsmen that were right there on the point of the spear, helping to tear down the facilities, and I asked them, are you being deployed too much? They looked at me and said no, predictability is good but, no, we want to be a part of something bigger. If we know that the numbers are going to come down, when you get us back home, you better give us dynamic training. You better keep our weekend drills dedicated to taking our time and giving us the skills we need because we know based on what is happening to our military, if something happens in the world, we are going to have to go quicker, so we want to be ready quicker. General Lyons. Sir, and if I can add. Oh, I'm sorry, General Talley. Go ahead. General Talley. You know, as we look at this post 9/11 generation, you know, 87 percent of our Army guardsmen have joined since 9/11, so they have grown up in this operational tempo, this operational Reserve that we are all accustomed to. I use my own family as an example. My spouse is in the Guard. My stepson is in the Guard. My middle son is in the Guard. So four deployments between us. Mr. Cole. Are they all married? General Lyons. What is that? Mr. Cole. Are they all married? General Lyons. One is, sir. Mr. Cole. Very understanding spouse. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Make sure that gets in the record. General Lyons. Nearly 50 percent of our Army guardsmen and women are veterans, and so as General Grass highlighted, the challenge is we have to keep them engaged. We have to provide them the operational opportunities that are out there either in training or in operational missions, things like combat training center rotations which are the culminating training events that we have, the opportunity to serve overseas, continue with their state partnership program, remain engaged because as he so rightly said, if we don't offer those opportunities to develop our leaders of the future, my fear is as the acting director, is that they will decide they have something better to do with their time. They feel value, they feel contribution in what they have done over the last 13 years, and they are eager to do more. That is the sense that I get from our men and women that serve. Mr. Cole. General Talley. General Talley. Congressman, thank you for the question. Like General Odierno and Secretary McHugh, my biggest concern is if we ever ask a soldier to go do a mission and they are not properly trained, resourced and led. And I think if they are properly trained, resourced and led, it doesn't matter what component they are from. But for the Army Reserve, as the Army has morphed and changed over the years, and we have become de facto, almost all of the enablers for the Total Army because most of our regular Army is the tooth, and the Army National Guards are in many ways a miniature version of big Army, but almost all of those enabling skills that we need to support those combat missions are in the Army Reserve. So our demand signal stays the same in the Army Reserve, whether we are no longer executing named operations, combat operations, or when we are switching to contingency operations. So we have got to be ready. Well, those contingent missions may not require us, afford us the flexibility of going to a MOB site. You may have to go right away, and so for, us it is all about readiness. It is making sure that as the resourcing goes down, we have got to have enough OPTEMPO, money and resourcing to keep those enablers ready because we provide that support not only to the Army but to the total force. Thanks for the question, sir. BUDGET PROCESS Mr. Cole. Oh, no. Thank you. One other quick question, and the answer may not be too quick, but obviously we have heard a good deal of debate and discussion about the differences of opinion over air assets and what is happening given what we are all going through a very difficult downsizing and readjustment. Are there other areas that particularly concerned you beyond that, in terms of the decisions that are being made right now, and are you comfortable that in the decision-making process you have had the opportunities to state your case and work back and forth with the regular Army and regular Air Force, what have you, to, you know, just to work through this together and come to common solutions to joint problems. General Clarke. I can go first because I have got the easy part of this discussion. Yes, sir, absolutely. Working with the Air Force senior leadership unquestionable, the outstanding collaboration we have with the senior leadership is their--I mean, they pull us into every decision. They want to ensure that we have an opportunity to voice our opinions. Remarkably this year, this past year, was the first time that the Air Force asked adjutants general to be a part of the programming decisions, to sit there and give their voices and let their voice be heard. They were representing all of the adjutants generals out there for the broad issues, but they had an opportunity to inject their opinion. And it was quite helpful, I think, I think General Welsh really appreciated them being there for the discussions. So for us it is working very well, and I think in the future, particularly under Secretary James and General Welsh we can look forward to more of that. Mr. Cole. All right. General Lyons. Sir, I am concerned about the impact of budget reduction specifically into fiscal year 2015. We compete in the same Army processes for budget decisions, so where I see the risk that we are going to assume here is specifically in the readiness of our formations. As we look ahead to fiscal year 2015, in terms of operations tempo, our ability to resource combat training center rotations will not be there. The rotations may be scheduled, but the funding both in pay and allowance and Operations and Maintenance to support that is not there. We will see impact in our base operations support, which is support for everything we do across our armories across the Nation there. We will see risk in our sustainment, restoration, and modernization accounts. So as I talked in my opening statement about the average age of our facilities being about 44 years, and there is variances in that across the Nation, as things break, our ability to repair them, we will continue to defer that maintenance over time here, and so when you have an old facility and you are deferring maintenance it just exacerbates the issue and that reduces our readiness. We will see impacts in our depot maintenance as well. But, what I am very concerned about is our ability to, again, engage our men and women and sustain the leaders that we have that have been honed over 13 years of hard fought and hard won experience, but also build that next generation of leaders and so our pay and in allowance and our O&M accounts directly contribute to our ability to do that, and so that is an area of concern. FORCE STRUCTURE DECISIONS Mr. Frelinghuysen. Very briefly, because I want to give Mr. Aderholt a chance to put his marker down here since he is been very patient. Maybe you don't have any. Yes. General Talley. General Talley. Sir, quick response. I have direct access to Secretary McHugh and General Odierno daily. I can get to see them any time I want and I have, particularly as you might guess on the issue of end strength and the force structure. What I ask the boss is, it is really how do we properly balance our Army, light, medium, heavy forces, Active Guard and Reserve, and how do we assume risk and provide the cost savings that we have to provide to the Secretary of Defense? The only thing I have asked the boss to do is allow me to make those recommendations to you as to how we might downsize the Army Reserve and how I can provide the cost savings to you. The boss has allowed me to do that. There has been a loss of discussion, a lot of give and take. At the end of the day, though, I pitch my case to the boss, he makes the decision, and then makes that recommendation to Congress. He has allowed me to do that. General Grass. Congressman, if I could, one of the toughest issues that we have to deal with in the Department of Defense, is finding the right mix between our active component and our Reserve component, and of course we just went through that with the Air Guard, and I think we have come up with a very good analytical way ahead. The way we have formed a team of task force continuation, stood up by General Welsh, is really helping to inform the metrics that go into that so we get it right for the Nation. I think we have to do the same thing inside the Army. Mr. Cole. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Thank you, Mr. Cole. Mr. Aderholt. HUMVEES Mr. Aderholt. Thank you. I will be brief here. The National Guard has consistently included modernized Humvees among their top priority funding priorities, and funding was included fiscal year 2013 and fiscal year 2014 to establish a multi-year program to modernize the rapidly aging fleet. I am aware that the partnership between the Army National Guard Bureau and industry has yielded an effective public/private partnership to rapidly fill like-new vehicles to Guard units nationwide as part of this program. The question would be what kind of impact will these upgrades have on the Guard's ability to perform its mission? General Lyons. Thank you, Congressman. It has direct impact, and I want to thank the committee for their generous support in fiscal year 2013 and fiscal year 2014 for providing those dollars that does exactly what you just talked about, which is modernized legacy fleets of our wheeled vehicles. We have a vital of variance of Humvees in particular, and so those dollars are going to continue to allow us to modernize those vehicles, and so that has a direct impact on our readiness both for overseas missions and our domestic missions at home. Mr. Aderholt. Let me just follow up. As we are looking for fiscal year 2015 funding, what impact would additional funding have in respect to the Guards' initiative to upgrade the Humvees? General Lyons. Thanks, Congressman. We still continue to have legacy variants of our Humvee fleets, so we would look to continue to modernize. General Talley. Sir, thanks for the question. Like the National Guard, we have an aging Humvee fleet, and one of the areas that we would like to see if it is potentially possible to get additional resourcing would be how do we modernize those Humvees, particularly as it relates to ground ambulances? I own approximately 59 percent of the doctors and nurses for the Total Army, the Guard was able to get some additional funding last year where they can convert some of their Humvees into ground ambulances, great initiative, we would like to do exactly the same thing because there is no program or record fix for that. Thank you, sir. Mr. Aderholt. Thank you. Ms. Granger [presiding]. Mr. Visclosky. MOVING FROM ACTIVE SERVICE TO THE GUARD Mr. Visclosky. Thank you very much, Madam Chairman. General Lyons, you had mentioned that about 50 percent of the Guard members are veterans. To what extent do you think there are still, and General Talley, you may want to address this as well. Bureaucratic barriers for soldiers moving from active service to the Guard as well as the Reserve, that we could expedite this because obviously you do have that training, you have got that expertise, desire to serve. Are there things that can improve that flow of talent? General Lyons. Thank you, Congressman. We do want to capitalize on the opportunity to have serving active component soldiers, transition seamlessly into the Army National Guard. As we speak we are engaged in a pilot program called AC to RC, Active Component to Reserve Component. So I have career counselors at Ft. Hood Texas that engage early on, and so as an active component soldier is making a decision to come off of active service, typically that engagement would occur anywhere from three to six months from that decision to leave. What the AC to RC program will allow us to do is to extend that window out to about a year where that active component soldier gets exposed to the opportunities both in Army National Guard and the Army Reserve early on in the process, and then the second goal of that program is if that service in the Army National Guard requires a change of their military occupational specialty, that they make that change while they are on active duty, so the end result is the active component delivers a trained soldier into the paragraph and line number in the Army Guard formation, and so we have readiness that is maintained. Mr. Visclosky. With the skill that is needed? General Lyons. Yes, exactly sir. Mr. Visclosky. Yeah. General Talley. Sir, just to piggyback on that, what we need to do is, the regular Army has got to draw down in it is force structure and obviously the decision has been made to draw them down at a greater rate than that of COMPO 2 of the National Guard and COMPO 3 of the Army Reserve. We have got to emphasize soldier for life here. Soldier for life is not leaving the regular Army and becoming a civilian. It is serving in the regular Army, one of our great Army national guards or in the Army Reserve. So to promote that, we have to actually extend our AC to RC program which is a regular Army program, even more. We have got to go more than a year out. We need to say how do we take soldiers that are quality soldiers, combat men and women, veterans, allow them to leave the active Army early and then finish their commitment in the Army Reserve or Army National Guard as we pull, not push them from our force, the regular Army force, and then train them in a career using in our case the Army Reserves and Employers Partnership Program, which was the initial program that eventually became Heroes to Hire for OSD. Thanks, sir. Mr. Visclosky. Is that, if you would, a pilot as well in a sense? General Talley. The pilot program that is being implemented right now, that we are testing at Ft. Hood, was really a discussion between the active Army, the Army Reserve, and the Army National Guard at Ft. Hood. It is allowing us to go in using Army Reserve and Army National Guard resources to pull folks, or to get with them a year in advance. My argument is I still don't think that is far enough. We got to go more than a year in advance because by the time they get to the transition point, they have already kind of made their mind up, and what we want to do is be able get them earlier and to allow them to understand that there may be a way that they can start training into a different MOS, occupational specialty, that would allow them a more viable civilian career transition. General Odierno has got a cash flow issue. He has got to get cash flows quicker. He is going to have to draw down quicker than perhaps he might like. We could take advantage of that and help the rest of the Army by a more aggressive AC to RC program. Mr. Visclosky. You mentioned the pilot program as well as what you are doing in Reserve. We are going to hold a hearing about a year from now. Will the pilot program be completed? Will you have a better assessment as to whether this will facilitate and ease that movement of talent? General Talley. Short answer is yes, sir. The Army G1 Howard Romberg, we are anticipating we should be able to get some sort of metrics in terms of whether or not it is going to work or not, we hope by mid to late summer, and then the idea is if we do we want to then expand that across all of the major military installations to capture the AC to RC. And a point that I made earlier this morning is we also need to break down the barriers for the other services. In other words, if you serve in another service and you want to come into the Army, right now often we make you repeat basic training. I don't know why we do that, but we are trying to get that policy changed. Mr. Visclosky. Okay. And the pilot program, when will that end, General Lyons? General Lyons. Sir, I would like to take that for the record because I am not sure on that, and I want to give you an accurate answer. [The information follows:] The AC2RC 365 Pilot Program at Ft. Hood is a one-year program. The program has yet to be implemented, but is expected to be implemented by the Active Duty within the next few weeks. NATIONAL GUARD AND RESERVE EQUIPMENT ACCOUNT Mr. Visclosky. If I could, I would like to draw your attention to two accounts, one from my perspective very ephemeral, the opportunity, growth and security initiative account, that I am assuming will be plussed up fully once we do changes to entitlement programs and pass tax legislation this year. Do you have requests for your various services in that account as a proposal, and just generally, yes or no? I am not interested in specifics at this point. General Grass. Congressman, we did submit unfinanced requirements be included with the Department of Defense. Mr. Visclosky. Let me ask then in conjunction with that question about another account, and that is the National Guard and Reserve equipment account that apparently somebody in the administration forgot to put any money in for a request for 2015. If, in 2015 that account receives funding, would there be items of particular interest to your services to be included in that, and would any of those be also represented in that opportunity, growth and security initiative request? General Lyons. Congressman, first to the NGREA, again I want to thank the committee for their continued support in NGREA funding for the National Guard. It allows us flexibility to procure items that you are getting at that we don't have in the base budget. Specifically in the Guard I just wanted to highlight the ability to purchase critical dual use items of equipment, those items of equipment that are good for the war fight as well as our domestic missions, and thanks to the committee's support, I am happy to report that we were at 83 percent in fiscal year 2010 in critical dual use equipment, and we are up to 93 percent in fiscal year 2014, and so that is directly related to the committee's work. I want to thank you for that. As you look ahead, we still have requirements. We have heavy truck fleet requirements, purchase of the chemical, biological, radiological, and nuclear. The CBRNE enterprise equipment, general engineering vehicles, simulators to train our force. So these are all examples that we would look to use NGREA funding for in the future, sir; in addition to the Humvee modernization that I talked about earlier with the additional funds the committee has provided in 2013 and 2014. General Clarke. Sir, yeah, my appreciation for the NGREA funds. From an aviation perspective, again we found uses in the dual use as well. But from a war fighting perspective, the opportunities, we still use the targeting pods that we received. It brought us up to the first string capability. You know, in the National Guard we didn't have that capability, but we were literally put on the first string when we acquired that capability through NGREA funding. The latest that I have seen is a modification to F-16s where we have a center display unit. The difference in that is trying to view something on a laptop over here, versus having a 60-inch TV right here for a pilot. That is a big deal because your ability to discriminate where the enemy is and particularly where the perimeters might be, it is just a game changer. We also have helmet mounted sights now. Remarkably good equipment that allows you to, and from my experiences in Iraq, if I look at something I can designate it with my sight off of my helmet. One push of the button, all my weapons and my sensors immediately go to that point on the ground. That is a game changer. So the NGREA has just been fantastic. But to answer your question, sir, wherever there is a combatant commander requirement that needs to be met, if NGREA helps with it, that is very helpful, and we have a very good process--type process through weapons and tactics conference to identify which requirements are out there, and then we have a good process for prioritizing which ones we are going to try to fund with NGREA. General Talley. Short answer, sir. Yes on the UFR list. It is already in. On NGREA, tremendous ability to help the Army Reserve. We are going to reinforce success. We are focused on simulation equipment and making the most of home station training particularly as we have to come down in OPTEMPO as it relates to travel money for example; and since most of our force is enablers, we are focusing pre-marksmanship instruction, familiarization of weapons systems, how to basically execute trucks and convoy; and then when we do get on the real machines itself and the real equipment, it makes it quicker to train, it makes it safer. Tremendous value, sir. Mr. Visclosky. Okay. Gentlemen, thank you very much. Thanks, Mr. Chairman. UPGRADED APACHES Mr. Frelinghuysen [presiding]. Gentleman, you are on your game. We do put money in this committee on the NGREA account, so it is good to hear that it is being properly utilized. I have been trying to find out from staff, but since I know General Grass has had 44 years service, and let me say is it 12 as an enlisted man, you may have this answer. How many Apaches do we have in the Army; would you guess? General Grass. We have in the Army Guard about---- Mr. Frelinghuysen. I know the Army Guard. I just wondered if you knew what the big Army has. General Grass. 732 about. General Lyons. Yes, sir, it is 732 with an acquisition objective of I believe, 690. Mr. Frelinghuysen. So following up with Mr. Womack, who was headed down this path here about the upgraded Apaches. In the interests of full disclosure, this committee put in--tell me if this is accurate General Grass, this committee put in nearly a billion dollars to upgrade those Apaches for the National Guard? General Grass. Chairman, I would have to go back and check that. We were talking to our lawyers today to try to find those documents because they are critical. Mr. Frelinghuysen. I think this committee put the money in there specifically for the National Guard. You don't have to talk to your lawyers. I think we can help validate that. General Grass. Yes, sir. CYBER ACTIVITIES Mr. Frelinghuysen. Though, I think this puts a point on our discussion here. Just sort of shifting gears a little bit here, if you look at the overall defense budget, there are a few areas that have sort of been plussed up, and God only knows we give credit to our special operators for what they do. We may not know where they all are at any given time, but I am sure some of you, certainly the air component and others have been responsible for their safekeeping and their air travel and other means of getting here and about. There is a greater investment in cyber activities. Has it been determined, more importantly, have you shown your interest with the powers that be of being part of that overall endeavor? Guess that goes to you, General Grass. This is what we call a softball. General Grass. Chairman, first let me tell you, we have spent a lot of time with General Alexander before he retired. We do an exercise with him every year. We are going to do one this year down at Quantico, Virginia, where we bring in Guardsmen and women from across the state with cyber skills. We have worked with the Army and the Air, and these gentlemen can give you more detail on what specific units. But we are looking and we are postured and ready to buy into structure as the Army and Air National Guard have it offered to them by the Army and Air Force. We just stood up our first computer protection team, or cyber protection team. It is a 39-person team. We brought it on full-time. They are going through their train-up and certification. We brought those Guardsmen and women from across the country. Tried to draw them from different states. They will eventually go to Ft. Gordon, Georgia. The intent would be as they get up to speed, we would actually eventually send them back to their states. We are hoping to draw an opportunity to fill future cyber protection teams and possibly put one per FEMA region in the future. We are working very closely with R cyber and F cyber. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Well, don't hide your treasure under a basket. I think you have got a lot of amazing men and women in all of your Guard and Reserve that can bring their brains and education to the cyber issue, so I think you ought to promote yourselves more. I have, not a parochial issue, but I am interested in the air wing at Atlantic City. They do some incredible stuff. There is concern about the F-16 fleet. They cover a pretty broad territory, so it is more than just a Garden State. They go up and down the coast. Where are we going, General Clarke, what is your priority in your budget quest, and how do we keep the fleet in that location and others around the country modern and relevant? General Clarke. Thank you, sir. The airmen at the 177th Wing, New Jersey, perform two missions. One is a homeland defense mission, 24 hours a day. They are on call to pick up any tasking that North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) would give them. But additionally they trained to the air expeditionary force as well. So one day they could be tasked with a mission to support the homeland, and the next day they could be out the door going to support an overseas contingency. And they have done this multiple times, and they do it very well mostly because they do it with experienced airmen. For the airplanes themselves, the basic airplane, the Block 30 F-16s that they are flying are in pretty good shape. We think that because of the earlier Falcon STAR program and then the equivalent Flying Hour program, how they are flown has extended the life on these airplanes out for a good number of years. So the basic airplane is good. Unfortunately the budget difficulties, some of the capabilities upgrades will be not forthcoming; but again with NGREA and things like that, we are able to meet the combatant commander requirements with the airplane once it does deploy overseas. So I would tell you that one day we would like to see new airplanes here, but in the meantime we are going to do the best we can with great Airmen first of all, and then airplanes that we have already put some significant funds into to make sure they are good out through another 10, 15 years. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Thank you. Mr. Womack. MEDICAL READINESS Mr. Womack. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to go back to, you know, we have talked a lot about equipment, and that is all well and good, but we are still a very people-intensive organization as all of our services are. So I have just got a random list of some topics that I would like some kind of brief answers on. You know, when I was serving, one of my biggest complaints was the fact that I was always stuck with, for lack of a better term, people that were non deployable. They were protected by certain things, systemic things in the organization, and it was the common complaint of my soldiers, is that they didn't seem to have or were concerned about what I call upward mobility through the ranks because a lot of people senior to them just never seemed to kind of go away, and a lot of people that have served a long, long time and this is no reflection on General Grass, who has already been mentioned as having served a long, long time. It is not that upward mobility that I am talking about. So, if we are going to see a reduction in end strength, which it appears that we are, it would seem to me that the pressure on the service to be able to create upward mobility is going to continue to be if not a bigger--a challenge but a bigger challenge, going forward. So when I look at things like medical fitness, whether somebody is deployable or non- deployable, MOSQ, NOVAL, those kinds of issues that scan the surface of our personnel management system, what are you doing, General Grass, and General Lyons, and I am sure it is something that is important to the Army Reserve, too, what are you doing, what is your vision for how we continue to create the opportunity for the young people joining our force to be able to achieve greater rank, and positions of responsibility against a lower end strength? General Grass. Congressman, first of all, great, great support from this committee on medical readiness dollars and our ability to run every year all of our men and women, both Air and Army, through a soldier readiness process has paid us huge events. The Army and Air Guard today are running in the low 80s, I think up to 85 percent. General Lyons. Yes, sir, about 83.1 percent. We are the highest of all three components today. General Grass. Medical readiness, which was unheard of as you know, before the war. We didn't have the resources. And the dental readiness, back then a lot of folks didn't have dental, and we had to wait until they mobilized and then we had to get them fixed to go and that delayed time. So what we are concerned about now though as the dollars shrink, the medical and dental readiness are going to be the first two we have got to watch close. So if someone can't make that and can't meet that and the resources are available, but they are going to have so slowly shift to taking it out of their pocket and go to TRICARE Select for Reserve, we are going to have to hold the line there because we are going to have somebody like you said standing right there ready to step in their place if they can't meet the medical readiness. COMBAT TRAINING Mr. Womack. Combat training center rotations, it was mentioned earlier. It is a capstone mission for or capstone event for the Reserve components. I am deeply concerned, both from the AC and the RC side, that we are not going to be able to get our soldiers through these capstone events that are basically the crowning achievement to assess their readiness to deploy down range. General Lyons. Congressman, I absolutely agree with you. Our posture, the net effect as I said earlier, will be at individual crew and squad level proficiency. Combat training center rotations allow us to either come out of the combat training center rotation at platoon or company level proficiency which is where we need to be, so that takes funding both in Pay and Allowance (P&A) and in O&M. We can schedule the rotations which we have two scheduled for fiscal year 2015 currently, but again, not the dollars to resource those rotations so without that we are going to continue to maintain a force at individual crew and squad level training. MILITARY OCCUPATIONAL SPECIALTY Mr. Womack. Are we having any problem finding school slots for those that are trying to become qualified in their military occupational specialty? General Lyons. I think I would answer it this way, Congressman. We will take risk in our MOS qualification opportunities and our special training opportunities, both of which come out of O&M accounts and some P&A, so we will seize every single opportunity we have, every single seat, to an MOS qualified soldier. My fear is we may not have the money to occupy that seat. Mr. Womack. General Talley. General Talley. Sir, on the seat requests, we are not able to get enough seats to meet the requirements that we have. That is not the real issue, the real issue is how do you fund, it gets to General Lyon's point, how do you fund the per diem, the travel, the salary, to get them to go to that event, particularly as you have a decrease in training funds. A challenge that I highlight frequently both within forces command, the Army and also to the Congress is---- Mr. Frelinghuysen. Could we just hold the testimony for a moment. There is a moment of silence up on the floor, and if we would take a moment to recognize the loss of life. Thank you. Mr. Womack and then Mr. Aderholt. Mr. Womack. And I know exactly where General Talley was going with his comments, so let me just say this and then I will finish. I sense a perfect storm happening for our Reserve components. We are seeing the effects of not having the funds, perhaps not having the funds to ensure medical readiness, to get the appropriate people in the right slots, to get them through the combat center rotations. We are seeing issues with regard to the platforms on which they would train and become proficient and serve as an operational force down range, and we already know that we are not doing some of the missions that heretofore we were doing that were ideally suited, MFO as Sinai as an example. And so I just caution our country about putting our Reserve components in a position where they are going to almost by force to be not ready to do what this country is going to ask of them at some point down the road, and I will get off my soap box on it, but it is a great concern of mine. We are going to continue to talk about it. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I yield back. Mr. Frelinghuysen. We share your concern, Mr. Womack. Mr. Visclosky. Mr. Visclosky. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just a couple quick points. One, I truly support the Guards' counter drug program. I think it is very worthwhile and we certainly have seen very positive results in my congressional district. For General Grass and Lyons, just so that my impression is either correct or incorrect, it is my understanding and we have had a discussion about Humvees. So, will remain a part of the fleet, if you would, until about 2030. Is my impression correct. General Lyons. I believe that is accurate, sir. Mr. Visclosky. Okay, and finally, Mr. Chairman, I would point out while General Clarke has been in your position for 2 weeks, as I understand it? General Clarke. One week. Mr. Visclosky. You did a heck of a job, but I also understand that General Lyons, during his long career, has been able, up until today, to avoid having to testify before a congressional committee. I think you did a superlative job. You keep at this, you are going to get good. Mr. Frelinghuysen. He is doing pretty well now. Mr. Visclosky. He is doing terrific. Gentlemen, thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Frelinghuysen. On all of our behalf and to the men and women you represent, the best of America, wherever they may be, God bless you and thank you. And the meeting stands adjourned. [Clerk's note.--Two questions submitted by Mr. Cole and the answers thereto follows:] Training and Simulation-Lease v. Buy Question. What is the effect of sequestration on the Army National Guards ability to maintain optimum levels of readiness? Answer. Assuming Budget Control Act (BCA) funding levels return in fiscal year 2016 and beyond, there will be significant impacts on Army Guard readiness with far-reaching implications for overseas missions and no-notice emergencies here at home. Our readiness to conduct wartime missions enables the ARNG to execute domestic operations with skill and efficiency. The ARNG will always respond domestically, but due to lower levels of readiness in equipment, personnel and training, and a greater dispersion of the force across 2,600 communities across the nation, the response may be slowed. In the near term especially the Chief of Staff of the Army has previously stated that readiness levels will drop to ``unacceptable risk'' under the BCA. BCA-level funding will require significant additional cuts to force structure and end strength. The ARNG has been instructed to plan to cut its force structure to 315,000. These funding restrictions will impose reductions to facilities and full-time manning across the nation. The Guard will also have to rebalance forces among the states to maintain essential capabilities for governors' domestic missions, a requirement which will produce further turbulence beyond just the troops whose units are eliminated. Future impacts of BCA can be foreseen from the impacts we saw during fiscal year 2013. When BCA-mandated funding levels return in FY 16, the Army will again suspend Guard training and other operational employments, leading to a loss of leader development opportunities. Military Technicians may again be furloughed. OPTEMPO funding will drop; CTC rotations will likely be cancelled. We can also expect an impact on equipping, as any reduction in procurement by the Army will be felt in the ARNG as well. BCA may also impact Depot-level overhaul of equipment, limiting the availability of thousands of items of equipment and creating a maintenance backlog which will take time and money to address in the future. Question. Though nothing substitutes for live training, can simulators assist maintaining readiness levels? How do they reduce the costs of live-fire training? Answer. The Army National Guard (ARNG) continues to develop its ability to integrate live, virtual, constructive and gaming training aids, devices, simulations and simulators (TADSS) programs with the ARNG Training Strategy. Simulators assist the ARNG in meeting established aim points of our training strategy. TADSS play an essential role in collective training exercises on our installations. They support our role as an operational reserve and in meeting our goal of providing units at the appropriate level of readiness in their available year. Just as critical, TADSS also support our individual Soldier training at home station, local training areas, and institutions. The ARNG synchronizes the use of TADSS with Army Force Generation (ARFORGEN) to improve unit training proficiency and ensure combatant commanders receive trained units and proficient battle staffs in the time available. As an example, the ARNG achieves the training requirements of M1A1 Abrams and M2A2 Bradley equipped Brigade Combat Teams (BCT's) by using the Conduct of Fire Trainer-Situation Awareness (COFT-SA) and the Mobile-Conduct of Fire Trainer Situation Awareness (M-COFT-SA). The ARNG's geographical dispersion of units led to the development of the M-COFT-SA trainer as a mobile solution to meet training requirements. The savings in utilizing these simulations is significant. The estimated cost to operate an actual tank is $75 per mile. The estimated cost to operate a Tank Driver Trainer simulator is $2.50 per mile. According to the National Training and Simulations Association study the Army saved $2.5M training 2,200 Armor Soldiers. That is a savings of $1,136 per Soldier which equates to about 15 hours of training per tanker. Further, in tank gunnery, the introduction of the Conduct of Fire Trainer reduced the annual expenditure of ammunition from 134 to 100 rounds per tank while improving marksmanship. This resulted in an annual cost avoidance of approximately $29M. A range of other studies show that simulators are cost-effective for training and are a good investment. The cost of their procurement can be amortized in periods of one to four years. Question. What kinds of simulation training does the Guard have? What additional type of training could help maintain and sustain readiness? Answer. The Army National Guard (ARNG) uses virtual, constructive and gaming simulations to train everything from the individual Soldier tasks (such as weapons proficiency training, including day and night fire) to collective unit tasks (such as command post exercises or convoy trainers). The ARNG has a variety of simulations training that we use to enhance unit readiness. An increased fielding of Training Devices, Simulations and Simulators (TADSS) at home-station or company level will increase proficiency and sustain unit readiness by reducing travel time and increasing training time. Question: The Army has several simulation programs of record, including CCTT. Since this system entered the inventory, the Army has spent nearly $2.3B fielding it. How many of these simulators does the National Guard have in its inventory? Answer: The Army National Guard (ARNG) variant of the Close Combat Tactical Trainer (CCTT) is the Mobile CCTT. The ARNG has 12 M-CCTT sets consisting of six Bradley Fighting Vehicles and six Abrams tank configurations. One of the key challenges of funding the program is concurrency, which is the ability to upgrade simulators to match the specific capabilities of ARNG equipment. Funding is currently insufficient to maintain 100 percent concurrency across the ARNG and therefore program managers are required to prioritize sites for resourcing. Question. Knowing that Guard forces have a unique environment--high geographic dispersion and a fraction of the annual training days--Is it more cost-effective for you to buy Army POR or COTS systems? How does the training experience compare? Answer. The Army Program of Record (POR) offers a cost-effective solution through the use of the Joint Capabilities Integration and Development System (JCID) process. Since the entire lifecycle is integrated into the POR it can require a longer fielding time from initial development. The Commercial Off-The-Shelf (COTS) system provides a rapid-fielding capability. However, a COTS may require higher costs to sustain, elevates the risk of lack of interoperability with existing systems, and may increase total lifecycle management costs. Both procurement options offer the same training experience if the training requirement is identical, but COTS is usually reserved for a short term strategy to bridge to a program of record. [Clerk's note.--End of questions submitted by Mr. Cole. Questions submitted by Mr. Aderholt and the answers thereto follows:] Operational Requirements Question. We are fortunate in the US to have a military structure that allows us to maintain an active duty force along with a National Guard provided by the states and territories. One aspect of the National Guard structure is that we are able to have operational capabilities without the burden of active duty pay and benefits during a time of constrained budgets. There seems to be a point where we could negatively take advantage of the Guard by placing too many operational requirements on the Guard without providing the proper compensation. How do we strike the right balance between the military capabilities needed to achieve an active, ready status while also properly utilizing the Guard? Answer. In my conversations with Soldiers, Airmen and senior leaders across the National Guard, I have consistently been told that they are eager to continue to be employed in service to their country and to their states. More than 80% of the Army National Guardsmen in the force today have joined since 9/11. They joined with the expectation of active employment, and as the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan conclude, they continue to expect that they will receive opportunities to deploy, conduct exercises with our allies and our sister services, build partnerships with foreign nations, and challenge themselves and their units at the Army's premier combat training centers. Recruiting and retention in the force have been excellent, and we have no indication that our Soldiers feel that they are being taken advantage of by having operational requirements placed upon the Guard. Rather, they seek to continue to be employed. A proper balance of active and reserve capabilities will ensure that the Army National Guard remains operational through sustained manning, equipping and training, and is provided adequate resources to achieve the required training levels. This balance also provides operational and training opportunities for leader development, such as for the peacekeeping missions in the Sinai and Kosovo, to the Horn of Africa or as part of the air defenses of our national capital, to joint and multinational exercises or as rotations to Combat Training Centers. For our contingency missions, the Air Force strikes the appropriate balance between active, ready military capabilities and the proper utilization of the Air National Guard through our already in place 1:5 rotational structure and unit mobilization procedures. As a service, we are moving more towards unit mobilization as this ensures the proper compensation takes place. Involuntary mobilization also triggers our deploy-to-dwell tracking program, ensuring units and individuals do not arbitrarily exceed the 1:5 rotational construct we have put in place. The 187 FW in Montgomery, AL provides a great example of utilizing the involuntary mobilization construct in order to provide the proper compensation to the Air National Guard when filling critical Air Force operational requirements. As we continue to explore the idea of placing more operational capability in the Reserve Component, we should explore the barriers which limit the daily use of Air National Guard personnel and equipment. These barriers currently force the Air Force to operate within a paradigm that requires the use of full-time active duty manpower to cover missions and capabilities that could be accomplished more efficiently with a proper mix of full and part-time Airmen from the Air National Guard. The ANG state mobilization construct also creates efficiencies with our dual-use personnel and equipment making them available to Governors and other Civil Authorities when not already tasked to federal missions. Moving force structure and manpower from the active component to the reserve component provides an opportunity to meet demand with more capacity due to the cost effective nature of the reserve component. Combat forces within the Air National Guard are as ready and capable as its active duty counterparts, but at a fraction of the cost. As an example, a recent OSD CAPE report to Congress identified that an active component F16 unit costs $81.9M per year as compared to an ANG F16 unit at $56M per year. Civil Air Patrol Question. The President's FY15 budget request for the Civil Air Patrol is well below the levels enacted in the FY14 omnibus. How do the potential large cuts in the aircraft procurement account affect CAP's future ability to perform key functions, such as disaster relief or counterdrug and homeland security missions? Answer. The differences between the fiscal year 2014 omnibus and the fiscal year 2015 President's Budget request are the result of a congressional mark for Civil Air Patrol (CAP) in fiscal year 2014. The Air Force's portion of the fiscal year 2015 President's Budget request was the baseline extension from fiscal year 2014 with no reduction in the programmed request. The fiscal year 2014 markup enabled CAP to purchase additional aircraft, supplementing their procurement for that year, and placing newer aircraft in the fleet. The Air Force position is that in this fiscally constrained environment, the fiscal year 2015 President's Budget request sufficiently supports CAP's future ability to perform key functions, including disaster relief, counterdrug, and homeland security missions. The fiscal year 2014 National Defense Authorization Act requires the Secretary of the Air Force, in coordination with CAP, to produce a report on the optimum size, scope, and utilization of the CAP aircraft fleet. Our agencies are currently engaged, in concert with our stakeholders, on defining these requirements, which will further inform our interagency strategy for future use of the CAP. The Air Force understands and appreciates the value of our volunteer auxiliary, and we will continue to work as partners in meeting the requirements of federal, state and local officials for disaster relief, counterdrug, and homeland security support. Question. The Civil Air Patrol provides aircraft with high-tech sensors, which greatly reduce the per flight hour costs. To what degree do these savings, combined with utilizing CAP volunteers and other assets, result in significant savings to the government? Are there any disadvantages to utilizing these assets even more as compared to government aircraft? Answer. We know that utilizing the Civil Air Patrol (CAP) in its official Air Force Auxiliary capacity is fiscally responsible at a cost of approximately $200 per flying hour. Civil Air Patrol's status as a volunteer organization provides additional manpower savings to the government. The Air Force is currently drafting a report required by the fiscal year 2014 National Defense Authorization Act to evaluate the degree of potential savings that could be realized with an optimum size, scope, and utilization of the CAP aircraft fleet. As the official Air Force Auxiliary, we believe there is no disadvantage to utilizing CAP's personnel and equipment for appropriate missions (e.g., disaster relief, search and rescue, etc.), to support civil authorities when CAP's capabilities are an appropriate substitute for military assets. [Clerk's note.--End of questions submitted by Mr. Aderholt. Questions submitted by Mr. Carter and the answers thereto follows:] TACPOD Question. Discussion: In fiscal year 2011, Congress reprogrammed approximately $168MM to fund the Beyond Line of Sight Command and Control (BLOS C2) initiative for a DoD mission that was a Quick Reaction Capability (QRC) and Joint Emerging Operational Need (JEON). A portion of that BLOS C2 effort was TACPOD. TACPOD is an agile communications bridge in the sky designed to fly on MQ-9 Reapers and is designed to meet the need to optimize the real-time distribution of Full Motion Video (FMV) with a specific war-fighter requirement in mind. TACPOD meets that warfighter need by bridging video beyond line of sight from operators on the ground to decision makers hundreds of miles away and back again. TACPOD successfully completed full testing to a TRL Level 8 in July 2013, and was due to deploy to theater, but a lack of MQ-9 assets has prevented TACPOD from deploying despite in-theater requests for the capabilities. The U.S. Air Force funded and tested TACPOD, but with no assets available to fly the pods, the TACPODs are in storage at Hanscom AFB in Massachusetts. Both the 147th Reconnaissance Wing in Houston, TX and the 174th Attack Wing in Syracuse, NY are flying, or soon will fly, MQ-9 Reaper UAVs. Integrating TACPOD on to their MQ-9s will allow them to meet their demanding BLOS C2 requirements. Given that TACPOD meets both the need for BLOS C2 and extended range requirements both in overseas and domestic operations; how do you plan to implement TACPOD in your MQ-9 operations? Answer. Air National Guard (ANG) MQ-9 Reapers have a robust BLOS C2 capability in their current configuration. If the Air Force develops a Concept of Operations (CONOPs) for employment, the ANG will work to operationalize this capability. Until such time, the ANG has no plans to implement TACPOD in our MQ-9 operations. Question. Do you plan on including TACPODS on your NGREA list and putting them to use in FY15? Answer. The Air National Guard (ANG) spends National Guard and Reserve Account (NGREA) funds on validated Air Force and Combatant Commander requirements vetted through a forum of Reserve Component and Active Duty warfighters at our annual Weapons and Tactics conference. If our MQ-9 warfighters determine the TACPOD is critical to mission accomplishment in the upcoming 2014 WEPTAC in October, and it meets validated requirements, then TACPOD would be considered for FY15 NGREA if Congress appropriates NGREA. [Clerk's note.--End of questions submitted by Mr. Carter. Question submitted by Mr. Frelinghuysen and the answers thereto follow:] Authority of the Chief Question. The Chief of the National Guard Bureau is nominated for appointment by the President, this officer has met the requirements as determined by defense secretary and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, under the advice and/or recommendation from their respective state governors and their service secretary. The nominee is confirmed by a majority vote of the Senate, and is appointed a member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Currently, the Chief of Staff of the Army recommends the nominee to be the Director of the Army National Guard. The Chief of Staff of the Air Force recommends the nominee to be the Director of the Air Guard. General Grass, if you and the Chiefs of Staff of the Army and the Air Force hold equal positions on the Joint Chiefs, then why do you not make the nominee recommendation for the Director positions? Are there other inequities that you, as a new member of the Joint Chiefs do not equally share? Answer. Under current law, the Secretaries of the Army and Air Force select the Directors and Deputy Directors of the Army and Air National Guard respectively. The National Guard Bureau has been working closely with the Department of Defense to ensure the position of the Chief of the National Guard Bureau is afforded equal treatment in all aspects with members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. U.S. Northern Command Question. United States Northern Command (USNORTHCOM) is a Unified Combatant Command of the U.S. military tasked with providing military support for civil authorities in the U.S., and protecting the territory and national interests of the United States within the contiguous United States, Alaska, Canada, Mexico. USNORTHCOM was created following the September 11 attacks. In case of national emergency, natural or man-made, NORTHCOM's Emergency Preparedness Directorate will take charge of the situation or event. General Grass, given your previous position as the Deputy Commander of U.S. Northern Command, you are uniquely qualified to address this commands role. Aren't the functions previously mentioned tasks that the Guard does on a daily basis? Answer. NORAD and USNORTHCOM have two primary missions--Homeland Defense and Defense Support of Civil Authorities. Homeland Defense missions such as Air Combat Alert, and Missile Defense are best planned and executed by NORAD and USNORTHCOM under presidential control. To my knowledge there is no Emergency Preparedness Directorate at USNORTHCOM. The National Guard is primarily a part-time workforce under Governor control. Long-standing relationships with civic leaders throughout 3,000 communities nationwide enable the National Guard to quickly respond to domestic emergencies in support of civil authorities. The vast majority of the National Guard's domestic response is done in state status and that makes the National Guard the military first responder for the nation--which is a little different than NORTHCOM's focus. Question. Whether the functions are identical to the Guard's homeland mission or not, would it not be beneficial for a Guard general officer to be nominated for the Commander position at USNORTHCOM? Answer. The USNORTHCOM Commander should be the best qualified individual general officer based on experience, leadership and judgment. 10 U.S.C. 164(e)(4) requires ``at least one deputy commander of the combatant command the geographic area of responsibility of which includes the United States shall be a qualified officer of the National Guard who is eligible for promotion to the grade of 0-9, unless a National Guard officer is serving as commander of that combatant command.'' This provision ensures that, at a minimum, the Deputy Commander of USNORTHCOM will have extensive experience serving in the National Guard, providing the possibility of a National Guard general officer to serve as the Combatant Commander. An Army or Air National Guard nominee for the command of USNORTHCOM would possess a deep understanding of the interaction of federal, state, local and non-governmental agencies during a range of emergency responses, an understanding forged over a career of working under both federal and state command. Most senior Guard officers are veterans of multiple state call ups, and those who have served as adjutants general have served as cabinet-level officials in their states, many responsible for managing emergency services. These experiences would give a Guard general officer serving as the USNORTHCOM commander valuable understanding and credibility when dealing with the Governors with whom he or she must regularly work. The bulk of forces which USNORTHCOM works with on a daily basis, as well as those forces designated for USNORTHCOM alignment in major contingencies, are drawn from the Army and Air National Guard. Together the Army and Air Guard make up more than 50% of the reserve structure in the Department of Defense. While exceptionally capable officers, none of the commanders assigned to USNORTHCOM since its inception in 2002 have spent a significant portion of their career working with National Guard forces or responded to a domestic emergency as part of a state force. Finally, assignment of a National Guard officer to this position would be a further indication of the Department of Defense's commitment to the Total Force policy, demonstrating that even the most senior levels of command are open to officers regardless of component. Commission on the Structure of the Army Question. Mr. Wilson of South Carolina, Mr. Cole (of this Subcommittee) and others introduced a bill which was referred to the Committee on Armed Services to establish a commission on the Structure of the Army. This bill limits funding available to the Army in fiscal year 2015 that would be used to divest, retire, or transfer any aircraft or personnel (at levels below 350,000) assigned to the Army National Guard. The Commission, appointed by the President, and the Committees on Armed Services ``shall undertake a comprehensive study of the structure of the Army to determine the proper force mixture of the active component and reserve component, and how the structure should be modified to best fulfill current and anticipated mission requirements for the Army in a manner consistent with available resources and estimated future resources.'' The Commission is to submit its report by February 2016. General Grass, what is your opinion on the results of the previously commissioned Structure of the Air Force Commission and do you believe that this was a worthwhile endeavor? Answer. The Commission on the Structure of the Air Force has been an unqualified success in providing an external evaluation and perspective on the mix of active and reserve forces in the US Air Force. It has provided a valuable roadmap forward for how the Air Force should approach future force structure decisions. We believe there is a great deal of symmetry between many of the recommendations from the Commission on the Structure of the Air Force and what our Air Force proposes for its way ahead. We are currently working with the Air Force and the Air Force Reserve through the Total Force Continuum Office to look at implementation strategies for the NCSAF's recommendations. The efforts of the National Commission on the Structure of the Air Force were tremendous and provide a solid foundation for helping the Total Air Force grow together and become more efficient and effective in the future. Question. The Committee understands that funding constraints will mean that the Army will have to make significant changes to the end strength and force structure across all three of its components. As we've seen in the press, and have been briefed, there are varied opinions about what those changes should ultimately entail. Most likely you are taking all of this feedback into account as you ponder the various options before you. However, I would specifically like to know what you are hearing from the nation's governors, who serve as the commanders-in-chief of the National Guards of their states and territories on a day-to-day basis. What are Governors telling you, and how is their input effecting the decisions you are making about the future of the Army and the Army Guard? Answer. The concerns of the nation's governors, as they have been related to me personally and through the adjutants general, are consistent with those expressed in the February 28, 2014, letter from the National Governors Association to President Obama. The governors recognize the need to reduce spending to meet budget obligations. Governors are concerned, however, by the current proposed cuts to Army Guard personnel and air combat capability. The governors have stated that they want to see the operational capability of the Army National Guard preserved, and expressed a desire to maintain the Army National Guard at its pre-war end strength of 350,000--a level it is programmed to reach at the end of fiscal year 2015. The governors also endorsed the results of the recently concluded National Commission on the Structure of the Air Force and advocated for a similar review of the Army's force structure and active/reserve mix. Question. Generals, the Air Force has really endorsed much of the findings of the Commission on the Air Force, especially the plan to shift more capabilities and missions into the National Guard. Wouldn't a similar Commission benefit the Army as we begin to restructure the size of the Army? Answer. If directed, we should not fear a critical examination of our enterprise. Any Commission though should be prepared for a review of the Total Army--not just one single component. We should look for opportunities to review not just force structure and end strength, but other significant issues such as mobilization processes as part of the Army's Total Force Policy. We should be forward looking and incorporate new global security threats as well as emerging vulnerabilities in the homeland. The Budget Control Act (BCA) is still the law and we must anticipate executing our missions within BCA funding levels. Therefore, we should be prepared to answer any questions related to whether these reductions contribute to; the erosion of combat capabilities; the degradation of skill qualification; an increase in strategic risk to our ability to execute Operational Plans; an acceleration in equipment degradation; or, further degradation of an already aging infrastructure. From an Air Guard perspective, we believe our Air Force is going to rely more, not less, on our National Guard and Reserves. This makes sense from not only a mission standpoint, but from an economic standpoint. We believe there is a great deal of symmetry between many of the recommendations from the Commission on the Structure of the Air Force and what our Air Force proposes for its way ahead. The Air Force is actively reviewing the 42 recommendations and the Air Force's Total Force Continuum staff is already working to implement 19 of them. Staffing action plans are being developed for the remaining recommendations. While the issues facing the Army and the Air Force differ to a degree, the Air Force commission demonstrated the value of an outside look at how a military service evaluates its strategy and force structure to balance its components. To be of true value, any proposed commission on the structure of the Army should, like the Air Force commission, be a holistic review of all three components. In addition, it should review the Total Army's ability to execute its requirements under Budget Control Act funding levels. Question. Generals, the Air Force has really endorsed much of the findings of the Commission on the Air Force, especially the plan to shift more capabilities and missions into the National Guard. Wouldn't a similar Commission benefit the Army as we begin to restructure the size of the Army? Answer. The Army Reserve believes that a Commission like the one used for the Air Force is unnecessary. The Army has already carefully weighed force mix decisions, including all three components of the Total Army. The Army has presented a plan which includes input from the Combatant Commanders and the Joint Staff, and has been reviewed by the Secretary of the Army and Secretary of Defense. I have collaborated with Army Staff and our position regarding force mix decisions is consistent. The Army Reserve has been a full partner in the analysis of strategic requirements and the development of budgets that balance the contributions of all components. While the Air Force required a special commission to identify what is best for that service and its components, a similar commission for the Army is costly, unwarranted and unnecessary. The Army has arrived at conclusions based on careful analysis that provides the best security and value to the nation. HMMWV Modernization Initiative Question. This Committee strongly supports the National Guard and relies on the expertise of our Adjutants General to help understand their needs and challenges in meeting their mission. The Committee has sought to provide units returning from Iraq and Afghanistan with the proper equipment for training and responding to domestic emergencies. One example of this effort is the HMMWV Modernization Initiative funded by the Committee in both fiscal years 2013 and 2014. I want to commend you and the Army for establishing an innovative public-private partnership between industry and Red River Army Depot that will result in state-of-the-art vehicles for Guard units across the country. These like-new HIMIMWVs will produce significant enhancements in vehicle capability at the lowest possible cost, while utilizing the expertise of our partners in the defense industrial base. As this program has taken shape, it is my understanding that the Bureau has identified an even wider array of older HIVIMWVs that require modernization through this process in order to fill near and longer term capability gaps in Guard units. Generals Grass and Lyons, given that the HIVIMWV will remain an integral part of your vehicle fleet until at least 2030, can you talk about how this program will help achieve greater levels of readiness and mission success both here at home and in future contingencies overseas? Answer. Once approved, the Public Private Partnership (PPP) for High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles (HMMWV) modernization will take approximately 900 of the Army National Guard's (ARNG) armored HMIMWVs and update them to incorporate the newest modification improvements. The program also replaces HMIMWV chassis, reestablishing them as new vehicles, and extending their life. In effect, it takes a portion of the ARNGs I-IMMWVs and increases capabilities. This has the effect of improving the readiness of this segment of the HMMWV fleet for both domestic and overseas missions. The ARNG is working closely with the Army to further modernize the fleet and address the most urgent capability gaps. Review of Reserve Mobilization Question. Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has suggested the military review the ability of the reserve component to mobilize quickly when needed. His comments are linked to the possibility that active-component Army forces fall to 420,000 as a cost-saving measure. His comments note that ``U.S. military response to aggression most often begins in the air or maritime domains,'' but usually concludes with a commitment of land forces. ``Therefore, our QDR land forces will need to be even better organized, trained and equipped for the full spectrum of 21st century challenges,'' he wrote. ``Moreover, since time is a defining factor in the commitment of land forces, I strongly recommend a comprehensive review of the nation's ability to mobilize its existing reserves as well as its preparedness for the potential of national mobilization.'' One could interpret Dempsey's comments as saying, ``a way must be found to access and train the National Guard and Reserve more quickly than in the past.'' Generals, These comments would suggest that the National Guard cannot perform at the same level as the Active Component and won't be able to counter complex threats without a period of preparation prior to deployment. In 2005 the National Guard made up about 43 percent of the forces in Iraq and 55 percent in Afghanistan--and more than 50,000 Guardsmen responded to Hurricane Katrina. Could you please give me your thoughts on those statements. Answer. More than a decade of conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan has amply demonstrated the National Guard's ability to perform every mission it was given. We are not aware of any metric maintained within the Department of Defense that demonstrates Army National Guard units performed at a lower level than units of the other Army components. In fact, one of the most frequent comments made about our units and Soldiers was that, once in the field, they were indistinguishable from their active component and Army Reserve counterparts. We firmly believe that this is true, and that it demonstrates the profound success of the Total Army concept that the United States Army has worked hard to achieve for decades. Army National Guard units do require some period of preparation prior to deployment, due to lower readiness expectations which compound their cost effectiveness when not mobilized. The length of pre- deployment preparation varies depending on pre-mobilization readiness, the type of unit and its mission. Once validated, Guard units deploy at the same level of readiness as their active component counterparts. The Army has significantly reduced post-mobilization training time for its reserve component units as additional investments were made in pre- deployment readiness and post-mobilization training has been streamlined. As a result, the number of post-mobilization training days declined by 60 percent between fiscal years 2006-2012, and all but the largest units assigned the most tactically difficult missions averaged less than 45 days of post-mobilization training prior to deployment. The Army National Guard will be as ready as it is resourced. Due to the Army and Air Guard's dispersion across more than 3,000 communities, our experience working with local emergency responders and the accessibility of the Guard by the governors for employment as a state asset, the Army National Guard remains the military force of choice for domestic response. Through Emergency Management Assistance Compacts, governors can call on additional assets from neighboring states to respond to complex catastrophes at home. The Army Guard can do this even in the midst of a war because of the depth of domestic response capability and capacity resident in its units. As your question indicates, at no time was this capacity more evident than in September 2005 when some 50,000 Army Guardsmen deployed to Gulf Coast states in the space of a week, even though another 80,000 were deployed overseas. The Air National Guard is trained, equipped and resourced to the same level of readiness as the Active Component. We are an essential partner in the daily operations of the Total Air Force in all five core missions: air & space superiority; intelligence, surveillance, & reconnaissance; rapid global mobility; global strike, and command & control. Last year, over 39,895 Air National Guard men and women deployed to 48 countries as part of the Total Air Force defense of U.S. national security interests. Additionally, Guard Airmen defended the skies over our homeland and supported their deployed brethren through U.S.-based ``reach-back'' capabilities including remotely piloted aircraft operations and intelligence analysis. Question. Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has suggested the military review the ability of the reserve component to mobilize quickly when needed. His comments are linked to the possibility that active-component Army forces fall to 420,000 as a cost-saving measure. His comments note that ``U.S. military response to aggression most often begins in the air or maritime domains,'' but usually concludes with a commitment of land forces. ``Therefore, our QDR land forces will need to be even better organized, trained and equipped for the frill spectrum of 21st century challenges,'' he wrote. ``Moreover, since time is a defining factor in the commitment of land forces, I strongly recommend a comprehensive review of the nation's ability to mobilize its existing reserves as well as its preparedness for the potential of national mobilization.'' One could interpret Dempsey's comments as saying, ``a way must be found to access and train the National Guard and Reserve more quickly than in the past.'' Generals, These comments would suggest that the National Guard cannot perform at the same level as the Active Component and won't be able to counter complex threats without a period of preparation prior to deployment. In 2005 the National Guard made up about 43 percent of the forces in Iraq and 55 percent in Afghanistan--and more than 50,000 Guardsmen responded to Hurricane Katrina. Could you please give me your thoughts on those statements. Answer. As the Chief of the Army Reserve, I cannot speak for the ARNG but would only say that we are both a critical and vital component of the nation's overall defense strategy. As for the Army Reserves ability to respond--GEN Dempsey's comments are spot on. The ability of America's Armed forces, Active Guard and Reserve to respond to a domestic or global crisis is crucial to the nation's credibility as a global power. To ensure that the Army Reserve will always be relevant and ready, almost 10 years ago we embarked on a strategy that sought to bring Army Reserve Forces to a higher state of readiness prior to mobilization. This strategy working in coordination with the Army's Force Generation (ARFORGEN) process now enables us bring a significant portion of our force to a higher state of readiness for a one year rotational period thus allowing the Army Reserve to respond globally more rapidly than ever before.During the past decade the Army Reserve has reduced post- mobilization training time by 40%. As a result units have been deploying much more rapidly. Fewer days at mobilization stations means less days of mobilization and reduced expenditures for the Nation. Army Reserve units now spend, on average, 41 days at mobilization stations conducting post-mobilization training before deployment. While some of our units spend as few as 7 days at mobilization stations performing post-mobilization training before deployment, others spend up to 62 days at mobilization stations performing post-mobilization training before deployment. Training is tailored based on theater requirements. The Bottom-Line is--now more than ever we can and do ready and deploy Army Reserve Forces more rapidly than ever before in the history of our force. Question. Generals could you please explain the federal role of the Reserve Components. Would you say that the Army is trying to change the fundamental structure of the Reserve Components by beginning to bring combat arms out of the reserves and into the active component? Answer. The federal role for the Reserve Components is articulated in two places in the US Code. Title 10, US Code, Section 10102, states the purpose of Reserve Components is ``. . . to provide trained units and qualified persons available for active duty in the armed forces, in time of war or national emergency, and at such other times as the national security may require, to fill the needs of the armed forces whenever more units and persons are needed than are in the regular components.'' Congress further defined the purpose of the National Guard in Title 32, US Code, Section 102: General Policy: ``In accordance with the traditional military policy of the United States, it is essential that the strength and organization of the Army National Guard and the Air National Guard as an integral part of the first line defenses of the United States be maintained and assured at all times.'' While modern combat has blurred the concept of ``front'' versus ``rear'' area troops, the traditional conception of the battlefield Congress evoked viewed the first line defenses as those which are directly engaged in combat. The Army National Guard proudly embraces its long history of combat service from colonial times through the most recent conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan. Our troops have always been in the first line defenses of this nation, and shall remain SO. The Army has stated that the rationale behind the Aviation Restructure Initiative is to meet the modernization needs for the Armed Reconnaissance Helicopter. Additional reasons include higher availability of active component forces for short notice missions. Question. Generals could you please explain the federal role of the Reserve Components. Would you say that the Army is trying to change the fundamental structure of the Reserve Components by beginning to bring combat arms out of the reserves and into the active component? Answer. Title 10, US Code: the purpose of each reserve component is to provide trained units and qualified persons available for active duty in the armed forces, in time of war or national emergency, and at such other times as the national security may require, to fill the needs of the armed forces whenever, during and after the period needed to procure and train additional units and qualified persons to achieve the planned mobilization, more units and persons are needed than are in the regular components. The federal role of the Army Reserve is to provide trained, equipped, ready and accessible Soldiers, leaders, and units to the Army in support of Unified Land Operations, Combatant Commands, and the Nation. Further the Army Reserve provides unique capabilities to the Army and the Joint Force not present in the National Guard or Active Component. I cannot speak to what force structure changes the ARNG and the larger Army are jointly contemplating nor can I say that the Army is trying to change the fundamental structure of the Reserve Components regarding combat arms. We have only a very small contingent of combat arms. We have one light infantry battalion stationed in the pacific and we are fully cooperating with the Army's plan to convert our 2 Attack Helicopters to Assault Helicopter battalions. We are not divesting our one infantry/combat arms battalion and the Army's Aviation Restructure Initiative is in fact helping complement the Army Reserves core competencies of combat support and combat service support. I will say we are proud to be a part of the total force and would point out our role in providing a significant portion of the Army's CS and CSS forces. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Support & sustainment capabilities USAR % ARNG % AC % ------------------------------------------------------------------------ JAG.................................... 94 6 0 Chaplain............................... 80 20 0 Civil Affairs.......................... 77 0 23 Military History....................... 75 22 3 Quartermaster.......................... 66 16 18 Mil Info Spt Ops....................... 61 0 39 Postal & Personnel..................... 61 0 39 Medical................................ 59 16 25 Information Ops........................ 48 43 9 Chemical............................... 43 35 22 Transportation......................... 43 39 18 Public Affairs......................... 41 45 14 Engineers.............................. 30 47 23 Military Intelligence.................. 26 20 54 Military Police........................ 24 45 31 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ We are also proud to be the nation's most economical force. We Provide 19% of the Army Force for 6% of the Army budget. The Bottom-Line for the Army Reserve is that we are proud of our role in providing critical and key enablers to the total force and we continue to thrive in our role as the major provider of unique capabilities for the Total Army and Joint Forces. Proportionate Cuts Versus Strategic Cuts Question. The Department of Defense is making hard decisions about programs and cuts throughout DOD, however the Committee is concerned that these decisions are often being made based on fairness and proportionality rather than strategy and cost. Generals, would you address whether the services can retain more capability in the reserve components than in the active component at a lesser cost? Answer. Numerous studies both internal and external to the Department of Defense have consistently found that reserve component forces provide both military capability and capacity for the nation at a substantial savings. In its December 2013 report to Congress, ``Unit Cost and Readiness for the Active and Reserve Components,'' the Office of the Secretary of Defense established that an Army National Guard Brigade Combat Team costs about 24% of an active component BCT when in dwell (that is, when not mobilized). The same OSD report establishes that, even when mobilized to full-time active duty for a year, a reserve component service member costs 85-90% of his or her active component counterpart, due to differences in benefit availability and utilization as well as retirement compensation. The Reserve Forces Policy Board calculated the fully burdened cost of a reserve component member to be about 31% of an active component member. Further, Combat forces within the Air National Guard are as ready and capable as its active duty counterparts, but at a fraction of the cost. As an example, a recent OSD CAPE report to congress identified that an active component F-16 unit costs $81.9M per year as compared to an Air National Guard F-16 unit at $56M per year. There are differences in capability between reserve component and active component units. The most cited is the amount of time it takes to bring a reserve component unit to full readiness after mobilization, due to lower readiness expectations which compound their cost effectiveness when not mobilized. The length of pre-deployment preparation varies depending on pre-mobilization readiness, the type of unit and its mission. Once validated, Guard units deploy at the same level of readiness as their active component counterparts. The Army has significantly reduced post-mobilization training time for its reserve component units as additional investments were made in pre-deployment readiness and post-mobilization training has been streamlined. As a result, the number of post-mobilization training days declined by 60 percent between fiscal years 2006-2012, and all but the largest units assigned the most tactically difficult missions averaged less than 45 days of post-mobilization training prior to deployment. Question. Generals, would you address whether the services can retain more capability in the reserve components than in the active component at a lesser cost? Answer. The Army Reserve provides a tremendous value to the nation. The recent ``Active and Reserve Component Units of the Armed Forces Report to Congress'' highlights specific cost analysis demonstrating the value of the Reserve Component to the nation. The Army Reserve provides 20 percent of the Army's force structure for only 5.8 percent of the Army budget In fact most of the Total Army's support and sustainment capabilities, such as our legal support, chaplains, civil affairs, logistics, public affairs, and medical expertise are in the Army Reserve. We are embedded in every Army Service Component Command and Combatant Command. The Army's proposal adequately balances the importance of costs, readiness, responsiveness, and requirements while providing the most effective and efficient force for the budget allocated. The ``Active and Reserve Component Units of the Armed Forces Report to Congress'' demonstrates the efficiency and cost effectiveness of the Army Reserve as an enabling force. Army Reserve personnel costs are minimal when the force is not mobilized. The efficient use of the Army Reserve yields significant cost savings to the nation while mitigating strategic risk. Question. Is this capability as reliable as that provided by active forces--or is there a mix? Answer. Absolutely. In the past dozen years of conflict, the Army National Guard (ARNG) has never failed at a mission. These missions include the most complex tasks performed by the Army's largest combat formations, with the sole exception of the initial invasion of Iraq, which was conducted by six active Army maneuver brigades. Since 2003, the ARNG has deployed Brigade Combat Teams to Iraq or Afghanistan 47 times for missions that spanned the full spectrum of operations, from host nation training, advising and assisting through security force missions to counter-insurgency operations. ARNG Apache attack- reconnaissance battalions deployed 12 times to Iraq or Afghanistan, performing the same demanding missions their active component counterparts performed. Once pre-deployment training is completed, Army National Guard units are validated using the same metrics applied to active component units. Numerous senior leaders have told our Guardsmen that their performance in the field cannot be distinguished from that of their active component counterparts. History struggles to show any time where capability was required from the Reserve Component and it was not provided in time to meet the demand. The readiness of the Air National Guard is unique in the fact that the Air National Guard trains to the same state of readiness as the Active Component, is inspected to the same standards, and has a proven track record of performance on equal with our Active Components counterparts. In fact, recent history illustrates where the Reserve Component responded because the Active Component could not. Operation Odyssey Dawn beginning in March of 2011 demonstrated the speed and agility by which the Air National Guard answered the Nation's call to help protect Libyan civilians from their government regime's violence. Within 48 hours of a phone call from then AMC Commander, Gen Ray Johns, Brig Gen Roy Uptegraff was in-country leading ANG tanker efforts for the 406th AEW's mission. The ARC is every bit as reliable and capable as active forces. Question. Is this capability as reliable as that provided by active forces--or is there a mix? Answer. The Army Reserve provides complementary capabilities to the Active Component, including the majority of combat support and sustainment units. Annually, we can provide a sustained rate of 27k trained and ready Soldiers. When used in an operational capacity, we are as capable as the other components. Over the last ten years the Army Reserve has evolved in its training and readiness preparation. We are now a fully integrated, operational force that supports the Total Army. Our units are integrated into many Combatant Command contingency plans and the Army Reserve participates in training exercises around the world. Citizen- Soldiers proudly stand ready to respond with the same professionalism and readiness we have learned to expect of our Total Army, regardless of component. Question. As we look at the threats faced today and may face in the future, a strong and vibrant force with more capability and capacity to surge makes sense. Can that be done with a large Reserve Component? Can you explain the rationale of active and reserve forces balance offered in this budget request considering our challenges? Answer. An appropriately sized larger Reserve Component can provide a stronger and more vibrant force with greater capability and capacity to surge in today's fiscally-constrained environment than a more robust Active Component force. Throughout the past 13 years of combat, the National Guard has demonstrated that can provide the capability needed to support our military requirements and is ideally suited to rapidly provide the Services with additional capacity when needed. For example, in Iraq, Army National Guard brigades took on a heavy share of the combat in 2005 while the active Army was in the process of transforming its brigades to the new modular Brigade Combat Team structure following the first year of war. During the Spring of 2005, the Army National Guard provided 8 of 15 combat brigades in Iraq. The immense capacity resident in the Army National Guard--which contains 39 percent of the Army's deployable units--is a vital national asset, a hedge against an uncertain future where active component forces alone are unlikely to prove sufficient to conduct a sustained land war. The Air Force, the Air National Guard, and the Air Force Reserve are working closely through the Total Force Continuum to understand and implement the necessary changes that are required to provide the appropriate balance. The challenge we face today, is getting us to the right balance of active and reserve component force structure without creating undue risk to the Total Air Force or our great Nation as a whole. Question. As we look at the threats faced today and may face in the future, a strong and vibrant force with more capability and capacity to surge makes sense. Can that be done with a large Reserve Component? Can you explain the rationale of active and reserve forces balance offered in this budget request considering our challenges? Answer. The current budget request sustains the training and readiness of Army Reserve structure, providing the Total Army with the unique enabling capacity to meet the defense needs of the nation. Throughout Operations Iraqi Freedom and Enduring Freedom the Army Reserve has demonstrated its ability to meet to the Army's surge requirements. Additionally, the Army Reserve is closely integrated in the Total Army Training Validation (TATV) process. Whenever and wherever it's needed, the Army Reserve can be relied upon to perform its assigned missions effectively and professionally. [Clerk's note.--End of questions submitted by Mr. Frelinghuysen.] Friday, April 4, 2014. TESTIMONY OF MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WITNESSES HON. ANN WAGNER, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF MISSOURI HON. PAUL COOK, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA HON. MARTHA ROBY, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF ALABAMA HON. DENNY HECK, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF WASHINGTON HON. BRADLEY BYRNE, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF ALABAMA HON. STEVEN PALAZZO, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF MISSISSIPPI HON. REID RIBBLE, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF WISCONSIN HON. DAVID JOLLY, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF FLORIDA HON. SAM FARR, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA HON. DEVIN NUNES, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA HON. RON BARBER, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF ARIZONA HON. RICHARD HUDSON, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA HON. RON DESANTIS, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF FLORIDA HON. COLLEEN HANABUSA, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF HAWAII Opening Statement of Chairman Frelinghuysen Mr. Frelinghuysen. Good morning. The committee will come to order. This morning, the committee holds an open hearing during which Members of the House of Representatives are invited to bring their concerns and issues regarding the future posture and force structure for the Department of Defense directly to our attention. My ranking member and I are here today to take testimony from our colleagues in an effort to provide maximum Member participation as we work to draft the Department of Defense appropriations bill for fiscal year 2015. At this time, I would like to yield to the ranking member for any statement or comments he may wish to make. Opening Statement of Mr. Visclosky Mr. Visclosky. I do. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. One, I very, very much appreciate that you are holding a hearing to hear the views of our colleagues. I appreciate that very much. I also appreciate the fact that our colleagues have taken the time and the trouble to appear today. The Appropriations Committee is charged with a very important responsibility, and that is to make decisions over about $1 trillion worth of funding to operate, as effectively and as efficiently, the greatest government on the planet Earth. Your testimony today will be very helpful to the members of this subcommittee, as far as the appropriations of money for the Department of Defense, to make those decisions as wisely as possible. So I really appreciate the input of the Members. And I deeply thank the chairman for taking the time to invite our colleagues, to hear their views, as far as the budget within our purview. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Well, thank you. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Our first colleague, Ms. Wagner, from Missouri, thank you for being with us, starting us off this morning. The floor is yours. Summary Statement of Congresswoman Wagner Mrs. Wagner. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. And I thank the ranking member for also taking the time and the courtesy today to hear about all these important defense priorities. And I would like to talk about one, in particular, for the United States Navy, our Nation, which is the EA-18G Growler. The 2014 Quadrennial Defense Review notes, and I quote, ``In the coming years, countries such as China will continue seeking to counter U.S. strength using anti-access and area- denial approaches.'' Now, full-spectrum airborne electronic attack has been identified by the Navy and the Department of Defense as a critical and required capability for our forces to effectively and successfully operate in these challenging environments. As the Chief of Naval Operations, Admiral Jonathan Greenert, has stated, control of the electromagnetic spectrum is critical to the warfighting mission today and in the future. As you know, the Growler is the Nation's only full-spectrum airborne electronic attack aircraft. It provides this unique capability off of Navy aircraft carriers and provides support for Joint Force land bases. It is truly the tip of the spear as our forces enter into contested air environments. Recognizing that there is a warfighting need, the CNO submitted an unfunded priority for 22 additional Growlers for congressional consideration of the fiscal year 2015 defense appropriations. The stakes are quite high, and the time to act, I hope, is now. Without additional Growlers to meet the Navy's unfunded priority, it is likely that the F-18 manufacturing line will shutter. To avoid this very predicament, last year Congress added $75 million in advance procurement funds for the F-18 in the fiscal year 2014 defense appropriations act, enough for 22 aircraft. Another critical consideration is the Nation's defense industrial base for tactical aviation. Today, there are multiple providers for tactical aviation, sophisticated tactical radars, and Strike Fighter engines. With the end of the F/A-18 production, however, DOD will be left with only a single manufacturer in each one of these areas. This scenario limits warfighting surge capacity, it eliminates competition that drives innovation and cost control, and imperils future development programs. Moreover, the F-18 program supports American manufacturing, including 60,000 jobs, 800 different suppliers and vendors, and provides $3 billion in annual economic impact. For these reasons, I have authored a House letter to your subcommittee asking for consideration of the Navy's unfunded priority of additional Growlers. I hope it demonstrates to you that there is a broad support for this request across Congress to support both the warfighter and the defense industrial base. I look forward to working with the subcommittee and supporting the appropriations process as it moves through the House of Representatives. And I thank you. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Thank you, Ms. Wagner. And your letter and your presence testify to the importance of this program. We really appreciate your taking the time. Mrs. Wagner. I have a son on those front lines, who is a West Point graduate, who serves in the 101st Airborne. And our military readiness is of the utmost importance to me, not just as an American and a Member of Congress but as a mom too. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Both of us, we are proud of your son's service---- Mrs. Wagner. Thank you. Mr. Frelinghuysen [continuing]. And so many remarkable young men and women. Thank you so much for being with us. Mr. Visclosky. Thank you very much. [The written statement of Congresswoman Wagner follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Mr. Frelinghuysen. Representative Paul Cook. Marines never retire, but welcome. Mr. Cook. That is affirmative, sir. Mr. Frelinghuysen. The floor is yours. Summary Statement of Congressman Cook Mr. Cook. Good morning, Mr. Chair, Ranking Member Visclosky. I do have to--the ranking member's comments about appropriations and everything else, I hope I can get a copy of this so I can give to my wife so she will appropriate more money for my budget every month. We have--but that is another story. Mapping and geographic data are critical elements in planning and conducting combat missions and ensuring our troops are aware of their surroundings. Today, this data is provided to our military by the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, or NGA. NGA's products give the most complete data, allowing each service to access the information across a variety of handheld and mobile platforms. In remote environments, such as the mountains of Afghanistan, an accurate map can be the difference between life and death. Following the attacks of the September 11th, 2001, the intelligence community struggled to distribute information in a timely manner to those responsible for our safety. The challenge of providing high-quality, accessible mapping data in support of DOD operations was resolved by turning to the private sector for advanced mapping software. Today, cell phones place virtually unlimited information at our fingertips. In fiscal year 2002, this committee provided $15 million for the Commercial Joint Mapping Toolkit, which was competitively sourced and provided this information in a cost- efficient manner. The goal was to provide connectivity and interoperability between the users and providers of mapping data while minimizing costs for DOD. Twelve years later, this goal has been achieved. Today, the Commercial Joint Mapping Toolkit is used in 56 DOD programs of record. Recognizing its value, the NGA is currently extending the program through December 31st, 2015. After that, the future is unclear. I understand the NGA has not yet announced a plan for follow-up to Congress or DOD, and the committee needs to know what is being planned. I have serious concerns it is changing its approach to the mission of providing this key data. The agency is building an online map of the world, which centralizes all intelligence data analysis, and it is touted as tailored for DOD and intel sectors. That is the core of my concern. The agency is not saying ``tailored for warfighters.'' While decision-makers far from the front lines have a need for information, it is never as severe as the need on the battlefield. Today, this program is a success because mapping data and toolkit software are accessible to DOD at no charge. Obviously, budget constraints have made this--who knows what is going to go on. If NGA stops providing this data at no cost, the committee will almost certainly receive larger appropriation requests, as the DOD attempts to build its own capability. And, obviously, this could have an overall impact on the troops that go into harm's way. I am asking this committee to again take the lead on this important issue. And, just personally, you know, many years ago, I joined the Marine Corps. I was an infantry officer. And people asked what I did, and I said I was the most dangerous weapon in the world. And that was, I was a second lieutenant with a map and a compass. And, unfortunately, there is a lot of truth in that, in that if you are out there in a strange environment and you don't know where you are, those troops and everything else, calling in artillery, air, it is very, very dangerous. So I am very, very concerned about that for those people that go in harm's way. This is a program not as expensive as some of the others, but, you know, some are just very, very important. I would just like to add, as a historian--I know that we have a number of historians. If you look back at the Battle of Shiloh, April 1862, when the famous general--well, he wasn't famous after the battle. Lew Wallace was supposed to arrive at the Battle of Shiloh; he got lost. And a lot had to do with the maps, the terrain, and everything like that. And, of course, the North almost lost that pivotal battle and could have conceivably lost the war. So the consequences are tremendous. And I appreciate the committee allowing me to speak. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Mr. Visclosky. Mr. Visclosky. Mr. Chairman, if I could, I appreciate that the Member is not necessarily asking for money for NGA but for appropriate funding for, as you say in your testimony, the soldiers and Marines who are in the field. So I do appreciate that is your primary concern. I must tell you, though, you were doing terrific until you mentioned Lew Wallace getting lost. As an Indiana resident, I don't know who prepared that statement. Mr. Cook. Well, I knew you were going to ask that, sir. And, of course, we all know that Lew Wallace was instrumental at the Battle of Monocacy, where he was placed in obscurity, and, quite frankly, he saved the Union at that famous battle. And I am sure you have all gone out to the battlefield to learn more. Mr. Visclosky. Thank you so much. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Yeah, thank you, Paul, for being here. And thank you for your service in Vietnam---- Mr. Cook. Thank you very much. Mr. Frelinghuysen [continuing]. And bringing these concerns to our attention. Mr. Cook. Thank you very much. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Thank you so much. [The written statement of Congressman Cook follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Mr. Frelinghuysen. Martha Roby, welcome. A member of our committee, part of our leadership. Mrs. Roby. Well, good---- Mr. Frelinghuysen. Good morning. Thank you for being with us this morning, taking time out of your schedule to share your concerns, things you want to bring to our committee's attention as we put this budget together. Thanks. Summary Statement of Congresswoman Roby Mrs. Roby. Thanks so much. And I appreciate the difficult work that you have on this subcommittee. Rightly or wrongly, Congress has imposed on our military certain budget constraints that will require our commanders to make very tough decisions. Congress has asked them to do more with less and to maintain a delicate balance of readiness, end strength, and modernization. I believe that the United States Army is endeavoring to do just that, and I want to recognize Army leaders for their efforts. As you know, Army aviation provides critical capabilities to our commanders in the field. Army helicopters directly engage the enemy with devastating force. They move critical cargo and troops to the front lines. And when every second counts, they offer lifesaving transportation for our wounded warriors. In response to budget cuts, the Army set out to review its aviation strategy in order to exploit efficiencies without compromising operational capability. The starting point was the reality that, in the time of smaller budgets, the number of combat air brigades must decrease. The end result is the Aviation Restructure Initiative, or the ARI. I have closely monitored the development of ARI since last fall, and I believe it is the right solution for Army aviation, given the current fiscal constraints. ARI ensures the Army is able to maintain its most modern, capable, and survivable aircraft, while divesting legacy helicopters that are increasingly more expensive to operate and maintain. With the growth of unmanned aircraft capabilities, ARI also allows the Army to capitalize on new technology and harness the potential of teaming manned helicopters with unmanned systems. This partnership will play a growing role in the future of Army aviation. ARI reduces the aviation fleet by almost 800 aircraft, with approximately 86 percent of those coming from the Active Duty component. Furthermore, by reducing the Army aviation fleet from seven to four types of aircraft, ARI will save money that can be redirected to modernizing our best utility, attack, and cargo helicopters. Importantly, ARI also enables the Army to continue the development of aviation programs such as the Future Vertical Lift. These are, however, benefits beyond simple cost savings. As the Army Aviation Center for Excellence, Fort Rucker trains hundreds of new Army aviators on an annual basis. These pilots, the best in the world, are the most important assets the Army aviation brigade takes into battle. Today, new students at Fort Rucker begin their training on old civilian-style helicopters that have been flying since Richard Nixon was President. Today, under ARI, students at Rucker will immediately begin training in modern aircraft, complete with glass cockpits and dual turboshaft engines. These aircraft operate much more similarly to the Apaches, Black Hawks, and Chinooks that Army aviators fly in operational units. The result is better training and likely a reduction in overall training time. Given the reality of the situation, I believe that ARI is a logical answer to a difficult situation. It will provide Army aviation with the most capability while mitigating sustainment costs. It also ensures that the Army has the most flexible aviation force to accomplish the mission when our Nation calls. So, again, I appreciate you letting me share my thoughts with you today. And, again, I also understand that you have many difficult decisions to make in the days to come. Mr. Frelinghuysen. We appreciate it. And I suspect we will be making them together, since you serve on the Appropriations Committee with us. But thank you for your testimony and being a strong advocate for our military. Thank you so much. Mrs. Roby. Thank you so much. Mr. Visclosky. Thank you very much. [The written statement of Congresswoman Roby follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Mr. Frelinghuysen. Denny Heck, representing the great State of Washington, thank you for being with us. I put Ms. Roby before you a little bit. I think you came in together, but as a member of the committee, we figured we would give her the nod. Welcome. Thanks for being with us. Summary Statement of Congressman Heck Mr. Heck. Thank you, sir. Mr. Chairman and members of the subcommittee, I am deeply grateful for the opportunity to appear before you today. I know every one of us has seen those incredibly heartwarming video clips when soldiers return home from theater and surprise their family members. Sometimes a kid is at school, and in walks mom or dad. My favorite, actually, is where, in this case, it happened to be a father was in the big cardboard box and burst out. And all of these end the same way, right? There is this look of shock and amazement on that child's face, and then they burst into a sprint and leap into mom or dad's arms for that embrace. They are precious moments. And I can tell you with all sincerity, I have--I couldn't watch them too many times and fail to have it bring a tear to my eye. And the reason is pretty obvious: Because sometimes mom and dad don't come home. They are incredibly moving. As you know, military bases become the home of ambitious, promising students whose parents dedicate their lives to serving our great country. There are, in fact, about 80,000 students who attend public schools on military installations. Ninety-four percent of these students are the children of servicemembers. I think we can all agree that when servicemembers visit these schools, they should walk into state-of-the-art, secure institutions where their child is thriving. While important progress in this area has been made, some schools remain in great need of safety, capacity, and technology upgrades. Unfortunately, a 2011 analysis by the DOD's Office of Economic Adjustment found that there were 33 public schools on military installations across the country that were classified as being in poor and very poor condition. Some of these schools had crumbling walls, chipped floors, cracked ceilings. Some were too small, some with makeshift classrooms literally in hallways and supply closets. There were faulty ventilation units, corroded pipes, and the list goes on and on and on. This committee generously stepped in--generously stepped in--and provided funding to replace the schools on this list. These schools now have welcomed back students to new and improved learning centers, while others are still in the process of being replaced. This was all thanks to the hard work of this subcommittee and your former colleague, Congressman Norm Dicks. But now, due to sequestration cuts, the funding that the subcommittee provided will now cover just 28 of the 33 identified schools. I happen to represent the congressional district--I have the privilege to represent the congressional district that includes Joint Base Lewis-McChord, often called JBLM, one of the largest military installations in America. Unfortunately, Evergreen Elementary on JBLM is one of the schools that will now go without funding. Evergreen happens to be a school recognized in the military community for its attention to students with special needs in education. In fact, the truth of the matter is that soldier after soldier makes a request for a compassionate assignment to JBLM so that their child with special needs can attend Evergreen. As the husband of a devoted educator, now retired, I know teachers and staff work day-in and day-out so that the students making strides in the environment they have can go as far as they can. And I know that if the teachers and staff could physically build their own new school buildings, they would, because they are that dedicated. Mr. Chairman, this subcommittee was instrumental in making a difference to thousands of other public school students on military installations across the country by implementing this project. What I am specifically asking for today is that you complete what was begun in 2011 and fix the remaining school buildings originally identified as being in poor or very poor condition and no longer sustainable. Specifically, I request that the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee include the language from Section 8108 of the fiscal year 2013 defense appropriations bill. Section 8108 calls on the DOD to construct, renovate, repair, or expand the public schools on military installations that remain in need of updates, including our very own Evergreen Elementary. I love seeing the smiles on those kids' faces when their parents return safely home and surprise them. And now I want to see the smiles on the faces of mom and dad when they enter a building that they know is suitable to their child's learning needs. This is the kind of investment that DOD can and should make in our servicemembers' families. I thank you so very much for the privilege of being here, sir. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Well, thank you, Denny, for pointing out something which I think all the committee members feel very strongly about. There is more work to be done. We appreciate your highlighting something which is important to all of us. Mr. Heck. Thank you, sir. Mr. Visclosky. I would simply also thank you for recognizing the contribution of Mr. Dicks. And when I was visiting Fort Campbell, met with some of the high school students and kicked everybody except the students out. And still remember one of the young men saying, you know, ``I have lived at Fort Campbell longer than my father has.'' And so, if nothing else, we ought to make sure they have the right facilities and tools as they get on with their lives, as well. Thank you very much. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Well said. Thank you very much. Mr. Moran. Mr. Chairman? If I could---- Mr. Frelinghuysen. Mr. Moran. Mr. Moran. Again, thank you, as well, Mr. Heck, for bringing an important issue to us. Having served on the Military Construction Subcommittee, we all know there are issues there that should be funded but that seem a somewhat lower priority than funding schools. I am just curious, why does the Defense Approps Subcommittee fund the schools and not Military Construction? I am just curious. I know---- Mr. Frelinghuysen. You will have to pose that as a rhetorical question, because, quite honestly, I don't know, but it has always been, I think, part of our bill. Mr. Moran. Well, maybe because Norm was such a fine advocate for it. It is curious. Mr. Frelinghuysen. When I have gone somewhere, I have been appalled, actually, at the condition of some of the schools. Mr. Moran. Yeah. Mr. Frelinghuysen. I don't know, but we will find out. And I guess a public question deserves a public answer at some point in time. Mr. Moran. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Visclosky. And, Mr. Chairman, I may have been given advice from our staff, and that is because these are not government-owned facilities, these are schools in the private school districts. Mr. Moran. That is the answer. Thank you. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Okay. Well, thank you. The process of education goes on here. Thank you very much. [The written statement of Congressman Heck follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Mr. Frelinghuysen. Pleased to recognize Congressman Bradley Byrne--thank you very much--from the great State of Alabama. Thank you for taking time out of your busy schedule to be with us this morning. Summary Statement of Congressman Byrne Mr. Byrne. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and Ranking Minority Member Visclosky and the distinguished members of the committee. It is my honor and pleasure to appear before you today to testify on two issues important to our national security: the Department of Defense's changes to the Littoral Combat Ship program and the continuation of the Joint High Speed Vessel program. I am sure that you know the Independence variant of the Littoral Combat Ship and the Joint High Speed Vessel are both made in my district, in Mobile, Alabama. While I am committed to the people of my great State, I come to you today more with a concern for the future of the United States Navy, our great Navy. The Littoral Combat Ship is essential to the missions in the world's littorals, the shallow seas of the world. It is being built in a manner that is both affordable and efficient, and it is critical if the Navy is to support the administration's pivot towards the Asia-Pacific region. I think you will agree that the fastest route to a hollow force is to increase requirements on our forces without providing the assets to complete the mission. The Secretary of Defense has directed the Navy to look at a different ship option for the last 20 ships of the 52-ship Littoral Combat Ship program. The specifications are due from the Navy this summer. And it is my belief that a modified version of the LCS will be the best value for the taxpayer, while meeting the Navy's requirements of a capable and lethal surface combatant. The LCS is designed with modularity in mind and can accept different mission sets and weapon systems with ease. If the Secretary of Defense wants a more lethal, small surface combatant, he need not look any further. There is plenty of space and power available for a vertical launch missile system and a 76-millimeter gun, giving the LCS the knockdown power of a destroyer. This vessel is truly a plug-and-play system. We should be extremely concerned about the slowing of the purchase of the Littoral Combat Ships in the fiscal year 2015 budget. Reducing the ships in the LCS program in fiscal year 2015 through fiscal year 2017 is simply a bad idea. This introduces instability in the LCS program, as the shipbuilders in Alabama and Wisconsin and their suppliers price the ship on a four-ship block buy. And this instability will be felt by suppliers nationwide. As you know, the Navy has continued to state its requirement for a 52 Littoral Combat Ship program. It is my belief that the LCS remains essential to the Navy's ability to project power, particularly to missions that don't require a destroyer or an aircraft carrier. The LCS is a fast, versatile, fuel-efficient, and highly capable ship. I liken it to Mohammed Ali, who said, ``I float like a butterfly and sting like a bee.'' The LCS is extremely important to the Navy because it addresses three critical mission areas: anti-surface warfare, particularly against fast inshore attack craft; anti-submarine warfare, most notably against a proliferating diesel electric submarine threat; and mine warfare. The Navy has often stated that LCS will deliver capabilities in these mission areas that far exceed those capabilities in the fleet today. For minesweeping, we actually send our sailors directly into minefields with vessels, and, under this new program, we would send remotely operated craft that come from the Littoral Combat Ships, so it is also better for the safety of our sailors. During the recently completed LCS war game, the Navy has once again expressed their support and need for this program. The LCS program is currently realizing significant efficiencies and savings. Moving to an entirely new ship will introduce tremendous cost increases and time delays to the Navy--two factors our Navy cannot afford. Failing to produce all 52 Littoral Combat Ships would significantly reduce the size of our fleet, set back the Navy's shipbuilding program for decades, and damage America's national security. Without all 52 ships, the Navy will be forced to cover the same geographic area with significantly fewer assets. The LCS is the rare military program that has seen cost decrease instead of increase over time. The LCS has adhered to stringent contractual and budgetary constraints and has locked into fixed-price contracts and a congressionally mandated cost cap. The Littoral Combat Ships are being built today at an average cost of $350 million per hull, well under the cost cap, and at half the cost of the first ships of this class. According to the Navy, the LCS is the most affordable ship in the fleet. The Navy was directed by the Department of Defense to reduce the LCS buy for fiscal year 2015 from four ships to three ships. This action introduces instability into the current program, as the builders and suppliers of LCS price the ship on a four-ship buy, and will also greatly impact the shipyards in Alabama and Wisconsin and the broader shipbuilding industrial base. There are tens of thousands of hardworking Americans whose jobs depend on the continued construction of these valuable ships. Because of these considerations, I ask that the committee restore the funds necessary to add a fourth ship back into this year's budget. The Joint High Speed Vessel is also produced in my district. The Joint High Speed Vessel is a shallow-draft, all- aluminum, commercially based catamaran capable of intra-theater personnel and cargo lift, providing combatant commanders high- speed sealift mobility with inherent cargo handling capability and agility to achieve positional advantage over operational distances. Joint High Speed transports personnel, equipment, and supplies over operational distances with access to littoral offload points, including austere, minor, and degraded ports, in support of military operations and humanitarian efforts. In automotive terms, the vessel has been compared to a pickup truck or a utility vehicle. The Department of Defense places a premium on the ability of U.S. military forces to deploy quickly to a full spectrum of engagements. In addition, the Department values the ability of U.S. forces to debark and embark in a wide range of port environments, from modern to austere. The Joint High Speed Vessel, crewed by Military Sealift Command sailors, has demonstrated the ability to transport military forces, as well as humanitarian relief personnel and material, in a manner that is responsive, deployable, agile, versatile, and sustainable. The USNS Spearhead, which is the Joint High Speed Vessel 1, is currently employed to the Sixth Fleet area of responsibility. The Joint High Speed Vessel is designed to transport 600 short tons of military cargo 1,200 nautical miles at an average speed of 35 knots in sea state 3--35 knots. The Joint High Speed Vessel supports the Navy Expeditionary Combatant Command and riverine forces, theater cooperating missions, Seabees, Marine Corps, and Army transportation. The original procurement objective, set in October 2008, was for 18 ships. This procurement number was lowered to 10 Joint High Speed Vessels as part of the fiscal year 2013 budget request. Recently, before the Armed Services Committee, CNO Greenert mentioned the Navy's desire to modify the capabilities of the Joint High Speed Vessel by testing the railgun on the vessel. The versatility of the Joint High Speed Vessel is undeniable when you think about its mission capability with such a unique offensive weapon in its service. The Navy has desperately been searching for a vessel to test this weapon on, and they have clearly chosen the Joint High Speed Vessel for a reason. Based on the ability of the Joint High Speed Vessel to support all branches of the military services, provide high- speed intra-theater sealift, operate in littoral environments, operate in austere port environments, and support humanitarian disaster relief activities, and because the ship's construction line is still operational, I believe the Department of Navy should continue to procure Joint High Speed Vessels. Procuring additional Joint High Speed Vessels will enable the Navy to realize the hard-earned efficiencies and cost reductions achieved by the shipyard in constructing Joint High Speed Vessel 1 through 10. An additional $50 million in long- ahead advance procurement funding will enable the Navy to begin the process of procuring additional Joint High Speed Vessels in line with the original 18-ship requirement. Like the LCS, the Joint High Speed Vessel program provides the Navy with a very affordable and capable ship. At roughly $160 million per ship, the Joint High Speed Vessel costs a fraction of what other shipbuilding programs cost. And with production steaming along, we are rolling new Joint High Speed Vessels off the line every 6 months. The program has clearly matured in what can only be considered efficient, serial production. We shouldn't let that go to waste. Thank you very much for your time today. I appreciate the opportunity to share my thoughts on these two very valuable ships with the committee. Mr. Frelinghuysen. We thank the gentleman for his testimony. Mr. Visclosky. Thank the gentleman, as well. And recognizing that your predecessors were members of this committee--Mr. Callahan was my chairman; Mr. Bonner served on this subcommittee, our good friend--I assume your constituents' expectations will be very high. I am confident you will be able to meet those. But I do appreciate your concern about the shipbuilding program. Mr. Byrne. Thank you, sir. I have very big shoes to fill, and I work very hard today to fill them. Appreciate your time. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Thank you. [The written statement of Congressman Byrne follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Mr. Frelinghuysen. Mr. Palazzo, I do apologize. I know you got here on time. Accept my sincere apologies. Mr. Palazzo. Mr. Chairman, as a former Marine and somebody in the Army National Guard---- Mr. Frelinghuysen. Yeah, let me thank you for your gulf war service, as well, too. Mr. Palazzo. Thank you, sir. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Very special for all of us. The time is yours. Summary Statement of Congressman Palazzo Mr. Palazzo. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and Ranking Member of the committee, for the opportunity to appear before the subcommittee on my priorities for your fiscal year 2015 defense appropriations bill. As a member of the House Armed Services Committee, I want you to know that I have a healthy respect for the work of your subcommittee and the essential role you play in providing for our soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines who wear the uniform of the United States in service to our Nation. I also share your commitment to providing for a Navy and Marine Corps that is capable of projecting American power abroad with forward- deployed naval forces. As some of you know, I represent the Fourth Congressional District of Mississippi, down on the Gulf Coast, and it is no surprise that my district depends heavily on industries like military shipbuilding, which is both a national and strategic industry that contributes to our national economy and our national defense, with an impact that goes well beyond the borders of my district. And so I come here today to discuss a national and strategic issue that I believe is critical to the future of our Navy and Marine Corps. The San Antonio class of LPD is a 684-foot-long amphibious assault ship. This class of ships functionally replaces four previous amphibious ship classes and provides greater mission capability and enhanced command and control than her legacy amphibs. The San Antonio-class LPD also features a longer expected service life, improved quality of life for the sailors and Marines aboard her, and reduced total ownership costs, something I know is of critical importance to us on the House Armed Services Committee and a desire that I know you share, as well, Mr. Chairman. The LPD is a warship that embarks, transports, and lands elements of the landing force for a variety of expeditionary warfare missions. When fully loaded, these warships can carry landing craft air cushions, or LCACs, Amphibious Assault Vehicles, and a wide variety of Marine Corps aviation assets, from the MV-22 Osprey to every helicopter in the Marine Corps inventory. Simply put, this ship enables the Marine Corps to go to war when necessary, but she is built to handle a wide range of missions, including humanitarian assistance and disaster relief. Most importantly, the LPD is a survivable amphibious warship that is capable of going into harm's way. The ship is built to protect the almost 1,000 sailors and Marines who sail aboard her. And she relies on the critical contributions of over 1,000 companies in over 40 States from across our Nation. So I come before you today because I strongly support a proposal to build a 12th LPD in fiscal year 2015. It is no secret that the budget of the Department of Defense has been under a lot of pressure recently, and the Navy's budget is experiencing similar strain. However, I do not believe that current budget pressures should unduly influence our long-term strategic thinking on the needs of the future of our Navy and Marine Corps team. We are building the last two ships of the San Antonio class today in Mississippi, and given the needs of the Navy and Marine Corps, the hot production line, the stable design of the ship, the maturity of the supply base, and the proven fleet performance of these ships, I firmly believe we need to build an additional 12th ship of the San Antonio class. I ask for your support of this proposal in your fiscal year 2015 defense appropriations bill. And, in closing, shipbuilding is one of the most strategic activities undertaken by our defense industrial base. It takes years to build the finest ships for the finest Navy and Marine Corps in the world. And I am proud to represent one of the largest last great centers of American manufacturing, right at home in south Mississippi. But don't take my word for it. During a recent forum, General James Amos, the Commandant of the Marine Corps and a member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, stated, I quote, ``We have an LPD hull right now which is one of the most successful hulls we have. There are years and years of time and effort that have gone into that LPD. That is as fine an amphibious warship as has ever sailed the seas. The LPD, from my perspective, just makes sense.'' I couldn't agree more with General Amos. And I thank you gentlemen for your time. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Well, thank you, invoking his name. And, again, thank you for your own military service, for your work on the House Armed Services Committee. And our committees are bound to work together, since at a time of less resources we need to make sure that every dollar counts, and I look forward to working with you and your colleagues. Mr. Palazzo. Same here, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Visclosky. Thank you very much. Mr. Palazzo. Thank you, gentlemen. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Appreciate it. Thank you. Reid Ribble, the gentleman from Wisconsin. How are you? Mr. Ribble. I am doing great. Mr. Chairman, Mr. Ranking Member, thanks for---- Mr. Frelinghuysen. And I look forward to meeting you. We have an office visit, I think, in the offing, too. Mr. Ribble. Yes. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Thank you. Thank you for being with us this morning. Summary Statement of Congressman Ribble Mr. Ribble. I am happy to be here. And I am not going to go through my testimony word for word; you have written copies. I am going to also try to help you get back on schedule here a little bit. I wanted to talk to you about LCS, not from the position of whether this is the right ship for the Navy or isn't the right ship for the Navy. I think the Department of Defense, the Department of the Navy, and House Armed Services on both the House and Senate will make determinations on the appropriateness of this vessel. What I want to talk about specifically is the fiscal year 2015 block-buy acquisition strategy. If the strategy was correct then--and I believe it is, because we saw a ship that originally cost nearly $700 million be driven down in cost to around $350 million, nearly half of the original price--if the block-buy strategy is broken for fiscal year 2015, we have the likelihood that the Navy, therefore the taxpayer, will pay significantly more for the remaining ships under the contract. And that, therein, is the rub, is that if we are going to, in times of tough fiscal decision-making, it seems to me that the best decision is to not break a contract and go from 4 ships, which is the current contract, to 3, thus raising the cost of the remaining 10 or 12, doesn't seem to me to be a very practical economic strategy. And so I am here today requesting that the Appropriations Committee consider relieving that four-ship block in fiscal year 2015 so that the contract itself isn't broken. Secondarily to that, Mr. Chairman, it goes to a broader discussion about American shipbuilding capabilities. My shipyard in Marinette, Wisconsin, as well as other shipyards that do military contracting, often invest tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions, of dollars of private investment to prepare for contracts based on promises given by the Federal Government to these localities. And, in this case, my shipyard spent nearly $100 million of their own private investment. If contracts get broken--and I understand changes in defense strategy and changes in terms of agreements as the Nation shifts and moves and we learn things, but we still must be very careful about private future investment. If we discourage or disincent private future investment into this Nation's shipbuilding capacity, we, in essence, strike a blow into the Nation's defense. And so, therefore, I think we need to move very cautiously any time that we are going to actually break a contract. I get having contracts end, and I get making changes, but I am very concerned about this Nation's shipbuilding capacity. We have an extraordinarily gifted group of workers at Marinette Marine in Marinette, Wisconsin, who are building the Littoral Combat Ship. And this was a ship that, quite frankly, Secretary Gates, Secretary Panetta--Secretary Panetta was just up at the shipyard a few months ago--Secretary Mabus have all spoken glowingly of. And, in recent war games, the Navy itself spoke glowingly of the ship itself. So it is a ship that apparently they wanted. It is a ship that we should continue to build for the time being as long as it meets the national defense strategy. And it is certainly, from an economic standpoint, a ship that we shouldn't break a contract with in fiscal year 2015, where we reverse the trend of cost savings and make the ship that they are going to buy anyway more expensive. And so, as you guys weigh and measure all these things--and I can tell you, it is during this time of year I am glad I am not an appropriator--but I want to encourage you to consider what that block buy and strategic buy program means to our shipbuilding capacity and meeting the promises that we have given, but also make sure that we are buying these ships at the best possible costs for the time that we buy them. And, with that, I yield back. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Well, thank you for being here and articulating so well what is so important here. We don't want to lose that industrial base and incredibly qualified people, no matter where they are, but certainly recognize the historic role of Wisconsin. Mr. Visclosky. I appreciate you summarizing your testimony. I appreciate that you use steel to build those ships in Wisconsin. And your concern about the industrial base, particularly shipbuilding, I think the chairman, all of us on the committee are very concerned about it. The one question I have is, Vilas County, is that in Mr. Duffy's district? Mr. Ribble. Yes, it is. It used to be in my district. Mr. Visclosky. Because my mother is from Eagle River. I was just curious. Mr. Ribble. Yeah. A beautiful place. Mr. Visclosky. It is a great State, Wisconsin. Mr. Ribble. Thank you very much. Mr. Visclosky. Thank you for your concern. Mr. Ribble. Yeah. It is good to be here, and thank you for your time. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Thank you, Reid. [The written statement of Congressman Ribble follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Mr. Frelinghuysen. David Jolly, welcome. The gentleman from Florida. The Summary Statement of Congressman Jolly Mr. Jolly. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and Mr. Ranking Member. For those of you in the room, including professional staff, this is a unique opportunity for me. And I will keep my remarks brief and contribute to Mr. Ribble's effort to get you back on schedule. I have submitted for the record my testimony. I have a unique situation, as the newest Member of Congress but, more importantly for this subcommittee, one who has the responsibility to carry on a legacy of a man that you all worked so closely with, and contributed not just to the security of our country but you know what he did for the district that now I have the privilege to represent. And so, to the extent that I am able to, I am trying to maintain the level of effort and contribution he made to our district but also to our region and the regional assets that support our national security. We have a district that, as you know, contributes to many national programs, programs of record. We contribute to the JSF canopies, the GPS III, SOCOM GMV recent award, cooperative engagement capability for naval warships--all of these competitively awarded programs of record. I have submitted Member requests in support of many of those and would ask for your consideration. But more importantly--I shouldn't say ``more importantly''--just as importantly, the assets at both the Guard and Reserve center in my district, as well as MacDill Air Force Base. We have the Reserve Medical Command there. We have a readiness center, a joint readiness center that is now named for my predecessor. And then at MacDill, you know the assets that we have at MacDill and the operations of both CENTCOM and SOCOM. And the only ask I would have for you there--I know this committee last cycle worked with the command on decisions of staffing and resources and whether those would be retained at MacDill or whether there were resources better applied in other areas. Certainly not trying to speak for the command or for this committee, but I would simply ask that, in an era of fiscal constraint, that we consider the investment that has been made at MacDill, the success of having SOCOM at MacDill, at its current staffing and resource level, and make sure that we balance any decisions related to that with the investment we have already made and the command's priorities. I have submitted that statement for the record, but, gentlemen, I appreciate the opportunity to be here today. Mr. Frelinghuysen. We appreciate it. And we recognize, obviously, the legacy you follow. And, obviously, our committee is mindful of the number of important installations and purposes for which your district has historically been focused. So we appreciate your being here. Mr. Visclosky. And as a former staffer, I wish you well in your career. We both were blessed with wonderful mentors. Mr. Jolly. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. [The written statement of Congressman Jolly follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Mr. Frelinghuysen. Mr. Farr across the threshold first. Of course, Mr. Nunes is in the warmup spot. I apologize. Our colleague from the committee, Sam Farr. Summary Statement of Congressman Farr Mr. Farr. Well, thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, Mr. Visclosky, fellow members of the Appropriations Committee. I want to thank you for the honor of allowing me to testify but mostly for your continuous support for servicemembers and the DOD civilians who are committed to our national security. I bring to you an ask in the wake of yet another tragic shooting at a military installation and solemnly come before you today to ask for your support in helping prevent such catastrophic events from occurring by fully funding the ACES continuous evaluation program. Because of the Washington Navy shooting, the intelligence leaks at NSA with contractor Edward Snowden, and the 2009 Fort Hood shootings, President Obama ordered a review of the security clearances by the Department of Defense and the Office of Management and Budget and the Department of Navy and an independent review. The consistent theme across all four reviews was the need for a continuous evaluation program, which means reviewing the background of an individual who is determined to be eligible for access to classified information on an ongoing basis to confirm that the individual continues at all times to meet the requirements for eligibility for access to classified information. In my district, the Defense Department has an organization called Defense Personnel Security Research Center, known as PERSEREC, and it has developed the Automated Continuous Evaluation System, known as ACES. The program has been in effect for about 9 years. It can provide continuous evaluation of individuals 24/7, 365 days a year, instead of the only periodic reinvestigations which occur every 5, 10, or 15 years. Currently, ACES is capable of checking over 40 government and commercial databases in areas relevant to personal security and can identify those individuals who may present a potential security risk. ACES is the only continuous evaluation program that complies with the legal and regulatory privacy provisions and permissible uses of government and commercial data. ACES conducted a pilot test with a sample of 3,370 Army servicemembers, civilian employees, and contractor personnel. ACES was able to identify over 730 individuals with previously unreported derogatory information. Based on the results of this ACES pilot, the Army revoked the clearances of 55 individuals and suspended the access of 44 more who had derogatory information like financial issues, domestic abuse, or drug abuse. In its report on suitability and security process review, OMB has recommended the following timeline to fully implement the continuous evaluation: October of 2014, the ACES pilot program is to expand to 100,000 personnel. By 2015, capability of 225,000 personnel. By 2016, 500,000 personnel. And by 2017, capability to have continuous review on a million personnel. We agree with this time plan and really recommend that its funding be made--I think it is $53 million that can be made available for that. So I ask this committee to fund PERSEREC's ACES program as an enterprise for continuous evaluation solutions for our government's ongoing need to keep our security personnel continuously monitored as to their capability of maintaining that category. So I would be glad to answer any questions you might have. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Well, thank you for raising this as something which deserves more attention in our committee. Mr. Farr. Well, thank you very much, and thank you for your attention. Mr. Visclosky. Mr. Farr, thank you very much. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Thank you very much. [The written statement of Congressman Farr follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Mr. Frelinghuysen. Another gentleman from California, Mr. Nunes. Welcome. Summary Statement of Congressman Nunes Mr. Nunes. Well, thank you, Mr. Chairman and Ranking Member. It is great to be here. And I have a statement that I will just submit for the record, if you would accept that. You probably don't get this very often, but I am actually here to thank both of you for your strong support of Lajes Air Base, which is out in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. A lot of people forget about it. And I am concerned and remain concerned that, in fact, our Defense Department is forgetting about it and forgetting about our allies and the importance, I think more now than ever, with this recent invasion of Crimea by the Russians. There is, I think, some assumption by some folks within DOD that we were assuming that subs would never be back in the Atlantic, and I just think that was shortsighted. And I think we are starting to see that now, as we look at one of the most explosive places today on the globe and hotspots is in, not only North Africa, but also West and Central Africa. And that is an area that is continuing to explode. The best spot we have to both police the Atlantic Ocean and to get assets into Africa is the Lajes Air Base. And one of the issues that I want the committee to be aware of is that, you know, we have spent $150 million there over the last decade. And I think both of you probably have had a chance over the years to be on this air base, but it is really a Taj Mahal of air bases. I mean, it is practically all brand-new. And for our Defense Department, when we are sitting on roughly 30 bases in Europe, to put this one on the chopping block is--I think that if the American taxpayer really knew about this and really knew what existed in Europe, I think they would have a big problem with it. And that is why I am here to--I think this committee recognizes that, and I know that you have been supportive in the past. And we are looking and trying to work as closely as we can with the Defense Department to try to fix this long-term so that we don't lose a strategic asset or waste hard-earned taxpayer dollars. And I will answer any questions. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Well, thank you. And your statement will be in the record. You know, I echo your sentiments. It is an incredibly important asset and gives us an ability to turn around and do some things in parts of the world, especially on the African continent, that otherwise we might not be able to do from another location. Mr. Visclosky. I would simply say I think you do make a compelling case, and I do appreciate your persistence on the issue very much and your time today. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Thank you very much. Mr. Nunes. Well, thank you for allowing me to speak. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Thank you. [The written statement of Congressman Nunes follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Mr. Frelinghuysen. Mr. Ron Barber from Arizona. Thank you for being with us. Thanks for your patience. Summary Statement of Congressman Barber Mr. Barber. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate the opportunity to be with you this morning. I think we all know that the Department of Defense's budget proposals, while trying to deal with a budget problem of serious impact, will, I think, if they are all adopted, the proposals will seriously compromise our national security. And I appreciate the opportunity to talk with you today about one specific proposal which I think is deeply troubling. I am going to talk about the proposal in the Department of Defense budget that has to deal with the divestment of the A-10 Thunderbolt. This is an aircraft that flies in Afghanistan. It is available in South Korea. It is one of the most effective close air support fighters that we have. As you know, the President's budget calls for the divestment of the entire A-10 fleet, beginning in fiscal year 2015. And if this proposal is adopted, I believe it will create a serious gap in close air support and the A-10's other support missions, important missions that provide highly effective support to our ground troops. I was in Afghanistan just 2 weeks ago talking with our troops, and they say they love it when the Warthog is overhead because they know their day is going to get a bit better. It may be ugly, as some have said, but regardless of its look, it is a solid and reliable airframe that is easily sustained at a very low cost. And I think that is an important point. At its core, the A-10 represents a proven aircraft of unmatched survivability, maneuverability, and lethal armaments that is only surpassed by the deeply ingrained close air support culture and expertise of those pilots who fly it. There is no other fixed-wing aircraft, Mr. Chairman, that provides as proficient a service as the A-10 in conducting visual support operations below a 1,000-foot ceiling, while being able to effectively target the enemy. As I mentioned, our experience in Iraq and Afghanistan clearly demonstrates the A-10's well- documented capability to operate in rugged environments. The Air Force has argued that other platforms in its inventory can replace the close air support capabilities of the A-10, and I would respectfully disagree. While the F-15, the F- 16 and B-1 and the B-52 are very effective aircraft that are important components of our inventory, none of these platforms can fully replace the capabilities of the A-10. The A-10 flies low; it flies slow. Its armored hull allows it to be engaged on a battlefield faster and lighter than higher-altitude flying fighters. Closer communication with ground forces makes the A-10 close air support more accurate and lethal. On Wednesday, General Scaparrotti, the Commander of U.S. forces in Korea, testified in the Armed Services Committee that, as an infantryman, he has benefited from the close air support the A-10 provides in combat and believes it is important in the Korean Peninsula. Additionally, General John Campbell, Vice Chief of Staff of the Army, testified in the Senate Armed Services Committee, saying, commanding the 101st in Afghanistan, ``We had an A-10 capability come in and provide close air support to our soldiers. It was a game-changer.'' In recent years, the Congress has approved over a billion dollars in upgrades for the A-10--new wings, new electronic packages, new helmets--that make it a very modern aircraft with at least 15 to 20 years more of service. It would be, I think, a waste of taxpayer money to divest after such a strong investment. I urge you, Mr. Chairman and Ranking Member, to consider funding the A-10's mission so that we can most effectively protect our troops in combat and avoid the capability gap. Until that gap is closed, we simply cannot adequately support our troops on the ground. Now, people say we are getting out of Afghanistan, we are not going to have a ground war, but this is a troubled world; Crimea, South Korea, all across the globe we are facing enemies, and we may end up having to protect our troops on the ground. The A-10 is the best fighter that we have available to do so, and I appreciate your opportunity to speak about it today. Thank you Mr. Chairman. Mr. Frelinghuysen. I appreciate your being here, and you have highlighted some things that are important, I think, to all of us. Mr. Barber. Appreciate it. Thank you very much. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Thank you. [The written statement of Congressman Barber follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Mr. Frelinghuysen. Mr. Hudson, from the great State of North Carolina, thank you for being with us. Thanks for your patience. I know you have been here for a while, but we are trying to stay on schedule and give Members an opportunity to talk about what is important to them. Thank you, all of you, for taking the time to be here. Summary Statement of Congressman Hudson Mr. Hudson. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and Mr. Ranking Member, for providing this opportunity. And I want to thank you and the subcommittee for all the hard work you do protecting our warfighters and providing the funding and tools that they need to do the job. I applaud the bravery and sacrifice of our men and women in military. As I travel around the communities in North Carolina, Fort Bragg is on the edge of my district. People consistently tell me their number one priority is to fiscal responsibility, restraining spending, forcing Washington to live within its means; and accordingly, I am committed to cutting spending, to reducing the size of government, promoting economic growth, putting our budget back in balance, and sometimes that means holding departments and agencies accountable, and that is why I chose to appear before you today to talk about one particular issue. As the Army embarks on a new plan to replace the M113 armored personnel carrier, a series of vehicles that have been in service for over 50 years. I believe it is important for this committee to ensure proper oversight given the series of setbacks in recent years to combat vehicle programs. As you know, the Army's newest approach is called the Armored Multipurpose Vehicle, or AMPV. There have been active studies ongoing for some time on determining the appropriate replacement. In 2008, the Army came to the conclusion that a mixed fleet of modified Bradleys and Strykers would be the ideal replacement for the M113. As opposed to a one-size-fits- all approach, a mixed fleet makes the most economic sense as it leverages existing programs and allows the vehicle best suited to a particular mission to be utilized. Strykers provide speed, stealth and protection in a variety of roles, while tracked vehicles like the Bradleys can address the small amount of terrain that is too extreme for a wheeled vehicle to operate in. The AMPV program was out of the spotlight for a while because of the Army's focus on the Future Combat Systems, the Ground Combat Vehicle. Both the FCS, cancelled in the 2009, the Ground Combat Vehicle, recently terminated after billions of dollars were invested in the programs, in both cases the Army recommended a two-manufacturer approach to development and production. This allows a greater variety of designs and encourages competition, which we all know drives prices down. Furthermore, it ensures our troops deploy with the best equipment for the job. With the AMPV as the only Armored Combat Vehicle program remaining, I would hope the Army will continue to utilize the multimanufacturer approach. Unfortunately, the most recent RFP by the Army for the MPV runs counter to this practice and makes clear that a tracked vehicle such as the Bradley is the only solution it intends to accept. Any competitor that would offer an opposing design will find the Army has not provided sufficient data or time for other companies to compete for a tracked vehicle. I believe Congress should not fund a noncompetitive solution for AMPV and should require the Army to develop an acquisition plan in order to leverage the advantages of a mixed fleet. A mix of vehicles, such as the Stryker and the Bradley, is likely to be a more cost-effective solution, and that can be fielded actually more rapidly. Strykers are currently the largest combat vehicle fleet in the Army and have found broad support for mix of speed, low operational cost per mile, and resistance to improvised explosive devices. Bradleys, meanwhile, continue to offer complete off-road ability and additional protection for direct engagement, but a mix of these two vehicles would continue to be evaluated, in my opinion, and considered by the Army as it leverages the best of both types of vehicles in their quest to replace the Vietnam-era M113s. I hope the subcommittee will encourage the Army to fully evaluate and consider both situations at hand instead of viewing the competing contracts as mutually exclusive. I hope the committee will consider a plan that places the best equipment for the job on the field. If the military can demonstrate to the subcommittee they are on the right path, then they can and should move forward with their current plan, but I believe a fair analysis that acknowledges the cancellation of the Ground Combat Vehicle and the role it was to play will recognize the benefits of pursuing a mixed fleet solution. I thank the Members for their time and consideration in this request and, again, appreciate your commitment to hearing from Members. Mr. Frelinghuysen. We thank you for your time, and I can assure you our committee is taking a very close look at the progress on this program. Mr. Hudson. Great. Thank you. Mr. Visclosky. Appreciate your emphasis on competition. Mr. Hudson. Yes, sir. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Thank you. [The written statement of Congressman Hudson follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Mr. Frelinghuysen. Gentleman from Florida Mr. DeSantis. Thanks so much for being here. Thank you, also, for your Navy service. Summary Statement of Congressman DeSantis Mr. DeSantis. Well, thank you, Mr. Chairman, Ranking Member. I know you guys are very busy, so I really appreciate you having me and giving me some time. I am here to talk about the E-2D Advanced Hawkeye, which, as you know, is the Navy's carrier-based Airborne Early Warning and Battle Management and Control System. As the fiscal year 2015 budget request is considered, I ask that you support the E-2D program as well as and additional fifth E-2D Advanced Hawkeye aircraft. The E-2D is equipped with new cutting-edge communications capabilities and radar systems. These advancements enable the E-2D to synthesize information from multiple onboard and offboard sensors to provide increased missile protection to our carrier defense groups, while also improving the aircraft's offensive capabilities, which are key to supporting our combatant commands. The addition of the fifth E-2D aircraft in fiscal year 2015 is necessary for providing carrier strike groups with the E- 2D's advanced Integrated Air and Missile Defense capabilities to pace the rapidly-evolving Pacific threat. Without this fifth aircraft, a carrier will be forced to deploy with the less- advanced E-2Cs, preventing carriers from having the additional and considerable capability that E-2Ds bring against multiple threats. Furthermore, additional funding would be needed to keep multiple variants of the Hawkeye in service longer. This program is critical for our Navy and our military. One of our colleagues, Congressman Jim Bridenstine from Oklahoma, is himself an E-2 pilot, and he puts it this way, quote, "Given the threat to strike groups, multiyear procurement of E-2D is absolutely necessary. The only question is are we purchasing enough E-2Ds and missile interceptors to counter the high volumes of incoming missiles that our soldiers and sailors could face," end quote. The program has met every major milestone on schedule since the program's inception in 2003. As the program moves forward, full funding for the E-2D as well as funding for a fifth aircraft ensures that carrier air wings will fully realize the capability provided by the state-of-the-art early warning and battle management command and control weapons system. The role technology plays in modern warfare is extremely important, and the technological advances of the E-2D will ensure that our military maintains its critical edge. Your support for the Navy's E-2D Advanced Hawkeye program in the fiscal year 2015 budget and an additional fifth aircraft is essential to maintaining the safety of our carriers in a changing environment where we are facing new threats. As an appendix to my submitted written testimony, I have attached an April 2 letter from myself, Representative Bridenstine, Representative Brown, Representative Brownley, Representative Carson, Representative Posey and Representative King in support of the E-2D program. Thank you again for having me today, and I appreciate the support that this committee provides to our war fighters. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Thank you. And thank you for your service. That letter will be part of the record, as well. Thank you very much for your time this morning. [The written statement of Congressman DeSantis follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Mr. Frelinghuysen. Representative Hanabusa from the Aloha State, welcome. How nice of you to be with us. You may be batting cleanup, I don't know. Ms. Hanabusa. But then I hope I say the most important thing. Mr. Frelinghuysen. We will be listening carefully. Thank you. Summary Statement of Congresswoman Hanabusa Ms. Hanabusa. Mr. Chairman, Mr. Ranking Member and anyone else who is listening, thank you for the opportunity to testify about the defense programs that are very important to my home State of Hawaii. I have been always a fierce advocate of the Obama administration's rebalance to the Asia-Pacific. I believe it is vital to the future policy and priorities of the United States that we remain committed to this pivot, or rebalance, or recalibration, however you want to call it. And there are many critical programs in this shift that I would like to take a moment to highlight. First of all, I would like to say that I do support the request for the steady 2-year production of the Virginia Class submarines. Sustaining a 2-year build rate is not only vital to mitigating the shortfall of our attack submarine force in the next decade, but also will continue to leverage critical savings and efficiencies in building these advanced platforms. I do want to share a story with you. As many people may know, Senator Inouye was a great friend and mentor of mine. He would always tell me, you know, he says, after World War II, he says, the United States ruled the seven seas. He said if we are 20 percent of it now, that is saying a lot. He said, but, he says, remember always, the United States will always rule the deep blue sea, and no one will ever come near us on that. And this program is one that continues that, and truly, as you look at the pivot to Asia-Pacific and what is going on, it is very clear that the one area that no one will ever touch us in is in our deep blue sea technology. In that vein, the undersea capabilities that play a critical role, I would like to encourage the funding of defense research that would basically allow us to bury undersea cables beneath the seabed, and that really helps in the significant increase in our mission effectiveness and cost savings to the Navy in the long run for that information. I also believe, when you think about how large the Pacific is, 53 percent of the Earth's surface is PACOM AOR, but someone explained it to me like this, and I had never thought of this: If you were to take all the land masses, PACOM's AOR land masses, only 17 percent of that 53 percent. But if you were to take the Pacific, and you put every land mass on this world in the Pacific, there would still be room for another Africa and another North America. That is how large that sea is or that ocean is that comprises the PACOM AOR. So the shipbuilding budget, of course, is also critical and must be fully resourced. And I do appreciate the inclusion of funding for the basically buying of two destroyers as one additional Afloat Staging Base. That is going to be the method that we are in the Pacific, by the afloat type and the rotational-base structure that we are using. We are not going to base in a traditional sense ever again, I believe, in the Pacific, notwithstanding the rotational structures that is found in Darwin, Singapore, is going to be the way of the future, and I think the float staging is a critical component of that. The ships, of course, are necessary to maintain our presence. I would like to say that in testimony recently received by Admiral Locklear after the budget dropped, he said that he is completely undersourced in the Pacific, and in that vein, I do not believe that we should support the, quote, "modernization," which really is mothballing of the 11 cruisers. As my discussions with Admiral Walsh in one of his testimonies before us was, he is very clear, especially the South China Sea, it is an LCS-related entity. That is how they are going to be there. We have a clear reduction in that number from 52 to 32; however, what is necessary to make that effective is the cruisers, because LCSs are shore, but we do need the fleet out in the ocean, and therefore we should not cut our--really our readiness posture by retiring or mothballing or however you want to call it, but those 11s are intended for that. Both Secretary Hagel as well as Martin Dempsey, the Chief of the Army chiefs, have talked about the increased risk that we have taken on. And, of course, they have said that in the budget structure that we are in and the budget that they propose, it is not the military that they want, and it is not a military that they really believe is going to be ready. I would also like to ask the consideration that we not cut assets like the Maui Space Surveillance Complex and the High Performance Computing Center. Those are really necessary for our cyber defense as well, in particular. And I would like the committee to consider including the 26.1 billion in defense funding that is proposed in the Opportunity, Growth and Security Initiative, the OGSI, and if there is a way to fund that, we can really then create the necessary readiness posture and force structure that we need in the Asia-Pacific. Asia-Pacific is where, I believe, the 21st century will be defined by. It is very important, of course, to my home State, because as then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said, Asia- Pacific is going to be what defines the 21st century, but, of course, Hawaii is the gateway to the 21st century. And I would also like to plug the fact that we are probably the best thing that the United States ever did was when we became the 50th State. So I would like to ask all of your continued support in keeping us viable, the most forward and the most critical for this country as we pivot to Asia-Pacific and our role in the Pacific arena. Thank you very much, and if there is any questions-- Mr. Frelinghuysen. We thank you for your very eloquent testimony and for the good geography lesson which, from your perspective, you know particularly well. The Asia-Pacific and PACOM, a huge amount of territory to cover. Thank you so much on all of our behalf. [The written statement of Congresswoman Hanabusa follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Mr. Visclosky. Thank you very much. Mr. Frelinghuysen. I believe this does conclude our open hearing for Members, and appreciate all the staff assistance. And whatever we need to put in the record that is submitted, we will do that within the allotted time. And we stand adjourned until April 8. Is that right? April 8. Thank you. Mr. Visclosky. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Wednesday, March 26, 2014. U.S. PACIFIC COMMAND/U.S. FORCES KOREA WITNESSES ADMIRAL SAMUEL J. LOCKLEAR III, USN, COMMANDER, UNITED STATES PACIFIC COMMAND GENERAL CURTIS M. SCAPARROTTI, COMMANDER, UNITED NATIONS COMMAND, COMMANDER, UNITED STATES-REPUBLIC OF KOREA COMBINED FORCES COMMAND, AND COMMANDER, UNITED STATES FORCES KOREA Opening Statement of Chairman Frelinghuysen Mr. Frelinghuysen. The meeting will come to order. I would like to recognize the ranking member for a motion. Mr. Visclosky. Mr. Chairman, I move that those portions of the hearing today which involve classified material be held in executive session because of the classification of the material to be discussed. Mr. Frelinghuysen. So ordered. Thank you, Mr. Visclosky. This afternoon, the committee will hold a hearing, a closed hearing, I may add, just for the record, on the status of the United States Pacific Command, United States Forces Korea, we are pleased to welcome Admiral Samuel J. Locklear, U.S. Navy Commander, United States Pacific Command; and General Curtis M. Scaparrotti, Commander, United Nations Command; Commander, United States-Republic of Korea Combined Forces Command, and Commander, United States Forces Korea Admiral, welcome back, and thank you for your service. You have been in command for over 2 years and you bring a wealth of knowledge to this hearing. We look forward to your views on a broad variety of topics in the Pacific area. General Scaparrotti, welcome to the Committee on Defense. Thank you for your service. We look forward to your candid assessment of what is going on in the Korean Peninsula. As everyone is aware, last year General James D. Thurman was our commander on the peninsula and he was asked by President Obama to stay close to home in Korea until the situation calmed down. General, we are happy that the situation today permits you to be here with us. However, we are reminded that we can never be completely sure what happens next in Korea, or for that matter, in Taiwan, or in the Taiwan Straits or in Indonesia. As our forces in Afghanistan return home, and services downsize to a peace-time structure, we are aware that China is modernizing its armed forces, and will have more ships that are significantly improved over earlier versions, including submarines and an aircraft carrier. Long-standing disputes over territory could bubble to the surface with little or no warning as we have seen. The recent Russian annexation of Crimea may encourage similar actions in the Pacific AOR. The pivot to the Pacific, some might say rebalance in the Pacific, will involve shifting as much as 10 percent of our Navy's warships in the Pacific AOR; however, some of the Army's increases in military assets rotate forward into the Pacific to train, but will actually be based in the Continental United States. While discussing readiness, the committee is not convinced by catchy slogans. A force that is smaller but more agile is still smaller. Whether or not the force is adequate and how much risk is being taken requires a judgment of experts, which is why we have asked you to be here today to help sort all of this out as distinguished field commanders. One more topic we must discuss, and about which we want you to understand our position. Sexual assault will not be tolerated. It must be addressed in training and policy, and disciplinary action. Leaders of all ranks must lead by an example, and improper conduct may be dealt with swiftly with punishment that fits the crime. Gentlemen, before we get to your opening statements in a minute, but before we do, Admiral, perhaps you could update us very briefly on your involvement and those under your command for the missing jetliner? Mr. Visclosky. Mr. Chairman? Mr. Frelinghuysen. Yes, Mr. Visclosky. Mr. Visclosky. Before the Admiral starts, I just was remiss in my motion not to remind members that the map that has been provided to us is classified. But secondly, if I could just add to the chairman's statements. This is a closed hearing, gentlemen, and I think it would be very helpful to us as far as our future considerations is if you could be as candid as possible, and as frank as possible, because it is a closed hearing, not a public hearing. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Thank you, Mr. Visclosky. Admiral, welcome. [The written statement of Admiral Locklear follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] [The statement of General Scaparrotti follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] [Clerk's note.--The complete transcript of the hearing could not be printed due to the classification of the material discussed.] Thursday, April 3, 2014. MISSILE DEFENSE AGENCY WITNESS VICE ADMIRAL J.D. SYRING, USN, DIRECTOR, MISSILE DEFENSE AGENCY Chairman Frelinghuysen Opening Statement Mr. Frelinghuysen. The meeting will come to order. I would like to recognize Ranking Member Visclosky for a motion. Mr. Visclosky. Mr. Chairman, I move that the hearing, which involves classified materials, be held in executive session because there is classified material to be discussed. Mr. Frelinghuysen. So ordered. Thank you, Mr. Visclosky. This morning, our subcommittee holds a closed hearing on the fiscal year 2015 budget for the Missile Defense Agency. We would like to welcome Vice Admiral J.D. Syring, director of the Missile Defense Agency, to your first time appearing before our subcommittee. We welcome you and look forward to your testimony this morning. As the hostility continues to escalate on the Korean peninsula, the battery exchanges, the North Korean fire and directing a test of another nuclear device, we are increasingly concerned with the safety of our allies in the Pacific areas of operations and our own homeland defense against missile threats, realizing that our ground-based, mid-course defense has been plagued by test data in recent years, we're anxious to learn of any improvements to the system to increase its reliability. The threat is increasing. We have to figure out a way to make the program reliable to protect America and our allies. Pointing out some of this are several articles the members have in front of them from today's newspapers. Of course, North Korea's not the only threat we face. Iran continues to work on its own missile capabilities. And those two countries have been in collusion for quite a long time, I may add. We need to make sure that we are addressing the threat Iran poses, both to our allies and Israel and to other parties in the region, Europe, and to us here at home. We also need to hear your views on the capabilities of our missile defense, if indeed they are better than our adversaries China and Russia, and what other countries are doing that have missile capability, or even a less capable missile capability that could represent a threat in the hands of people who might want to use a missile. So welcome. We look forward to your testimony and an informative question and answer period. Before we invite your testimony, I'd like to turn to my ranking member, Mr. Visclosky, for any comments he may wish to make. Mr. Visclosky. Chairman, thank you for calling the hearing today. Mr. Frelinghuysen. And Admiral Syring is before us here. Your formal comments will be put into the record, but we welcome any comments you may wish to give. VADM Syring Opening Statement Admiral Syring. Thank you, sir. Good morning, Mr. Chairman, Ranking Member Visclosky, distinguished members of the subcommittee. Out of our total request of $7.46 billion for the fiscal year 2015 missile defense program, we are requesting $1.3 billion approximately, plus Air Force Early Warning Radar upgrades, for homeland defense. My highest priority remains the successful intercept flight test of the CE-II Exo-Atmospheric Kill Vehicle. In January 2013, we conducted a highly successful non-intercept test of the CE-II kill vehicle. Its performance exceeded our expectations and confirmed we are on the right track to return the GMD system to flight testing intercept. I am confident we have fixed the problem and look forward to conducting the intercept test this summer. It will be in June. Best test date right now is June 22nd. I'm also optimistic that we have identified the root cause of the intercept failure involving our first generation EKV last July when the CE-I kill vehicle failed to separate from the booster's third stage. We have accounted for the issue for the upcoming flight test and are working towards a correction to the entire fleet before the end of the year, underscoring the importance of testing. ------ The GMD system fielded in 2004/2005 was designed to counter a very simple threat from North Korea, a bare RV with no countermeasures. The intelligence and flight test data today is very clear that they have moved well past simple countermeasures and attitude control system development. Threat missile launches today contain RV's and non-RV's, which can include tanks, boosters, decoys and other countermeasures. The BMDS must decide which objects are lethal and which are not. We cannot shoot at every object seen by the sensors. If the enemy uses several decoys or releases junk to fly alongside the lethal target, the multiplication of objects in the target scene can quickly exceed the available inventory of interceptors. We must make better use of each interceptor and only shoot what is required to achieve confidence we have killed the lethal RV. We cannot afford to shoot our way out of this problem. This year's budget request will start the development work for a redesigned EKV, a long-range discriminating radar, and other discrimination upgrades needed across the BMD system to address the very problem I described. I am confident that our homeland defense capability will be greatly improved and ahead of the threat by 2020 with this added capability. The new EKV will address longstanding reliability concerns and the new radar will provide the needed sensor tracking and discrimination capability against a threat with complex decoys. We will continue to monitor Iran's development of longer range systems as the requirement for a CONUS Interceptor Site is considered to add battle space and capacity for the warfighter and to consider a permanent long range radar for the east coast as well. By 2020, when the Alaska discrimination radar is complete, our plan will be to move the Sea-based X- band radar to the east coast for equivalent discrimination coverage against the Iranian threat. Mr. Chairman, you will find our plans for the procurement of additional ground-based interceptors, standard missile 3- block IB's, and THAAD interceptors, as well as other planned improvements to the BMDS as part of my written statement. I ask that it be submitted to the record and---- Mr. Frelinghuvsen. Consider it done. Admiral Syring [continuing]. And I look forward to your questions. [The statement of Vice Admiral Syring follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] RECENT GAO REPORT FINDINGS Mr. Frelinghuysen. Thank you for your testimony. I spoke with you briefly. Will you comment on the GAO report? I know these things appear to be timed to cause a fair amount of agony and anxiety, but I know that you're prepared to address some of the issues in there. When you read the title of the report, ``Mixed Progress in Achieving Acquisition Goals and Improving Accountability,'' that doesn't give us a full load of confidence. We have confidence in you, but in the overall program. And I may say, speaking personally, when I talk with my colleagues about our missile defense program, the comment I get is that people are skeptical about it, skeptical about its reliability. So I think one of the things we'd like to achieve here this morning, and we perhaps will have a full complement here, certainly those that are here are keenly interested and others will come, we'd certainly like to--I'd like your initial reaction to the GAO report, because they are, in some quarters, viewed as an honest broker and have pointed out some things that have quite a lot to do with how we put our bill together-- -- Admiral Syring. Yes, sir. Mr. Frelinghuysen [continuing]. And how we fund you. Thank you. Admiral Syring. Let me cover the program parts of the GAO report first and then I'll talk more about EPAA, European phased adaptive approach, in more detail. The GAO has, and rightfully so, pointed out issues in the past with the Missile Defense Agency on concurrency and the way that we acquire systems, and developing overly optimistic concurrent acquisition strategies, and there are examples of that in the past, but I can tell you since I've been the director, we've actually stepped back, and in some cases, redone the acquisition strategies, for example, the way that we're testing and readying for tests and new interceptors for the GBI. That was on the path to test in early 2013. It was a highly concurrent development path and testing path. It was going to be, in my view, rushed to test as opposed to completing the necessary ground and workup tests for the intercept test, so we went back to that schedule in particular and redid it. There are other program examples in MDA before we examined it with a view as more fully concurrent schedules. And coming from outside the Agency into this job, you know, we looked at it in great detail, and have actually taken a turn to go back to all of the development schedules with MDA to ensure that we properly manage and account for concurrency: and in some cases, you know, made changes. The way forward is going to be very important in this area, because of the redesigned EKV now starting--the new radar now starting, the development of those acquisition strategies in a less concurrent way is going to be equally important to ensure their success. So we--I actually concurred with the GAO that concurrency had been a problem. It was actually cited in the last two reports, and I think we've made great progress in that area. Mr. Frelinghuysen. We're obviously, you know, looking at some pretty substantial investments towards 2018. We want to make sure those investments are founded on, you know, some strong assurances from you. Admiral Syring. Yes, sir. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Mr. Visclosky. GROUND-BASED MID-COURSE DEFENSE Mr. Visclosky. Thank you. Admiral, let me ask you a question. We have 30 missiles deployed today, and it's anticipated that will grow to 44 by 2017---- Admiral Syring. Yes, sir. Mr. Visclosky [continuing]. As far as deployment. If we were attacked today and we have a launch, would those work? Do you have confidence that we could shoot down a coming missile? Admiral Syring. Yes, sir. Mr. Frelinghuysen. You do. Admiral Syring. I do. Mr. Visclosky. What test results lead you to believe that? Admiral Syring. The prior test results in terms of actual intercept testing of the older interceptors were very successful. The CE-I, which I referred to in my testimony, had been successfully tested three different times up to the last failure and the first failure last summer. So it was 3 for 4 with those, 0 for 2 with the--CE-II. Mr. Visclosky. If I could ask, just so I know, of the 30 missiles that are underground today, do your remarks cover all 30 of those? Admiral Syring. Yes, sir. 20 plus 10. Mr. Visclosky. And you're saying those would work today? Admiral Syring. Yes, sir. The reliability calculations are factored into the shot doctrine of the warfighter. They will shoot more than one against a threat missile depending on the extent of the scene, meaning when they see a threat RV, there's other stuff that's around it, and depending on how wide that scene is will determine whether they shoot four, five, six or seven against that threat missile. Mr. Visclosky. What about the other 10 that are deployed? Admiral Syring. They are the newer version and they are through shot management in a status that the warfighter will only shoot those if required. Mr. Visclosky. Okay. Accepting--and I'm not suggesting you're not being forthright, accepting that the first 20 deployed would work today if we needed, the 10 are newer versions. I assume the next 14 to be deployed between 13 now and 2017 would be of the newer version? Admiral Syring. Correct. Mr. Visclosky. Why should we deploy any more until you have the same confidence that you could sit here and say those last 10 would work like the first 20? Admiral Syring. You shouldn't. We shouldn't. And that's the reason that we're going to do an intercept test this summer, and it will guide our decision with the warfighter to install the next few that are ready to be completely integrated into the ground. And then there's an annual flight test between now and 2017 that will precede every batch of interceptors before they go into the ground through 44. Mr. Visclosky. So if I understand the sequence, and I hope the tests work, I can't imagine the system that it works, the 10 in the ground would be essentially modernized. For lack of a better term. Are you telling us you wouldn't have the 31st deployed until you are certain it works? Admiral Syring. We wouldn't have the 31st deployed until we successfully pass the intercept test this summer. Mr. Visclosky. Is the 31st one under construction today? Admiral Syring. It was--it's at an intermediate stage, because when we had the failure back in December of 2010, we stopped integration and taking delivery of the GBI's for that very reason, and it would be a matter of restarting the final integration and delivery of those systems under contract. Mr. Visclosky. And if I could, just so I have a clear understanding, as I understand it, this is very pedestrian, we do have the sensors to know if somebody launches? We can track the missile? We can see if the booster works? And from what you are saying on the first 20, they were also--what you are saying is for those additional missiles that are under construction, they would not be under construction to the point that they would have to be retrofitted or modernized per the pressures cells as far as that last sequence, if you would, the end ping that's involved. Admiral Syring. The one--the interceptors that will fly this summer has the correction for the failure that we , saw in 2010, which is an isolated inertial measurement unit (IMU), which is basically the navigation guidance section for the missile. And what had happened, for everybody's background, was there was excessive vibration induced into that measurement unit caused by the combustion of the divert attitude control system. So when it got into space, it will fire thrusters as it sees the threat to get to the threat, and in some cases, that would go into a very rough regime in terms of lots of shaking if it needed to go fast, and it shook the IMU. And the correction is now to isolate the IMU, shock absorbers, if you will, to account for that problem with combustion if it were to have to go very quickly to the threat. That correction will be fed back into the next--to your point, to the 31st interceptor before it is fielded, and we will test that obviously this summer. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Would the gentlemen yield? Mr. Visclosky. Absolutely. Mr. Frelinghuysen. If the threat involves a lot of decoys, what happens? Admiral Syring. Today, we would--the warfighter would shoot more to be certain of the outcome. Mr. Frelinghuysen. And those that we shoot more of are of the same reliability---- Admiral Syring. They would---- Mr. Frelinghuysen [continuing]. Group as the one that you have enhanced? Admiral Syring. They would first come from the older versions that have been successfully flight-tested and then they would go to the newer versions if required. Mr. Frelinghuysen. I thank the gentleman for yielding. Mr. Visclosky. I have used enough time. I am not a fan of concurrency and going back and modernizing, retrofitting just to get it right and then proceed. That is my concern going forward, and I am pleased that there is not going to be before final completion test until they get ready, and I hope generally. Admiral Syring. Sure. Mr. Visclosky. Thank you. Mr. Frelinghuysen. We are on your side. We want you to know there is a big--some questions need to be answered. Ms. Granger. Thank you, Mr. Visclosky. THREAT OF NORTH KOREA Ms. Granger. Thank you. In front of us is a Washington Times article Wednesday about North Korea that poses some questions about how ready we are and how--what I would like to know is what is the assessment, how often do we do an assessment, how accurate are we, how do we get information from a country we don't have a lot of conversation with? And last week when North Korea launched those intermediate range ballistic missiles, we had no warning. So what is our system of warning? How soon did you know about that? Admiral Syring. There is intelligence that we've relied upon to give you both public and private testimony, and there is actually a very detailed briefing that is prepared by the intelligence community every morning that we read, myself, the chairman, the vice chairman and Secretary of Defense, so the very latest developments, and sometimes they are hourly developments, so we have very, very up-to-date information on what they are doing. ------ Ms. Granger. Is that the way the North Koreans have acted for some time, or with the change at the top? Is there a difference? Admiral Syring. They've acted this way during this sort of calendar year period of provocation, they did it last year, they are doing it again this year, they've done it previously in the spring. They typically knock it off about May, because that's when the rainy season happens, but we don't--we can't rely on that, but it has been on an annual basis when they've paraded these things around. In particular, my view, if they are doing this in response to the South Korean exercise that is going on, the United States would know it and you know they are shooting rockets as well into South Korea. Ms. Granger. Right. Thank you. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Thank you, Ms. Granger. Mr. Owens. GMD CONTRACTING COSTS Mr. Owens. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Admiral, nice to see you again. Admiral Syring. Yes, sir. Mr. Owens. A couple questions. Mr. Visclosky had queried you about the testing in 2010. You responded that you are making modifications as a result of that failure. Who is bearing the cost of that? Admiral Syring. We--the contract that we signed with Boeing has us bearing the cost of that. Mr. Owens. Now, is that because it was a design flaw? Admiral Syring. It was a design flaw, but it was--it was from the design that was rushed into the ground in 2004 and 2005. Mr. Owens. Is that something that you are looking at in future contracting to make sure that those kinds of failures are borne by the contractor? Admiral Syring. Yes, sir. And the new kill vehicle acquisition strategy will include a contracting strategy that will put the latent defect design responsibility on the contractor. MISSILE THREATS TO THE UNITED STATES Mr. Owens. The countries that you have listed in your testimony, India, Pakistan, China, Russia, Iran, what is the likely trajectory of a launch by them into the United States? Admiral Syring. There are two countries right now that possess the long--and I'll just talk about the rogue nations in particular, with North Korea and potentially Iran down the road. The estimate is that Iran could test launch an ICBM by 2015, and I would assess that North Korea could launch an ICBM at any point. Mr. Owens. And what would--where would the trajectory be? Would it be a polar trajectory? Admiral Syring. Both would come from the north over the pole. The Iranians would come close to there, but would come more to the pole than the North Koreans. Mr. Owens. In the event of a launch, how many rockets would you expect them to shoot at the United States? The reason I ask the question is you said that in response to a target coming in, you might launch as many as five or six missiles to intercept. If I do my math correctly, that would leave you with a limited number of additional missiles to launch against another target. Admiral Syring. Yes, sir. Mr. Owens. So do you have an understanding of what their strategy might be if they were to engage in a launch? ------ -- ---- Mr. Owens. So you have a reasonably high level of confidence, then, that they would only be able to launch a number of rockets that you would have the capacity to intercept? Admiral Syring. Today, sir. And that is why it is so critical to get to 44 by 2017. And that is why it is so critical to have these discrimination capabilities, to get the shot doctrine down to where we might only shoot two and then assess through this radar we are talking about, and then shoot more if we have to, but hopefully not. Mr. Owens. Thank you very much. I yield back. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Thank you, Mr. Owens. Mr. Kingston. ISRAELI MISSILE DEFENSE SYSTEMS Mr. Kingston. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Admiral. Admiral Syring. Good morning, sir. Mr. Kingston. Thank you for being here. I want to ask you if we are going to finish up the funding for the Iron Dome this year. And the $176 million, is that completed? Admiral Syring. Right now we don't have--we don't have an agreement with them beyond that. Mr. Kingston. But will it be finished? I mean, is there any reason to believe that they need more time or more money? Admiral Syring. I think it is safe to say they will come in and ask for more money. Mr. Kingston. How much more? If you had to say, you know, is it 90 percent complete, is it 80 percent? What--how would you classify? Admiral Syring. Their requirement is, frankly, not well known as well as I can tell you what the U.S. requirement is and such. The funding that we requested will add two more batteries and a series of interceptors to their inventory, but what is not accounted for is how many are they expending through these uprisings and conflicts that happen. And I wouldn't say no, sir; I would say it has just not happened yet in terms of them asking for more funding, for more interceptors in particular. Mr. Kingston. Is Iron Dome still the primary? I mean, you know they need David's Sling and Arrow 3 development, but is Iron Dome the number one that is put--if you have a dollar, that is where you guys spend it? Admiral Syring. They are most concerned about that, having the proper inventory if there were to be another large scale conflict. Mr. Kingston. And what about the joint agreement clause about U.S. providers not being able to provide more than 5 percent? Does that just artificially make it awkward and run up costs? And, you know, it seems like a lot of money we are giving them to hold us at 5 percent. Not only is it a little bit small, but there should be a lot of flexibility in that. Admiral Syring. We actually signed a co-production agreement with them 2 weeks ago that will give 30 percent of the FY 14 Iron Dome amounts to U.S. production capacity, and FY 15 is 55 percent of what they provide to the United States. Mr. Kingston. And that is not part of the run-up costs doing that? It is not an option? Admiral Syring. Their position is that it has increased costs somewhat. Our data is different, that you all appropriated last year $15 million for non-recurring costs associated with co-production. Raytheon, who works very closely with us, is in contract negotiations with the Israeli Rafael Missile Company, and they indicated to us that it is no more than $11 million in non-recurring for their standup costs. In addition, there is a detailed contract negotiation going on with Raytheon and Rafael that has an agreement clause in it that it is not--that if the costs of components provided by Raytheon exceed 5 percent, that Rafael can go to a different source. So Raytheon has a strong motivation to provide affordable costs. Mr. Kingston. And then tell me where Arrow 2 and Arrow 3 are, because there was a successful flight this January, right? Admiral Syring. Yes, sir. Mr. Kingston. And so that does mean that we are there when Arrow 3 and Arrow 2 starts getting ramped down? Admiral Syring. Arrow 2 has still not been through an intercept test. We've done a fly out test. We are testing the longer range target with them as well, and so is Arrow. I wouldn't say Arrow 3 is there until we get through two or three intercept tests. Arrow 2 is obviously fielded, but that is a lower tier system. Mr. Kingston. How many do they have? How many do they need apiece? Admiral Syring. Arrow 2? Mr. Kingston. Uh-huh. Admiral Syring. There is a series of radars and batteries. I don't know the exact number, I will get it to you for the record, but it has certainly provided a lower tier defense for them today. Mr. Kingston. Whatever is unclassified in that kind of discussion would be very helpful to me, the number that they need, the number that they have in Arrow 2, 3, and what their capacity is on Iron Dome. Admiral Syring. I will take that for the record. I am not sure it is unclassified based on how they hold their information, but I will get the information. [Clerk's note.--The answer was classified.] Mr. Frelinghuysen. We can talk about it here. It is just a question of whether you have the information. Admiral Syring. I think I will have to take it for the record, sir, to get you the exact number. Ms. Granger. Can I ask a question? Mr. Frelinghuysen. Jump in. We have a small number here. Let me add that you have brought General Greaves and Ms. Schlacter. Normally there is a huge group that comes with many of our witnesses, so we want to commend you for showing austerity. Mr. Kingston. If the chairman will yield, I want to say he's not just speaking for this committee, but for other committees. I think all of us are--and it perturbs us sometimes when witnesses come and they have an entourage with them, and you wonder, well, who is running the shop, so---- Admiral Syring. I would drive myself if I had a parking space over here. I can't seem to find parking, so---- Mr. Frelinghuysen. I think Ms. Granger wanted some of your time. Ms. Granger. If I could. Admiral Syring. Yes, ma'am. Ms. Granger. Because the information that I have is that we have entered the phase of Iron Dome where that part of production would move to the United States, and when that happens, it comes out of the money, so there won't be enough funding for the interceptors that were planned for, and that is why the President's plan has less--has a fewer number than they need. Is that not right? Thank you. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Do you reclaim your time, or go to Mr. Ryan? Mr. Kingston. I yield. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Mr. Ryan. Mr. Ryan. You are a gentleman, Mr. Kingston. Thank you. When you are a senator, you will have an entourage following you around, and we will call you out on it, too. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Maybe we should strike some of this from the record. Mr. Kingston. I was wondering what it will be like when I write a book. Will I get a big entourage, too? POTENTIAL EAST COAST SITE Mr. Ryan. No. And no advance in the House of Representatives. Sorry you had to partake in all this. The discussion of the third ground-based mid-course defense system, and Ravenna, one of the four sites, is in my congressional district, and I just wanted to talk to you a little bit about timeline. You said it is going to be about 24 months for the environmental studies to be done. Is that still the case? Is it still something you think, in your estimation, is appropriate for us to move forward with? Obviously there are a lot of budget challenges and competing interests here. Can you talk a little bit about that? Admiral Syring. Yes, sir. The status is that we are done. And you know this well, sir, but for everyone else, we are down to four sites that we are looking at as part of the environmental study, and all four will be evaluated and we started that process. We are also on tap to develop a contingency plan, meaning don't discuss the environmental study for 2 years and then visit this again. This is like a development plan on how you would do it when the requirement came. So each of the sites will have a part to the contingency plan in terms of the specific issues that we have at each site in terms of how we would actually do it. It won't be the detailed, you know, design work until we actually select a site, but there is a lot of work that we can do at each site in terms of planning, requirements and acquisition, cost estimating that we will do as part of this contingency plan. It will be very comprehensive. We actually already have a very comprehensive requirements document written for a CONUS Interceptor site, meaning how would you take the requirement for A fielding 20 interceptors and then start to put it into specific language that I need this much power and this much geographic space, I need--you know, I need power at this capacity of this quality. That is just one example, but it is approximately a 300-page document, and we have worked on that over the last 6 months. All of that will progress, and our schedule is 24 months. And that is, frankly, aggressive for an Environmental Impact Study. The DOD average is, I would say, 3 years, almost 4 years in the past, but we have people from a global deployment standpoint that have done this worldwide that know how to do it. We did it in Alaska in that same period of time, so I am confident if we had to go do this, we could. So that is point one. Step two is your question on what is the requirement, what is the need, are we going to--you know, are we going to proceed with this. And I always answer that with the east coast CONUS interceptor site. We actually call it CONUS because east is a great value for battle space and capacity, meaning there is time to shoot later and there is time for the warfighter to assess whether we hit and killed the lethal object, or the re- entry object. That is what the east coast site is. The priorities in terms of budget are as I laid out: Let's get to 44 interceptors by 2017; let's continue to improve the reliability of those interceptors so the warfighter has confidence; let's test those interceptors; let's focus on the discrimination and sensor capability to the west for North Korea first; and then as Iran continues development, monitor that. Frankly, my view is Iran is behind North Korea in ICBM development in technology, but that doesn't mean they won't catch up. And I think what you will see in the 2016 budget is Admiral Haney and General Jacoby will debate this requirement vigorously, and they would testify to you that they have seen the same benefit, but it is down to, you know, what is the near midterm priority given the budget situation I am under. And I think I have recommended to you the prioritization of that budget to more focus on North Korea first and then do the preparatory work for an interceptor site. Mr. Ryan. Where would--so obviously if you are talking about New York, Ohio, Michigan, it is a matter of seconds, I mean, the difference between---- Admiral Syring. Yes, sir. Mr. Ryan. So where would this interceptor--if one was coming to the east coast, where would the collision be? Where would they meet? Admiral Syring. It would hopefully be up towards the northern part of Canada, north of--between the pole and Canada for a first shot, and then further on down if we hadn't hit it by then, but in all likelihood, you know, we have factored in, you know, where the booster would drop. That is actually the biggest concern in terms of when you shoot, where the booster drops, the first and second stage booster, and we would work to mitigate that through the flight control software to make sure it was developed. Mr. Ryan. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Admiral Syring. And if I could just add, sir, the intercept in all likelihood, you know, it is in space, and the possibility, I mean, as the debris comes down, it will burn up on re-entry. Mr. Ryan. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Thank you, Mr. Ryan. Mr. Womack. THREAT OF NORTH KOREA Mr. Womack. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We continue to see some alarming activity from North Korea, most notably from last year's launch. And I'd like to know what we have learned from those activities either about their capabilities or our own, and have any of these lessons surprised you? ------ Mr. Womack. What is your take-away from that? Admiral Syring. That they are becoming more provocative and less caring about the international reaction. Mr. Womack. So we know they have the capability. Does that change the--and we have known they have that capability, so it doesn't weigh in at all to any of our pre-planning into what, if any, response we would have for any provocative action on their part? Admiral Syring. Yes, it does. And when I talk defense, I am only one part of the equation, but this is the offense-defense strategy that Admiral Haney can talk to you more about and Admiral Winnefeld. In terms of when we do something preemptively, you know, that would be their decision, whether it is something that would trigger that level. I wouldn't say that the tests of an SCUD, you know--you know, advanced SCUD would trigger that sort of reaction. ------ Mr. Womack. Thank you. I will have more questions later. Thank you. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Mr. Cole, are you ready? Mr. Cole. I will pass this round. And thank you, Mr. Chairman. MISSILE DEFENSE TEST FAILURES Mr. Frelinghuysen. I guess I have some time. What is considered to be a--what constitutes a failure? I certainly get the impression that sometimes when things fail, there is some positive spin to it. I sort of detect that. Is that something that I am misinterpreting? Admiral Syring. In terms of our failures? Mr. Frelinghuysen. Yes. Admiral Syring. No, sir. A failure is a failure, and until we successfully achieve an intercept with the new version of the GBI, it is unproven. DISCRIMINATION AND SHOT DOCTRINE Mr. Frelinghuysen. Talk to the committee a little bit about what is called, and I refer to it along with Mr. Visclosky, that the decoy, the whole issue of discrimination here. People are going to be launching something, and you are suggesting that North Korea perhaps will be. And I think at times we are dismissive of North Korea's capabilities. I am not suggesting you feel that way, but I think sometimes people think it is sort of a Rube Goldberg and that things got shot over Japan and plopped into the sea, and in reality, they have ginned up their game, they have got a lot of people that have committed to this missile technology. Tell us about how we discriminate and how difficult that is in terms of the overall--maybe just refer to what we call the shot doctrine. ------ Mr. Frelinghuysen. So how are we ``doing''? Admiral Syring. Today we do not have the homeland defense discrimination capability. So today you look up and you see a cluster of objects. And certainly there is discrimination capability on the kill vehicle itself, but that is leaving it to chance. What you--what the warfighter will do is, based on how wide that cluster of objects is, they will shoot four, five, six interceptors into the cluster. This cluster can be seven kilometers wide. So what will happen is the kill vehicles as they come into the scene, will go for what they determine to be the most lethal object. That could be the re-entry vehicle, that could be the tank, that could be a decoy. The idea is based on the extent of the cluster and the number of lethal objects in that scene, we will put the proper number of interceptors up there to ensure that we kill the re-entry vehicle. Mr. Frelinghuysen. So they could shoot one, we could shoot four or six? Admiral Syring. Yes, sir. Mr. Frelinghuysen. It really depends. Admiral Syring. It does, on the extent of the cluster. SEA-BASED MISSILE DEFENSE Mr. Frelinghuysen. Okay. Just educate me a little bit here. We have got sea-based. Admiral Syring. Yes, sir. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Is there a greater degree of reliability with the sea-based? Evidently there is. Admiral Syring. Sir, the sea-based intercept tests last 10, 12 years, 28 for 34 successful intercepts. A much longer track record. The spy radar in the newer version of the Aegis weapon system computer program, it is called version 4.0, and the new missile, which has been developed and tested, which is the SM-3 missile, this is a follow-on to the capability of the 1A, has a two-color seeker in the kill vehicle, which enables it to not only just discriminate from a Radio Frequency standpoint, but be able to now discriminate in two colors in terms of picking the decoy out of a potential infrared decoy scene. So lots of capability on the SM-3 interceptor. Not probably the same capability on the kill vehicle, but certainly the kill vehicle we designed that we requested is going to have that capability, the onboard discrimination capability as well. The spy radar is very good at the later versions in terms of discriminating a decoy scene. We have tested it against decoys. Last flight test, actually, had decoys up in the scene, and it picked up the lethal object and put a standard missile on the target. COSTS OF MISSILE DEFENSE SYSTEMS Mr. Frelinghuysen. So put some numbers on the cost of what you are doing here and how much we have gotten for the amount of money we have invested? Admiral Syring. Yes, sir. The ground based mid-course defense system has--since 2001, we have spent just over $22 billion. By 2019, with the request you have in front of you, it will be $30 billion. The two improvements that I have asked for, pleaded for, is to get on with the kill vehicle redesign to get out of the prototype nature of the versions that were fielded very rapidly and to provide the varied discrimination capability I spoke about. The kill vehicle redesign is just over $700 million over a period of years and the radar is just over $900 million. So we are talking about an additional development in that range for what I view as a rapid set increase in capability. RELIABILITY CHALLENGES Mr. Frelinghuysen. This is just a personal observation. Your soft underbelly, sort of what I referred to earlier, is just the skepticism about, you know, that this type of investment, and you are not in the public relations business, but in reality, these tests that are recorded, maybe they are not recorded the way that you would like them to be recorded, but there is a sort of essence here that we are making these substantial investments, our committee, I think, has been right there with you, that things are not working out. You are assuring us with a great degree that they are, could work out within the time span. We often have a history of pushing things to the right here. Admiral Syring. Sir, I have been the director now for 16 months. Mr. Frelinghuysen. I know your involvement is incredibly important. Maybe program source, you know. Admiral Syring. And we have been very successful with that program and the Aegis program in terms of the systems that are delivered can intercept any time we shoot. So it is not a matter of hit-to-kill technology being flawed. It is a matter of restoring or putting that discipline into this development for the mid-course defense program. You know--the fielding direction the President gave in 2001, early 2002 was to put these into the ground and provide some defense against the rising North Korean threat. The design cycle was cut short, the system engineering-cycle was cut short and the prototypes were fielded, and, you know, we said we would come back and improve it. And what I am saying as the new director is now it is that time. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Mr. Visclosky. MULTIPLE KILL VEHICLE TECHNOLOGY Mr. Visclosky. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. ------ -- ---- Mr. Visclosky. For an individual booster that is in the ground today, are there more than, if you would, one kill vehicle on top of that booster? Admiral Syring. No, sir. Mr. Visclosky. So when in response to the chairman's question, our launch capability, you are saying two, three, four depending on the decision-maker, those would be the whole booster, everything? Admiral Syring. One would be one, yes, sir. Mr. Visclosky. If you had 30 in the ground today, we launch four, we have got 26 left? Admiral Syring. That is correct. DISCRIMINATION CAPABILITIES OF GROUND-BASED INTERCEPTORS Mr. Visclosky. As you are doing the research, and I assume--and, again, there is just implicitly the difference between the 20 that you have confidence in and the new version is that ability to discriminate as to where that re-entry vehicle is what you want to destroy, to improve that ability? Admiral Syring. I would say it somewhat--I would say it differently, sir, if I could. That the discrimination capability of the CE-I, the older version, and the CE-II is not different. Mr. Visclosky. Okay. Admiral Syring. What we are talking about in terms of the difference in those versions was that the CE-II, and it is hard to say, because it hasn't intercepted yet, was done to improve some of the reliability concerns with the prototype nature of the CE-I's. Mr. Visclosky. And we are talking about a degree of probability. As you proceed with research and development, is the goal in the end, and there is no certainty in life, is that you increase certainty at a launch as opposed to probability? Is that what you are looking towards as far as your shot doctrine? Admiral Syring. We want to--certainty of launch is part of the overall what I call reliability of each interceptor, meaning what confidence do we have that it will launch, it will boost, it will separate and it will kill. And there are probabilities assigned to each of those. And the warfighter has to be nearly 100 percent confident, so his shot doctrine accounts for the reliability. So if it is--say, it is 70 percent, he knows that it will statistically provide 99 percent, 99.9 percent assurance to the American people that we are going to kill the re-entry vehicle, he's going to shoot more. Mr. Visclosky. We talk a lot about the North Korean's and Iranian's, the question I have is capability, assume in a sense because, if you would, I am an old person, I remember mutually assured destruction, that is essentially the deterrent. Admiral Syring. Yes, sir. Mr. Visclosky. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Thank you, Mr. Visclosky. Mr. Cole. Mr. Cole. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And I apologize for getting here late, but I was working for Mr. Calvert on another subcommittee. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Our sympathy. Mr. Cole. But my heart was always with you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Oh. CANCELLED EUROPEAN MISSILE DEFENSE SITE Mr. Cole. Looking at some of the range of possibilities, I know we have made some decisions that are both diplomatic and military in recent years, one of which was to cancel the deployment of anti-missile defense systems in Poland and the Czech Republic. Given what we have seen with the Iranians, and it wasn't designed to deal with the Russians, although I think it probably diplomatically had an impact on their thinking, certainly they reacted to it, would it be wise for us to revisit, based on your capacity, looking at those things, first from the Iranian perspective, but also there is clearly an ancillary diplomatic advantage for us? I won't ask you to comment unless you choose to. Admiral Syring. I have been asked this question before. The third site, not to relive history, but I have done a lot of research on it in terms of the challenges that they faced, it wasn't an easy thing to go do. There was obviously some benefit in terms of homeland protection against the Iranian threat, but the more near-term problem was the vast expansion of the Iranian regional threat to our allies and deployed forces. And the decision to go back and say let's focus on the region was made, and there are people on either side of that decision, but it was made for good reason. And, you know, I have gone back and looked at what did the actual--what would a two-stage GBI in the Czech Republic really provide? And it would encumber the same issues that I have spoken to the chairman and the ranking member about in terms of reliability. We'd be in the same place we are with having to shoot a bunch of interceptors at one threat. So the better decision at this point--and then there was uncertainty on the radar in terms of the Czech Republic that caused us to put the radar there, as I understand. The better discussion is that it will provide the most defense to the United States would be to first do what we are doing, which is discrimination, and then second, to do work with the interceptor site to prepare for that. And it would provide the added interceptor capability. And it would just not be east coast interceptor capability. You can do it today with the 30 going to the 44 to protect the east coast against the Iranian threat. I had concerns, personally, about the trajectories from Iran and our ability to cover all of that from a third site in Poland. THREATS FROM IRAN Mr. Cole. Thank you. That is very helpful, because it wasn't so hard--let me ask you another question concerning the Iranians. Obviously as you are developing our defensive capability--we are watching the defense capability. You have been doing it for a considerable period of time. Give me some assessment of how they are progressing in terms of their offensive capability. Are they doing it about as we anticipated? Are they having problems that maybe set them back or are they ahead of the trend? Admiral Syring. I'm sorry, sir. You said Iran or North Korea? Mr. Cole. Iran. ------ Mr. Cole. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Thank you. Just remind members that this is a classified hearing, so what you are hearing could not be repeated in some other form outside the room. Mr. Moran. SM-3 IB TESTING Mr. Moran. Thanks very much, Mr. Chairman. I apologize for being late, but we had a terribly important hearing under Chairman Calvert, so you can understand. You talked about the GAO report. And I did want to clarify, though, Admiral, they suggested that you delay Raytheon's 3-- SM-3 Block 1B missile until further more successful testing was achieved. Have you done that? Have you carried through that part of the recommendation? Admiral Syring. No, sir. Let me tell you why. The---- Mr. Moran. Has this been asked before? Mr. Frelinghuysen. It has. And I apologize. The coffee machine has a way of regurgitating when we want to hear you. Please speak up. Admiral Syring. The SM-3 1B went through and successfully intercepted five of six times. And the SM-3 was built off--the SM-3 1B was built off the SM-3 1A, and we have actually intercepted successfully with both of those 20 of 22 times. The testing that we did in the 1B intercept program, that coupled with the ground testing that was done, the reliability calculation for the missile, meaning how reliable was it against this requirement, right now it is exceeding its reliability requirement with margin. Mr. Moran. So you said the GAO report was outdated, then, in terms of its conclusions with regard to that? Admiral Syring. I didn't agree with their conclusion on the SM-3 1B program. THREATS FROM PAKISTAN Mr. Moran. Okay. Thank you. Admiral, it is understandable we talk a lot about North Korea when we talk about missile defense and Iran, so on, but I continue to have nagging concerns over Pakistan. If the worst was to happen and Pakistan's government imploded, what preparations do you have with regard to Pakistan and its nuclear capability? Admiral Syring. Sir, with all due respect, I would be out of my league answering that question. Mr. Moran. Yeah. Okay. Admiral Syring. And better suited for Admiral Haney or---- Mr. Moran. Sure. Okay. Admiral Syring [continuing]. Or Admiral Winfield. Mr. Moran. All right. Admiral Syring. It would be speculation and personal opinion, which is not helpful to you. MISSILE DEFENSE PRIORITIES Mr. Moran. Yeah. Okay. If you were asked to cut the missile defense program substantially and you had to pick two out of three, for example, what would you choose would be the most expendable in terms of our missile defense system? Of course, you are Navy. Why am I asking? Admiral Syring. The pressure and the requirements that I get from all of our combatant commanders is to actually be doing more than we are. Honestly--I should be doing more and providing more, I should be providing more navy ships, we should be providing more missiles, I should be providing more GBI's, I should be advancing the capability faster, I should be doing more with directing energy. There are a lot of things that we are doing that are okay given the budget situation and that they understand you can't always do everything, but there is not one program right now that I would put a bullet in. Mr. Moran. And I am sure the Air Force is going to say the same thing, I suspect, on that. General Greaves. Yes, sir. I support the Admiral. Admiral Syring. But I have got to say, sir, I don't know if you track this, but we were pursuing the PTSS satellite program and the SM-3 2B missile program, and both of those in last year's budget were killed. And I came in as the new director, was asked to assess both, and I agreed with both of those decisions. Technical immaturity, concurrent acquisition, overselling the actual capability of what those could provide, frankly, the cost, billions of dollars to get to field either one. Mr. Moran. How much did we save when we killed those programs? Admiral Syring. My estimate on the 2B development was 5- to $6 billion development program. PTSS was in the $10 billion range, probably. Mr. Moran. Mr. Chairman, thank you. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Thank you. Mr. Calvert. GROUND-BASED MID-COURSE DEFENSE Mr. Calvert. Yes, Mr. Chairman. I apologize also, with all these hearings going on, but I appreciate your indulgence. So if a question has already been asked, please let me know, but as you know, the Pentagon announced a tactical shift in the ballistic missile defense strategy, changing the focus from the overseas to more of the domestic protection of the homeland. And part of that action, as I am sure has been talked about, is increasing the number of ground-based interceptors from 30 to 44. However, as I understand it, some of the mid- course defense tests have failed, and I am not sure if that is the same standard missile testing you were talking about or if that is another missile also, and so that has been raising some questions of reliability and performance. So on these Missile Defense Agency, these ground-based mid-course defense systems, how do you see the recent test failures, and if it is the same failures, I am not sure if they are or not, how that is going to impact the purchase of additional ground-based systems? Admiral Syring. The last two tests of the new GBI have failed, and we have been in extensive rework period of the two issues that we saw during that flight test. They have been tested in a non-intercept flight test back in January of last year. We will test that again this summer, sir, in an intercept test, and we are confident through the testing we have done in the non-intercept flight testing, we are ready. The question is, what does it mean, the 44, which is a good question. And what I have said previously to the ranking member was in the budget request before you, we have asked for an intercept every year between now, and, frankly, it is every year between now and fiscal year 2018 before we field the next batch of interceptors. So there is an intercept test this summer that will inform our decision to field the next eight, which puts us on a wave, on a path to 44. So the intercept test in fiscal year 2015, that forms the next batch to fiscal year 2017, so we have confidence. Mr. Calvert. So that is going to affect the timeline for the installation and deployment of these ground units? Admiral Syring. If there were a failure on the intercept test, yes, sir. Mr. Calvert. What initiatives is the Missile Defense Agency taking to improve the overall performance of the entire ballistic missile defense system in the near and long-term? Admiral Syring. Primarily in the area of discrimination. Mr. Calvert. Does that mean decoys? Admiral Syring. Yes, sir. Mr. Calvert. When you discriminate---- Mr. Frelinghuysen. Mr. Calvert, we have covered some of this ground, but a little bit. Admiral Syring. Yes, sir. Decoys, the ability to pick out a re-entry vehicle from the decoy scene. Mr. Calvert. Thank you. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Mr. Crenshaw. MISSILE DEFENSE CAPABILITY ON NAVY SHIPS Mr. Crenshaw. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And I apologize for being late. I had to chair another subcommittee. I know we are all busy. But welcome, Admiral. And thank the chairman. This is, I know, the first time we have had a briefing like this, and I think to your credit, sir, and I am glad you are here before the subcommittee. I imagine you have talked a lot about all the issues that surround ballistic missiles, missile defense. It is the one thing that I wanted to bring up, because we talk a lot in this subcommittee about numbers matter, and I know if we don't have the land-based missile defense that I am sure you have talked about already, the fact that a lot of that will now be designated for ships, cruisers and destroyers, and we have heard testimony in this subcommittee often that we don't have all the ships that we need, and when we have less ships, then we have less capability. So could you just comment on that, on that piece? For instance, one of the things we heard from the Secretary of the Navy, there is a plan to lay up 11 cruisers, take them out of service, not decommission them, but it will take up to 9 years to modernize them, so they will be docked somewhere. So when we have less ships, it seems to me we have less capability. Can you comment on that as it impacts your ability to do the things you need to do? Admiral Syring. We have today 30 ballistic missile defense ships in the Navy, and those are in extraordinarily high demand by the combatant commanders, and in some cases, and all cases we are not meeting the full requirement as is. They take risks. They understand that. Because you need to consider ship stations and deployment, times and maintenance times, you really begin to--up to 10 of the 30 are available at any one point in time. About a third is a good metric. We are going to have 43 ships by 2019, which is going to be vitally important to them. The other part of both the modernization plan and the new construction plan going forward is that when we build a destroyer or we modernize a destroyer, or cruiser for that matter, it will come with a computer program and missiles to be multi-mission, meaning it will have all the mission capability it has today plus ballistic missile defense, which I think is going to give the combatant commanders great flexibility in the future where you don't have to think about the BMD destroyer, you think about a destroyer, and it is inherent that the BMD capability---- Mr. Crenshaw. But just until we get to that point, I guess we are assuming, like any situation, more risk and we have got to balance that. Admiral Syring. Yes, sir. Mr. Crenshaw. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Thank you. Mr. Kingston. STEM EDUCATION Mr. Kingston. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Admiral, we hear a lot that we are falling behind on STEM and STEM education in the years, and I am never really sure how much of that is politically popular rhetoric versus how much is reality. But, you know, just incredible to understand that, you know, your mission's been described as hitting a golf ball in outer space 200 miles away, and it takes a lot of smart kids to do that. So I was just wondering, you know, is it really--are we really dangerously behind on STEM? Are we getting there? Admiral Syring. We---- Mr. Kingston. And I am not asking for expert testimony and all that, but just a general question. Admiral Syring. We at the Agency, we have a very active STEM program to go and not just deal with the college folks graduating, but to get in at the high school level as well with the importance of science technology. And I will give you an anecdotal metric, if it is useful to you. When we have an opening for a rocket scientist, because that is what we have, you know, people with--the smartest people, and I have said this, probably the smartest people in the world working at the Missile Defense Agency. We haven't yet seen a problem with qualified applicants in terms of getting the right people to come work on a very exciting mission. I have many more applicants than what we have space for. So people want to work there, people understand the importance. That said, I do--I agree with your premise that there is a wider problem in the United States of growing those type of people. The STEM metric that I see and internalize is that between China and India, there are 2.4 billion people, and society says about 10 percent of those will be exceptional, high performing people, so their gene pool every year is 240 million exceptional, high performing people. Our population is 320 million, so we are picking from 32 million people every year, if you will. So we are up against those sort of volume and metrics, and, frankly, I am concerned about it. Mr. Kingston. When you are looking at those applicants, which universities are you typically seeing that, you know, are really turning them out? And I don't necessarily mean that they are the best and the brightest, but that their interest level is pushing them in your direction? Admiral Syring. The United States Naval Academy. That is a guaranteed job. Mr. Kingston. That was a setup. I know, this is a very important question. As you know, I went to Georgia Tech, but I wanted to throw some bones to some of the people. Admiral Syring. Not Notre Dame. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Your time is expired. Notre Dame is recognized, Mr. Visclosky. Admiral Syring. Yeah. We are seeing--we see a lot of candidates from MIT, from Virginia Tech, frankly, from the University of Alabama in Auburn, down in the Huntsville area, and there is no shortage of qualified engineers coming out of those schools that want to work on missile defense. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Mr. Visclosky, equal time. Mr. Visclosky. You get some gold stars there. Mr. Frelinghuysen. He did his homework, didn't he? TRANSITION OF MISSILE DEFENSE TO THE SERVICES Mr. Visclosky. He did his homework. On the transition of missile defense, a couple of questions. What is the plan as far as the transition of elements of your ownership to the military services for operations? Admiral Syring. Yes, sir. That the system is being transferred in terms of the THAAD batteries that have been fielded and transferred to the Army. We are going to in total field seven THAAD batteries, and as they are completed in production, they will transition to the Army. The Aegis systems, as they field and are tested, transition to the Navy for operation. Certainly we continue to participate in terms of the operation and support of the BMD's specific missions, which is a part of what they do just so that the Navy is not funding that all on their own, so there is an operation and support tail for us for that system. We also help the Army. There is a small cell that helps the army with the THAAD system as well to continue the engineering support, software support that they need from us, but those two systems transfer to the Navy and the Army. The GMD system has resided and I think will reside with me for, you know, the foreseeable future. It is operated by the Army National Guard up in Alaska and under the control of the northern command and the strategic command, but given the low procurement quantities and, frankly, the issues that we are working through, that is still my responsibility in terms of development in the field. Mr. Visclosky. Of the $7.5 billion request, are there iterations of those expenditures in the services in the existing budget or is there a transition as far as what the military will be picking up out of that amount? Of the various services, I should say. Admiral Syring. There are agreements that reside with each of the services on what the plan is for transition and their responsibilities. Mr. Visclosky. And I assume that they are continuing to grow, then, to some point as you continue to transition. Admiral Syring. Yes, sir. We will assume more of the THAADs and the issues responsibilities, just like the Army has completely taken over the Patriot, for example. Mr. Visclosky. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. ISRAELI MISSILE DEFENSE PROGRAMS Mr. Frelinghuysen. Just reclaiming, thank you, Mr. Visclosky, my time. Just a few comments on the relationship, our relationship with the state of Israel. I do think that the investments our committee has made certainly if your nation's survival depends on technology to some extent, that is what we are--we have--I think we have provided them with a degree of survivability. And I would think in some ways they are a sort of test bed for technology and expertise. And I am sure you would assure us that you are following very closely everything they are doing? Admiral Syring. Yes, sir, we are; on the development programs, very, very close. Mr. Frelinghuysen. This committee's been involved, I think, for maybe 15 years. God only knows whether it was on Arrow for a long time. Admiral Syring. We are co-developing them with Arrow. And I have a program manager who is, frankly, in Israel today working with them. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Oh, it is a commendable situation, and I think we benefit from that. Admiral Syring. We rely on them and their expertise. Without them, we couldn't do it. RUSSIAN AND CHINESE CAPABILITIES Mr. Frelinghuysen. Just could you briefly comment-- sometimes we take our eye off the ball. How will you briefly describe where the Russians are, where the Chinese are? Oftentimes we use these expressions, you know, this nation is more robust than the other and then some perhaps not up to speed. How would you classify your counterparts in Russia and China in a brief summation? Admiral Syring. Yes, sir. Their ballistic missile defense capability in both nations is increasing numbers and capability, and we know that. And we know that we will never be---- Mr. Frelinghuysen. Land-based, space-based? ------ Mr. Crenshaw. Will the gentleman yield on that point? Mr. Frelinghuysen. Yes. Mr. Crenshaw. Mr. Crenshaw. I read that we are having talks--when we cancelled the missile defense in the Czech Republic, Poland, that we had conversations with Russians about missile defense and then, of course, after the Ukraine, we halted those. Is that going on, that we are sharing information? Admiral Syring. No, sir. Mr. Crenshaw. Not true? Admiral Syring. Not since I have been the director---- Mr. Crenshaw. Thank you. Admiral Syring [continuing]. For 16 months. Mr. Frelinghuysen. ------ Admiral Syring. On Russia information. Sure. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Well, Russia and China's capabilities. Admiral Syring. Yes, sir. We'd be happy to provide that. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Some of this I am familiar with, some of it I am not that familiar with, but I am sure everybody--part of their education appreciate that opportunity. Admiral Syring. The other thing, Mr. Chairman, if I can. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Please. Admiral Syring. The advance--you have all heard about the CSS Five, the 2-1 ballistic threat from China, and they have tested that several times and they have a few dozen in their inventory, is the ability of a ballistic missile at 1,600 kilometers to target our sea base, and we are--in this budget have proposed a sea-based terminal defense program to field on the Aegis class ships with the SM-6 missile to defeat that threat. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Well, we will set something up. Ms. Granger. Ms. Granger. Thank you. Mr. Chairman, I would want to make note of the fact that I also had a subcommittee meeting, however, I was on time. I was on time. I just thought I would mention that. Mr. Frelinghuysen. We could not have a meeting without you. Ms. Granger. Thank you very much. Mr. Frelinghuysen. You are vice chairman. SHARING OF INFORMATION AMONG THREAT NATIONS Ms. Granger. That is right. Thank you. I was in Saudi Arabia, and the Saudis were talking about what was going on with Iran and how vital it was that we stop them from having a nuclear weapon. And the person I was talking to drew lines from that situation, if they had nuclear weapons, to the countries that would share and ensure their nuclear weapons all over the world, frankly. So I think it would be good also, what you are talking about and where Russia and China is, but also who's sharing and what their capabilities are. And I just ask you today, what is the likelihood that North Korea would sell their technology to Iran, or are they already sharing it? Admiral Syring. High. Yes, ma'am. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Would the gentlewoman yield? Are you saying that they, what, 17 years ago gave, you know, launch, missile launch stuff to Iran? Admiral Syring. ------ ISRAELI MISSILE DEFENSE PROGRAMS Ms. Granger. One other short question, and I have information right now, but if we were to fill in the gap on the interceptors that Israel has said that they agree upon a number that is lower right now, what is the cost of that to fill in that gap? Admiral Syring. I was just telling the other distinguished member that we don't--we have asked, and to get their true requirement is very difficult for us. And they hold that very, very close. ------ Ms. Granger. Thank you. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Mr. Calvert or Mr. Cole. Mr. Aderholt gets 3 minutes. RAILGUN TECHNOLOGY Mr. Calvert. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just a quick question. And maybe this is more theater defense versus ballistic defense, but this new Railgun technology coming online, I have read about the potential as a deterrent, especially for theater-type systems but do you see any future in that? Admiral Syring. I do. And we are working closely with the Railgun office on what it actually might provide. Certainly it is on the right side of the cost equation in terms of the cheaper projectile, but there are several technical challenges in terms of the gun barrel, the projectile that have to be worked through, but we are very interested in that technology. INDEPENDENT ASSESSMENTS OF PROGRAMS Mr. Calvert. One other quick question. I would imagine in your world, assessment of the systems have to be absolutely right on. So how important is independent assessment of these type of systems to make sure that there is no prejudice involved? Admiral Syring. Critical. I actually--my test plan is actually co-signed with Dr. Gilmore in DOT&E, so he approved my test plan. And I couldn't have any more--I couldn't have a stronger partnership for that very reason. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Mr. Cole. Mr. Cole. Just quickly for the record, if those guys from Alabama were that smart, they wouldn't have underestimated Oklahoma in the Sugar Bowl. A Texan would never make that mistake. Mr. Frelinghuysen. That will be part of the record. MISSILE DEFENSE PARTNER NATIONS Mr. Cole. I am still living in the afterglow of the moment. We talked a lot in this committee about the cooperation, the cooperative relationship we have with Israel in this particular area. Can you discuss, if any, the cooperative relationships we have with our European allies, other countries that we are working with jointly on this and the degree of help that is to our program? Admiral Syring. Yes. First I will talk NATO, then I will talk other examples of countries. Cooperation we have through NATO, we actually feel in 2011 the command and control capability, and their command and control in Europe is actually connected to our command and control as well to share information, share situational information from their standpoint. So there is actual interconnectivity between the United States and NATO on that. The partnerships that we have geographically are with Poland, Romania, the ability to send destroyers to Spain. This is more classified than we talked about today, work going on with the United Kingdom in a couple of very key areas. We are in discussions with the Netherlands on how they can provide sensing capability with their ships when they are at sea to provide the coverage as part of the network. And I would say that there are two or three other countries that we are working with to provide at least a situational awareness, certain tracking capability from their sources. The Netherlands and Germany were very forthright in terms of putting Patriot batteries into Turkey with the Syria uprising, and we are thankful for that. And I think there are technology opportunities in overhead sensing satellite capability that we continue to pursue a different classification of. CYBERSECURITY Mr. Cole. One additional question, quickly, if I may, Mr. Chairman. You must be, from a foreign intelligence perspective, about the most tempting target in the United States in terms of technology, in terms of the things you deal with. Could you give us some description of, number one, your confidence that you are able to fend that off, and the kind of threats that you see coming--particularly, obviously, as it is related to cyber security, but any other just security concern you might have, that the technology that you have, which is very pressing and very important, you know, is ever at risk of being stolen or compromised. Admiral Syring. We have actually a 24/7 cyber security cell at MDA, meaning a fully manned, 24-hour watch team of individuals--I won't tell you the number, it would fill this room--that monitor the network trafficking and intrusion that happen every day, the people that are trying. And they are trying. And I have stood up, and this was stood up before me, but there is an active defense at MDA to counter that very specific threat. Mr. Cole. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Excellent question. Mr. Aderholt, gentleman from Alabama. NEW EXO-ATMOSPHERIC KILL VEHICLE Mr. Aderholt. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I apologize for being late. As you know, our full committee chairman has a busy schedule of hearings, and I just came from my chairing an Agriculture hearing. So thank you for letting me come in a bit late this morning. I want to ask about the EKV. I was wondering if you could provide the committee what kind of profile and what kind of freedom of procedures you would need in order to test and deploy a new EKV by fiscal year 2018, and any comments that you could make about that? Admiral Syring. Yes, sir. The reason for the request is well known in terms of factoring it to more manufacturing, testing of the EKV. We requested because we are trying to get out of the design that was fielded back in the early 2000s of a prototype. And, frankly, to the chairman's point, we have had issues with that design, and the need to get this to a very high .99 reliability is critical for the long-range defense of the Nation. We requested $729 million in this year's budget, which includes the adequate funding for flight testing that EKV in 2018. We will actually do a non-intercept flight test and a flight test in 2018 to test that. And if those are successful, that will serve as the basis for us to begin manufacturing of those kill vehicles to go to the new interceptors, but maybe more importantly, to go back to the interceptors that are in the ground, where we can form fit replacement and take out the current EKV and put the new EKV in. That would be the plan long-term starting in 2020. Mr. Aderholt. If I don't know where you have it, but could you provide us with a list of how many interceptors each of our regional combatant commanders have requested broken down by base command? Admiral Syring. Yes, sir, for the record. [The information follows:] The fiscal year (FY) 2015 President's Budget funds an increase of the Ground-Based Interceptor (GBI) force from 30 to 44 by the end of FY 2017. Currently there are 26 GBIs emplaced at Fort Greely, Alaska with 4 remaining at Vandenberg Air Force Base, California. Location for the additional GBIs will be at Fort Greely or as directed. With regard to regional ballistic missile defense systems, the combatant commanders submit their requirements to the Joint Staff (J-3) for validation, prioritization, and apportionment by the Joint Staffs global force management process. The Missile Defense Agency defers to the Joint Staff for the specifics on how the interceptors are apportioned. AEGIS ASHORE Mr. Aderholt. Okay. And I wanted to ask about your comments on the progress of working with our allies on Aegis ashore developments. Admiral Syring. Yes. The Romania development is doing very, very well. Mr. Chairman, to your point and others that have read the EPAA, the GAO EPAA report, I would take issue with the characterization of that, because we are on track. We actually fielded the command and control capability for EPAA phase 2 in late 2011, and that will be the capability that will be required for 2015 fielded in Romania. So that will bring with it the ability to, and we have it today, the ability of each ship to conduct launch operations, meaning able to fire from the ship without having a track on the radar. And we demonstrated that with two flight tests in the past 2 years. So that launch on remote capability is what gives you the coverage in Europe, so that we are going to have ships stationed there. And in order to get the wide defended area along with the Aegis ashore site in Romania gives us the first increment of European coverage, with the second increment provided by Poland in 2018. All of that is on schedule, on track. I took a briefing this morning on it, as a matter of fact. TWO-STAGE INTERCEPTOR Mr. Aderholt. And just briefly, the two-stage version of the GMD interceptor and how it compares at coverage with the Aegis ashore deployment of our largest SM-3 missile, including development, would it be a strategic advantage to have those? Admiral Syring. We have a plan for a two-stage test in this year's budget. We have always had a plan it is going to be tested out in the 2019 time frame. There is some development work that has to go out and finish the testing to follow up on the testing that was done several years ago, but our plan still remains to field a two-stage interceptor, both at Vandenberg and Fort Greely. It provides us the flexibility with the three- stage to handle problems with interceptors in terms of, say, we are not successful at two-stage, has a much shorter range, so if you needed to, you fire one of those in the end game just to make sure you have got it. So we view it as very complementary capability and required capability. As far as commenting about the two-stage, I went over this previously, the two-stage in Poland back in--it was cancelled back in 2009, it would have been the subject of the same shot doctrine limitations I have today with the current GBIs, so the ability to defeat, you know, more than one or two threats is probably what the tender provided. And in my estimation, it is best for us to focus on making use of the interceptors that we have with discrimination capability to get the shot doctrine down to protect the whole United States with less interceptors. We can do that today, but the shot doctrine is not where we want to be long-term, and it is up to me to provide the tools to make that decision. Mr. Aderholt. Thank you. LASER SYSTEMS Mr. Frelinghuysen. Thank you. Just a couple of questions. When I first got on the committee, Jones & Bartlett kept pounding me on the magnetic pulse. I am not sure where the momentum--where that is these days, but I do have concerns. I know we have some investments in laser systems. I think we cancelled one, but this is--I come from the school, let's expect the unexpected. What are we doing, and perhaps more importantly, what are, let's say, the Russians and Chinese doing in this area? I hate to think we would be making all these substantial investments, but I assume as we do that, we are taking a look at ways that they could be disabled, crippled or, for that matter, vaporized. Admiral Syring. ------ Mr. Frelinghuysen. Well, I am talking about that, but I will be willing to talk about what you were talking about. I was just wondering where we are relative perhaps to--are the Russians and Chinese working on something and behind the scenes in their various stovepipes? I assume they must be doing something. ------ Mr. Frelinghuysen. Any further questions, Mr. Calvert? And now Mr. Womack has a question as well. Mr. Calvert. Just on your question on EMP. Are systems hard enough to withstand any attack? Admiral Syring. Yes, sir. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Mr. Womack. LEVELS OF RISK Mr. Womack. Since Mr. Kingston asked the question about STEM, as a proud graduate of Arkansas Tech and not hearing my school in the response, I somehow don't feel qualified to ask any more questions. Actually, I do have one, and I have asked this of others. You mentioned earlier in your testimony all of the requests that you get from the combatant commanders for stuff, for your capability, and I know you try to get to yes on every request because you want to, but I also know that you can't get to yes, because you are in a resource-constrained environment. So what is the acceptable level of risk that you are--that we have to be willing to take as a country when we are not in a position to respond to the combatant commanders with exactly what they would prefer to have in their AOR? Admiral Syring. The process that we use is through the strategic command and their prioritized capability list. They come up, and General Haney comes up with a list of requirements for across all of their combatant commanders, so they feed him what their missile requirements are. He says, this is my priority, prioritized capability list. I then send back what is called an ACL, which is an achieve capability list, meaning here are your priorities and here is what I am doing to meet them. And I would say in large part they are met. Now, there are limitations to the number of Aegis ships that are driven by the Navy, right, in terms of I just can't--I can't build a ship. I modernize the ship with BMD capability based on the Navy's, so there is limitation in that way, but I think we have done an excellent job in terms of structuring our program to meet the combatant commanders' requirements with very few exceptions. CONCLUSION Mr. Frelinghuysen. Thank you. As we conclude, I would just remind members we discussed some sensitive information which we should not--you know, not only us, but we are taking a look at perhaps some of our potential adversaries, we don't want to give anybody information that would be inappropriate. So please be careful about what you say. And, Admiral, thank you on behalf of the committee for the work that you do. Appreciate it. Admiral Syring. Thank you. Mr. Frelinghuysen. We stand adjourned. [Clerk's note. Questions submitted by Mr. Frelinghuysen and the answers thereto follow:] AEGIS System and SM-3 IB Missile Production Question. The fiscal year 2015 budget request procures three upgrades and five new installations of the Aegis system on ships, as well as 30 SM-3 Block IB missiles ($398 million), and advance procurement for future missiles ($69 million). There are concerns with the production ramp--up to 52 missiles were appropriated in fiscal year 2014, and last year's budget request assumed procurement of 72 missiles in fiscal year 2015. However, instead of 72 missiles in fiscal year 2015, the request only provides for 30 missiles and plans for 48 missiles in fiscal year 2016. This profile will likely cause instability in the contractor's production line and will increase unit costs. Admiral Syring, the request for the SM-3 Block IB missiles has been cut by 42 missiles, and is 22 fewer missiles than what was appropriated in fiscal year 2014. What effect does this have on the production line and the unit cost of each interceptor? Is this a smart path for procurement? Answer. The Missile Defense Agency (MDA) has procured a total of 77 Standard Missile-3 (SM-3) Block IB missiles within the last 10 months (29 missiles placed on contract in June 2013, 4 missiles placed on contract in August 2013, 8 missiles placed on contract in January 2014, and 36 missiles placed on contract in March 2014). We will place an additional 4 to 8 SM-3 Block IB missiles on contract by June 2014 for a potential total of 85 since June 2013. We anticipate awarding the 30 SM-3 Block IB missiles planned in the President's Budget (PB) 2015 by February 2015. With a total of 115 SM-3 Block IB missiles in a 21-month period, the production line has sufficient quantities to remain stable. The missile quantity reduction requested in PB 2015 is due partly to advance procurement funding of missile components with lead times that exceed the current 24-month SM-3 Block IB planned production schedule. This production schedule was established by the acquisition strategy during production of SM-3 Block IA missiles and initial production of SM-3 Block IB missiles. Some SM-3 Block IB components have lead times that exceed the 24-month production contract. These lead times range from 26 to 35 months from contract date to first all- up round delivery. The cost increase of $2M per round is due to a reduction in the size of order purchases and a reduction in production efficiencies within the SM-3 Block IB facilities. We are confident that our acquisition strategy is sound. We are reviewing the opportunity to enter into and execute a multi-year procurement contract for full rate production of SM-3 Block IB guided missiles starting in fiscal year 2016. A multi-year procurement strategy for the SM-3 Block IB missile will provide additional production line stability resulting in lower unit costs. Question. The budget request also includes advance procurement finding for SM-3 Block IBs with the goal to request authorization for multi-year production in next year's request. What cost savings do you hope to achieve with this plan? Answer: The Missile Defense Agency is compiling cost and pricing data to support an independent cost estimate by the Office of the Secretary of Defense, Cost Assessment and Program Evaluation for a fixed-price multi-year contract. We expect to complete this analysis to support the President's Budget 2016 submission. SM-3 Block IB multi- year procurement authority is being evaluated for cost savings and programmatic stability across a four-year period (fiscal years (FY) 2016 through FY 2019) for a range of 182-197 missiles. We expect a 10- 15 percent reduction in SM-3 Block IB unit cost through: Savings from economic order quantity buy Mitigation to missile components experiencing obsolescence, such as electronic components (circuit cards) Production efficiencies through better use of facilities and predicted work force requirements for the activities scheduled over the four-year period SM-3 BLOCK IIA Co-Production with Japan Question. The fiscal year 2015 budget request procures up to 17 SM- 3 Block IIA development missiles prior to beginning full production in the future. However, recent cost estimates from Japan suggest that the components they are supplying are higher than anticipated and unaffordable in the future. The SM-3 IIA is already estimated to cost almost $28 million per round. Admiral Syring, cost estimates for Japanese components of the SM-3 IIA missile are coming in higher than anticipated. What is the plan to keep the missile at an affordable price? If Japanese industry is unable to lower their costs, what is the plan to procure those components and how would that affect the procurement schedule? Answer. The SM-3 Block IIA research, development, test, and evaluation (RDT&E) contract for 17 missiles to support integration and test is not awarded yet. The independent government estimate for the 17 RDT&E missiles is $28.0 million per missile. The Missile Defense Agency (MDA) is working with the prime contractor (Raytheon Missile Systems) and the Government of Japan to refine the unit cost and start affordability measures before contract negotiations. An action item from the February 2014 United States--Japan Executive Steering Committee set a requirement for the Japan Ministry of Defense and the MDA to define SM-3 Block IIA production cost targets at section and missile assembly level. Further, they were to identify design options to achieve cost targets, develop an update cycle to implement design options, and define production insertion points. This effort will help the Japanese manufacturer identify design options achieving cost targets, identify cost reduction initiatives, and find opportunities to implement identified cost initiatives into the SM-3 Block IIA design. In another action item, the U.S. prime contractor (Raytheon Missile Systems) was tasked to analyze U.S. capabilities for addressing Japanese component affordability. This analysis will give us the chance to insert identified cost initiatives into the design. We are awaiting results of the above action items before determining affordability measures to take for production of the SM-3 Block IIA. Question: What is the acquisition objective for SM-3 IIA missiles, and how does that compare to the number that Japan is planning to procure? Answer: MDA is working with the Navy and Combatant Commanders to define a long-term SM-3 Block IIA procurement objective. Per the President's Budget 2015, 17 research, development, test and evaluation missiles and 44 production missiles will be procured between fiscal year (FY) 2017 and FY 2019. Japanese total procurement is planned for 16-32 missiles. Question: What is the procurement schedule for the SM-3 IIA missile, how will it be deployed, and what role does it have in the larger BMD system architecture? Answer: The SM-3 Block IIA research, development, test and evaluation contract for 17 missiles to support integration and testing is not awarded yet. To accommodate scheduled flight tests, these missiles will be delivered starting in the fourth quarter of fiscal year (FY) 2017 through the third quarter of FY 2019. Current test events defined by the Integrated Master Test Plan (IMTP) 14.1 require firing eight SM-3 Block IIA missiles. Spare SM-3 missiles will be available for each flight test. Spares will roll to the next test event if not used. SM-3 Block IIA rounds not used in flight tests will support the validation of contractor manufacturing readiness (MR). They will prove- out manufacturing processes, provide information on reliability, maintainability and supportability, and refine cost estimates. This MR data, along with the flight test data, is necessary to support the initial production decision (second quarter of FY 2017) and the final production decision (second quarter of FY 2019). We will evaluate all unexpended rounds for deployment to support European Phased Adaptive Approach Phase III (December 2018). The SM-3 Block IIA program is on track for deployment in December 2018 to enhance the Ballistic Missile Defense System intermediate range ballistic missile defense capability. The SM-3 Block IIA will include increased raid engagement capabilities and capability to defeat a larger, more sophisticated threat set. With the Aegis BMD 5.1 weapon system, the engage on remote capability will permit engaging targets at extended ranges based on track data from remote BMDS sensors. European Phased Adaptive Approach/AEGIS Ashore Question. However, last week Secretary of Defense Hagel and British Defense Minister Hammond agreed on the need to bolster missile defense systems in Eastern Europe. It was reported that they want to speed up the timeline for the placement of missile defense systems in Poland, which are scheduled to be operational in 2018 as part of Phase 3. Admiral Syring, are the EPAA and Aegis Ashore programs on schedule to meet the 2015 and 2018 timelines? Answer: Yes, the Aegis Ashore program is on schedule to meet the 2015 and 2018 timelines for EPAA Phase II and Phase III, respectively. Question: If the Aegis Ashore installation in Poland could be completed earlier, would it be outfitted with SM-3 IB missiles instead of SM-3 IIA missiles since the timeline for deploying the SM-3 IIA missiles is not until 2018? How would that affect the SM-3IIA program? Answer: The Aegis Ashore system will be able to launch SM-3 Block IA, IB and IIA missile variants. Should the decision be made to deploy Aegis Ashore Poland earlier than the current 2018 date, initial deployment of the system would not include capabilities in the Aegis BMD 5.1 weapon system (required to launch the IIA missile) or SM-3 Block IIA missile. This decision would not affect the SM-3 Block IIA program of record. Note: The Missile Defense Agency delivers all SM-3 missiles to Navy Fleet Forces Command (FFC) for allocation to combatant commanders. FFC determines the mix of variants deployed to ships and ashore based on ballistic missile defense requirements through the Global Force Management process. [Clerk's note.--End of questions submitted by Mr. Frelinghuysen.] Tuesday, April 8, 2014. U.S. AFRICA COMMAND WITNESS GENERAL DAVID M. RODRIGUEZ, USA, COMMANDER, U.S. AFRICA COMMAND Opening Statement of Chairman Frelinghuysen Mr. Frelinghuysen. I would like to recognize the ranking member Mr. Visclosky for a motion. Mr. Visclosky. Mr. Chairman, I move that the hearing today, which involves classified material, be held in executive session because of the classification of the material to be discussed. Mr. Frelinghuysen. So ordered. Thank you, Mr. Visclosky. Again, Members, what is discussed in here stays in this room. The United States Africa Command is one of six of the U.S. Department of Defense geographic combatant commands and is responsible to the Secretary of Defense for military relations with more than 53 African nations in its area of responsibility, the African Union and the African Regional Security Organization. While still based in Stuttgart, Germany, AFRICOM is responsible for all of the Department of Defense operations, exercises and security cooperation on the African Continent, its island nations and surrounding waters. AFRICOM began its initial operations in October of 2007 and officially became an independent command 1 year later. Although AFRICOM is relatively new, the command is very relevant, primarily due to the growing presence of al-Qa'ida and other terrorist organizations spreading across the continent. Much like Afghanistan prior to 2001, the African Continent has become the new haven for extremism. It has always been dealing with issues that relate to ethnic and religious hatred, and it is faced each and every day with incredible poverty among many of its people. With 6 of the world's 10 fastest-growing economies and a population of 1 billion that will double by 2050, Africa's importance to U.S. national interests will only increase. We are pleased to welcome General David Rodriguez, the Commander of AFRICOM. He has commanded at every level and most recently led the U.S. Army Forces Command, the Army's largest organization. Thank you, General, for testifying before the subcommittee today. May I also add that you are a distinguished graduate of West Point, and, most importantly, your wife comes from Red Bank, New Jersey. As we have discussed, the committee is concerned that certain African countries over ready-made havens for terrorist training and recruitment activity during a time in which our way of life, and may I say their way of life, has been threatened by those with radical beliefs. The area within your command, because of its vastness and unmonitored country borders, is a prime target for extremist activity. We are particularly alarmed about the proliferation of more sophisticated IEDs, which I am sure you will tell us more about, and which you are intimately familiar because of your many years in the Middle East. And may I say I have a personal interest, and I am sure Members of Congress do, about the growing role of China and Russia, not only China's economic role, but the whole issue of foreign military sales. I think that sort of is something--an area where we may concentrate this morning. We look forward to your testimony, and I would like to yield to my ranking member Mr. Visclosky for any comments he may wish to make. Mr. Visclosky. Mr. Chairman, thank you for holding this hearing. General, I appreciate your service and your testimony today, and I do look forward to it. Thank you very much. Mr. Frelinghuysen. Thank you. General Rodriguez, the floor is yours. Your formal statement will be put in the record, and I appreciate your being here. [Clerk's note.--The complete transcript of the hearing could not be printed due to the classification of the material discussed.] [The written statement of General Rodriguez follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Tuesday, July 15, 2014. OVERSEAS CONTINGENCY OPERATIONS FUNDING WITNESSES HON. ROBERT O. WORK, DEPUTY SECRETARY OF DEFENSE ADMIRAL JAMES A. WINNEFELD, VICE CHAIRMAN, JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF HON. MIKE McCORD, UNDER SECRETARY OF DEFENSE (COMPTROLLER) Mr. Frelinghuysen. Hearing will come to order. I would like to recognize Mr. Visclosky for a motion. Mr. Visclosky. Mr. Chairman, I move that those portions of the hearing today which fall as classified material be held in executive session because of the classification of the material to be discussed. Mr. Frelinghuysen. So ordered. Thank you, Mr. Visclosky. This morning the committee will hold a hearing on the recently announced overseas contingency operations budget request. I do have a statement, which, by unanimous consent, I would like to put on the record. [The information follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Mr. Frelinghuysen. We are doing that so we can have enough time to focus on the many questions that we should be directing to our witnesses. This morning I am very pleased to welcome Secretary Robert Work, who is the new Deputy Secretary of Defense, having been in his position for a bit over 2 months. So, also, Admiral James A. Winnefeld, Jr., the Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Admiral, thank you for being here. And Secretary Mike McCord succeeds our friend Bob Hale, who is an old hand here on the Hill, having had its roots in authorization, but with good relationships with appropriators. So we are very pleased to have all of you. I think it is the first time any of you have appeared before our committee. We welcome you here at this early hour. And may I thank all the Members for being here so promptly, especially chief ranking member Nita Lowey of New York. Secretary Work, I understand you will sort of be testifying for the group, if that would be all right. Mr. Work. Yes, sir. Mr. Frelinghuysen. But I am sure we will be hearing from all of you during the course of the morning. So if you would proceed, your formal statement would be put in the record. [The written statement of Secretary Work and Admiral Winnefeld follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] [Clerk's note.--The complete transcript of the hearing could not be printed due to the classification of the material discussed.] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT]